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General Discussion / Re: Pokémon GO friends?
« on: Today at 04:12:28 pm »
Add me please, i'd rather send gifts to folks in this community.

Trainer Name: debatepr0 (Zero at the end)
Trainer Code: 8520 9101 1292


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Forum Games / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia
« on: June 26, 2019, 09:08:57 am »
/in

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 10, 2019, 09:28:46 am »
vote: MiX

Keep an eye on SS, very similar to Philosophers.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 10, 2019, 08:50:33 am »
VT, not worst vote today. Would have preferred to draw the night kill. Good luck Town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 10, 2019, 01:29:44 am »
vote count please

Vote count 1.81 (unofficial)

MiX (1): pingpongsam
DatSwan (1): 2.71828.....
jotheonah (2): pubby, A Drowned Kernel
2.71828..... (1): Uncleeurope
pubby (6): silverspawn, mcmcsalot, Glooble, MiX, gkrieg13, Debatepro,
Debatepro (2): jotheonah, EFHW

Not Voting (2): DatSwan, ashersky

* My handle is misspelled in the official vote count.

** V/LA Most of the day today. Driving in a country i don't live or speak the language.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 10, 2019, 01:23:24 am »
Vote: pubby

Reason: I certainly have given SS enough reasons to vote for me, yet he is sticking with his pubby vote. Given how much pubby has said and contributed to the game, I'm not sure scum!ss would be sticking with a pubby vote, unless they suspect a pr.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 10, 2019, 12:24:48 am »
ISO debate and tell us what you think.

Town or traitor

Basically, I think the traitor question reads like an "I'm the traitor you guys!" post from a new-ish player trying to figure out how to play the role (incorrectly).  So traitor is on the table.

I don't see as much scumminess in the rest of the posts as compared to others, but maybe me not being directly involved in the quotes helps me there.

If I was assigned some role and any role, you can bet your ass I would read and research everything I could about it, like looking for other games it was deployed, before asking how it worked. It doesn’t do me any good to tip my hand. If you think it’s signaling, I wasn’t the one who started the discussion about traitor. Probably doesn’t matter, SS thinks it was towny-ish.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 02:04:14 pm »
debatepro, what are you actually imagining is happening here? Even if you disagree with me that the question wasn't answered, how could that possibly be interesting enough to talk so much about?

Why was it so important he answer it again to you?

Do you have a better case on someone else I should be examining? I mean you have been pushing me, which is wrong. I’ve never played with a traitor, asked a question, and that makes me candidate 1 to you.

So when I flip town, you will have waited all this time on me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 10:07:50 am »
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SS isn’t this flawed as Town

vote: debate. Even if he did appropriate my question,  that's not very scummy.

The evidence is below.

SS continues to pester (98 & 315) MCMC about how serious was he about the block plan, but MCMC already said it, not once but twice (253 & 271). They MCMC & SS where functionally taking about MiX being scummy about lying in that same timeframe (MCMC-258 & SS-261).

When confronted with this fact (MiX 317), SS says that wasn't his question (yes it was) and morphs the question into EFHWs question (260). Why is SS push MCMC when MCMC answered the question twice while SS was on? Why does SS ask EFHW's question, partners?


The Dialogs: (Read this section bottom up)

SS (320) - Not quite answer, want to know what would they have done if people went along?

MiX (317) - they did in 271.

SS (315) - 2 days later - Please answer my ?

SS (276) 1009am - dialog mix policy vote, don’t lie or not keep promises as Town.

MCMC (275) 1006am - answers db8’s question about how scum hunting can be non-protown

MCMC (271) 956am - had some town reads, block could have led to interesting interactions for future examination

SS (261) 911am - Vote MiX for “there is no reason for me to follow through with my word”

EFHW (260) 908am - How did you imagine the plan working?

MCMC (258) 854am - Questions MiX for “there is no reason for me to follow through with my word”

MCMC (253) 758am - Vote: EFHW & Serious

SS (98) - how serious was your block?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 07:32:55 am »
What's with people being so difficult about answering questions in this game? Have you been scum before or not?

I answered you and provided links to the games so you could go read them yourself. I was partners with e, EFHW, and Eddie over those 2 games. See links next to less pressure in my post.

To be fair, I don't think I can read those games without signing up. So, at least for me, those games don't exist. Man I gotta get in that, but I kinda promised myself I wouldn't invest so much in these types of games...



