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Title: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on December 03, 2012, 04:08:17 pm
Please submit your entries here:

The deadline is January 28.

Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Robz888 on December 03, 2012, 04:11:50 pm
This is probably covered somewhere else, but since you're here, and I'm here... can we submit multiple entries?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on December 03, 2012, 04:13:24 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Graystripe77 on December 08, 2012, 09:33:12 pm
I noticed there is no *required for the 4th kingdom card. You should fix it, 'cause OCD.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on December 08, 2012, 10:06:12 pm
Agghhh!  OK, fixed.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: soulnet on December 08, 2012, 10:40:03 pm
Agghhh!  OK, fixed.

I imagine we do not need to resubmit previous submissions right? (at least submissions that contained a fourth kingdom card)
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on December 08, 2012, 10:50:32 pm
Nope.  I just had to edit the form.  Doesn't affect the entries.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: jotheonah on December 21, 2012, 09:04:58 am
Finally submitted! Played a fun set on iso, so I tweaked it and sent it in.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Beyond Awesome on December 22, 2012, 03:44:35 am
Gahh! I just played the most strategically complex kingdom on Goko, but it had two DA cards, and it would be impossible to replace those two cards with something else. I so want to submit it, but I can't  :(
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: WanderingWinder on January 15, 2013, 10:05:02 am
Any word on a deadline here?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 15, 2013, 10:51:22 am
Let's set the deadline, somewhat arbitrarily, for January 28, which is when the finals should be set.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: WanderingWinder on January 25, 2013, 05:35:52 pm
I'm interested in getting a feel for how many other people have submitted and how many kingdoms they've gotten in. I have several dozen sitting around and submitted the couple dozen or so that I thought were the best in the past couple of days.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Robz888 on January 25, 2013, 05:37:15 pm
I sent in 2 so far.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: lespeutere on January 25, 2013, 05:48:59 pm
I don't remember exact numbers cause it was some time ago, but I'd say 7 or 8.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: WanderingWinder on January 25, 2013, 05:54:34 pm
I don't remember exact numbers cause it was some time ago, but I'd say 7 or 8.
Perhaps unfortunately for you, if it's like last year they won't use any of them if you make the final.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Dsell on January 25, 2013, 06:06:10 pm
How super secretive do these have to be? I have a kingdom in mind, but there are a couple variables that I'd love to work out with another player. But if they are supposed to stay totally under wraps I understand that too.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: lespeutere on January 25, 2013, 06:13:43 pm
I don't remember exact numbers cause it was some time ago, but I'd say 7 or 8.
Perhaps unfortunately for you, if it's like last year they won't use any of them if you make the final.
I'd happily sacrifice the option to put my kingdoms (sounds lovely, btw) up for the vote to the chance to win this thing.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 26, 2013, 12:03:10 am
There are about 200 submitted so far.

How super secretive do these have to be? I have a kingdom in mind, but there are a couple variables that I'd love to work out with another player. But if they are supposed to stay totally under wraps I understand that too.

Exercise your best judgment.  The more people discuss it publicly the less likely it'll get picked.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Dsell on January 26, 2013, 12:07:10 am
There are about 200 submitted so far.

How super secretive do these have to be? I have a kingdom in mind, but there are a couple variables that I'd love to work out with another player. But if they are supposed to stay totally under wraps I understand that too.

Exercise your best judgment.  The more people discuss it publicly the less likely it'll get picked.

Oh, I don't mean public discussion, I was just thinking of asking someone (nobody in particular, someone not in the finals who expresses interest in helping) if they wanted to discuss it over a couple test games on iso. But I understand if that's discouraged.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: jotheonah on January 26, 2013, 12:07:27 am
200! eep!
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Beyond Awesome on January 26, 2013, 12:13:52 am
I'm interested in getting a feel for how many other people have submitted and how many kingdoms they've gotten in. I have several dozen sitting around and submitted the couple dozen or so that I thought were the best in the past couple of days.

I submitted a dozen.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 26, 2013, 12:16:07 am
There are about 200 submitted so far.

