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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 29, 2020, 01:00:38 pm »
Welp, the long, long, long history of profound mistrust between me and Galz tanks another game!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 29, 2020, 10:20:17 am »
chairs counterclaim was interesting to me. One of those scum gambits I've often seen proposed but never seen used to good effect. I'd love to hear your though process on why you decided to do that, chairs.

Yes, the fake!claims were much more believable than the actual claims, since the actual claims had all sorts of issues of implausibility.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 29, 2020, 09:40:38 am »
Yikes. GG scum!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 09:06:02 pm »
Thereís obviously no scum hammer here because Galz is scum.

Thereís obviously no scum hammer because faust hasnít checked in.

I thought you said faust was confirmed town (though only to you for some reason!).

Based on my clearly misunderstood way RS works.

My argument for faust being basically IC was that if scum had stopped the Doctor N3, thereís no reason they wouldnít just kill the Doctor last night. And since that didnít happen, itís significantly more likely that they got through the Doctor kill by use of Strongman.

This argument has 2 problems;

1) Pointed out by faust: RS is not RB. Scum wouldíve stopped doctors from working on EFHW. This doesnít mean they know who the Doctor is.

2) Pointed out by Space: Scum likely can PR & kill with the same person.

Both of those points are valid. Neither of those are things I fuck up as scum here.

It probably occurred to you and you feigned getting it wrong.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 08:53:41 pm »
Thereís obviously no scum hammer here because Galz is scum.

Thereís obviously no scum hammer because faust hasnít checked in.

I thought you said faust was confirmed town (though only to you for some reason!).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 08:11:11 pm »
Thereís obviously no scum hammer here because Galz is scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 06:54:43 pm »
Can we PLEASE exile Galz now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 05:12:03 pm »
Can we kill Galz now?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 05:11:51 pm »
It's not Didds/chairs! That play is too crazy for them!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 05:10:44 pm »
So then you're claiming that scum is two of {chairs, Didds, Space}? That's a bold move, Cotton.

Yeah, thatís me. Taking the bill by the horns.

Why aren't you voting for Space, then? Space is confirmed scum to you.

Because it COULD be {WCD, Chairs}, even if itís unlikely.

Also, because thereís no likely {Chairs, Space} narrative, but {WCD, Space} is very clear.

I think chairs/space is more likely than didds/chairs...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 05:04:40 pm »
I still want to exile Galz.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 05:01:50 pm »
There's been a lot of not voting for confirmed scum!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 05:01:31 pm »
So then you're claiming that scum is two of {chairs, Didds, Space}? That's a bold move, Cotton.

Yeah, thatís me. Taking the bill by the horns.

Why aren't you voting for Space, then? Space is confirmed scum to you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 04:59:59 pm »
Space's claim is very extra. Why am I considering space town again?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 04:58:58 pm »
..... yeah faust is IC.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 03:51:21 pm »
Why is faust an IC for Galz? If he's an IC for Galz he's just an IC, because Galz and faust can't both be scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 01:08:24 pm »
Since you were promoting a scum!Didds theory earlier, and that seemed to go with a town!Galz theory more than anything else, I was expecting some discussion about why I'm wrong to scumread Galz so much from that post... and I think that's not forthcoming, especially since you're now voting for him.

We are just approaching this game in completely different ways. I'm not hung up on partner hunting, because I think everybody left is savvy enough to have had non-incriminating partner interactions, especially because we've been in a place for a while that bus-and-then-survive has looked like a pretty good scum option.

Didds' claim has unfolded in a manner I expect a scum claim to unfold. Chairs' has not. I'm not 100% confident on that though, and yeah there will be more re-reading to do. I'm just not in this mode of "we MUST figure out the partner now," since this will be pointless work if we're wrong.

But vastly beyond that it doesn't matter because these two subsequent claims basically corner Galz as scum. Or at least I'm more confident on that than a Didds vs chairs guess.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 01:04:08 pm »
Space, can you quote the specific post you are so insistent I revisit?

It's Galz's huge wall post at the end of D4, where he re-reads all the key players. Take a look at the actual earlier-game posts that Didds made that make him conclude she's scummy, and there's next to nothing there at all that points to scum.

I went through the whole of his really long post point by point (my post in response to his is #904), grouping them into things that supported a scum!Didds argument and things that supported a scum!Chairs argument, and really, the things that support scum!Chairs far outweigh scum!Didds, and so the confidence with which he makes his town!Chairs claim is deeply suspicious to me, and I want a second trustworthy opinion.

Iíve read and re read it, and I think it could very well be scum!Galz building a false case on Didds, or scum!Galz building an incidentally correct case on a partner, for town points after this flip. I think by this time it would have been apparent to them that Didds is going down before Galz.

I guess Iím not sure why you are so hung up on this.

Huh, you're putting forward two alternatives for scum!Galz making that post, but none for town!Galz. The reason I was sticking on it is that really reading and thinking about that post was what sold me on the Galz-Chairs scumpair and town!Didds, even though I came into the day slightly suspecting faust-Didds as the pair in spite of my second null result on faust.

Since you were promoting a scum!Didds theory earlier, and that seemed to go with a town!Galz theory more than anything else, I was expecting some discussion about why I'm wrong to scumread Galz so much from that post... and I think that's not forthcoming, especially since you're now voting for him.

