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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 08, 2020, 04:03:48 pm »
Didds reread yourself this game...you have roughly 5 posts that are talking about an actual read or commentary on the game state that doesnít have to do with yourself.

I donít want you to feel attached or feel like we are piling on but you just got exhiled, we think you are scum if you are not convince us otherwise by putting in the effort to making cases, keep defending yourself, look for anything to do to help town. I know you thought scola was scum and you think yuma is scum. Other than that I have no clue what your reads are and havenít seen you scumhunting, just defending yourself and commenting on how this game feels more duderific and hostile.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 08, 2020, 01:50:32 pm »
I think didds perception of the game is much more likely to come from scum.
y tho?

Scum tends to read more accusations in posts then town because they are primarily concerned with not getting exhiled. It is true didds has been under a decent amount of scrutiny but to categorize the whole game that way feels like she isnít seeing past the interactions she specifically is having with people which suggest scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 08, 2020, 01:39:46 pm »
You know what I can give you the actual answer.

We are.

Come and get us.


But also it's a bad question as it brings up D1 things when people compared you to a dead townie and you're still taking that grudge. Forget about it. It makes you town.

Also implying I can't defend Didds is awful.


I have a billion answers to that question I really hate the implication in it.

The more I read this, the more awesome I think it is. It rather perfectly captures the ethos of this game which should now be known as: Come At Me, Bro mafia.

I donít feel like that is the ethos of this game at all.

Vote: didds
No, it kinda is how Didds say it be.  But this is a super weird difference-of-opinion to turn into a vote.  You think Didds is scummy because she doesn't characterize the game the way you do....?

I have not felt like this game is a guns out bring it on come at me bro discourse around all. In fact I have found it to be more mellow with lots of cooperation, people are consolidating so that we donít end the day with a quick exhume, I have seen people change their minds. I think didds perception of the game is much more likely to come from scum. Also Yuma has been increasingly townie and he has consistently pushed didds. Remember even scum!yuma doesnít know scola was town so regardless of his alignment his read on the game has been right so far. So Iím going with that plus my read that didds reactions to the game are colored by being scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 08, 2020, 09:51:39 am »
You know what I can give you the actual answer.

We are.

Come and get us.


But also it's a bad question as it brings up D1 things when people compared you to a dead townie and you're still taking that grudge. Forget about it. It makes you town.

Also implying I can't defend Didds is awful.


I have a billion answers to that question I really hate the implication in it.

The more I read this, the more awesome I think it is. It rather perfectly captures the ethos of this game which should now be known as: Come At Me, Bro mafia.

I donít feel like that is the ethos of this game at all.

Vote: didds

Then you have been playing in a way different game than I have

Exactly my thought

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 08, 2020, 09:04:35 am »
You know what I can give you the actual answer.

We are.

Come and get us.


But also it's a bad question as it brings up D1 things when people compared you to a dead townie and you're still taking that grudge. Forget about it. It makes you town.

Also implying I can't defend Didds is awful.


I have a billion answers to that question I really hate the implication in it.

The more I read this, the more awesome I think it is. It rather perfectly captures the ethos of this game which should now be known as: Come At Me, Bro mafia.

I donít feel like that is the ethos of this game at all.

Vote: didds

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 07, 2020, 03:33:28 pm »
Follow-up.  Why did you call Swowl's analysis a "reread"?

Shraeye, is the implication here that Swowl and Didds are partners, Swowl said something in the  night QT about planning to do a reread, and then Didds scumslipped by using that term even though Swowl hadn't?
That was the angle I wanted to hear Didds elaborate on.

so all of this inaccurate - but more funny is how the two of you are acting wayyyy more partnery/leady in the accusation of calling someone else partnery.

Yea I donít see the didds/swowl connection here, but I also donít think it is scummy of shraeye and joth to be discussing it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 07, 2020, 11:49:54 am »
Iím caught up. Having a hard time parsing much together because we got 3 town flips that are likely townies who were being scumread by both town and scum.

Were they being scumread by town? I was townreading mail-mi and I feel like people were seeing town!Robz, although that's kinda hard due to how he plays scum.


