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And I haven't read the scum QT, but I'd give MVP to EFHW
She was my top town read, and I'd have voted ADK if I'd been around because of it

I agree with EFHW as mvp, definitely has a strong town read until near the end.  It’s a super strong scumteam well played.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2019, 08:39:28 am »
snip

I had a different model with e, mcmc in 80% of scum teams, so are you all both scum?

Your post removing possible scum pairs was actually really great I thought. Your only mistake: removing the EFHW&e pair because of EFHW's perfect bus vote.


Yep yep, that was a big error. Here was the the more conservative one I build after EFHW busted my chop. Should have updated to include this one.
Can’t be ADK/Robz, ADK/Debatepro, Debatepro/EFHW.

adk,e,efhw
adk,e,mcmc
adk,efhw,mcmc
debatepro,e,mcmc
debatepro,e,robz
debatepro,mcmc,robz
e,efhw,mcmc
e,efhw,robz
e,mcmc,robz
efhw,mcmc,robz

7/10: e, MCMC
5/10: EFHW, Robz
3/10: ADK, Debate

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:23:09 pm »
efhw I'm guessing

Sorry dude. You and Robz being on opposite sides for so long and I had an early town read on EFHW, I grew wary when she was questioning me, hmm.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:20:51 pm »
I had a different model with e, mcmc in 80% of scum teams, so are you all both scum?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:18:11 pm »
So it’s not me and ADK, so mcmc, Robz, EFHW, e, which one is Town?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:16:46 pm »
No fn way.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 08:59:57 pm »
Save it for night chat.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 08:16:31 pm »
Vote: ADK


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:54:04 am »
SS: can we get a prod for e and Robz? It’s been almost 3 days

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 11, 2019, 06:48:47 am »
We’re one Lynch away from losing, so we may be more likely to see scum put partners in their lists.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 08:10:41 pm »
@robz and e - where are you a im/possible pairing and why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 05:39:05 pm »
So for ADKe
Scumteam is: Robz, EFHW, {e,debatepro}
Townteam is: MCMC, perhaps Joseph (1531),  {debatepro, e}

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 05:04:39 pm »
So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

What about e?

Also, which posts from MCMC feel like “genuine scumhunting”. And which posts from Robz/EFHW see like partner interaction.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 02:05:38 pm »
@mcmc - where are you at on ADK and e? Has your position changed over time,if so why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 02:04:50 pm »
I object to Debate leaving himself out of his permutations analysis.  He is in no way IC, and it is misleading to post information that seems comprehensive but which is actually incomplete.

I am more certain of my alignment than Joseph's and he is the IC. The "does/doesn't include oneself as a possibility" argument is always a dead end, you are dammed if you do and damned if you don't... it's NIA.

You've played with me probably more than anyone else left in this game, and your coming away from every post I've made in this game questioning my alignment?

Where did you ended up in your reread of AD?. Even if you left your notes at home, your very smart and have a good memory.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 01:54:35 pm »
I reread every post for players left in the game, plus a few others. 

I am certain that ADK and robz are not partners. Evidence: 681, 846, 960, 979, 1039, 1269, 1275, 1277, 1278(v), 1479. Also see DS’s posts (1294-1295) that robz/adk can’t be a pairing and things make more sense if you assume ADK is scum and Robz is town.

I'm feeling really good that ADK/e are scumpartners.

ADK in 261 says he didn’t vote for the duel and votes for e no reason given. Also, e in 289 throws some scumpoints to ADK for voting ‘no duel’ and then two minutes later says re-reading setup voids previously allocated scumpoints for ADK.

ADK in 332 questions e’s claim that people said they didn’t want to duel.

@EFHW – remember this 354.

DS joins ADK on e wagon. Does some interesting analysis (more than ADK) on e’s pro-duel vote in ADK v e duel.

369 ADK provides cover on duel vote if e flips scum. I completely disagree with this still.

In 370, ADK gives Joth scumpoints for revealing yes on d1 duel, after it was safe. 379 ADK says if Joth’s case (ADK just gave joth scumpoints) is leading to a pubby case then ADK is in. I bet you are since  pubby’s post in 372 where he says we should vote for e and lynch from the pool of ADK/e.

380 Joth provides case on glooble, ADK calls joth/glooble scumteam.

ADK says (409) Joth’s case on glooble is not good, get’s off e by voting for joth in 412. Super safe and smart to vote for joth here. DS and Pubby are eyeing e and the counter wagon is glooble.


Vote count at post #412   
MiX (1): Awaclus
pubby (2): mcmc, Joseph
e (1): Swan
Eddie (1): pubby
Glooble (3): joth, MiX, Robz
joth (3): Glooble, EFHW, ADK
Not Voting (3): Debate, Eddie, e


ADK says (422) again voting yes for duel (e/joth) is towny. This provides cover to e who voted yes, but conveniently not joth. ADK misses EFHW’s post in 421 where she questions e decision to vote yes for duel and wants to know more about e’s reasoning. In 423 ADK politely asks e if there was a different duel scenario he would have voted no for.