How super secretive do these have to be? I have a kingdom in mind, but there are a couple variables that I'd love to work out with another player. But if they are supposed to stay totally under wraps I understand that too.

Exercise your best judgment.  The more people discuss it publicly the less likely it'll get picked.

Oh, I don't mean public discussion, I was just thinking of asking someone (nobody in particular, someone not in the finals who expresses interest in helping) if they wanted to discuss it over a couple test games on iso. But I understand if that's discouraged.

Oh, there's no problem with that.  But I do not recommend enlisting Mic Q's assistance :P
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Dsell on January 26, 2013, 12:18:39 am
Oh, there's no problem with that.

Then on this note...anybody who feels they have a decent grasp on strategy want to help me test a kingdom? ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Warrior on January 26, 2013, 12:30:47 am
Oh, there's no problem with that.

Then on this note...anybody who feels they have a decent grasp on strategy want to help me test a kingdom? ;D

I would be happy to!

Warrior
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Dsell on January 26, 2013, 12:35:36 am
Oh, there's no problem with that.

Then on this note...anybody who feels they have a decent grasp on strategy want to help me test a kingdom? ;D

I would be happy to!

Warrior

Ok awesome! Secret chamber? Whenever you're ready.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Warrior on January 26, 2013, 12:37:46 am
Oh, there's no problem with that.

Then on this note...anybody who feels they have a decent grasp on strategy want to help me test a kingdom? ;D

I would be happy to!

Warrior

Ok awesome! Secret chamber? Whenever you're ready.

Yes. I am lvl 41 but will be going on as unregistered so we can experiment.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Dsell on January 26, 2013, 12:39:07 am
Oh, there's no problem with that.

Then on this note...anybody who feels they have a decent grasp on strategy want to help me test a kingdom? ;D

I would be happy to!

Warrior

Ok awesome! Secret chamber? Whenever you're ready.

Yes. I am lvl 41 but will be going on as unregistered so we can experiment.

Sounds good. Altusername? Although, there will be card constraints so it shouldn't be counted anyway.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Ozle on January 26, 2013, 07:03:36 am
I only submitted 1!
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Morgrim7 on January 26, 2013, 07:13:31 am
me too
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: WanderingWinder on January 26, 2013, 09:21:42 am
I'm up for testing anything, provided you can find me online.

By the way, since you're picking cards, this won't affect ratings, but if you're really paranoid about finalists looking for sets by going through councilroom profiles, we can use alts...
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: shark_bait on January 26, 2013, 09:30:00 am
I'm up for testing anything, provided you can find me online.

By the way, since you're picking cards, this won't affect ratings, but if you're really paranoid about finalists looking for sets by going through councilroom profiles, we can use alts...

Call me naive, but with the level of class represented by the finalists, I like to think that this is something we don't need to worry about.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: WanderingWinder on January 26, 2013, 09:33:38 am
I'm up for testing anything, provided you can find me online.

By the way, since you're picking cards, this won't affect ratings, but if you're really paranoid about finalists looking for sets by going through councilroom profiles, we can use alts...

Call me naive, but with the level of class represented by the finalists, I like to think that this is something we don't need to worry about.
Yeah, that's why I labelled it as 'really paranoid'. I'm not even so sure it's about class so much (though hey, they are that classy, whoever won the lespeuture v Stef match) as they have better things to do.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 27, 2013, 08:16:57 am
I closed the entry form.  If you still have kingdoms you really want to submit, PM me with them and I can include them manually.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 27, 2013, 10:08:21 am
Just FYI, if your comments field includes the phrase (paraphrased to protect the guilty) "yeah I know this isn't fine-tuned or anything but I'm too lazy to make it perfect", your odds of being selected drop considerably.

Ditto if you included a Dark Ages card "just 'cause".
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Schneau on January 27, 2013, 10:53:01 am
I can't find this anywhere: who will be selecting the 7 kingdoms for the championship games?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 27, 2013, 11:09:06 am
Me, and I might solicit input from GE/jonts/rrenaud.  Though I think since jonts submitted a set of his own, either he won't participate or we won't use his set.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: soulnet on January 27, 2013, 11:40:40 am
Can we know now, or whenever the submission stage is finally closed, some statistic about number of submissions, number of people submitting, levels, etc?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 27, 2013, 08:46:53 pm
I'll try to do that.