Interesting looking back other than my initial vote for mail-mi 2.7 is the only other person who voted mail-mi all day. Robz had a few votes but all were pretty much surrounding his self vote and he was getting townreads towards the end of the day. Maybe scum was doctor hunting then? They were both pro doctor claim which feel like if anything it would point to not being the doctor but wifom for sure.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 07, 2020, 09:24:30 am »
Hey, game is real slow right now. I will go back through again tonight or tomorrow, specifically looking at ADK again as well as what our exiled friends had to say

Did you get anything from this?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 07, 2020, 09:24:08 am »
Iím caught up. Having a hard time parsing much together because we got 3 town flips that are likely townies who were being scumread by both town and scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 2)
« on: July 05, 2020, 11:31:00 pm »
Holiday weekend is over, will catch up during lunch break tomorrow.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 01, 2020, 08:10:20 am »
Just have to say, that was a fun read catching up. You all are so funny

Anything more specific to say?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 01, 2020, 08:09:51 am »
So is mcmc scumreading scola or what?

I feel like Robz has to be scum this game. Would he try this hard D1 as town? But I also feel like scum doesn't want to try hard in this setup anyway.

I am scum reading scola but I have recognized what I think to be newbie scum. He brought up that heís new here and I havenít played with him much so he could be newbie town and if that is the case I want to help him ďshow his workĒ so to speak so I can better understand if he is scummy or towny.

I would expect robz to be trying hard as either alignment this game, he has to have been excited for it he let me know he was playing and we havenít gotten to do much together In the last few months. His higher post count actually makes me lean pretty towny on him for the day as scum robz would be ďhelpingĒ in less words. Tone robz helps by getting his thoughts out in the open.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 11:22:46 pm »
Main take aways from the post count is that oh my galz is literally nonexsistant. He did say he was going to reread and content would follow but that should have been yesterday. Shraeye voting Galz is even scummier that it originally seemed because shraeye is also the next least posting player by a significant margin.

I will not vote for Mix or Yuma today.

other than that nothing huge, () are total count minus pre game start posts. Future vote counts can take total posts less the same number.

Also if everyone could put a shuffle it username it helps ctrl+f your post total, otherwise I have to use the number of posts you have made which I think can change if you go and make a thread.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 11:14:26 pm »
Post Count 1.0, mid day 1


53 (55-2): MiX
42 (44-2): yuma

36 (37-1): mcmcsalot
36 (39-3): Robz888
32 (37-5): WestCoastDidds
30 (32-2): jotheonah
29 (31-3): mail-mi
29 (30-1): A Drowned Kernel

21 (22-1): scolapasta
19 (20-2): Swowl
18 (20-2): 2.71828.....
13 (14-1): shraeye

4 (7-3): Galzria

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 10:58:30 pm »
I don't agree with the ADK wagon (though of course pondered voting that way for self preservation). And I am worried about starting a new wagon, because I agree we don't want to wait until last minute to consolidate. So I haven't put a vote in.

But I've been told new wagons are not antitown (do you agree), so if that's the case, Ill throw a vote in, after all:

vote: mcmcsalot

I do agree with you that voting a lurker isn't very practical right now.

Go back and reread the ADK wagon and bring why specifically you don't like it. Is it a weak reasoned wagon? Are the players pushing the wagon scummy? Does it look coordinated? Are there players ignoring the wagon entirely? If you feel a way about the wagon hit it from every angle to figure out why you feel that way and then see where that leads you.

New wagons are not anti town. Wagons that are extremely unlikely to go anywhere and serve only to distract from town discussing the main wagons are anti town. If you want to start a new wagon because you find something that you think is scummy and you think noone else has said anything about it that is pro town all the way.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 10:52:16 pm »
This game is strange, because there are the two small teams, I feel like the patterns we are looking for are different.  I'm really not interested in the standard "A said something weird so they're scum".  ADK and scola both seem to be on the line for fake scumhunting, well nobody's incentivized to do that, so it's hardly a scumtepl here.  Neither exile feels wrong or awesome though.

I feel like our best bet is to pivot (PIVOT!!) to a totally different exile.  Rather than looking for who's defending who (which is gonna be so much more fruitful in standard 3-scum setup), we should look for who's playing it safest. 

Off the top of my head that's Galz, e, mail-mi.

Vote: Galz

I know some of that is not-aroundedness. But playing it safe isn't just a synonym for low post count.  Once I'm at a compy imma check my instincts

Scola isnít on the line for fake scum hunting itís more specifically voting with out a strong reason, explaining the vote later when pressed with an explaination that doesnít hold up logically with what happened at the time. (Check my prior post about the setup discussion and mail-mi, ADK, myself, joth and robz reactions with scola picking robz our of that). Heís is also being accused of acting like newbie overly sheepish, overly qualifying scum, many of his posts have had unnecessary jokey tone or greetings and he has bent quietly to the votes and cases against him.

