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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 5)
« on: April 01, 2019, 04:06:41 pm »
Posting what appears to be clearly incorrect information as cold, hard facts (as I believe hes been doing all game) is at best unhelpful and at worst misleading to the point of detrimental action being taken. If the latter is on purpose, it is coming from scum.

Here is where raerae should mention hes been all but impossible to lynch this game, which continues to be a scum tell.

This.

Wrong. And I was hard to lynch because all Maquis were on me (check the end of D2). But you're both scum, so meh, I'm not going to convince you, am I?

Good job responding to the part of it that I wasn't really talking about. Why can't SK NK if we No Lynch again?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 5)
« on: April 01, 2019, 04:04:21 pm »
Really need to find the time to reread some stuff, not happening this afternoon sadly.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: April 01, 2019, 04:01:02 pm »


"Admiral Ross, we need you to send us some reinforcements. I'm down to one enlistedman as my entire senior staff," Dax says, talking to the Admiral over subspace. "Miles is used to doing 10 jobs, but this is beyond even his abilities. I'm considering drafting some civilians to cover other duties."


No recruitments, O'Brien needs to be field promoted to Captain!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 5)
« on: April 01, 2019, 03:59:50 pm »
Posting what appears to be clearly incorrect information as cold, hard facts (as I believe hes been doing all game) is at best unhelpful and at worst misleading to the point of detrimental action being taken. If the latter is on purpose, it is coming from scum.

Here is where raerae should mention hes been all but impossible to lynch this game, which continues to be a scum tell.

This.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: April 01, 2019, 03:55:36 pm »
I don't fully understand why he didn't target anyone last night for a chance to be able to confirm to himself, WCD and Ash that this is the case.

It wasn't a strategic decision.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: April 01, 2019, 03:54:24 pm »
I think I'm convinced that NL is more or less unwinnable for town, but quite good for Maquis.

I agree with this, which is also my argument against lynching Dax regardless of alignment.

I mean, I think we can all agree that scum lynch>no lynch>mislynch.

The point of my theorizing is we can fully control only one of those things.
This is equally true literally every day, it's still not an argument for No Lynch being preferable.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 05:09:26 pm »
But what would your read on Ash be, in that case?

And stop identifying not wanting to turbolynch Garak based on how you think they used their role with a Garak lynch being unthinkable. Don't strawman me, bro.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:36:08 pm »
*Without loss of generality

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:35:45 pm »
MiX: let's assume Ash claims (WLOG) Yates. What is your read on Ash in that case?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:32:47 pm »
My biggest problem with MiX here is that I thought he got this stuff earlier but is now pushing for the unthinking Garak lynch.

His thoughts on Garak have been all over the place all game, but largely focussed around lynching without having to build a case on whomever the player was. That's another reason I was screwing around with acting Garak like Yesterday.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:30:46 pm »
Garak could have used his power earlier, trying to snipe redirect an NK like I talked about earlier in the game. That's not something only scum would have done. It's certainly not a scumclaim as you're implying.

If Dax is scum then she doesn't force a no kill, although scum could always choose not to kill.

I do agree PR luck could help us here, but don't think we should be lynching assuming how it plays out.

Lynching Dax is catastrophic.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:14:50 pm »
MiX wanting to autolynch Garak is scummy as hell.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:13:25 pm »
Or SK, but then it doesn't really matter to NK math anyway.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:13:04 pm »
I don't think it's worth considering Dax's deathproof in this, because Dax is just as likely to be maquis as anyone else and then we're in the same boat with a no lynch again, etc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:11:41 pm »
MiX: why can't you scumread Space for it?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:10:40 pm »
I think that all makes sense, usually  try to think through these things before clicking post, but god damn tab button.

Anyway, that doesn't consider the chances of no lynching and SK shooting town, which is even worse. We lynch today.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:09:29 pm »
25% lynch maquis -> SK shoots town -> 1 town, 1 SK -> SK victory

I'm strongly opposed to no lynch

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:08:44 pm »
stbrsacbecruntauo damn it

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 04:08:33 pm »
6 alive: 3 town, 2 maquis, 1 SK with very high probability, enough that I'm willing to just assume that.

