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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)
« on: November 02, 2014, 10:19:34 pm »
Wow. Lose power for a few hours, go out to dinner, and lots happens. Including getting confused with Pingpongsam. Should I take that as a complement.
Okay, time for a reads post. All are fairly weak at this point.
Vets first (since I started with the vets or noobs thing)
ADK: I just looked back at all your posts. Mostly it seems you've defended Hugo (random setup thing) and defended Hydrad (don't be so sure of your town read on me). I've also defended both. I think that's the town position. So lean town a bit. But I'd like to see more analysis, to help people like me see how it's done.
Andrew: Similar to ADK (on opposite sides of the argument). He has spread his votes around a bunch, but maybe that's just his style (anybody know). Seems to be trying hard to keep people from getting town reads from things like the Hugo and Hydrad events-that strikes me as something scum would want. So I'd say lean scum a bit.
Qvist: Hasn't said much. Jumped off the first L-2 very quick, but I think I'd have done the same. I think it is very important to get some pressure, but also to not lynch early. No real read on him. Hasn't done/said much.
Hydrad: Came out early against my original "lynch a vet statement" with a reasonable (if obvious) argument. I like that. Then he gets to L-2, and has his minor flip out. From what the rest of you post, that's normal for him. I wouldn't know. Certainly there was no case on him. Then his "don't read me as town" thing, which was also odd. Certainly consistent. And I think town-ish, especially if he has been voted off early as town before in his few other games. I remember a few silly middle school FTF mafia games where, due to my complete inability to keep a straight face, I was routinely the first voted off; when the consensus started forming, I reacted exactly the same way. He also has a post explaining his top three scum where ADK is on the list for consistently thinking Hydrad is scum, and Andrew is on the list for consistently switching votes. I suppose that fits the personality vibes I'm getting from Hydrad, but seems less town-ish to me. There's a lot there, but it's chaotic. So I'd say I'm on the fence, but I'd be inclined to not lynch him to see if we can make sense of all that stuff.
SS: Another with a lot. A (not really) strike against him is not knowing my name . Also, why wouldn't you read the set-up? Doesn't knowing the setup help us as town? Since that is your MO, it doesn't mean anything in terms of scum/town read, but, read the setup! So pushing pit based on personal knowledge-fine, but we don't know him, so that doesn't really help us now. It certainly will if we lynch either of you and get the flip. Also strong on Hydrad, which I get (though don't agree with). His reasons there are also from previous games. This, while not necessary town-ish, is helpful. So I'd be disinclined to have an SS lynch. If pressed, I'd give a slight town read. But I don't really have reasons.
xxpittip: Nothing really. Showed up, argued with SS. Then gone again. WE NEED MORE! You say (message 158) that you want info. So help us get some!
Hugo: Also not a ton. But there was post 110 (a long post, hence the non-quote) where he gets way ahead of things suggesting scum early (IMO). Qvist-Hydrad pair (evidence: Qvist's unvote); and then Andrew is scummy, vote Andrew all in the same post. (and IMO, the reasons for Andrew being scum were entirely baseless, and that's from someone with a small scum read). There's the setup thing, which seems town to me, but post 110, when I look at it more and more, makes me feel scummy-ness from Hugo. More than I like myself feeling this early, when we have so little to go on, but probably one of my stronger scum reads.
Awaclus: My strongest townread. Seems totally helpful, reasonable, and though I disagree with his tendency to make stronger reads, he backs them up and questions them. All of that seems very town to me.
So. That was a long post. So SS probably thinks I'm scum now (see message 193)
Okay, time for a reads post. All are fairly weak at this point.
Vets first (since I started with the vets or noobs thing)
ADK: I just looked back at all your posts. Mostly it seems you've defended Hugo (random setup thing) and defended Hydrad (don't be so sure of your town read on me). I've also defended both. I think that's the town position. So lean town a bit. But I'd like to see more analysis, to help people like me see how it's done.
Andrew: Similar to ADK (on opposite sides of the argument). He has spread his votes around a bunch, but maybe that's just his style (anybody know). Seems to be trying hard to keep people from getting town reads from things like the Hugo and Hydrad events-that strikes me as something scum would want. So I'd say lean scum a bit.
Qvist: Hasn't said much. Jumped off the first L-2 very quick, but I think I'd have done the same. I think it is very important to get some pressure, but also to not lynch early. No real read on him. Hasn't done/said much.
Hydrad: Came out early against my original "lynch a vet statement" with a reasonable (if obvious) argument. I like that. Then he gets to L-2, and has his minor flip out. From what the rest of you post, that's normal for him. I wouldn't know. Certainly there was no case on him. Then his "don't read me as town" thing, which was also odd. Certainly consistent. And I think town-ish, especially if he has been voted off early as town before in his few other games. I remember a few silly middle school FTF mafia games where, due to my complete inability to keep a straight face, I was routinely the first voted off; when the consensus started forming, I reacted exactly the same way. He also has a post explaining his top three scum where ADK is on the list for consistently thinking Hydrad is scum, and Andrew is on the list for consistently switching votes. I suppose that fits the personality vibes I'm getting from Hydrad, but seems less town-ish to me. There's a lot there, but it's chaotic. So I'd say I'm on the fence, but I'd be inclined to not lynch him to see if we can make sense of all that stuff.
SS: Another with a lot. A (not really) strike against him is not knowing my name . Also, why wouldn't you read the set-up? Doesn't knowing the setup help us as town? Since that is your MO, it doesn't mean anything in terms of scum/town read, but, read the setup! So pushing pit based on personal knowledge-fine, but we don't know him, so that doesn't really help us now. It certainly will if we lynch either of you and get the flip. Also strong on Hydrad, which I get (though don't agree with). His reasons there are also from previous games. This, while not necessary town-ish, is helpful. So I'd be disinclined to have an SS lynch. If pressed, I'd give a slight town read. But I don't really have reasons.
xxpittip: Nothing really. Showed up, argued with SS. Then gone again. WE NEED MORE! You say (message 158) that you want info. So help us get some!
Hugo: Also not a ton. But there was post 110 (a long post, hence the non-quote) where he gets way ahead of things suggesting scum early (IMO). Qvist-Hydrad pair (evidence: Qvist's unvote); and then Andrew is scummy, vote Andrew all in the same post. (and IMO, the reasons for Andrew being scum were entirely baseless, and that's from someone with a small scum read). There's the setup thing, which seems town to me, but post 110, when I look at it more and more, makes me feel scummy-ness from Hugo. More than I like myself feeling this early, when we have so little to go on, but probably one of my stronger scum reads.
Awaclus: My strongest townread. Seems totally helpful, reasonable, and though I disagree with his tendency to make stronger reads, he backs them up and questions them. All of that seems very town to me.
So. That was a long post. So SS probably thinks I'm scum now (see message 193)