| (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/a/ae/Ruined_Village.jpg/200px-Ruined_Village.jpg) | #5 Ruined Village (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 4.9% / Median: 0% / Mode: 0% / Standard Deviation: 11.3% Highest Value(s): 50% (1x), 25% (5x) / Lowest Value(s): 0% (33x) There is no doubt. This is the worst Ruin you can possibly get. Almost everyone voted it last. This Ruin is the card which is closest to Confusion, a dead card with no effect which DXV wanted to publish originally. This card gives also mostly no benefit and there is mostly no need to play it beside some edge cases e.g. when you want to lower the cost of Peddler, activate a Conspirator, lower the hand size for Watchtower/Library or raise the value of Horn of Plenty. You could also play Throne Room or King's Court on it if you are in desperate need for a village to play other Action cards, but often you just better play Throne Room or King's Court on these Action cards. |
| (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/f/fe/Ruined_Library.jpg/200px-Ruined_Library.jpg) | #4 Ruined Library (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 43.8% / Median: 50% / Mode: 25% / Standard Deviation: 24.6% Highest Value(s): 100% (1x), 75% (9x) / Lowest Value(s): 0% (3x) All other Ruins were really close together. This one is still clearly deserved on #4 with 14 times a value of 25%. Ruined Libary itself also doesn't give you any benefit. You just only draw the card you would have drawn anyway. And if you have only 1 Action left you could also draw that Action dead. So this is only worth playing if you have a spare Action left. Then you have at least mitigated the bad effect of this Ruin. Of course you could also play Throne Room or King's Court on it to draw multiple cards if you're really desperate. |
| (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/7/7a/Survivors.jpg/200px-Survivors.jpg) | #3 Survivors (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 61.7% / Median: 50% / Mode: 100% / Standard Deviation: 30.3% Highest Value(s): 100% (13x) / Lowest Value(s): 25% (10x) The battle for the least worst Ruin was really close. Survivors is only third despite being the only Ruin not getting once 0%. Even it's mode is 100% with 13 players voted it there. Survivors is the only not +1 X Ruin. In a hand with one of all 5 Ruins, this is probably the one you want to play as this turn is dead anyway, so you can at least prepare the next one. So, it can be quite handy. Imagine you normally - without this Ruin - would have drawn an Estate, but now you can discard that Estate and maybe even a second one which you normally would have drawn next turn. This means it isn't the worst Ruin to have, but still the benefit is often only marginal. Like with Scout you have to be lucky to draw 2 bad cards you want to discard or have the rare case you put the cards back and have Actions left and the order in which you put the cards back really matters like with Wishing Well. The problem here therefore is that it only helps in really junked decks, but then you're gonna probably lose anyway. |
| (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/f/f2/Ruined_Market.jpg/200px-Ruined_Market.jpg) | #2 Ruined Market (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 68.5% / Median: 75% / Mode: 100% / Standard Deviation: 30.5% Highest Value(s): 100% (12x) / Lowest Value(s): 25% (6x), 0% (2x) Especially the battle for #1 was really close. Ruined Market is only second with 12 times 100%. Contrary to Survivors which helps most in bad decks, this helps probably most in still relatively good decks. This might even help a lot if you miss your Action card this turn which normally would give you the much needed buy for building up your engine. In the late game you could even use this for Double Estate or Duchy/Estate, especially on a board with otherwise no other +Buys. This might even be a card you want to buy/gain on purpose. I could even imageine open with Ruined Market on a board with Peddler and no other +Buys :). You see the benefit of this Ruin is really board dependant, but having a much needed +Buy from this Ruin could really save you the day. |
| (http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/images/thumb/6/6d/Abandoned_Mine.jpg/200px-Abandoned_Mine.jpg) | #1 Abandoned Mine (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 71.1% / Median: 75% / Mode: 75% / Standard Deviation: 27.2% Highest Value(s): 100% (13x) / Lowest Value(s): 25% (4x), 0% (1x) It got 100% and 75% each 13 times what gives Abandoned Mine the win. Abandoned Mine is in games with Ruins mostly better than Ruined Library as you have a junked deck and don't want to draw your Action cards dead and have a low money average either way. But what makes it better than Survivors or Ruined Market? Money is really important in Ruins games as your struggling your way up to $5 or $6. While Curses don't give you this opportunity you often get to $5 or $6 with Abandoned Mine. But it's still a close call between Ruined Market and Abandoned Mine. And, BTW, this might be now really the only Ruin worth playing Throne Room or King's Court on it. |
I still feel the Goko level should be taken into account as well.
