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Variants and Fan Cards / Dominion: Jackpot
« on: October 29, 2018, 08:03:04 pm »
This is an idea for a fan expansion I've been thinking about for a while. The basic themes are "a sudden, big effect" and things that happen when you shuffle. Some of the cards also have a Wild West theme.

It has some new mechanics.

First, it has the Luck Tokens I invented for the weekly card contest. I had actually come up with these tokens when I was thinking more about this set than the contest, and they serendipitously worked as an entry. For those who didn't read the thread, "+X Luck" means you gain X Luck tokens, and you spend Luck tokens when you shuffle. For each Luck token spent, set aside a card and then put it on the bottom of the deck after shuffling (in any order if you set aside more than one).

There are some cards with overpay as well.

The most important, though, is the new Jackpot card type, indicated with a bright green color. If a card has the Jackpot type, that means it has a special ability, indicated with the text "Jackpot: ".  When you play a card as a Jackpot, you do not get the card's normal effect, and get the Jackpot effect instead. There is basically one important restriction with Jackpots: You can only play one per turn. Once you play a card as a Jackpot, you can play other Jackpot cards, but you can only use their regular abilities. When can you use a Jackpot? Anytime on your turn except during cleanup. You can use it at the very beginning of your turn, before you resolve any lingering durations, or you can use it at the very end of your Night phase, or anytime in between. It does not use up any actions, the only restriction is once per turn. Also, these rules only apply if you're playing a Jackpot card as a Jackpot. If the card's other type is Action and you play it as an Action instead, the normal Action card rules apply instead.

So here are the cards (more coming.) I'm pretty clueless as to whether or not these are balanced, so any feedback is greatly appreciated!


A great example for how you can use (or abuse) the Jackpot mechanic. Play a Cultist and immediately trash it for +3 cards, or get a Monastery effect by playing it after your Coppers. Use the top decking to replay the same card, or set up your next turn. Lots of possibilities. By the way, I came up with the top decking thing before Eagles posted about his similar Heir card. This has the same tracking problems, but I might find some way around that.

Note that the Jackpot says "card", not "Action card". Since you can play Jackpots at any time, there's no need to limit the King's Court effect to Action cards; you can use it on Treasures or even Night cards!

A cute idea I came up with. It's like Council Room or Governor, but then you can force them back down to 3 cards. The attack is also the Jackpot, so you can use it after playing another with the Action effect even if there's no +Actions on the board. The net result is only +2 cards, of course, but hey, you also got +Buy and attacked everyone else.

It's an attack village! You can potentially force them to discard anything thanks to the play-anytime Jackpot rule, but the village effect itself is pretty crummy, so you decide if it's worth it.

Card from the contest, with a minor change. Similar to Ducat, but I like the idea of a slightly-better card you can replace your Coppers with, to maybe make Remodeling easier.

Another contest card. Curses everyone, but at least they can make the Curse miss a shuffle. Originally it was going to be "+$2, +1 Buy" with the name being a nod to Woodcutter, but I felt, hey, if this is a witch that hands out Luck for some reason, why isn't she giving you any of it?

The last contest card, again with a minor change. You can use the Luck to make this dead card miss some shuffles, or just trash it and use the Luck to bottom-deck the Gold.

A card from another contest. This was an idea I came up with a long time ago, but it has overpay so it fits here just fine.

Yup, it's a $2 attack! It's also something that cares about shuffling. Instead of giving you Luck tokens, though, it gives everyone else bad luck. It has to be weak given the price, but is it too weak to ever buy? Dunno.


And here's the Treasure-Jackpot I promised. Directly inspired by Leprechaun, one of my favorite cards, but Treasures and Nights will also count toward the 7 here.

More crazy colors! The Jackpot is a bit convoluted, but I wanted something that you wouldn't obviously want to do at the beginning or end of your turn, so it has the Lab-Discard-Wharf thing.

A lab variant with a nod to Secret Chamber. It's not a Reaction but it could be a reasonable defense to discard and junking attacks.

