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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 02, 2012, 10:28:40 am »

there are just so many investigative or partially investigative roles being thrown out there.

1. bottle of wine
2. YN's card-reading ability
3. O's one-shot coppage
4. eevee's semi-naive alignment coppage
5. cuzzclaim
6. jothclaim (? since joth is keeping the nature of his knowledge ambiguous, which is fine, given how much else is out there)
7. possibility of cayvie = watcher (?? since cayvie didn't confirm this, but it does make a ton of sense)

it's game-breaking if all of these are true and townaligned. moreover, we know some of them to be true. There is a bottle of wine, in all probability YN can read cards (although there's no reason to suspect this is town-aligned), and eevee flipped cop.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 02, 2012, 09:11:17 am »

I don't understand why I'm getting pressure for voting YN. I decided it was very likely that one of YN and O was lying a long time ago and have been constantly voting for one or the other based on which one I thought was lying.

Happy to unvote for now till we hear an O card claim. I imagined that the claim would implicate O deeper.

Anyway, Theorel's analysis suggests that even if one of them [O and YN] is lying, it might be best to vote elsewhere while they prove their claims.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 02, 2012, 12:30:20 am »

does nobody else think it's weird for a JOAT to have a roleblock and a jailkeep ability?

I do. But I don't think you cared about hearing that.

I mean, I kind of care. I'm frustrated because lots of things don't make sense, but at the end of the day there's the "O would not be in trouble if he hadn't freely admitted to his roleblocking error" argument that is hard to answer without the cayvie-conspiracy-theory. I think since you've already claimed your role that little would be harmed and a lot would be gained from you claiming your card. Either way,

vote: young nick

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 02, 2012, 12:09:39 am »

does nobody else think it's weird for a JOAT to have a roleblock and a jailkeep ability?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 01, 2012, 07:32:21 pm »

eh, vote: young nick

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 01, 2012, 07:21:21 pm »

unvote

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 01, 2012, 07:21:06 pm »

i don't believe it

doesn't explain why you used a 1-shot roleblock, supposedly without knowing the target was a claimed PR

also i think giving someone both a roleblock and a jailkeep role would be weird...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 01, 2012, 07:12:33 pm »

cool, vote: young nick

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Game Reports / Re: Piledrive Outposts

« on: November 01, 2012, 02:34:23 pm »

That's great. I wonder what other snippets of text one very rarely sees on isotropic.

  BadAssMutha plays a Saboteur.
   ... ehunt reveals nothing and has no card to sabotage.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 01, 2012, 04:22:55 am »

Also my last two posts both use the "[superlative] [noun] ever" construction which I find stale and unpleasant. Sorry.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: November 01, 2012, 04:19:45 am »

I have created the unhealthiest meta ever.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 09:29:42 pm »

Hello all, my wife started having some contractions, might be having a baby later tonight...so I'm gonna go ahead and Vote: O, since I might not be here tomorrow when I said I would make it a vote.

@yuma: I can understand your desire for a "record" of votes.  But I don't really think that voting records are the best indicator of reads anyways.  Some people are free with votes, others tighter, this is a player-thing, not a scum/town-thing.

best reason for voting ever. good luck!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 08:47:35 pm »

ashersky: as far as i'm concerned watno gets a pass for now b/c gruj-wagon. yeah, he forgot that you were confirmed town. i'd find that a little scummy (mostly because O famously did it in MIV when he was scum) except i did it myself last night.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 02:23:38 pm »

I'd still prefer a shraeye lynch since that best explains the night kill, but a YN or O lynch has become agreeable in light of 841.

I still don't get how me being scum explains the night kill.  Do you still think I'm a power role?

I misspoke.  I meant that I would think they'd kill either cayvie or YN, known power roles.  They killed eHalc, so one explanation is that either cayvie or YN are scum power roles.  Another explanation is that they were trying to silence eHalc for some reason, and you jump out as someone who eHalc was very critical of.

I think the best explanation for the eHalc kill is that eHalc was confirmed town and was working really hard in a way that a lot of other folks weren't (and still aren't). If I were scum and YN were not, I would absolutely not have killed YN because there was so much suspicion on him yesterday and the Frisk-flip didn't clear him at all.

I would have considered Cayvie in the same situation, although Cayvie was at least partially frameable as well. Now that I think about it, I guess we should suspect Cuzz epsilon more due to the fact that scum didn't kill him, since Cuzz was looking pretty town and also like he had a mild power role after his claim. But I think eHalc was a very logical scumkill, regardless of claimed PRs.