In the meantime let's have a fun game.  Name me the only (at least I think it's the only) card that not a single person in >200 submissions submitted.  Keep in mind multiple people submitted what they called the Kingdom of Crap, and even Transmute and Adventurer each got almost 10 submissions.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 27, 2013, 08:50:05 pm
Navigator
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Tdog on January 27, 2013, 08:50:50 pm
Envoy
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Watno on January 27, 2013, 08:51:21 pm
Jack of all trades
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Robz888 on January 27, 2013, 09:36:12 pm
I gotta go with Walled Village.

I love this challenge, by the way. Reminds me of when veto mode first came out, and after testing it for awhile, someone published a list of all the cards, in order of how frequently they were vetoed. Market, of course, is appropriately the least offensive card in Dominion.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 27, 2013, 09:47:43 pm
Is this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=594.msg8195#msg8195) the post you're referring to, Robz?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Robz888 on January 27, 2013, 09:48:25 pm
Is this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=594.msg8195#msg8195) the post you're referring to, Robz?

Yes! Thanks.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: heron on January 27, 2013, 09:51:29 pm
Scavenger.

But seriously, I'll guess farmland.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Schneau on January 27, 2013, 10:01:42 pm
Cellar
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 27, 2013, 10:04:33 pm
Scavenger.

But seriously, I'll guess farmland.

Even this isn't correct -- someone suggested a set with Scavenger (!!)

You all are picking cards that are way too interesting to be left off of everyone's submissions.  This is a card that not a single person ever thought, "Yeah, this kingdom needs X!"
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: jonts26 on January 27, 2013, 10:10:40 pm
Scavenger.

But seriously, I'll guess farmland.

Even this isn't correct -- someone suggested a set with Scavenger (!!)

You all are picking cards that are way too interesting to be left off of everyone's submissions.  This is a card that not a single person ever thought, "Yeah, this kingdom needs X!"

Having not seen the kingdoms I'm going to guess pearl diver.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 27, 2013, 10:12:07 pm
Alchemist
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: shark_bait on January 27, 2013, 10:13:58 pm
I'm gonna have to go with Contraband
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Antonidas on January 27, 2013, 10:20:17 pm
Woodcutter?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: soulnet on January 27, 2013, 10:24:53 pm
Tribute.

I cannot believe no-one made the Scout joke yet.

EDIT: If we may have a 2nd option, I want to add Stash.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 27, 2013, 10:27:49 pm
Tribute.

I cannot believe no-one made the Scout joke yet.

Didn't we all include Scout in our own submissions?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: soulnet on January 27, 2013, 10:30:32 pm
Didn't we all include Scout in our own submissions?

The problem is that it would overtake every other strategy making the game a luck-based run for the Scout split.

"Scout split" that is not a common phrase.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 27, 2013, 10:34:08 pm
Scout split?  I assume Ambassador is involved.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: heron on January 27, 2013, 10:36:36 pm
In light of recent remarks, my second submission (if that's allowed) will be vagrant. I thought about EPguild, but in the end I think vagrant is more boring.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: olneyce on January 27, 2013, 10:48:07 pm
Village.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Donald X. on January 27, 2013, 10:50:35 pm
You all are picking cards that are way too interesting to be left off of everyone's submissions.  This is a card that not a single person ever thought, "Yeah, this kingdom needs X!"
Feast
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Dsell on January 27, 2013, 10:54:21 pm
Mining Village?

Also I'll be submitting a couple kingdoms tonight if that's ok!
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Robz888 on January 27, 2013, 10:55:24 pm
HARVEST
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: WanderingWinder on January 27, 2013, 10:58:51 pm
I've personally submitted kingdoms with most of the named cards already.

Mmm, maybe not stash. And I can't remember if I put a feast one in - I had one, but I don't know if it got through. That's a very good guess. Oh yeah, Harvest is good too.

