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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: Today at 03:39:46 am »
Ah, true.

The thing is that I find it hard to believe they wouldn't discuss the setup at Night after claims went weirdly. It's possible that the whole thing was staged I suppose.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: Today at 03:35:34 am »
I doubt they had the EE stuff figured out, so they'd have to think that there is lying town.

Swowl had the same EE interpretation as Dylan, and was just assuming it was true. So Swowl at least didn't think there was lying Town. I'm inclined to think it wasn't discussed in the QT, so who knows what other scum thought.
I don't think he did, going by this:
this is incorrect.. EE is 2x of 1 shot doc OR 1shot cop x2
He seemed to think it's 2 of either 1-shot Doc or 1-shot Cop, but not that it could be just a single 1-shot Doc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: Today at 02:48:14 am »
Although when I saw the Swowl flip I thought maybe e was a full Cop. Which must be part of why they killed him instead of Didds.
IDK. I mean e didn't share any more results, that's a pretty clear indication that he wasn't a full Cop. After Swowl died he was every bit as much IC as Didds, so which of those they killed didn't matter apart from WIFOMing and killing the more dangerous one.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: Today at 12:44:29 am »
Alright then.

Vote: math

Maybe I'll still do that Jimmmmm reread. It doesn't quite seem necessary though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 18, 2021, 09:38:46 am »
Let's finish it! math D4 here we come.

My list... chum to scum

WCD - obvious
joth - nothing specific, but generally getting town vibes
e - I really want to believe the cop claim
Jim - mostly null... nothing has stood out from him since D1
Swowl - when he's here, he posts thoughtful stuff, but mostly seems to not be around or contribute much (1 week, for 1 game day... okay. But 3 and counting could be hiding)
faust - start of D3 was just way too much... seems like some hidden agenda
This has Swowl... not quite as his first choice going into D4.

Swowl - when he's here, he posts thoughtful stuff, but mostly seems to not be around or contribute much (1 week, for 1 game day... okay. But 3 and counting could be hiding)
this is what I mean about scum to chum lists by the way. It's D3 with a scum flip and mathdude doesn't have anything better on Swowl than "he's lurking". That's not going to help us.

Lurking through 3 full game days?  That's not a fallback, or lame read.  That's a scumtell.  Not sure if it's one for Swowl, but I know some of my past few games, I've seen at least 1, and sometimes 2 of the scum post just enough to not get prodded, and just slide through most of the game that way.  I feel Swowl's doing that here.  When he does post after an absence, there were a few too many "catching up" or "just checking in, but still gone for a bit" posts for me to believe they're genuine.
Maybe at this point I have a lot of bias, but this seems the kind of read that results from overreacting to your partner doing something you perceive as scummy because you already know they're scum.

But I don't agree with your conclusion... because e could be scum.  If he fake-claimed guilty on partner (which I know people say is unlikely), then you all know it's actually TTTME, and there's still a possibility for the final letter to be E (another 1-shot doctor, or a real 1-shot cop), C (a real 1-shot cop), D (full doctor), or even B (roleblocker), or another T (VT).  I think it's even possible e is scum and you (faust) are town and were just mistaken, while he, iguana, and their other partner are glad you jumped in hard on e so they didn't have to get as involved in the discussion.
This is again pretty incriminating. From a town POV, there's no use speculating about more PRs; we had a massclaim. But scum still thinks there's some lying town out there because the letter don't match up. This theory would imply that they didn't figure out the EE stuff at Night.

So 1-shot cop doesn't make sense, based on how you presented results yesterday.  Full cop makes very little sense.  Scum makes more sense.  Kill a partner early, get town-cred for the rest of the game, but it just didn't work out the way you were hoping.
I'm saying if e is actually town, I'd find it more believable if he's actually a full cop who lied to protect himself, than that he's telling the truth.
This is further proof of that, believing that e could be a full Cop somehow.

Then math and Swowl talk about the EE thing - it seems likely that they just now realized the "weird" reading. math also continues to post voting pattern that he never actually does any analysis on.

Let's move on. Faust is right that we're getting nowhere by holding here. We're either right or we're wrong, and we won't know until a flip.

