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Tournaments and Events / Dominion World Cup 2020: Sign-Ups Close Tomorrow!
« on: November 05, 2019, 11:03:46 am »
Hi Everyone!  We are excited to once again be holding the Dominion World Cup. 

You can find the form to sign up for the 2020 Dominion World Cup here:  https://forms.gle/9zAfCv3Yzcjbq6ZC8

You will need to include your dominion.games username and the country you will be representing.  You can choose either your country of birth or your country of residence / citizenship.  In order to participate in the tournament, you will need to play one match a week from January 22 for up to 6 weeks afterwards.

You will also need a Discord ID; the Dominion World Cup has its own Discord server, which will be the tournament hub for match announcements, channels exclusive to each team, and any and all World Cup discussion.  Once you’ve signed up, one of the World Cup organizers / moderators will give you your team role so you can be added to your team channel (this might not happen right away).

Sign-Up Deadline:  January 3 0000 UTC

World Cup Discord invite:   World Cup Discord
Dominion Discord invite (for all other things Dominion):   Dominion Discord

To view the tournament rules:  World Cup Rules

Teams are made up of four or more players (plus alternates if they are available).  If a country does not have four or more players, there may be opportunities for players to form a team from another country who is short players, if there is space in the tournament for more teams.  Likewise, a country with 8 or more sign-ups may be eligible to form a second team, if there is space in the tournament for more teams. 

You can look at the current sign-ups / teams here:   Current Sign-Ups

New: Thanks to an anonymous sponsor, members of the winning team of the World Cup this year will receive a T-shirt reading "2020 Dominion World Cup Champions"! This could include their team flag and their team members' names.  For larger teams, t-shirts may be limited to 6 players, depending on costs.

Thanks, and have fun!

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Please announce your matches (and/or streams if you are planning to do one) here.  Don't forget to turn spectator chat off (if you're not sure how this works, you can ask your moderator). 

Thanks and have fun! 

Thanks to RTT of Germany for putting together a schedule of announced matches so far.  We will add to this as matches are announced, and feel free to add your own (but please also still post a response to this thread so that your match isn't missed). 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1etBs7wOn9C2zPJtvZ8Q0BO5x4y1GgGs7KqYH1wXtUTw/edit?usp=sharing

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Please post your results in this thread
*->Match was not completed because it would not affect the final outcome

1st Place:    United States
2nd Place Germany
3rd Place:    Refugee B


Moderators

Finals -> therem.harth and ceviri

Consolation Finals -> aku chi and tracer


Finals and Consolation Finals
March 7 - March 18

World Cup Finals                                                

Germany - United States 2:3, 14:15                                       
RTT - Dan Brooks 2:4
Sicomatic - perrygreen 2:4
E.Honda - Mic Qsenoch 4:2
drsteelhammer - Bryan 4:2

Tiebreaker:  markus - Dan Brooks 2:3

Consolation Finals                                                

Refugee B - India 2:2; 12.5:8.5
gloures - Saaket 2:4
tufftaeh - jsh357 4:0*
Micha1980 - crymeariver 2:4
globetheater - yahas 4.5:0.5*





Semifinals
February 21 - March 4

Germany - Refugee B 3:1; 16:8                                                
RTT - gloures 3:3
Sicomatic - tufftaeh 3:3
markus - Micha1980 5:1
E. Honda - globetheater 5:1


USA - India 2.5:0.5; 12.5:5.5
Dan Brooks - Saaket 3:3
perrygreen - jsh357 3.5:0.5*
Limetime - crymeariver 4:2
Mic Qsenoch - yahas 2:0*





QuarterFinals
February 12 - February 18

A1 vs D2                                                

Germany - Netherlands 2:2; 12.5:10.5
RTT - Stef 2:4
Sicomatic - Philip 4:2
markus - Jan 2.5:3.5
E.Honda - Hugovj 4:1*


B1 vs C2                                                

USA -   UK 2.5:0.5; 10.5:7.5
PerryGreen - Rabid 3.5:2.5
Limetime - Gazbag 0:0*
Mic Qsenoch - LuciferousPeridot 3:3
Bryan - AlexJRStone 4:2