Another wacky effect. Empty your hand of all Treasures and Nights, then return to your Action phase and draw back up to 5.

It's the infamous Road! But you can't play it infinite times, at least. Note that while it can use your turn's Jackpot, the card itself does not have the Jackpot type, so you can only play it during your Action or Buy phases. If it's not clear, you get the $2 and nothing else if you play it during your Buy phase, and you get everything under the $2 but not the $2 itself otherwise. And you can't use any Jackpots if you do the return-to-hand thing. I made it an Action-Treasure so that the return-to-hand is still useful even if there's no villages.

Same principle as the last one.

More boring than the others? Eh, it's a village and it helps your engine consistency; it works.

Another old idea. Sift, or "reverse-sift" before trashing your hand.


Edict mechanic from Asper. I wasn't planning on having any landscape cards originally, but then this silly idea came up, and I think having some when-you-shuffle Edicts could be cool. This was originally going in RBCI, but the more I thought about it, it might actually be fun to have a deck where your Treasure is constantly multiplying. Might lead to some nice TfB tricks, or a combo with a good Kingdom Treasure. What do you think?

Another overpay card. The on-play is weak, but getting rid of some of those $0 cards can get easier if you use the overpay to replace them with 2s. And of course, you can also use the overpay to get some extra points or empty a pile at the end. It's like VP for overpay but not broken.


New card, with a new color combination!

The basic ability is pretty bad: Copper as an Action. The Jackpot ability gets a bit more exciting: you can get a Village effect, or a Copper that retains its ability to not be drawn dead. And then there's the Reaction part, of course: Stop a single Attack cold, at the cost of next turn's Jackpot. Which will you choose?

Rules Questions / Should Prince be a Duration?
« on: October 06, 2018, 10:40:36 am »
I understand that Prince came out a bit before Adventures, but Hireling sets the precedent that Durations can stay out forever.

I think there's few things that are as good at making a game thoroughly boring as not having any +Buy (Or any other ways to gain multiple cards per turn.) No Villages usually makes a game less interesting, but there can still be some interesting strategy in how to navigate around the tight terminal space. The particular problem with no +Buy is that you're immediately at a hard cap of one Province a turn. Building a complicated deck becomes pointless, and if a really cool engine were otherwise possible it just feels sad. And then often it's already gg if you're 2 Provinces behind because it's mathematically impossible to catch up.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Watchtower and Guardian
« on: September 03, 2018, 08:23:38 pm »
This happened twice: I bought a Guardian with Watchtower in hand. I clicked "done reacting" so that it would go into my hand... but it went on top of my deck instead.

Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / "rat catcher"
« on: August 21, 2018, 09:09:44 pm »
This is a pretty minor thing, but...

The chat corrects Ratcatcher to "rat catcher". I'm pretty sure the single word is the correct form.

I noticed this because of something else that's not really a bug but still annoying: If you have only treasures in your hand, you can still accidentally play Crown in your action phase... because you have a Reserve card on your mat.


player 1's deck could be used for memory; Silvers for on bits and Coppers for off bits, since those are the biggest piles in the game.

Player 2's deck would store the instructions. Masquerade can be used to flip bits by switching out Silvers and Coppers from Player 1's hand.

Something like Shanty Town would be used for decision making; I'm not sure how exactly that could work. There also has to be a way to jump to any part of Player 2's deck so that instructions can be executed; I'm also not sure about that.

Player 2 would have to manipulate Player 1's hand so that memory can be read. Hands in Dominion are unordered, but this can be fudged a bit by saying the bit read/written is the last card drawn. Governor can draw Player 1's cards. The Fear Hex can force them to top deck (We'll say they have to top deck in reverse order they drew, to keep things in order) but the randomness factor of the Hexes would also have to be fudged somehow.

Dominion General Discussion / Is Guardian useless without attacks?
« on: June 26, 2018, 03:14:26 pm »
Seriously, is there any reason to buy it if there are no Attacks on the board? Besides, of course, diversity/Gardens stuff, where it's no better than literally any other card besides Curse.

