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Forum Games / Re: ZM24 - Hangman Mafia, Round 2
« on: March 30, 2023, 12:30:06 am »
Semi-blitz as planned sounds good. Full blitz might be too tough for me to do. Long days work fine though if needed.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 23, 2023, 10:43:57 pm »who wants to play a light RMM? I will get one up like in a day or two if someone promises to run one after me so I can actually play
Is the time that your "day or two" represents proportional to the "second" that it took for you to make speccy/scumchat public? Do you want someone else to run a game first?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 21, 2023, 12:29:01 am »who wants to play a light RMM? I will get one up like in a day or two if someone promises to run one after me so I can actually play
Oh I'm sure I'd play again if something was posted.
I have a setup I started planning a while ago. I'd have to go check if I still think it's good... but rather than "light RMM", it's very heavy on the "madness". It would likely be good to have a co-host, both in case I get too busy and to bounce ideas off before starting the game.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 20, 2023, 07:07:31 pm »I was sure someone was going to come hammer. Well, it would be a very traitor-like move to show up "just a little late".
The game did just get interesting.
If you are casting shade on me, quit it. It literally took me 2 hours in traffic to get home today and I am flattened enough by all that crap to take more of it now.
Guess I should have pressed Didds just a little more!
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 10:34:48 pm »I’d be happy to hammer math.
Then what are you waiting for? It's not like there's a PR left in the game for him to fakeclaim.
Oh yes. I should claim.
I'm a vanilla townie.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 07:34:04 pm »
In a game with pretty much no concrete info, we've got a long way to find a win. If you hammer me, it's EX-LO tomorrow.
I get it... you want closure on this. But by focusing on it for so many days, I think we've missed out on getting other info. But you'll find you either got played by scum or were just flat out wrong.
I get it... you want closure on this. But by focusing on it for so many days, I think we've missed out on getting other info. But you'll find you either got played by scum or were just flat out wrong.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 03:00:49 pm »
I don't get the feeling that it's both of you. But I could be wrong about that.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 03:57:38 am »
I still don't have a good read on anyone this game. Those who seem the most scummy to me are ones I almost always find scummy, often just based on their posting style. But since it looks like there's no chance of me surviving, I might as well offer what final thoughts I have, to see if they may be of any help tomorrow to try and find at least 1 scum this game.
Right now, I feel like scum is one of MiX and Awaclus, then one of gk and joth. I don't have anything concrete to back up this guess... it's just a gut feel.
Scum-to-chum list:
Awaclus
MiX
joth
gk
scola
WCD
I really don't think there's anything the last two have done that is overly townie. They just haven't done as much that I see as scummy.
Right now, I feel like scum is one of MiX and Awaclus, then one of gk and joth. I don't have anything concrete to back up this guess... it's just a gut feel.
Scum-to-chum list:
Awaclus
MiX
joth
gk
scola
WCD
I really don't think there's anything the last two have done that is overly townie. They just haven't done as much that I see as scummy.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 03:49:25 am »
MiX, why Scola over Math? I’m ready to vote for Math, but I want to make sure I’m not missing anything.
Because I think they're both scum. Honestly it doesn't matter for me, I just think that if scola flips scum then mathdude's more likely to be scum than the other way around, so voting scola first technically helps flip both.
How realistic do you think it is we'll exile someone other than math tomorrow if scola flips town?
Already hedging tomorrow's vote? That's a scummy thing to do.
So either you're town, and giving scum extra info during the day now (directly contrary to your whole argument at start-of-day) to let them make a more informed choice of night kill... or you are scum, knowing you're possibly setting up for killing 2 towns in a row to win the game.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 03:45:00 am »Even with my lack of activity, I would never miss a NK as scum in a vanilla game.
That's all fine for you to say. But if you do actually forget about the game for 2 days because you're busy, then you might still miss a NK.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 03:42:19 am »Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
I am pretty sure that rereading almost anyone would point to you. Not sure if it is a great argument.
I haven't gone back to look specifically. But it does kind of feel like you're right here, for this game. I guess my argument holds less water here then.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 12, 2023, 03:39:42 am »Good point. I suppose if I'm confident in my world I should test it instead of trying to win more.
Vote: math, X-2 by the way.
How do you do math? That's X-1. Are you trying to get someone to accidentally hammer, with them thinking they're only putting it to X-1?
... I'm going back now to respond to a couple other posts, then I'll list my scum-to-chum
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 11:36:00 am »I know why no one died night 2. But if LaLight was modkilled that means no one died night 3 also. And there's no reasonable explanation for that.
