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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: 4 cards, pick your favorite
« on: April 11, 2019, 09:18:47 am »
Surveyor looks fun. I've no idea if it is balanced, but it might swing decisions about when to play engines vs money.

I feel that Forgery Fencing is weak enough that it doesn't need the punishment when you trash it.
It should combo well with one-shots (maybe even overpowered with Hireling or Tragic Hero?), but looks unwelcome otherwise.

If I play Publicist and no other player chooses to draw, then it gets discarded at the end of my current turn, right? So the other player(s) should virtually always choose to draw in order to get the 'while this is in play' benefit.

Jayemdae Tome seems way overpriced. I feel there's a joke here that I'm not getting...

If I'm picking my favourite... it might be Forgery Fencing. Should be fun when you find a situation where it's good.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Self-referential quiz
« on: April 11, 2019, 04:28:32 am »
It is mainly a more intricate version of the barber paradox, right? The possible solutions do not form a set under ZFC, therefore we cannot assign a cardinality.
Pretty much, yes. I am not familiar enough with ZF to say it myself, but that sounds plausible.
Deciding whether the answer to question 6 is zero or non-zero ends up being equivalent to answering "Is the answer to this question 'no'?" with a 'yes' or a 'no'.

When I devised the questions, my first aim was to find a set of questions 1-5 such that the correct answer to question 6 would be '0', unparadoxically.
I tried out this set of questions, and found it didn't meet that aim; '0' cannot be correct without leading to a paradox.
Then I found the 'solution' (2,6,10,9,4,1) and thought the process of finding it was interesting enough to set this quiz to my work colleagues. Anyway, life is only so long, and I didn't pursue my first aim further. So long as there weren't any other 'solutions' with a '1' at the end, then everything would be ok. Basically everything that faust got in his first reply.
It was a few days later, when I set out to prove the solution, that I came across 6-tuples similar to the ones ghostofmars found. (5,5,10,X,0,1) was the critical one which disproved my first solution attempt, and then we quickly see that nothing else works either.
So we're in paradox land.

However, in spite of the paradox, I think the stated aim is still valid:
The aim is to find a 6-tuple which maximises the number of correct answers.
The number of correct answers is maximised by any 6-tuple which answers Q1-Q5 correctly. I think.

Some ideas for developing this further if I (or anyone else) gets round to it:
- If Q4 is changed to exclude its own answer from the range, then I think (2,6,10,9,4,1) becomes valid. But that seems a clumsy thing to do in a quiz which is meant to be self-referential.
- With different Q1-Q5, there is probably an interesting quiz which has '0' as the correct answer to Q6, as per my original aim.
- With different Q1-Q5, it may be possible to end up with potential solutions (a): (a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,1); (b): (b1,b2,b3,b4,b5,2) and (c): (c1,c2,c3,c4,c5,2). In that case either (a) is correct, or (b) and (c) are correct. That seems similar to deciding how to answer "Is the answer to this question 'yes'?".
- Just leave off questions like Q6 and have fun with other sets of questions which refer to the answers.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Self-referential quiz
« on: April 09, 2019, 08:40:50 am »
It is probably time to come clean and say that I don't believe there is much more to this puzzle than what has already been said by faust and ghostofmars.

In a couple of days I'll post my own thoughts on the puzzle. And I'll be interested and open to your interpretations too.

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Forum Games / Re: Invitation to the Mafia Championship (season 6)
« on: April 09, 2019, 03:38:04 am »
Good luck silverspawn.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Self-referential quiz
« on: April 08, 2019, 07:59:54 am »
How do you deal with infinity in this puzzle?
Each answer must be a decimal integer, hence must be finite.
I think you're asking something a bit more than that, but I don't think I want to answer more than that at the moment!

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Self-referential quiz
« on: April 08, 2019, 06:45:34 am »
I assume the formulation of 2 is supposed to imply that there is no correct answer if 2 answers are tied for lowest?
Yes. If your 6-tuple of answers has two or more answers tied for lowest then your answer to question 2 is incorrect, whatever it is.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Self-referential quiz
« on: April 08, 2019, 05:09:44 am »
Here is a quiz a devised a couple of years ago.
I've seen enough references on this site to logic and paradoxes that I think this might go down well with some of you.

There are six questions. The tricky thing is that the questions are about your answers (or, in the case of question 6, about all possible 6-tuples of answers).

There may, or may not, be a way to answer all six questions correctly. The aim is to find a 6-tuple which maximises the number of correct answers.

Each answer must be a decimal integer (in simplest form).

Now for the questions:

1. How many times does the digit 1 occur in your answers?

2. Which question number has your (strictly) lowest answer?

3. What is double the median of your answers?

4. What is the range of your answers?

5. What is the result of subtracting your answer to Q1 from your answer to Q2?

6. How many ways are there of answering all six questions correctly?

Good luck.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 28, 2019, 09:48:39 am »
I'm leaving in a half hour, and just thought I would pop on here just in case anyone guessed it, because if so I didn't want to keep anyone waiting around for four days.
Thanks. I thought I'd missed the boat.

I wonder if it's time we took a break anyway from Zendo questions. Come back to it in a few months? What does anyone else think?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 28, 2019, 05:59:49 am »
And now your profile name makes sense!

