I don't think it's very ambiguous, because of my intuition that cards don't leave cards stranded. Do you have a suggested wording to make it more clear?
No idea what this replace thingy means. But on the first glance this looks strictly better than Lab.I was tripped up at first but I think it's just "return the rest to the top of your deck in any order".Repeater+2 Cards in addition to digging up another Repeater if you have one, so +2-3 Cards per play
$5 Action
+2 Cards, +1 Action, +$1; Discard a card. Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a Repeater, put it in your hand, replace the rest in any order.
It does discard one card (needs to say "discard a card from your hand" if I'm not mistaken).
It's strictly better than Peddler and arguably better than Lab... especially as you accumulate more of them.
BryGuy, I agree with your assessment that it's strong atbut perhaps underwhelming at
-- I recommend pushing it a little in whichever direction you're envisioning for it. Cool card though; non-terminal drawing and sifting and coin, and it draws itself. Who could ask for more?
It's recursive until you want it not to be.
Rather simple:
Do it again.
and Buys with Adventures tokens.
I guess it's kind of the opposite of the movie, since you want to be stuck in the loop and you pay to stay in it. Anyways it's sort of like Prince (except you can switch which Action you're playing and stuff), but only loops conditional on the "unspent" thing from Wine Merchant.
Do you think the WM penalty enough that I can lower the price to
Set aside a non-Duration Action card you have in play costing up to. At the start of your next turn, play it.
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When you discard this from play, if you have at leastunspent, replay this.
| Rundown Chapel -- Augie279 |  | To be honest, I don't really have much to say about this one. It doesn't have any glaring flaws as far as I can tell, but I wouldn't call it stellar either. |
| Spotless Village -- czzzz |  | Wowza, that's a pretty massive bottom effect! I like how it makes it easier to get the top effect to trigger. It's also nice that the bottom comes on a Village so that you don't have to worry as much about being forced to trash dead Actions. Nice job on this! |
| Mystic Workshop -- SignError |  | An unusual Workshop indeed! The Copper gaining looks like a pretty major downside until you read the bottom, and then you realize that it's actually a boon (lowercase, of course  ). Very clever. |
| Loanshark -- LibraryAdventurer | Quote Loanshark | Smart of you to limit the Debt it can give out. That said, I don't think the bottom is too different from Delve, and the - token is a better version of the attack imo. |
| Landslide -- Aquila | Quote Landslide - Action Attack, $5 cost. | A Soothsayer whose drawback doesn't make the card completely awful! Unfortunately, I do worry that it might stack too well by dumping a bunch of Curses onto people's decks all at once. |
| Rummager -- silverspawn |  | This seems way too dependent on the presence of TFB to me. I think it would be easy to just trash your Coppers, and then it becomes "Moat, gain a Copper to your hand" for . Which is terrible. I get that you can eventually run out of cards you want to trash and might want to get a Rummager to get back good cards that were trashed, but a game state like that doesn't exactly sound like fun to me. |
| Contessa -- 4est |  | Like Shepherd, but much more interesting; and Shepherd is already a very interesting card to begin with! Brilliant submission. Very well done. |
| Boatswain -- X-tra |  | An awesome Duration card that reduces the downside inherent to Durations (for just one Duration each turn). Limiting it to once a turn was a good call; I would've decried the bottom as being too good if it worked on all your Duration cards. I still would've given it an honorable mention at worst; I really love this card. |
| Spirit Market -- LordBaphomet |  | A terminal Silver that can let you spike specific cards. I'll be honest and admit that I didn't like this card at first, but I like it a lot now after thinking about it more. I really like how the bottom forces you to populate the trash before you're ready to start buying from it. Unfortunately, I worry that it might be too potent at shortening the game length, and I'm also worried about potential rules issues with some copies of given cards costing different from others. |
| Daring Hero -- faust |  | Clever how you've managed to make it make sense to have a choose one between drawing two cards or discarding that many. It seems weak to me, though. Not having any Treasures in hand is frequently quite hard to proc for the payoff (barring games where Gold isn't the best target for restriction-less Treasure-gaining). |
| Archangel Hades -- sumrex | Quote Archangel Hades | The bottom seems kind of tacked on, as if you just want the card to force people to use it if they want Gold. An "in games using this" effect that feels like it's only there to annoy people doesn't sound like fun. It also feels like the Copper option is only there to make the card more thematic rather than to actually improve its gameplay or make it more interesting. Lastly, I plugged this into the image generator, and it's 7 lines of microtext even without the bottom. That's a sign that it probably ought to be simplified. |
| Way of the Sword -- emtzalex |  | The top and bottom are so unrelated to each other that it feels like you made the top and then just smacked the bottom on to make it qualify. I really like the top, but I'm afraid you don't score very well on how the top and bottom tie together, unless I'm missing something. |
