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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:59:14 pm »
So, cayvie, if we pretend everybody is a fruit vendor, who ends up with apples at the end of everything? I'm having a difficult time following these chains. Like you and Joseph are the starts of different chains, right?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:45:55 pm »
I'm including raerae in "claimed redirector". I know she didn't specifically, but I'll eat a hat if that's not the result she "had" on cayvie

Why is 'had' in quotes? Trying to hear your emphasis.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:45:14 pm »
so it looks like now raerae knows that she killed Galz!

well, or ari.

well, or me. if i'm lying.

well, or none of this, if she's lying.

well, or something else, if there's more redirection afoot.

If I targeted myself with a kill then I'd be dead.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:44:11 pm »
This doesn't answer my question...if there's a "tie", which are resolved first? Random, first in first out...what?

They are resolved randomly.

mail-mi also said this so how do we account for randomness? That's what I was referring to.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:14:53 pm »
We also don't know in what order redirectors were processed so can we work this out or not?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 19, 2020, 01:11:53 pm »
LaLi, how are you and how are things in your part of the world?

for the last couple of weeks I managed to crawl out of depression that was eating me for months and now I am quite resourseful!

Fabulous work! Keep it up and we got your back :)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 18, 2020, 10:08:12 pm »
Why is everybody saying shraeye's town? He's done a whole lot of not very much.

do you have a scumread on him?

Nope, I haven't seen enough for me to label him anything which leads to my confusion.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 18, 2020, 06:33:50 pm »
Why is everybody saying shraeye's town? He's done a whole lot of not very much.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 17, 2020, 08:27:33 pm »
I don't think I've ever self-voted but I want this hammer. Somebody put me at L-1, I've got a few things to say.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 17, 2020, 08:26:04 pm »
What tale am I weaving? cayvie has made ALL the speculation, I just said she killed Galz. Why is that unbelievable? And we've already talked about how we should stop making claims and giving scum targets so is so crazy that I took that advice? What am I actually being lynched for right now? Can anybody answer that?


It's hard to come up with a role that would allow you to know that with any certyainty given the nature of the game as it has been revealed to us so far. You've refused to claim your role, which would allow us to understand how you are able to know what you claim to know. You left yourself a very specific out for if cayvie flips town (oops, guess the scum redirector targeted her), which is a scummy thing to do when claiming an investigative role.

Aren't you the one who said to stop claiming? This is very confusing. I'm not supposed to claim until I'm supposed to and I'm scummy if I do but more scummy if I don't. What the actual hell. Should I just not have said anything and tried to make some shirt up to get cayvie lynched? This is infuriating.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 17, 2020, 06:02:26 pm »
I'm pretty over my ability as a player in this game being attacked. Lunch me if you want to or use your heads and listen to what I've actually said. I got a result that told me cayvie killed Galz. cayvie said she redirected me to ari so if she's telling the truth then ari made that kill. I left room for that possibility because it's exactly that, a possibility. cayvie, however, immediately jumped to me lying and fakeclaiming and being really really awful at it. And a lot of you believe that. So kill me if you want to, you're wrong but I'm done.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 17, 2020, 04:15:40 pm »
So maybe there's a method to my madness other than me being a bumbling idiot and being unable to fakeclaim. Or, you're right, I'm just a giant idiot.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 17, 2020, 03:52:53 pm »
Vote: Ari

Since I was still rage voting MiX.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 17, 2020, 03:51:46 pm »
What tale am I weaving? cayvie has made ALL the speculation, I just said she killed Galz. Why is that unbelievable? And we've already talked about how we should stop making claims and giving scum targets so is so crazy that I took that advice? What am I actually being lynched for right now? Can anybody answer that?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 04:00:37 pm »
but i don't think it's scummy from MiX. you're omgusing

Yup, but I'm fine with an anger vote for a minute.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:58:24 pm »
so i remember like 3-4 instances of "lynch me but i won't claim" in Mafia games, usually by self-hammering ashersky and in every case he was town. why would scum!rae not claim? I believe her here.

but i also believe cayvie to be town, can't really explain

let's try vote: Joseph for a change

I think scum!raerae doesn't know of a fakeclaim that explains her behavior. That's my read, take it or leave it, I wouldn't give her a chance to discuss with her scummates over night.

Joseph? Eh.

So I'm clever enough to fakeclaim a result but not clever enough to have considered being counterclaimed.

