So tables and mail-mi each look at a room of their own choosing.
And to decide where the other four should look:
Qvist: C2
TA: D3
hyramgraff: B3
Liopoil: C4
I chose these myself because they don't really matter.
sound good?
sounds good.
question: do the guards know who their partner is? can they talk to that player? and there are definitely 2 guards right?
Kuildeous, do you allow verifiable-random in your games?
When we program moves, do we program "Look", or "Look - C2"?
Also there's definitely 2 guards, right?
It doesn't really matter which of qvist-lio and mail-mi-tables reveals first.
C2 is red.
qvist can confirm this, and everyone else can reveal what color their room is.
Depending on B3 and D3, we should maybe split up 2/2/2, that seems to make the most sense.
I guess you could go to B1 or D1, and then we look at C1 and you look in the corner. Then somebody needs to look at D3 though, because it might become room 25.
Okay, I guess I can say this:
I plan on moving into C2, which is red. That's why I think qvist should go to C1, so that I know there is a green room right there. I will move into C1 with my first action next round (qvist will be going last at that point, so it will be before him, and we'll go somewhere else.)
So qvist and I will go off to explore. I agree that a 2-2-2 split is bad. So, I think we should split 2-3-1. Qvist and I will be the 2. 3 people should go into the other green room, and the last person goes to the yellow room?
I can't do two look actions right?
C'mon vision chamber.
Audience, please take the voting doohickey from under your seat and vote on what liopoil should doI can't do anything! I'm drowwwwnnnnninnggggg....
I don't hugely like this. There's reasonable odds of scum in here now, is the main issue. 70% chance one of you two is a guard, but a 10% chance both are. Which I think makes it too dangeous to announce look results immediately.If you feel that your look should be said, say it. Otherwise, don't.
Does anyone (especially you two in the room with me) have any thoughts on that? Should we risk the guards killing us, or focus on self preservation?
I don't hugely like this. There's reasonable odds of scum in here now, is the main issue. 70% chance one of you two is a guard, but a 10% chance both are. Which I think makes it too dangeous to announce look results immediately.
Does anyone (especially you two in the room with me) have any thoughts on that? Should we risk the guards killing us, or focus on self preservation?
I'll look at B2 on my turn.
Wait, why did Qvist look in C1 rather than A1? A1 could be room 25, C1 can't be...wouldn't it be better to check out A1 there?
Turn -9
Move Look
Waiting for actions programmed by Qvist and mail-mi.
I think it doesn't really matter as long as you don't move Tables' row so that mai-mi can savely go to the central room if necessary.I have to control anyway. Shoot.
And the rooms move some more.+1 for 911 posts.
Qvist looks warily around. The screams of TwistedArcher still reverberates throughout.
Where is Qvist looking?
Prodding Qvist.
Prodding Qvist.
Hey, it's not even 24 hours, some people work and sleep.
I look at A1
I'll move to... B3.
Qvist, where are you moving to?
What if I swap to A5, then we can each look at the ones we are both adjacent to, then you can move?Sounds good.
mail-mi: why did you look at A4 twice?Because I forgot I had. Then after I got the message in the QT I did a mental facepalm.
Also, I'm leaning towards looking at B1. I'll let people weigh in before I finalize my choice.
mail-mi: why did you look at A4 twice?
Also, I'm leaning towards looking at B1. I'll let people weigh in before I finalize my choice.
mail-mi: why did you look at A4 twice?
Also, I'm leaning towards looking at B1. I'll let people weigh in before I finalize my choice.
mail-mi: why did you look at A4 twice?
Also, I'm leaning towards looking at B1. I'll let people weigh in before I finalize my choice.
It's because he's a guard making intentionally suboptimal moves. I suggest locating a nearby mortal chamber for him with maximum speed.
Note that Tables is a guard. So it's probably a combination of sarcasm and suggestion that we should kill you since chances are you're a prisoner and then he'd win :)Another facepalm. I forgot he was a guard. I have been away from this game for too long.