| Factory -- JW | Quote Factory | The top and bottom tie together here perfectly. The top isn't too imaginative, but combined with the bottom, it makes for yet another genius submission. You guys are really making this contest hard to judge! |
| Landfill -- Builder_Roberts |  | I used the image that uses my preferred wording. Being able to both trash and draw looks crazy, and it is, but you'll quickly run out of fuel if you want to keep using it as a Moat or Smithy. I'm tempted to say that the bottom might be too strong with too many cards, but that may not actually be true. I like it; I think it might be my favorite card of yours. Definitely at least 2nd. I also just like combos with trashing; there's a reason Dark Ages was my favorite expansion for the longest time out of all expansions, after all. |
| Army -- segura |  | Tokens galore! (Plus a card adaptation of +Card tokens.) Going with the bottom you chose instead of "Victory cards are worth an extra VP" was definitely the right call. I do think that either bottom does go a bit too far in encouraging Victory card gaining for just , though. |
| City Builder & City Wall -- BryGuy | Quote City Builder Quote City Wall | A pretty meh submission. The top is made less exciting by City Wall already being a cantrip (so it only gives you 1 more card than playing the City Wall), and it's really just a far less interesting version of Shepherd imho. |
| Mad Scientist -- grrgrrgrr |  | I think this bottom effect makes Cursers (including itself) too strong. Even without the Bridge effect, this is almost equivalent to "+1 Buy, +, +3 ." Which is absurd for . And most other Cursers only become even more broken. |
| Expel -- xyz123 | Quote Expel | I think this compares too favorably to Banish. You can Exile differently named cards (be honest, how often do you Banish 3+ cards?), and it scores in the process. |
| Evangelist -- Kingreaper | Quote Evangelist - $4 | I've tried a card with the same concept of "use an extra Ally that's only sometimes in use" before, but this is a brilliant way of doing that while avoiding rules issues. The top is already interesting on its own, but the bottom only makes it even better. This is an amazing card. |
| Pre-order -- Udzu |  | Sadly, this is another one I don't really know what to say about. It's not bad, but it's not great either. |
| Bookkeeper -- NoMoreFun | Quote Bookkeeper | I think automatically Saving all your Actions and Treasures usually trivializes a lot of otherwise important decisions in this game and makes the game less interesting. |
| Forsaken City -- AJL828 |  | Like I said about trashing combos on Builder_Roberts' submission, I love discarding synergies. I really like this; it's a really cool sidegrade of Imp. I'm glad I clarified with you whether you intended to be able to play 2 of the same card; it would've been too good if you did. |
| Loyal Witch -- d4mn13l |  | As segura pointed out, I think being able to discard opponents' hands with this makes this irredeemable. The bottom looks like it makes Cursers miserable anyway. Normally, trashing gives you a reprieve from getting Cursed. This allows you to ping-pong your Curses back to your opponents, or allows them to give you your Curses back after you trash them. No thanks! |
| Charcoal Burner -- LTaco |  | Clever use of the bottom to limit its trashing power. That's all I have to say about it unfortunately. |
| Bluffs -- anordinaryman |  | I think this would be fine for its price without nerfing all Victory cards. |
| Midnight Witch -- Xen3k |  | A non-terminal Curser that gives out Curses immediately without looking like it would be miserable. Nice, that's hard to do. Good job on this! |
| Elixir -- Ethan |  | Another one I don't really have anything to say about. |
| Local Stable -- lompeluiten | Quote Local stable $4 | I think punishing Victory cards in this way looks unfun. This also just isn't a very creative card imo. |
Local stable $4
Action
+1 action
Play up to 3 treasure. +1 card per treasure played this way
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In games using this, whenever an player gains an victory card, they gain an copper.
Might look strong, but it is an conditional libary, with some potential upside.
QuoteElixir -
Treasure
+2 Cards
If it is your first Buy phase, you may payto return to your Action phase and +1 Action.
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In game using this, at the start of your Buy phase, you may discard an Action card for +
No, I had intended for them to be resolved separately, 1 at a time (which would prevent doubling up on the same action). I’m not sure how to reword it to reflect that though.
Forsaken City
Action ($3)
+2 Cards
Discard 2 cards.
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In games using this, when you discard an Action you don't have a copy of in play other than during Clean-up, you may reveal it to play it.
FAQ: When discarding multiple cards at once (such as with FC itself), you may choose the order they get played in (provided all discarded cards are not yet in play of course).
The top looks really bad for $3, but that's when the bottom sticks out to you. It essentially gives Weaver's/Village Green's reaction to anything you don't have in play. If you're able to discard 2 Actions you haven't played yet, this can act as a Lost City! But you'll quickly run out of differently named cards to play, and you always have to discard 2 cards. If anyone has a different wording to get the same idea across, that would be greatly appreciated (since I know the current one is a little long).
