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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 21, 2018, 01:31:21 pm »
Sorry been super busy.

Same. WIll try to get to this tonight.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 20, 2018, 04:47:52 pm »
I was town to the people who know I don't do that kind of thing as scum. Which is like everyone but you and Cuzz.

I don't know that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 20, 2018, 10:37:40 am »
You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

The question should have read, "why did you target space"? Instead, it's the usual kill the obvious good guy for using his role to help town identify the other good guys that always happens for inscrutable reasons especially since it is always town that leads the crusade.

Wait, what ? I was looking for clarification, stop with the useless paranoia.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 20, 2018, 10:08:55 am »
You're asking entirely the wrong questions, anyhow.

No, you just enjoy being cryptic. I am taking this as a claim of "investigative PR with town result on Space", and will assume you're scum if you try to walk it back later on.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 20, 2018, 10:02:54 am »
WHy is Space a known townie ?
Because I said so.

To be clear: is this an overly confident reads thing, or a PR thing ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:58:35 am »
Will do some more in depth analysis later this morning. Interesting scum killed the other major wagon for us and galz was on wagon and lurking. Honestly strange kill.

Scum always comments on the strangeness of the kill.

Meh. It's not that strange a kill either: not the most obvious one certainly, but killing a storng townie who's hard ot lynch (regardless of how much suspicion there is) isn't exactly unconventional scum play.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 20, 2018, 09:57:37 am »
WHy is Space a known townie ?

I do think Galz's flip should help give us interesting wagon analysis.

PPE: I follow the reasoning on faust, but where's the FoS on Swan coming from ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 2)
« on: February 20, 2018, 04:46:05 am »
Noting that I was wrong again, Galz. I'll try to do better next time.

What's the Cuzz thing ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 16, 2018, 07:32:43 pm »
Also, people should state their deadline availability if they haven't already.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 16, 2018, 07:31:21 pm »
Sure.

vote: LL

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 16, 2018, 06:19:34 pm »
Is the above good enough for you? I am time limited this game, that's why I am not fully fleshing out all my thoughts and supporting everything I say with quotes and stuff.

Indeed it is.

I won't be around tomorrow, though I should be able to log on right before deadline... in the meantime, I think I'm fine with my vote where it is. I do not want to lynch Space, or Robz, or mcmc. Not super enthusiastic about iguana and TWM either, other peoplen are fine to lynch to various degrees.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 16, 2018, 03:54:43 pm »
I could vote Space but what if they are town? I'd be bummed.

Is this a bit you're doing this game ? Because I'm getting tired with it. I have no idea where you stand on anything.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 16, 2018, 03:50:16 pm »
what does ATE mean?

Appeal to Emotion. I don't agree with Space that being aggressive qualifies as that, but I do agree that it can get just as unpleasant.

It is also not incredibly relevant to the game, but that's fine.

I don't get this Space case at all, in Lost they hid a lot more behind her "don't like reads" meta. Granted, there is incentive to change it up, but it's not that easy (see also: pps and setups).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 16, 2018, 02:48:56 pm »
mcmc, it's nice that you quote votes and call them bad votes because or "garbage reasons" but your case on Space describes typical town!Space behaviour, so...

I could go for pps though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 16, 2018, 09:10:16 am »
Indeed. Deadline is tomorrow, people. Is someone not voting ?

Oh, exactly one person is not voting. Let's go back to vote: Galz then.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 15, 2018, 06:06:25 pm »
Pretty meh on the clement votes. Classic "he is scummy for not saying anything" followed by "he said something, it is scummy!"

Unfortunately I see town doing that far too often out of over reading perceived scum traits.

Yes, overreading perceived scum traits is what scummhunting is. Please do inform us when you figure out a better way.

SirClemens wasn't scummy for being a lurker (that's always been a ridiculous startegy on day 1, unless everyone active is townie), but the deflection onto other people for reasons to vote is scummy, yes. You can argue it's too scummy to be scum, but Clemens is a new player, so you know, OCcam's Razor.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 15, 2018, 10:33:43 am »
[reads list]
Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

Not a bad point.

[reads list]
Aka "I want to be able to jump on all the popular wagons"

Vote: SirClemens

The wagons are probably popular for a reason.

A very bad point.

vote: SirClemens

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 14, 2018, 04:45:01 pm »
I thought Galz only had 3 votes, but still. Catching up on the game, it felt strange to me that Galz (or anyone for that matter) hadn't gotten a real wagon. I guess it's a real wagon now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 14, 2018, 03:30:43 pm »
@iguana: Galz is not a popular vote, quite the contrary. Bunch of people casually think he's scummy, not many are voting. That's one of the things that's scummy about him !

