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Jim feel free to take my spot, I don't need to be in a newbie game and it will put me at 4 games at once :( don't wanna lurk hard and not give the newbies a good game

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this has had no posts for 2 days...

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Also a few things I can clear up, if you new don't be scarred to join a vet game just only join one at a time. Everyone here is really nice and respectful of you being new.(*pssssst* they wont ever suspect your mafia and you'll win your first game flawlessly even though you got carried by your amazing scummates)

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Yea I don't want to confirm my in till I know when its going to start I only want to be playing two games at once possibly 3 and I sort of want to save those spots for super fun/bigger games. Actually screw it /in if im in a whole ton ill just be more newbie and lurk in this game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 13, 2013, 12:56:18 pm »
Jim there is a significant difference between me picking apart your case on shraeye and you picking apart shraeye's case on cuzz. The difference is me picking apart your case on shraeye was because I believe you to be scum and it is not in response to anything you said to me. You picking apart shraeye's case on cuzz is your defense for shraeye making a case against you. I'm not telling you not to scumhunt I'm saying if you are town you should be able to defend yourself by picking apart the case made against you not by making a case on the person making the case against you.

I didn't just gloss over those posts, they were very long with many quote layers and I couldn't figure out how to quote from them directly, that is the reason for me simply referencing the posts.

Lastly, post 841 is what I expected to see in place of posts 832, this is a solid defense of yourself. Had these two post reversed in order my vote would not be on you right now, but as it is I still find you scummy for what I have said and think you have made a solid defense due to all D1 cases being defensible in some way or another. My issue is this defense has come too late. The way you have pushed cases  and defended yourself thus far I find a scummy way to go about things.

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Ahhhh /in let the fates decide whether I have the time to play or not.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 12, 2013, 02:30:33 pm »
So I've gone through and re read the people I mentioned and during this re read, I've actually come to an interesting conclusion.

First off I went through and read the whole cuzz ordeal. I do find cuzz reacted overly defensive and I did find his deflection scummy. The thing is this is only a feeling and an opinion not concrete evidence. I won't cast my vote for him as of now because my only reasons are these. I understand an overly defensive response seems scummy, but I can totally understand flustered town responding the same way. As far as the deflection goes that was veery scummy but think about this. Is anyone talking about Lall as a reason to lynch glooble anymore, everyone dropped it once glooble pointed out cuzz was the first to bring it up. Just because it was a scummy deflection doesn't make the Lall case for glooble any less strong. My read through of cuzz has brought me too the conlcusion that hes scummy but i find nothing concrete enough for a vote, and I still see glooble as a viable lynch, nothing he has posted since his return has been something I wouldn't see scum doing.

Next my read through of Robz. I mainly did this because his outburst at cuzz for responding before I did was a bit jarring. At first I found this to be scummy, if the argument is there for why I'm not scum I don't see how cuzz bringing it up is really that terrible. But then I thought back to ZMIX, this tactic of baiting people into a scumslip is what he did there as well just in a different way. I find this to be town!robz main scumhunting tactic and although I find it a very poor one, it is very town!robz.

After rereading theorel, still nothing jumps out as scummy or towny, very much a null read to me.

Upon rereading shraeye I've found I support him very strongly for his opinion on Jimm. Looking at posts 520, 832, and 833. First off as far as overly defensive responses I feel Jimm's is just that. Also I find it very scummy that Jim says shraeye just summarized the case on jim and tried to make it seem as scummy as possible. This is exactly what Jim has been doing all game and why I have found him scummy in the past. Next I don't agree with Jim's defense at all. Look at the opening post of 832, Jim says shraeye is focusing too much on the case made against him and not on what hes actually said. Then he says we should look at things closer as theorel and dsell have. He follows this by quoting how theorel and dsell "understand" where hes coming from. Where do dsell and theorel look at things closer? Simply because they support you they have a better "understanding" of the whole case? I think shraeye has provided much support for how you have been acting scummy all game and points to other people who have made cases against you as well. This looks like a much closer look into you then simply understanding how you came to the conclusion you did. Jim also seems to attack shraeye for attacking cuzz which I don't find helpfull to town at all. All Jim is doing there is making shraeye look less credible in other arguments to make the argument he makes against Jim less credible. Defend yourself, don't attack the person attacking you. Vote: Jimm

