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... and you're saying that there's this railway station that is somehow determining all of that...

You have to appreciate the irony of Awaclus successfully derailing his own threat by posting about a railway station.

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Every once in a while I still get annoyed that Dominion got a worse online client than before for double the prize. But what can you do.

Whether you like this client more or less then the MF implementation is up to you.
While I am probably biased, I can tell you I enjoy playing on it a lot more.

But your prize comparison really doesn't make sense. It's a bit too complicated to linearly compare the two, but if you really want to the best approximation is that this implementation costs about half of what they charged, not double.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: eight Coppers?
« on: June 10, 2018, 04:02:13 pm »
Thanks for reporting this one, sure is a weird one.
Your client instructed the server to trash the same copper twice. Two things:
1) This shouldn't be possible assuming you use our client.
2) The server should not consider this a valid response.


re 2: is actually a serious issue. The server should check that all the answers from the client are different but apparently it doesn't on list-questions.
It should reject this answer like it rejects any other invalid answer from the client. Bonfire has the optional trash anyway, but this probably means you could currently cheat by writing your own client and trashing only 1 card to Trading Post.

re 1: I assume you didn't hack the client, and it's actually our client that generated this answer. It shouldn't, but there wouldn't be a real issue if the server would just reject it.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Blacklisting Due To Undo
« on: March 23, 2018, 05:11:32 am »
Being blacklisted a lot isn't a reason to get banned, it's a reason to get investigated.
So please continue & feel free to blacklist people for whatever reason you don't want to play against them.

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You are free to have your own view on things. I can understand they feel that way to you.

From my point of view, you had a deal with another company and that deal ended.
(even though they promised you it would not)
That's the reason you don't have expansions on dominion online right now.
You had them in 2017 because I was nice.

kind regards,
Stef

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Sunday (tomorrow) 20:00

markusin - Stef

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Edit: Sorry we changed plans. Now playing Saturday 10 feb 20:00 UTC

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Hello, Saturday 3rd at 1300 UTC :

Group D
Netherlands jan - bouchon France

Right after that match (14:30 utc?) Marin and I will play ours.

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When I wrote "better card animations" most readers interpreted it as "more animations" or even "more MF-like animations".
And then they said please no.

All these people not wanting better animations are going to be the death of this game.

Players who aren't experts should be able to see what's happening without referencing the log constantly. Right now that's not the case.

While I agree with most of your ideas here, I don't quite understand the pessimism.
"The lack of good animations has been a serious hurdle for inexperienced players" - yes.
"The game could have grown significantly more if we had great animations" - again yes.
"The game will die without them" - no.

I agree wholeheartedly with both of you. Are the animations too fast? Yes! Are the animations too slow? Yes! How can both be true at the same time? I'm collecting my thoughts to make a detailed case on how they would best work, but as a preview the current 1 by 1 movement of every single card seems ineffective and inefficient.

I think these two things are important to get better animations:

1. Animate cardmoves in batches, which means a bunch of cards can move from zone A to zone B simultaneously.
   - add the next card to animate to the current batch if
      a) it wasn't moved already in this batch.
      b) the target zone isn't used as a source zone in this batch.
      c) the source zone isn't used as a target zone in this batch.
   - otherwise, start a new batch

2. Animate batches of cardmoves that alter the ownership of a card in some special way.

If I would compare it to the current situation, in general it would slow down. Lots of movements currently aren't animated at all.
Some things would go faster (like fortune teller flipping your entire deck)

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Nocturne has been released, go buy it!
« on: December 28, 2017, 10:57:04 am »
Maybe to thwart someone who's about to Possess you?
I thought Possession is banned online now?

No possession isn't banned online, but it is banned on tables created by the automatcher.

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Introductions / Re: Hello Forum
« on: December 27, 2017, 02:33:04 pm »
Adriaan was one of the three people in my first two Dominion games.

At some time after that a store in the North of our country sold Dominion: Intrigue and I bought it.
The question we both had was: what would it be, a Dominion expansion?
It turned out those had more cards. It was great.

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double signup: Philip & Stef
(Netherlands)

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: site down?
« on: December 20, 2017, 03:18:41 am »
And down again? I'm getting infinite 'Reconnecting'...