C1 vs B2                                                

Refugee B - Norway 3:1; 15:9
gloures - Jeebus 4:2
tufftaeh - Anders 2:4
Micha1980 - Turambar 5:1
globetheater - Oyvind 4:2


D1 vs A2                                                         

  France  India 2:2; 11.5:12.5
Marin - Saaket 2:4
gamesou - jsh357 3:3
bouchon - crymeariver 3:3
Emeric - yahas 3.5:2.5





Group Phase


Group A                                                                     

January 22 - January 28
Germany - India 4:0
RTT - Saaket 4:2
Sicomatic - jsh357 4:2
Markus - crymeariver 6:0
E.Honda - yahas 4:2

January 29 - February 4
Germany - Finland 4:0
RTT - Awaclus 4:2
Sicomatic - Eevee 5:1
Markus - Jean-Michel 6:0
E.Honda - Tarecky 6:0

February 5 - February 11
Finland - India 0.5:2.5
Awaclus - Saaket 0:0*
Eevee - jsh357 3:3
Jean-Michel - crymeariver 1.5:4.5
Tarecky - yahas 2.5:3.5

TeamMPGP
1. Germany8:039:9
2. India2.5:4.517:25
3. Finland0.5:5.510:32


Group B                                                                     

January 22 - January 28
USA -   Norway 4:0
PerryGreen - Jeebus 4:2
Mic Qsenoch - Anders 5:1
TitanDrake - Turambar 4:2
Bryan - Oyvind 6:0

January 29 - February 4
USA - Refugee A 3.5:0.5
Dan Brooks - Seprix 5:1
Limetime - La-Ya 4:2
Mic Qsenoch - Lekkit 5:1
Bryan - Chris is me 3:3

February 5 - February 11
Refugee A - Norway 1.5:2.5
Seprix - jeebus 3:3
La-Ya  - Anders 0:5*
lekkit - Turambar 2:4
Chris is me - Oyvind 4:2

TeamMPGP
1. USA7.5:0.536:12
2.   Norway2.5:5.519:28
3. Refugee A2.0:6.016:31



Group C                                                                     

January 22 - January 28
UK - Russia 3:1
Rabid - Burning Skull 2:4
Gazbag - LaLight 5:1
DG - ROGAVKA 3.5-2.5
LuciferousPeridot - muenstercheese 6:0

January 29 - February 4
UK - Refugee B 1.5:2.5
Rabid - gloures 1:5
Gazbag - tufftaeh 4:2
DG - Micha1980 2:4
LuciferousPeridot - globetheater 3:3

February 5 - February 11
Refugee B - Russia 2.5:1.5
gloures - Burning Skull 4:2
tufftaeh - LaLight 2:4
Micha1980 - ROGAVKA 3:3
globetheater - muenstercheese 6:0

TeamMPGP
1. Refugee B5.0:3.029:19
2. UK4.5:3.526.5:21.5
3. Russia2.5:5.516.5:31.5


Group D                                                                     

January 22 - January 28
France - Canada 2.5:1.5
Marin - markusin 1:5
gamesou - amoffett11 3:3
bouchon - xyrix 4:2
Emeric - shaila 5:1

January 29 - February 4
France - Netherlands 3.5:0.5
Marin - Stef 4:2
gamesou - Philip 3:3
bouchon - Jan 4:2
Emeric - Hugovj 5:1

February 5 - February 11
Netherlands - Canada 3.5:0.5
Stef - markusin 3:3
Philip - amoffett11 5:1
Jan - xyrix 5:1
Hugovj - shaila 6:0

TeamMPGP
1. France6.0:2.029:19
2. Netherlands4.0:4.027:21
3. Canada2.0:6.016:32




Group A
Germany [1]

RTT [64.51]
Sicomatic [64.37]
Markus [63.24]
E.Honda [60.88]
Subs: drsteelhammer [59.91]
assemble_me [55.68]
Dangerous Dave [54.9]
Finland [8]

