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Archive => Archive => Innovation General Discussion => Topic started by: HB on March 17, 2013, 09:42:33 am
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teasel, but you had the worst possible luck.
(http://img.badposts.org/images/innovation.png)
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This was the first meme in the innovation meme thread. (And now I get it :D )
the dominion thread was fun,let's have an innovation one ;D
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/36239173.jpg)
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It happens. It's probably not the worst lucksack possible in the game, though. Playing a weak opening against Domestication/Clothing, and failing to draw any colors to block Monumental Clothing, and insta losing, strikes me as sadder because you didn't have any chance at all to avoid it.
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This was the first meme in the innovation meme thread. (And now I get it :D )
the dominion thread was fun,let's have an innovation one ;D
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/36239173.jpg)
yeah i made that when an opponent pulled the same and now the joke is on me :(
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It happens. It's probably not the worst lucksack possible in the game, though. Playing a weak opening against Domestication/Clothing, and failing to draw any colors to block Monumental Clothing, and insta losing, strikes me as sadder because you didn't have any chance at all to avoid it.
my very next game
(http://img.badposts.org/images/innovayyy.png)
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I think I need to say sorry to this person, too (quite old log)
http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201301/19/game-20130119-070301-ac79487c.html
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I don't see anything unusual in there..
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I did notice that Metalworking was shared in that game. I generally consider that too much of a risk (I have gotten Monument from sharing my opponents dogma before). Other than that it just looks like a Fermentation/Reformation draw and tuck engine.
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I didn't save the log or a screenshot, but I just had a game where I was threatening to win once I melded a 6, after scoring a bunch with Coal. There were still a bunch of Age 5 cards left to draw and my opponent had a decent tech and icon lead as I had been scoring most of my board. He jumps up even further in tech and ends his turn having drawn a 10, Bioengineering, which would win the game for him if he could get it down.
I looked at the Archery in my hand, checked the Castle balance, then melded and activated Archery to steal his Bioengineering.
(We played a rematch and I crushed him with a Reformation/Fermenting engine, for which I'm also sorry, but that kind of thing happens all the time).
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This was the first meme in the innovation meme thread. (And now I get it :D )
the dominion thread was fun,let's have an innovation one ;D
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/36239173.jpg)
What's even nastier about the game in the screenshot is that he didn't intend to activate Software - he activated Computers and was forced to meld and activate the Software. That's even more worthy of that bad-luck-kid (I don't know his "official" name) meme.
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So Innovation teaches us that it's dangerous to meddle with computers, because we risk Skynet when all humans lose, but the one with the lowest score loses the least, so is the winner, sort of?
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(http://img.badposts.org/images/innovajkj.png)
this was pretty funny
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If we ever make a version of Council Room for Innovation, I think it'd have to be named Metalworking Monument
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(http://img.badposts.org/images/innovaete.png)
oh man i love industrialization
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Industrialization is a trap. Anytime I or my opponents have spammed it more than twice they've lost. I won my last game because my opponent spammed it until the 9s were low, then I STOLE it from him and forcibly shared it (I only had 2 [factory] icons) to make him run out the 10s thru even more tucking to make a score win for me.
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Well, if you get industrialization and have a healthy score lead, the game is basically over. Especially if you can share it. I think it's a pretty annoying card.
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Sorry metathuhlu, this game went, um, rather well. I'm still getting this figured out but winning on achievements on turn 8 is pretty good, right?
(And yeah, it turns out Metalworking scoring 9 cards on turn 2 is pretty broken.)
http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201303/31/game-20130331-120113-b6319187.html
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Sorry metathuhlu, this game went, um, rather well. I'm still getting this figured out but winning on achievements on turn 8 is pretty good, right?
(And yeah, it turns out Metalworking scoring 9 cards on turn 2 is pretty broken.)
http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201303/31/game-20130331-120113-b6319187.html
Anybody seen anything faster? Queue puzzle thread for "fastest way to legitimately win".
