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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (Game Over!)
« on: August 04, 2017, 08:45:55 pm »
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 31, 2017, 05:53:23 pm »
Ick, I didn't know that was the hammer. I mean a naked vote by itself is bad considering the lack of content Ash has given, but the fact that it was a hammer is disgusting.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 31, 2017, 05:23:40 pm »BTW Cuzz is repping VT so if he claims a PR, I am not going to buy it for a second.
I don't get why you'd say this.
It was implied. They basically said something like "I want to know why people are Scum reading me in case I am lynched" which implies a VT claim considering if they claim PR then they should def NOT get lynched that day unless there is a CC.
But it seems like it would be a good point to make after a claim, if it were to come, not before.
So? I have actually prevented him from going against what he implied. How is that worse? Why is it better to wait for him to claim PR? Now He CAN'T claim PR which means that even if he were to, the real PT wouldn't have to out themselves.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 31, 2017, 05:14:52 pm »BTW Cuzz is repping VT so if he claims a PR, I am not going to buy it for a second.
I don't get why you'd say this.
It was implied. They basically said something like "I want to know why people are Scum reading me in case I am lynched" which implies a VT claim considering if they claim PR then they should def NOT get lynched that day unless there is a CC.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 31, 2017, 01:16:43 am »What is shaded?Is mcmc vLA, on mobile or i would check myself? I really want to hear from him on some things.
IDK if they are V/LA or not, but both you and Mcmc are pretty much Town cleared based on IDP Town spew.
What is IDP Town spew?
Its the theory that because IDP shaded the people he has that is evidence that those people he shaded are Town.
That would be where someone throws suspicion on someone that doesn't stand up to scrutiny or just generic arguments for why someone is Scum. Shading is typically done in short posts that don't explain a whole lot. Its basically someone throwing out a one liner for why someone is Scum that doesn't make for a very good post, such as "TWM looks Scummy, I don't like their tone" or "This post looks forced". Neither of these examples go into any detail at all regarding Tone or why it was forced. This method can work because there are people where they whole playstyle falls along these lines of shading as both Town and Scum and its a nightmare to try and get a read on these people.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 30, 2017, 09:07:45 pm »Is mcmc vLA, on mobile or i would check myself? I really want to hear from him on some things.
IDK if they are V/LA or not, but both you and Mcmc are pretty much Town cleared based on IDP Town spew.
What is IDP Town spew?
Its the theory that because IDP shaded the people he has that is evidence that those people he shaded are Town.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 30, 2017, 07:37:03 pm »Is mcmc vLA, on mobile or i would check myself? I really want to hear from him on some things.
IDK if they are V/LA or not, but both you and Mcmc are pretty much Town cleared based on IDP Town spew.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:53:35 pm »Okay. I just have a bias that finds him scummy.
TWM is also towny for me.
Could literally lynch anyone else.
The real vig would have shot him if he was giving a false claim (or should have if he's not mentally challenged).
Except then the doctor would have protected him, thereby wasting a town PR shot. (I do think the real vig would have come forward by now if Dylan wasn't it.)
Point taken, but its not a Doc, its a JKer.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:22:34 pm »Okay. I just have a bias that finds him scummy.
TWM is also towny for me.
Could literally lynch anyone else.
The real vig would have shot him if he was giving a false claim (or should have if he's not mentally challenged).
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 08:21:22 pm »No, but usually one would reread prior to trying to shoot down another player's arguments, especially one that as you say was good but just not well articulated
K, well regardless of what you expect someone to do doesn't mean that that is the way someone is going to do it. I didn't reread until I thought about the case a bit. Your argument that I am Scum because I didn't do what you think I should have done isn't valid because not everyone operates in a rational way all the time. Basing a Scum read on me because I looked into things and changed my mind after looking into something is a very rigid way to determine if someone is Scum and if that is your method for determining who is Scum you are going to be wrong a lot.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 05:54:15 pm »So QS was pretty firmly town reading Cuzz the whole game, e.g.I'm now back to thinking this might be a bastard game, since some players appear to have a post restriction which forbids them from justifying their votes.
I don't see Scum saying this almost ever.
This is strange:Good call. If we lynch mafia today, I think the Vig could consider shooting, maybe TWMing it.Shoot me? Shooooot meee?
Doesn't look like these two are teamed unless its an act and its kinda OTT for an act.
Then later:Good call. If we lynch mafia today, I think the Vig could consider shooting, maybe TWMing it.
Horrible idea. TWM is Town for IDP shading him. bold added
BTW:
Vote: Cuzz
Boom!