The reasonable explanation is that nobody is claiming LaLight was modkilled.
Good - we can agree on some things. I don't see any indication that LL was mod-killed either.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 11:35:23 am »How about we stop thinking about how Swowl never makes everything clear and start thinking in the correct world...
Mathdude. A readlist? Please? Anything.
As I said, it makes more sense to wait until closer to the deadline. Can you give me an argument otherwise?
Theory is cool how about you make a scum to chum list so we can look at it after we exile you.
My list alone will probably be pretty useless. I admit I have very weak reads this game. On top of that, I know I will have a slightly biased scum-read towards those who target me the most (I always do).
I assume it would be better to do this closer to the deadline, rather than this early in the day. Let's let gk and joth actually contribute to this day - otherwise their places in the list will be quite meaningless (if they were even put in the list). But if I am up for exile, I trust someone would post an intent-to-hammer, and give time for me to post such a list, rather than a quick-hammer (which would be very scummy).
Did you read that and ignore it? Do you just post without reading responses directly to your posts/requests?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 10:04:04 am »If we give scum info, there are two possible ways for it to go:
- either it benefits scum more than it benefits us, in which case scum uses the info
- or it doesn't, in which case scum ignores the info and nothing changes
It's literally not possible for town to ever get any benefit out of giving scum more info, unless it's a game with a third party, in which case it's at least theoretically possible for it to be mutually beneficial for town and scum. In a two-party game, the best case scenario is that nothing changes.
Not only is an odd number favorable to town, we get to make the decision with more info, since we now have the info that LaLight was town and got NK'd. Town having more info is strictly beneficial for town (just like scum having more info is strictly beneficial for scum). In any future vanilla game with an even number of players alive, there should be a no exile ASAP.
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. You're treating information like single points of data that don't change over time. What might benefit scum at one moment (depending on what they do with the info) may benefit town more later, and scum won't be aware of that because they don't know how others will act in the future.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 10:01:39 am »Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.
I’m also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if it’s purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today
So you think scum no-killed? Why would they do that?
I have assumed until this point that scum killed LL. But looking back, it doesn't actually say that. We do need mod confirmation.
I think the most likely explanation if LL was mod-killed is that scum missed the kill due to inactivity. Joth and gk? Or maybe there wasn't even a recruitment the night before? Just gk as SM?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 10, 2023, 09:59:11 am »Well, after a reread of LL, I don't see a whole lot there. He basically re-read Joseph, said it seems to point to me, and had stuck with voting for me ever since. He expressed suspicion of Awaclus "before he did the reread". He then also voted EFHW to make sure we got an exile and he posted when the thread was locked.
If I was scum (SM), I just couldn't justify to myself to take out someone who points so directly at me. And if I was traitor (I believe his death was before recruitment, right?) - I would hope/assume the SM would be smart enough to bus me for town-cred than to try and recruit me and waste a kill. But I'm neither of those. So either someone else had a different reason to kill LL (maybe he was one of the more town-read?)... or maybe someone realized it would be pretty easy to use a reread of LL to point to exiling me next.
I fully believe he LL got axed because he posted in the thread. It seems to me like that was something only town would do. No reread of him necessary.
I’m also not sure how your time line is messed up. It makes me wonder if it’s purposeful or just too hard to keep all of the (your) whacking and recruiting straight.
D1 no exile
N1 Joseph whacked
D2 EFHW exiled
N2 no nk (presumably traitor recruited)
D3 no exile to get to an odd number
N3 LL whacked
D4 is today
You're right... I did get the order mixed up. So for the LL kill (for now, assuming it was scum-killed), there was presumably a team deciding on that kill. Anyone who has played scum with me before would know I wouldn't kill someone who was gunning for me like that. I'd try to kill someone that would point elsewhere.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:31:21 pm »Theory is cool how about you make a scum to chum list so we can look at it after we exile you.
My list alone will probably be pretty useless. I admit I have very weak reads this game. On top of that, I know I will have a slightly biased scum-read towards those who target me the most (I always do).
I assume it would be better to do this closer to the deadline, rather than this early in the day. Let's let gk and joth actually contribute to this day - otherwise their places in the list will be quite meaningless (if they were even put in the list). But if I am up for exile, I trust someone would post an intent-to-hammer, and give time for me to post such a list, rather than a quick-hammer (which would be very scummy).
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:26:56 pm »You can reread mathdude and vote him, that would be nice. Alternatively you can read Awaclus and see if he's town or scum. I think that's the two main questions this game.
There... now you and others have more to "reread". I've finally posted a few thoughts.