Vote: Swowl
X-1, I believe
Then he jumps on Swowl. The dude has been a dead man walking for a while at that point.

So all in all... math is incredibly scummy. I came into this thinking Jimmmmm was the more likely scum, now I've changed my mind. I will still reread Jimmmmm of course, who know maybe he was even more scummy.


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 18, 2021, 08:12:20 am »
math D3. This should be fun!

Of the 4 that jumped to WCD EoD, only joth and e are still alive. I still don't get why it happened. And with the other 2 votes confirmed town now, I'm not sure what the play was. Is one of them scum? Both? Could they both be town? Why would 4 town make a last minute move like that? Sure, if they absolutely know someone is scum... but otherwise, they've left us with a useless EoD, which was effectively D1 and it doesn't help today. And because of that, I feel like the move was scum-driven.
Right from the start mathdude pushes an angle that is very convenient for scum!him.

I believe I'm next in line. So if 2 or 3 more people say go ahead and there's no resistance, I'll continue the claims. But if there is still hesitation, then we should probably wait.
This is seems very eager to please the crowd. The Masons already said they want the massclaim, are you looking for scum's input or what?

The other thing is the LaLight kill N1. It has "trying to avoid the Doctor target" written all over it. However... that would only be a concern if scum doesn't have a full Strongman. That means that there are at most three non-T letters in the setup. And we already have

E - EFHW
M - MiX/Didds
E/C - Swowl

There isn't room for another Cop.

Are you still on this set of beliefs for setup?  Is it possible that e is a cop and there are less T's than expected?  Might the scum have a strongman and they went after LL for a different reason?  Or is this what you would have us believe?
This is very telling I feel like. "Less Ts than expected", "scum has the Strongman" - all things scum knew at the time were true.

I haven't decided yet.  I'm leaning toward scum!e, just based on timing, the vague claim, and a few other little things.  But I'm not putting a vote there yet.
Pretty hedge.

I've said multiple times that I think it's almost too convenient that everything lines up for if e is lying scum. I think that's the answer, and since that will no longer put him at X-1, I will
Vote: e
This is at a point where iguana is at 3 votes, and the only person currently voting for e. It look pretty desperate if math is scum. Would he not have gone for the bus?

Alright, so this D3 from scum's perspective: There are not enough claims from town. I doubt they had the EE stuff figured out, so they'd have to think that there is lying town. A sensible option for that would be that e is lying and actually a full Cop with a not-useful N1 result -  his claim was a bit dodgy after all. Through that lens it makes more sense to be pushing e: You can just say "oh well, he was lying after all and that's what I picked up on". So it's a bit of a safer push. It's also more important to get rid of fullcop!e -  iguana was their RB, if he gets exiled then they basically have to use the NK on e.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 18, 2021, 06:51:36 am »
While I'm at it, here are the highlights from math's D2:

I just re-read all of LaLight's 27 posts.

Basically he was pushing pretty hard for MiX and faust.

So let's go from that pool.

I know, I know, WIFOM, but we never actually sheep the dead's reads so scum won't have counted on us doing it.

Also either of those flips are going to be pretty informational.

vote: MiX

Bold added for emphasis. I know my experience here is fairly limited. But I have noticed that through my games here, the dead have an above average probability of having correct reads, yet we almost never do anything about it.

I doubt we're lucky enough that LL picked 2 on D1. But between the two, I still feel MiX is town-ish, so to start the day, I'll sheep LL's faust suspicion for now.

Vote: faust
This is very strange, considering that he townread me at the end of D1 and had this to say about MiX:
Maybe I'm just finally getting back to my usual "I always find MiX scummy", or maybe I'm onto something.  At this point in my re-reads, I'd say it's MiX or Jimmmmm, but almost guaranteed not both.  If MiX is town, he's misreading Jimmmmm.  If MiX is scum, he went too far in his confidence that Jimmmmm is town.
So it seems like he got his reads mixed up here (no pun intended).

Vote: faust
When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

unvote
Now this was a weird interaction at the time, and in the light of iguana's efforts at pushing math during D1 it seems like a further distancing move.

