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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Iso or Goko?
« on: February 13, 2013, 03:24:15 am »
So for sure online versions need to be cheaper than the box sets. And, how cheaper depends on the customer, and how much of a price cut the company is willing to settle for.
Let's just repeat this for the one person reading this who doesn't know this. Magic: The Gathering costs exactly as much for online packs as for real packs. They felt like they had to do that to not lose money on the online version, and so that's what they did. When this was announced, there were sure people who said "lol no-one will pay that much for imaginary cards, this is never getting off the ground." It has been many years and Wizards has been raking in cash from online Magic.
I would say by keeping the online and physical version in the hands of the same company, whose product line had proven to be maintained, survived the Pokémon competition, to have withstood the lure of power creep, they were in a different position to address the concerns issued by Watno and serakfalcon. Dominion the card game is excellent as a product and will, like, say, Carcassonne, be around for many years, but an online version by Goko would have to stand the test of time. (OTOH, my unsleeved cards might have a shorter life expectancy than an online version.)

Also, I have never played M:tG online but I had found that deck construction grew more and more unwieldy the more physical cards I possessed, and I would imagine that an online version takes care of that brilliantly. Isotropic always reminds me to topdeck my Treasury, which is nice, but nowhere near the added convenience I'd expect to have with online deck construction.
 
   

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Iso or Goko?
« on: February 12, 2013, 04:12:09 pm »
I don't think anyone is disputing the right to sell electronic specimen of playing cards.

But I rather play Dominion within the family (which I do a lot) and would pay for a different experience online, like Innovation, which I don't have a physical copy of.

Also, boardgaming-online.com is a site I donate once in a while to, for their excellent implementation of Through the Ages.

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Forum Games / Re: Terra Mystica - Signups open (8/10 for 2 games)
« on: February 12, 2013, 03:58:40 pm »
Seriously, if you have two pairs of trousers, sell one and buy a copy. The excellent components will let you pick up the rules so easily. I understand that much work went into the spreadsheet, and I trust that it will render the rules correctly. But the physical game is an incarnation of the rules that fits like a glove.

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Forum Games / Re: Terra Mystica - Signups open (8/10 for 2 games)
« on: February 12, 2013, 03:42:24 pm »
The rules are quite a mouthful, but the artists have gone great lengths to incorporate them in the players' boards and main board that they qppear quite intuitive after first play.

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General Discussion / Re: Education
« on: February 12, 2013, 11:19:38 am »
It would be wonderful if we had a magic committee that could individually interview every student fairly every year. 

Tests have time and again shown to have a better reliability than committees. Maybe because they didn't have magical ones in their sample.

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General Discussion / Re: Education
« on: February 12, 2013, 10:30:25 am »
It's not that easy to proceed to probs and stats without some knowledge of calculus. While I'd concur that calculating variance estimates by second derivatives is something to be reserved for after high school, it is not that easy to get the relation between density and cumulative distribution function without knowing what an integral is, or survival function and hazard.

That being said, calculus and analytical geometry got too much attention when I went to school, at the expense of probs and stats (which we did a bit) and discrete methods such as graph theory (which we omitted).


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General Discussion / Re: Education
« on: February 12, 2013, 10:02:46 am »
there is very little to "know" about math.  (Once you know what positive integers are, and what the four basic operations are, everything further is an application of those to more complex situations.) 

Whoa Dr. Kronecker, easy. I am sure Peebles can put a rebuttal in better words, but this seems like a very terse description of math to me. Had you said "there are axioms , and there are proof techniques, everything further is an application", you may have a point, in a warped kind of way (as much as a point can be warped).

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Forum Games / Re: Terra Mystica - Signups open (5/10 for 2 games)
« on: February 12, 2013, 09:42:27 am »
Sorry, hadn't examined it before ... yes, I think this may be workable.

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Forum Games / Re: Terra Mystica - Signups open (5/10 for 2 games)
« on: February 12, 2013, 08:58:29 am »
Ah, good luck on that!

The platform they are using at BGG looks very comfortable to me.


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Forum Games / Re: Terra Mystica - Signups open (5/10 for 2 games)
« on: February 12, 2013, 08:36:20 am »
Are you going to wait until the second game is full before you start either?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Iso or Goko?
« on: February 11, 2013, 12:57:22 pm »
with all of the talk of pricing and supply/demand, i think it is worth mentioning that goko has already dropped their prices from their starting price point. so to some extent, the complaints about prices, boycotts, and/or low traffic volume to their site definitely has and will likely continue to contribute to their pricing decisions.

Exactly. Conversely, if the site had been a massive success day one, we would still probably be paying those prices, unless they saw a drop in revenue and wanted to grow their consumer base.


