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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M125: Poker Mafia! - All Full Up - Delayed Start
« on: October 15, 2019, 03:29:30 pm »
/tag to follow along with this wonderful cast of characters!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:33:43 pm »
efhw I'm guessing

Sorry dude. You and Robz being on opposite sides for so long and I had an early town read on EFHW, I grew wary when she was questioning me, hmm.

Yea it worked out really really well that efhw got you and a few other townies to town read her pretty strongly and I got a completely different group of townies to town read me so we could play against each other and make sure it wasnít actually one of us that got lynched.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:31:49 pm »
e did you really vote for yourself for those duels? I am very interested to hear scum's perspective on the dueling mechanic

He did!!! It made fake scum reading him easy for me lolol then joth and glooble and a bunch of other townies voted for duels with themselves and I got to back off which was even nicer.

We felt like if we could prevent all duels that would be best because we felt we could win a total vanilla game and the prís would be more dangerous than anything else.

It was nice to not have to scumhunt when duels did get accepted. I think town didnít scumhunt enough during the pre duel phase of each day, we all just chilled out until the duel was proposed and that gave scum a really easy dialog to navigate.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:22:57 pm »
I had a different model with e, mcmc in 80% of scum teams, so are you all both scum?

Yea me, e, and efhw. Powerhouse scum team

I kinda want to throw my mvp tick to joseph lol, we did shoot joth but we werenít sure we hit the jk or not until joseph outed him. Then we could use our strongman to get him.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:21:07 pm »
I need to stop townreading you like, ever

Yea I forgive you in advance for scum reading me the next 20 games.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:15:53 pm »
Save it for night chat.

If you're town there's not going to be another night.

But you're not town, are you?

He is, I tried to keep you around one more day :)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 09:14:14 pm »
vote: adk

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 04:40:16 pm »
Joseph you should reveal all your reads. We have no pr, you are almost certainly dead tonight. Letís hope we get a favorable duel tomorrow, I donít think we are in the most dire of situations.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 12, 2019, 04:36:53 pm »
vote: efhw

I also think itís robz/efhw/(debate/e) I donít want to reveal which one I think is more likely between debate and e.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 03:35:48 pm »
Debate are you excluding anyone who has voted for each other from being potential scum partners or are you only factoring in times where bussing would not be a possibility?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« on: October 09, 2019, 03:33:32 pm »
Why are you townie on ADK? (Of course, you could respond my asking why I lean scum on ADK, and then I would have to supply a reason!)

It started because of how similar his thought process about the game has been. Specifically D1 the way he initially thought about dueling and then factored in odds/pr and then came back around to the initial vote based on reads assessment felt authentic and towny.
He has questioned and engaged me in a very ďI understand what your saying, I feel this way, now letís make a conclusion from this interactionĒ which feels extremely like a town player understanding you. I typically get a slight misrepresentation or piggyback feeling when scum engages with something Iím saying since Iím usually opinionated enough for scum to lean one way or the other.

The other major reason is how he reacted to the joth/joseph situation. He again posted clear thoughts corrected mine when I made some misstatements about how plausible the scum!jospeh conspiracy was and did it in a very towny way. He agreed with me on how scummy datswans retelling of the discussion he and I had was and nothing since then has really changed my thoughts.

So in summary heís thought most of what I have, engaged me in a towny way, and never really felt like he was buddying me.

So yea why do people find him scummy?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 09, 2019, 01:25:18 pm »

My biggest fear is this is town v town because my scum reads are being really hedgy about their votes.

Who are hedgy scum reads?

Robz and efhw

On top of the hedgyness the fact that they are now pushing this narrative that both e and awaclus are scum seems extremely silly.

My biggest concern with lynching awaclus is the fact that I donít think this is how scum!robz treats scum!awaclus. It looks more like scum!robz reacting to a duel on town!awaclus and town!e

This is not the point in the game where scum!robz busses a partner unless he has to and this isnít the way he would do it if he did have to.

@mcmc - where are you at on robz and efhw now that awaclus has flipped town?

So actually the awaclus town flip didnít change my reads on robz and efhw much.

I think robz is scummy but I donít really think he is scum partners with e. The way he played yesterday indicates either uncertain town!robz or scum!robz looking at town!e and town!awaclus.

Itís actually europe flipping town that is more illuminating because he was a huge null read and now figuring out what pairingís of who can and canít be scum together is a lot easier to figure out.

I think robz and efhw could easily be partners, they both talked a decent amount without pushing much yesterday and ended up split on what could easily have been a town v town duel.

On the other hand like I said robz could be uncertain town which would leave efhw, e, debate, and adk.

I could see a world where scum!efhw was bussing scum!e yesterday but I purposefully tried not to tip my hand as to which way I was leaning on awaclus/e early so that there was no way efhw knew it was safe to vote e if he is in fact her partner so itís a risky bus if it was one.

I have been townreading adk pretty much all game, itís my strongest read and none of the recent flips have really changed that. I will have to do some major rereading of adk later today to make sure Iím not just tunneling an early townread.

Super null on debate so I need to do rereading there as well because right now he just doesnít raise any red flags but isnít excluded from any partner groups.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 04, 2019, 09:53:01 pm »
Awaclus will you tell us how you voted in each duel and why?

