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@Lekkit, you’ve said you don’t have a lot to say because it’s day one and RVS is boring.  Exactly how do you propose we move out of it if you sit back and watch us spin our wheels?  You then complain about the soft-deadline I set without objecting to me being in charge of that after I clearly indicated I was uncomfortable with that decision.  You also criticize theorel for 1) not having much substance to his posts and 2) only coming out in RVS when you yourself only showed up once you called out for lurking and didn’t say much then.

I just don’t think you’ve had a lot to say and I don’t see how town is benefiting from keeping you around.

Vote: Lekkit

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Vote Count 1.7

Robz888 (1): Captain_Frisk
Eevee (2): cayvie, yuma
Galzria (1): Axxle
Lekkit (3): theorel, Jimmmmm, Eevee
yuma (1): Cuzz

Not Voting (5): Abra655, Galzria, Lekkit, raerae, Robz888

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on Thursday, December 20, at 4:30 p.m. forum time.

Please note, in approximately 30 minutes, the stock three real days for D1 will be over and your bankable time begins.


Everybody cool with a soft deadline of Friday at 8pm forum time? Lynch the person with the most votes at that point if we haven't come to a decision yet?

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Theorel&Robz&axxle?

sorry axxle I am going to discuss this... but I think this is a role that our friendly Innocent Child could fulfill. Leave it up to raerae to determine when the soft deadline is, how to implement it, and what the penalty will be for non-participation?

And now I am done discussing it... I will leave it to raerae to decide, if rarerae chooses to take on this responsibility.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  Under Pressure suddenly began playing in my head.  Not cool, dude folk.  Plus, I’ll kill whoever is spreading the filthy lie that I’m friendly. 

Argument:  I don’t feel comfortable making this decision without additional input but I do like Axxle’s statement that talking about it takes up more time than setting one actually saves.  I feel like this is a bit like calling a pre-meeting in corporate life.  1 out of every 20 pre-meetings will be productive but most of the time it’s just a straight waste.  Also, I will be v/la through Friday evening so setting a deadline when I won’t be around (and then probably being killed immediately N1) sounds like a crappy way to finish out this game. 

Concession:  Nobody will ever accurately accuse me of not being a team player, so if the majority of you wonderful people want a soft-deadline of the end of this week with a lynch on whoever has the most votes at that time (is that how this would happen?), I will make it so.

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Forum Games / Re: Vacation/Limited Access announcements
« on: December 04, 2012, 09:22:05 pm »
Out for work through Friday evening with events Wednesday and Thursday night.

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First, sorry, I accidentally wrote a book.
Second, here it is:

Here's a theory: Robz is a Serial Killer.

He comes straight out of the blocks saying "Don't vig!", knowing of course that there will be at least one extra night-kill each night, and then he can act indignant each morning because some Vigilante isn't toeing the line. "Why do you keep killing our Townies?" he demands. "I told you not to vig!" Meanwhile he looks very Town because he warned us all that this was going to happen, but someone didn't listen.

Having said that, I actually think he's probably Town, although I don't have any stronger reads so he's still my number 1 suspect.

oh i'm going to like playing with you

this is exactly the type of theory i like :)

I totally agree with cayvie, this is super interesting.  Also interesting is robz' offhanded response to the accusation.  All game robz has been telling us he's town, telling us "the best" way to play, and, dare I say, being real warm and fuzzy.   In his first response to me (post #92) he first tells me he’s super experienced (damn, boy) and then answers my question all the while insinuating he’s town.  The part that felt most awkward to me was this:
Since you are the Innocent Child I can't really bounce my thoughts on whether people are playing to their town or scum "meta" off on you, because you don't know--you've never played with these people.

In post #98 he advocates lynching all lurkers and goes on to have the highest post count thereby keeping himself safe from lynch, at least for lurking. (I understand this is a popular idea but I don’t know that it really holds water anymore.  More on that later if necessary/requested.)
The fish for a cop or doctor in #100 has been discussed by…dang, a bunch of you?  But Robz response to being called out for it is borderline cocky and he again all but says “I’m town!  I’m town!” by this (#192):
This is actually a pretty good reason to vote for me. I salute Frisk for catching it.
It's also something I would have obviously self-filtered if I were scum.

And again!  Warm, fuzzy, semi-condescending, look-how-town-I-am Robz. 
Well, here goes some more buddying, but that's a genius suggestion. Seriously impressive. Not the case though, sadly.

All that horrible quoting aside, I have to put what faith I can into Galzria’s post (#225) about how that was old scum Robz, not new-scum Robz.  I am not ready to vote but I am looking longingly at that Robz wagon. 