No lynch-> SK shoots maquis, maquis shoots SK (best case) -> 3 town, 1 maquis, 1 SK, maquis know the SK. We can try to read interactions into successfully lynching the SK, which is maquis best chance to win but the surviving maquis can't be too obvious about it.

No lynch-> SK shoots maquis, masquis shoots town (best likely case) -> 2 town, 1 maquis, 1 SK -> have to lynch
   50% Lynch town -> SK victory
   25% Lynch SK -> Maquis shoots town -> 1 town, 1 maquis - >Maquis victory


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 31, 2019, 03:59:09 pm »
Hey, I'm alive, I'm honestly not up to posting much or reading anything today. I didn't submit a night action last night. Not that it matters.

I'll review the end of the day (did it end early or did I lose track of time) tonight or tomorrow or something and comment on that. Just, whatever, I'm here, I'm not dead.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 27, 2019, 01:03:59 pm »
The joke here is that we were right, you were wrong, yet you want to play the "I told you so" card. So, tell me, when were you right and can you provide quotes of when you said that?

EFHW, I'm touched. But I still think you're scum. Alas, you're probably going to die tonight...so I shouldn't bother.

My first response to this violates the civility pledge, so I'm out for a few hours.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 27, 2019, 01:03:20 pm »
I would like UoS to clarify some things.

1st you soft-claimed Garak.
Then you claimed O'Brian.
Then you said it was a mistake for me to claim.

Why did you soft-claim in the first place? And why Garak? Did you realize that's how your post sounded? You say my claim was a mistake, but it has actually been very helpful to the POE today. You can have your opinion, of course, but I'm confused why you think that when you were the one to revive the claiming topic.

You said you were trying to protect Worf. How? Don't you think it was already pretty obvious I was Worf?

Why don't you think your role is valuable? Are you convinced there is no MU and if so, when did you decide that? Also, did you not see that your results made faust IC?

I was trying to screw with people trying to POE Garak, obviously. I do think it was a mistake for you to claim, as I've already explained at length. I certainly didn't force anyone to claim, and when I actually claim I claim explicitly so there's no reason that should have made you feel pressured to claim. I explicitly didn't want you to claim and that was the whole point of a lot of what I was doing. It's better for me to be the NK than you here.

It does at least save me trying to find a way to soft my 3 innocents, which I'd have had to do before the end of the day otherwise.

I'm reasonably convinced there is not MU, although it's possible, and I was convinced of that when I got another negative result and neither NK was on MU.

I think faust was pretty damn IC without my claim anyway. I wouldn't have wanted to lynch him today even without my result if you'd claimed your result, and really I'd been coming around on his towniness over the night anyway.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 27, 2019, 12:57:14 pm »
*know he can't be, and that makes this whole thing more frustrating.

(stupid tab button)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« on: March 27, 2019, 12:56:35 pm »
I think a few Itoldyousos are warranted when everyone spends the entire game ignoring me and blindly sheeping faust while multiple people lament the impossibility of ever lynching scum and want to claim because how could we ever proceed with scumhunting without just lynching people based on claims?

And now everyone has dropped that which is on one hand a return to sanity but why were they saying that stuff in the first place?

I really deeply want faust to be scum here, I know he can

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« on: March 26, 2019, 04:21:21 pm »
This is all the reasoning I can find on MiX's e vote, admittedly didn't search exhaustively but I just reread that section of the game and the initial vote is in a post talking about other stuff. Just want this quoted for reference.

Space/MiX, could you two summarize the e case for me?

Well, I think e's scummy mostly out of a gut read: it seems that everyone I put in my "towny but not 100% town" list is scum: in M121 ss and Uncle were there (and arishipshape was even higher) and I ended D2 with shraeye as the single person in it...and now e's there. Otherwise I'm simply sheeping faust, I really like his case, it makes perfect sense...except the hammer that is, he could be a cop for all we know and wanted to not get NKd. But the rest's good. Now that I think about it, what has e done D2 and D3? I don't remember much. Well, D2 he started the lighting faust wagon but what else? I feel like town!e would be doing much, MUCH more but I'll need to reread that.

What do you think of faust?

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