I get that scum has more insentive to truly scumhunt and so ďpoor reasoningĒ and fake scum huntingĒ are less than ideal cases in this setup but they are much better than a total lurker exile which is essentially what a galz vote is for.

And yet this is your first game with me. That jokey tome or greeting is very normal for me D1. Look at any of my past, ended games.

my vote did have a reason. Not strong, because, well, D1. I don't agree with my explanation not holding up with any logic, though I think people wondering why I picked Robz over the other doctor reveal early suggesters is sensible. But I also din't think it was illogical.

I'm not sure what you mean by overly sheepish and overly qualifying scum. I also think it's interesting that I could in theory be all these scum newbie things, but there's no allowance there for just general town newbie. (I have only played a handful of games on here, two of which I was gone by D2).

I don't agree with the ADK wagon (though of course pondered voting that way for self preservation). And I am worried about starting a new wagon, because I agree we don't want to wait until last minute to consolidate. So I haven't put a vote in.

But I've been told new wagons are not antitown (do you agree), so if that's the case, Ill throw a vote in, after all:

vote: mcmcsalot

I do agree with you that voting a lurker isn't very practical right now.

So it looks like we agree the vote was weak and your explanation was lacking the really solid logic of why specifically robz over others.

I do think it could be general newness as well but the fact that it is tied to you making a vote on someone leans new scum. New town is likely to hold on to their thought if its not strong or clear, new scum feels more compelled to contribute and thus might make a weaker less logically explainable vote.



Overly sheepish and qualifying behavior below. This could very well be how you talk, I have not played with you before but it think scum more often adds words that are unneeded because they sound better when reread:
Whew(qualifier), and my vote wasn't strictly rvs(sheepish, is it or isn't it and if its both maybe elaborate as more info comes about)

Ha, pretty sure(not strong opinion)

This is outside of game discussion and then tagged with the fact that you still like your robz vote but might consider didds or mix.(might consider indicates not a strong read on any of the players you have decided to talk about which is weird for town to do because if you only might consider why even mention it.)

Here you get voted for being one of the players who was saying you would vote for didds without actually voting for her and you give your reason then triple down on liking your robz vote which you have gone on to say is weak and was slightly rvs to start.

You then go back and reread at my pressure for a reason for your vote and it prompts you to unvote. So why during the three times were you still so confident that you needed to reitorate you still like the robz vote to then just go ah yea it's not a great vote. Obviously if you are town and just made a bad vote it sucks to then get more scumread for backing off but its that the pattern is not one of oh yea that vote was bad its an inbetween world where you think the vote was okay, its just day one, you reitorate a bunchm then you decide nevermind its bad. It seems like scum bending to pressure after having made a vote and read that didn't hold up.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 10:18:35 pm »
Putting a partner at the top of a "want to lunch" list is probably an important component of a scum strategy. Honestly, I think the best reason not to do it would be it's sort of expected from scum anyway.

This is a fundamentally different setup than normal mafia.

Note to self: don't talk about setup.

Why not talk about setup?

(ongoing game)

Just because I'm slow, you mean because there's a different ongoing game with two scum teams? I mean, its setup is different, but I guess generally the same, so if that's it I understand your point.

But I guess it feels weird to me, because talking about setup can be useful, maybe? So in that way, that game is affecting this game.

But maybe I'm just misunderstanding it all.

I don't know the specifics of whats going on so its safe to say typically if people say ongoing game it has to do with the fact that a player could be modding or dead or a scum partner or a power role, or a different alignment in another game that is currently ongoing and so they may have some thoughts or knowledge that they learned in that game that they cannot share in this game as it indirectly would be talking about things going on in an ongoing game.


On the other hand the general reason talking about the setup is dangerous is the innate fact that town has less information than scum and town is more likely to tip off scum when discussing the setup. In this game taking hard stances on being pro claim or anti claim could tip scum off to which players are and are not likely the doctor.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 10:09:28 pm »
But more importantly:
Iím also very comfortable with both the ADK and scola lynches. I feel adkís early posts felt like scum trying to misrepresent and push players in a scummy way, scola felt like newbie scum with as joth said pretty sheepish behavior.

