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Yeah, I like Carriage, too.

I'm not a huge fan of the name "Golden Hammer". If angrybirds is OK with it, I wouldn't mind a change there. Nicrosil actually submitted an identical card called "Restructure", and I had to tell him that the card had already been submitted. First time that's happened so far. Anyhow, I wouldn't mind that name. Or another name.

Or if angrybirds is really attached to the name, we can keep it. That's fine, too.

"Restructure" is a verb though, and thus not very prize-like. 

Is there a way we can combine Golden Hammer and Servicemen into one card?  Magic Lamp and Stalwart Mule look a bit similar as well, but there are enough subtle differences that I don't mind so much.  And then we can see if we can find a good name for it.

A nice thought, but I'm not sure how we'd combine them. I think "$4 more into your hand" is a bit much. If I had to "combine" them, I'd just take Servicemen, which I like a bit better, but I'm not going to rob angrybirds of his hard-earned Victory.

i dont have secret history and am not excessively attached to the name

really the card is simple taking the idea from remodel the to expand then to golden hammer

i like the idea of being able to trash tournaments especially into provinces but if servicemen is preferred and as they share the same common element i dont mind having that card go into the group and mine not

i was happy to be among the winning cards but i think it would be better to take a card that received less votes with a distinct element or effect for the overall project than to have two cards that are extremely similar both be included

i wouldnt be offended if my card was replaced by one of the cards with eight votes i know i voted for favour and that ha a very distinct element as it is kinda a oneshot

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because before i wasnt sure where we were at with votes and after last nights quick hammer i wanted to prevent that

now eevee said it was ok to vote and the mods said all votes had been set to zero so i dont need to worry about that anymore

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in terms of actual game play eevee just said that the best player to vote for would be between me and xeiron. that could be true and after my reread last night i felt most strongly toward lynching xeiron. yuma i guess is a possibility but i think xeiron is more of one

am i at a point where i can vote?

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vote: xeiron

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i am still in but i am not happy.

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Here's some of Yuma's exact words on me:

"I then respond and say that your reason was crappy. It was."

"This is really quite hilarious. You seem to think you are scum hunter extraordinaire"

, "whatever man, I'll keep responding to your crap because it isn't just you that decides."

But whatever, I think Yuma has done a brilliant job deflecting from the real case I built against him and now no one will consider it because he buried it in pages of rants.  Ok. I shouldn't have let him do that.  It's clearly my fault for playing along.
You can ignore MC's deathbed plea for Yuma's innocence, but don't let that distract from the real effort he makes to cover for Yuma (in the middle of the block quote).  I don't think Y can refute that, so the answer seems to be throw up everything possible to distract.

just drop it already, yuma apologized and moved on. maybe you should as well

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i am biased because i am yuma's brother and i can acknowledge that bias and i stand on his side of this debate

it probably helps that i also knw him in real life and he is a pretty good guy that tries really hard to treat people fair and kindly. he even gets upset at himself when he gets mad at someone in traffic and it will eat at him all day i guess you could say he is a bit on the sensitive side

i will also say that in all of this yuma is the only one that has apologized, maybe spiribears feels that he shouldnt have to apologize but obviously both sides are at fault to a degree

sorry if i shouldnt be saying that sort of stuff bro

but from an outsiders, but biased like i said, perspective, i feel that spirbears has been egging him on excessively. and he does have it in for yuma. he wants him dead and out of the game regardless of whether yuma is mafia or not. this isnt the right way to play i think

in terms of actual game play eevee just said that the best player to vote for would be between me and xeiron. that could be true and after my reread last night i felt most strongly toward lynching xeiron. yuma i guess is a possibility but i think xeiron is more of one

am i at a point where i can vote?

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hi

i will introduce myself as i think only shraeye and eevee know me but only a little, i played in the first arcana game

oh and yuma knows me but too well maybe as i am his brother. :to be clear we havent discussed this game at all before my joining it, except for him to text me saying that this game and another one needed a replacement and wondering if i might be willing to join in: i am really joining this game as a favor to him as i am still a little too busy to be playing a mafia game heavily but i think i will be more participatory than the player i am replacing. mostly i will be able to post once or twice a day in the evenings but dont expect much more than that

i finished a reread before i officially joined, so i am pretty well caught up right now i am most suspicious of xeiron because he wasnt on the mcmcsalot lynch and because mcmcsalot had some reads on him that i found to be a little interesting

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anyway thanks for letting me play. this will probably be my last, and only, game I play. at least until school is over.  it was fun!

