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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part IV
« on: January 11, 2018, 06:12:10 am »
I'm only a couple weeks from my 5 year anniversary date.

Wow, I'm here since 6 1/4 years, insane.

Dominion General Discussion / Re: $3 Cost Card Rankings Bottom Half
« on: January 11, 2018, 05:53:53 am »
Mastercard last? Boy.

VISA is clearly better.

Other Games / Zachtronics Games
« on: January 08, 2018, 03:51:15 am »
Who else is playing Zachtronics games? For those who don't know. They are all puzzle games from one company with the target audience of programmers or those who want to learn programming.

I recently discovered Opus Magnum and the puzzles are so awesome. Optimizing and getting better scores is really a lot of fun. Now I reached the point where solving the puzzles is already quite a feat, let alone optimizing them. I avoided spoilers so far, but would love to compare scores with you guys. PM me if you play it so we can add each other as a friend on steam.

Which other games from Zachtronics would you guys recommend next? Shenzhen I/O is maybe a bit too programmy for my taste on first look. Can anyone confirm? What about the other ones?

Dominion General Discussion / Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« on: December 31, 2017, 09:53:24 pm »
Results are collected and sent to the presenters. They start to get posted in a week.

Solo Challenges / Re: Embargo x100
« on: December 31, 2017, 05:31:45 am »
Can't remember. I think that sparked from that. Keep in mind that this was pre Nocturne.

Dominion General Discussion / Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« on: December 29, 2017, 11:17:05 pm »
That why ordering or rating is recommended. Matching is probably more fun, but yeah it takes a lot of time.

Last 2 days guys. Make sure to finish your lists and MARK THEM AS FINISHED.

Dominion General Discussion / Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« on: December 26, 2017, 06:57:40 am »
Friendly reminder that we are getting close to the finishing line.
Finish your list and MARK YOUR LIST AS FINISHED so that it counts.

Dominion General Discussion / Re: Christmas Kingdoms 2017
« on: December 25, 2017, 02:49:06 am »
Finally we have Dominion: Unglued

Dominion General Discussion / Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« on: December 19, 2017, 05:00:03 pm »
Anyone else having issues connecting to the page?

I don't.

Btw. first reminder to everyone who has finished ranking/voting: MARK YOUR LIST AS FINISHED so that it counts

Dominion General Discussion / Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« on: December 12, 2017, 12:36:16 am »
Don't use the copy feature for now. It seems that the web hoster can't handle the load that happen when doing that.

Dominion General Discussion / The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« on: December 07, 2017, 02:48:02 am »
Five years have already passed since the first Dominion Card Lists were compiled, the skill level of all players raised and a lot of new knowledge is gained. Again a new expansion was released and also the second Edition came out, so everyone is eager to learn how the new cards rank. That means it's time for the 2017 edition of the Dominion Card Lists.

What do you have to do?
If you like to contribute, go to for the best cards list, for your favourite cards and for the best card art.
This video from last year walks you basically through how the web app works or just read on:

I'm not the best web designer to make it look nice, but it works. You have 3 options to submit your list. You can 1.) compare two cards at a time or 2.) order the cards all at once in a big list or 3.) rate them with numerical values. If you do the first option, the app will tell you when you're done and no new "card duel" is available anymore. Internally option 1 and 2 is stored in one list and option 3 in a separate list. There are 2 links for exporting one list to another, so you can for example first give each card a numerical value for a rough estimate and then copy the list and fine tune it by either ordering them or do the remaining comparisms. I didn't include a registration or anything like that for this simple app. You can just login by your ShuffleIT name and any password you like. The next time you login you just have to remember the password you've set on your first login. I expect that nobody will trick me by using a user name of anyone else. If you have no ShuffleIT account, just use a user name of your choice. If you don't know an expansion very well you can choose to leave it out. But be sure that if you want to include a card of a specific expansion, you have to rank all cards of the expansion. There are no restriction with Promo cards, so if you don't know e.g. Summon very well, you can leave it out.

To clarify as there is much confusion apparently: You can vote in any of the 3 methods. Therefore a S, A, B, C, D, E, F voting works as long as you convert that to a 7 to 1 rating in the "Rate" method. Also: Don't forget to mark your lists as finished when you are.

Cards are only counted if they are kingdom cards. If you want to look up the card texts and also the last year's lists, just go to our wiki.
If you submit your list, you also agree that I may give this to third party, like theory or rrenaud. If you don't agree send me a PM.

If you've submitted last year, I will not take your last submission into account.

I included extra lists for Prizes, individual Knights, Ruins, Events, Landmarks, Boons and Hexes. These are optional, you don't have to rank them if you don't want.
For Hexes, the "best" one is the one that is the most harmful.
You can also if you want rank all the kingdom cards in one big list. This is also optional as this takes a lot of time.
Dismantle is not included yet as most are unfamiliar with it.