Awaclus [59.40]
Eevee [57.52]
Jean-Michel [57.09]
Tarecky [51.09]

India [9] 

Saaket [60.98]
jsh357 [60.79]
crymeariver [54.55]
yahas [47.70]

Group B
United States [2] 

PerryGreen [62.39]
LimeTime [62.09]
Mic Qsenoch [61.81]
Bryan [61.27]
Subs: Dan Brooks [66.94]
TitanDrake [61.59]

Refugee Team A [7]

Seprix [60.22]
La-Ya [57.52]
Lekkit [56.89]
Chris is Me [53.97]
Subs: fiercelord [52.17]

Norway [10]

jeebus [61.45]
Anders [58.55]
Turambar [49.49]
Oyvind [43.69]

Group C
United Kingdom [3] 

Rabid [64.01]
Gazbag [62.41]
DG [57.11]
LuciferousPeridot [55.77]
Subs: AlexJRStone [52.04]

Refugee Team B [6]

Gloures [59.78]
tufftaeh [57.81]
Micha1980 [55.79]
globetheater [55.47]
Subs:  Joseph2302 [49.74]

Russia [11]

Burning Skull [62.66]
LaLight [56.59]
ROGAVKA [56.03]
muenstercheese [36.87]

Group D
France [4] 

Marin [61.68]
gamesou [58.43]
bouchon [56.53]
Emeric [55.61]

Netherlands [5]

Stef [63.76]
Philip [60.85]
Jan [57.83]
Hugovj [46.87]

Canada [12]

markusin [58.61]
amoffett11 [56.62]
xyrix [55.58]
shaila [40.98]
Subs:  vsiewnar [59.32]

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Tournaments and Events / Dominion World Cup 2018 Teams
« on: January 05, 2018, 09:09:13 pm »
Here are the teams for the World Cup.  The players names are followed by their rating for the tournament.  Team Captain's will be updated as we have them confirmed by the teams.  It's going to be a 12 team tournament:

Dominion World Cup 2018 - Teams

Team Canada                         Team Finland                           
      
markusin [58.61] (Team Captain)      Awaclus [59.40] (Team Captain)
amoffett11 [56.62]                            Eevee [57.52]   
xyrix   [55.58]                                 Jean-Michel [57.09]
shaila [40.98]                                 Tarecky [51.09]
vsiewnar [59.32] (alternate)


Team France                      Team Germany

Marin [61.68] (Team Captain)         RTT [64.51] (Team Captain)
gamesou [58.43]                           Sicomatic [64.37]
bouchon [56.53]                           Markus [63.24]
Emeric [55.61]                              E.Honda [60.88]
                                                   drsteelhammer [59.91] (alternate)
                                                   assemble_me [55.68] (alternate)
                                                   Dangerous Dave [54.9] (alternate)

Team India                            Team Netherlands

Saaket [60.98] (Team Captain)         Stef [63.76] (Team Captain)
jsh357 [60.79]                                 Philip [60.85]
crymeariver [54.55]                           Jan [57.83]
yahas [47.70]                                    Hugovj [46.87]

Team Norway                         Team Russia

jeebus [61.45] (Team Captain)            Burning Skull [62.66] (Team Captain)
Anders [58.55]                                 LaLight [56.59]
Turambar [49.49]                              ROGAVKA [56.03]
Oyvind [43.69]                                 MuensterCheese [36.87]

Team UK                                  Team USA

Rabid [64.01] (Team Captain)            PerryGreen [62.39] (Team Captain)
Gazbag [62.41]                                 LimeTime [62.09]
DG [57.11]                                       Mic Qsenoch [61.81]
LuciferousPeridot [55.77]                  Bryan [61.27]
AlexJRStone [52.04] (alternate)         Dan Brooks [66.94] (alternate)
                                                         TitanDrake [61.59] (alternate)
   
Refugee Team A                   Refugee Team B

Seprix [60.22] (Team Captain)         Gloures [59.78] (Team Captain)            
La-Ya [57.52]                                    tufftaeh [57.81]
Lekkit [56.89]                                 Micha1980 [55.79]
Chris is Me [53.97]                           globetheater [55.47]
fiercelord [52.17] (alternate)            Joseph2302 [49.74] (alternate)         



Additional refugee alternate if necessary:  Emil [59.23]


Because we only have 10 fully formed teams with 4 players, and not enough overall sign-ups to have a 16 team tournament, we are going to go with 12. 

