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I think I understand everything mentioned in this.
http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Duration
"When you use a Throne Room variant on a Duration, that Throne Room stays in play for as long as the Duration does."

But what I have yet to read anywhere (but easily could have missed) is this scenario: when that TR variant itself is removed from play for some reason. I assume in this case you just have to remember at start of next turn that the Duration may have multiple effects to resolve similar to when the Duration is removed from play before cleanup of the turn it was played.

Specific scenario: With Way of the Turtle in the game (or an of the ways that removes a card from play), play Throne Room which plays King's Court which on its first of two plays, plays a simple Duration (like Caravan) 3 times. Nothing unusual yet: King's Court will stay in play along with the Caravan until cleanup of the next turn and three Caravan effects will resolve at start of next turn.

But the second King's Court's play is Turtle'd which normally removes it from play. I assume that still happens here and the Caravan stays in play (along with all three of its effects) but is just sort of orphaned?

I would not miss these Duration/TR variant rules should they ever get removed!

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Rules Questions / Gatekeeper exiled Experiment
« on: January 26, 2022, 07:04:49 pm »
Sorry folks got another one:

The Short:
Can the exile mat effect trigger more than once per gain?

The Long:
- an Experiment is already exiled
- opponent Gatekeeper in play
- gain Experiment, E1, which leads to gain of second Experiment, E2

Gain effects from the Exile Mat and E1 trigger. Gatekeeper does not trigger on E1 gain since an Experiment is exiled and is resolved for THIS gain. Choose Exile Mat effect first, and clear exile mat. Then E1 effect leads to E2 gain. Gatekeeper does trigger on E2 gain (since no Experiment is currently exiled). Gatekeeper exiles E2. Gain effects on E2 gain are done, so back to gain effects on E1. Can you now discard E2 since E2 is an "other copy" of E1? I think not but not sure why. Is it because the effect is on the mat (not the exiled cards) and that effect is already resolved? Is it a general rule that an effect from some effect producing thing can never execute more than once per event?

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Rules Questions / Way of the Turtle FAQ statement
« on: January 19, 2022, 11:40:39 pm »
The FAQ for Way of the Turtle:

"If you use Throne Room on a Duration card, play it once normally and then play it using Way of the Turtle, the Throne Room will leave play, and you will have to remember the Duration card's effects next turn."

That makes sense but also suggests to me that the order of the of the normal play and the Way play matters.  But isn't the result the same regardless of order?: Duration card is set aside to be played next turn, the effect for the Duration's normal start-of-next-turn effect must be remembered and the Throne Room variant just cleans up in the current turn.

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Rules Questions / Playing Way of The Seal out of turn
« on: December 26, 2021, 07:45:29 pm »
If you gained a card on someone else's turn that triggers your Sheepdog (or Falconer) and you play Sheepdog with Way of the Seal, can you then use WotSeal's top deck ability on any future cards you gain during that same player's turn?  How about top decking the gained card that allowed you to play the Way of the Seal?

Scenario:
P1's turn:
...
P1 plays Witch
   P2 gains Curse, plays Sheepdog as Way of the Seal (+$1 is useless)
   Can P2 top deck the Curse here since he/she has added a gain effect WHILE resolving his/her gain effects?
P1 plays Swindler
   P2 trashes Gold and gains Gold.
   P2 puts that Gold on deck via WotSeal gain effect
...
P1's turn ends
P2's WotSeal gain effect (from the Sheepdog play) is no longer triggerable

P2's turn: (starts with zero Treasure as always.)

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Dominion General Discussion / Why is Way of the Butterfly optional?
« on: November 27, 2021, 06:06:25 pm »
http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Way_of_the_Butterfly

Instructions say: "You may return this to its pile to gain a card costing exactly $1 more than it."

So it's already optional to use the Way. Seems odd to me so I suspect I am missing something.

Other than allowing you to get another card in play that you wouldn't want to play normally (for example for Conspirator), why would you ever opt into Way of the Butterfly and then not have it doing anything?

The effects of the action card still apply so are there cards where its effect is good but not its play steps?

Way of the Rat is also optional.

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Dominion FAQ / Pearl Diver played with 2 deck cards?
« on: March 11, 2021, 01:43:04 am »
Hi all,
Pearl Diver text: "Look at the bottom card of your deck. You may put it on top."
Pearl Diver FAQ rule: "First draw a card and get +1 Action; then look at the bottom card of your deck, shuffling first if needed."

Nit picky question: If there are 2 cards on your deck, playing PD draws one to hand leaving one card in the your deck and no choice to make... unless you were to shuffle the discards while looking at the single card.

I'm guessing technically you would not shuffle but I'm thinking reasonable people could disagree. What say you?

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Rules Questions / Villa's gain effect.
« on: November 05, 2020, 10:39:12 am »
I don't find this Villa rule all that clear:"Villa visits the discard pile before being put in your hand. This means that when you gain it with a card like Artificer (which changes gain location), Villa will visit the top of your deck before going into your hand. If you react Villa by a card like Watchtower (which moves cards after gaining them), you will have a choice between the multiple destinations. Replace or Summon try to move but lose track of Villa after it goes into your hand, so you can’t topdeck it or set it aside."

Suppose you have Watchtower and Sheepdog in hand and gain a Villa. All 3 effects trigger at the same time and player gets to choose which to apply first, yes?

Does Villa lose track of itself if Watchtower trashes or topdecks the Villa. Or if Sheepdog causes a shuffle?

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Example: While in Buy phase, react with Watchtower to trash a gained card. Does the Priest treasure increase apply to the current spendable treasure count?

I see nothing in the rules that would prevent this.

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http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Triggered_effects#When_you_would_gain

Trader's effect happens at "would gain" time, not "when you gain" time.

I suppose in most cases Trader can be included with other "when you gain" cards like Watchtower. If playing online, it would be a bit more efficient to allow the player to choose between his Trader and Watchtower.

I'm not familiar with all cards out there, but the new cards Black Cat and Falconer really can force a Trader effect to resolve BEFORE the Watchtower effect.  When the gained card triggers another player's Black Cat or Falconer, it could be wrong to offer the gaining player both Trader and Watchtower together. (Wrong when the Black cat/Falconer player is closer to the current player than the gaining player)

Is my thinking correct?

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