Alternatively you can read Awaclus and see if he's town or scum.
I just re-read his role QT and came to the conclusion that he's town.
You sure are clever. If only we could take your word on this.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:25:01 pm »I’m feeling kind of stymied by the lack of anything from anyone.
Swowl, if they haven’t checked in when you do a VC, will you please prod Joth and gkrieg?
I think we all have been stymied by this. And yesterday's quick end didn't help, as I've just explained. It cut off any discussions that could have happened.
Also I am townlocking Didds for that post. If you have a problem, please present me a bad Didds post.
That post is enough to townlock Didds for you? Wow, you're easy to convince! Didds posted something that we were all thinking, and was just the first to put it into words.
However, that still doesn't mean I can present you with a "bad Didds post".
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:20:03 pm »My thinking is that the odd number benefits town, and it eliminates the risk of a missexile. I recognize that we could have possibly eliminated a baddie, but we’d have needed five to exile and with two baddies that doesn’t seem likely. I can see why scum would be anti-no exile but I’m not sure why town would be.
In a purely vanilla game, the numbers did definitely agree with a "no exile". But whether it should have happened yesterday or today, I'm now starting to question the idea.
Yesterday would have been harder to exile a scum. We would have needed 5 of 8 votes... which is 5 of the 6 townies. Today, we need 4 of 7 votes (which is 4 of 5 townies). We still need all town except one... but we (each individual townie) needs to get 3 others to agree with us in voting today, where yesterday we needed 4 others to agree. So by this perspective, getting back to an odd number quickly does seem helpful.
But what if we had prolonged the day yesterday, rather than cutting it short? And what if we actually did try to get an exile off yesterday, rather than jumping straight to "no exile"? Bounce ideas back and forth. Try a wagon or two. See where people are voting. See if some people are eager to jump on any wagon or hesitant. And if we didn't get anywhere, then near the actual end of day, we could swing back to "no exile". Then today, we would have all kinds more information to analyze. But we're still sticking (at least mildly, at the moment) to the initial D1 thoughts of "let's vote out mathdude".
All this being said, I don't think any of this points back to yesterday to say a "quick-hammer" of no exile is scummy. I think it was general consensus that we want to get back to an odd number of players in a vanilla game. (In hind sight now, and especially for any future vanilla games, I think this is definitely something to consider though - don't just quickly go "no exile"!)
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:12:32 pm »I think in a vanilla game like we are now, it could've helped town as well.
There is literally not even a hypothetical way in which it could have helped town without scum letting it happen.
Prolonging yesterday's discussions could have helped town. I agree, it also could have helped scum. But I think you're completely wrong in saying there was no way it could have helped town.
Consider one case - what if we all posted a scum-to-chum list? Yes, scum would then have all that info and might make a better night choice. But then their night choice becomes WIFOM, depending on whether they kill a strong town-read, or someone who's tunneling one of them, or someone who's tunneling a townie to frame them, or something else. But on the other hand, we would know exactly what LL's scum-to-chum list is today. We would even be able to compare yesterday's lists to how any of them might change today.
Now I'm not saying that giving those lists would have been a good choice yesterday. I'm just saying that putting information into public has the ability to help town, even if it may help scum in some way as well.
Are you just being stubborn Awaclus? Or are you intentionally trying to direct this game in a way that best benefits you and your scum-buddy?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:07:53 pm »Are you trying to get the "easy kill" on me, so you can move on to Ex-LO tomorrow?
No, it's just that the case I made against an EFHW/you team was a good case and a lot of it still applies to you with someone else being the SM, and now that it's just a vanilla game, there's no benefit to trying to get your partner exiled before you. Unless you have any convincing arguments why you aren't scum instead of just throwing accusations at everyone who votes for you.
I have no convincing arguments for why I am NOT scum. I know just as little in this game as basically everyone else. I have thrown out some thoughts and some votes. I have poked and prodded. And I have admitted that I have no idea who to target in this game. I'm terrible at vanilla games because I can't read any of you at all.
So if that makes me scummy, then vote me out. Then the record can finally show you that your tunneling is wrong.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M139 - Godfather Mafia - DAY 1
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:04:33 pm »Anyway, on a more serious note, having reread LaLight, vote: math seems sensible.
This seems very opportunistic, given my previous post. Would scum be so bold as to immediately throw this on the table? Ordinarily, I expect scum would wait for someone else to raise the issue, then they would support it. But I think Awaclus believes he's sufficiently out-of-the-radar (and also just bold enough anyway) that he could get away with this start-of-day prompt even if he is scum.