It's occurred to me that this card seems to break with the general design principle that defense cards should provide some sort of benefit even if there are no Attacks. Moat and Lighthouse aren't great if there are no Attacks, but Moat can very occasionally be used for draw and Lighthouse can be useful with draw-to-X. A delayed Copper, though, is Ruins-level bad. If you're really desperate for an extra +1$ you can just get a regular Copper.

Dominion General Discussion / Mountain Pass
« on: June 14, 2018, 09:32:06 pm »
This is the one thing in the game that I literally have no idea what to do with. How much is 8 non-dead VP usually worth? Does it make a difference whether you're ahead or behind? What other sorts of conditions change your bid?

Dominion General Discussion / Labs
« on: March 11, 2018, 03:01:32 pm »
Non-terminal draw is a relatively simple concept: Handsize-increasers you can easily spam without needing villages. Based on their positions on the Qvist rankings, though, they actually seem to be some of the cards I least understand. Things that confuse me:

Laboratory - Lab gets trashed a lot. The main reason given is that "the draw is weak." Well, yes, it only increases your handsize by 1, but the fact that it combines drawing and non-terminality into a single card is huge. It seems to me that people are underestimating the number of Lab boards where there's either no villages or no terminal draw. In either of those cases Lab is a crucial card.

Even if there are both villages and draws, Lab is still likely to be really good. If the available villages or draws are weak, then Lab will remain the best option because of its consistency. If the villages or draws are good but expensive, then Lab might be the more economical option. In any case, Lab is still a valuable engine piece because of the consistency it provides. And yes, I know that Hunting Party is almost always better, but the chances of both cards appearing on the same board is miniscule.

Alchemist - This one possibly gets trashed even more than Lab. Yeah, it's expensive, but the Potion remains useful. The same arguments for Lab apply here: There might not be villages or terminal draws, or they might be weak. Whenever I don't go for this and my opponent does, I nearly always lose. The power and consistency of a top-decking Lab is very hard to beat. Maybe I just suck at building engines...

Den of Sin - I simply cannot understand why this is considered better than Lab. Yes, I'm aware of the amazing benefits: Gain to hand, can't be drawn dead, bigger hand at the very beginning. The fact remains, though, that if you're drawing your whole deck, which is something you should always try to do, you need two of these to do the same thing a single Lab does. In my experience playing with it, it's clearly inferior.

Caravan - I find it... a bit odd, or at least interesting, how similar this card is to Den of Sin but how it's nonetheless cheaper... and yet still considered overall worse. It's basically Den of Sin but one of the +1 cards gets moved to this turn instead of the next, and yeah, all those other aforementioned side benefits are removed as well. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think Caravan is super strong, and it's clearly worse than Den of Sin disregarding price. I guess I find it interesting that +2 cards this turn and +2 cards next turn are BOTH considered better than +1 card this turn and next turn. I guess draw is something you don't want to spread out?

Stables - I was definitely confused to see this higher than Lab in the new list. It's better than Lab if you can't trash your Coppers, but most of the time you can and should. The fact that this relies on treasures gives two ways it can dud: You can either draw a hand with all treasures or draw Stables with no treasures. Lab's consistency will beat it most of the time, I think.

Lost City - Lost City is great... but is it that much better than Vanillab? +2 actions is always good, but it's often going to matter less if you're already drawing a good chunk of your deck without terminal draw... which is what Lost City does. So is the village effect overall worth the on-gain penalty? I think it usually is, but I'm puzzled as to why this is so MUCH more highly regarded than Lab.

Dominion General Discussion / Best/Craziest Openings
« on: March 10, 2018, 03:16:13 pm »
Dominion has come a long way since the Mountebank/Chapel days, what with Events, Shelters, Heirlooms, Baker etc. Here's some of the things you can do now:

-Open Platinum, with 4 Coppers and a Cursed Gold and Baker and Borrow.

-Activate Magic Lamp on turn 1, with 4 Heirlooms and a Copper and Villa.