No it isn't / wasn't down.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Undo Trolling
« on: December 08, 2017, 12:07:12 pm »
A few days ago someone asked me for an undo after playing Stables. I granted it before I started thinking because that's usually what I do with an undo request.
Then my opponent played Throne Room - Stables; he didn't draw an action the first time.

Was I sad? yes.
Do I want the software to solve this problem? no, not really.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Nocturne has been released, go buy it!
« on: December 02, 2017, 09:38:28 am »
...fixed this year.

it's fixed on dev now so it will be in the next release (late next week?)

At the end of the game you get a "question" a la an undo request that says "The game has ended".
Your only option is to click "ok" (or scroll the log, chat). Then you move on to the next screen.

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Rules Questions / Re: Trashing several cards with Monestary
« on: December 01, 2017, 07:38:47 am »
These are definitely edge cases, but it is possible:

You have two Catacombs in hand, no other cards in hand, and no cards in your deck and discard pile.
Blessed Village is in the Supply, and the top boon is The Wind's Gift.
If you trash the Catacombs one at a time, and gain a Blessed Village off the first, then The Wind's Gift will make you discard the second Catacombs, so you can't trash it.
If you trash both Catacombs at once, however, you can trash both at once.

Another way to get the same issue:
Cursed Village is in the Supply with your -2 Cost token on it. You have 4 Provinces in hand in addition to the two Catacombs, and Fear is the top Hex. (Or Haunting with 3 Provinces in hand - if you've trashed both Catacombs you don't have to topdeck a card, if you've only trashed one then you do).

These also work with Inherited Blessed/Cursed Villages and trashing Hunting Grounds.

yes you're right catacombs is a problem card.

So I should just trash them one at the time, and can still let you select them all?
The strange thing would be that the interface would look identical for chapel & monastery, while one trashes all at once and the other does not.

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Rules Questions / Re: Trashing several cards with Monestary
« on: December 01, 2017, 05:21:48 am »
That actually sounds like a pain from an user interface standpoint. You either confirm each trash individually, or, if you have the option set to not ask for confirmation on single trash/discards, you can't undo a step without requesting an undo.
Stef's tentative plan (I told him about the bug when Jeebus originally asked the question) is to let you trash up to N cards, and if you trash fewer than N and something triggered, you get to go again (for up to the remaining number obv.).

It's still my tentative plan, but it also has me a little worried.

The reason to do it would be a much nicer interface - obviously it's nicer if you want to trash 5 coppers that you can trash them all at once.
(especially if you have the "confirm single trashes" on)

The reason not to do it could be that it breaks the rules of the game. It allows you to trash multiple cards at once where in the actual game you can not (with this card).

As far as I know, there isn't any card that makes this difference relevant. A hypothetical effect that would make it matter is something like
"When you trash this, discard your hand". Suppose you'd have two of those in hand - the actual game wouldn't allow you to trash both but if I implement this trick online you can.

Am I missing something? Is there an actual card that makes this not work?

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Nocturne has been released, go buy it!
« on: November 30, 2017, 01:26:34 pm »
Yes, there's an "issue" with your ability to see it, in that you can't see it. Obviously I didn't mean that the last part of the game is not occurring. It's missing from your experience as a player. Yes, that's "cosmetic", just like it would be "cosmetic" if the entire screen were black but the game was still going on underneath.

In my opinion, all the bugs and interface problems that exist in the implementation (and there are a lot considering that it's been live for almost a year) are less serious than this. If Smithy drew 2 instead of 3 cards, it would be more serious. But all cards work correctly in most circumstances. They fail with certain interactions. I don't really know how often these bugs break a game; it's certainly serious when they do. But not getting to experience the last part of the game is a potential problem in every game. Even if the result of the game is correct, the effect is that you were not allowed to be present during the whole game.

I agree with you that this is very important. But you somehow make it sound like the end of the world. I don't think that's very true either.
When I play myself I get annoyed by it in ~10% of my games. The majority of games just end on buying that last province / card of the 3-pile, and no tricks after that.

But I will promise to get it fixed this year.

