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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 07, 2013, 05:08:19 pm »
Eevee: Wow, through all the town/station case in the end you came out with a pretty null read from me. Your post about Jimm being not a good lynch for today but possible in the future was a pretty solid thought, and I believe you about not caring about the flavor. It is a very complicated universe making it hard for outsiders to understand. Upon reading your opinions on a group of people, I get a scummy vibe from you. Of the 8 people you analysed, which has no order to them, curious how you came up with this group, you found one scum read, galz which you gave no explanation for. You've often said these long post of analysis on people are towny and helpful I do not find yours to be.
So in the end I still have a scum read on you mainly stemming from your analysis post.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 07, 2013, 04:20:59 pm »
So I agree with robz while these long post are helpfull it's not doing anything for town if we just post them and don't analyse each others so putting eevee on hold as ist going to take me forever and going to look at liopoil's thoughts.

You mention you think jimm is less scummy than before, could you provide any more specific examples of why. ex. just what other people have said or did you think jimms defense of himself seemed town. I still believe he could be scum, although I agree he didn't mean to trick anyone I feel his argument was pushed in a similar way scum would push a case against someone, manipulation of post and drawing attention to it, few people will straight up deny a case has some grounds and in a 15 person game drawing attention to case = gaining support.

I agree with your thoughts on Dsell, if he is scum, excuse the saying raerae, he has some huge balls. Can a(hopefully multiple) veteran(s) weigh in on this, is it possible Dsell would make a move like this as scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 07, 2013, 01:49:36 pm »
Yuma, this one is less indepth as coming from phone. You have some solid analysis coming out early game. Many of your posts were about the raerae, ashersky debacle so no reads of of that. The only thing that gives me a read on you is that you felt I was scummy, said I made the scummiest post in the game and then as the arguing started you seem to have forgot your post about me. As did whomever you asked to comment who was scummier, me or eevee. That gives me a bit of a scum read as you tried to push a case on me and when noone picked it up you dropped it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 07, 2013, 01:18:27 pm »
Wouldn't theory talk help to find scum, as dsell said, town has no way of knowing the number of scum, scum would at least know they exist, as would sk. So in a way the most informed person about scum teams and sk would be the scum teams and sk. So town is the one who is losing out here, we know nothing and shoul benefit from talk of it. It can't benefit sk, as they already know the setup. The only thing is would knowledge of another scum team or sk benefit the scum teams more than town. This I don't know as I've never played a multi scum team game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 07, 2013, 12:33:11 pm »
To finish up my robz post, I see the difference between your blitz play style and in this one, askin follow up questions vs waiting for responses. Which seems pro town enough.

Phone posting for now, will be back for some more analysis at 3

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Going to /out for now if I have enough time when this is coming up I may join then. Love this game but am really stuck for time right now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 06, 2013, 06:53:29 pm »
Robz: Throughout the whole eevee thing robz took the lets wait for him to post and see if we can catch him approach. This is the exact thing he did in ZMIX , as an IC he offered very little of his own thoughts because he thought that would make it easy for scum to buddy. The plan obviously didn't work as is allowed mafia to run the discussion. So overall I think this is an anti ton strategy but that could come from robz being a sub par town player(said by him). His analysis on the cops seemed towny. Next comes more asking for other peoples analysis, and asking lurkers to post, neither town or scum read off this as it helps either one. Long time goes by and he mentions the fact that jimm and eevee could both be scum which is a definite possibility  although i'm inclined to thing eevee is town.

Have to go to dinner now will finish up thoughts on robz sometime soonish? and probably wont get to the next person for awhile.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 06, 2013, 03:06:25 pm »
Okay going to simply go through and see what I can get down about each person, a few other people are doing it and it seems to be very helpful.

Ashersky: I noticed you said you had a big scum read on eevee before jimm ever made his case. Then you confirmed by voting just after jimm's argument was made. Many people said you were posting scum reads on people while providing no evidence, I tend to agree and was looking for where you remedied this and it is nowhere to be found. Next your bickering with raerae which seemed very scummy on both your parts though what peeked my interest was jimm's dismissal of the argument explaining it wasn't pro town. While I agree this is not a pro town argument, if you in fact are scum, this is also not a very pro scum argument. You your self pointed out a time in which you coached raerae, although I don't think you did, I DO think jimm coached you. Much later, you've come back to attacking raerae but with a better case, this is either still scum!ash trying to force a mislynch on raerae, or town!ash still thinking raerae is scum and wants to make his case. I'm not going to comment on the name calling argument because I believe this was an emotional argument and could have come from town or scum.

Okay I plan to finish this but it takes a loong time as I'm actually using the all page function and ctr/find'ing all the post by that player. I have to go do some things for school, it's my second day back so I won't be available till later in the day for the rest of the week.

I'm gonna leave this with  a Vote: Ashersky I get a good feel like hes scum and still wary about Jimm because of his interaction.