Note that Tables is a guard. So it's probably a combination of sarcasm and suggestion that we should kill you since chances are you're a prisoner and then he'd win :)
Tables: should I tell you what color it is?whaaaaat?
to double check, the guards don't know who each other are, right?
MoveB4B1 exchange C4
Alright, so chances are reasonably good that hyramgraff is the other guard. He wanted me to switch the illusion chamber that he stuck in front of me with B2 which only he had seen. If I can look into B2 I could confirm it.
Right now:
B5 and D1(Yellow) are known by only liopoil, and B2(Red) and D4 are known by only hyramgraff.
In order for B2 to be safe and red it has to be an acid bath.
Also hyramgraff wasted a free look at ANY room in order to look at the room next to him. It seems like a prisoner would have been more interested in looking farther away trying to find room 25.
Anyways, anyone have any good ideas about what we should do?
I have some ideas, not sure how open to be about stuff here. Telling hyramgraff that B1 was green was obviously a mistake, and I don't want to screw things up again. Fortunately liopoil/mail-mi are the only ones who act before my first action, and I think you're both more likely to be prisoners.
I'm going to move into the Moving chamber, switch with D2, then take a look-see.
Well I was gonna look in those rooms to find room 25.I'm going to move into the Moving chamber, switch with D2, then take a look-see.
Moving to D2 seems to be a bit too close to Tables for comfort. Maybe D1, E1 or E2 would be better instead.
Well I was gonna look in those rooms to find room 25.I'm going to move into the Moving chamber, switch with D2, then take a look-see.
Moving to D2 seems to be a bit too close to Tables for comfort. Maybe D1, E1 or E2 would be better instead.
Well okay ill move somewhere else then.Well I was gonna look in those rooms to find room 25.I'm going to move into the Moving chamber, switch with D2, then take a look-see.
Moving to D2 seems to be a bit too close to Tables for comfort. Maybe D1, E1 or E2 would be better instead.
I've got a control programmed. You might not be next to those rooms for very long.
It looks to me like moving Row 4 right is your best move here. Puts you in a position to scout a couple more rooms, puts Tables out of position.
Moving into the control room would make it possible for you or theorel to push the other person into a red room. Because of that, I would shift column B to avoid that.The flooded chamber is locked isn't it?
Moving into the control room would make it possible for you or theorel to push the other person into a red room. Because of that, I would shift column B to avoid that.The flooded chamber is locked isn't it?
Shift Column D down seems like the best option to me.You're not in column D
Look: D3Is C5 safe?
Anybody happen to know what rooms we currently know?
I know hyramgraff and myself have looked at B1. (known Red)
liopoil's looked at C5 (mediocre, not recommended)
mail-mi's looked at E2 (Not interesting)
I'm pretty sure some other rooms have been looked at and not divulged. I can go back and track them tomorrow if needed, but if people remember that would be easier.
Well that was very unexpected.
Well that was very unexpected.
If you're not being sarcastic, then what were you expecting? It was fairly obvious (to me) that you were targeting me.
No reason to go into C5. D3 is red.But can I? I'm going to control myself down there, then move into the illusion chamber and switch.
don't go into C5.No reason to go into C5. D3 is red.But can I? I'm going to control myself down there, then move into the illusion chamber and switch.
Okay, retracked everything. For everyone's reference:
X R N T E
X O F X ?
M E C ? X
Y D E V E
E F ? I A
B1=red-not instant death-according to theorel/hyramgraff
A4=yellow-according to liopoil. Back when it was D1, like turn 3.
E2=mail-mi has looked here
D3=liopoil has looked here
C5=liopoil has looked here
Other letters are revealed rooms, you can check the map for those.
There are a total of 4 rooms no one has looked at.
Mostly liopoil has seen stuff that's not revealed.
liopoil and mail-mi both claim to have seen a non-interesting room.
liopoil: you've looked at 2 rooms, could you tell us the colors of those 2 rooms in no particular order?
how exactly does the illusion chamber work? I don't move, but I switch with a hidden room? dangerous...
ugh. :( Move: D5, switch with A4
Oh, hyramgraff just looked in E4.