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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Empty the Changeling pile with one Action
« on: November 25, 2017, 08:31:07 am »
Hmmm I was thinking about something very complex, but then I stumbled upon something simple that just works with the current rules?

You play Necromancer into Treasure Hunter and gain 2000 silvers.

why 2000, you ask?
Only actions from Nocturne allowed.

Also you can't play Necromancer into anything because that's two cards.

Hmm, ok. It's one card but it is two plays yes.
So here is without breaking that rule:

[hand: 3x cultist, catacombs, copper]

play fool
  discard copper
  gain cemetery(1)

trash 3x cultist, catacombs
  draw 7x cultist, 2x catacombs
  gain cemetery(2)

[hand: 7x cultist, 2x catacombs]

trash 3x cultist, catacombs
  draw 7x catacombs, 2x feodum
  gain cemetery(3)

[hand: 4x cultist, 8x catacombs, 2x feodum]

trash 3x cultist, catacombs
  draw 6x feodum, 3x squire
  gain cemetery(4)

[hand: 1x cultist, 7x catacombs, 8x feodum, 3x squire]

trash 1x cultist, 3x catacombs
  draw hunting grounds, watchtower, trader
  gain 3x cemetery(5, 6, 7)

[hand: 4x catacombs, 8x feodum, 1x squire, Trader]

12 trashes + 3 (trash catacombs -> cemetery(8 )) = 15 trashes

trash 3 catacombs (death cart, 3 each), 8 feodum (3 each) and 3 squires (skulk, 2 each)

this is 32.

Now we get to trash the hunting grounds and with the fore mentioned inheritance-ferry trick we can gain 2 more for every estate.

I think we're at 48 now?

oh and you can exchange the cemeteries for free so 56.
And then we still get to resolve the other two boons from the fool. Probably can get a few more there.

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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Empty the Changeling pile with one Action
« on: November 24, 2017, 07:16:19 pm »
Hmmm I was thinking about something very complex, but then I stumbled upon something simple that just works with the current rules?

You play Necromancer into Treasure Hunter and gain 2000 silvers.

why 2000, you ask?

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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Empty the Changeling pile with one Action
« on: November 24, 2017, 06:50:23 pm »
this could go a lot higher.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Undo Trolling
« on: November 23, 2017, 12:20:10 pm »
If no-info undos were automatically allowed, wouldn't some people just test-run multiple buy-phases instead of doing the maths in advance? I don't think I've ever denied an undo, but that would annoy me.

I agree that would be awful if it happened, but I'm not convinced there would be more Undoing than there is now.

My gut reaction was the same as yours, but after giving it some thought - this would take less time than waiting for them to think it all out...

I don't intend to make the client automatically accept all no-information undos. I can see a lot of merit in doing this for the last click, and then code some specific situations where you can go back more then 1 click without permission. But if they would all be automatically granted...

I quite often realize I made some mistake a few actions back. I missed some optimization and well I just accept I decreased my own odds. But sometimes in dominion a lot can happen without new any new info. Especially if you're heavily overdrawing your deck, there is just no new info to gain in the entire last part of your turn. It would feel almost like cheating if I use undo to go back & forth through that, and I would be seriously annoyed if my opponent did that. But if the game auto-grants the undo's, it's also strange to accept playing sub-optimally in a competitive game and just go on. I don't want to put people in that dilemma.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Nocturne has been released, go buy it!
« on: November 17, 2017, 07:22:22 am »
Thanks to majiponi, assemble me & lalight for making the translations

You are welcome!

Sorry I forgot to mention you. I know you helped a lot with Russian and many of the playtesters helped with the German translations too.

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Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Nocturne has been released, go buy it!
« on: November 16, 2017, 12:11:38 pm »
thanks for posting here Dan and sorry I forgot about it myself.

Nocturne is out! I'm really happy we made it on the actual release day.
 Thanks to majiponi, assemble me & lalight for making the translations and keeping up with all the late changes so we can go live in all 4 languages.
 Thanks to all the playtesters for finding so many bugs and verifying all the fixes.
 And thanks for all the suggestions on the implementation to both.

Finally autoplays are here, which I've already grown attached to myself in the last week of playtesting with them.

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