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I don't see any reason to think that prs are tied to specific cards but more importantly people should stop talking about it

vote: Joseph for forgetting to do his SK joke

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:25:08 pm »
e did you really vote for yourself for those duels? I am very interested to hear scum's perspective on the dueling mechanic

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:24:35 pm »
I had a different model with e, mcmc in 80% of scum teams, so are you all both scum?

Yea me, e, and efhw. Powerhouse scum team

I kinda want to throw my mvp tick to joseph lol, we did shoot joth but we weren’t sure we hit the jk or not until joseph outed him. Then we could use our strongman to get him.

Honestly I think you get my mvp, you had me completely fooled

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:18:31 pm »
efhw I'm guessing

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:16:45 pm »
I need to stop townreading you like, ever

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:16:23 pm »
Boooooo

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:01:59 pm »
Save it for night chat.

If you're town there's not going to be another night.

But you're not town, are you?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 08:55:45 pm »
Feel like unvoting e?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 04:53:29 pm »
vote: efhw

I also think it’s robz/efhw/(debate/e) I don’t want to reveal which one I think is more likely between debate and e.

I mean if it's robz/efhw/debate they just won

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 11:52:49 am »
Went back through debates post and looked up some of the references and I really like some of his conclusions.

ADK, do you think debate is town or scum?

If town, which scum pairing that he eliminates in his rationale is a (or the) bad removal. Because he ends with you scum no matter which way you look at it.

The ADK, mcmc, EFHW team looks very intriguing to me at the moment.

I'd like to think debate is scum just for my ego's sake but I'm less certain there than on robz/efhw. If he's town then you're much more likely to be scum just by poe

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 11:50:15 am »
So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

joseph's claim read way more like the conspiracy theory could be true in retrospect but if that's the case I'm pretty sure that we're doomed

I'm ready to vote EFHW or Robz

So of the two you think EFHW is more lynch-able or more likely to flip scum?

Or you just don't want to give the appearance of OMGUS

More likely to flip scum, but I could vote either way

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 10:42:47 am »
vote: efhw

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 10:36:08 am »
But it was just a dream.

I'm ready to vote

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 05:17:05 pm »
So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

What about e?

Also, which posts from MCMC feel like “genuine scumhunting”. And which posts from Robz/EFHW see like partner interaction.

e's about as likely to be the third partner as you are. Maybe a little more.

When it comes to mcmc, I'd honestly have a hard time picking out exactly what makes him read towny to me right now. If I had to point to anything specific it was his D1 posts where he seem to be prodding people and scrutinizing reactions

For Robz/EFHW I suppose I would point specifically to their D1 fight about the duel and some of their posts yesterday about awaclus

I realize that not posting links to specific posts isn't particularly helpful but honestly I'm starting to feel exhausted by this game

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 04:19:18 pm »
So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

joseph's claim read way more like the conspiracy theory could be true in retrospect but if that's the case I'm pretty sure that we're doomed

I'm ready to vote EFHW or Robz

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 07:02:20 pm »
I think I'm next for vote claiming, I voted no

I have had a terrible record of reading mcmc in both the distant and recent past so I need to figure out if he's buddying me

Tomorrow is my day off so I will have time to post something of more substance

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 10:00:49 am »
There it is. I’m obvi town to ADK, except in the endgame. He’s voted for every town Lynch, two hammers, and even sheep’s Joseph as “cover” on the awaclus vote.

You need to chill a little, it's lylo, of course I'm going to be reconsidering my reads

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 07, 2019, 09:52:34 pm »
I haven't had a chance to digest my notes yet. Are you trying to suggest a scum narrative for e? How does it go?

1. IMO: all town was on e in the e v awaclus duel.
2. All town was off pubby when e hammers pubby.

That's FOS worthy. But I haven't had time to make all my notes yet.

It is in a interesting point that if debate is town, all the scum were indeed voting for pubby. Does scum!e see that both of his partners are on the wagon, and decide to hammer? That seems at least a little unlikely.