Just started watching the video, and I know you're German Qvist, but, wow, you sound really German :D.
I still feel the Goko level should be taken into account as well.
In general I agree. But I have no idea how significant the Goko level is currently (especially regarding as you can just quit without getting a loss) and I don't know how to normalize those two levels.Just started watching the video, and I know you're German Qvist, but, wow, you sound really German :D.
Is this a compliment or an insult? ::) I do my very best to talk without accent, but well, it's impossible.
Just started watching the video, and I know you're German Qvist, but, wow, you sound really German :D.
Is this a compliment or an insult? ::) I do my very best to talk without accent, but well, it's impossible.
Do you know when the next big list will be out? And is there any way for me to get my list of rankings back that I did through Survey Monkey?
Do you know when the next big list will be out? And is there any way for me to get my list of rankings back that I did through Survey Monkey?
Hey, don't rush me. ::)
This week I'm still in holidays and I try to publish the next parts probably Thursday and Saturday, but maybe it's earlier, maybe later, I can't promise.
Starting from next week, it'll probably ~2 parts each week.
- Just a note: If you didn't rate Dark Ages cards, I also didn't took your Knights and Ruins rating into account.
I still feel the Goko level should be taken into account as well.
I dont get these numbers:
Highest Value(s): 50% (1x), 25% (5x) / Lowest Value(s): 0% (33x)
What do they mean?
I ranked Ruined Market the highest because I think snagging an extra Estate lategame is a lot more valuable on average than a terminal $1 (You're often hitting $7 anyway). I wish I could pull up my rankings, but it doesn't look like SurveyMonkey allows that. If there's trashing, it's the one Ruin I might choose to keep a copy of too. Survivors, as PitzerMike mentioned, can be helpful on occasion (and, yes, is often the best of the five on a variety of boards). Still, we're sorting garbage here.What? If you have 1, 4, or 7$ in hand, you prefer the Abandoned Mine for getting VP. If you have 2, 3, 5, or 6$ in hand, you don't care. 10$ is where Ruined Market becomes better, but you're saying in Looter games "you're often hitting 7 anyway", which is correct, your income is going to be pretty low..
10$ is where Ruined Market becomes better
Even rv, which is just nothing, could be better than dead drawing actions.
I'd buy Ruined Library with Fishing Village.
With King's Court, it draws a card.I'd buy Ruined Library with Fishing Village.
Why? It doesn't do anything for you.
With King's Court, it draws a card.I'd buy Ruined Library with Fishing Village.
Why? It doesn't do anything for you.
You laugh, because it should never work. I agree with you, but you know, sometime Marin would kill you with it.
Okay... there are other edge cases too. I mean, don't get me wrong, these are edge cases, and quite tongue-in-cheek. But...With King's Court, it draws a card.I'd buy Ruined Library with Fishing Village.
Why? It doesn't do anything for you.
You laugh, because it should never work. I agree with you, but you know, sometime Marin would kill you with it.
Sure but if there's no KC you wouldn't buy it with FV as pops said.
I'd buy Ruined Library with Fishing Village.
Why? It doesn't do anything for you.
While I'm not the best dominion player by any means I would rate ruined market the highest, just because that is the only ruins that one actually ever might consider actually buying, since in a game without +buy but an otherwise strong engine you can actually use ruined market to allow the engine to work, unlike the others.But the idea is not to rate them that way... anyway you'll almost never buy a ruin, but gain them from looters. And usually ruined library and abandoned mine are the "least worst" of all...