If someone wants to save me a little time and summarize iguana's posts through D1 and D2, that might save me a bit of time.  But I will go through them for sure, as I feel he's one person I've basically ignored this game so far - probably the most active person I've ignored (I also have almost no thoughts on e or gk, since almost nothing they have said has stood out to me, other than their basically naked votes of me D1).
This seems quite blatantly untrue, iguana was one of the people math interacted the most with during D1, how could he say he "ignored" iguana?

math then goes on to vote for iguana. Not going to quote that post because it's super long.

For now, I'm leaving my vote on iguana, but I'll gladly switch to gkrieg today too.
Signaling support for a gkrieg exile.

I like your wall post and I think it deserves consideration, but I wish it weren't a case on the towniest person in the game.

I disagree that he's the towniest.  But like I said near the end of it... I went into it with a big gut scumread on iguana, then as I was getting through the posts, they weren't seeming near as scummy as I remembered.  But I'm leaving my vote there now until he responds.  I assume it will either assure me that he is scum, or it will give me a reason to move my vote.
And mathdude seems about ready to jump ship on iguana. It's also of note that mathdude ignores joth's vote for Swowl shortly before this.

Then mathdude spend a bunch of time collecting vote patterns that he never seems to do anything with.

Forget waiting.

Vote: gkrieg

He hasn't posted in nearly 48 hours. But his profile says last active on forum at 12:34pm today. He's watching, and just hoping the wagon sways away from him. He's afraid if he says something, it will further incriminate him.

I believe that's X-1.
I guess this vote is unsurprising.

gkrieg hasn't said anything to convince me he's town. But he does raise some valid points on faust. I don't know if both could be scum (I guess maybe... if he's godfather, and he figures it's better to bus a goon?) But likely at least 1 of them are.
mathdude is setting up a faust push for the next Day.

And that's prety much it. mathdude posts a couple of time in the EoD2, but nothing earth-shattering.

I can definitely see a narrative starting to emerge here.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:55:02 am »
I'll get started on a math reread now. Trying to put quotes I find interesting here for easy access.

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?
First iguana interaction.

This is sort of my take on the whole faust opinion of providing naked votes.
This starts a series of posts talking about meta stuff rather than the game itself.

-snip-
Long post about me
...

Even after all this, I still can't figure out if you find me scummy or not. I think you went back and forth 3 or 4 times, got stuck on last game a bit too long, and then couldn't decide. But after reading your posts on other people too, you seem to be in the same boat with your reads on a lot of people. Seems hedgy overall to me.

PPE Swowl's post
Some more math/iguana interaction.

Blah, I missed swowl.

I think WCD was right about swowl. Swowl's our best shot in the dark exile, and would serve him right for not showing up when he said he would. But also it's a jerk move to exile someone just for being busy IRL when he's repeatedly like "Hey, I'll get to this later."

So maybe WCD is the jerk, not me.

Up to this point, your read on almost everyone seemed to hone on how they looked at me. You are really tunneling down on me, aren't you? Are you scum trying to buddy (or I guess anti-buddy) me, in case you get caught so it looks like I'm a partner? Or are you just a mistaken townie gone down too far? Open up and start looking at people outside of their read on me. Because if you are town, this is how you drag us down to a quick loss. Scum don't even need to do anything.

It's like the faust/Jimmmmm thing... if both town, scum would have happily let us all camp there the full D1.
Okay now, this one seems quite telling!

I think I'm leaning town-ish for faust for now.
This worries me. Town!math seems to always scumread me.

Iguana is the only vote I respect. He's looked at others, and decided to stick with me. It's wrong, but I respect it. And until his post just before this, it was like a tunnel, joth-like, not planning to go anywhere else (though I can no longer say that, since he's now said he's willing to move to get an exile).
This sort of stuff seems designed to highlight how iguana busses math.

That is D1 for you. I think I'll split these by Day, in order to not get too wallpost-y and allow me to split up my work on this.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 17, 2021, 03:07:35 pm »
Faust, Joth… you’re my towncore.  Mix and I both thought we’d win if we flipped Jimmm and math.

Where are y’all at? Do you suspect one another at all?
I would not consider joth today but if we don't find the right exile I'd probably get paranoid the next day and would try to investigate him more closely.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 16, 2021, 12:12:38 pm »
It feels like the most important thing to figure out is what went down on D1. We've had wagons on all of {Jimmmmm, joth, math}. These are a very good starting point.

