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Forum Games / Re: How to Balance a Mafia Game (A Community Project I Hope!)

« on: July 30, 2019, 03:13:39 pm »

implosion is the name of the moderator in charge of normal games writ large


i dislike godfather yeah. if you get a cop inno or a tracker no-visit with one mafia left, you know that person is town............................... unless they're a godfather/ninja! and there isn't anywhere for you to go from there - there's a few shallow ways to try to deduce whether somebody is godfather / ninja (like - did they say "investigate me!!!" ? no? ok well thats the end of the flowchart) it's just a question of "do i think the mod would put one of those in this setup?" which itself is really hard to assign any actual value to.


what often happens when somebody gets a false inno, then, is that either scum wins or it gets down to like one scum left. in general, something i find is that when there's one scum left, activity and scumhunting slow down a lot and the person who got false inno'd can just sort of coast along and rely on the fact that it would be hard for the remaining townies to doubt them. and games like that are just really tiring i think.


i can PM you the setup if you'd like

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Forum Games / Re: Invitation to the Mafia Championship (season 6)

« on: July 30, 2019, 01:51:24 pm »

oh nice!

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Forum Games / Re: How to Balance a Mafia Game (A Community Project I Hope!)

« on: July 30, 2019, 01:41:49 pm »

here are (part of the) results of a poll i took about a year ago. missing bars, in order:

• negative utility roles in general, 6/31
• mafia ninja, 12/31
• high power setups (strong town vs. strong scum roles), 7/31
• people being shitty to each other, 28/31

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Forum Games / Re: How to Balance a Mafia Game (A Community Project I Hope!)

« on: July 30, 2019, 01:34:13 pm »

oh yeah town rolestopper about as good as doctor imo. sure it blocks out other investigatives (watcher!) or whatever but it also blocks out scum roleblockers / invests on the town PR that you're saving. and like if you have a town watcher and a town doctor/rolestopper in your game then that can get rough anyway. also the norm on MS is that it works in spite of strongman i think. ok

on with some Fun Suggestions

• role modifiers! not just 1-shot 2-shot red-shot blue-shot. loyal: only works if you target the same alignment; see also disloyal. loyal doctor and disloyal roleblocker both have a way of saving headache. weak: dies if it visits opposite alignment. already used here i think but probably not ENOUGH!! both of these change how something gets used. loud: lets its target know "hey [player] visited you" whenever it targets someone. really fun to add on to scum roles, especially investigatives. odd-night/even-night/novice: i.e., this role can only be used on odd-nights or even-nights; novice means "not the first night". also if you want you can specify a list of nights that the role can work; in particular i like "nights 2 & 3". x-shot is fun in concept but often means "hey this role can't be nightkilled effectively because it will probably be done with its work by the time you find it" and i think it's crucial for scum to be able to hunt PRs. combined: just graft two roles on top of each other, sort of like jailkeeper. combined rolecop tracker is a fun idea; you get detailed information but you also have to choose between tracking the same target or getting new rolecop results
• use gunsmith instead of cop - gunsmith finds people who have a gun, i.e., all mafia (except mafia doctors/healers!!) plus town roles like cop, jailkeeper, vigilante, other gunsmith, et cetera. doesn't find SK since they use knives or whatever. haven't you watched dexter?? i vastly prefer gunsmith since a really good scum can wriggle out of it if they get guiltied - imagine being somebody who everyone knows is a good scum player so everyone knows to just cop you right away. kind of sucks!!
• i personally dislike: ninja, traitor, serial killer (!), survivor (!!!!!!!!!!) (!!!!) (do not use this please) (it's somebody who has almost nothing to do the whole game except worry. at LEAST give them something interesting to do other than Just Survive)
• if somebody wants a cool setup to run, i have a 9p non-role-madness that i can call my magnum opus after a couple years of modding. the thing is that it's closed and i have run it before on MS - if you want, i can send it to somebody to rerun and you guys can rely on the honor system / the fact that it's kind of hard to find; or, i can give you guys the post-mortem as to what mechanic(s) i think worked

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Forum Games / Re: How to Balance a Mafia Game (A Community Project I Hope!)

« on: July 30, 2019, 01:17:12 pm »

oh man wow i miss this forum. i accidentally pressed ctrl shift t at the end of a rather long post so i'm doing the slightly abbreviated version lest i lose my mind. ask me to elaborate on these if necessary. i have a lot of experience reviewing over the years and especially a lot of experience reviewing games that are mostly comprised of the roles we're voting on. i'd say for the most part i agree with the distribution with a few comments/sticking points

