Definitely sounds like you're not "rotating" the split piles. https://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/RotateOh we rotate. But one player only uses Big Money strategy and never rotates if they even buy the first card. Me and the other two use the strategy best suited for that game. Maybe we just need more time with Allies.
This answer is actually in the rulebook (which is on the RGG website): "Taskmaster does not count cards gained before playing it."
But in any case, this is supported by the straight reading of the card. Cards like Livery, Galleria and Guildmaster don't give you anything for cards gained earlier in the turn.
Well, sure, but the confusion here is more about timing of effects. After all, I don't think it is intuitive that if gaining a $5 causes you to play Taskmaster (like with Haggler and Rush), then it will count.
Similarly with Livery, I think it is not intuitive that if you gain a Livery and play it with Innovation, you do get a Horse from Livery's effect.
This is a significant buff that might make them too strong. Also bottleneck issues. Kingdom with no thrashers, Alice gains the two Goats, game over.
Having now played several games involving loot, my take is loot is just like Black Market. It's luck of the draw. If you get the better ones, it is to your advantage. If you get the lesser ones, it is to your disadvantage. Totally random. Not my favorite way to determine the outcome of a game. I have gotten spanked in games where we both had loots, but my opponent had the better ones.Indeed. An early Chalice or Goat is often game deciding. One or two Loots in a row without an extra Buy can be an auto-loss.
It takes away strategy and turns a game into luck of the draw.
The Loot gainers are well done and interesting, Loot itself is not.
What really weirds me out is the choice of descriptions for Trait cards. Particularly that the name of the card is always used to refer to the pile (instead of something "this pile"). This in particular leads to a confusing card text for Cheap.
It’s already messed me up a couple of posts ago when I went to say “a cheap card” and then realized that that now has a specific rules meaning in Dominion, so I had to change it to “a low-cost card”.
I'm surprised that Cheap exists: If most kingdom cards are designed to be as cheap as possible without breaking things, making a card still cheaper unconditionally should be problematic. Especially when it turns a strong $5 card like Witch into a $4...
Seems a bit like Chapel... a card far too good for its cost that breaks the normal rules of things. It may be broken if it were automatically in every game, but instead it just means that games that have it play out differently than normal games of Dominion.
Hmm. Goatherd: "+1 Card per card the player to your right trashed on their last turn"
What if they trash the same card twice? What if you can't tell?
Rules book is online :
http://riograndegames.com/Game/1350-Dominion-Menagerie
Artwork quibble: very few cardinals would have had a full beard in mediaeval times. Not many do, even now. It's not actually disallowed, it's just that they want to avoid looking Orthodox/Coptic.
Given that a cardinal is a bird and that the expansion is about animals, did you intend this card to depict a bird but the artitst went his/her own way?Given the fact that religious cards are always trashing based, and Exile is similar to trashing, this is unlikely. Plus, Cardinal doesn't really sound like an attack.
Thank you
If you choose not to play the Action/Treasure that Gamble reveals, it just returns to the top of the deck, right?
Here is an infinite loop:
+1 Card on King's Court
+1 Buy on Lurker
a Watchtower in hand
a King's Court, a Lurker and a Mandarin in Trash
2 Platinums in play
buy Gamble to play King's Court (Draw a Lurker via +1 Card token)
play this Lurker three times, gain Lurker (top), King's Court (top), Mandarin (trash)
gaining Mandarin topdecks 2 Platinums
buy Gamble twice to play them
buy Bonfire to trash a King's Court and a Lurker
Here we gain 10$ and 3 Buys by spending 9$ and 1 Buy. The board is now identical to the begging. That is an infinite loop.
Nice loop.
That being said, infinite loops already exist without this card. It's not even worth paying attention to the existence of a loop if it requires more than 5 specific cards (it's almost never going to come up). This requires at least 6 specific cards (don't forget the bonus tokens requires peasant). It's possible, but this is not something that going to come up realistically in gamble games.