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Oh, and Angrybirds. Dear, sweet Angrybirds. The hilarity of you locking onto me as scum D1 was almost too much to bear. I was convinced at one point that Cayvie must've mentioned me somehow in your PM because it was just to ironic that you would push to lynch the one person who had loved you your whole life!

yes. that is funny. I decided early that I would lock onto someone day 1 and not leave it until I felt I had a pretty good reason to do so, but as the game went into day 2 & 3 you had such a townie read on me I thought you mist either know my role or be mafia buddying up to me. if there had not been so many other good options to lynch each day I probably would have pressed you harder on it.

and just to say this but if we had lynched volt day 3 instead of pps, like I wanted, we probably would have won by lynching pps day 4. sigh... I blame myself for casting the hammer vote instead of trying harder to get volt.

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Ah man!!!

too bad there was nothing we could do here, and i had even found volt out in what i think was a blatant lie! see

I wish I had time to finish my "...reading from the beginning..." posts, but unfortunately real life has conspired against that - so let me summarize recent thoughts as:

- (yuma's gambit) Exactly the kind of thing I tried to do in a recent (not yet finished) game where I was Town.

- (sparky case) Like it not.  yuma's case on Galz makes a lot more sense to me.  Galz citing raw statistics in response (post counts) feels slightly scummy to me - citing raw numbers without taking into account how many posts were RVS or non-substantive?  Misleading. 

yuma and I have had our different views in the past but I approve of his thinking here.

Vote: Galzria

But when I targeted yuma Night 2 (in retrospect of sparky's flip, I thought yuma's pushing sparky's wagon along only to abandon it towards day's-end was scummy) and saw the "heart attack" flavor, I was even more confused.  It was only after rereading Eevee and realizing he would never have targeted yuma that I concluded the serial killer is, in all likelihood, Major Arcana and able to use otherworldly killing abilities.  His flavor trumped mine on Night 2.  I don't know what happened to his kill on Night 1 - maybe Insom doctored it in his last gasps as Mafia Doc.

i remembered that before volt had agreed with yuma's stunt and decided to vote for galz; but then said later that he thought that was scummy and NKed him

i was going to post it last night, but instead decided to wait for morgrim to claim and just twiddled my thumbs instead

but volt! i was onto you! {rage}

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{twiddling thumbs}

Morgrim generally gets on at about 6 or 7 forum time i believe, hopefully he will post soon

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for starters I am the two of swords, vanilla townie

in respect to the night kill information, something struck me that I had been mildly aware of all game in how galz perceived me. if you remember i was on him pretty hard at the beginning of this game, but he has been protown toward me throughout all of it, this is what i think is going on

galz was an urequited lover. From wiki mafia a lover is someone who is tied to another person and dies if that person commits suicide "Lovers are players who are linked to each other. If one Lover dies, the Lover(s) linked to it die simultaneously." but he was stabbed in the back, not something you do for suicide! Unrequited I would imagine means that other person doesn't realize it. from what i understand this typically means that the two lovers are both similarly aligned.
Galzria has been stabbed in the back!
Galzria has been killed. He was the Ten of Cups, Unrequited Lover


i believe that i was galz's unrequited love, with that in mind i went back and reread galz's posts and here is what i found

Yes Volt, I've already given my feelings on ABirds. And yes, I'm leaving him off because I consider him town.

Vote: Angry Birds

Tell me, which faction does he belong to?

Oh yeah, Vote: Pingpongsam

I wonder if mine continues to count after I die...

And a million curses on Ftl and Axxle, once again. But the scum are PPS/abirds.

PPS - maybe. ABirds? Really don't think so.

ABirds is town.
Oh, right, sorry, I was focusing on another post of yours.

I know I seem defensive over ABirds, it's just that I've seen a lot of "he's suspicious" but no legitimate reasons given, and I personally have a town read on him (even though he parked his vote on me most of D1 and kept trying to push others to vote for me too. >.>)

I could be wrong, I just really don't think that I am.

Galz I think you are misunderstanding me... or rather i mistyped...

I do not have a suspicion vote on him. In my response to Grujah I said I would like to know his alignment. And just now when I said I would take my vote off him, I meant to remove my vote from him being the one Grujah reveal's alignment of.

I do not find him scummy. I find him town. I-personally-wanted to know his alignment, but in regards of providing town the best info, it wouldn't be best to use it on a-birds. Sorry if that was confusing.

