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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 13, 2020, 04:25:02 pm »
whoa I'm at X-1? really?

what exactly is the case on me? I didn't see anyone articulate one at all during my re-read...

I'm also surprised this got to X-1 so quickly.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 13, 2020, 12:15:11 pm »
I still prefer an exile to a noexile - especially since we have a potential reverse for misexiles (hosts / maintenance). Though we don't know how many hosts have maintenance, so there may be just one.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 11, 2020, 01:07:36 pm »
how about vote: scola

Eeeeeeh no. I don't think we can read day 1 scola correctly. You think this is his first scum game?

why do you think it's not? And how do you know we can't read him correctly if this might be his first scum game?

My Scola meter is broken...if he’s scum I’m not sure how he’s being different.


Quotes about me above.

This is my ninth (and my only current) game. I have yet to be scum. It makes me frustrated because I want to be scum.

What will scumapasta look like? who knows? many of these games, people have thought I was scum (been exiles both D1 and D2), so maybe I'm just working on my meta? (in reality, I'm just not very good at this, but I prefer the meta explanation :) )

But this game? Not scum. I've already had a D1 exile game, so no need to repeat that.

re: faust, I think his win condition question was scummy, and laid out my reasoning above. I'm willing to hear reasoning why it's not scummy.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Weekly Design Contest Thread
« on: July 11, 2020, 12:49:51 pm »
I don't think we've had a Way yet, so here is Way of the Magpie:



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Way of the Magpie
You may reveal an Action card from your hand. This turn, cards with the same name as it are also Treasures. Play that Action card.

A variation on Capitalism:
• costs "playing an Action card" to use
• only lasts one turn
• only "capitalisms" one named card
• can "capitalisms" any action, not just with coin amounts


Feedback welcome - the general idea for a Way that "capitalisms" one named card came early, but I struggled a bit with the right details.

At first I tried "follow its instructions, then cards with that name are treasure". But there'd rarely be a reason NOT to ever follow the way, so that's bad. There had to be a negative. Then, it was just "+1 Action, cards with the same name as this are Treasures". But that seemed a little weak, since the point is to allow you to play multiple terminals, and with this wording you would want at least 3 of the same name to follow the way.

So now you can use *any* action card to "capitalism" some other action.

Some interesting combos with Bandit, Magpie, Courtier, etc.

The problem I see with this is that it is very hard to get it to be better than a Necropolis. I feel like it would be a lot better if it gave you +1 Action instead of playing the action you want to treasureify in order to make it less awkward to use with terminal actions. (I know that ways are supposed to be weak but as is, there needs to be a very specific combo in order for me to want to use this during a game at all).

I didn't love the way this ended up either, partially because I prefer Ways that care about the card that followed the way (as opposed to, for example, Way of the Ox, which is +2 actions always). So yes, I would prefer that the card that becomes the Treasure is the "Way"ed card.

That said, here's a new take, that goes back to that concept, while still finding a way to have a negative consequence to following the instructions.



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Way of the Magpie
This turn, cards with the same name as this are also Treasures. You may discard a Treasure to follow this card's instructions.

Early on it'll "cost" you a copper, but later, when you have better Treasure, it'll "cost" more. Or if your only Treasure is, say, a Platinum, you can always discard a copy fo this - it could still be reasonable to do if, for example, the card is Smithy and you prefer to get the +3 cards during your Action phase, instead of your Buy phase (depending on how you've managed your deck, you could just draw it back, as well).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:50:01 am »
Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

Oh wait, maybe you meant the traitor part, especially, not just a regular mafia. That's a good design, true, because then mafia is also unsure about whether to repair or not.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 10, 2020, 11:48:34 am »
Kind of wild speculation but - it would be neat design for there to be a Mafia Traitor Host with Maintenance.

I've just assuming there is - if not, there'd be no reason not to repair hosts.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 09, 2020, 02:48:09 pm »
I think scum is more likely to be thinking about town's wincon than town is (since they have to be ready to claim it), faust bringing it up is somewhere between NAI and scummy to me.

You know what? I'm starting to be inclined to faust's bringing it up as scummy.

