Not that tricky to see but Castles + Fairgrounds is neatAlso Black market + Fairgrounds. It depends on the size of the black market deck, but it's still a lot more then without Black Market
Would go so far as to say Fairgrounds is never wrong on a BM board.
I am just excited for the story mode. Especially since this will be my first Mario Maker. I mean, I could just do online and get ideas and such for building from there, but I think I will enjoy going through and being forced to do something that highlights each different feature (which I assume the story mode will do)
But again, you're using stronger to mean "does more total stuff in the game". Your personal copy of Witch isn't stronger. The collective copies of Witch that all players have are stronger. You don't have a better reason to buy Witch over another card in 4 player than 2 player.Dominion is not multiplayer solitaire, the Supply and the decks of the opponents matter as much as your own deck. So if the frequency of incoming junk is double as high in a 3P than in a 2P game it seems obvious that the very thing that causes this havoc is also stronger and that the very thing that helps you deal with that very problem, like a trasher or a Moat variant, also increase in strength relative to the 2P case.
I think this is a good argument that trashing is stronger in a 3 player game with Witch than a 2 player game with Witch. But the net effect of buying a Witch yourself is still actually less in 3 players... if you don't buy a Witch, you end up with 10 Curses. If you do buy a Witch, you end up with about 7. It's only 3 extra, and your opponents only end up with 2 fewer each.
In a 2 player game, the difference between buying Witch or not is whether you want Curses to be split 10-0, or 5-5.
While I still think that Segura's card is bad design, I'm starting to see his side of this argument. Let's say you don't buy a Witch and everybody else does. In a 3P game, since there are two sources of Curses, the Curses will run out and you'll get 10 Curses twice as quickly as in a 2P game. Because of this, it's more important to buy a Witch earlier if you want to avoid getting 10 Curses. So in a way, with more players, the net effect of buying a Witch is made more impactful in some ways and less impactful in others with the number of players. One could argue either way whether an individual Witch is stronger or weaker with more players.
But again, you're using stronger to mean "does more total stuff in the game". Your personal copy of Witch isn't stronger. The collective copies of Witch that all players have are stronger. You don't have a better reason to buy Witch over another card in 4 player than 2 player.Dominion is not multiplayer solitaire, the Supply and the decks of the opponents matter as much as your own deck. So if the frequency of incoming junk is double as high in a 3P than in a 2P game it seems obvious that the very thing that causes this havoc is also stronger and that the very thing that helps you deal with that very problem, like a trasher or a Moat variant, also increase in strength relative to the 2P case.
I feel like Mario 2 is actually pretty likely... based mostly off of the fact that the screen shot listing the styles showed Mario 3D world in its own section called "Extra Styles" (plural), with an obvious hole where another style would be. I've heard some different speculation on what that 6th style could be (Mario 2, Mario Land, Mario Galaxy), and it just seems like Mario 2 is most likely. Before the introduction of 3D world, I would have said "no way would that happen", due to Mario 2 being too different from the rest. But now they've shown 3D world being it's own separate thing pretty much, so Mario 2 seems more likely.Someone pointed out that, if your plan was to do Mario 2 and Mario 3-D World, well, wouldn't you show off Mario 2 first? Mario 3-D World is more unexpected and exciting. But, could still be Mario 2.
True that, I was wrong. But the junking frequency still increases (doubles from a 2P to a 3P game) which is why junkers (as well as trashers and some Reactions) become stronger with an increasing number of players.In this way, Witch doesn't become stronger.I disagree. Junkers are rarely ignorable but sometimes they are. In this very situation in which you ignore a junker in a 2P game you would perhaps not do the same in a 4P game as the junk pool is larger. So not getting that Marauder in a 2P game might be fine, you can only get a max. of 10 Ruins. But in a 4P game, if you are the only player without a Marauder, you could end up with 40 Ruins.
This isn't correct, because all the other opponents are getting some of that junk as well. Just look at the math in a game where your opponent buys Witch and you don't:
2 player game: You end up with 10 Curses, your opponent ends up with 0.
3 player game, 1 opponent buys Witch, the other doesn't: You end up with 10 Curses, so does the other opponent.
3 player game, both opponents buy Witch: You end up with 10 Curses, each opponent ends up with 5.
The point is that each time a Witch is played in 3 player games, 2 Curses are given out (from the pool of 20). So you can't end up with all 20, or even more than 10, unless some players are using cards like Moat also.
In fact it's much worse in a 2 player game; where you have 10 Curse cards more than your opponent. In a 3 player game, if both opponents buy Witches, you only end up with 5 Curses more than your opponents.
4 player math works out the same way.
