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General Discussion / My 2020 movies list
« on: December 30, 2020, 10:08:52 pm »
I watched a total of 205 movies in 2020; 148 of them for the first time plus 57 re-watches. (A handful of those were shorts). Of the ones I saw for the first time, I was unable to weed it down to a top 10, so here's a top 15 instead; in the order in which I saw them:

1. Hacksaw Ridge (2016)
2. Creed II (2018)
3. Romeo + Juliet (1996)
4. Straight Outta Compton (2015)
5. Yesterday (2019)
6. Joker (2019)
7. Guns Akimbo (2019)
8. Bad Times at the El Royale (2018)
9. Hamilton (2020)
10. Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
11. Tokyo Godfathers (2003)
12. Everest (2015)
13. The Court Jester (1955)
14. A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood (2019)
15. Richard Jewell (2019)

These are all movies that left a strong positive impression on me; it doesn't automatically mean that they will all be for everyone.


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Other Games / New Paper Mario announced!
« on: May 15, 2020, 08:21:49 pm »
Iím excited. The first 2 Paper Mario games are all-time greats. Third one for Wii is bad, fourth one for Wii U I thought was ok... not as good as the first 2 but not as bad as most people think. Rumor has it that this one will return more to the roots of the first 2.

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Other Games / A Feast for Odin
« on: May 06, 2020, 11:20:29 pm »
This has been around for a few years, but I just learned it in January, it instantly went on my wish list. Finally bought it last week.

I love this game, at least based on my very limited plays (3 total times now; one of them with the solo rules). It's everything great about Caverna/Agricola, but also everything great about Patchwork / Cottage Garden / Indian Summer. It's long and complex, at least at first, but offers so many enjoyable choices and ways to play.

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Rules Questions / Can you exchange a Changeling for a Changeling?
« on: March 27, 2020, 10:39:31 pm »
If you gain a Changeling to your hand via Artisan or Transmogrify, can you choose to exchange it for a Changeling from the supply (which would then go in your discard pile)?

It seems like you can, reading the Exchange rules carefully...

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The card being exchanged is returned to its Supply pile, or non-Supply pile, and the card being exchanged for is taken and put into the player's discard pile. This does not count as gaining a card. The exchange only happens if both cards can be exchanged; if the pile is empty, the cards are not exchanged.

So in order, you put the Changeling you just gained back in its Supply pile, and then you can take a Changeling (which happens to be the same one you just put back).

Very rare that you would want to do this, but you might need that card in your discard pile instead of your hand for something.

Bonus question: if you can do it, can you still do it if you just gained the last Changeling; making the pile empty? Again the pile will become non-empty when you return the card... or does the card have to be there before you begin the exchange?

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Dominion General Discussion / Prizes can be put back now
« on: March 26, 2020, 11:12:26 pm »
Ambassador fails to put things that aren't from the supply back. But Way of the Horse returns any action card to "its pile". So you can now put that Followers back in the Prize pile! Also works on Teacher, etc.

*Edit* I guess Teacher could have already been out back with Changeling. But Prizes cost $0.

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Dominion General Discussion / Fleet vs Seize the Day
« on: March 25, 2020, 12:18:06 pm »
I just noticed that Fleet and Seize the Day are very similar. Why does Fleet cost more? It seems to me that the extra turn you get from Fleet is generally going to be worse than the extra turn you get from Seize the Day... the Fleet turn will often have no more Provinces available, gaining non-VP cards won't help, etc.

The one advantage I can see in Fleet is that you can buy it at any time that you have an extra to spend; when you buy it doesn't change when your extra turn is. But with Seize the Day, you have to buy it at the same time you want your extra turn.

Still though, wouldn't Seize the Day even at still be generally better than Fleet? And yet it only costs .

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Puzzles and Challenges / Can we still empty the supply on turn 1?
« on: March 24, 2020, 10:32:58 am »
The old empty the supply infinite loop relied on Overlord being trashed and re-played infinitely. With the 2019 errata; that won't work anymore. I'm pretty sure it's still possible to do. But how?

First thing that comes to mind is Way of the Horse. This gives us a way to turn any card into a one-shot so that we can play the same card infinitely many times on a turn.

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Dominion General Discussion / Way of the Mouse with Durations
« on: March 22, 2020, 03:00:12 pm »
So it is now possible to play a bunch of Highways; use them as Way of the Mouse playing a Duration; causing those Highways to stay in play after your turn... giving your opponent all the benefit of your Highways in play.

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Rules Questions / "Their last turn" when it is currently "their" turn
« on: March 19, 2020, 01:14:35 pm »
Goatherd, Smugglers, and Treasure Hunter look at what happened on the player to your right's last turn. It's now possible to play these cards on your opponent's turn. So if it is currently your right-hand opponent's turn, and you play Goatherd/Smugglers/Treasure Hunter, does it look at the last turn that player had before the current turn?

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Rules Questions / Can you get +actions when it isn't your turn?
« on: March 18, 2020, 11:51:19 am »
Caravan Guard says (+1 Action has no effect if it's not your turn.)

It has been previously discussed whether that phrase means "you can't do anything with the extra action if it isn't your turn" or "you ignore the instruction to get +1 Action". I don't think the question was answered, as it never mattered.

But now, it can matter. With Black Cat, Way of the Mouse, Diadem, and Storyteller or Black Market, you can do all sorts of crazy things when it isn't your turn, including playing a Diadem and buying a card while it isn't your turn.

So do you automatically always have 0 actions while it isn't your turn, making Diadem always worth ? Or, do cards you play that give +actions work normally? Caravan Guard is the only +action card that has that reminder text; one could even argue that Caravan Guard doesn't give an action, but other +action cards do.

And if it is possible to get +actions when it isn't your turn, I assume that you start every turn except your own with 0 actions?

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Dominion General Discussion / March wording with new errata
« on: March 17, 2020, 11:15:24 am »
The new errata says:

when you are told to get a card from your discard pile, if it's not on top, or the card is chosen, you can look through your discard pile to get the card. You don't get to look through your discard pile to take the top card (again unless you're choosing a card from your discard pile).

I figured this meant that one of the new cards in Menagerie would have some sort of "trash a card from your discard pile" effect or something, and the errata was so that it didn't need to have "you may look through your discard pile".

Now there's March:

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Look through your discard pile.
You may play an Action card from it.

With the errata, why not just "you may play an action card from your discard pile"? Or alternatively, why have the errata talk about choosing a card from your discard pile implicitly allowing you to look through it if the new card that has you choose a card from your discard pile has that wording anyway?

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To not further sidetrack the preview thread with rules questions / debates; hereís a thread for this question.

You discard Tunnel and Village Green at the same time, and put Village Green on top (actually at the same time; no Militia question here. Letís just say you played Horse Traders on your own turn). Under pre-errata rules, you could reveal Tunnel even though in theory this required you to dig through your discard pile which wasnít allowed. Under the errata, no problem, you can dig through your discard pile to reveal the a Tunnel.

But what happens if you choose to play Village Green first, and draw a card, which triggers a reshuffle? Can you still use Tunnel's reaction to gain a Gold? Or can you not because it is impossible to reveal the Tunnel now that it is in your deck?