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when dsell's game comes to an end expect a /in from me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 08:48:08 pm »
Yuma, I did not turn on the eevee wagon as soon as I saw it going nowhere, I still believe eevee is somewhat scummy, I simply felt like jimm forced his case in a way I did not like. Forcing a case seems like a scum trait to me.

As far as raerae goes she seems exactly like town raerae from ZMIX, there is a reason we got town to mislynch her D1, she seems scummy in her normal play. While I agree she could replicate that as scum, I don't think its a good argument against her.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 02:43:11 pm »
But I'm really not sold that Jimmm was trying to trick people.  I think he was just a little careless, which is not something I expect of Jimmmm, who's usually a very solid rational person.  So I have a very slight scumread from this, that increased to slight because of how hard it seemed he was pushing it.  But I'm not at all close to wanting to vote for him yet.

Let me be clear I'm also not ready to vote for him yet, I'm not ready to vote for anyone yet.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 01:59:58 pm »
Jimm is now my top scum read, with the amount of analysis he has had I read him as a very smart player who know what hes doing.
But don't the two comments from eevee say, he could have had time to respond and then say even if I got here before joth. So did he have time to respond and didn't or did joth respond before eevee had a chance to.
No, Eevee's first statement with 'could' is a hypothetical.  He's saying, all in one phrase, "it could have been worse, I could have had time to respond."

He's indicating that this possibility might have happened, but it didn't.  So he's saying that he didn't have time to respond before Joth.  People have been focusing on the second part of the statement, and leaving off the "it could have been worse".  If you don't clip the statement, there is no contradiction.

Jimm taking this out of context is ridiculous, I guess its my mistake for not going over it enough myself, but really I had strong scum feeling toward someone because of an out of context exaggeration. This just seems like a very anti town play, there is no reason for town!jimm to start a scumhunt by tricking people.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 01:25:52 pm »
extended for clarity
Kind of meh Dsell became almost obvtown because of something like this, but could be worse - I could have had time to answer and clear myself before Joth stepped in (well handled btw).

Fwiw, even if I got here before Joth, I wouldnt have answered because it would have felt like a very unfair way to gain a lot of town cred.

These statements seem to be a contradiction.
I finally found this when you asked again what people thought about your case.  I see no contradiction.  Eevee thinks that answering this flavor-question would have been an unfair way to gain towncred.  This matches his sentiment that he thinks it's not very fair to the game setup that Dsell has gained towncred for having asked this question; but he's saying that an even more unfair event COULD have occurred, if he HAD answered. 

I disagree with this last bit in that even if he had answered correctly, I'm not sure I would have cleared him fully.  As joth said, town/station could have been clarified in a scum QT.

But don't the two comments from eevee say, he could have had time to respond and then say even if I got here before joth. So did he have time to respond and didn't or did joth respond before eevee had a chance to.

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fuzzy is to good, not only does it match his name, it somehow fits his personality perfectly.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 12:03:58 pm »
So I don't find yuma's argument against jimm's very strong. He is saying that scum!eevee(can someone explain why we use the exlaimation point thing) gets caught looking like scum and doesn't know what to do. Then he later has time to think of what he would do and post that. Nowhere does jim say eevee is too preocupied with himself thinking about himself.

A poor defense of another player makes me think scum team, I know thinking scum teams in a game this huge is a terrible idea but I thought of it so I'm saying it.

In summary still feel scummy about eevee, feel slightly scummy about yuma.

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Ha ha. We can call you Steevee. Ha ha.

Someone has to have thought of this already but we could just call you mmmmm

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 11:22:21 am »
To yuma, I was making a jokae albeit a bad one about liopoil, I don't actually have a scum read on him. For that matter I don't have a town read on him either.

Jimm, after scratching my head over the eevee thing your latest post has finally made me understand it quite well. Upon understanding eevee does seem scummy, still not voting for him however just can't get out of blitz mode and I'm not thaat confident in anyone's scumminess.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 01:07:40 am »
vote: eevee

woah what happened to taking our time?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 05, 2013, 12:35:51 am »
Okay first off sorry for not being here. I was unaware that when the thread moved I needed to post in it to be updated when people posted. Secondly, its a lot harder to get reads on people when you don't already know there alignment. I read through everything and dunno, get a slight scum vibe from eevee and liopoil. To explain eevee reminds me of how he played in the last blits game, and liopoil, well i think I'm just suspicious of him because hes new and when I was new I was scum.

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bahahahahaha

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It wasn't 100% scum ploy, I was sincere I want you all to like me, I just figured winning was the best way to do that.

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mcmc, you should really sign up for that game.

Your 3 min late :)

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just realized ZMX and MXX wont start for awhile, I can do two games at once

/in

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thank you all for an amazing introduction to this game I had soo much fun :)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: ZMIX - Veterans Go Flavorless (Day 2 underway)
« on: January 04, 2013, 11:42:17 am »
vote: grujah

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