Vote: MiX because that's just offensive and stupid

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:57:20 pm »
how the hell are you all so sure raerae gets nked if there is like 26 redirectors

who are you asking?

i don't think raerae gets nked because i think she's scum.

but, on the off-chance she's town, i don't think a full-claim makes her any more likely to be nightkilled than her current partial "i'm an investigator but i won't tell you what kind, riddle dee dee" claim.

I know my role and you don't, I'm not being difficult because I'm Rumpelstiltskin over here, I've judged it to be in the best interest of town because I know the most about MY role.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:40:38 pm »
That sounds correct.

Excellent. In that case, consider me in the “Raerae please claim, you’re gonna get NKed anyways” camp.

Vote: Raerae

It makes negative sense to lunch me if I'm going to be the NK. If I'm the NK then I'm not scum.

Vote: ari


"raerae please claim, if you're town you're gonna get NKed anyways"

Did he really need to say "if you're town" in that sentence? Because it's heavily implied.

I'd rather take the NK than give additional information to scum today. You can't both believe there's a possibility I'm town and say you'd like to lunch me. He's saying I'm dead regardless and that's pretty f-ing scummy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:35:00 pm »
Phones are hard

vote: ari

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 03:33:32 pm »
That sounds correct.

Excellent. In that case, consider me in the “Raerae please claim, you’re gonna get NKed anyways” camp.

Vote: Raerae

It makes negative sense to lunch me if I'm going to be the NK. If I'm the NK then I'm not scum.

Vote: ari

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 12:15:32 pm »
Thank you raerae.

So there's scum in (raerae, cayvie, ari)? Because it seems like it.

Raerae, do you stand by your information being changed if cayvie was redirected?


Dude, I don't know what way is up anymore.  Sure.  If cayvie didn't kill Galz then she didn't kill Galz.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 12:09:41 pm »
lol MiX has gotta be like "wtf is going on" right now  ;D ;D

If you aren't confused at least once then it's not a good Mafia game, right??

haha. you've played with MiX before, would you mind answering my question about him?

is this game a typical example of MiX's play?

I thought about but I'm really not the best person to answer.  MiX and I would not play nice in the sandbox so I think we aren't great at being objective about each other. 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 12:03:41 pm »
lol MiX has gotta be like "wtf is going on" right now  ;D ;D

If you aren't confused at least once then it's not a good Mafia game, right??

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 11:51:41 am »
We all know that Glooble softclaimed to have a night action. It's the first thing he said this game, right?

So Glooble can softclaim and it's in town's best interest but I don't give you my f-ing shoe size w/mine and I'm obv!scum.  Totes makes sense.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 16, 2020, 11:48:15 am »
I guess I'm really trying to ask who you believe and why. I think? We're probably talking past each other again/as always.

I believe everyone. Who do you not believe, other than cayvie?

Answer this please.


Missed it the first time, tentative belief across the board with everybody else.  cayvie's behavior post-claim is what makes me disbelieve her, not the claim itself.


cayvie doesn't trust your softclaim. Is that so wrong? Is that so unbelievable? Cayvie isn't jumping into conclusions, she's just going for the first thing that makes sense, and right now there's nothing that points to anything else being more probable than you being scum (or cayvie being scum, but obviously cayvie won't explore that). Why do you assume people will trust your claim, especially the one that absolutely knows that your result has to be wrong in some way or another (from cayvie's perspective)?


It isn't the simplest explanation especially considering we were just talking about town full of redirectors.  Why, immediately after that discussion, would your conclusion be, "SHE'S LYING!!!" instead of, must be another misdirection? 

 

You will if we wagon you. This is just bringing a ton of confusion and splitting town, it's much better if you'd simply claim and be done with it. But you won't, because I said you should, and you're too stubborn to listen to anyone but yourself.


This is way too much chaos based on raerae not claiming. You either claim a result, or you say nothing, not this. We're going in circles.

raerae, do you think ari did the NK if cayvie is town?

Try. Me.

There is nothing to be gained from me claiming, you aren't going to teach me a lesson by lynching me, I'm still going to play this game in the way I see best given the information I have and no amount of "pressure" is going to change it.  This is nothing to do with me being stubborn, it's all to do with me having more information about my role than you.  There's no confusion, you're fishing for more information than is necessary.  I'm saying the information I have says cayvie killed Galz, cayvie is saying she redirected me to ari, there's NOTHING more you need.  Quoting my f-ing PM isn't going to give you anything else, you need to decide who to trust and you obviously have already so walk away or contribute because wall posts about how much I'm hurting town isn't helping anybody.

Re: cayvie being town, obviously.

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