While it does seem like itís impossible to reveal it, under pre-errata rules it was also impossible to reveal it from your discard pile, but the rule was that you can reveal it anyway. The justification being that in practice, you reveal it as you discard it, not after itís in the discard pile. Does this same justification work for using the reaction after it is shuffled in?

Actually it doesnít matter which one was on top for this question. Though under pre-errata rules, the question only came up if Tunnel was buried.

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Dominion General Discussion / Changeling's on-gain ability
« on: January 24, 2020, 02:52:13 am »
Just played a game with Changeling, maybe for the first time. It never actually got bought, but made me realize... what's the point of the on-gain ability? It seems like it would only be useful in somewhat rare edge-cases... The vast majority of the time that you are gaining a card costing or more, it is because you bought it, or because you got to "gain a card costing up to X". In either of those cases though, you could have just gained Changeling directly instead.

So it seems like there are only 2 situations when you would actually use that ability... when there is another card that has an on-buy or on-gain ability that you want, but you actually want Changeling. Or, when you play something that allows you to gain an action, treasure, or victory card specifically; and you would rather have a Changeling.

Are these situations common enough to warrant what amounts to more than half the text on the card? Or is it just that it's very late, and after playing a bunch of games of Dominion in a row after having not played for a while, which is causing me to miss something obvious?

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General Discussion / Most played board games of the past 30 years
« on: January 18, 2020, 12:20:14 pm »
Neat video. Looks like itís ripping off the Data is Beautiful channel though. Anyway, Dominion has been number one for a while! And they apparently Intrigue out as a separate game. I guess this is based on total number of games played as recorded on BGG. Definitely skews that stats somewhat; thereís probably a lot more MTG games that have been played but not logged on BGG than Dominion games that were played but not logged. Same with things like Chess, etc.


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Other Games / Undertale
« on: November 02, 2019, 10:27:12 am »
Of course Iím a couple of years behind; but this game is fantastic!

Just finished my second playthrough; one more to go to see the bulk of the gameís content.

In terms of game mechanics; itís light on actual gameplay; though what is there is a lot of fun. What makes the game so great is the characters, story, themes, and music. The writing is just amazing; both in humor and plot. So very funny.

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Other Games / Temporum rules
« on: October 03, 2019, 08:09:34 pm »
If you have Detective in play, and no cards in hand when Neolithic Renaissance triggers; do you draw 3 or 4 cards?

Detective says when you have no cards in hand and draw, draw and extra card.

Neolithic Renaissance says each player draws until they have 3 cards in hand.

Depends on if the draw from Neolithic is one at a time or not it seems.

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General Discussion / Speedrunning
« on: September 29, 2019, 11:59:43 am »
So Grand Poo Bear, one of my favorite streamers, does a tour type thing called speedrun sessions where he goes around the country and hosts a speedrun event. Next week heís coming to Charlotte and Iím going!

Super excited to get to meet both Poo Bear and Barb; 2 streamers whom I watch a lot. Andy of Link to the Past Randomizer fame will be there also.

Itís a 2.5 hour drive on a Wednesday night. The things we do for fandom lol.

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Other Games / Greed
« on: September 16, 2019, 07:40:44 pm »
I bought a Donald X. game that isnít Dominion! Donít know anything at all about it. Is it good?

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Game Reports / The worst game of Dominion
« on: August 09, 2019, 02:25:35 am »
Played Dominion tonight for the first time in at least a year. IRL 4 player game, with jonts no less. The other 2 players were casual/newish players.

Board was:





Someone opened Sir Martin who happened to be on top. I went double Ambassador, jonts got Ambassador + Warehouse.

My ambassadors didn't collide, but one ended up in my bottom 2 cards, and was trashed by Sir Martin before I ever drew it once.

I got a Silver at some point and managed to hit for Dame Molly; jonts got a Knight eventually as well. Sir Martin player was getting very lucky Sir Martin draws and plays; Ambassadors and Silvers being trashed everywhere. was almost impossible to hit, and nothing cost .

Estates drained very quickly from the Ambassadors (all 4 players were playing them). Sir Martin player also got a bunch of Fool's Golds, but only once had 2 in hand at the same time... this was enough for him to hit for a King's Court that he would never get to play. The other player wisely got a Duchy when she finally hit . I got a City; but it was only played once.

Game ended on Estates, Ambassadors, and Fool's Golds. I won with 10 Estates. Duchy player only had 5 Estates or so; Sir Martin player had 7; jonts had the last 2 Estates for 2 points.

In total I think all 4 players combined saw or more 5 times between us. No one had ever.

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Other Games / Super Mario Odyssey
« on: August 05, 2019, 10:35:53 am »
Finally started this yesterday; been looking forward to it for a long time.

Fun so far. Even though the plan is to play it with my wife; I think we'll still to 1 player mode... 2 player feels awkward, where you really have to both be in sync. It's a neat idea, but seems like it would only be suited to 2 players who are both already really good at the game; not for a casual playthrough.

It's a fun time exploring things. Not quite the open world experience of BotW, but still plenty of stuff to just explore. The game play feels smooth and fun; the regular 3D Mario platforming is all there; and the hat just control really well.

 I am a bit confused about the "story quests" though; can someone explain how the actual requirements work? So to leave an area, you have to collect a minimum number of moons (at least for the first couple of areas; I'm assuming that basic mechanic stays the same). But aside from collecting random moons, there is always an active "story quest"; not actually sure what that's called... Mission? Quest? Thing? Anyway, you can do that main mission, but do you have to? Is the moon you get from the active mission any different than any other random moon?

For example, in the sand world, we got the required 16 moons needed to go to the next area, but we did so without completing "Showdown on the Inverted Pyramid". This allowed us to leave to the next area. We came back to fight the boss on the inverted pyramid, but was that completely optional? I'm assuming that if we had just done the story moons and not found other random ones, then even after completing all story, we still would have to find 16 total moons before going to the next area.

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Dominion General Discussion / Star Chart and the new shuffle rule
« on: February 27, 2019, 11:20:57 am »
Something in the projects list thread made me realize something; the change in shuffle rule between first edition and second edition matters for Star Chart. Given that Stash got updated wording to make it work the same as it did in first edition, is Star Chart the first time when the shuffle rule matters? I can't think of any other card off the top of my head where the difference means anything.

I'm guessing I'm not the only long-time Dominion player who still plays by the old shuffle rule when playing IRL. I wonder if this will be an issue if I end up playing a game with Star Chart. In practice, it will rarely matter. But still, I find it bothering that because of Star Chart, the new shuffle rule can no longer be seen as purely a matter of better tracking/convenience, but is now something that has an actual rules impact.

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#8 Editing an already-posted list because you didn't read through your mod reports closely.

Self-explanatory really. Not recommended.



#7 Reposting an already-posted list to put it into a different order that you prefer.

Clearly the worst way to do a best cards list.  No one should ever do this.



#6 Listing all cards in a completely random order, all within one post.

Although it has the advantage of not (usually) immediately spoiling either the best or the worst card for people reading the list, it makes it really difficult to compare cards for the purposes of discussion.