ADK says in 458 scumteam is glooble, joth, mix

ADK 460 votes glooble

ADK 514 votes debatepro after counter wagon quickly spins up on robz: e (508), ds (509), efhw (510), debate (511).

ADK votes e 684: No reason given, immediately votes for Glooble 2 minutes later in 685. This vote occurs at the beginning of day 2. He also votes for e at 1319 at the beginning of day 3. ADK also says they voted yes for E v Awaclus duel because they have been scum reading e 1359. Then ADK does a full reread and comes away with e v awaclus is scum/scum and votes Awaclus. After having voted for e several time when it didn’t matter. E’s response in 1448 is to praise ADK’s post.

One other thing,  I just figured out that bussing pre-duel is a legitimate strategy. It is super low risk, most town players will wait for the duel to try and see if we can get a PR. So voting prior to duel will not get much scrutiny. This is exactly what ADK is doing with e. e doesn't question ADK at all.

E (964) and ADK (972) say PR “should” claim. More e saying pr should claim 984. I bet you all do.



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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 10, 2019, 09:12:32 am »
@joseph - start thinking about a vote order, I'd hold it back for now we don't want to give scum too much runway to build counter narratives. If they were town, they would be putting in "good" work now.

Also, I feel good-ish about my first attempt at isolating potential scumteams, but want to look at other options and build a separate vote order. You should come up with your own and keep it private for the time being. I am happy to reveal my suggestion and vote first.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 07:12:14 pm »
I voted no, although if I had done the analysis below I might have voted yes.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 05:52:31 pm »
Correction 2 & 4

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 05:19:16 pm »
Debate are you excluding anyone who has voted for each other from being potential scum partners or are you only factoring in times where bussing would not be a possibility?

We’re getting pummeled, let’s figure this ish out. If you have some reasons I should remove one or more exclusions and include others please chime in, I included the post numbers (last post first).

1. EFHW has been consistently on Robz even when no one else was and was willing to vote for him in an alternative wagon against Datswan.

2. EFHW and e - I pulled that one from you. It could be bussing, like I’ve said I would bus as scum at that point.

3. ADK & Robz - look at those votes, they don’t feel like busses. Now ADK was an alternative choice in one of those, so maybe it’s weaker.

4. E and Robz - Doesn’t seem like bussing, look at 1040.

If we leave off 2 & 3, e is still in 80% of the teams. So are you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 03:10:29 pm »
I'm at the airport and just realized my ADK notes are at home. I  will try to reconstruct them. I am vla thru Sunday, but should be keeping up.

Please do, because if you are still willing to vote ADK as you did in 1235, then the team is: ADK, e, MCMC

No wonder we've been getting our @sses kicked.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 09, 2019, 02:55:58 pm »

It’s actually europe flipping town that is more illuminating because he was a huge null read and now figuring out what pairing’s of who can and can’t be scum together is a lot easier to figure out.

I think robz and efhw could easily be partners, they both talked a decent amount without pushing much yesterday and ended up split on what could easily have been a town v town duel.

Super null on debate so I need to do rereading there as well because right now he just doesn’t raise any red flags but isn’t excluded from any partner groups.

This got me to thinking about permutations, pairings, and exclusions.

All possible teams:
ADK,e,EFHW
ADK,e,MCMC
ADK,e,Robz
ADK,EFHW,MCMC
ADK,EFHW,Robz
ADK,MCMC,Robz
e,EFHW,MCMC
e,EFHW,Robz
e,MCMC,Robz
EFHW,MCMC,Robz

Exclusions:

EFHW & Robz  (EFHW 240, 510, 1147)
Leaves:
ADK,e,EFHW
ADK,e,MCMC
ADK,e,Robz
ADK,EFHW,MCMC
ADK,MCMC,Robz
e,EFHW,MCMC
e,MCMC,Robz

EFHW & e (EFHW 1451)
Leaves:
ADK,e,MCMC
ADK,e,Robz
ADK,EFHW,MCMC
ADK,MCMC,Robz
e,MCMC,Robz

ADK & Robz (ADK 960, 1287 & Robz 1278)
Leaves:
ADK,e,MCMC
ADK,EFHW,MCMC
e,MCMC,Robz

e & robz (e 508, 1040)
Leaves:
ADK,e,MCMC
ADK,EFHW,MCMC

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 01:40:52 pm »
There it is. I’m obvi town to ADK, except in the endgame. He’s voted for every town Lynch, two hammers, and even sheep’s Joseph as “cover” on the awaclus vote.

You need to chill a little, it's lylo, of course I'm going to be reconsidering my reads

In the history of telling people "to chill", it has never worked. Same with "calm down". :)

If you include me in your scum reads you will still be empirically 100% anti-town.   :-\

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 09:36:28 am »
@Joseph - it could be interesting to set a reveal order on the duel to flush out information.

Since scum can hammer with any town vote we have to be careful. Not sure if setting a vote order could also be helpful.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 07, 2019, 11:31:48 pm »
If you are Town and ADK is in the duel, please support it.

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