There is also the network effect: No one uses Goko if no one uses it. That's what Minecraft did right: More than competitive prices for early adopters.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Iso or Goko?
« on: February 11, 2013, 12:35:05 pm »
(and it's not my example).

Oops, sorry. That's what you get by not scrolling up.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Iso or Goko?
« on: February 11, 2013, 12:08:18 pm »
Good point! Supply and demand only works where there is no competition among producers. In a competitive market, selling above production price wouldn't work for long.

Can't tell if you are messing around or what here.


I wasn't referring to Goko but to the example you brought up. For Gone With the Wind BluRays, competitive markets only exist in countries low on anti-infringement enforcement.

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Just because no one else has the license doesn't mean we are all forced to buy at a $20/expansion price point though.

Of course. "Force" would mean "artificially increase demand".


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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Iso or Goko?
« on: February 11, 2013, 11:41:23 am »
But you didn't already buy it.  Just because you already bought Gone with the Wind on VHS doesn't mean they'll send you the BluRay for free.  There's nothing wrong with watching it on VHS, but if you want to watch the BluRay, you do have to pay for it again.

But why does the BluRay have to be so expensive compared with VHS? It takes less resources to manufacture the BluRay: no moving parts etc.

Are you serious?

For starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

Good point! Supply and demand only works where there is no competition among producers. In a competitive market, selling above production price wouldn't work for long.

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That's the price that people as a whole have deemed okay to pay. If you want them cheaper, start a large global movement where everyone stops buying BluRays until they are the price you want them at.

The downside is, if it is too cheap then they will just stop making them.

I am already busy stopping buying Ishtar BluRays, so I am uncertain if I'd have time for that.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Iso or Goko?
« on: February 11, 2013, 11:21:38 am »
But you didn't already buy it.  Just because you already bought Gone with the Wind on VHS doesn't mean they'll send you the BluRay for free.  There's nothing wrong with watching it on VHS, but if you want to watch the BluRay, you do have to pay for it again.

But why does the BluRay have to be so expensive compared with VHS? It takes less resources to manufacture the BluRay: no moving parts etc.

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Other Games / Re: Through the Ages online
« on: February 11, 2013, 03:15:21 am »
Any tie-breaker planned, for instance percentage of winner's culture points?

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Other Games / Re: Through the Ages online
« on: February 10, 2013, 09:34:46 am »
One set of triplings might run thus:

Round 1: 1-2-3 4-5-6 7-8-9
Round 2: 1-4-7 2-5-8 3-6-9
Round 3: 1-6-8 2-4-9 3-5-7
Round 4: 1-5-9 2-6-7 3-4-8

If I'm not mistaken, everyone plays everyone else once.

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Other Games / Re: Through the Ages online
« on: February 09, 2013, 11:27:54 am »
I've had a better idea though. I'm doing too much games stuff already, so I'll drop out, making it a nice 9 player tournament.

Game 1:
mith
Watno
Kirian

Game 2:
Jack Rudd
Kuildeous
Qvist

Game 3:
Jorbles
TINAS
Galzria

Round 1 as above. Ties share/halve points e.g. 1st/2nd tie gives 1.5 points. Each subsequent round, take the current leader (randomly if multiple), match them up with the two highest opponents they have not played yet. Then do the same for the next highest, and the bottom three will be left. If this process gives a game with exactly the same three players, do a thing to fix it so that doesn't happen. 4 rounds. Sound okay to everyone?

After four rounds, everyone could have played everyone else once. Would that be preferrable to Swiss-style?

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Build Opera
Build Riflemen
Take Engineering from card row
Take Rock&Roll Icon from card row
Elect Rock&Roll Icon

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ipofanes, please correct your sacrifice since you don't have a warrior.

Ok.

Settle one Riflemen, play one Age II Bonus card.

Gotta love DXV plurals.

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Other Games / Re: Through the Ages online
« on: February 08, 2013, 07:24:37 am »
You are welcome, but I take it you don't rate this as a game. But you are right, when I found myself winning a multiplayer game, I think of all the things that came my way just when I needed them, or events that are triggered just at the right time to hose everyone but me.

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Other Games / Re: Through the Ages online
« on: February 07, 2013, 04:25:14 pm »
I feel a tournament might be too much for me at the moment, so have fun!

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theorel passes as well,
please pay your bid and take your turn, ipofanes.

That'll be one Knight, one Warrior, and a II Bonus card.

Can you refresh the spreadsheet please, before I continue?

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Tigris & Euphrates
Pass   
Pass   
Boggle
Mao
Alhambra
Pass   
Pass

Don't know Mao, but sounds like fun. Don't know Battlestar Galactica but I have never liked the TV series.

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