#5 Posting the cards all within one thread, but broken into several posts, with the best card first.

Having all cards in the same thread make it harder to load that thread; especially from a mobile device. It also makes it harder to follow discussions about a specific card. On the other hand, it makes it so that you can see all the discussion at once without opening multiple threads.



#4 Posting the cards all within one thread, but broken into several posts, with the worst card first.

Has all the same advantages and disadvantages of the all-one-thread system of #4, but has the advantage of being a "countdown" style, building up to the best card.



#3 A separate thread for each partial list (limited to 50 cards or so), ordered from worst card to best card, posted so that the best cards list comes out first.

Once the entire list is out, this is indistinguishable from the #1 way. But it's not a good user experience in the meantime; the order of the lists themselves is inconsistent with the order of the cards in the list.



#2 A separate thread for each partial list (limited to 50 cards or so), ordered from best card to worst card, posted so that the best cards list comes out first.

Similar to the #3 way, but has the advantage of being consistent with itself.



#1 A separate thread for each partial list (limited to 50 cards or so), ordered from worst card to best card, posted so that the best cards list comes out last.

This is the way the majority of The Dominion Cards Lists have worked. Some people voted it last, but many people voted it first.





Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Theory, please lock, etc.

#25 ▲25 Outpost (Seaside) Weighted Average: 73.0% ▲17.0pp / Unweighted Average: 70.2% (27) / Median: 73.8% ▲25.8pp / Standard Deviation: 19.5%

Chris is me: Itís taken the greater Dominion community quite a while to catch on to the rather simple idea that doubling the amount of turns you take is really, really good. Outpost is one of the biggest winners on this list, rocketing up 25 spots! Given some way to improve your deck reliability (thinning or sifting, really), itís basically just trading an Action for an entire turn. Even if you whiff once or twice, you just burned one Action on a potential extra turn. My rule of thumb is to buy it a shuffle earlier than I think I should.

tracer: Outpost has possibly the most exotic effect in the game (Possession currently doesnít exist in most peopleís worlds) and for that effect should be higher despite its drawbacks. It is the most important card on far too many boards to be so low.
#24 Old Witch (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 73.5% / Unweighted Average: 70.5% (25) / Median: 75.4% / Standard Deviation: 20.6%

Chris is me: Old Witch is a bit better than it is rated here, I think. The thing about Old Witch is that it recognizes that Cursing attacks are already (usually) temporary. The long-term drawing potential of +3 Cards makes up for the drawback of sometimes letting the opponent trash a curse, and in my opinion itís often better for an engine than Witch. That extra card draw is really nice.
#23 ▲12 Horn of Plenty (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 73.7% ▲8.6pp / Unweighted Average: 67.9% (31) / Median: 76.2% ▲6.2pp / Standard Deviation: 24.3%

tracer: One of the large risers on this list, Horn of Plenty is one of the best gainers around. Given some amount of draw there is usually a way to make it able to gain Provinces, and before that big turn it will non-terminally gain all the things needed to make it happen.
#22 ▲1 Groundskeeper (Empires) Weighted Average: 74.1% ▼0.5pp / Unweighted Average: 72.1% (22) / Median: 80.0% ▲12.4pp / Standard Deviation: 21.2%

xyrix: Personally I always find beating someone who has 7 Provinces by buying 8 Estates very satisfying, but ďmost satisfyingĒ is only one dimension of ďbetterĒ. Groundskeeper is hard to rate because itís both staggeringly powerful at the top end and often crushingly slow.

tracer: Groundskeeper is super dependent on having draw or very good thinning, but with draw is usually essential. It may be slow to set up but can score a lot quickly when needed and is so much better for a deck than victory cards.
#21 ▲10 Knights (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 74.1% ▲6.3pp / Unweighted Average: 71.7% (23) / Median: 73.0% ▲3.0pp / Standard Deviation: 16.6%

xyrix: Knights have gone from underrated from pure gentility dissuading their purchase, to probably overrated as people are often too eager to buy the top Knight even when itís bad. A lot of the Knights are bad! There is an absolute chasm between Bailey and Jo.

Chris is me: Even so, losing the Knight split can be a major disadvantage, as it essentially puts a timer on how long your deck will keep working while components are sapped away.
#20 ▼7 Avanto (Promo) Weighted Average: 77.2% ▼5.0pp / Unweighted Average: 75.0% (19) / Median: 79.4% ▼2.4pp / Standard Deviation: 18.0%

tracer: Although dropping seven spots, Avanto still seems high for what it is. With Sauna often questionable as a gain, Avanto is not available in many games and even when it is, a simple +3 cards that helps Saunas not be terrible does not compare favorably to the more exotic effects of the closely ranked cards.

#19 ▲2 Highway (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 78.3% ▲2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 76.0% (17) / Median: 78.7% ▲1.4pp / Standard Deviation: 18.1%

Chris is me: Cost reduction without taking up any terminal space is still uniquely powerful, and extra gains to exploit Highway with are more common than ever. The card will never be useful on absolutely every board, as it is completely dependent on extra gains, but it doesnít take much for the Highway split to be game-deciding. Bridge Troll offers stiff competition lately, as even though it is terminal, the Duration effect means it doesnít take as much terminal space.
#18 ▲2 Lost City (Adventures) Weighted Average: 79.2% ▲3.5pp / Unweighted Average: 78.1% (14) / Median: 84.8% ▲2.1pp / Standard Deviation: 19.2%

Chris is me: Draw and Actions together in one gain and one card are always going to be useful. Dominion may offer many other ways to build an engine, but few are as gain-efficient as Lost City, and the on-gain penalty is really no big deal compared to the utility of the card. Itís a bit too vanilla of a card to get any higher on this list, but itís simple and effective.
#17 ▼8 Upgrade (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 79.3% ▼8.1pp / Unweighted Average: 73.7% (21) / Median: 84.1% ▼4.1pp / Standard Deviation: 23.1%

tracer: A big loser along with the similar Junk Dealer, as a trasher Upgrade similarly suffers from being expensive and somewhat slow. Contrasting with Junk Dealer, Upgrade is typically worse for your deck early as it does not allow expensive buys but can be more useful later gaining components or points.
#16 ▼1 Counterfeit (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 80.0% ▼0.7pp / Unweighted Average: 77.9% (15) / Median: 81.0% ▼1.7pp / Standard Deviation: 16.6%

xyrix: Counterfeit is better than Upgrade and at least the list reflects that now. Maybe next year itíll also pass Junk Dealer. Itís a nice tempo trasher that gives +Buy and can continue to be useful throughout the whole game. Notably, if you take more Silvers in the opening than youíd otherwise like because you need to get to Counterfeit, it provides a nice way to get rid of them later.
#15 ▲1 Bridge Troll (Adventures) Weighted Average: 80.4% ▲1.1pp / Unweighted Average: 75.1% (18) / Median: 84.1% ▲2.3pp / Standard Deviation: 18.5%

xyrix: Bridge Troll is unique in that with only a village you can do an 8 Province megaturn even without any draw on the board. Granted, itís not very likely if you donít also have trashing but it is possible. Anyways, cost reduction is broken, Bridge Troll gives you the +Buy you need to exploit that and itís much easier on your terminal space and draw than Bridge is. The attack even hurts a decent amount if your opponent tries to go for some sort of money strategy.
#14 =0 Hunting Party (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 81.4% ▲0.2pp / Unweighted Average: 78.5% (13) / Median: 85.7% ▲1.1pp / Standard Deviation: 18.7%

tracer: The finest non-terminal draw card Dominion has to offer stays appropriately high year after year. Early on Hunting Party makes you see your key cards more often, and later it helps to keep turns going by picking out what is lacking in your hand.
#13 ▼10 Junk Dealer (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 82.5% ▼7.5pp / Unweighted Average: 78.5% (12) / Median: 90.3% ▲1.2pp / Standard Deviation: 25.8%