Sorry, bit drunk, but my question wasn't just to you (I just quoted since you were most current), but to everyone who has put Abirds on #3 or #7 of Grujah's questionnaire... Why? I just have a stronger town read on him personally than most here, although I admit I forgive lurkiness as more town than scum (based on past results). I just don't think I've seen a case on him that shows why he's scum outside of that reason - so I'm curious if there is one?

Grujah I would have preferred that you sat on this for a bit. It looked like for a while that a wagon had a chance to develop on you. It would have been interesting to see who would have joined it. As is, we should point out that both sparky and Morgrim cast suspicions at you, as did I as well... before your reveal.

I would take my vote off angrybirds if there is an actual way to confirm someone's alignment. He is the one I-personally am most interested in discovering--but as for the town itself. Eevee and Galz are at the top of my list to learn alignment.

Could we use these lists later on down the road to see who was willing to out who's alignment? Say a mafia is lynched and sparky was willing to let us discover that person's alignment, doesn't that give at least a little bit of credibility to them, or am I reading too much into that?

What about ABird's play makes you question his alignment? I haven't heard a real case except that he's "lurky", which is such a BS reason to truly suspect SCUMMINESS. Is it "Not-do-great" town play? Yeah, maybe. But how many lurkers have actually been scum? 1? 2? Out of how many games?

And he hadn't even been completely absent lurky either. He posts once a day and usually gives reasonable opinions at the time. He didn't think eHunt was all that scummy afaik, and preferred the Insomniac lynch (despite the logic stating otherwise) which is more than most of us (myself included) can say!

Seriously, he appears very quiet, but townie, to me. What's the case for him being a serious question mark on alignment?

I get a very strong (probably larger than most others here) town read on ABirds, and actually DON'T think he's a good target for this form of pseudo investigation because of it.

I actually think Angrybirds is town.  :o

wow, that was a really long post and hard to put together
but in summary i believe i am galz's unrequited lover, which would make me very much town one of has to be right--although I suppose ftl could be as well? but again, galz didn't suicide, he was back stabbed.

could i be wrong? perhaps, but i feel pretty strongly about this

at this point i would vote for voltgloss, but I guess we are following axxle so i will wait to vote until i get an all clear?




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I always wanted to hammer, I prefer Volt, but am ok with this.

vote: PPS

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my vote stays on voltgloss, to echo axxle or galz o maybe both I could see him easily as sk. morgrim is an option but I see it less, I mean voting ftl doesn't seem like something scum would do. it looks like typical morgrim town play. In addition, and this is mostly metabat this point, followed mx pretty close where morgrim was frustrated to be vanilla townie again! he posted as such and then ended up being so. this game started before mx so if he had been given a role other than vt in this game why would he be frustrated in the next.

PPS would be my second choice. But I far away prefer a volt lynch.

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Galz, someday you need to teach me in the finer arts of reading Robz, because I clearly have a blind spot where he is concerned.

Vote: PPS.  Nothing has changed regarding his scummy behavior.

except that one of the main focal points of your argument was that he was mafia. apparently that is highly unlikely. does he also fit the mold for ww?

I stll find you to be the scummiest of everyone alive.
vote: voltgloss

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Wait! Not everyone has had a voice. oh well if you felt that was best then ok. but my suggestion was that either you decide on your own or we get a consensus from town

Oh shut up scum. Don't try to wiggle out of your responsibilities here. You and Galzria are just as guilty of getting me killed. Ftl and Axxle are hasty fools, but we know they're town (Axxle certainly, Ftl probably). Do you have a mitigating excuse?

i'll accept responsibility sure... and credit when you flip scum. but I am disappointed we didn't allow the rest of the town to have a voice. all we needed was one most from people with their punch vote, it would not have taken that long and would provide more information for town to use.

axxle I am frustrated with you, it is like you think you can just play crazy and randomly since you are confirmed town, are you taking this game seriously (yes it is a game so don't take it too seriously) I just don't get you

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Wait! Not everyone has had a voice. oh well if you felt that was best then ok. but my suggestion was that either you decide on your own or we get a consensus from town

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yep it doesn't end the day, got confirmation from cayvie

ok i still think robz would be best to use it on and would prefer that either you decide who to use it on completely on your own or have every player cast a pseudo vote like I did in italics

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does a day kill end the day and should we all vote for it formally as in punch: robz?