Since then ADK has leveled off in scummy behavior and some the reactions both positively and negatively toward the scola wagon have enhanced my scum read (other townreads of mine feel similarly+Yumaís strange partnery defense)
the points about ADK and scola. Like take a stand. Or just float along and go with it without actually landing somewhere.

OK. Break it down for me. What is "strange" "partnery" and "defense" about what I have said about scola?

vote: mcmc

Its this post
If anyone is getting misrepresented here it is Scola. No vote from me there.

and
Yuma, I can actually see the case, however mistaken, against me.

Why are you so sure I'm town?
I am not. But I will speak up against cases that originate from deceit or falsehood.

You defended scola saying he was being misrepresented and that you would't vote for him. It was strange because it's not like anyone was specifically asking you about scola and you werent directly responding to someone's point, it came as a bit of a suprise. It was partnery because you didn't explaining why he was being misrepresented and when asked by scola himself you were clear you aren't sure hes town just that you had to speak up. It came across less like "hey lets be careful I think scola is town for X and Y" and more "I must stop this, back off and don't call scola scummy".

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 09:41:13 pm »
Putting a partner at the top of a "want to lunch" list is probably an important component of a scum strategy. Honestly, I think the best reason not to do it would be it's sort of expected from scum anyway.

This is a fundamentally different setup than normal mafia.

Note to self: don't talk about setup.

I realize it's different setup, but I don't see how this general principle is different here.

The idea is it's even riskier to lose a teammate because there are only 2 of you and you can die at night making it extremely important for partners not to bus eachother. Scum is much more likely to throw townreads their partner's way so as to increase the overall town view of them.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 09:22:55 pm »
Scum are yuma, ADK, scola, and mcmc. What a quick, easy game!

Which one of those do you think is my partner?

Not sure yet. Give me a break, I found all four scum already...

Two of those people I built cases on and are at the top of my want to lunch list, the other one had multiple people including you and me call out a potential partner reaction so while Iím super glad we agree on who is scum Iím curious where you think I fit in.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 09:19:09 pm »
Scum are yuma, ADK, scola, and mcmc. What a quick, easy game!

Which one of those do you think is my partner?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 09:17:07 pm »
This game is strange, because there are the two small teams, I feel like the patterns we are looking for are different.  I'm really not interested in the standard "A said something weird so they're scum".  ADK and scola both seem to be on the line for fake scumhunting, well nobody's incentivized to do that, so it's hardly a scumtepl here.  Neither exile feels wrong or awesome though.

I feel like our best bet is to pivot (PIVOT!!) to a totally different exile.  Rather than looking for who's defending who (which is gonna be so much more fruitful in standard 3-scum setup), we should look for who's playing it safest. 

Off the top of my head that's Galz, e, mail-mi.

Vote: Galz

I know some of that is not-aroundedness. But playing it safe isn't just a synonym for low post count.  Once I'm at a compy imma check my instincts

Scola isnít on the line for fake scum hunting itís more specifically voting with out a strong reason, explaining the vote later when pressed with an explaination that doesnít hold up logically with what happened at the time. (Check my prior post about the setup discussion and mail-mi, ADK, myself, joth and robz reactions with scola picking robz our of that). Heís is also being accused of acting like newbie overly sheepish, overly qualifying scum, many of his posts have had unnecessary jokey tone or greetings and he has bent quietly to the votes and cases against him.

I get that scum has more insentive to truly scumhunt and so ďpoor reasoningĒ and fake scum huntingĒ are less than ideal cases in this setup but they are much better than a total lurker exile which is essentially what a galz vote is for.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 05:24:11 pm »
In a normal game I would be like "oh no mcmc is a scumread but I also agree with his reads" but this is multiball so I feel fine about it.

What are you scumreading me for?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 05:14:13 pm »
Well, I know I've been wrong before...but joth's town.

He's not scared of anything. That readlist is pure parroting what has been said publicly.

PPE: And I also forgot you were in the game! Are you scum mcmc?

I think joths readlist is more summary than parroting but agree with the townread and no I am not scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M128: Dragonborn Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2020, 05:12:37 pm »
Iím also very comfortable with both the ADK and scola lynches. I feel adkís early posts felt like scum trying to misrepresent and push players in a scummy way, scola felt like newbie scum with as joth said pretty sheepish behavior.

Since then ADK has leveled off in scummy behavior and some the reactions both positively and negatively toward the scola wagon have enhanced my scum read (other townreads of mine feel similarly+Yumaís strange partnery defense)


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