Chris is me: Junk Dealer has plummeted from the Top 10, and honestly the main fault I can find in J-Dizzle is that thereís so much competition for great $5 costs, especially trashers. It is still an excellent trasher that conserves tempo with the economy boost it gives on-play. It is the first trasher on this list that eventually reaches a point where you can no longer play it, though, and perhaps that is Junk Dealerís undoing versus cards like Sentry and Recruiter. $5 gain opportunities are really valuable in fast paced, high level play, so it makes sense that JD, while still a great trasher, loses out to cards with more staying power throughout the game.

xyrix: Iím glad we can close the book on the dark year where Junk Dealer was ranked as the #2 $5 cost. Itís killer off the 5/2 opening but otherwise you often need 2Ė3 to get clean in a reasonable timeframe, which is just too slow to justify passing up good trashers at the sub-$5 cost level.
#12 ▲14 Vampire (Nocturne) Weighted Average: 82.5% ▲11.4pp / Unweighted Average: 81.6% (10) / Median: 84.9% ▲12.2pp / Standard Deviation: 13.8%

Chris is me: Vampire was quite underrated last year for all it accomplishes in one set of cards - trashing, gaining, attacking. But perhaps there has been a bit of an overcorrection here, as evidenced by its higher unweighted ranking. In very high-tempo games, Vampire ends up being a bit slow, especially if you have to rely on Bat as your primary trashing. Itís an extremely effective card in many decks, but itís important to acknowledge this slight limitation.

xyrix: If Bat is the only trashing, then you probably arenít in a very high-tempo game. I like Vampire a lot, a non-terminal $5 gainer with an attack is just crazy. The Bat does slow it down a bit but I think a top-10 position would be justified.
#11 =0 Butcher (Guilds) Weighted Average: 82.7% ▼0.6pp / Unweighted Average: 76.8% (16) / Median: 86.4% =0.0pp / Standard Deviation: 21.8%

tracer: After a significant rise last year, Butcher stayed put in these rankings this year although I would argue it should be higher. Few cards provide the versatility that Butcher does: it fits into nearly any deck and provides utility throughout the entire game. Not gaining Butcher is considered a nearly automatic loss in high-level play, and the unweighted ranking 5 below the weighted one seems to show that this idea has not caught on at the lower levels.
#10 ▼3 Witch (Base) Weighted Average: 83.8% ▼4.7pp / Unweighted Average: 81.9% (8) / Median: 92.9% ▼0.7pp / Standard Deviation: 16.4%

xyrix: Witch is the first card on this list to not just absolutely beat you over the head with how obviously good it is. There just arenít that many cards that unconditionally hand out Curses. Itís fallen in the rankings a significant amount as trashing continues to get stronger and could probably stand to fall a bit more. Itís a good card but if something is a top 10 $5 cost I should at least be excited to buy it more often than not.
#9 ▲9 Ghost Ship (Seaside) Weighted Average: 83.9% ▲6.6pp / Unweighted Average: 81.2% (11) / Median: 85.6% ▲4.7pp / Standard Deviation: 16.4%

xyrix: Attacks that draw cards are the big winners of this yearís $5 cost list, perhaps on the heels of the addition of Villagers to the game, and Ghost Ship sees the biggest rise. Unlike Torturer, a single Ghost Ship can effectively shut an unprepared opponent out of the game, so thereís an argument that the Ship could rise even higher.

Chris is me: As an attack, when Ghost Ship is good, itís as paralyzing and crippling as they come. With the right components on the board (mostly trashing) it is relatively easy to play against, but in the right conditions this attackís ceiling is sky high.
#8 ▲2 Torturer (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 86.3% ▲1.0pp / Unweighted Average: 81.7% (9) / Median: 88.9% ▲0.7pp / Standard Deviation: 20.7%

tracer: Terminal draw cards that happen to do something bad to your opponent are easy to like, and Torturerís high ranking reflects this. While often frustrating to play against when played in multiples, compared to similar cards below it Torturerís attack lacks some potency in the presence of trashing and is generally weaker when terminal space is very limited.
#7 ▲5 Margrave (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 87.1% ▲4.9pp / Unweighted Average: 81.9% (7) / Median: 88.9% ▲0.9pp / Standard Deviation: 19.4%

Chris is me: Margrave has been steadily climbing the ranks over the years. The combination of draw and +Buy alone is already quite potent and powerful (see: Wharf), but the addition of a handsize attack lets Margrave accomplish so much in the space of just one terminal Action. That kind of functional density is really hard to beat. Of the many, many options for $5 ďSmithy-plusĒ cards, Margrave accomplishes more than any of them. The slight nerf of the attack with repeated use can be a bummer, but itís not enough to keep this card out of the top 10.
#6 ▲2 Sentry (Base) Weighted Average: 88.7% ▲0.2pp / Unweighted Average: 85.0% (6) / Median: 89.5% ▼0.5pp / Standard Deviation: 14.7%

Chris is me: While there are arguably better $5 trashers, Sentry is unique in being both an excellent low-risk trasher with a good chance of trashing multiple cards, while also being a good mid to late game utility card. Sentry has no negative effects on your tempo / economy the turn you play it, without being as fuckle as other top-of-deck trashers like Lookout or Doctor. It loses to Recruiter in its lack of immediate benefit to your turn and struggles with trashing the last couple junk cards in your deck.
#5 Recruiter (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 91.4% / Unweighted Average: 86.2% (5) / Median: 96.0% / Standard Deviation: 19.9%

tracer: I expect Recruiter to rise 4 spots next year to #1. It is one of very few cards that can claim to help you be faster in multiple ways, being great both as a trasher and as a village. While it may not define a board as much as those cards above it, it helps tremendously with anything you want to play.