• neighbors/neighborizers aren't that strong i find. the consensus on MS is that you don't even treat them as the same amount of power as like the most basic investigative. they just rarely make or break the game and people aren't even active in them half the time. i promise. might be wrong about how effective they are on this forum but they tend to be overestimated as well, stuff that happens in neighborhoods could often have just happened in thread with a tad more work. still feel free to put them in your games though, they're fun
• i promise neapolitan is like a 4/5 when at least 1/3 of the game is VTs. even when there's just like 1 or 2 it's still good since it makes it hard to fakeclaim VT
• pretty confident watcher is a 5 or rounds up to 5. focus on the nightkill
• a mason pair is a 4/5. i suppose an individual mason is 2/5. is there anyone on this forum that's good at math that can help me out? (aside: i'm now studying math/statistics at my school)
• just found it funny that everybody put UB at 3. yup! totally depends
• vig is a 5 when mafia are unable to kill and there aren't serial killers, because finding the extra kill confirms the claimant as town. otherwise it's a 4 maybe. i really hope the idea that vig shouldn't shoot is like dead here, even if you're just shooting consensus scummies you're vastly helping town unless you think reads are worthless (..................which i also hope is a dead idea here)

other things fun to put in your game actually no screw it i'm clicking post here and doing this in another one

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Forum Games / Re: Invitation to the Mafia Championship (season 6)

« on: July 30, 2019, 12:40:31 pm »

grats on third!!

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: schadnd

« on: April 17, 2019, 04:40:35 pm »

yeah

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Let's Discuss ... / Re: empires: overlord

« on: December 02, 2018, 01:03:41 am »

-i mean seriously. why would you need paradoxes for robot defense when you could just say, alright. you play an overlord and there's count, artificer, archive, graverobber, cartographer, and tactician on the board.

i have no idea what this means at all

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: schadnd

« on: October 18, 2018, 12:34:21 am »

this was like really fun, thanks to everyone that played this

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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part IV

« on: October 13, 2018, 02:04:11 pm »

kuildeous r u married? @kuildeous

Yes.

congrats dude!!!!

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Dominion Articles / Re: Gear

« on: August 19, 2018, 03:25:46 pm »

I immediately thought of the comparison to Haven, rather than Moat.

yeah this dude knows

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Dominion Articles / Re: Gear

« on: August 19, 2018, 03:20:24 pm »

At first glance, Gear looks similar to Moat

its orange actually

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.

« on: August 12, 2018, 01:03:27 pm »

I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T

if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.

I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?

I actually also don't know what the letters stand for

It means starting an out-of-nowhere wagon on someone close to the deadline and getting him lynched instead of the current wagons. Good if the current wagons aren't.

chinese fire drill

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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part IV

« on: August 10, 2018, 10:32:03 pm »

kuildeous r u married? @kuildeous

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Meta: Does f.ds Mafia have a future?

« on: August 10, 2018, 04:00:39 pm »

a committed subforum for hidden threads (i.e., certain people get access to a thread instead of using QT) is common/expected most places. idk if this forum has that functionality, thinking out loud

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Meta: Does f.ds Mafia have a future?

« on: August 10, 2018, 03:58:42 pm »

from what i understand the big appeal of someone interested in mafia for a small site like fds is the specific people that are playing here. for example i played here a lot bc even though i don't really mesh with the style here, i know everybody already and have a basis for reading/acting, etc. some people want to play a bunch of different places to like explore different metas, i know for example that jan and fontisian visited here and have been trekking all over the forum mafiaverse

it's tough to get people that are really interested in general forum mafia to play here i think because for most purposes, places like MS and MU are going to be better since there's always going to be games ready and a more diverse set of games/people there as well.

i think if a few people coordinated a big event and talked about it somewhere or got some big names on the MU discord (does anyone know amrock? lmao) to talk about it then people would join and maybe check out the site and accrue name recognition, etc.

things like:

• no maximum / large maximum player count
• short deadlines
• ITAs (in thread attacks, ability for anybody to shoot someone in the thread during the day with like 15% chance to kill)
• other incidental gameplay events (e.g. sub-games that a subset of players can opt to play)
• role madness or generally fun/neat roles

routinely get huge playerlists very quickly on MU and have been mediumly popular on MS. people will wanna post a lot though

also, like, if somebody else wants to make pilgrimages to MS and MU and like ToS forum and MTG salvation and some other big forums and be like "if you liked playing with me you can visit fds which is the meta i come from." i think mtg salvation in particular is this forum's speed.

lastly, it's not like a problem if it's just you guys playing with each other. i don't really think there is a decline in forum use happening that's worth worrying about. i think there will continue to be a medium trickle of newbies for like a while, idk

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: f.ds Mafia Hub

« on: July 21, 2018, 08:14:35 pm »

ooh ppe

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: f.ds Mafia Hub

« on: July 21, 2018, 08:14:17 pm »

also faust9++ is vewy scumsided

in the baseline 9v3 town has to be right more than half of the time which is Tough (the random chance game of vanilla 8v3 +innocent is 16.9%; most games that people consider playable like to be in the low 30s)

i think 1-shot governor has very little utility and takes up 2 rolls (you usually.... want to lynch who you're lynching; no lynch/wait for kill will still be the thing to do in mylo so you can't catch quickhammers with it)

bodyguard, 1-shot commuter, 1-night PGO i think are also all pretty weak. i can elaborate if u need me to. i think it's fine that pgo is weak because it's funny but there are a lot of roles that i don't think help town very much in a setup where Town Needs Help

note that c9++ and jk9++ both have only 2 scum with 5 or 6 T rolls

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: f.ds Mafia Hub

« on: July 21, 2018, 07:30:40 pm »

who would you assign virgin to

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (TOWN WINS!)