However, there will be two other teams to bring the total to 12.  After some discussion and looking at the players we have left over, we decided the fairest way to give everyone an opportunity to play was to create two "Refugee" teams; two teams made up of the players who either were not selected for their country's team, or are in a country that did not find enough players. 

To create these two teams, we're going to take the 12 players with the highest ratings, and divide them 1,4,5,8,9,12 and 2,3,6,7,10,11; each team will have a Team Captain and two alternates.  Our original plan to find teams by some combination of locality and the highest ratings does not make sense given the players that we have, so this seemed like the best way to proceed. 


Refugee Players so far:  fiercelord (USA), Lekkit (Sweden), Joseph2302 (Albania), Seprix (USA), gloures (Brazil), Chris is Me (USA), Micha1980 (Germany), globetheater (Australia), tufftaeh (Germany), La-ya (USA), Emil (Denmark - alternate)

Moderators

aku chi (USA)
therem.harth (Turkey)
ceviri (Singapore)
tracer (USA)



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Tournaments and Events / Dominion World Cup 2018 Sign-Ups (sign-ups closed)
« on: November 21, 2017, 10:08:18 pm »
Sign up for the Dominion World Cup 2018 here.  Please include your dominion.games username and the country you will be representing.  You can choose either your country of origin or your country of residence.  In order to participate in the tournament, you will need to play one match a week from January 22 for up to 6 weeks afterwards. 

To view the tournament rules, see this thread:  http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17941.0

Sign-ups will be open until January 2 at 0000 UTC, at this point we will take your ShuffleIt ranking and begin to form the teams.  It is possible that players in a country without enough players, or players who do not make the top 4 players of their country, can be grouped into teams to give us an even number of teams (8, 12, or 16). 

Edit:  We will still be accepting last-minute sign-ups until Friday January 5th; The 10 teams with 4 players are full, but Denmark, Sweden, Japan, Albania, Austria, Australia, Turkey, and Brazil are still looking for players.  Or countries with no players could sign up, as their could be opportunities to combine countries together. 

If you would like to sign up as an alternate only, please indicate that in your sign-up. 

From time to time, I will update this thread with the current sign-ups organized by country and player rank, so that you can get an idea of how the tournament is coming together (if you're not currently in the top 4 of your country, there's still time to move up!). 

Thanks, and have fun!

EditA Gold subscription (with or without Nocturne) is required to enter the tournament.  . A Gold subscription is recommended, but is not required. 

Moderators:  If anyone is not signing up but is interested in moderating, you can send myself or Seprix a PM.  We are hoping to find at least 4 people (so everything is not falling on one or two people), from as many different countries as possible (to avoid bias).

Teams so far (and players levels in brackets):

USA:  Dan Brooks (66 alternate), Mic Qsenoch (62), perrygreen (61), Limetime (61), TitanDrake (60 alt), Seprix (59), La-Ya (58), Bryan (57), 0rpheon (56), Chris is Me (55), fiercelord (51), phazex (47)

Germany:  Sicomatic (63), RTT (63), Markus (63), drsteelhammer (62), E.Honda (60), Psyduck (57), tufftaeh (56), CoinFlip (56), Micha1980 (55), Dangerous Dave (51)

UK:  Rabid (62), Gazbag (58), DG (57), AlexJRStone (53), LuciferousPeridot(55)

France:  Marin (62), gamesou (60), bouchon (57), Emeric (57)

Russia:  Burning Skull (62), Lalight (57), Rogavka (57), muenstercheese (36)

Canada:  vsiewnar (59, alt), Markusin (58), amoffett11 (57), xyrix (56), shaila (40)

Finland:  Awaclus (61), Eevee (57), Jean-Michel (57), Tarecky (51)

Turkey:  therem.harth (56)