If I said I was never scum, it would be untrue. So I provided links to the games I was partners with e, EFHW, and Eddie. They happen to be on a different platform.

Quote from: MiX
Vote: SS

This is a very interesting vote. Care to explain in extreme detail?

I did. SS and MCMC both vote for you for the same reason, yet SS doesn’t see that MCMC answers his question. SS then appropriated EFHW’s question as his own in response to you pointing out MCMC answered his question. SS isn’t this flawed as Town.

It’s also as I hypothesized. Scum is willing to vote for you in case there is a lynch, but they prefer town lynch you.


(On phone in different country, doing best to keep up)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 05:38:37 am »
What's with people being so difficult about answering questions in this game? Have you been scum before or not?

I answered you and provided links to the games so you could go read them yourself. I was partners with e, EFHW, and Eddie over those 2 games. See links next to less pressure in my post. Also, you didn’t answer my questions, which point out an interesting interaction and mix up by you.

Vote: SS

All town, remember this and the reference post, when he comes back and says “how could we have known, Debatepro was acting scummy.”

All my posts have been probing people to get more information for town.



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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 02:55:26 am »
Debatepro, have you been scum before?


@e, EFHW, Eddie - Any early reads?

Is there actually a reason to ask those particular people?

- I iso'd everyone
- I have played with each of them more than once (fds/lynchpool)
- I have been partners with them (lynchpool Less Pressure #2 & #5)
- I wanted to see what they had to say

My turn:

This started as a closer examination of SS, EFHW, and MCMC planning discussion to see if I can glean any information from it.

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The Dialogs: (Read this section bottom up)

SS (320) - Not quite answer, want to know what would they have done if people went along?

MiX (317) - they did in 271.

SS (315) - 2 days later - Please answer my ?

SS (276) 1009am - dialog mix policy vote, don’t lie or not keep promises as Town.

MCMC (275) 1006am - answers db8’s question about how scum hunting can be non-protown

MCMC (271) 956am - had some town reads, block could have led to interesting interactions for future examination

SS (261) 911am - Vote MiX for “there is no reason for me to follow through with my word”

EFHW (260) 908am - How did you imagine the plan working?

MCMC (258) 854am - Questions MiX for “there is no reason for me to follow through with my word”

MCMC (253) 758am - Vote: EFHW & Serious

SS (98) - how serious was your block?

@SS:
Did you miss both MCMC’s answers to your question? You both have a cluster of posts about different topics within about 2.5 hours of each other.

Did you mean to appropriate EFHW’s followup question as your own or did I miss your question in another post?

Why is this important and what more could they say? MCMC functionally said: "had some town reads, block could have led to interesting interactions for future examination"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 08, 2019, 05:01:07 pm »
Do you have a reason for this vote? [db8 voting for MiX]

It is a data point. The value of voting for someone else hasn’t risen above the value gained by voting for you. It is not always useful to share the full extent of the reasons, although if you read close enough, you might be able to pick it out.

When I don’t think it is as valuable, I’ll change my vote.

If your town, get to work and stop wasting time with a townie.  ;)




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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 08, 2019, 11:06:49 am »
Debatepro's probably scum. Let's analyze one of their posts, mainly the one with actual reads and not just questions: (I cut some of the flavour in it to get to the read list)
...
Overall there's 1-2 town reads, 4 "scum" reads and the rest are a bunch of nully nulls. Meh, this probably fits town!Debatepro, but it wouldn't fit me if I didn't scumread him to hell and back.

Are you just thinking out loud? You can work though all of theses issues, craft a post, and then at the end, delete it instead of posting if it is not a value add. Maybe I unable to decipher the last sentence.

Regardless, Debatepro, if you had to vote for someone right now, who would it be?

My vote is right where it belongs.




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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 08, 2019, 02:17:28 am »

Re: Glooble pushing DS

ADK gives town points 324
EFHW gives scum points 295

Others have any takes on this issue? Is this even a useful data point?

(phone)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 08, 2019, 02:05:23 am »
Any other thoughts on e?

Not sure if I’m missing it, but you haven’t said why you are voting for him. Care to share or do you have some other plan in the works?

I did ask if both you all would share some thoughts and reads about the game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 08, 2019, 01:42:05 am »
Game unrelated: debatepro did you use to do high school/college policy debate?