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 28, 2019, 05:43:18 am »
Got it.
Guess: The question contains at least one word which is made up of symbols of chemical elements <=> Yes

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 28, 2019, 05:38:19 am »
Some likely 'yeses':
BE
EL
YE
TA

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 28, 2019, 05:11:14 am »
These letters and digraphs have been explicitly confirmed as 'yes':

B'C'F'H'I'K'N'O'P'S'U'V'W'Y
AG'AL'AM'AR'AT'GA'GE

These digraphs can be shown to be 'yes' assuming my earlier claims are correct:

AC
BA'CA'NA'NE'RA'TE

These letters and digraphs have been explicitly confirmed as not 'yes':

A D E G J L M Q R T X Z
AA AD AE AJ AQ AX AZ EG

These digraphs can be shown to be not 'yes' assuming my earlier claims are correct:

AB AH AN DA EE HA IM IT ME MM OM RD TC TR UM WE ZE

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 27, 2019, 03:55:45 pm »
Right, sothis
iswhat fits
sofar.
A question
isyes ifit
contains
atleast one
yesword.
A word isyes
ifitcan
be splitup
into "yes" strings.
"Yes" strings are one or two letters (possibly longer, but I haven't found any evidence for longer ones yet).
I'm compiling a listof "yes" strings, but don't have itin front ofme at the moment; I'll post it tomorrow.
Hopefully someone will be able to see some logic in the set of "yes" strings.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 27, 2019, 04:50:11 am »
RA T
RA'T
RA-T
RA,T
A'G
A-G
A,G
AGA

SYPHON
SHAMPOO
CARPAL
WATKINSON
TERAPHONONA

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 26, 2019, 09:33:13 am »
TAG
RAT
AXE
LEG
MAD
RAG
GEM
JET
GEL
ALE
ZED
QQQ

DATE
GATE
MEAL
MAZE
READ
TALL
JAZZ
TRAM
ZEAL

DREAM
GREAT
LLAMA
TAXED
ALERT

TARGET
MERGED
GARAGE

ZQXJMGD

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 26, 2019, 04:59:29 am »
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 26, 2019, 04:52:21 am »
So
Som
Some
Somet
Someth
Somethi
Somethin
Something

SomethingA
SomethingB
SomethingC
SomethingD
SomethingE
SomethingF
SomethingG
SomethingH
SomethingI
SomethingJ
SomethingK
SomethingL
SomethingM
SomethingN
SomethingO
SomethingP
SomethingQ
SomethingR
SomethingS
SomethingT
SomethingU
SomethingV
SomethingW
SomethingX
SomethingY
SomethingZ

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 25, 2019, 03:44:26 pm »
AJ
AL
AM
AQ
AR
AT
AX
AZ
A G
G something
something G
GA
EG
GE
AGG
A D E G J L M Q R T X Z
A D E G J K L M Q R T X Z

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 25, 2019, 01:38:16 pm »
A something
B something
C something
D something
E something
F something
something A
something B
something C
something D
something E
something F

A boo
B boo
C boo
D boo
E boo
F boo
boo A
boo B
boo C
boo D
boo E
boo F

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 25, 2019, 04:32:45 am »
AA
AD
AE
AG
RZ
TZ
XZ
ZZ

BB
BC
BF
BH
UY
VY
WY
YY

EGG
JAM
LAME
DAGGER
GRAMMAR

WHY
SPOON
WISH
WHISK
BUFFOON

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 23, 2019, 09:04:36 am »
a
h
n
ah
an
ha
hn
na
nh
abc
bca
cab
acb
cba
bac
Are we getting somewhere?
Are we getting something?
Something useful?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 22, 2019, 04:53:14 am »
ahn
han
hna
nha
nah
hhelibebcnofnena

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 21, 2019, 04:34:16 am »
Aren't these eliptic curvues the basis for some kind of abelian group which has better properties than Z_p with only have of its elements? That was mentioned in the class on cryptography I took the past semester but it didn't go into detail.
That sounds about right. Though I think the number of elements tends to be close to p, not half of p. The number of x-coordinates is close to half of p, but each valid x-coordinate occurs in two points of the curve.
I think it is cool that a seemingly innocuous sounding concept like 'scalar multiplication' of points on the curve leads to a cryptographically secure group. And you can visualise it all nicely on a graph (which doesn't look anything like an ellipse by the way). And you can casually throw in a 'point at infinity' which makes it all work. And... well after this rule I think everyone should go and find out about elliptic curve cryptography. :)

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 21, 2019, 04:05:09 am »
Just like the previous guess, this is only to rule something out:

Guess: If it contains the string "Elliptic Curve Cryptography", it is yes, otherwise no.
Correct. Your turn.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Zendo Questions 2
« on: March 20, 2019, 06:22:23 pm »
Elliptic Curve Cryptography i think i might be able to put anything lowercase in here but im not sure about that lets find out? Yes
and Elliptic maybe Curve in between Cryptography words? No
Elliptic maybe the Curve first word has to be Cryptography a capital? No
Dont you think Elliptic Curve Cryptographys cool cool? Yes
D'o'n't y'o'u t'h'i'n'k E'l'l'i'p't'i'c C'u'r'v'e C'r'y'p't'o'g'r'a'p'h'y's c'o'o'l c'o'o'l? No
E'l'l'i'p't'i'c C'u'r'v'e C'r'y'p't'o'g'r'a'p'h'y? No
Elliptic does punctuation Curve make a difference Cryptography? No

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