India:  Saaket (62), jsh357 (62), crymeariver (54), yahas (47)

Austria:  Souleater (46)

Australia:  Severian-666 (56), globetheater (55)

Denmark:  Emil (59)

Sweden:  Lekkit (58)

Norway:  Jeebus (61), Anders (59), Oyvind (43), Turambar (49)

Netherlands:  Stef (62), Philip (61), Jan (57), Hugovj (44)

Japan:  yudai214 (60)

Brazil:  Gloures (59), diedre91 (51, alternate), kennyleo (52)

Albania:  Joseph2302 (50)

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Tournaments and Events / Dominion World Cup 2018 Rules
« on: November 21, 2017, 10:06:34 pm »
Dominion World Cup 2018 Rules


Schedule


Sign - ups open:  Today! (November 22)
Sign ups close:  January 2
Forming of Teams:  January 2-22
Pool play:  Begins January 22
1 week per round (3 weeks, each team has one 'bye' in pool play)
1 week for quarter finals
1 week for semi-finals
1 week for finals

1. Teams:

1.1 When signups are closed, every player gets seeded based on the ShuffleIt leaderboard (the official online client of Dominion). 
1.2 By default, the highest seeded player of a country will be the team leader. If a nation agrees on having someone who is not their highest seeded player as their team leader, however, then they can do so. Once the team leader is chosen, he may select his or her team of 4 players in total (it is recommended that this be done using the leaderboard rankings, but other means such as a qualifying tournament are allowed).
1.3 Players who aren't part of the main team are alternates; they can be substituted for any of the other four players if they are unable to play in a week for any reason
1.4 Countries with less than 4 players aren't eligible.  It is possible that these players will be grouped into other teams based on location in the event that there are not enough teams
1.5 If the team is formed every player in the team gets also a seed within the team, also based on the ShuffleIt leaderboard, so the strongest player will be Player 1 and so on.
1.6 Each player may only sign up with one account; no “alternate” accounts can be entered
1.7 New:  Each player who signs up must have a Gold subscription for their matches in the tournament.  A Gold Subscription is recommended, but not required.

2. Tournament Structure:

2.1 Seeding the group

2.1.1 The goal is to reach 16 countries which will get seeded in 4 groups with 4 teams.
2.1.2 The average player rating on the Shuffle It Leaderboard will determine the seeds of each group.
2.1.3 If we only get 13-15 teams, secondary teams can be formed based on location. This will be also determined by average player ratings of the players who aren't already in a team yet.
2.1.4 If we have 12 teams, there will be 4 groups with 3 teams each. 
2.1.5 If we have 8 teams, there will be 2 groups with 4 teams each.   
2.1.5 For 9-12 teams, secondary teams can also be formed to fill the gap; this could increase the total number of teams to 12 or 16 based on the number of sign-ups

2.2 Group phase

2.2.1 In each group every team play against every other team.
2.2.2 Each round lasts one week.
2.2.3 In a match every player plays a game against the player of the opposing country with the same seed, so player 1 of team A against player 1 of team B, and so on.

2.3 Match structure and points

 2.3.1 All matches are 2 Player Matches
2.3.2 Each match will involve exactly 6 games.
2.3.3 Every player will be first player in exactly 3 games.
2.3.4 Winning a game awards 1 game point; drawing a game awards 0.5 game points to both players. A player wins if he has more points after 6 games than his opponent. If both players have the same amount of points, it's a tie.
2.3.5 A win counts 1 match point for the team and a draw counts as 0.5 match point for each team.
2.3.6 Should a game end in a stalemate, the result is void and the game will be replayed. (It is not counted as a tie.)
A stalemate is a game state where both parties do not alter the gamestate for several turns and do not intend to in the foreseeable future.
If player's do not mutually agree that a stalemate has occurred, players shall continue play for at least 10 more turns. After 10 turns have been completed, the player that disputes that a stalemate has occurred must break the stalemate within five turns by gaining more cards from the supply than they return, or gaining more VP (or losing less) than their opponent. At any point for the remainder of the game, if the disputing player is unable to gain more cards than they return, or gain more VP than their opponent over any 5 turn period, the game is declared a stalemate, and the game must be replayed.

