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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 2)

« on: February 07, 2013, 02:37:33 pm »

And I find raerae scummy for defending sudgy.

Also, sudgy's opening post today was SO staged.

I just thought, "I'll do a re-read of Jimmmmm and post about it."  Afterwards, "That didn't give me too much.  Oh well."

Vote: Robz888

I find his certainty about sudgy rather scummy. I would not be surprised by a mcmc-robz scumteam trying to get an easy misslynch of sudgy. I am voting robz instead of mcmc because robz is saying less, and I got a towny feel from mcmc's posts in D1.

His certainty could be what mcmc said (not quoted exactly), that he "makes a bad case followed by a vote to see how people react."  I did this too at the beginning of the first day.

Also, I got a "towny feel" from mcmc as well at D1, but even then I felt it was a bit too towny (I mentioned that once).  Like he was working to feel towny.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 2)

« on: February 06, 2013, 09:45:25 pm »

I can tell it's pointless giving points to counter another person's point countering my own point, so I won't.  I'll just say that you're changing your read on robz wasn't one of the big things against you.  I'm saying it was more of a "I'll agree with you guys to make you think I'm town but we can't lynch him because he's my mafia buddy."

Also, another big reason I forgot to mention earlier is that you and EFHW were the only people who we don't know who they were on my wagon.  I'm still thinking Robz is the other mafia instead of EFHW, though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 2)

« on: February 06, 2013, 08:06:43 pm »

THese are the two quotes of robz that made me believe he is town.

Also, having suspicions of a Robz-Raerae Mafia team.

You know, I'm kind of starting to think that too...  I won't change my vote for now, but I'll keep this in mind...

Here's a good exercise: What evidence do you have for this?

I sure have a lot of votes. Why is this? Explain yourselves.

I can't yet tell the new people apart from one another.

Sure its not a lot but out of everything he has posted which is little, this made me lean town, this form of not defending himself and simply posing questions is a somewhat reliable indicator of town!robz.

You said that his towniness came from his doing what he usually does, making a bad case and voting.  He didn't make a bad case either time (just asked a question) and he didn't vote at all.

So I really don't know what you are voting me over, am I correct in thinking you are voting because I said I had a town read on robz and later said it was slipping away. I think you are, just as you did with robz finding me scummy simply because I find you scummy.

My main reasons for voting for you are:

1. Your saying the reasons for thinking Robz is town when the reason didn't really fit his actions (I know you countered it, but I still think this is the case)
2. You being on the wagon every time
3. You diverting attention from Robz and starting the lynch towards mail-mi

I mentioned you saying you were losing your town read on robz because after that you voted for mail-mi.

Also, another idea I had (it may not be right, though) is that if mcmc and robz are mafia, mcmc could have told robz to make a shallow accusation to use his reasoning for robz being town.  Then robz voted for me right away.

Seeing as I think sudgy is scum, for the many reasons I have stated, I think it is irrelevant whether or not scum!robz would push a mislynch on town!sudgy. But if that were the case, as a general rule one for one trades(one town lynch followed by one scum lynch) are good for town and bad for scum.

The thing is, if Sudgy is scum then he is kind of unskillful scum (sorry Sudgy). 

Robz has just made flat-out statements without any argument to support them.  As a newbie, I'd like his reasons spelled out so I can understand how he is seeing things.

Me, too. Is this usual Robz behavior?

mcmc says it is.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)

« on: February 06, 2013, 07:21:18 pm »

Yes my previous town read of robz is slipping quickly, though if were going to lynch a lurker I would rather mail-mi because I find his interactions scummier and I thin his flip will b more valuable.

I know this was a while ago, but you have been switching back and forth with your read on robz.  And, when you say he's acting more scummy, you turn the conversation, vote for a VT and bring others along with you.  While I still see Robz as scum, all this I'm seeing with you is enough to make me Vote: mcmcsalot.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 2)

« on: February 06, 2013, 07:03:38 pm »

Sudgy is NOT a vet.

Is he a newbie, then?  I'm confused about the terms.

I've played a fair bit irl, but never on a forum.  And I'm finding forum mafia surprisingly different than it is irl.

Also, what does flailing mean?

Do you mean in this game, or the everyday use for it?

In the game.

1) my town read on robz comes from something I have only seen him do as town, I'm extremely unhappy revealing this but I will because it has been talked about enough that I am not confident using it in future games. When robz is town he has a scum hunting strategy where he makes a bad case followed by a vote, he then waits to see who will jump on the case, that will more often be scum jumping on the chance to lynch town. This is also why robz is mislynched as town often, people notice the bad case which ends up looking scummier than anything else. Also as town robz asks people there opinion often and overall plays reactive instead of proactive. His original posts of this game were exactly that.