I don't... what? If I read the post from a town!Galz perspective, okay I don't know, it's interesting analysis, I guess? You want my view of Galz's opinions in the event he is town? Why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 01:00:09 pm »
Well, eh. If we exile the fake Doctor and scum!Space doesn't fakeclaim here then tomorrow it's 1v1. A lot can happen there. I doubt the game looks like as much of a lock from a scum!Space perspective. Didds is the most likely partner for Space and it looks like she's gonna be the exile if we decide to exile a Doctor.

And I don't buy town!Space being confused, like, at all. There is no way in the world town!Space wouldn't have weighed he possible outcomes of a claim like that. And I find it hard to see a way in which they would arrive at the conclusion that it's a good thing to do.

It's 1 v 1 but neither of those people would be space...
I don't follow... scenario is: 1-shot BP claim. No counterclaim, so they are IC. The remaining Doctor is IC. You are IC. Only 2 people remain, one of them being Space. What are you suggesting?

Let's say we exile the correct scum today, actual Doctor dies. Tomorrow, it's me, you, space, Galz. We are picking between you and Galz, because I think space is town. That's what I meant by "a 1 v 1 that doesn't include space"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 12:28:07 pm »
Actually... Vote: Galz

We can probably just go ahead and exile him rather than wait.
You don't think Space's claim is suspicious? I look at it and think there is no good reason for town!Space to make that claim. For for scum!Space... they don't know which of me/Galz is the 1-shot BP. If noone claims Tracker and Galz claims 1-shot BP, then that ICs him (due to EFHW's death we know that scum has some way to circumvent Doctors). So then Space's whole case here would fall apart and there is a significant threat that their partner would be the exile instead. This certainly looks like Space trying to preempt such a scenario by preventing Galz from becoming an IC. The claim was also made just when Galz became a viable exile.

The town!Space narrative not only has the problem that the claim doesn't make sense; it's also asking us to believe a) that Space targeted 2 scum, both of which had targeting powers beyond the nightkill and yet never got a result. b) that scum has 3 shots worth of preventing Doctor protection but somehow failed to kill you.

Here's my thinking: Scum!space has no chance of getting exile today, and in truth almost no chance of getting exiled tomorrow, assuming I am not the kill. The game was sort of already a lock for scum!space. But it's very much not a lock for confused and frustrated town!space, so I see the claim coming from there.
Well, eh. If we exile the fake Doctor and scum!Space doesn't fakeclaim here then tomorrow it's 1v1. A lot can happen there. I doubt the game looks like as much of a lock from a scum!Space perspective. Didds is the most likely partner for Space and it looks like she's gonna be the exile if we decide to exile a Doctor.

And I don't buy town!Space being confused, like, at all. There is no way in the world town!Space wouldn't have weighed he possible outcomes of a claim like that. And I find it hard to see a way in which they would arrive at the conclusion that it's a good thing to do.

It's 1 v 1 but neither of those people would be space...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 11:42:09 am »
Actually... Vote: Galz

We can probably just go ahead and exile him rather than wait.
You don't think Space's claim is suspicious? I look at it and think there is no good reason for town!Space to make that claim. For for scum!Space... they don't know which of me/Galz is the 1-shot BP. If noone claims Tracker and Galz claims 1-shot BP, then that ICs him (due to EFHW's death we know that scum has some way to circumvent Doctors). So then Space's whole case here would fall apart and there is a significant threat that their partner would be the exile instead. This certainly looks like Space trying to preempt such a scenario by preventing Galz from becoming an IC. The claim was also made just when Galz became a viable exile.

The town!Space narrative not only has the problem that the claim doesn't make sense; it's also asking us to believe a) that Space targeted 2 scum, both of which had targeting powers beyond the nightkill and yet never got a result. b) that scum has 3 shots worth of preventing Doctor protection but somehow failed to kill you.

Here's my thinking: Scum!space has no chance of getting exile today, and in truth almost no chance of getting exiled tomorrow, assuming I am not the kill. The game was sort of already a lock for scum!space. But it's very much not a lock for confused and frustrated town!space, so I see the claim coming from there.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 11:18:30 am »
Actually... Vote: Galz

We can probably just go ahead and exile him rather than wait.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 11:11:27 am »
Space, can you quote the specific post you are so insistent I revisit?

It's Galz's huge wall post at the end of D4, where he re-reads all the key players. Take a look at the actual earlier-game posts that Didds made that make him conclude she's scummy, and there's next to nothing there at all that points to scum.

I went through the whole of his really long post point by point (my post in response to his is #904), grouping them into things that supported a scum!Didds argument and things that supported a scum!Chairs argument, and really, the things that support scum!Chairs far outweigh scum!Didds, and so the confidence with which he makes his town!Chairs claim is deeply suspicious to me, and I want a second trustworthy opinion.

Iíve read and re read it, and I think it could very well be scum!Galz building a false case on Didds, or scum!Galz building an incidentally correct case on a partner, for town points after this flip. I think by this time it would have been apparent to them that Didds is going down before Galz.

I guess Iím not sure why you are so hung up on this.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 10:42:55 am »
No one say anything other than that, actually, until Galzria weighs in.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 5
« on: October 28, 2020, 10:41:12 am »
Space, can you quote the specific post you are so insistent I revisit?

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