From setup, it could be inferred that that win condition is only for town hosts and town human is different. Who would benefit most from getting win conditions then?

• town hosts can claim safely. And have no reason to suspect that this would be effective scumhunting.

• town humans can claim safely. Additionally, town humans wouldn't try to catch scum this way, since they know win condition is same for town humans and town host. (since they have theirs and the example)

• scum hosts can safely claim, as they can just copy the example.

• scum humans cannot safely claim. If they claim the example, found to be human, and the conditions for humans and hosts are different, they are caught.

Additionally, it seems as if consensus was to not reveal human / host, and were win conditions different, then claiming win condition is a back door way of finding that out.

tldr:  Vote: faust

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 09, 2020, 02:11:46 pm »
Good point. I presume scum wins if all town humans are Dead then.

Why would that be? If there were more(and only) town hosts than scum, I presume game would just continue as normal.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 09, 2020, 01:49:57 pm »
Have we had a vote count recently? I am willing to vote faust, but not sure if ready enough to put him at X-1.

I also asked archetype a question about the win condition (which is the same as everyone else here), and did get an answer. So not sure what is going on.

Though, as always, I am second guessing a little. Would scum!faust ask this publicly, knowing it might arouse suspicion.

So, maybe I'll pause on that vote... would still be good to see a vote count. I can try to to do a scolacounta later tonight if we don't get one before then.

Also am equally confused by Didds' "human host".

I'm actually watching S1 now, and I'd be surprised if there were not a 3rd party "Man in Black". That said, I'm only through 4 episodes, so we'll see if he turns out to be something else*.

* man, hoping not to get too spoiled, by goal is to be done with S1 by end of N1.

Did you ask a question about your win condition, or about other people's win conditions?

No reason not to be specific:

Since in past games, eliminating scum was enough to end the game, i was confused at what would happen if only town humans remained. (since win condition states a town host must be alive).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 09, 2020, 01:46:32 pm »
Vote: faust

XaL
What do you presume happen here? I lied about some easily verifiable thing for no reason?

Yeah, this is what makes me hesitate. But I also don't get why you'd say post win condition, as even scum would just quote the setup.

Though I guess something about your QT made you doubt, and we're waiting to here. Still makes me think this is town!faust.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Weekly Design Contest Thread
« on: July 09, 2020, 01:41:57 pm »
I don't think we've had a Way yet, so here is Way of the Magpie:



Quote
Way of the Magpie
You may reveal an Action card from your hand. This turn, cards with the same name as it are also Treasures. Play that Action card.

A variation on Capitalism:
• costs "playing an Action card" to use
• only lasts one turn
• only "capitalisms" one named card
• can "capitalisms" any action, not just with coin amounts


Feedback welcome - the general idea for a Way that "capitalisms" one named card came early, but I struggled a bit with the right details.

At first I tried "follow its instructions, then cards with that name are treasure". But there'd rarely be a reason NOT to ever follow the way, so that's bad. There had to be a negative. Then, it was just "+1 Action, cards with the same name as this are Treasures". But that seemed a little weak, since the point is to allow you to play multiple terminals, and with this wording you would want at least 3 of the same name to follow the way.

So now you can use *any* action card to "capitalism" some other action.

Some interesting combos with Bandit, Magpie, Courtier, etc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 09, 2020, 11:03:01 am »
Have we had a vote count recently? I am willing to vote faust, but not sure if ready enough to put him at X-1.

I also asked archetype a question about the win condition (which is the same as everyone else here), and did get an answer. So not sure what is going on.

Though, as always, I am second guessing a little. Would scum!faust ask this publicly, knowing it might arouse suspicion.

So, maybe I'll pause on that vote... would still be good to see a vote count. I can try to to do a scolacounta later tonight if we don't get one before then.

Also am equally confused by Didds' "human host".

I'm actually watching S1 now, and I'd be surprised if there were not a 3rd party "Man in Black". That said, I'm only through 4 episodes, so we'll see if he turns out to be something else*.