Jimmmmm (4): jotheonah, faust, mathdude, EFHW
MiX had been there early on, helping to get the wagon started, but didn't stay long.
Unfortunately this isn't super insightful. It is notable that no confirmed scum is on the wagon, but if Jimmmm is town then the third scum is there. So it's either an all-town wagon on scum or a 4-people wagon on town with one scum.

mathdude (5): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, EFHW
iguana had been pushing for this pretty hard. This is my main issue with the mathdude case. If mathdude is scum then his partner was content to sacrifice him D1. iguana had a perfect opportunity to switch to joth "to get an exile" but didn't.

jotheonah (4): faust, MiX, WestCoastDidds, Swowl,
And there's the other conf!scum on here. Swowl hopped on just over half an hour before the deadline, pretty late but not so late that he could count on the exile not going through. so if joth was scum then that's a problematic alternate wagon to push.

With this, you end up at scum likelihoods of
Jimmmmm > mathdude > joth

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 16, 2021, 11:42:23 am »
If your name isn't WestCoastDidds, you just have to figure out one other person you can trust and if you're right, we win.
Well, that is not entirely true. You also have to convince the room that it's not you.

That other Town and Didds will suffice.
That's why I'm feeling good about my chances.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 16, 2021, 05:11:19 am »
and they sure say "I'm protecting my partner" first for iguana, then "bus for the win" for Swowl.
They don't though, do they? I pivoted from e to iguana in the middle of the Day, and proceeded to push both scum from then on out.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 16, 2021, 02:37:55 am »
If your name isn't WestCoastDidds, you just have to figure out one other person you can trust and if you're right, we win.
Well, that is not entirely true. You also have to convince the room that it's not you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 16, 2021, 02:36:09 am »
Well. here we are.

What I think I have figured out is that it's not joth. So it should be one of Jimmmmm/math, and I currently think Jimmmmm is more likely.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 06:16:19 am »
What are you after help with?
Nothing in particular.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 06:11:49 am »
Well that's crazy.
Helpful as always.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 06:01:36 am »
I don't see a benefit in discussing possible partners for Swowl before the flip.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 05:47:06 am »
So who's bussing?
Swowl's partner.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 05:16:07 am »
Noone is actually opposed to the Swowl wagon, noone has proposed a serious alternative wagon

Does that concern you at all?
Not particularly, no.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 04:21:31 am »
Can we please please please just end this? Noone is actually opposed to the Swowl wagon, noone has proposed a serious alternative wagon, what are we waiting for? This is extremely tedious.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 04:19:16 am »
I’m still leaning Swowl, although his contributions today have been quality.
Is this the quality contribution?

So EOD1 makes me feel like Jimm is a either a white knight situation or a partner, math is either a hard bus or a push, and Joth is somewhere in the middle.

"My conclusion is that all of these people are either town or scum"

What a revelation.

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General Discussion / Re: Brag Board
« on: October 13, 2021, 03:56:11 am »
I've taken the gender contiuum test. After the test itself, there was a part where you were given 18 traits and had to predict which 9 of them scored higher for women than men across their dataset.

I got 100% of them correct :-)
Me too  :D

The test also couldn't guess my gender, which I've now decided is brag-worthy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 02:55:44 am »
Well yeah that's a point. He did explain his change of reads.
With no reason that would justify such a strong turnaround. And why he would reread EFHW at Night anyways. Personally I think that should always be scrutinized; town doesn't usually bother to reread at Night because that effort is wasted if you're killed.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 13, 2021, 02:22:03 am »
I think it's pretty likely that Swowl didn't intend them as breadcrumbs.
I mean, he couldn't even answer your question:
Swowl, why didn't you give reasons for your changed EFHW read when asked?

He can't provide a town narrative for his actions, you can't provide a town narrative for his actions, I fail to see how there is any reason to not exile him.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 13, 2021, 12:27:44 am »
We have 4 days until deadline, I ask for half that time (2 days) to deep dive and get thoughts out based on this.
This time has passed now, can we finally do the exile please?

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