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Help! / Re: Baron/Haggler better than double-Jack?
« on: December 30, 2012, 12:30:01 pm »
Sometimes 15+/-2 loses to 16+/-2.
The sim is going to play neither card optimally, but manages to play Nav less wrongly.My point was that there might be a valuable conclusion to draw from investigating how/why it plays Nav less wrongly. If the bots are (as i assume they would be...) playing a very basic "just discard everything to nav, always flip the deck with chancellor" strategy, I would expect chancellor to win. If that isn't the case, I'd want to look at some logs to figure out why. Especially with a hunting party deck...
Perhaps more surprisingly, it also beats HP+Woodcutter and HP+Chancellor and is on par with HP+Nomad Camp.How can Navigator beat Chancellor in a simulator? The ONLY possible benefit of navigator over chancellor is "saving" a particularly good hand, rather than just discarding everything to reshuffle faster. Do the play rules for navigator actually allow such choices to be made properly by the AI?
What I want to know is how likely is it that he would have won had I bought 2 provs instead of harem curse?More than 0% likely.
Thing is, I think Dominion games are typically short enough that you can reduce the effect of luck by just playing more of them. One dominion game between may well come down to shuffle luck, best-of-three will give the better player a chance to catch up despite some bad luck, and if you move it up to, say, best-of-seven, then it's pretty unlikely that shuffle luck will decide the match.
even something as modest (and complicated) as rod_ suggests in reply#12, you actually get some issues - what happens is that the cards that miss the shuffle all get clumped at the start not only of the shuffle immediately after they miss, but also in the next shuffle.
None of the four different people who said "deal with it" gave any indication that they were joking. Also, if four people make the same joke, shouldn't it at least be funny? I don't think any of them were joking. They're all coming into this topic effectively just to say "I don't have a problem with that, you shouldn't either".The proposed "solution" is just ignoring the underlying problem.I would guess the proposed "solution" was mostly a joke, which of course partly reduces the problem, as the more you play the more likely the better player wins.
Play more fixes nothing....
Play more and (statistically speaking) you will see good luck even out the bad luck.
I bet the card they *really* wanted Donald to make was Walled Garden. Walled village had to suffice. Google's been 'over' search for years now.And that's all behind us. They got Walled Village, now you know. Go scream about it to Google if you want. If you want to scream at Goko, scream useful things that can actually result in the game being improved.
I expect a Google card would be Scavenger. Search for the card you want!
Or maybe Hunting Party or Sage.
It can't hurt. It's strictly better than a regular gain. Not by much, but you get your card somewhere between 0 and (length of shuffle) turns faster. There's also a nonzero chance that you get it in this shuffle and the next.I'd be interested to see how gaining a card to the bottom of your deck compares to regular gaining. Like you said, it causes it to miss the shuffle, but it also gives it to you during the current shuffle. I have no idea which you'd prefer.I think it hurts, but not a bunch. I don't really care either way, but I just thought gaining to the bottom was cute.
Maybe this is just a function of me not playing enough games anymore, but how many games actually come down to that piece of information being relevant? You have to have:An example is: did they take that $5 because they only had $5, or because they prefer it over gold? That can be a big hint to your opponent's intended strategy.I've started playing treasure awkward style lately to reduce the advantage there. It makes a small difference. And playing IRL makes me miss the luxury of keeping things secret.
i noticed you doing that in our games yesterday and am curious as to what small difference you think it makes. it actually made me step up and pay more attention to your totals and the state of your deck.