Debate's alignment is something that I think I need to examine closely, I think if I can settle myself one way or the other there that might help me figure out what's going on in this game. Unfortunately I don't really have the time/energy for a detailed reread at this point but I will try to get to it soon.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 06, 2019, 09:28:12 am »
These duels have been really bad for us.  They artificially constrict the scumhunting. A whole bunch of people,  meaning most of us who are still alive,  have gotten very little scrutiny.
Agreed. We wanted to talk about all the people that have been on town mislynches, but yesterday we only talked about 2 of those people. And then misylnched again

Which os something I'm guilty of doing too

At this point, the list of people who have been on at least one mislynch is every living player

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 05, 2019, 01:37:44 am »
I can't decide if the silence is worrisome or encouraging

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 06:17:50 pm »
I think it's wishful thinking to suppose that they are both scum, but it doesn't feel like it a little bit since they aren't going after each other very hard.

I guess the question is, if they're both scum, how does the third partner react? Probably voting early and confidently, which we haven't really seen from anyone, so that pokes a hole in that theory

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 03:31:16 pm »
So, the good news is I did a reread and came away with the conviction that there's a fairly decent chance that e and awaclus are both scum

Both awaclus and e have a lot of posts D1 and D2 that are low-content; joke posts and posts talking about the duels and the setup, with very little posts giving actual reads in between. Both voted early on datswan, yet were involved in very little of the following discussion

There's also very little interaction between the two of them throughout the game (until today obviously), with the exception of an interesting exchange at the start of D2

What struck me is that

1) It seems too immediately aware of the implications of the kill. e's post assumes awaclus's reasoning behind the vote, and that assumption goes unchallenged. It has the feeling of being a staged interaction to me

2) When the duel goes through, e lands on a glooble vote anyway, when he was willing to vote awaclus for voting there before

Awaclus:

The thread that most interested me on a reread is awaclus's interactions with mix and his subsuquent pushing of glooble. Awaclus's first post of the game is a (presumably RVS) vote for mix. He has quite a few posts after this that are pretty much contentless as far as reads or votes go. Then, he revotes for mix after mix votes him, with pretty flimsy reasoning. His position is that revealing duel votes is bad and something that scum would want, but at this point almost every player except him has expressed at least a willingness to claim their votes, and awaclus gives no reason to single out mix as particularly scummy

Then, on D2, awaclus pushes glooble. As summed up nicely by debate here, awaclus has a lot to say about how mix's reads in relation to glooble's scumminess (which he then disclaims without providing any alternative reasoning). Given that mix was scumreading awaclus, there's a reasonable scum narrative that awaclus is trying to deflect attention away from that aspect of the NK while pushing a fairly achievable mislynch

e:

A lot of e's posts have a feeling to me of being a sort of performative, “look at me, I'm so unconcerned and towny” vibe. Has a lot of posts that seem to be more about making an effort to appear active than actually pushing any sort of cases. Multiple DAMAs, claims to have voted for two duels that included himself. There isn't a strong thread like the awaclus-mix-glooble thing because he never seems particularly concerned about pushing anyone's lynch, only jumping on wagons after they've already been started

At the end of the day, I would happily vote for either of them, which I know is kind of a cop out, but I honestly think we may have hit the jackpot in a scum vs. scum duel

Our IC is on awaclus, so all other things being equal, I'm going to follow him there

vote: awaclus

L-1

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 12:49:39 pm »
Anyway I'm going to do my reread now, hopefully I come to something useful regarding e vs. awaclus

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 12:49:03 pm »
This is what's bugging me about robz this game: he keeps trying to reframe the debate about the duels in a way that's contrary to people's actual stated positions. It's never been "pro-duel vs. anti-duel", it's "people who want to duel every time no matter what vs. people who want to vote based on their reads"

And why do you say that awaclus's voting records on the duels is "anti-duel" when it's mostly unrevealed?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 12:46:26 pm »
it is pro-town to be pro-duel

[citation needed]

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