Also, for the last two nights at least, scum has shot "loud people," i.e. people who are working hard. Seems like a good strategy in the absence of other information.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 03:17:08 am »

unvote nothing's right. i'm torn. i'm all out of faith. this is how i feel. etc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 03:09:25 am »

(it's basically the story you transmogrified into being a story about a tracker, except it makes a lot more sense because it doesn't involve you freaking out about cayvie tracking you [which would be ludicrous], it involves you freaking out about cayvie watching someone whom you know that cayvie targeted)

except, i don't even think i have to explain this to you, i'm pretty sure you were following the thread a few hours ago when all this went down. you even asked "is cayvie claiming watcher?" and it was explained several times that this didn't happen but it was a perception argument. i really think you are feigning ignorance here.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 03:07:48 am »

Reasons not to vote O:

I'm scum that decided to claim that I blocked YN because I somehow thought Cayvie was a tracker, and after that somehow thought that Cayvie chose to track me, and thinking that Cayvie was a tracker I still thought blocking YN was more important.

everybody knows for a fact that cayvie targeted young nick last night. the assertion is watcher, not tracker.... which is something you definitely understood earlier in the evening. you are pretending not to understand!

vote: O

or I don't have a goddamn clue what's happening.

where did cayvie claim this?

cayvie didn't claim watcher. cayvie argued that it's likely that mafia (possibly falsely) assumed she was watcher, based on who she targeted each of the three nights, and that this explains why you came forward with the roleblock of young nick, because everyone knows cayvie targeted young nick last night.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 03:03:28 am »

Reasons not to vote O:

I'm scum that decided to claim that I blocked YN because I somehow thought Cayvie was a tracker, and after that somehow thought that Cayvie chose to track me, and thinking that Cayvie was a tracker I still thought blocking YN was more important.

everybody knows for a fact that cayvie targeted young nick last night. the assertion is watcher, not tracker.... which is something you definitely understood earlier in the evening. you are pretending not to understand!

vote: O

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 3

« on: October 31, 2012, 03:01:11 am »

I am definitely suspicious of the people who we haven't heard from in a while. To me, that is morgrim, theorel, cuzz, axxle, o. Theorel definitely seems the worst to me.

His posts seem to lack a certain content and it feels like he is here but just not active.

I still find shraeye super scummy, but for now, his re-reads with commentary are too valuable to lose. I do fear that he is the new f.DS scum, being too helpful and thus avoiding suspicion. However, I can't back that up except with my gut.

So vote: theorel. His (/ibgtennis's) complete lack of posting has gotten out of hand.

I felt like I lurked harder and that calling posts "lacking of a certain content" was a cop-out excuse to force a vote on someone.

It wasn't very much to go on in retrospect.

actually this is interesting. of that list of people, i'd rank them subjectively from least lurky to most lurky as

cuzz < theorel < morgrim < axxle < O

(this is as of end of day yesterday when it was relevant, not as of now, obviously). you can throw YN a bone for morg-sanity but it's still weird he picked theorel over axxle or you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 02:56:30 am »

unvote cuzzbomb makes ashersky look better which makes o look better.

were you voting O because of your read on ashersky?

i thought ashersky's conversation with you today was superscummy and seemed like mafia defending fellow mafia, which in turn made O look worse, but, in fact, ashersky is as confirmed town as we're going to get at this point, so that whole narrative kinda fell apart.

but no, there's plenty of reason to vote for O to go around, not just the ashersky business.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 02:51:30 am »

vote:young nick
if he flips town i think O is likely scum.i guess we don't learn much if he flips scum, but hey, it will be the third day in a row we've hit scum and not learned much, so that's cool.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 02:50:42 am »

unvote cuzzbomb makes ashersky look better which makes o look better.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 02:48:54 am »

ashersky's not on the gruj-wagon and isn't part of the weird cuzz-induced town-probably-information-bomb, right?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 02:47:45 am »

i am also highly suspicious of ashersky who defended O's actions in a manner that was logically incompatible with O's own defense of O's actions, suggesting that he already knew O was roleblocking and hadn't actually read the thread. vote: O; if he flips town then I want to go after young nick. if he flips scum then I want to go after ashersky.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XI: Find Yourself in the Courtyard Masquerade -- DAY 4

« on: October 31, 2012, 02:38:56 am »

Looking at the vote count it really seems to be between me and O, however multiple people have expressed suspicion and/or willingness to lynch both Shraeye and Cayvie.

i imagine that i will pick between one of you and O and that if this doesn't work I'll pick the other one tomorrow.