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I rolled my eyes at that post, it was so early and in multi-ball it isn't like you can KNOW who town is even if you're scum.
You can know who your partners are.

But, and maybe I'm misunderstanding what you were trying to convey, it seemed to me like you were saying, "Look at all the town people SA put on the would lynch side of life."  That isn't a fair assessment.
I'm rather saying "look how Space kept most of their potential partners off their would lynchs". That the would lynch list contains lots of town is a consequence of that.

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I rolled my eyes at that post, it was so early and in multi-ball it isn't like you can KNOW who town is even if you're scum.
You can know who your partners are.

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The only reason I added point 6 above was that I was trying to help town in the limited time I had available at that point in D1, and posting lists of behaviours people can them hold you to is something I see as townie, because if I suddenly started voting opportunistically on people I'd said I wouldn't want to vote for, then you could tell I wasn't playing in a way that was true to my earlier sentiments.
Or you know, if they suddenly started claiming that they put people on lists for different reasons than stated at the time.

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I'm sorry if you don't like the way I'd chosen my words, but the fact is that raerae and Shraeye were both up there because I wasn't interested in voting for them on D1 them without playing a bit more first. You and Ash were there because it's silly to kill you off early when you usually get NKd and/or are forced into pro-town play when you're scum, for meta reasons. That doesn't mean I was explicitly townreading the two of you either.
That may well be the case, but you did not say so, so it is disingenuous of you to accuse me of misrepresenting it when my interpretation was based directly on what you wrote.

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6) Actually, I've played consistently, given that I've supported lynches of people on my stated would-lynch list. Do really you think scum!me would have put all my partners in the upper section and mostly only townies in the lower section?
Yep, it is oh so townie to never change your reads on anyone after D1. And yes I do. I mean obviously you'd have tried to put people from the other scum faction in the lower section, but I'd expect your partners being in the top part.

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faust also misrepresented me as "protecting" Shraeye when all I did was say I wasn't voting for his lynch D1 because he was a new-to-me player.

Again, happy to put this one to this audience:

No interest in lynching (townreads, people I think are not good D1 lynches, newbie)
[...]
9. Shraeye
The bracket doesn't include "new-to-me players" as a reason.
In fact, you also didn't play with Eddie, and he's on your would lynch list in this.

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faust also misrepresented me as "protecting" Shraeye when all I did was say I wasn't voting for his lynch D1 because he was a new-to-me player.

Again, happy to put this one to this audience:

No interest in lynching (townreads, people I think are not good D1 lynches, newbie)
[...]
9. Shraeye
The bracket doesn't include "new-to-me players" as a reason.

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PPE faust: Trying to pass this case off on us is outright scummy, as are the uncalled for attacking comments in his most recent post.
That case seems to rely strongly on the assumption that you are town. Also it is based on 2 posts and ignores everything else. It doesn't do a lot to convince me.
What have I overlooked? And I'm not trying to convince you to vote MiX, I'm trying to convince you to unvote Space.
Well for starters shraeye townread MiX on D1 and then suddenly flipped at the start of D2. I just don't think he has incentive to do that to a partner. And MiX has been a top lynch candidate for almost the whole game with very little reasoning, the strongest point being raerae's speculations on reasons to kill off Glooble.

Space on the other hand has pushed for the lynch of townies all game, has thrown out that e wagon analysis and referenced it multiple times without ever investigating the people implicated by it (D2 they decided to reread me and Eddie over the people they supposedly suspected), protected shraeye, posted very little in terms of reads and joined all the mislynch wagons.

Your misrepresenting shraeye's MiX feelings, giving somebody a D1 pass isn't the same as town reading them.

Here's who seems like they're engaging well, acting towny to me; drawing questions/discussions about eachother:
MiX

I will let the audience judge on who's doing the misrepresenting.

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Actually now that we can assume that we still have a form of protection, I think we should force Cop claims.

Worthless if cops have 2 or less innocent results. We have ONE bus drive and that's it. Regardless we need a Garak claim because if they're scum they won't protect the cops.
I disagree. And scum Garak may well protect the Cop for the other team. How long do you think we should wait for Cop results?

One day. And your argument, while good...well, might kill our Maquis cop while there's no MU. Too risky, cops know what they know and they should know when it's good to claim.
Then we know that Garak is scum. So just as good as having another night of Cop results. In fact I'd argue that a Cop is more likely to die tonight if we don't claim.

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Actually now that we can assume that we still have a form of protection, I think we should force Cop claims.

Worthless if cops have 2 or less innocent results. We have ONE bus drive and that's it. Regardless we need a Garak claim because if they're scum they won't protect the cops.
I disagree. And scum Garak may well protect the Cop for the other team. How long do you think we should wait for Cop results?