This will get cleaned up at the end of the last opponent's turn because it doesn't do anything during your next turn. I don't know whether that's intentional or not. (I'm pretty sure this is how Durations work but someone can shout at me if I'm wrong.)
Let me put it this way, Segura:
In a 2P game, the most likely outcome is +1 Coffers and your opponent gets 1 debt. I would rather buy Scout.
In a 4P game, on the other hand, the most likely outcome is +3 Coffers and your opponents each get 1 debt. +3 Coffers alone is something I would buy for $8.
In other words, Revenant is a must-buy if you have 4P, balanced if you have 3P, and Scout tier with 2P. Sure, a lot of official cards scale a bit with player count, but not nearly to the same degree; the official cards that do scale with player count are balanced at their cost regardless of player count. This argument is less about whether cards should scale or not and more about the degree to which a card should be allowed to scale.
. The Coffers being delayed a turn matters a lot; as well as the card just staying out more because of Duration.
In this way, Witch doesn't become stronger.I disagree. Junkers are rarely ignorable but sometimes they are. In this very situation in which you ignore a junker in a 2P game you would perhaps not do the same in a 4P game as the junk pool is larger. So not getting that Marauder in a 2P game might be fine, you can only get a max. of 10 Ruins. But in a 4P game, if you are the only player without a Marauder, you could end up with 40 Ruins.
I see what you're saying; but that applies to all attacks in the game, especially cursers. Witches hurt your deck more if you are getting 3 Curses per turn rather than 1. So while it can be said that the attack hurts your deck more; it doesn't make it's effect when you buy it stronger.I don't think that it applies to all attacks. Stuff that do not stack like handsize attacks are decreasing in strength in multiplayer. In a 2P game your Militia will always hit whereas in a 3P game it might hit only one opponent.
The general point is that some Attacks scale with player count. In a 2P game you might be able to skip a junker whereas in a 3P game you cannot do so in the very same Kingdom. Gee, a lot of stuff in Dominion scales with player count. City is les ignorable and in general, all Action cards become more scarce. The mirror image of that is that a money strategy becomes on average stronger in multiplayer.
in a 4 player game than a 2 player game. Smithy will draw more total cards. Etc.
I don't get what you mean about Ambassador scalingLet's assume for the sake of simplicity that all players do play Ambassador at the same frequency and are always able to trash 2 cards.
In a 2P game you trash 2 via your own Ambassador and get 1 via the one of your opponent. Net trash 1.
In a 3P game you trash 2 and get 2 via the ones of your opponents. Net effect of 0.
In a 4P game you trash 2 and get 3 via the ones of your opponents. Net junk 1.
This makes Ambassador arguably the most player count sensitive card, it literally changes its core behaviour from a net trasher to a net junker! If you play a Kingdom with 2P you can easily use Ambassador as trasher whereas in the very same Kingdom with 4P you have to either rely on another trasher or, if there are no other trashers, Ambassador does not reduce but amplifies the junk.
So Gendo, which features are you most excited about so far?
For me I think it's controllable autoscroll, variable water level (it's a shame that it's likely locked to forest levels, but oh well), scroll stop (for bonus rooms, etc.), vertical areas, new terrain themes, and some of the night level quirks. All the new enemies and blocks and such also seem great, but somehow it's the iterative improvements on what we already have that I'm most looking forward to.
Do you think we'll get a Super Mario Bros. 2 style as DLC down the road?
If it autoscrolled, I'd have to make a door at the end that let you go back to the start, and even that sounds less than ideal.
CHALLENGE #30 SUBMISSION:
My last submission was said to be complicated and uninteresting. I guess I'll try uncomplicated and uninteresting this time.
I've uploaded a new level!
Piranha Pirates
It's a traditional auto-scrolling airship level with a piranha plant theme. It's got a few secrets and a boss room. See if you can collect all 100 coins (the 100th coin being the one you get from getting a card at the end of the stage).
My intent is that cost reducers like Bridge and Highway still work to reduce the debt cost of all cards except those that normally cost debt. Should I specify that on this card itself?
Scoundrels:What does "+$2 for each other player on their next turn" mean?
Also, this should probably be an attack (it also doesn't need a line break).
."Maybe this has been addressed somewhere, but I can't find it. Why does Royal Carriage have a clause that it can't replay a card that has left play, while Citadel does not have that clause?
Can't wait!
Never had Mario maker, but this game looks amazing. I don't play many console games, but I think this might be my next one
I've said it before; but I definitely think Ruined Library instead of Ruined Smithy. The Ruins would make a lot more sense as buildings or places instead of people. It's effect could be +1 card, or possibly draw to 5 cards in hand.
instead of 
and 1 card. And then the various differences between action and treasure, which I think tend overall slightly favor treasure due to not being able to draw dead.