You reply to the same post twice with a completely different response both times.
This almost seems opportunistic or something with you timing flipping on and jumping onto the Cuzz wagon. You just called TWM's case tin-foily and said everything you've seen from Cuzz is pro-town:I think TWM's case on me actually makes me lean towards a townread on him. It seems like genuine scumhunting and I'd find it reasonable if I didn't know my own alignment. It reminds me a little of faust's case on me in M100, (where we were both town and he ended up vigging me).If you are town, and you certainly could be see a similar situation in M103 where I defended scum Faust day from a lynch as town and was heavily suspected or M98 where everyone thought I was mcmc's partner and I got lynched for it, what I want from you is your own scum hunting. I know my case on you is pretty good, it might not be perfect,but it is good. I am not going to give it up unless I see something better. See if you can find something better. And you might not and that would suck if you are town. But we are Ina position, thanks to the people on wagon Day1, where it probably wouldn't suck horrendously.
Everything I have seen from Cuzz has seemed like Pro-Town behavior. It makes your case on him look a bit tin-foily.
and now you are drilling him.
Vote: Quicksync
Yes, clearly its poor form to reevaluate someone after rereading :///
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 05:13:33 pm »Awesome. Thanks for the clarification.
More follow up: Do these people you reread have names or anything? I assume you're referring to people in this game but that only narrows it down so much.
Well, who do you remember pushing and what reads do you remember having?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 05:01:13 pm »L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)
New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).
So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.
If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.
I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.
Can you elaborate?
Why should I have to elaborate? You asked for 2 sentences, I gave you 3.
I never claimed that you didn't fulfill the initial request. But nevertheless your response leaves me wondering what are the "some of the stances" that you're referring to so I chose to ask for a little follow up.
You spent the last couple pages defending me and calling TWM's case on me "asinine" so I am naturally curious as to what exactly made you change your mind.
The only new information in the time since you were defending me was my back and forth with TWM. Yet you claim your change of heart is not because of anything I said in response to the case on me, but because of my reads, which are not new. So I do think some elaboration would be helpful to anyone trying to understand where you're coming from.
Ppe: ic
Your problem is that I reread some people, not that I was analyzing the same thing with the same eyes.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 05:00:21 pm »Unvote from Cuzz. Just reread him, and his "strong suspicion" that TWM is hung up on was specifically that there was a scum between IDPTG and luckat, not that it was on IDPTG specifically, which is what I was thinking until I checked. Personally, I buy the town-incorrectly-reading-Robz (pretty easy to do) narrative more than the flaked-on-voting-a-partner narrative at the moment. More evidence could possibly shift me back, but not the current line of reasoning.
PPE 1
If it was JUST the Robz/IDP thing, I'd be inclined to agree. But IMO, its not.
To me its like this: One poor read/push, whatever. Stack them up and it begins to paint a different story. Cuzz's "scum hunting" looks good as a once over, but its pretty underperforming and obvious when placed under scrutiny.
Have I even asked any questions yet this game? I forget
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 04:51:08 pm »
BTW Cuzz is repping VT so if he claims a PR, I am not going to buy it for a second.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 04:45:08 pm »L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)
New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).
So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.
If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.
I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.
Can you elaborate?
Why should I have to elaborate? You asked for 2 sentences, I gave you 3.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 04:19:07 pm »L-2 I think (modquest: slightly more frequent vote counts please?)
New plan for if I end up as default lynch: people voting for me provide a 2 sentence explanation as to why (TWM has done so already), so that town has something to analyze when I flip town. From your perspective this should be a protown thing to do information-wise even if I flip scum (spoiler alert: I won't). Tomorrow, lynch anyone who refuses to do so (except Dylan).
So far QS, E, and, annoyingly, Dylan have given nothing to go with their vote.
If you're thinking anyone's lack of justification might have something to do with an investigative result on me, do remember to ditch that theory when I flip town.
I find it unreasonable for you to have some of the stances/pushes that you have demonstrated as someone with a Town mindset. I came to this conclusion after rereading a few people. TWM's case has substance, it just isn't articulated very well.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 01:33:37 pm »Good call. If we lynch mafia today, I think the Vig could consider shooting, maybe TWMing it.
Horrible idea. TWM is Town for IDP shading him.
BTW:
Vote: Cuzz
Boom!
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 01:10:36 pm »Alright. I am satisfied enough that I am not going to quibble over small points. Others can decide for themselves.
But again, from you at this point, I am sticking with my vote on you until something better comes up. No one that has argued against my read on you has even tried to provide an alternative.