-Gain a Mercenary before your first shuffle, by paying $8 (using any subset of the things from the Platinum opening) for a Traveling Fair and 2 topdecked Urchins.

-A bit more mundane than the others, but still really good: Summon Ambassador on turn 1, removing 2 dead cards and giving your opponent one before the first shuffle.

I doubt we'll reach agreement on what the very best opening of all is, but what are some of the craziest openings you can think of?

Variants and Fan Cards / New Mechanic: Use Tokens
« on: February 04, 2018, 07:53:14 pm »
So my Dominion: Decadence expansion was a flop, mostly because the idea of a +3 Cards, +1 Action Spoils had already been done, and my idea of adding them to your deck whenever you want and then trashing them after play wasn't enough to make it interesting.

So, I've come up with an idea that I think is more original: Use Tokens. The basic idea is that you get a Use Token when you discard a card from play. This allows the following card concepts:

Action - $4
+2 Cards
You may pay a Use Token to return this to your hand.
When you discard this from play, take a Use Token.

Terminal draw you can play multiple times per turn - if you have the actions for it.

Commercial Hub
Action - $4
+1 Action per Use Token you have.
During cleanup, you may put this on your deck. When you discard this from play, take a Use Token.

If you have a lot of Tokens, you can top deck this and then start your next turn with a whole bunch of actions. However, you DON'T get another Token if you top deck it - but discarding it is a gamble, since no matter how many actions it gives, it won't be useful if it's on the bottom of your deck.

I'll think of some more ideas later. For now, what do you think of this idea and these cards?

Dominion General Discussion / Favorite Expansions in 2018
« on: January 27, 2018, 04:15:26 pm »
So, every year we have a new thread where we rank all the expansions favorite to least-favorite. Here's my list:

1. Empires
Hands-down my favorite. Expands the game strategy in all the right ways. My only real complaint is that I don't like some of the Landmarks, but this would be an awesome set even if it didn't have the Landmarks at all, so that's not really a point against it.

2. Intrigue, 2nd Edition
The new cards are great, and the others are classic cards that continue to be interesting.

3. Adventures
My feelings about the Reserve cards are somewhat mixed. Cards flying in and out of your deck like this feels sort of un-Dominionish. Still, I overall like them, and the set has no duds.

4. Dark Ages
This one has really grown on me. The subtle interactions between the cards are very cool, and the Shelters and Ruins are awesome. The main thing dragging the set down is a few really stupid cards (Rebuild, Urchin, Cultist.)

5. Seaside
This set is very under appreciated, I think. The main complaint seems to be that the set has "power creep" or is "boring." Wharf and Fishing Village are powerful, but their presence still makes the game interesting, as opposed to Rebuild and Urchin, which are overpowered in a way that makes the game less interesting. And Tactician and Native Village remain some of the most interesting cards in the game, in my opinion. Also, for such an early set, this one has surprisingly few duds. The main one that sticks out is Navigator, but I'm starting to have a bit more respect for even that card. And yeah, I guess Pearl Diver is pretty worthless.

6. Prosperity
The Gilded Age set: A lot of cool, powerful cards but also a lot of duds. Ironically considering the set's theme, a lot of the duds are the kingdom treasures.

7. Nocturne
Some mechanics just aren't my cup of tea, I'm afraid. I'm actually starting to like the Hexes a bit more: it's interesting how they can stack, and the mechanic allows interesting attacks that often do nothing (particularly Bad Omens.) I still don't really like the Boons, though, but it might simply be because a lot of the Boon cards are pretty boring. There are also a lot of retreads: Pooka is like Spice Merchant, Secret Cave is very similar to Mill. Still, I'd be lying if I said this set doesn't have some really, really cool cards.

8. Guilds
The Guilded Age Set. The coin tokens and overpay are neat and well-utilized.

9. Hinterlands
This set, not Seaside, is the true "boring" set. The "on-gain" theme is weak (and is a mechanic that appears in plenty of other sets), a lot of the cards are retreads, others are big duds, and some are just not that interesting. I'm glad it exists, but there are so many other, better expansions.