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Forum Games / Re: Mafia XX - Masons and Monks (open for signups)
« on: January 11, 2013, 11:03:41 pm »
I completely agree cops are only usefull with very limited abilities making the player make very important decisions on who to investigate

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 11, 2013, 09:31:28 pm »
I honestly feel like a lynch on glooble is something I would be okay with but personally I would like to hear more from him before hand.

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unvote unanimous decision on jotheonah playing like town!joth seems like the easiest thing in the world to copy as scum but would be hard to keep up without slipping
up eventually, I've got my eye on you.

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Can veterans weigh in? Is jotheonah the type of town player to push this hard on someone with this little of a case? Would scum jotheonah do this and not worry about it looking scummy?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 11, 2013, 06:01:10 pm »
So now that the lall thing is over? Ill try and reread this whole cuzz deal I had honesty been tunneling on Jimm pretty hard. I feel like I've hit that point, this game has twice as many pages as the last game I was in altogether. I will try to get a good read on a few people cuzz, theorel, robz, shraeye. As I feel I haven't looked at them close enough or they have been a topic of discussion recently. I don't know if I will get to this today or tomorow but ill be able to respond/comment on anything going on tonight.

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vote: jotheonah the only time I've seen a case pushed so had was me on raerae in ZMIX

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 11, 2013, 03:11:59 pm »
I defer to my elders as far as this goes, my only game so far has been a blitz game and mislynching was terrible but I understand with this many people it won't kill us to mislynch if it allows us to find scum on D2.

Is this in relation to Glooble? What makes you think that "with this many people it won't kill us to mislynch" is applicable here? It sounds like in your above statement you know already that he will be a mislynch.

Hopefully an explanation can still be helpful, I meant that aside from lack of posting glooble has done nothing that I find scummy, in the one other game I have played this alone would not have been enough to lynch someone, or at least I wouldn't have been okay with it as town. Many people seemed to agree that a lynch on glooble based on lurking is legitimate. While this was surprising at first, cuzz's post at 760 made sense to me as well as other comments from my "elders". I don't know it's going to be a mislynch but statistically it's more likely.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 11, 2013, 01:52:25 pm »
Also, it makes sense, lurking that hard is very anti town, scum or not mislynching someone who has been helpfull in making cases and throwing out ideas would be much worse.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 11, 2013, 01:47:27 pm »
I defer to my elders as far as this goes, my only game so far has been a blitz game and mislynching was terrible but I understand with this many people it won't kill us to mislynch if it allows us to find scum on D2.

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I don't currently have any beliefs about your alignment, I'm still not sure what to make of it.  I wasn't expecting you to panic, but I was expecting you to react in some way.  There's overreacting to suspicion, which often feels scummy. there's indignance, there's self-pity, there's a lot of emotions somebody might show over being voted to L-3 with no apparent reason.  You, however, reacted barely at all, and really were as calm as possible.  It struck me as one of the things I should take away from this wagon.

Weeks from now when someone asks, what was mcmcsalots town meta again, this will be the post they refer too.

So this post was made quite jokingly, and when Jimm jumped on it I tried to explain that I wasn't serious about it but on a side note I do think I'm a calm player. Though I agree the posts were weird, I was trying to make jokes as the game was moving slowly, I'm not very good at it though.

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So you're saying you're/you expect to be more reactive/defensive when you're scum?

Not really, I don't think you can really announce your own town meta, let alone before completing more than one game. I think I'm a calm player overall regardless of alignment.

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I don't currently have any beliefs about your alignment, I'm still not sure what to make of it.  I wasn't expecting you to panic, but I was expecting you to react in some way.  There's overreacting to suspicion, which often feels scummy. there's indignance, there's self-pity, there's a lot of emotions somebody might show over being voted to L-3 with no apparent reason.  You, however, reacted barely at all, and really were as calm as possible.  It struck me as one of the things I should take away from this wagon.