2.4 Playoffs

2.4.1 After each team has played against each other team from the same group, the group phase is over.
2.4.2 From each group, the top two teams from each group will advance to the playoffs.  The top two teams are the teams with the most match points. 
2.4.3 In case of a tie, the difference between the sum of all game points and the sum of all opposing teams' game points count as tiebreaker.
2.4.4 If there's still a tie, the team captain will choose one player (including himself) to play a best of three match.  Each player will start one game, if a third game is necessary the first player will be determined randomly.  If this game is a tie according to the Dominion rules, the second player in that game wins the match. 
2.4.5 The playoffs have the same rules except there are no ties.
2.4.6 In case of a tie, the team with more game points advances.
2.4.7 Is this still a tie, the team captain will choose one player (including himself) to play a best of five match.  Each player will start two games, if a fifth game is necessary the first player will be determined randomly.  If this game is a tie according to the Dominion rules, the second player in that game wins the match. 
2.4.8a For an 8 team tournament, the winner of group A will play against the runner-up from group B, the winner of group B will play against the runner-up of group A.
2.4.8b For a 12 or 16 team tournament, the four group winners (A1, B1, C1, and D1) will face the four group runner-ups (A2, B2, C2, and D2) in the quarterfinals.  A1 plays D2, B1 plays C2, C1 plays B2, and D1 plays A2. 
2.4.8c In the semi-finals, the winner of A1/D2 will face the winner of C1/B2, and the winner of B1/C2 will face D1/A2. 
2.4.8d Both winning teams advance to the finals which has the same rules as the semi-finals.
2.4.9d NEW The losing teams will play a consolation match with the same rules as the semi-finals, to determine 3rd place



3. Organizing Matches

3.1 Each match lasts one week, from Monday to Sunday.
3.2 Paired opponents have to schedule their match in this time frame. If a player has no time to play in this week, he must inform the team leader and the moderator of that match via PM in advance. The team leader has to determine a replacement and inform the moderator about it. If a team can't find a replacement it counts as loss for this team. If both players have time, but still can't find a schedule to play it counts as a 0-0 draw. 


4. Environment

4.1 The default is playing on the Shuffle iT platform (dominion.games), with the point counter enabled, on fully random sets including all expansions (including Nocturne). 
4.2 The default match configuration may be changed by mutual agreement between both players. (e.g. disable point counter, always include/exclude some cards, etc.).
4.3 Playing rated games is recommended for documentation purposes. If you do not, please write down the exact game numbers for each game (found in the chat box at the start of each game).
4.4 In accordance with both the Dominion rules and the Shuffle It terms of service, “deck-trackers” are not allowed.  Because this can
be difficult to impossible to enforce, we are relying on the honesty of all participants to follow this rule.  If you are planning on using a deck-tracker, please do not sign up for the tournament.  If you are unsure if what you’re using/doing is allowed or not allowed, please ask a tournament moderator before signing up or before your match begins. 

5. Spectating/Streaming

5.1 Make sure the table setting "Players can see spectator chat" is not enabled. This setting is found under the "Advanced Options" when setting up your table.
5.2 Even though this is a team tournament, players are expected to play their matches on their own, without coaching or advice from their teammates or from any outside parties.  Coaching or communication before matches or in between games (provided it does not delay the match) is OK. 



6. Undoing

6.1 Granting any undo requests is at the discretion of each player.
6.2 In the spirit of friendliness, we encourage (but do not require) players to grant undo requests for choices that do not provide new information.
6.3 Players may come to a different agreement before the match.

7. Handling Disconnects

7.1 If you disconnect during a game, use the reconnect feature. If your opponent is disconnected, do not make use of the "make resign" feature. This will not be counted as winning the game.
7.2 If the disconnect takes an extended amount of time, write down the game number and reload the game (latest decision) at a later date.
7.3 Instructions for using the reload game feature can be found at https://imgur.com/a/tazJ8
7.4 If reloading the game fails, complete the remaining games of the match first. If no player has reached 3.5 points after completing the remaining games, contact the tournament moderators about the lost game.