Usual disclaimer: This list should cause discussion not hassle. Of course it's difficult to compare some of the cards because pretty much every card has some situations where it shines and situations where it doesn't. This isn't a scientific list, just a compiled list of the community's opinion of the best cards.

What else?
Submission deadline is the 31st of Dececember 11:59pm UTC.
Each card will get a percentage value based on the rank. So your best card gets 100% and your worst gets 0%. This will result in a compiled list of all of your lists.
As I don't have much time this year, results will get presented by a group of people with the upside of the results being presented in a much shorter time frame. Thanks for all the volunteers.
If you encounter some bugs, just send me a PM and I'll fix them ASAP.

Let's see how many submissions we get this time. The more we get the better the rankings will be. I can't wait to get your submissions. If you have any questions, ask them here.

Dominion General Discussion / Re: Homage to the Best Card
« on: November 30, 2017, 02:52:20 am »
In case he wants Earth's Gift yes.

Scheduling / Re: Season 24 - C2
« on: November 22, 2017, 07:07:04 am »
ugh :(

 I apologize, having health issues that take priority.

Sheperd can create really fun decks that draw a bunch but really lack reliability, if you have a Shepherd in hand your Cobbler can gain a Estate for 2 points and +2 cards that turn, if not you can gain a Shepherd for and use it in a hand thatīs likely full of green cards.

Can confirm, had this come up as well and there was even Silk Road for extra fun. I had 2 alternating Cobblers going which were either gaining a Silk Road in hand when I had Shepherd or Shepherd in hand when I didn't. Even though the deck was basically just green I was still able to get Silk Road + Province turns.

Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Empty the Supply in 1 Turn
« on: November 16, 2017, 01:20:46 pm »
Might work anyway the way you laid it out, too tired to think about it though right now.
But if you do instead of

Buy: Travelling Fair, Travelling Fair, Travelling Fair, Travelling Fair, Advance (f -> d), Advance (f -> d), Advance (f -> r), Advance (f -> w), Advance (f -> v)

Buy: Travelling Fair, Travelling Fair, Travelling Fair, Travelling Fair, Advance (f -> d), Advance (f -> l), Advance (f -> r), Advance (f -> w), Advance (f -> v)

to be able to continue the loop and then get Crown+Crown+Lurker+Death Cart running to maybe get Overlords with additional Lurker plays instead of buying them...

Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Empty the Supply in 1 Turn
« on: November 16, 2017, 12:17:56 pm »
Yeah, that is what I meant navical.
Maybe add Pouch so that you have an extra buy for Advance?

Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Empty the Supply in 1 Turn
« on: November 16, 2017, 10:53:53 am »
How do you topdeck Cursed Village? Not sure who is right but on ShufflIt you lose track and then it doesn't work.

If you want to try: Replay #8755793 from turn 3

Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Fastest millionaire!
« on: November 08, 2017, 05:05:18 pm »

Dominion Online at Shuffle iT / Re: Is it okay to buy Possession?
« on: November 07, 2017, 10:22:14 am »
I like the decision. Possession was going into my personal ban list as well very soon, but not because it is too powerful, but just because Debt+Possession games are so terrible and maybe also because of all the rules weirdness.

Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Fastest millionaire!
« on: November 06, 2017, 05:16:24 am »
So I made my first timed run and it was terrible, around double the time of the second video. I'm not good at speedrunning, I know that anyway. But it is also hard to not try to maximize coins, but rather time, especially as I tried to test earlier how high you can get in a reasonable amount of time. I recorded it, but I should probably optimize first.

Edit: ha and I just realized that I came up with basically the same kingdom independantly (I used the same kingdom cards, but used 2 more events)

Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Fastest millionaire!
« on: November 06, 2017, 02:38:11 am »
Played around with this a little bit, I mean a million is maybe possible, but that doesn't sound fun to do, unless I am missing something obvious. 100k seems probably reachable in a reasonable amount of time.

Edit: just did 59k in the first real test

How do you spend coin tokens before playing Poor House?

I like Theory's idea. Simply put, there are so many cards now, we need a faster more efficient way to rank cards, especially if we are going to try and get a strong voting population.

Like I said, you can for now just assign numbers to each card and that is a decent and fast way to rank them, faster than any other method, just not as precise.

Well wero, you can just choose the ranking/rating option you prefer, an additional wouldn't hurt.

Anyway, really like the idea now that I thought about it, to let different people present the results.
Feel free to apply if you are interested in the #cardlists channel in discord (preferred) or PM me here.
The more people apply, the less cards each person might have to present, I am aiming for about 15 per person.

Oh and regarding presenting the results. Having different people present them is actually a neat idea. I am still against presenting them all at once because I like the speculations and the discussion that rise from that. But raising the parts to like 15 or 20 cards at one and having different people presenting each part sounds pretty good.

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