Here is an infinite loop:
+1 Card on King's Court
+1 Buy on Lurker
a Watchtower in hand
a King's Court, a Lurker and a Mandarin in Trash
2 Platinums in play
buy Gamble to play King's Court (Draw a Lurker via +1 Card token)
play this Lurker three times, gain Lurker (top), King's Court (top), Mandarin (trash)
gaining Mandarin topdecks 2 Platinums
buy Gamble twice to play them
buy Bonfire to trash a King's Court and a Lurker
Here we gain 10$ and 3 Buys by spending 9$ and 1 Buy. The board is now identical to the begging. That is an infinite loop.
After you’ve bought the Bonfire, how do you restart the loop?
Well, you buy Gamble and so on
Here is an infinite loop:
+1 Card on King's Court
+1 Buy on Lurker
a Watchtower in hand
a King's Court, a Lurker and a Mandarin in Trash
2 Platinums in play
buy Gamble to play King's Court (Draw a Lurker via +1 Card token)
play this Lurker three times, gain Lurker (top), King's Court (top), Mandarin (trash)
gaining Mandarin topdecks 2 Platinums
buy Gamble twice to play them
buy Bonfire to trash a King's Court and a Lurker
Here we gain 10$ and 3 Buys by spending 9$ and 1 Buy. The board is now identical to the begging. That is an infinite loop.
Bonus Preview 5: Gamble
Here's another Event. They travel in pairs.
Sometimes, it's really a gamble. Sometimes you know what card is next. Sometimes you even just bought it.
another card contributing to infinite loops, huh
awesome
How would it make for an infinite loop? You're either playing the card or discarding it, either way, the top card is different the next time you play it
yeah, but a lot of infinite loops on this site that i have seen used topdeciing and then drawing and playing all the same cards and now it is easier
Swindler would interact really weirdly with Wayfarer's cost, especially in multiplayer. Since its cost is defined by the most recently-gained card, you could have a situation where, for example, player A plays Swindler. Player B trashes a copper and receives a curse. Player C trashes a Wayfarer. Since the most recently-gained card is the curse that B received, then C would also receive a curse
The Locusts hex would have a similar interaction, except it would amount to "an Action card costing less than whatever the previous person's gained card cost"
But in some situations, Locusts could actually cause you to get an expensive card. For example, say that I'd just bought a Province, and then I play Vampire, with Locusts being the hex. The person to my left trashes Wayfarer. Now they must get an Action card costing less than $8. Maybe King's Court is in the kingdom, so they're able to get a King's Court! But then also, if multiple people's trashed card is a Locust, then each one's card they gain instead will be cheaper than the previous person ... so if the first person got a $7 card, then the next person must get an action card costing no more than $6 and so on
I for one would be glad for an expansion of just landscapes. I certainly think there is potential for more Landmarks - you can make ordinarily unplayable cards a must-buy with one of those in the right circumstances.
I would also like to get even more Landmarks, but I think that an expansion of just landscapes (and other horizontal cards) would be a bad move businesswise. I may be wrong, but I suspect that a non-negligible part of potential buyers would think that they will could manage with just their own printouts for those cards, which probably isn't a big thing with cards that are in your deck.
It'd also be the first expansion that wasn't playable with just itself + a pack of base cards, and an unsound business decision in that respect.
One-at-a-time doesn't sound great to me because now the online version has to say what you discarded, and in real life, everyone can demand to see your discards, which takes more time and is only fair given the rules. Might as well skip the middleman and make all discard piles completely public at this point.
It's somewhat of a downer that online you don't get to pick the top card like in real life, but the interface hassle would be annoying. Maybe a toggled option to give the prompt each time would work, but it's a little heavy for something most people won't use. Like, I can lose fine either way, I don't see it making the difference for me.
The most common times this will bought will probably be when you are able to get the last province...if you're getting provinces as your main point source, the person who empties the last province(s) can now get 10 points for 10 coins instead of 6 points for 8 coins, since you don't mind the stop cards as much if you're trying to maximize points on your last 1-2 turns of the game. This will change the endgame math a bit. With 6 stop cards at once, I can't see you wanting to get this earlier over just Provinces unless you're playing something like a money deck with Palace, Gardens, etc.
