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Forum Games / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (1 SPOT LEFT!)
« on: January 24, 2020, 10:30:18 am »
Wow, thanks for the warm welcome! I look forward to getting back into the swing of things.

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Forum Games / Re: BM29: Bud Idea Mafia (3+ spots left!)
« on: January 23, 2020, 08:27:26 pm »
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Hi, fellows. Apologies for the hiatus and for sucking in my first few games of mafia. Hopefully I'll be better now. Aaaaand if I'm not it seems hard to mess up "strategy" for this setup what with the total lack of information! Hooray!

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Iím going to trust the uncounterclaimed tracker.

Vote: Datswan.

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Alright, waiting for space.

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Exhibit A: Datswan copy pastes claims.
So now i copy paste whenever i claim anything but VT.
Exhibit B: Psychologist would receive a result of "Cannot Kill" (I'm to lazy to quote the original post and trim it down, so have a regular quote)

"Each night you may target a player to investigate. You will receive a result of ďCan KillĒ if they are capable of killing a player at night but have not yet done so. If they cannot kill, or if they have already killed someone, you will receive a result of ďCannot Kill.Ē This investigation resolves before the nightís kill.

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive."

Exhibit C:
Ari can't kill

If Datswan copy pasted, he would have said "Arishipshape Cannot Kill". Not "Ari can't kill". We know he is aware people can make a stink about this and copypastes to avoid it. Ergo, he is not the psychologist.

Intent to hammer.

I've never hammered on purpose before: how long am I supposed to wait before hammering?

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The way I see it, there's one psychologist and 3 scum that would totally claim psychologist if challenged. I would totally take those odds, but I'm gonna hold off my vote on the off chance the real psychologist claims, or to let Datswan say the results of N1 investigation.

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Did I miss something? When did MiX become an IC? When he claimed VT?

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I'll get to this momentarily... I have to go buy an eye patch

May I have this in my signature? I see other people with funny quotes in theirs all the time. Any procedure I go through first?

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Why are you in the shadows?
I've had nothing to say. I offered for people to interrogate me:
Anyone want to ask me anything?
Nobody took me up on it.

I slightly townread Joth for his posts as gladiator, but really I'm just waiting for Datswan at this point.

You should be proactive: reads don't fall from the sky. Also talking should make you easier to read: right now we basically only have your D1 posts. But it's a bit late to change that, the challenge will always speak louder than our individual actions for the rest of this day. I think.

Can someone wake up Swan?
Well guess what? I tried talking all the time and telling others to do so. I was all "It's always best for everyone to say everything!" Earned me scum points. I tried making a case against a scum read: earned me scumpoints. So, if shutting up is actually pro town, I guess I better do that. I am the number 1 talk all the time proponent: I am also town and don't want to get lynched, so that's why I'm being quiet. Yes, I know I can't get lynched today. Then again, I've been quiet long enough. I think I undid the scumpoints day 1 me earned, so it's time to be pro town once more. MiX, I'm a fan of ADK's analysis post, it seems like a nice amalgamation of information on the lynch candidates and a pro town move. Care to elaborate on why you think it's not impartial?

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Why are you in the shadows?
I've had nothing to say. I offered for people to interrogate me:
Anyone want to ask me anything?
Nobody took me up on it.

I slightly townread Joth for his posts as gladiator, but really I'm just waiting for Datswan at this point.

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Can we kill Swan yet? This day is a mess and I want to sleep :P

I'm gonna let Datswan get back to us with this "fun stuff" he speaks of before I place a vote.

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OK I absolutely love the giant score board Vote Count thing - I feel closer to Kurt Russle than I ever had before.

I have just a ton of fun stuff I would like to speak about. As I mentioned, I did not want to do so prior to Joth finalizing a target. I will get it out when I get back to a computer.

Obviously...

Vote: Joth
I'm gonna let Datswan get back to us with this "fun stuff" he speaks of before I place a vote.

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Sorry I've been inactive, weekends are busy. I'll reread the challenged candidates and get back to you with a vote tonight. Anyone want to ask me anything?

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Maybe this will spark some conversation:

I am planning to challenge faust.
Thank you. I've scumread Faust all game. Although it could just be my anti meta bias. I'll give Faust a re-read.

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Should we have the claiming conversation before I make my challenge?

People in this town seem to place a lot of store in claims, so I really don't want to make a strong case on scum and then end up being the lynch because of some ridiculous fake claim.

We should probably give people the opportunity to claim before you challenge, yes. At this point we know the setup so any fakeclaims can be countered.
We don't know the setup. Galz could be mafia promoter. Or did I miss something?

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But he is thinking from a town perspective by trying to stay alive. From his perspective, assuming he's town, he needs to pick a fight he can win first and foremost. Yes, our goal is to get scum, but let's say he picks a scum and we lynch him instead. Scum lives. He needs to find a scum that he can actually win against in a 1V1. So yes, he needs to pick scum. But he needs to pick scum that wont get him lynched anyways. Unless he's just scum, in which case well done Galz, you get a town medal.
Sadly ari whisperer, Joseph, died, but...isn't this one of the towniest things you've ever heard?
This is why I advocate for pure clarity. I do not understand what you mean. Please explain this particular post with zero sarcasm or jokes. I apologize, understanding those things isn't my strong suit.