Okay, actually, I kind of like the following plan, but obviously both hyramgraff and liopoil would need to be on board for it:
hyram controls 5 right, I control A up.
hyram looks in A5 (currently A1), and liopoil moves into whichever of D5 and E4 is "safe".
I think this requires minimal trust, and gets good use out of our turns.
If hyram doesn't move 5 right, then liopoil can move to the vision chamber.
If I don't move A up, hyram wastes an action.
If hyram doesn't look in A5, he could move into my space, and then I act before him and besides I'd be surrounded by empty/safe rooms.
liopoil is forced to move into D5 or E4 which could be trapped/acid bath.
liopoil goes first next round, so he can move into the vision chamber then.
Let's see, analyzing the situation where I'm a guard...
if I didn't move A up, I'd have 2 actions that I could use to mess things up...
If E4 is an acid bath, AND I control 4 left, I could move into the acid bath and kill liopoil.
So, if E4 is an acid bath, hyramgraff should not go through with this. Otherwise though, I think it would work.
What's nice about this is, if hyram's a guard we reveal room E4 which might be an unannounced Room 25 (that would mean he wouldn't go along with it though).
If liopoil's a guard we might be forcing him to reveal C5, since E4 could be the mortal chamber.
Otherwise, this is essentially the same as hyram moving into the vision chamber and looking at A1.
okay, I don't think anyone should program anything until we've all agreed on a plan at least for this round. let's figure this thing out.
Move A4
Okay, so we've seen everything now...
Anyone seen our exit?
Move A4
Okay, so we've seen everything now...
Anyone seen our exit?
That's a known flooded chamber, you shouldn't be able to move there.
Oh, and hyram's already claimed also...No. I have not. C2 is yeellow and E2 (3?) is red.
So...that leaves mail-mi. Seen Room 25? Or is somebody lying? (noting that if the guard hasn't seen Room 25 no one needs to lie)
we have 2 more rounds after this right?
We have this round, then mail-mi starting, then me starting...then boom.
B5 is NOT room 25.It is not.
mail-mi you looked at D3 right? So...is it Room 25, or is liopoil confirmed prisoner?
Okay, so I'm thinking of controlling 5 left. Then I can use the Vision chamber to start next round and confirm the location of Room 25.and control it out of the prison.
Then we just need to get everybody into Room 25 without mail-mi killing us right?
No, that's a bad plan...mail-mi could do E down and I'd die if I moved. Hmm...
I think I should get over there at any rate...so I think shifting left is still the right move.
maybe hyram could shift down, then I'm not in danger if I program a move, and hyram can use the moving chamber if mail-mi controls down...otherwise, hyram can use the control room to some positive effect?
That seems vaguely reasonable. So, I'll make a control left tomorrow morning unless someone thinks I should do otherwise.
So, I've been trying to figure out if how we could win...
and I've got nothing. There's a couple possibilities depending on what mail-mi does assuming E3 is Room 25. But ultimately, I think he can stop us if he picks right.
Anybody else have any ideas?
So, program your next turn. Mail-mi claimed he's a guard, but it's not official until he reveals his role on his turn (assuming he is indeed a guard).
okay, so assuming you both went along with my suggestion and did control/moves...here's what my plan was (if old E3 was Room 25 it should work)I looked at D2 being room 25 a lot, it looks bad if that is the case. I doubt it is.
We all control down. At the end of this old-E3 will be E1. I'll be in E3, liopoil in E2 and hyram in D1.
mail-mi will be down at E5...he can't control only move/look/push all of which are useless.
I'll move into the vision chamber (E2) for my action, this nicely confirms that E1 is Room 25. If not, well...we can try to work it out for D3 (old D2)
Then you can both move in there on your action. Next round I move in and liopoil takes us out of the board.
Also, the result of all of my analysis was that I had to match mail-mi's action. If he controlled I had to control, if he moved I had to move. That was true if E3 was Room 25. I never really analyzed the possibility for D2 as Room 25, because I couldn't even guarantee an E3-win...but splitting off from mail-mi seemed best regardless.
Congrats, prisoners!!
I've been watching this whole game with great interest and would love to join if/when it revs up again.