Is it intentional that if you discard 2 of the same Action you don't have copies of in play, you can play both of them, since you had no copies in play when they were discarded?
Forsaken City
Action ($3)
+2 Cards
Discard 2 cards.
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In games using this, when you discard an Action you don't have a copy of in play other than during Clean-up, you may reveal it to play it.
FAQ: When discarding multiple cards at once (such as with FC itself), you may choose the order they get played in (provided all discarded cards are not yet in play of course).
The top looks really bad for $3, but that's when the bottom sticks out to you. It essentially gives Weaver's/Village Green's reaction to anything you don't have in play. If you're able to discard 2 Actions you haven't played yet, this can act as a Lost City! But you'll quickly run out of differently named cards to play, and you always have to discard 2 cards. If anyone has a different wording to get the same idea across, that would be greatly appreciated (since I know the current one is a little long).
With so many good ideas already, hopefully this is competitive enough. I though about modifying Duchy an idea i have employed on more than one Project, but it seams less wordy to just make another card instead.QuoteCity Builder
$5 Action
+2 Actions; You may discard a Victory card for +2 Cards.
City Wall costs $1 less with this in play, but not less than $2.
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In games using this, include City Wall in the Kingdom.QuoteCity Wall
$5 Action - Victory
+1 Card, +1 Action
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2 Victory
update 20230126:
* Added "City Wall costs $1 less with this in play." to make City Builder a more compelling card.
* Added ", but not less than $2." to City Builder to provide a price floor.
Is City Wall also a Kingdom card that could appear in a game without City Builder accompanying it, or can it only be in the game if CB is?
It looks like i did make City Wall generic enough that it could be in any set of ten Kingdom cards, but designed it specifically to be a modified Duchy so as to reduce words on City Builder. City Builder would add City Wall as an 11th Kingdom card.
With so many good ideas already, hopefully this is competitive enough. I though about modifying Duchy an idea i have employed on more than one Project, but it seams less wordy to just make another card instead.QuoteCity Builder
$5 Action
+2 Actions; You may discard a Victory card for +2 Cards.
City Wall costs $1 less with this in play, but not less than $2.
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In games using this, include City Wall in the Kingdom.QuoteCity Wall
$5 Action - Victory
+1 Card, +1 Action
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2 Victory
update 20230126:
* Added "City Wall costs $1 less with this in play." to make City Builder a more compelling card.
* Added ", but not less than $2." to City Builder to provide a price floor.
Pilgrim - $4
Action - Liaison
+1 action
Turn your journey token over (it starts face up). Then if it's face down, +2 favour. If it's face up +2 cards and you may trash a card from your hand.
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In games using this there is an additional ally. The normal ally applies to you only when your journey token is face up, the additional ally only when it's face down.
if and only if your Journey token is face up at the end of the game?Swap Token is even worse, you get less Coins than they get and again the -1 Card difference.
My submission:Both wordings are ok, but the effect is not the same: With the first version, you do trash one card, draw one card, then trash the next card (trashing, unlike discarding, is one at a time). So with version 1, you could choose a card that you drew from trashing the first card as your second trashing target, but with version 2 arguably not.
Idk which wording to use, so I just submitted both. Same effect; draw a card for each card you trash.
My Submission:
+4 Cards
Discard a card. If it's an Action, +1 Action, otherwise, -1 Action.
In games using this, when you shuffle, pick one of the cards to trash.
What happens if I don't have any unused Actions when I get the -1 Action?
As with the coin reduction in Poor House and Souk, it can't go down below zero.
My Submission:
+4 Cards
Discard a card. If it's an Action, +1 Action, otherwise, -1 Action.
In games using this, when you shuffle, pick one of the cards to trash.
Spirit market: a black market for trashed cards. Maybe should cost 4 or 5 idk. Also has silly interactions w zombie, rogue, etc.
less." As worded, cards you buy from the trash technically stay cost reduced, since they were trashed at some point, which leads to tracking issues. Another problem with the current wording is that it makes it sound like only cards trashed specifically by Spirit Market's effect get cost reduced, which also has tracking issues.
Let's try this:
Edit: Lmao Village Green.
Archangel Hades
Action- Doom- Fate
5$
Choose one: Recieve the next hex, each other play recieves the next boon at the start of their next turn.
Choose one: Gain a gold onto your deck and +2$, gain 2 silvers to your hand, gain 5 coppers to your hand and +1 buy.
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In games using this, no player can buy gold.
Pretty extreme, but if you think about it you will see there is no real pressure, even on the copper pile. Ignorable with strong action payload, but well thats not always there. Probably pretty nice with BM, but thats ok.
Currently, I believe Duchess (which is 1e only), Charlatan, and Shaman are the only official cards that would qualify.
There's also Changeling.QuoteTrash this. Gain a copy of a card you have in play.
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In games using this, when you gain a card costing $3 or more, you may exchange it for a Changeling.