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my opponent shared metalworking,i scored 6 card got monument and reached a score of 30,and he scored nothing,try to beat that :P
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I'm sorry for managing to spend the whole game melding blue cards, then getting genetics to score them all and give you no hope http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201304/01/game-20130401-111346-26974496.html
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This game got out of hand quickly, and my misplay of clothing still ended up alright.
Another funny thing with clothing: Scored six cards, but had already gotten monument from masonry.
http://innovation.isotropic.org/gamelog/201304/02/game-20130402-101620-41a6fd70.html
Probably my best innovation luck yet.
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He got unlucky earlier in the game and then this. This has got to be the most painful way to lose an Innovation game: you can't draw, or you lose the game; you can't activate a dogma, or you will share, and draw a card as a bonus from the sharing, and lose the game; the only thing to do is to meaninglessly meld your cards, but the game just doesn't end.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16948609/thathurts.png)
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oh man i love industrialization
Too bad empiricism is somewhere down right.
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He got unlucky earlier in the game and then this. This has got to be the most painful way to lose an Innovation game: you can't draw, or you lose the game; you can't activate a dogma, or you will share, and draw a card as a bonus from the sharing, and lose the game; the only thing to do is to meaninglessly meld your cards, but the game just doesn't end.
You should have activated Banking meaninglessly twice on two turns to force him to lose the game when he draws.
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He got unlucky earlier in the game and then this. This has got to be the most painful way to lose an Innovation game: you can't draw, or you lose the game; you can't activate a dogma, or you will share, and draw a card as a bonus from the sharing, and lose the game; the only thing to do is to meaninglessly meld your cards, but the game just doesn't end.
You should have activated Banking meaninglessly twice on two turns to force him to lose the game when he draws.
That doesn't work
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Why not?
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He got unlucky earlier in the game and then this. This has got to be the most painful way to lose an Innovation game: you can't draw, or you lose the game; you can't activate a dogma, or you will share, and draw a card as a bonus from the sharing, and lose the game; the only thing to do is to meaninglessly meld your cards, but the game just doesn't end.
You should have activated Banking meaninglessly twice on two turns to force him to lose the game when he draws.
That doesn't work
Yup, that's the point. The Banking doesn't work so I could've just wasted my actions on it, eventually forcing him to either draw a card or activate a dogma. The thought actually did cross my mind at that time, but I decided not to be a dickhead.
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He has publications and 8's in hand. I can't see everything, but its conceivable he could win.
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He has publications and 8's in hand. I can't see everything, but its conceivable he could win.
He can't activate Publications though, or he would share and attempt to draw a [11]. I didn't check the log to see what was in his hand (and because I don't remember all the cards yet, I only keep track of the important ones), but since he didn't meld anything useful on his turn 15, probably there was nothing useful in his hand.
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He has publications and 8's in hand. I can't see everything, but its conceivable he could win.
He can't activate Publications though, or he would share and attempt to draw a [11]. I didn't check the log to see what was in his hand (and because I don't remember all the cards yet, I only keep track of the important ones), but since he didn't meld anything useful on his turn 15, probably there was nothing useful in his hand.
That might be giving him too much credit, you're talking about the same guy who managed to find his way into such a dismal board state..
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He has publications and 8's in hand. I can't see everything, but its conceivable he could win.
He can't activate Publications though, or he would share and attempt to draw a [11]. I didn't check the log to see what was in his hand (and because I don't remember all the cards yet, I only keep track of the important ones), but since he didn't meld anything useful on his turn 15, probably there was nothing useful in his hand.
That might be giving him too much credit, you're talking about the same guy who managed to find his way into such a dismal board state..
He indeed was on a lower level than me, but I don't think he was *that* bad (also I don't think I'm that good). Knowing what to do when you don't have a clear goal and there are lots of options is difficult, but when there's only one thing you can possibly do, it isn't that difficult to tell whether or not you can do it or not*. Also, he Math'd into a Printing Press with an empty score pile earlier, which was partly bad play (not being prepared for a possible PP) but mostly bad luck.
*EDIT: Well, that was one funny sentence. I'll just leave it like that.
EDIT 2: Checked the log. Cards in his hand were Quantum Theory and Mass Media. I had a Sailing in my hand so both cards would've caused him to draw a card.