* man, hoping not to get too spoiled, by goal is to be done with S1 by end of N1.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Weekly Design Contest Thread
« on: July 08, 2020, 05:33:48 pm »
Love it; agree with the other comments that it can probably be cheaper. Also a weird rules nitpick... Donald has "ruled" that the Night Phase only exists in games that use Night cards. So you need some sort of special rule or wording to actually allow the Night Phase to exist. I'm sure it's fine to just have as a FAQ "In games using Lunar Ritual, there is a Night Phase".

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This turn, your Action cards are also Night cards.

This phrasing probably takes cards of the first nitpick too, since now there are Night cards in the game, therefore, there would a Night phase (at least that turn).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (Game Over)
« on: July 08, 2020, 10:16:12 am »
Thanks, Sudgy, for hosting. That was weird and fun.

I used 60 of my words!

I'm curious how many mistakes people had. I was doing so well, but got 1 warning on the last day when I was too excited that town still had a chance... (once we exiled EFHW, I thought it was all over)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (Game Over)
« on: July 08, 2020, 10:13:57 am »
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

(I will never trust Didds again...)


I’m so sorry!!!!!!

I really do know how hard it is and the freaking pressure of the lylo situation. It’s the worst.

now you can understand me! :)

Awesome job, Didds, i am really happy you won!

@scola, you know you could prove you're Mason, because I gave an info in Masonry that only I and couple other people in a game know? :)

Yes. I was hoping to draw a CC, and then prove I was the mason. But alas, scum had little reason to CC.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (Game Over)
« on: July 07, 2020, 08:49:11 pm »
What I meant to say, was...

Good game. Well done.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (Game Over)
« on: July 07, 2020, 08:47:45 pm »
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

(I will never trust Didds again...)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (D4)
« on: July 07, 2020, 07:13:14 pm »
OK, I'm ready to vote. I reread past days and found several clues leading me to this, though none of them are concrete.

But they feel good enough for:

Vote: joseph

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (D4)
« on: July 07, 2020, 04:23:07 pm »
In the end, I want to let my gut decide, but each time I try, there is a battle between two clues pulling it opposite ways! Argh!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (D4)
« on: July 07, 2020, 04:22:25 pm »
I will say, I've decided I don't like this position - each of you trying to attract my vote, and all this weight on me to decide.

But I'm doing one more pass through and so be it.

(truthfully neither of you have said much to sway me in the end; bits and pieces here)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 07, 2020, 01:11:11 pm »
Well, it seems like the humans would be cool with not knowing anything, but the hosts need to know who the humans are, although not yet since everyone starts off alive. But after one gets Xed, they need to reach out to a human, right?  The humans don’t want to revive the scum hosts, though, so I guess I was wrong about the humans not needing to know anything. They need to know who the scum hosts are to keep them dead...but why would scum hosts reach out to town humans if there are scum humans? Hmmm.

Sure, but hosts can find out humans after they're exiled. (i.e. can keep reading the thread)

Maybe only town hosts have maintenance? Nah, can't be that, because then there would be no reason to ever not fix a maintenance request.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM57: Westworld Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 07, 2020, 11:58:30 am »
Hi all. Welcome to westworld mafia.

My guess is revealing host / human is anti town. Then again, I usually think revealing much D1 is anti town - it does feel like human vs host is a big part of this world.

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Forum Games / Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
« on: July 06, 2020, 11:50:51 pm »
/assembing

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM31: Random Word Mafia (D4)
« on: July 06, 2020, 05:16:58 pm »
Yeah, it's on me. I took today off, so long holiday weekend still going on in my habitat. I'll post actual, real thoughts tomorrow.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Weekly Design Contest Thread
« on: July 06, 2020, 02:15:23 pm »
Thank you very much NoMoreFun! The credits for the mechanic of cost varying with cubes are to scolapasta, who once again suggested a great feature to improve my card. Thank you scolapasta! Also thanks to Aquila, Marpharos, Fragasnap and segura who help me with their comments. I love the way people help each other in this forum.

Congratulations! I'm just glad I could suggest something useful (as I also very much value the feedback myself, so happy to give back)

Well, this may be the closest I've come to a win! :)



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