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i thought for sure there would be new content to read and respond to but there is nothing going on here. Where is everyone Did scum kill off all our big talkers?
looks like there are 2 votes on ftl with still no response

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that is what i get for trying to rush a post before class, i apologize for mistakes, lets see if we can clear the air

(1) Yes, I never voted for sparky, I meant to say that I had voted for Galz. It was a simple mistake and one that you just made as well. I confused sparky/Galz while you confused me and sparky, so this is a mute point
Robz and I agreed and moved our votes to abirds.

(2) all i was trying to say about your vote not being on sparky at the time of Galz's scumslip detection was that you weren't on the wagon either at the time of the detection. You do give a timeline of the events, but you do not bring specific attention to it in the way that you brought attention to frisk, ftl and myself.

Up until sparky basically committed seppuku with the confession post, it was not at all clear he was going to be lynched.  The largest wagon was on him, sure, but multiple players had said publicly they didn't like it, with most of the town (7 of us) split between the Robz and Galz wagons.  From this I conclude that it is unlikely the last Mafioso was on sparky's wagon at the time of the confession post.  What incentive would he have to bus?  His colleague's lynch was by no means a certainty, the deadline was fast approaching, and with multiple scumfactions around he gets no "town cred" by being on a successful scum-lynching wagon.

From this I took that it is very easy to include you with us three, but you don't. Is it because you "know" you aren't mafia? Well I don't know you aren't mafia, so I am including you with us.


(3) these quotations seem to be in disagreement
My point is that Insom's partners could comfortably leave their votes on Insom while the rest of the town lynched ehunt, knowing that if Insom was nightkilled (which was likely) they would look good the following day - and also knowing that their votes weren't actually causing the lynch of their teammate.  Was my vote on Insom then?  No, it was with the bulk of the town on ehunt.  Whose votes were on Insom then?  His scummate sparky; and abirds and ftl.

On reread I see abirds also changed his vote from Insom to shraeye before the very end of the day.  So this argument holds most strongly for ftl, not abirds.

according to the first a scum angrybirds would have been smart to leave his vote on insomniac to the end of day, but I didn't as you point out in the second quote; i changed my vote to shraeye who was a townie, but was acting scummy at day end. But the second quote says that changing my vote from insomniac to shraeye invalidates an argument that I am town

(4) the vote on C-frisk by sparky was removed only because of some immediate, major pressure from yuma. w/o his criticism I could see sparky leaving that vote there just hoping that morgrim would come along and hammer and then we would all blame morgrim and forget sparky

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So voltgloss is suspecting ftl, frisk and myself for being mafia.

the reason for this suspicion is that we werent on the sparky wagon at the time of confession post. but he does not point out that neither was Voltgloss. at the time of sparky's confession, volt's vote was on Galz. Galz then pointed out the confession and Robz and voltgloss jump onto it and lynch scum.  is it possible that voltgloss was the final buss vote for his own partner? it seems as plausible as ftl, myself or frisk being sparky's partner. i realize that the deadline was in 2 hours, but that was a pretty quick hammer for someone who was obviously going to be lynched by deadline. he didnt even offer a "does anyone have anything else left to say before I hammer" post. Voltgloss seemed to be extremely worried that another player would hammer sparky instead resulting in voltgloss becoming one of us that didn't vote that he is now suspicious of.

Two more things that volt fails to point out: 1 that I voted sparky before Galz showed his statement as a scumtell. I didn't see it as a scumtell at that time and was not on again until after day2 was done. Voltgloss had the advantage of being online and seeing Galz' interpretation and being there for the opportunity for the hammer I wasnt.

Second, I highly doubt that mafia sparky would put frisk to L-1 if he was his partner, especially with morgram in the game.

one more point: voltgloss feels that voting for insomniac day 1 is not enough evidence against being partners with sparky and insomniac. instead he implies that scum would be on that wagon early day1 to establish town cred. ftl and myself were on that wagon. but so was voltgloss.

vote: voltgloss for not telling the whole story and trying to lead town in potentially the wrong direciton

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If peroit is placed on say the curse pile would it be gained instead of a curse when witch is played? The clarification only says bought but implies gained as well

It doesn't say 'Gain a card from the curse pile', the cards instruct to gain a curse. It'd be skipped.

then I would assume boarder village gains could skip peroit as well?

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If peroit is placed on say the curse pile would it be gained instead of a curse when witch is played? The clarification only says bought but implies gained as well

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