Chris is me: Recruiter is the best tempo card in Dominion; itís somehow underrated despite debuting at #5. Itís a Masquerade thatís also a source of +Actions! Villagers are most valuable early on when your deck otherwise lacks consistency, and Recruiter provides an abundance of them.

xyrix: Given how new cards are generally severely underrated in these rankings, Recruiter ending up at #5 is effectively a statement that itís the #1 $5 cost to me.
#4 ▲1 Governor (Promo) Weighted Average: 93.0% ▲3.6pp / Unweighted Average: 91.9% (2) / Median: 96.8% ▲4.1pp / Standard Deviation: 10.5%

xyrix: Governor is perhaps unfairly penalized for not being as strong without support as Mountebank and Cultist; as one of the best non-terminal cards it is rarely ignorable. Even on boards where another method of gaining Provinces is faster (e.g. Horn of Plenty), Governors offer very strong draw on the final turn.
#3 ▲1 Cultist (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 94.6% ▲4.8pp / Unweighted Average: 91.0% (4) / Median: 97.6% ▲2.1pp / Standard Deviation: 19.8%

xyrix: While Mountebank remains a consistent threat to your opponentís deck, Cultist threatens to send out 10 junk cards at unparalleled speed. Its ability to serve as moderately strong draw makes Cultist important on many boards where junkers would otherwise be ignored.
#2 ▲1 Mountebank (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 95.1% ▲5.2pp / Unweighted Average: 91.3% (3) / Median: 99.2% ▲0.1pp / Standard Deviation: 20.6%

tracer: Along with Cultist one of the cards that can blow up an otherwise nice board, Mountebank certainly deserves its high ranking. That said, I would have it below Cultist since draw tends to be more valuable than terminal coin once you are cleaned up a bit, which has become easier to do the way the game is played today.
#1 =0 Wharf (Seaside) Weighted Average: 95.8% ▲3.7pp / Unweighted Average: 92.7% (1) / Median: 97.6% ▲0.3pp / Standard Deviation: 17.7%

Chris is me: Wharf ends up on top once again in the rankings, as the consistency and reliability of start-of-turn draw is incredibly valuable for consistency. While newer cards like Den Of Sin cut into Wharfís niche somewhat, the combination of draw on the turn you play it and the +Buys make Wharf a card that improves basically any deck. As more and more methods for dealing with the harshest of junking attacks pop up, Wharfís more consistent value keeps it on top.

tracer:Wharf is amazing but shouldnít be #1 because it has this problem where other cards are more essential to not losing.

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Original thread.

One thing that stands out to me is that Donald doesn't mention Duration cards in regards to Empires, Nocturne, or Renaissance. I guess the idea was that Adventure's "Duration cards return" was meant as "starting with Adventures, Duration cards became part of every set". But that's not clear; if I didn't know otherwise, I would have thought that Durations only existed in Seaside and Adventures.

Anyway, even though I mostly only ever played full random, thus don't think too much about which cards are even part of which sets, I agree with the "someone else" that Seaside and Prosperity are my favorites.

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#70 ▼20 Soothsayer (Guilds) Weighted Average: 47.7% ▼12.3pp / Unweighted Average: 51.5% (60) / Median: 51.6% ▼6.4pp / Standard Deviation: 21.1%

xyrix: Soothsayer gives you a Gold and your opponent a Curse. Sometimes there is a huge difference in utility between Gold and Curse and sometimes there isnít.

tracer: Seeing Soothsayer fall so far is satisfying - maybe the unweighted ranking will catch up next year. The card it draws your opponent means that it pretty commonly gives them more pace than it gives you.
#69 Scepter (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 47.9% / Unweighted Average: 50.3% (64) / Median: 48.8% / Standard Deviation: 20.1%

xyrix: Scepter is some sort of unholy union of Royal Carriage and Crown which combines the drawbacks of each. There are occasionally more creative ways to use it but mostly itís an expensive Throne Room which you can only use on payload. Sometimes you get it anyways though because Throne Room is a really good card.

Chris is me: I think the potential of Scepter isnít fully realized yet. That doesnít mean itís actually an amazing card, but thereís some situations where a board might otherwise be uninspired but for Scepter letting you get a bunch more payload plays in without consuming Actions.

tracer: Scepter really is terrible and super limited in use. It should and will see a pretty big drop next year.
#68 ▲3 Bustling Village (Empires) Weighted Average: 48.0% ▲2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 44.6% (74) / Median: 47.2% ▲6.2pp / Standard Deviation: 21.2%

tracer: Bustling Village has a great effect on play and despite being the bottom card of a split pile is seen fairly often due to the non-offensiveness of Settlers. If anything is holding its ranking down, it should be that for consistency purposes +3 actions is often in excess: for the number of villages needed to have one at the start of a turn, +2 actions would be sufficient.
#67 ▼3 Legionary (Empires) Weighted Average: 48.7% ▼2.3pp / Unweighted Average: 50.9% (62) / Median: 46.8% ▼7.2pp / Standard Deviation: 21.2%

Chris is me: Legionaryís discard attack is downright vicious, but itís held back from being a top tier attack by how damn long it takes to get set up. Consistently lining it up with Gold is not easy, and by the time you pull that off, youíve both probably reached a point where a 2 card hand is at least not an automatic dud. If you get an early lead Legionary can downright bury an opponent, kinda like Ghost Ship does, but less so.
#66 ▲2 Bandit Camp (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 48.9% ▲0.9pp / Unweighted Average: 52.6% (57) / Median: 50.8% ▲4.9pp / Standard Deviation: 16.3%

Chris is me: Bandit Camp offers strong economyÖ sorta, at the cost of cycling later. It cancels out to a card thatís a little better than Festival, really. Those Spoils can really get in the way if you have to stack a lot of these, but they can also let you avoid investing in other economy if you have a consistent enough deck. Definitely a middle of the pack card.
#65 ▼2 Relic (Adventures) Weighted Average: 49.3% ▼2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 50.1% (65) / Median: 50.8% ▲1.8pp / Standard Deviation: 15.0%

tracer: Relic is a fairly strong attack against any deck which is easy to play and should probably be higher than this. A consistent -card token against a money strategy is brutal while against engines it has the potential to force unfortunate duds.
#64 Sculptor (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 50.2% / Unweighted Average: 48.8% (68) / Median: 54.8% / Standard Deviation: 23.5%

xyrix: In my opinion the best Workshop variant, Sculptor is a valuable addition to any deck. The ability to gain the needed card to hand is strong on its own; the additional facilitation of this ability from a stored Villager really puts Sculptor over the top as an excellent card. Even on boards where the options at $4 or less are limited, Sculptorís Silver gain helps ensure that the $5+ price point continues to be hit. Severely underrated.
#63 ▼16 Tactician (Seaside) Weighted Average: 50.3% ▼10.7pp / Unweighted Average: 54.5% (54) / Median: 58.7% ▼6.3pp / Standard Deviation: 23.5%

xyrix: Tactician is good at two things: spiking big price points (which usually isnít important) and playing Double-Tac. Double-Tac is a lot of fun but it is often a struggle to get to double-Province turns just from non-Treasure payload. Innovation-Tactician is a new combo which is worth being aware of.

tracer: Tactician deserves this drop. It turns out that 2 good turns are usually better than one mediocre one and one great one with what a good turn means now.
#62 ▲2 Artificer (Adventures) Weighted Average: 50.4% ▲0.4pp / Unweighted Average: 47.6% (71) / Median: 50.0% ▲4.0pp / Standard Deviation: 16.2%

tracer: Artificer is another card much lower in the unweighted rankings than the weighted ones. This is probably a result of Artificer being more able to be taken advantage of in better decks with massive amounts of draw, where it can be an effective gainer. Topdecking even allows saving turns with whatever component is needed.
#61 ▲26 Tragic Hero (Nocturne) Weighted Average: 50.7% ▲15.5pp / Unweighted Average: 50.6% (63) / Median: 48.4% ▲19.7pp / Standard Deviation: 18.4%

