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Mafia Game Threads / Re: f.ds Mafia Hub
« on: August 10, 2021, 07:49:07 pm »
I won't be able to run Stargate until September at the earliest.  Setup is in good shape though.

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1. Apartheid
2. Plurality Vote


Oh, Humans for #1.

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1. Apartheid
2. Plurality Vote

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Forum Games / Re: RMM ??: Stargate Mafia (Gauging Interest Phase)
« on: June 28, 2021, 09:41:19 pm »
A few updates posted to various setup stuff.

Also, this game is now confirmed to be for 14 players.

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I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.

I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?

You know, if you are mafia, this is the epitome of "caught for the wrong reasons" complaining.

Does your partial claim do anything?

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So it's basically LL because he supported no-exile in the beginning or...?

That doesn't seem like the strongest case to me, as it seems like a big red flag for a mafia player to wave.  So it reads more like town thinking they were being helpful.  Plus, mafia!LL is especially careful not to stand out, I think.  That may be outdated info though.

What are the alternatives?  My MiX vote is a holdover that seems to be going nowhere.  Seems Jack is getting a reprieve.

I could sheep EFHW as my only strong town read.

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Sorry for the long delay, unexpected weekend trip so I was unavailable.  I'm caught up and will be around for a few hours.  I don't think I'll be on at deadline, as that's 4 a.m. my time.

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I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

This is a good post, very town!EFHW to me.  The only really strong post that stood out in all the ones I missed, actually.

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All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Ash seems very off here, but Iím not sure if it is in a scummy way.

That tracks.

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All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Not what I am doing - but more importantly, got a good laugh out of the fact that this post is you... "obliquely supporting Jack while while maintaining a throwaway vote on ADK".

Also what is NGBED1LL?

I'm voting MiX?  So no voting ADK.

"Not Going to Be Exiled Day 1 LaLight"

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All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

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ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

For the first time ever, MiX and I agree?  Scary.

Seriously though, if we were revealing to test Jack, we definitely go the other way around -- they are the claimant.  If we give info, he uses it to claim.

I mean, I can just lie to test/trick him, but still.  WIFOM.

Besides, if you look at the list of cards, I'm sure you can think of reasons why mafia want to know what cards are not in play.

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So, anyone want to both claim military and make an argument for being my successor?

Also, work has been nuts, sorry for the less than normal activity.  I should be back to normal next week.

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Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

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Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

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vote: MiX because RVS and because MiX.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 6!!!!
« on: June 22, 2021, 12:39:12 am »
So, kudos to ash. A formidable opponent. (The rest of you too, but ash took me down).

Thanks.  It was a good battle -- I was projecting more confidence than I had that I would win the fight.  I mean, I would have triggered my IC at some point if I had to, but still.

Also, I liked the freedom of having the triggered IC in my pocket but never using it.  Helped a lot.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 6!!!!
« on: June 21, 2021, 04:55:26 am »
I look forward to learning the way night actions played out, if possible.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 6!!!!
« on: June 21, 2021, 02:21:53 am »
Woot!

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Forum Games / Re: RMM ??: Stargate Mafia (Gauging Interest Phase)
« on: June 11, 2021, 09:01:41 pm »
I like Stargate so I would probably play.

Plus if your the mod I can't tunnel you super hard.

OR CAN I?

All the answers are YES.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« on: May 27, 2021, 11:24:26 am »
When does it become townís responsibility to learn my meta and stop executing me?

Thatís my goal with all of you people.

I sure hope you donít go changing your meta to fit a mold, it would mess with my reads.

Preach.

It's not up to a person to change their meta to have people townread them, it's up to others to distinguish a person's town and scum meta. That person just needs to do the same: distinguish other people's town and scum meta. If everyone stops blaming town for getting scumread, we would all improve as a community and we would kill scum. Nowadays it just seems like town does whatever and then scum wins.

I just 100% disagree with all of this.

If itís up to all other players but you, are you even playing?  Or are you just a prop in everyone elseís game?

ďI know I am town, everyone else should just know no matter what I doĒ is not an acceptable way to play this game, in my opinion.  If that were the case, I could claim mafia, vote only to exile ICs, etc. and not be held accountable.

Hold yourself accountable.  This is a team game, even when you donít know your teammates.  (Single player factions notwithstanding)  Everyone should play in a way to not hurt your teammatesí chances of winning.  Donít blame your teammates for your play when it is bad.  I speak from experience.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« on: May 27, 2021, 01:35:46 am »
Amazing how much evidence seems to be cropping up.

Amazing how much evidence to the contrary is not cropping up.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« on: May 27, 2021, 01:23:11 am »
My role works like this (even though you told me to stop telling you this)

I am a 2 shot poison doctor (it works on the night they would have been targeted or the night they would have died, woooo)

If I use both shots on someone, they die.

I can never target 3 people with my ability, I am confused as to why you are confused.

Like this:

Itís N1 - I target Cube (one of the two shots is spent)
N2 - I wait
N3 I target cube, they die (second of two shots is spent I now have no ability)

Thatís how that works.


So here's the basic gist of the claim right?  Breaking it down into separate parts:

2-Shot / Poison Doctor / Vigilante

He has two shots of a power.  Let's give this a name: Inject.  The details of this specific part:
--He can "inject" one target at night.
--He can do this two times during the course of the game.
--He can only do this once per night.

Okay.  Now, what are the effects of the "inject" power?
--If, on the night a player is injected, they would have been poisoned OR would have died from poison, they will be saved.
--If, on the night a player is injected, they have previously been injected, they will die.

Those are the only two possible outcomes with actual results, right?

So, design-wise, we can thinking of it differently.  An Injector is a doctor with four modifications:
--Can only protect against certain types of kills (poison)
--Can protect on both the night of poisoning and the night of death
--Can only target a specific player once
--Can only be used twice during the game

So, it's a severely underpowered doctor.  On the flipside, it is also a type of vigilante.  An Injector is a vigilante with two modifications:
--Must successfully target the same player twice.
--Can only be used once during the game.

So, it's a blend of a 2-Shot Doctor and 1-Shot Vigilante, both of which are modified to be weakened, so much so that a normal 2-Shot Doc or 1-Shot Vig would be preferred as a choice JOAT-style.

In a normal style game, this design might make sense.  If the timelines division is applied, however, we find that the role is severely weakened.  I think so much so that it appears like a partial role, or a factional role (or roles), or a made-up role.  I prefer not to assume bad design.  In fact, this claim sounds like a mash up of JOAT powers offered either to a player or a faction.  So mafia.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 58: Memento Mafia - Day 3!
« on: May 26, 2021, 08:12:35 pm »
Well, I guess I did one too many scum slips there, haha. Sorry, team.

Hope you have luck finding my partners.

Wouldnít change how I played, that though.

This is the immediate reaction to being hammered.

I don't think this reads like a joke, nor did anyone else at the time.  I think looking at who was willing to support the joke theory with little argument is worthwhile for partner hunting -- even if Uncle didn't immediately realize that twilight might mean something, a partner could have .

This sounds more to me like a "yeah, you got me, but I'm still the better player and I'm still right, you just got lucky" kind of spite.

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