Both. Judging both levels, some coaching, side hustles. But I’ve been in tech and cybersecurity for a couple decades.  WCD also debated and coached in college, it’s how we met.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 07, 2019, 09:22:33 am »
Reread the game.

So ash said something that appears like a contradiction and DatSwan pulled out some quotes pointing this out. Then he got heat for it. I think everyone who pointed out that this doesn't make DS scummy deserves some town points. That's at least EFHW and ash.


Do the people giving ds heat get scum points?



I'm also wary of debatepro. In my first game with them – well, I was scum and knew they were town, so it's possible I deluded myself, but I nonetheless – I got super strong town vibes from them pretty much the entire game. This time I don't. Is it just because they're not as new anymore? Very possible.

This is also interesting:

Can a friendly town person please give me a high-level explanation of what the traitor is and how it works? I've never played with one and read the mafia wiki on it, but I'm still unsure how it works in or could work in this game.

I did stuff like that as scum when I was new. Actually did it in my first scum game. But the fact that they say they've read on it in the wiki is the kind of detail that makes it more likely to be true.

The wiki literally says "A Traitor is a member of the Mafia who is separate from the main contingent of the faction. Because it is not a member of the main contingent, it is not capable of talking to the other Mafiosi and cannot perform the factional kill. Beyond this simple definition, the implementation of Traitor varies wildly between games."


Here's where I'm at right now.

Town: ADK, Gloooble, Eddie, joth
Scum: pubby

vote: pubby

The people you gave town points for DS didn't get mentioned here. Then you say 4 people are town that basically aren't mentioned in your post. Care to share why you feel ADK, Glooble, Eddie, and Joth are town?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 06, 2019, 12:45:40 pm »
I am about to be VLA for at least a week. My schedule will be more closely aligned to those playing in western Europe. I will try to check in at least once a day. The good news is, some of that time will be in the night so I won't miss anything.

Exceedingly early feelings for the record, perhaps it helps team "destroy the earth", I am fond of the impact from a large object hurling through space variety.
  • I want to read more from e, efhw, and eddie because I feel like I know them better than other players. No ideas on PPS and pubby, because they are not saying much, and I don't know them very well. Asher hasn't said much, I did agree with his take on DS's plan v planning, and they were helpful. I think at least one scum tends to be inactive in d1. But I have not played many games and thus a small sample size.
  • mcmc seems townie but being helpful is part of his meta. I may always equate being nice and helpful as a town trait. I’ll have to factor that into my calculation if I can.
  • This DS issue with plan vs. planning seemed contrived and shit, wouldn't be surprised if there was scum on and intentionally avoiding that discussion. Not a plus or minus for DS, mostly others. This doesn't exonerate DS, just thought it was crap.
  • MiX always seems scummy, even when he is town, I think that is well known. He does seem to be playing a little bit more deliberately, but I've heard he is doing this more and more. Wouldn't surprise me if scum team avoided voting for town!mix, hoping he will be lynched without their help.
  • My 'spidey senses' have occasionally been heightened by ADK, gkreig, glooble, & Joth. When i reread, I can convince myself that that they could be town.
  • SS - Not good at reading him, last time I played he was scum and had a town read on me. Probably won scum the game because I was too stubborn to see it for what it was. I'll probably read them more skeptically in this game.

Cheers!






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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 06, 2019, 09:09:49 am »
@e, EFHW, Eddie - Any early reads?

Is there actually a reason to ask those particular people?

- I iso'd everyone
- I have played with each of them more than once (fds/lynchpool)
- I have been partners with them (lynchpool Less Pressure #2 & #5)
- I wanted to see what they had to say

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 05, 2019, 10:04:21 pm »
@e, EFHW, Eddie - Any early reads?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 05, 2019, 11:58:28 am »
Secondly I think scum hunting can be done in a non pro-town way and that is what I’m saying is bad.

Example?

Wrong quote for question: Corrected.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 05, 2019, 11:57:43 am »
Scum hunting purely for the sake of finding scum is often not as valuable as being an incredibly pro-town player.

Example?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 05, 2019, 11:56:29 am »
What is the difference between sheeping and voting on an existing wagon without explanation?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 06:19:57 pm »
If ash is town, ash is easy to mislynch, so getting a wagon going on him is a pretty good idea.

For scum? Aren't you voting for him?

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