Chris is me: Another awkward card that rewards you if you can handle its quirkiness, Tragic Hero is somewhere between a draw-to-x card and a weird way to cycle and pop some payload into your deck at once. When you canít have good control over its effect, it can be very tricky to work with, but 3 cards and 1 buy is too strong to pass up most of the time.

xyrix: Tragic Hero is amazing (especially if thereís a Treasure better than Gold on the board) and Iím very happy it took a huge jump this year.
#60 ▲1 Archive (Empires) Weighted Average: 51.1% ▼1.9pp / Unweighted Average: 51.2% (61) / Median: 53.4% ▲3.4pp / Standard Deviation: 18.5%

Chris is me: Archive is a really flexible way to deal with any imperfect Dominion board - shrinking your deck without trashing, increasing handsize without really drawing, etc. It will always have that ceiling of just not being very good on those really thin boards, but those are far less common than people think.

xyrix: Iím surprised to find Archive this low; I think itís stronger than the non-attacking Smithy variants. Unless there is very strong trashing, itís usually the first draw card Iíll buy.
#59 ▼3 Forum (Empires) Weighted Average: 52.3% ▼4.7pp / Unweighted Average: 48.8% (67) / Median: 51.1% ▼3.9pp / Standard Deviation: 19.2%

tracer: Eight spots lower in the unweighted ranking, Forum should be higher than its weighted ranking puts it. Forum is easy to gain and since it filters without decreasing handsize is good at enabling engines without draw while still being a great consistency measure when draw is present.

xyrix: +3 Cards +1 Action something something +1 Buy. Forum is a good card.
#58 ▼7 Werewolf (Nocturne) Weighted Average: 52.3% ▼6.7pp / Unweighted Average: 54.5% (55) / Median: 57.1% ▼2.9pp / Standard Deviation: 18.2%

xyrix: Gaining more Smithies that you need so that you can dole out a weakish attack is not usually a great move, so Werewolf is arguably the most vanilla of the Smithy variants. I think itís significantly overrated.

Chris is me: The one thing worth noting about Werewolf is that if the opportunity cost to gain them isnít too high, playing multiple nonterminal Hexes a turn can actually start to hurt a little. Itís also nice to be rewarded for being responsible and not triggering a bad shuffle. But it really doesnít do a whole lot more than Smithy most of the time.
#57 ▼5 Journeyman (Guilds) Weighted Average: 53.4% ▼5.6pp / Unweighted Average: 52.1% (59) / Median: 47.6% ▼10.4pp / Standard Deviation: 17.7%

xyrix: Journeyman shines on boards where you have Estate trashing but not Copper trashing or vice-versa. Its ability to skip payload cards can also be important. However, its sifting ability often declines in power significantly upon greening, so I think it is somewhat overrated still.
#56 ▲3 Patrol (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 53.7% ▼2.3pp / Unweighted Average: 49.8% (66) / Median: 52.0% ▼4.0pp / Standard Deviation: 16.5%

tracer: Patrol seems to go less appreciated by weaker players with an unweighted ranking 10 spots below the weighted one. Of the non-attacking terminal draw cards at $5, I think Patrol is a clear third behind Wharf and Wild Hunt due to the reordering ability and so should be relatively higher on this list.

Chris is me: What people donít really internalize about the reordering ability is that, assuming a drawing Village is used, you get seven cards to find your next Patrol (by reordering it onto the top). This is huge for reliability, and way better than like, getting a Coffer when you draw after having whiffed the previous turn.

xyrix: Itís important to remember that the reordering only really benefits you if you started your turn with a village and a Patrol in hand already. Itís a little bit of added reliability but it isnít nearly as good as duration draw at ensuring you can kick off every turn.
#55 Swashbuckler (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 54.3%  / Unweighted Average: 52.6% (58) / Median: 50.8% / Standard Deviation: 16.4%

Chris is me: +3 Cards and also another thing is cool, but itís actually reasonably hard to activate Swashbuckler. The Gold thing is really a gimmick, and the Coffers are just some nice candy on top of what is otherwise a perfectly normal draw card. Iím very surprised it got the nod over Patrol and Journeyman.

xyrix: I like Swashbuckler a lot, I think itís usually worth building your deck a little bit differently (adding an extra Cellar or Workshop, say) so that you can activate it. The Treasure Chest is better than it looks since you always have the possibility to get Swashbucklers to draw that Gold.
#54 Capitalism (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 54.9%  / Unweighted Average: 57.6% (48) / Median: 53.2% / Standard Deviation: 18.8%

Chris is me: There is an odd degree of consensus on the ranking of this very strange card, but I think it is slightly underrated. Sometimes it just makes your payload nonterminal, but other times it enables all sorts of craziness that just wouldnít be possible without something that so fundamentally bends all the rules. It can really be a $5 Champion sometimes, or it can breathe life into interesting-but-weaker cards like Navigator.

tracer: How exotic this project is probably has it placed higher than it deserves. There are some instances where it is obvious to use, but it rarely helps decks work that otherwise wouldnít.
#53 ▲10 Plunder (Empires) Weighted Average: 56.4% ▲7.4pp / Unweighted Average: 59.0% (44) / Median: 52.7% ▲5.7pp / Standard Deviation: 17.8%

tracer: Plunderís most important use is probably keeping Encampments at a price less than that of Gold, although in similar strength decks the additional points from having extra Plunders can be important. I would consider this rise unwarranted, though you donít want to be losing the split by more than one.

Chris is me: This probably speaks to my scrub-like playing tendencies more than anything but I really value those extra points from the Plunder split. In drawn-out games it can absolutely decide the match.
#52 Fleet (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 56.5% / Unweighted Average: 53.3% (56) / Median: 58.7% / Standard Deviation: 24.8%

xyrix: Fleet is a tricky card to rank. It functions effectively as alt-VP, but unlike other alt-VP sources it canít be used to claw back from a serious deficit (unless perhaps your opponent blunders and skips Fleet). Itís a must-buy in a close game, but overall I havenít found it to change the outcome of the game all that often.