My heat is apparently out (and I live in a place where heat is desperately required at this time of year) so I'm only addressing this while try to fix that and may not be around much tonight after this post.

Robz' first vote was the hammer on mail-mi so that bit of your excuse isn't a reason why you could have seen robz as town.  He also didn't present ANY cases D1.  He also only asked one question:

Here's a good exercise: What evidence do you have for this?

And his first posts (basically all his D1 posts) in this game were theory talk.  He didn't engage anybody in conversation past that.  Please quote or give me post numbers because I'm not finding any of this in D1.

He did do it today.  But of course mcmc was saying this yesterday too.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 2)

« on: February 06, 2013, 05:33:22 pm »

Sudgy is NOT a vet.

Is he a newbie, then?  I'm confused about the terms.

I've played a fair bit irl, but never on a forum.  And I'm finding forum mafia surprisingly different than it is irl.

Also, what does flailing mean?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 2)

« on: February 06, 2013, 01:51:51 pm »

mcmc, I was posting about you and robz being scum because that was the only other (simple) alternative to me being scum.  Also, I wasn't just saying that you're scum because you voted for me, I also was giving other reasons as well.  Also, another thing I noticed, was that you were voting on every single wagon...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 2)

« on: February 06, 2013, 12:39:05 am »

To the people who say I was jumping around with accusations: I mentioned liopoil and kooshie because that was just from the previous day.  Now I'm starting to think of robz/mcmc as a scumteam, for a few reasons:

1. They both had a bit of scumminess from their recent posts (I mentioned this already).
2. mcmc agreed with robz's vote just now.
3. mcmc said he had a town read on robz for reasons he couldn't explain.  But what if he doesn't have a reason? (as raerae mentioned)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)

« on: February 05, 2013, 08:25:26 pm »

Also, mcmc, if you're mafia, you could have seen that and thought "Oh, this is a perfect argument!  It'll get people to vote for sudgy!"  I'm starting to get suspicious of you as well.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)

« on: February 05, 2013, 08:13:04 pm »

A few very recent things have made me change my mind...

Vote Count 1.8:

Kooshie (3): (Jimmmmm), liopoil, sudgy, mcmcsalot
Robz888 (1): raerae
Mail-mi (1): kooshie
liopoil (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): Robz888, mail-mi, Jimmmmm

Vote Count 1.11:

Kooshie (2): liopoil, sudgy
Robz888 (1): raerae
Mail-mi (1): kooshie
sudgy (3): Jimmmmm, mcmcsalot, mail-mi, (EFHW)

Not Voting (2): Robz888, EFHW

Final Vote Count:

Robz888 (1): raerae
liopoil (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (5): mcmcsalot, EFHW, sudgy, Kooshie, Robz888

Not Voting (2): Jimmmmm, liopoil

I noticed Robz888 wasn't voting for either of the first two.  This could be attributed to his lurkiness, maybe he didn't notice until too late.  And then when he saw mail-mi at L-1, he lynched him.  (This is all hypothetical, of course.)

Also, just saying "Yikes" seems scummy to me.  Maybe trying to make it seem like he's empathetic with the town.

Last, he instantly accused me when I just was trying to see who might want to kill Jimmmmm.  He saw something that seemed a bit scummy, and jumped for it.

From this, I'm going to Vote: Robz888

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Other Games / Re: Chess

« on: February 05, 2013, 08:05:10 pm »

I was kind of joking...  Oh well.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: The Kingdom Design + Test (or SCIENCE!) Game

« on: February 05, 2013, 07:36:09 pm »

That sounds interesting.  When I designed a kingdom for the kingdom design contest, I only had the base game and intrigue, so I just used geronimoo's simulator and found a bunch of strategies that beat each other.  One card got thrown in that I would take out, but I could post it.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Swedish Online Championships on Isotropic!?

« on: February 05, 2013, 07:33:19 pm »

I'm half Swedish living in the U.S...  But I'm not much interested in tournaments anyway...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)

« on: February 05, 2013, 07:30:57 pm »

Alright, I decided to re-read Jimmmmm to try to see if there was any reason someone would want to kill him.

The only people he accused were me and Kooshie.  I obviously think I'm town and that would leave kooshie as the only person with a reason to kill him.  Although I don't know if Kooshie is scum, so it probably was someone's random kill (or someone wanted to kill a vet so newbies could play longer).