10. Cornucopia
You can count me as one who doesn't share in the Cornucopia hype. I like it, but most of the cards just don't grab me that much.

11. Alchemy
What else is there to say that hasn't been said a million times? I share everybody else's complaints with this set.

12. Base, 2nd Edition
It's great that I won't ever have to see Chancellor's ugly mug again, but this is still the most boring set in the game, which is fine, because it's supposed to be simple. There is one dubious thing about the new cards: did we really need TWO new Peddlers in a set that already had Market?

Variants and Fan Cards / Dominion: Decadence
« on: November 17, 2017, 05:19:52 pm »
Here's my idea for an expansion. The theme is a paradoxical combination of Prosperity and Dark Ages: basically, blowing all your resources at once for massive benefit. It has a lot of cards that trash themselves, and also some overpay mechanics. It also has a new type of card called Luxury. Luxuries are similar to Spoils in that they can only be gained with other cards, but they don't enter your discard immediately. Instead, you can put them in your discard at any time, so you can save them up and then blow them all later on. Also, they trash themselves instead of returning to the pile, motivating you to save them. I may make other Luxuries, but this is main one I have now:

+3 cards
+1 action

Now onto the cards:

Gold Vein
Worth $2
When you play this, gain a Parade.

My idea for a treasure that draws.

+1 card
+1 action
+1 coin
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. For each $1 you overpaid, gain a Souvenir.

Wait until you have a ton of $, then get a bunch of these with the overpay.

+2 cards
+1 action
Discard 2 cards. You may trash this and your hand.
When you buy this, you may overpay for. Gain a card costing exactly $2 more than the amount overpaid.

My idea for a better Bomb. The overpay lets you get a card for $1 less as well as a cheap sifter/trasher that you might or might not want.

Crown Jewels
Worth $1 and 1 VP
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. +1 VP per $1 overpaid.

The more you overpay for it, the more VP tokens you get.

+3 cards
You may discard 3 cards, to gain a Parade.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. For each $1 overpaid, gain a Parade.

If you have some junk after drawing, you can discard it to get a delayed benefit.

I'll post some more later. For now, what do you think of these?

Dominion General Discussion / Masquerade
« on: October 07, 2017, 01:28:13 am »
Masquerade has become one of my most hated cards, and I might ban it if I could. The constant threat of being forced to pass your opponent a good card in exchange for junk just screws over so many other aspects of the game. It feels like Possession in that you have to keep your deck crummy so that your opponent can't take advantage of it. Even though it's one of the oldest cards, it's one of the cards I least understand. So, what I'm wondering:

-Should you not even bother with other trashers when it's on the board, simply because trashing down too fast will just give good cards to your opponent?

-Are there any times it can be ignored? The only situation I can think of is Ambassador, which is a great counter because it's also a card that can thin and junk at the same time. Are there any other situations?

-What about other junking attacks? Should you not bother with them because your opponent can just fling the junk back at you? It seems to me that Mountebank and Cultist are fast enough to bury an opponent who's relying solely on Masquerade, but the other junkers I'm not sure.

-Is buying more than one of them ever a good idea?

-Is passing good cards to your opponent just not that big a deal sometimes? Can you trash all the way down and build an engine so good that it can shrug off all of Masquerade's mischief?

Any help on dealing with this insane card would be much appreciated. Thanks.

We already have Neat and Potentially Useful Card Interactions. This thread is for warnings about interactions that seem good at first but turn out not to be so good.

I'll start with:

Poor House + Coin of the Realm
Coin can be a great way to play multiple Houses in one turn... But it's a treasure :(

Bridge (Troll) + City Quarter
City Quarter can be a great way to play multiple Bridge (Troll)s in one turn... But they don't actually lower its cost. You'll need some other way to get $, or you'll find yourself running out of it fast. Especially a problem with Bridge Troll, since it doesn't provide any $.

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