Chris is me: Much like City above, the main thing Fleet actually does is make your head hurt, as all your pileout math goes out the window. You basically buy it around when you would get your first Duchy, as it is really rare that you will score less than 3 points on that last turn. More than anything its insurance against your opponent pulling a fast one on you and executing some elaborate pileout where they win with their one Estate or something.
#51 ▲5 Catacombs (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 57.3% ▲2.3pp / Unweighted Average: 55.4% (53) / Median: 59.2% ▲6.2pp / Standard Deviation: 15.2%

xyrix: Catacombs is ranked as the best ďSmithy + reliability.Ē In comparison with Patrol, it offers additional sifting vs. Patrolís additional draw and topdeck ordering. The on-trash benefit is easy to ignore but has some combos (Procession, Lurker).

tracer: Catacombs being ranked so differently from the similar cards (Journeyman, Patrol) is bizarre.
#50 =0 Swamp Hag (Adventures) Weighted Average: 57.3% ▼1.7pp / Unweighted Average: 59.0% (45) / Median: 60.3% ▼3.7pp / Standard Deviation: 20.5%

tracer: Swamp Hag feels low, but it is difficult to see it much higher, which speaks to the strength of the upper tier of 5 cost cards. Being able to play Swamp Hags consistently can make using multiple or even any buys awkward, which can lead to drawn out games as players try to avoid taking curses.
#49 ▼3 City (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 57.5% ▼2.5pp / Unweighted Average: 56.7% (50) / Median: 57.6% ▼0.4pp / Standard Deviation: 18.5%

Chris is me: There are more boards than ever with quick pile runs, so you would think City has more merit than it does, but it still suffers from the fundamental problem of delayed payoff combined with the first-mover disadvantage caused by being the player to empty a pile at the end of a turn. It definitely warps the game a lot more than other cards on this list just on how it changes behavior on that second pile draining.
#48 ▲3 Rabble (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 58.9% ▲0.9pp / Unweighted Average: 55.5% (52) / Median: 57.1% ▼1.9pp / Standard Deviation: 17.8%

Chris is me: Rabbleís attack can occasionally really, but more than anything its place here on the list is because it draws three cards for you. Thatís always nice. I really donít think itís better than Patrol, which has essentially double the search space for added reliability, but whatever.
#47 ▼4 Bazaar (Seaside) Weighted Average: 59.0% ▼2.5pp / Unweighted Average: 56.6% (51) / Median: 56.4% ▲1.8pp / Standard Deviation: 11.4%

tracer: Bazaar is a village and villages always have a place towards the high end of these rankings. In particular, Bazaar is valuable for providing coin that doesnít require additional draw, which means higher than usual consistency for the large amount of buying power decks with Bazaar typically have.
#46 Spices (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 60.4% / Unweighted Average: 60.5% (43) / Median: 57.9% / Standard Deviation: 18.2%

xyrix: The strength of Spices was one of the biggest surprises for many people as they began to figure out the Renaissance cards. It has a lot going for it, but to me one of its best attributes is its elegant solution to the ď$11 Herbalist problem:Ē it lets you add a non-terminal +Buy to your deck while saving some of the excess money you might have had that prompted the addition of a +Buy to your deck. Itís hard for me to say that it should continue to rise further, but itís earned this relatively lofty position among non-attack payload cards.

tracer: Spices has started way overrated. It performs well in money and at the ends of games but other +buy is still most often preferable.
#45 ▼24 Rebuild (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 61.6% ▼16.4pp / Unweighted Average: 69.0% (28) / Median: 72.0% ▼8.9pp / Standard Deviation: 26.3%

xyrix: lol Rebuild. Itís managed a precipitous drop in the rankings as people realize that good money decks can beat Rebuild almost as well as engines. It could still stand to fall another 50 or so slots.

Chris is me: Rebuild is a relic of the past. Thereís almost always either something faster possible or other ways to score points that make its ability to melt Duchy less scary.

tracer: lol Rebuild
#44 ▼3 Replace (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 62.3% ▲0.4pp / Unweighted Average: 57.8% (47) / Median: 61.1% ▲1.1pp / Standard Deviation: 20.8%

tracer: Replace mysteriously drops from an already too low position. It is the second strongest card of the Remodel family behind Butcher and almost always features prominently in games where it is present, both for the cursing attack and the ability of topdecking to continue the current turn or better future ones.

Chris is me: Topdecking remains the most undervalued ability in Dominion, and Replaceís ability really improves early game deck tempo by a lot. Those Curses can be essential in pileout victories as well.
#43 Treasurer (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 63.2% / Unweighted Average: 63.9% (41) / Median: 65.9% / Standard Deviation: 21.1%

Chris is me: Treasurer has a lot of tricks for what might look like a $5 Moneylender at first glance. It offers strong economy throughout the whole game, with neat Treasure-recycling properties useful with trash-for-benefit, and I guess sometimes the Key matters a little bit. You can confidently grab it with your first $5 knowing that youíll definitely hit $5 again soon.

tracer: Treasurer deserves at least this ranking just because of how good Moneylender is. Key might be a bit overhyped.
#42 ▲8 Triumph (Empires) Weighted Average: 63.2% ▲5.2pp / Unweighted Average: 57.5% (49) / Median: 59.2% ▼1.8pp / Standard Deviation: 26.9%

Chris is me: Triumph is surging in rank for good reason; on any strong engine board it basically just gives the win to whomever ends the game. Tying points to card gains is a terrific way to score while building or to set up large scoring turns fully separate from the Province pile. Combine that with Triumphís utility in slogs or combos with things like Beggar, and you have a very useful scoring method on your hands. Weaker players continue to heavily undervalue Triumph, leading to a much lower weighted rank and standard deviation, and a lot of easy wins for top players.

tracer: Triumph is often bonkers but the number of boards where it is unimpressive is a bit too high for me to see it rising much further.
#41 ▲14 Storyteller (Adventures) Weighted Average: 63.9% ▲9.9pp / Unweighted Average: 60.6% (42) / Median: 61.1% ▲4.1pp / Standard Deviation: 17.3%

tracer: This is one of the larger jumps on this list and deservedly so. Storyteller is one of the strongest draw cards available, with decks able to be drawn with only a few plays. The only thing keeping it from being higher is a consistency issue, where the treasures which fuel its draw making it difficult to see Storytellers at the start of turn when they are needed.
#40 ▲5 Summon (Promo) Weighted Average: 64.7% ▲4.7pp / Unweighted Average: 57.8% (46) / Median: 56.4% ▼2.6pp / Standard Deviation: 25.8%

xyrix: Summon is $5 for a one-shot Lost City effect and a card costing $4 or less. Sometimes thatís really good if you wanted the card anyways, other times Summoning as much as you can is a trap by comparison to buying some of the other wonderful $5 cost things on this list.

tracer:More often buying things for $5 rather than Summoning is the trap.
#39 Academy (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 66.9% / Unweighted Average: 64.3% (40) / Median: 74.2% / Standard Deviation: 27.5%

xyrix: Academy is basically $5 Champion. If you disagree with that statement, you should buy Academy earlier and/or more often. Easily a top 10 $5 cost.

tracer: Itís not quite Champion and considering the top of the list maybe not quite top 10, but should do better than halve its ranking next year.
#38 ▼6 Haggler (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 68.3% ▼1.0pp / Unweighted Average: 65.1% (39) / Median: 74.2% ▲6.9pp / Standard Deviation: 21.1%

tracer: Hagglerís drop is curious to me as it is very strong. The ability to gain multiple engine components with one buy as well as continue to build through greening should put Haggler higher than this. Additionally, playing multiple Hagglers offers very strong pile control to give an edge in ability to end the game.
#37 ▼1 Haunted Woods (Adventures) Weighted Average: 68.3% ▲1.8pp / Unweighted Average: 66.5% (35) / Median: 68.3% ▲1.9pp / Standard Deviation: 17.7%