And yes, I got that you think LL is scummy. I was inquiring as to why you thought that, as I'm sure you know. Well ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 14, 2018, 01:43:11 pm »
I actually think this is Space trying to be helpful, whereas I'd expect scum!Space to hide in their comfort zone (ie not reads).

I guess I haven't answered Robz re: Galz. It has a lot to do with his reaction to iguana's claim feeling particularly fake (and I do think it's always tough for scum to react claims like this, especially early on)... then Galz's play in general doesn't feel particularly townie to me.

@iguana: Why LL ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 14, 2018, 03:26:13 am »
Teproc has a 100% scum read record on me in every game we've played together, and a 0% accuracy rate on my being scum. He has no clue what he's looking for, and his case here is more of the same from him.

Huh. Is that true? It might be true.

I mean, I'll give you that my memory isn't always the greatest - but I cannot recall a game with Teproc where he hasn't scum read me for the majority of the game, and I've been town each time.

Mind you, that argument is irrelevant as a defense of my alignment here as past alignments have no bearings on current ones - it's more a note on Teproc's inability to read me.

You are only slightly exagerrating: I didn't think you were scum in M105 (when I was IC). Well I had some paranoia about you, but I never tunneled you like I did in Lost and whicheve game it was we lost terribly.

Still, I will admit to not having a great track record at reading you in general.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 13, 2018, 06:17:23 pm »
Would you expect those in that game to remember? I feel like I was an observer, but don't remember much at all.

Quote
Player list:
1. LaLight
2. Galzria
3. gkrieg
4. 2.71828.....
5. Archetype
6. Teproc
7. Witherweaver
8. IDontPlayThisGame
9. Datswan
10. Eevee
11. Qvist
12. RoadRunner
13. faust
14. SpaceAnemone
15. Iguanaiguana
16. Jimmmmm
17. O

Run by: Robz, mcmc

The three people that took him at face value and assigned town points were all involved in the previous game.

It's far from a 1 to 1 comparison, so I don't expect everyone in that game to relate this to that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 13, 2018, 06:13:56 pm »
Cool, iguana is confirmed town, and Teproc.

Vote: PPS


Why am I conf!town ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 13, 2018, 05:59:08 pm »
Catching up.

I believe that if I describe the thoughts that occured to me when I saw my role PM, it would help prove to you all that I am town. However, doing so would  involve claiming.

Should I claim? Discuss.

Hm. Usually I'd give townpoints for this, but iguana has done this as scum in Lost so meh.
Context? Bonus points if you are willing to point out where in the game in occurred.

Lost mafia, the Poisoner claim, early day 1. I wrote this before iguana made it clear he wouldn't claim right away, so it didn't end up being that similar, but still: I (and most everyone) gave iguana townpoints there because it seemed like he was sharing his internal process of thinking about his PR, which is easier for town than scum. Turns out iguana can do it just fine as scum, so no townpoints for him this game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M113: sufjan stevens (day 1)
« on: February 13, 2018, 05:50:19 pm »
Catching up.

I believe that if I describe the thoughts that occured to me when I saw my role PM, it would help prove to you all that I am town. However, doing so would  involve claiming.

Should I claim? Discuss.

Hm. Usually I'd give townpoints for this, but iguana has done this as scum in Lost so meh.

I believe that if I describe the thoughts that occured to me when I saw my role PM, it would help prove to you all that I am town. However, doing so would  involve claiming.

Should I claim? Discuss.

vote: iguana for even bringing up claiming immediately i'm so sick of insta claims and mass claims.

Classic town!mcmc. I wasn't wrong about mcmc in that last game with the whole roleblocking with O right ? Scumteam was... Robz, ash and someone else ? Not mcmc, definitely, so yeah.

His subsequent Cuzz vote is also classic town!mcmc. Voting for stuff that are kinda sorta scummy just to get things moving.

Actually vote: cuzz
Vote: mcmc

Obviously.

I accept iguana as town, and don't think he should claim more.

The scummiest of the "oh iguana must be town" quick reactions.

I accept iguana as town, and don't think he should claim more.

you would

Yes
I don't accept this argument. The iguana is town part, at least. And think he should claim if he thinks he should (looks like he isn't going to, which is fine), but find those giving town credit without actually hearing what he has to say/claim mildly to moderately suspicious.

A bold argument to make as scum, hence townie.

Galz later making the point that the least likely thing is scum supporting scum!iguana is soo scummy.