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The distinction is in your lack of care regarding finding and challenging scum. If you were town, your absolute goal would be to NOT challenge town here, where town loses 100% of the time, but instead to challenge scum where, even if itís not convenient for you, thereís a chance of us lynching correctly. You donít care who you challenge, as long as you win. That isnít pro-town, thatís pro-Joth, and thatís exactly the approach scum would take to try and appear townie.

You know what the best feature of a Vig is? Itís a 100% town controlled, no scum-input kill. You know what the downside is? It shorts our numbers. Being promoted as town is all the upside and none of the downside. But by making it a public poll all youíre trying to do is garner town favor by ďactingĒ pro-town - instead of just being pro-town.

I disagree. Especially because the outcome of me making the decision without town input would be to piss everyone off, further increasing the already-high chances they vote for me.

Look, if you had picked someone with a lot of town cred, they could have played it the way you're suggesting. Heck, you could have picked yourself if you wanted to play it that way and had some real skin in the game. But what did you think was going to happen when you picked someone who almost got lynched yesterday? In the position I'm in, using my challenge power without town input is suicide.

Also you are being disingenuous when you continually state that I don't care about finding scum. At no point have I suggested that I would use my power against someone I don't think is scum. The question is, out of the set of people I consider to be likely scum, which will I pick? And the answer is, duh, the one I can beat in a 1v1 vote-off. PPE 2

Why would I ever choose someone with town cred or that I thought was town? See, youíre STILL not looking at it from a town perspective. I laid it out D1: The best use of the entire role from a town perspective is to choose the player they MOST think to be scum, because even if theyíre wrong, that player then gets to choose again. Thatís two opportunities to force scum into being the 50/50 chance. Picking myself would be the absolute worst use of the role as there would then only be one opportunity to find scum (my own challenge choice). By choosing you, Iím essentially saying ďJoth is my challenge choiceĒ, except if Iím wrong YOU get to pick your own top choice.

I donít give a damn about public opinion and neither should you (or any town). If we end up in a town-v-town challenge, regardless if youíre guaranteed to win or not, town loses. So IF youíre town then start acting like it instead of trying primarily to protect your own hide.
But he is thinking from a town perspective by trying to stay alive. From his perspective, assuming he's town, he needs to pick a fight he can win first and foremost. Yes, our goal is to get scum, but let's say he picks a scum and we lynch him instead. Scum lives. He needs to find a scum that he can actually win against in a 1V1. So yes, he needs to pick scum. But he needs to pick scum that wont get him lynched anyways. Unless he's just scum, in which case well done Galz, you get a town medal.

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Joth, I used to think you were scum. Then you got promoted and seem to be handling it wonderfully, especially with Galz's claim. You're keeping calm, cool, and logical. Galz, why did you claim?

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If Jotheonah challenges MiX, I'm voting Jotheonah.

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Alright, I'm going to bed. Don't lynch me while I'm asleep, that'd just be cruel.

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I'll be going to sleep soon. I townread MiX and ADK, I don't want to vote either of them. But I should probably have a vote down before the day ends. Vote: Joth

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I'll be available for the next three hours, then I'll be going to bed. Anyone want to ask me anything before MiX flips town?

Also, Chairs' saying "oh no, MiX was town after all" sounds suspiciously similar to my "oh no, MiX was town after all" at the end of day one in the last game I played. Significantly shorter and with less emotion, but similar. And I was scum that time.

Do you really like your vote on EFHW right now?
No. EFHW came back.Unvote

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I'll be available for the next three hours, then I'll be going to bed. Anyone want to ask me anything before MiX flips town?

Also, Chairs' saying "oh no, MiX was town after all" sounds suspiciously similar to my "oh no, MiX was town after all" at the end of day one in the last game I played. Significantly shorter and with less emotion, but similar. And I was scum that time.

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I don't want to lynch chairs. They've made 9 posts. None of them seemed scummy to me. Not enough interaction to really tell us anything tomorrow. MiX is a better lynch.
Plus we always seem to end up lynching lurkers and it's no help
And we always seem to end up mislynching chairs as a lurker

I would rather lynch Swan or EFHW, those 3 seem to be the worst offenders on "who hasn't been talked about"?
Sarcasm mode: On
EFHW is playing?
Sarcasm mode: Off
Vote: EFHW Defend yourself.

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1. It's not arbitrary
2. I don't hate you

I want to emphasize #2 here because I know I can be a little harsh sometimes in-game, but at the end of the day it is just a game and as a human being I like you just fine and think you're very nice.
Apologies. "Hate" was an unnecessarily strong word, and it didn't apply. I think you're fine and nice as well. What I meant to say was you've been arbitrarily considering me to be scum all game. Vote: Chairs Why? I know why: I'm just not gonna say it. ...Fine, it's because we haven't talked about him all game and I want to spark discussion.

There won't be a discussion this close to deadline. My thought was: why is everyone on the viable lynch pool very towny and/or joth? And I feel like the answer is there's scum in whoever we haven't even touched yet.
We haven't touched Faust. Everybody just takes his towniness as guaranteed. And I disagree regarding discussion: we've got a day, I think we can at least make something we can look back on in later days, even if we don't lynch chairs today.

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