Chris is me: Haunted Woods, much like Enchantress, is a set-up-next-turn card with an attack that is only occasionally relevant. But thatís fine since setting up your next turn is great, and you really donít even need that many Haunted Woods plays to draw a substantial amount of your deck. Two pairs of HW is almost like double Tactician without all the hassle of not using any Treasures. Taking up terminal space while not immediately doing anything is really the main drawback of this card, and probably why it isnít rated much higher.
#36 ▲2 Laboratory (Base) Weighted Average: 68.8% ▲5.4pp / Unweighted Average: 68.5% (30) / Median: 73.8% ▲4.7pp / Standard Deviation: 17.9%

Chris is me: Lab is a card new players get very excited about before realizing using $5 gains on a handsize increase of 1 isnít always the best you can do, but itís still a dependable, reliable card, sort of the quintessential $5 cost card. With more ways to gain $5 cost cards in the past couple of expansions the opportunity cost for spamming Lab is getting lower, so it makes sense that itís being held in higher regard.
#35 ▼6 Count (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 69.6% ▼1.1pp / Unweighted Average: 67.7% (32) / Median: 73.0% ▼0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 18.8%

tracer: Like last year dropping in rank after large gains the years before, Countís main claim is as a trasher that can do something somewhat useful afterwards. However, it is often outclassed by more selective trashers that allow turns to be more productive afterwards, and the non-trashing benefits are often too weak to bother gaining Count if not for the trashing.

Chris is me: ďTrasher that isnít useless afterwardsĒ is a niche that Count is quickly losing, but itís still a neat little utility card. Thereís a bunch of tricks it can do that are useful when you need them, but ultimately I think itís falling due to its clunkiness.
#34 ▲1 Stables (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 69.8% ▲2.4pp / Unweighted Average: 66.0% (36) / Median: 70.6% ▲0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 17.6%

xyrix: Stables is perennially underrated because people trash too many treasures and then are sad that they dud. Itís +3 Cards +1 Action, having to discard a Copper is a small price to pay to see your good cards! The combination of sifting and draw makes Stables very strong, and I think close to Hunting Party in power.

Chris is me: I mean itís clearly worse than Hunting Party, and Iím a little shocked it ended up above Lab, but the extra cycling in the early to mid game is really nice. Keeping Treasures around when you didnít otherwise want or need to can be really frustrating, but as long as youíre honest about the needs of a Stables deck it wonít let you down.
#33 ▲1 Den of Sin (Nocturne) Weighted Average: 70.1% ▲2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 65.9% (38) / Median: 69.6% ▲3.5pp / Standard Deviation: 17.0%

xyrix: I was one of the people who was initially underwhelmed by Den of Sin, but duration draw and gaining to hand are just so, so nice. Itís a pretty uncommon board where you donít want any.

Chris is me: Den of Sin is seriously underrated on this list. I think a lot of newer players think of it as like a weird Lab variant or something, but the important thing is start of turn draw is so much better than conventional draw! The gain to hand thing is just a bonus; the consistency it offers without even using terminal space is basically unmatched. Itís more comparable to Wharf than people want to admit.

xyrix: I donít think the gain to hand thing is ďjust a bonus:Ē without it Den would be worse than Caravan, and a $5 Caravan isnít sniffing the top half of this list.
#32 ▼8 Crown (Empires) Weighted Average: 70.3% ▼4.5pp / Unweighted Average: 70.6% (24) / Median: 72.2% ▼2.0pp / Standard Deviation: 14.0%

tracer: Crown drops a number of spots and while the reason for this drop is unclear, I agree with it (although Royal Carriage should have dropped too). While powerful, Throne-variants suffer in decks where their village effect is unnecessary as a second copy of an engine component offers more consistency than attempting to double it.

xyrix: I have to disagree with tracer on this one; decks where the village effect is unnecessary are pretty rare. Usually Iím happy to buy as many Crowns as my deck can handle instead of villages and youíre happy to have that extra efficiency.
#31 =0 Cursed Village (Nocturne) Weighted Average: 70.5% ▲0.4pp / Unweighted Average: 67.2% (34) / Median: 69.1% ▲0.9pp / Standard Deviation: 18.6%

Chris is me: Probably my favorite card on this list, Cursed Village is probably the best Draw-To-X variant in the game. The fundamental issue with a lot of terminal draw-to-x is that you need to either have nonterminal payload or multiple Villages per draw so you can dump some of that terminal payload between draws. Cursed Village sidesteps all of that, all with only the small cost of an on-gain Hex that is usually a non-issue. On many boards, itís really just Lost City with a higher ceiling, though less flexible on boards with limited trashing or better draw.
#30 Seer (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 71.6% / Unweighted Average: 65.9% (37) / Median: 76.2% / Standard Deviation: 25.4%

Chris is me: Seer is a very interesting card, that is quite high variance - both in performance and in playersí opinions of it. Seerís unique ability to draw cards in that $2-$4 category of weaker engine components makes a lot of cards more viable than they otherwise would be. Seer usually requires the board to cater to it a little bit, but if conditions are right it is a fierce drawing card. Plus it makes Silver gainers really good.
#29 ▼3 Apprentice (Alchemy) Weighted Average: 71.9% ▼0.6pp / Unweighted Average: 67.3% (33) / Median: 70.4% ▼1.4pp / Standard Deviation: 19.9%

tracer: Apprentice slides down a few slots and could probably stand to slide down a few more. As an early game trasher it is fairly slow and expensive with a weak benefit so compares unfavorably to other trashers. Apprentice is also difficult to use as draw later in the game as more expensive cards are often good enough that you donít want to trash them and they are hard to gain back.
#28 ▲1 Royal Carriage (Adventures) Weighted Average: 72.1% ▲2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 68.5% (29) / Median: 70.6% ▼3.0pp / Standard Deviation: 19.5%

xyrix: Iím really not sure what this is doing here above Crown; usually Iíd rather have a plain $5 Throne Room than a Royal Carriage. Not being able to play RC on RC is a crushing drawback, rendering all your RC-RC-Margrave hands sadly dead. OK you can save them between turns, which is occasionally useful, but then youíve bought a card that does nothing on half your turns.

tracer: I agree with having Royal Carriage above Crown. One of the major advantages of Royal Carriage is the ability to triple or quadruple actions given enough of them, which in decks that otherwise function is often better for both power and consistency.
#27 ▼7 Minion (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 72.4% ▼3.8pp / Unweighted Average: 74.0% (20) / Median: 78.6% ▼3.2pp / Standard Deviation: 22.1%

xyrix: Minion plays badly with conventional draw cards and doesnít handle green very well, but at the end of the day it says +1 Action something something +4 Cards on it. Thatís pretty good. Also the attack is decently strong and can offer a potent psychological edge.

Chris is me: In general, Minion has been getting weaker and more awkward with time, but in the advent of Villagers things might start to turn around a little for this card, as itís that much easier to sneak in some other Action plays.
#26 ▼1 Wild Hunt (Empires) Weighted Average: 72.9% ▼1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 70.4% (26) / Median: 72.2% ▼6.0pp / Standard Deviation: 15.9%

tracer: Wild Hunt remains one of the higher terminal draw cards on this list. Playing like a beneficial version of Torturer, stringing Wild Hunts together allows you to get points from the normal run of an engine, but when played in singles is fairly unimpressive.

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