:thinking:
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 11:26:51 am »And calling it tin-hat is preposterous. It might be wrong. But it is based on his actual posts and his actual interactions with IDPTG.
In my book there are a couple of tiers of townie behavior. The first one is voting for a lynching IDPTG. Cuzz doesn't fall into this (I fully realize I don't fall into this grouping as well, so feel free to apply the same metric to me).
All other behavior that may or may not be Pro-Town doesn't get him anywhere close. Instead there is 20-20 Anti-Town behavior. Tapping the breaks on a player that was lynched as scum, questioning and suspecting the number one player leading that charge and when actually put in the spot light about IDPTG, Cuzz came up with the most stereotypical and made up answer "lurking" that has zero grounds for a "strong suspicion."
Actually point out these Pro-Town posts of your and show how they are Pro-Town. I'll look at them. But if I had to guess, yours are going to be more tin-hat and pseduoscience based than what I have above.
My problem with your whole argument is that it basically boils down to Cuzz having an incorrect read. In my mind this is beyond a shallow perspective of the game. You cannot objectively say that you Scum read someone for their involvement on on a Wagon - either if its a Town wagon (and you are saying they are Scum for being on a Town lynch) nor a Scum wagon because its basically a fact as substantiated as any fact is that people are going to be wrong in their reads on people. I mean, the simple counter to your argument is that cuzz was in deliberation on their Scum read of IDP which literally happens constantly in this meta game we play called Mafia. You are basically producing a Scum read on someone who is doing something that every Town person does every single game because it just so happened to happen at a time when it was observable. That is why your case is essentially asinine.
IDP
EBWOP
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 11:22:23 am »And calling it tin-hat is preposterous. It might be wrong. But it is based on his actual posts and his actual interactions with IDPTG.
In my book there are a couple of tiers of townie behavior. The first one is voting for a lynching IDPTG. Cuzz doesn't fall into this (I fully realize I don't fall into this grouping as well, so feel free to apply the same metric to me).
All other behavior that may or may not be Pro-Town doesn't get him anywhere close. Instead there is 20-20 Anti-Town behavior. Tapping the breaks on a player that was lynched as scum, questioning and suspecting the number one player leading that charge and when actually put in the spot light about IDPTG, Cuzz came up with the most stereotypical and made up answer "lurking" that has zero grounds for a "strong suspicion."
Actually point out these Pro-Town posts of your and show how they are Pro-Town. I'll look at them. But if I had to guess, yours are going to be more tin-hat and pseduoscience based than what I have above.
My problem with your whole argument is that it basically boils down to Cuzz having an incorrect read. In my mind this is beyond a shallow perspective of the game. You cannot objectively say that you Scum read someone for their involvement on on a Wagon - either if its a Town wagon (and you are saying they are Scum for being on a Town lynch) nor a Scum wagon because its basically a fact as substantiated as any fact is that people are going to be wrong in their reads on people. I mean, the simple counter to your argument is that cuzz was in deliberation on their Scum read of TPD which literally happens constantly in this meta game we play called Mafia. You are basically producing a Scum read on someone who is doing something that every Town person does every single game because it just so happened to happen at a time when it was observable. That is why your case is essentially asinine.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 29, 2017, 06:20:15 am »I think TWM's case on me actually makes me lean towards a townread on him. It seems like genuine scumhunting and I'd find it reasonable if I didn't know my own alignment. It reminds me a little of faust's case on me in M100, (where we were both town and he ended up vigging me).If you are town, and you certainly could be see a similar situation in M103 where I defended scum Faust day from a lynch as town and was heavily suspected or M98 where everyone thought I was mcmc's partner and I got lynched for it, what I want from you is your own scum hunting. I know my case on you is pretty good, it might not be perfect,but it is good. I am not going to give it up unless I see something better. See if you can find something better. And you might not and that would suck if you are town. But we are Ina position, thanks to the people on wagon Day1, where it probably wouldn't suck horrendously.
Everything I have seen from Cuzz has seemed like Pro-Town behavior. It makes your case on him look a bit tin-foily.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 28, 2017, 04:50:02 pm »Or you are more ready to pounce on any perceived mistake or unusual post than you are at actually looking at the substance and context?Seriously. Robz is dead and I am voting for Cuzz. How could those even be my reads?
I am just too much of a special snowflake, I guess.
Pretty much, yeah.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M104: Mafia Games Mafia (D2)
« on: July 28, 2017, 02:24:53 pm »Seriously. Robz is dead and I am voting for Cuzz. How could those even be my reads?
I am just too much of a special snowflake, I guess.