Good. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, which of these seems most likely:

Scum {any of us} supports Town Iguana
Scum {any of us} supports Scum Iguana
Town {any of us} supports Town Iguana
Town {any of us} supports Scum Iguana

Personally, in a void, I think option 2 is least likely in any given game. That means even if you value the others all equally, Iguana is more likely than not town.

Not to mention, you know, this isn't scum iguana.

Vote:Galz

A wise man.

also just remembered how much i despise this part of the game
unvote

Boo.

not voting (5): Robz888, SirClemens, Teproc, Galzria, iguanaiguana

not voting (5): Robz888, SirClemens, Teproc, Galzria, iguanaiguana

not voting (5): Robz888, SirClemens, Teproc, Galzria, iguanaiguana

Woah.

Took you long enough ! Not really, that was pretty fast actually.

I think Cuzz' reaction on ii claim was a little off. What does meta say about this?

Townie.

anyone claiming ii is town should be looked at as skummy. the only people that could possibly make that assumption at this point int he game are themselves and skum.

Aside from the usual, annoying claims that D1 sucks (when we all know it's the best part of mafia), I'm liking Swan a lot here.

Which of course means he gets an argument with faust.

I essentially agree with Galzria.

Boo. Also, null.

I'm close enough to IC now that I'm gunna lurk and silently judge yall for a while.

I'm hoping this is some reptilian attempt at humour. Only Robz gets to claim IC that prematurely.

I am confused by the amount of people posting at 4am. Also I have come around to agree that iguana's statement is slightly more likely to be made by town and that cuzz's reaction has been the scummiest.

Lalight want to elaborate on your robz read I didn't get weird vibes from him at all.

Also datswan is town, I think he unnecessarily attacks galz and gets miffed more often as town.

Your 4am is my 13.00

I donít know, he just said couple of general statements and this is all.

I know you and faust live on the other side but I was suprised by the datswan and galz/cuzz activity.

Also doesn't robz just always do that now. He's literally said "Iguana is town and shouldn't claim" and "I agree with galz". What do you expect town!robz to have done/said?

Interesting white-knighting here ;)

well, I would expect not the bare words and statements, but at least a back up of why he agrees with Galz, why he thinks that ii is town, anything else, even RVS!

Are you really saying "I would expect robz to post thought out and backed-up ideas early day 1" because I just can't remember the last time he did that as either alignment.

He definitely does it as scum. See: his Survivor game (which definitely counts as scum even though he played it pro-town).

I'm close enough to IC now that I'm gunna lurk and silently judge yall for a while.

Wanna actually be IC use your town cred to engage people and create even more discussions while accruing reads based on said discussions then if we get into a lul in game state you can slam some of those reads on us with a vote/case. you know pro-town things not just pro-iguana things.

mcmc continuing to be obv!town.

mcmc is being super aggressive

He's being town!mcmc. It's not that hard to spot, it's the thing he does where he's pro-town. Scum!mcmc is quieter on day 1.

Had a crazy day at work and just got to a spot where I could catch up. Quite a lot of intense discussion for a D1.

Have no idea what to make of it. I certainly donít care for the iguana division method. I took it as perfectly null and pretty much any response to it as null. Getting all invested in null is pretty useless to me.

Galzria left himself off his reads list so Vote: Galzria

While I approve of the vote, I have never put myself on a reads list and am constantly mystified that other people do it.

I am willing to sheep this. vote: DatSwan

Is LL more sheepy as one faction or another ? Because he is pretty sheepy this game.

As a wise man once said:

I think the answer is just sheep Faust.

Vote: DatSwan

The actual winning strategy is to vote for whoever faust thinks is scum but is not pushing. Works regardless of faust's alignment !

On the other hand, this series of posts has been scummier than what DatSwan did.

Vote: Cuzz

If this is still current, I'd like to know what was scummy about the series of posts in question, because I don't particularly see much there.

On the other hand, this series of posts has been scummier than what DatSwan did.

Vote: Cuzz

Cool! Care to show your work for the rest of the class?

Sure. We have a post discussing the scumminess of DatSwan without a vote, immediately followed by a post about how people voting for DatSwan are scummy sheepers. There you gave the reason why you didn't vote for DatSwan! Amazing stuff.

And then comes a pointless reads list that only restates the stuff you just said. But hey you look active at least!

Oh, thanks. Eh, I think that's just Cuzz's style. When  I was scum with e and Joseph, we lynched Cuzz day 1 with basically this case.

And... I'm caught up !

vote: Galz

Though the fact that the most controversial thing PPS has done is the reads list thing makes him an appealing lynch as well. Less than Galz though, still, especially because it's pretty surprising to me he never got a wagon going on him through all this.

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