I guess I might as well. I voted yes on the joth vs Glooble duel, and that was the only one.

So you didn't vote in the ADK vs E duel, voted yes to the joth vs glooble due, didnt vote again for the Joseph vs ADK duel and then voted no this duel...

Vote: awaclus

Thats the hammer.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 04, 2019, 11:58:54 am »
Awaclus will you tell us how you voted in each duel and why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 04, 2019, 11:50:59 am »
Um, read it again. I was arguing against their both being scum.

You are right, you simply added to the discussion and did not really push the narrative.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 04, 2019, 11:49:43 am »

My biggest fear is this is town v town because my scum reads are being really hedgy about their votes.

Who are hedgy scum reads?

Robz and efhw

On top of the hedgyness the fact that they are now pushing this narrative that both e and awaclus are scum seems extremely silly.

My biggest concern with lynching awaclus is the fact that I donít think this is how scum!robz treats scum!awaclus. It looks more like scum!robz reacting to a duel on town!awaclus and town!e

This is not the point in the game where scum!robz busses a partner unless he has to and this isnít the way he would do it if he did have to.

I don't know that I am "pushing this narrative" that both e and Awaclus are scum. At this point it's a statistical possibility and not something to be automatically discounted, unlikely though it is. This is sloppier analysis than we usually see from you, mcmc!

Yea I agree itís not a not possible. I think my initial reaction to that is just due to the fact that I am having a hard time finding anything concrete enough to say awaclus or e are scum. So the idea that they are both scum felt like you pushing general scumminess over a specific case which I get is as you have said because you donít really have a specific case which is understandable:

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 09:34:36 pm »

My biggest fear is this is town v town because my scum reads are being really hedgy about their votes.

Who are hedgy scum reads?

Robz and efhw

On top of the hedgyness the fact that they are now pushing this narrative that both e and awaclus are scum seems extremely silly.

My biggest concern with lynching awaclus is the fact that I donít think this is how scum!robz treats scum!awaclus. It looks more like scum!robz reacting to a duel on town!awaclus and town!e

This is not the point in the game where scum!robz busses a partner unless he has to and this isnít the way he would do it if he did have to.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 02:13:04 pm »
so I reread awaclus, and itís not an overly towny read.

I agree with adk both robz and e have been overly framing awaclus as more anti-duel then he ever has been. The scummy part is that he has just ignored all attempts to get him to tell us how he voted on previous duels. Itís unlike town!awaclus to silently protest something the group is doing.

My biggest fear is this is town v town because my scum reads are being really hedgy about their votes. Blegh Iím really hedgy too though because of how weak my reads are on these two so maybe I am reading too much into that this is just a weirdly null duel pairing and neither of the duelists are lobbying hard against the other one.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 03, 2019, 12:09:09 pm »
Vote: Awaclus
Want to give your reasoning?


I just reread awaclus, I have my thoughts ready but I want to hear from robz first.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 01, 2019, 12:34:21 pm »
So robz and joseph why do you guys lean awaclus over E.

I donít think awaclus has played out of the ordinary this game but I definitely need to reread him. E hasnít done anything to strike me as towny and the voting for two duels that includes himself feels a lot like the whole ďIím so blue Iíll vote no to go on this missionĒ from Avalon. But idk, joth and glooble both voted yes to duels that included themselves and we really want the pr. I guess maybe itís scummier that awaclus voted no for the duel but doesnít have a town read on e

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 30, 2019, 11:00:41 pm »
Iím super busy, should have time tomorrow. I did not get back in time to vote

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 26, 2019, 11:45:41 pm »
So I am going to be gone on a camping trip and may not be back in time for the duel. I am getting back on Sunday but o donít know how fast we will hike out and when I get service again.

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Forum Games / Re: Vacation/Limited Access announcements
« on: September 26, 2019, 11:43:11 pm »
Leaving to go camping tomorrow morning and will not be back until Sunday the 29th midday

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 24, 2019, 03:08:45 pm »
Vote Count 3.3

DatSwan (5): mcmcsalot, A Drowned Kernel, Joseph2302, e, Awaclus
A Drowned Kernel (3): Uncleeurope, Debatepro, EFHW
Joseph2302 (1): DatSwan

Not Voting (2): Robz888, jotheonah

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Sep. 27, 18:00 forum time. That is in 3 days and 4+ hours.

Well well well. The Swan lynch is not a fait accompli after all. Robz and I together could make ADK happen. What do you think about that Robz? Better or worse than Swan?
I don't really get the ADK wagon if I'm honest. For me, e or Robz would be my preferred alt wagon

I 100% agree with this, the adk wagon is bad. Sorry Iím behind and probably cant catchup until much later today or tomorrow but whoa boy.

Someone do some research anyone willing to lynch adk who voted against the duel is pretty anti-town unless their read on adk has flipped quite dramatically since pre duel

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 22, 2019, 02:12:58 pm »
Town!joseph has a 1 in 10 chance of hitting the jk.

But for scum!joseph, if Joth was the NK, had a 50/50 shot that unsuccessful NK means Joth was JK or VT.

No as Iíve explained before itís more complex than 50/50 because if scum shoots joth and there is no nk joth could be jk, joth could have been protected by the jk, or the scum that shot could have been jailkept. Scum!joseph doesnít know the how the kill was prevented.

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