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Plus 80% (<- hyperbole (probably?)) of Space's posts are focused on probability talk, which gives the illusion of helpfulness without any meaningful content. In my eyes anyway.

It's an easy way to say a lot and nothing at the same time.
But I don't think that is alignment indicative for Space. Well a little in that they are playing within their meta, but not significantly.

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Actually now that we can assume that we still have a form of protection, I think we should force Cop claims.

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@faust: I'll unvote MiX if you unvote Space.
I'll unvote Space if you claim Cop with an innocent result on them.

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Who here thinks that scum!Space would have been so vocal in pointing out all the known towns on that e wagon if their partner was one of the unknowns?
Me.

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PPE faust: Trying to pass this case off on us is outright scummy, as are the uncalled for attacking comments in his most recent post.
That case seems to rely strongly on the assumption that you are town. Also it is based on 2 posts and ignores everything else. It doesn't do a lot to convince me.
What have I overlooked? And I'm not trying to convince you to vote MiX, I'm trying to convince you to unvote Space.
Well for starters shraeye townread MiX on D1 and then suddenly flipped at the start of D2. I just don't think he has incentive to do that to a partner. And MiX has been a top lynch candidate for almost the whole game with very little reasoning, the strongest point being raerae's speculations on reasons to kill off Glooble.

Space on the other hand has pushed for the lynch of townies all game, has thrown out that e wagon analysis and referenced it multiple times without ever investigating the people implicated by it (D2 they decided to reread me and Eddie over the people they supposedly suspected), protected shraeye, posted very little in terms of reads and joined all the mislynch wagons.

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MiX: Do you think EFHW/Didds could both be Maquis?

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PPE faust: Trying to pass this case off on us is outright scummy, as are the uncalled for attacking comments in his most recent post.
That case seems to rely strongly on the assumption that you are town. Also it is based on 2 posts and ignores everything else. It doesn't do a lot to convince me.

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Unhelpfulness is a scum trait. And Space being helpful certainly doesn't exonerate UoS,  ash or Eddie.
So why are you voting MiX and not one of those unhelpful people?
Because he is being outright scummy.
How?

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And if neither EFHW and Didds are Maquis then you have a really strong incentive to post that VCA as Maquis, but I'm not so sure your VCAs are that alignment indicative...
OKay you meant something different from what I thought you meant. This just says that he isn't sure.
It's his ONLY argument for Space being Maquis if Didds and I aren't. I asked for the VCA. It's completely NAI.
Well Didds is scummy, you are not towny, so again, good enough.

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Unhelpfulness is a scum trait. And Space being helpful certainly doesn't exonerate UoS,  ash or Eddie.
So why are you voting MiX and not one of those unhelpful people?

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And if neither EFHW and Didds are Maquis then you have a really strong incentive to post that VCA as Maquis, but I'm not so sure your VCAs are that alignment indicative...
OKay you meant something different from what I thought you meant. This just says that he isn't sure.

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Seriously? That whole analysis was based on finding a partner for me or Didds, and we haven't flipped anything!
Except it wasn't. It also handled the case that neither of you are scum.

No mention of UoS, ash, or Eddie, who are completely unknown quantities who have been much less helpful than Space.
Helpfulness is a bad indicator of scumminess. If anything, I think helpful people are usually more likely scum, and certainly so in Space's case.

He says the VCAs are NAI, but then uses them as proof they are Maquis if neither of me or Didds are.
Where was this?

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Good enough.

Vote: Space

L-2...? I think...?
Oh you are voting there as well. Funny how that is exactly the composition of the late D1 wagon on Space.

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Sorry, missed coloring chicken. Was not meant to misrespresent stuff.

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I was looking through some early Space posts. Look at this gem:

I'm approximately 70 posts behind in terms of reading, and I'm at a work party tonight. To avoid being completely useless, here's the fastest thing I can do:

No interest in lynching (townreads, people I think are not good D1 lynches, newbie)
3. LaLight
7. WestCoastDidds
8. SpaceAnemone
9. Shraeye
11. faust
12. ashersky
17. raerae
18. chickenwarlord

Little interest in lynching (feeling meh on, but happy about the fact they're posting stuff)
5. mcmcsalot
2. UmbrageOfSnow

Happy to go along with a lynch/have no opinion on (scumreads up to null people I don't have strong feelings about)
1. Jimmmmm
4. DatSwan
6. Glooble
10. MiX
13. 2.71828.....
14. Robz888
15. Awaclus
16. Uncleeurope

Things I will try to do before deadline:
1) Re-read everyone on the bottom list there.
2) Get the vote counter set up so I can try to post useful vote counts. The deadline is 1pm my time, which is totally civilised for me, so I should be here from 2-3 hours beforehand.
(coloring mine)

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