While it is easy to argue that the card is broken I think it is worth nothing that Commander only becomes a Lab if you play 2 cards afterwards; the first one retroactively makes Commander into a cantrip.
I'm trying to figure out what it says that I am in the top 6 in terms of post count, yet a large number of posters have more than double my total time logged in.
Lurkers gonna lurk.
Here's how I see the equation:
I have no idea why Donald X. is equal to imaginary negative 315.
Hint: Inn^2 = InnInn
QuoteOnce per game: Set aside a non-Victory Action card from the Supply costing up to $4. Move your Estate token to it. (Your Estates gain the abilities and types of that card.)
Simple question, but I have not seen it asked yet, and I apologize if this does nothing to further the discussion, but once an Estate is no longer yours, it loses the abilities and types it had when you inherited it. For simplicity's sake, let's say you inherit Embargo, then Throne Room an Estate. The first time you play it, Throne Room looks at the Estate, the Estate trashes itself, and puts an Embargo token on a supply pile. The second time it gets played, Throne Room checks the estate (like it does for Band of Misfits or Overlord), the estate is no longer yours, therefore doesn't have the abilities and types it inherited (because it is no longer your Estate). Playing the Estate does nothing the second time Throne Room plays it because it's just a victory card at that point.
Am I talking crazy here or does this make sense?
Yeah there's definitely official rules. Not just Procession, but Bonfire. Duration cards definitely don't have to do their normal thing next turn. The official rules would also cause Sarcophagus to stay in play until next turn.
Hmm, according to the Procession wiki article:QuoteIf you use Procession on a Duration card, Procession will be discarded in the same turn's Clean-up, since the Duration card will no longer be in play.
If I'm understanding this correctly, the Sarcophagused card will be trashed immediately after it is first played (before the 'next turn' is resolved) and Sarcophagus will be discarded. Then the next turn effect will trigger anyhow, but without the card being in play.
I dislike this a fair bit, but it is the official rules.
Hmm, I just realized that there is no official ruling on what happens to the effect that occurs on your next turn if you trash a Duration card that is in play.
I would assume that there is a Variants and Fan Cards precedent, though. If so, can someone tell me what it is?
Otherwise I will have to make a ruling, which may very well be that Sarcophagus stays in play until the Duration card is finished, then trashes it.
Edit: Ignore me; Procession has the same quirks.
In retrospect, I do wish we'd tried Sentry with: "Reveal the top 2 cards of your deck. You may trash one. You may discard one. Put the rest back in any order." Hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
That's a lot of power to lose for the sake of simplicity. Maybe for $4?
Is it really so much power? I think being able to trash 2 cards is problematically powerful for a cantrip $5, so removing that seems great to me. It removes the games where one player gets super-lucky with their early Sentry and just cruises to victory. And then you have the late game where you'd like to discard both cards. But unless they're both Provinces, sometimes you can just discard one and trash the other. You might not have drawn it again before the game ended anyway. Maybe that is too much weaker, though. I don't know, I think it could afford to be weaker and still sit comfortably at $5. A $4 cantrip that trashes from your deck sounds nuts to me.
EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, the idea isn't just simplicity. It's that Sentry is sometimes crazy strong.
EDIT: Oh, OK. I misunderstood you. You're saying people could be misinterpreting "+$3" as "$3". Well, that's valid and I don't think we realized that possible misinterpretation when Donald X. was deciding this stuff. Hopefully in practice people aren't confused very often. Sorry for misreading your post!
.., or that you can buy a card for more than the normal price.
That's not a perfect analogue to the Thief situation, but man. I think it's totally fine if the game hints that Coppers are bad. Anybody who thinks hard enough about Moneylender is going to realize that it's a terminal Silver that removes a Copper from your deck. Why would I even buy this over Silver if Coppers are good?
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Well I put it to you that the game does a fine job of teaching you "Coppers are usually bad" without needing a terribly weak card to do it. Moneylender teaches it. Chapel teaches it. Buying Coppers teaches it. Thief isn't special in this regard. And why have a terrible card solely for the purpose of teaching a redundant lesson.
Thanks for the feedback and interest, guys!
After careful consideration, I've decided to give some significant nerfs to Sarcophagus. Sarcophagus will now only play the targeted card once, and will only be able to target cards that cost "up to $2 less than it."
Overall, I realized that this makes Sarcophagus still better than Band of Misfits, a $5 card, as it will trigger on-gain and on-trash events, and retain its own on-buy Curse event. While this makes the Sarcophagus less attractive than when it was an OPAF throne, it's still a lot of power to pack into a mere $1 cost increase vs Band of Misfits.
In 2011, someone made a thread called "1-card Combo" on f.ds.
The card in question was Farming Village.
I just switched them to imgur "Large Thumbnails". Let me know if that helped.
Edit: now when they expand they fit in your screen, too.
I feel like Giant Spider is too much like Dame Sylvia. Except for the trashed by other Knights part, it's just a weaker version, as it generally will allow the player to get their card back (or get a different card back if they want).
Don't forget that Webbing is a stop card, so it's kind of like a -1 card token attack too.