I think it would be AMAZING to hear words from people like Lekkit and Abra…speak up, boys.

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raerae, I think the only reason for scum to kill anyone but the IC is if they think they can nail a stronger power role. Sorry, doesn't look good for you.

Well, damn. I'll do what I can to make my time count then.  Cayvie, trying to out the doctor only exposes that person to scum, right?  Doesn't town benefit from keeping that particular role all locked up and secret like?

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Ok, so we're on again?  Good stuff.  In an attempt to not be lurky and terrible, I have composed my thoughts below.  They may be terrible thoughts but hey, trial and error, right?

From what I understand, basically two schools of thought have been introduced regarding a super newbie being the IC.  Correct me if I'm making stuff up.
1. It's awful because you vets don't know me and I don't know you so any reads I get on people are going to be solely based on play during this game only which would make me a bad sounding-board if you wanted to talk about play in previous games.
2. It's not the worst thing in the world because scum would possibly consider killing somebody more dangerous than the chick who doesn't know anything about anybody.

Of course I'm going to side with 2 because, well, I don't want to die.  I'm interested though, for you folk who have played 1.2 million games, is an IC always your first kill as mafia or would there be a reason to keep one around?

And enough of that for now.  I’m thinking we might still be in RVS (at least a little) so maybe I can’t read too much into this but Cuzz’s vote for Yuma doesn’t sit warm and fuzzy with me.  I read yuma’s vote and quick unvote fro robz as a bad attempt at a joke.  Maybe those of you who know yuma better could shed some light on this?

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I would prefer NOT to restart, just because it's annoying, and I'm already formulating some reads, man.

I would 2nd that if our opinions are taken into account with this decision.

Also, hi cayvie!

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There are stats on mafiascum saying that the vig targets with less acurracy than random.  That said it depends on the player and his/her reads.  And why are you guys assuming a vig anyway?

Has anybody addressed this yet/can somebody?  It seems like we just have a lot of talky talk back and forth about vigs with no compromise in sight and no real reason why we haven't moved on to something more substantial.

Also, I have thoughts and words on me being the IC and the views on that but I'm on my phone and this screen and keyboard are too small for me to function so I'll write those up later.

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Important: Vigilantes should NOT shoot. Just don't do it.

Interesting that the IC is a totally new player. This is probably unfortunate; I would much rather have IC status land on Frisk or Eevee or something. Oh well.

Shraeye has very patiently answered all my questions about the different possible roles in this game but I'm interested in your take on why it would be better for a vet to be the IC instead?  Other than the fact that I don't know nothin' bout nothin'.

Well, you may note that this is the 17th "regular" game of mafia on these forums. I am the only person who as played all 17, but quite a few other players have participated in a LOT of games. Basically, I have ideas about how certain people play as town, and how they play as mafia.

So let's say uh, Cuzz!, is acting a certain way. I might say to myself, "Hmm, Cuzz acted a similar way in M-XII, when he was town. Perhaps this means he is again town." And then I turn to Frisk, who was also in that game, and say "Frisk, do you agree?"

The problem is that I have no idea if Frisk is aligned with the town. So perhaps he will try to mislead me, to protect his scumbuddy Cuzz. Now, if Frisk were Innocent Child, I could no for sure to trust his reads, and his feedback on my reads.

Since you are the Innocent Child I can't really bounce my thoughts on whether people are playing to their town or scum "meta" off on you, because you don't know--you've never played with these people. (Which should not be construed as a criticism; everyone has to start somewhere, and we are happy to have new people; everybody was a newbie at some point; etc.)

I also think newbies are less likely to be mislynched, so it's a bit of a waste for YOU to be our IC. But that's not your fault! Sorry, I feel like this is a really hostile introduction.

I just spit water everywhere at that.  But no worries, it take way more than truth to hurt my feelings.  I appreciate the explanation and that does make sense.  Thank you!

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Important: Vigilantes should NOT shoot. Just don't do it.

Interesting that the IC is a totally new player. This is probably unfortunate; I would much rather have IC status land on Frisk or Eevee or something. Oh well.

Shraeye has very patiently answered all my questions about the different possible roles in this game but I'm interested in your take on why it would be better for a vet to be the IC instead?  Other than the fact that I don't know nothin' bout nothin'.

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Oh god, I'm a self-harming kleptomaniac?  Awesome.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Signups Open!)
« on: December 01, 2012, 12:09:16 am »
Have to keep track of this one.  You people are hilarious.

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/in for raerae.  She'll be ready by the time this kicks off.

I appreciate the confidence but make no promises.  Guess I'm in...

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