8.Sportsmanlike Conduct

8.1 As in every other game on the platform, sportsmanlike conduct is expected. Verbal abuse or slowplaying (not to be confused with taking time to think) may lead to a disqualification.
8.2 Keep in mind that in a competitive situation such as this tournament, players take a long time to consider a play. Do not make use of the "make resign" feature if your opponent is thinking.
8.3 If you are unsure of why your opponent is taking a long time to make a play, you should ask them to explain the situation.
8.4 Be respectful of your opponent’s time. You should make an effort to focus on the game and play at a reasonable speed. Inform your opponent if you are considering a complex play that may take a long time to decide on.
8.5 If you feel your opponent is breaking the rules of conduct, you may suspend the match and contact a tournament moderator.
8.6 For any conflicts not covered under these rules, please contact the tournament moderators, who will have the final say on the issue.

9. Moderators

9.1 Each match will have a moderator assigned.  The moderator will be chosen so that they are not a member of either country (or any of the countries if one of the teams is made up of multiple countries). 
9.2 If one player does not communicate and fails to schedule a match, the moderator can award a 6-0 victory against that player.  If both players are in communication but a match can not be scheduled on time, there can be some extension given, but if a match is still not played in a reasonable amount of time it can be ruled a 0-0 draw. 






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Rules Questions / Throne Room and Feast vs. Throne Room and MadMan
« on: April 13, 2016, 03:13:10 pm »
Yesterday on the online client, I decided to Throne Room my MadMan to get a very large hand.  I didn't notice that it didn't quite work, so I did it again.   Once I noticed that I couldn't Throne my Madman, I figured it was because it was being returned to the supply.  You play the throne room, you play the Madman, and *woosh* it's back in the supply and beyond my grasping fingers.  But then I thought about Feast.  How is it I can throne Feast and get two cards?  Is the difference between the two the "if you do..."  clause?

I realize that I've probably answered my own question, but it's something I never considered before.  I'm finding lately that I've been playing with cards online for awhile and I'm taking for granted exactly what the wording is on some of them and how that is affecting different combos.  Given the power of MadMan, I imagine that is why that clause is there in the first place, so that it can't be throned. 

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Dominion General Discussion / Today I Learned...
« on: March 23, 2016, 03:23:09 pm »
Develop doesn't just trash a card and gain you two cards, one costing one extra and one costing one less, but it also topdecks the two cards

A little perspective:  I don't own Hinterlands IRL, but I do have the online cards and have played some 783 online games, not including playing through the Hinterlands campaign.  Several of those games have obviously had Develop in them, and I buy it all the time, I like the card.  Somehow though, I had no idea it topdecked the cards.  And I've somehow never noticed "hey, why did I already draw my new Silver, I wasn't close to a reshuffle...".  This has just blown my mind. 


Anybody else have any stories of playing cards wrong for a long time, or not realizing the extra effects that some cards might have?  Having never actually playing Develop IRL, I've never actually played it incorrectly, I just never realized the cards were appearing on top of my deck. 

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Rules Questions / Soothsayer and Reaction Cards
« on: March 16, 2016, 03:01:03 pm »
Short version:  Can you reveal a Reaction Card you draw after being attacked by Soothsayer?

Long version:  I encountered situation playing an IRL game yesterday, I would play a Soothsayer, my opponent would take his curse and draw his card, and would draw Horse Traders.  He asked if he could then reveal the Horse Traders, and I wasn't sure.  We went with not revealing the Horse Traders. 

Thinking about it now, I don't see how you could reveal a reaction card.  What if you draw Moat?  It's not like it can prevent an attack, you've already taken your curse and you've already drawn a card; it's a bit of a Catch-22.  Horse Traders is a situation though where if you can get away with this, you definitely want to for that +1 card next turn, so I said I would check. 

I apologize if this has been asked and answered before, I looked through the forums a bit and couldn't find anything.  I know for example that you reveal reaction cards you draw with a revealed Secret Chamber, but I think that's a different situation.

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