« on: July 18, 2018, 05:26:26 pm »

im gnna count this as a loss so that my win-loss is 6-9

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Neat card interactions that were useful in the game you found them in.

« on: July 18, 2018, 05:23:53 pm »

Emporium + Duplicate

You can choose to call Duplicates before checking to see if you have enough Actions in play to gain 2VP, apparently.  So if you call enough Duplicates, you can get VP for all the Emporia you gain, even if you didn't have enough Actions in play when you actually first gained one.

i initially interpreted this like "if u miscount ur action cards it's not as bad because you just don't call any duplicates"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: f.ds Mafia Hub

« on: June 09, 2018, 08:41:52 pm »

setup u guys might like

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 1)

« on: May 10, 2018, 01:28:33 am »

their normal self

Reading this again a suddenly became very confused about whether this should read "their normal self" or "their normal selves".

"self" because this isn't a hydra game.

also I'm against claiming because I'm pro-fun and mafia is at it's worst when we waste pages and pages on D1 deciding not to massclaim and then subsequently don't massclaim.

this is probably town

Survey time!

People who are not faust or Awaclus: do you think their discussion is alignment-indicative for:
a) Awaclus
b) Both
f) faust
n) Neither?

Bonus question
Are you reading their discussion for:
d) Detailed following of the logical arguments
g) Gist/tone
v) all of the aboVe
z) You fell asleep already.

i feel like u want to lynch one of them

i would say i definitely don't pull anything from it for faust

Anyone know what's up with schadd? He doesn't have an active VLA posted, but he did say he wasn't going to be participating much in D1.. which seems odd because I thought D1 shenanigans was the bit he tended to enjoy most. Hey @schadd, please exist some more :-)

end of school year

where are there shenanigans happening

Day 1 read list to do something I guess.

1  = town 10 = scum

1: Robz888 6.1(mild scum read)
2: 2.71828..... 5(yup)
3: Jimmmmm 6.3(just really for lurkiness i guess but thats pretty standard if I recall)
4: Hydrad 0(IC)
5: pingpongsam 4.5(pretty much neutral)
6: datswan 3.8(kinda like him so far)
7: Xxraptorslayer96 6(I have no past data to back this up)
8: Witherweaver 4.2(ur ok)
9: schadd 5(hasn't been able to be around much)
10: Cuzz 6.4(no real reason)
11: Awaclus 3.2(I actually like awaclus here)
12: Faust 6.7(scummiest read actually, mainly just because I don't feel like i'm getting the usual town!faust vibes I remember having. But at the same time I havn't played in a while that the vibes could be off. Plus scum likes to kill faust anyways so I don't think I'll vote here today)
13: SpaceAnemonie 4(ur now towny)

how r me and jimm different

I am sort of getting a scum read on Hydrad FWIW. Lots of try-hard posts that say very little, and the attempt at overly-precise reads seems forced.

Vote: Hydrad

Could you explain/exemplify overly-precise reads?

He used decimal pts on the "how scummy, 1-10" scale for ppl:

Day 1 read list to do something I guess.

1  = town 10 = scum

1: Robz888 6.1(mild scum read)
2: 2.71828..... 5(yup)
3: Jimmmmm 6.3(just really for lurkiness i guess but thats pretty standard if I recall)
4: Hydrad 0(IC)
5: pingpongsam 4.5(pretty much neutral)
6: datswan 3.8(kinda like him so far)
7: Xxraptorslayer96 6(I have no past data to back this up)
8: Witherweaver 4.2(ur ok)
9: schadd 5(hasn't been able to be around much)
10: Cuzz 6.4(no real reason)
11: Awaclus 3.2(I actually like awaclus here)
12: Faust 6.7(scummiest read actually, mainly just because I don't feel like i'm getting the usual town!faust vibes I remember having. But at the same time I havn't played in a while that the vibes could be off. Plus scum likes to kill faust anyways so I don't think I'll vote here today)
13: SpaceAnemonie 4(ur now towny)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9069739#p9069739

off the top of my head

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 1)

« on: May 06, 2018, 09:59:08 pm »

hydrad + ww kindatown

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia 116: The Magicians Mafia (Day 1)

« on: May 06, 2018, 09:58:19 pm »

@Awaclus, what's to stop scum claiming each other's slots in this plan you're promoting?

hmmmm