Weeks from now when someone asks, what was mcmcsalots town meta again, this will be the post they refer too.

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yup my reason was pretty much just to stir things up and see what came out.

Conclusions:
Jimmmm is uncomfortable with early L-2 wagon
Verrrry little discussion or analysis of the wagon
mcmcsalot (momsaloon) very calm under L-3 pressure

The last two points actually surprise me a lot.  Normally when wagons like this shoot up, we get somebody like Eevee saying "oh man that was fast" and a bunch of people start talking about it.  I'm trying to figure out if there is something I can take away from this, or if that's just indication that people aren't engaged with this game quite yet.

I do think its because people aren't engaged in this game. There have been other ideas that haven't been commented on as well which is why I believe this. Also why does the last part surprise you, if you believe I'm not mafia why would you expect me to panic at L-3, its early D1 and there has been soo little discussion.

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I could support a mass flavour claim, just to see how Galz reacts. Just kidding Galz, don't hurt me!

[Dsell]Modkilled[/Dsell]

What?!?

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Shraeye and Jimm explained a reason for voting, wagons being usefull and all. Robz vote for me was strange, I was clearly making a joke about the smiley seeing as insom made one, is Robz vote on me rvs? Also the panic wasn't really panic it was confusion on coming out of rvs in that way. Still my third game the whole rvs phase and subsequent transition has happened a bit smother in the other games iv'e been in. I think i'm intelligent enough to not have reacted that way if I was mafia. Ash's vote seemed to be there just to join the wagon, though joining a wagon this early isn't really scummy...

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so how do we get these games going??? There's a wagon on me lets have people give reasons stir up some drama

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Could someone's power help to protect the package some how? We all have some power with limited uses right, I'm assuming getting the package gives you more supplies and maybe a one shot cop power? Also, if you investigate the person with the package you learn what they have learned possibly town could announce they have the package and everyone could investigate them and all have the knowledge? Actually I think I support keeping the package hidden unless we can guarantee town gets it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 10, 2013, 08:14:09 am »
Mcmc, you seem to indicate you have played Mafia elsewhere. How much have you played? Galz, Dsell, do you think if he's played a lot IRL that would make the case less compelling?

I have played many times at college with my brother starting 5 years ago. Since then I have loved the game hosting it at parties of my own through high school and into my college career. Also once my brother told me about the forums and I decided to sign up, while waiting I also set up a Facebook group to begin playing with them online, I have hosted 2 games in that forum, not to mention discussing theory for a long time with my brother this past break as I knew I would be playing with more advanced players then I am use to.

I think with mcmc it's not just that he should have no idea what's going on. I think generally as a new Townie you try to get yourself into the game by looking very closely at posts and trying to see what you can make of them. Saying things like "His last few posts have been more Towny" etc does not strike me as someone trying to get into the game, it strikes me as someone trying to make sure they are seen to have an opinion.
I think with mcmc it's not just that he should have no idea what's going on. I think generally as a new Townie you try to get yourself into the game by looking very closely at posts and trying to see what you can make of them. Saying things like "His last few posts have been more Towny" etc does not strike me as someone trying to get into the game, it strikes me as someone trying to make sure they are seen to have an opinion.
I think with mcmc it's not just that he should have no idea what's going on. I think generally as a new Townie you try to get yourself into the game by looking very closely at posts and trying to see what you can make of them. Saying things like "His last few posts have been more Towny" etc does not strike me as someone trying to get into the game, it strikes me as someone trying to make sure they are seen to have an opinion.

I don't remember who it was who said it but multiple people agreed although your origional case on eevee was poor it "served its purpose". I am not making sure I am seen to have an opinion I am making sure I have an opinion and I express that however poorly it may be at times(although I'm inclined to think I have expressed myself fairly well) as I cannot trust anyone I find it hard to support other people's cases as it could be mafia. So to be most helpfull to town I feel I should express my opinions and try to make cases as best I can and hope that if I'm right, town will support me and if I'm wrong, town will disagree with me.

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