I'm still slightly suspicious of both liopoil and kooshie, but am not going to vote yet.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXI: Another Dinner Party! (Newbie Priority Game - Day 1)

« on: February 05, 2013, 07:18:45 pm »

(I'm going to say something in a bit, but before I do that, I want to say that the thread still says it's day 1)

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Other Games / Re: Chess

« on: February 05, 2013, 05:31:47 pm »

I think this needs to get moved to the forum games thread

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Game Reports / Re: Feedback on games

« on: February 05, 2013, 05:29:26 pm »

PS.  Yeah, you don't want to build an "engine" around ghost ship. That's like saying you want to build a village/moat engine.  It aint going to happen. GS/MV is basically a 9$ lab (with a rather nasty attack thrown in of course).  That MV is better off being a silver.

Well, Ghost Ship does a very good job of slowing the game down, so you can make some engines you wouldn't otherwise make, including things where Ghost Ship is the primary source of draw, provided there is enough other engine support.

In this kingdom you can't, since there is no trashing, but it's actually possible sometimes. Generally though, yeah, you need a lot more support than engines based off of better drawing cards.

I actually did build one earlier, with upgrade and bishop for trashing and the farming village as my village.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Best Card Sleeves for Dominion?

« on: February 05, 2013, 12:55:35 am »

Wow I go on hiatus, come back, and this is still on the first page?

Also, this has indeed been a helpful thread. Glad I made it!

Well, I haven't been helpful... 

Oh, haven't you?

Well, it's helped me.  (Teaching me what sleeves actually are)

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Best Card Sleeves for Dominion?

« on: February 05, 2013, 12:50:02 am »

Wow I go on hiatus, come back, and this is still on the first page?

Also, this has indeed been a helpful thread. Glad I made it!

Well, I haven't been helpful... 

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Dominion General Discussion / A few random tactical questions

« on: February 05, 2013, 12:48:36 am »

I've just gotten a few ideas over a while that I'm not sure about...  I know that these all depend on the kingdom and your deck, but when would you do certain things?

Ambassador 2 curses or trash three?

When do you want to trash feodum? (obviously, trader would most of the time be a good idea, but I'm talking about other situations)

And there was another one I had in mind but forgot...  I'll just say it when I remember.

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Game Reports / Re: Feedback on games

« on: February 05, 2013, 12:38:20 am »

No reason to not open with Sea Hag here... You may have gotten crushed if your opponent opened Sea Hag/Silver instead of Baron/Silver.

I would consider Vault on this board even despite Ghost Ship because Vault turns Curses into money. If you get hit with a Ghost Ship when you have Vault in hand, just save it for next turn.

I didn't think about getting Sea Hag when I had decided on my strategy, and when I realized I had forgotten to get one I just decided to stick with it.

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Game Reports / Re: Feedback on games

« on: February 04, 2013, 08:20:54 pm »

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/04/game-20130204-171726-6fe25735.html

As I was looking at the cards, I was thinking about maybe trying some mining village/ghost ship engine, but I realized that where was no trashing.  And the sea hag.  I then went for just pure BM+ghost ship.  I'm not sure if this is what I should have done, but I still won in the end.  I didn't follow the PPR, but my deck was getting worse by the moment so I realized I would have to act as soon as I could.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Greatest Moments uhh... I mean Misclicks of Dominion 2013

« on: February 04, 2013, 01:19:57 pm »

This happened IRL, but I'll call it a misclick. Synaptic misfire, at least.

Oh yeah, that happened to me too.  I had a city engine going (can't remember if they were level 1, 2, or 3 depending on how you use the power levels) and I was neck-in-neck with somebody.  I was going to end the game this turn, played all my cities, peddlers, and such trying to get enough coins to end it.  I had a few coins extra, when I realized I could have bishoped a peddler (like I had been doing for the last few turns).  I still ended the game, and I was one point behind...

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Filling in a gap in the attack paradigm

« on: February 04, 2013, 01:16:15 am »

Saboteurabble
$6
+1 Card
+1 buy
+$1
Each other player reveals the top four cards of his deck, and trashes one costing $4 or more that he chooses. He gains a card costing up to two less, his choice. He then discards the actions and treasures, putting the rest back on top in any order he chooses.

That might be bad in some situations...  I trash my $4 cost card and have to gain an estate, copper, or curse (because there's no kingdom cards costing $2 or less).  But that could make it better, I was just thinking of saboteur.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Best Card Sleeves for Dominion?

« on: February 03, 2013, 05:48:01 pm »

I just use rubber bands.  Have used up all of them in the house (twice) though.

This is a wonderful image!

sudgy, the idea is to have each card in an individual sleeve, so that they don't get damaged when shuffling.  Rubber banding the cards for storage is the polar opposite of what this thread is trying to achieve.

Oops, I always thought that the sleeves were something you use to put the cards away.