Bureaucrat, Mine, Tribute, Fortune Teller are my best guesses. I guess, Mine.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Dsell on January 27, 2013, 10:59:39 pm
HARVEST

Dude, I was thinking about putting harvest in one of my kingdoms! (But I've neither submitted yet nor did I include them in the final kingdoms.)
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Titandrake on January 27, 2013, 11:03:21 pm
Explorer
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: theory on January 27, 2013, 11:31:42 pm
Scavenger.

But seriously, I'll guess farmland.

Even this isn't correct -- someone suggested a set with Scavenger (!!)

You all are picking cards that are way too interesting to be left off of everyone's submissions.  This is a card that not a single person ever thought, "Yeah, this kingdom needs X!"

Having not seen the kingdoms I'm going to guess pearl diver.

Ding ding ding!  Pearl Diver it is -- not one single person included it. 

It's not a terribly rich design space that they left out.  But it is down from 3/125 last year.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Robz888 on January 27, 2013, 11:37:49 pm
Just wait til The Guilds comes out, and Donald has added this card:

Pearl
Cost: $3
Type: Treasure

Worth: $0
If you move this card to the top of your deck, gain 2 Provinces.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: WanderingWinder on January 27, 2013, 11:39:51 pm
Dang - and at some point I KNOW I had pearl diver in one of mine as 'cheap nonterminal du jour', but that probably got pushed out for something.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 27, 2013, 11:46:48 pm
Edge case challenge.  Putting stashes at the bottom to fish out with Pearl Divers.  Is there a scenario in which this would be a useful strategy?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 27, 2013, 11:50:13 pm
Pearl
Cost: $0
Type: Treasure

If this is the first Pearl card you've played this turn, +$4.  Otherwise, +$1
___
When you shuffle your deck, place all Pearl cards at the bottom of the deck.

(Pearl has a distinct back)
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Beyond Awesome on January 28, 2013, 12:09:03 am
Duchess never mind. lol

But, on the topic of Pearl Diver, I think it may actually be the worst Dominion card. It really does nothing. It cantrips, and its topdecking ability is really not all that relevant. Sometimes, you get a little bit lucky and slightly change what your next card will be. I think many people don't rank it as the worse $2 card because it usually doesn't hurt to have it in your deck. But, man, that card is so weak.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Robz888 on January 28, 2013, 12:19:15 am
Still better than Adventurer.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Titandrake on January 28, 2013, 12:29:36 am
Pearl Diver is one of those rare cards that you buy for the cantrip and nothing more. I haven't run into a situation where I considered the topdecking to be essential to my plan. I think using Pearl Diver to find Stashes isn't that useful; it's difficult to make a situation where you don't want to frontload your Stashes into one hand instead.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: Morgrim7 on January 28, 2013, 12:35:18 am
Pearl Diver is one of those rare cards that you buy for the cantrip and nothing more. I haven't run into a situation where I considered the topdecking to be essential to my plan. I think using Pearl Diver to find Stashes isn't that useful; it's difficult to make a situation where you don't want to frontload your Stashes into one hand instead.
Or if they have 2 and everything else is crap.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: sudgy on January 28, 2013, 02:30:50 am
Pearl Diver is one of those rare cards that you buy for the cantrip and nothing more. I haven't run into a situation where I considered the topdecking to be essential to my plan. I think using Pearl Diver to find Stashes isn't that useful; it's difficult to make a situation where you don't want to frontload your Stashes into one hand instead.

I use the topdecking ability, but I don't get it for the topdecking ability...
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: ConMan on January 28, 2013, 07:10:25 pm
Edge case challenge.  Putting stashes at the bottom to fish out with Pearl Divers.  Is there a scenario in which this would be a useful strategy?
Hmm ... Scrying Pool deck? Put Stashes on the bottom, then pull them up one by one as you need them (especially if you're at a stage where you're not sure if you can play all your +Buy cards).
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: gman314 on January 28, 2013, 07:22:02 pm
Edge case challenge.  Putting stashes at the bottom to fish out with Pearl Divers.  Is there a scenario in which this would be a useful strategy?
Opponents' Top-deck or handsize attacks? Although, this would only be relevant if you wouldn't immediately draw the cards on the shuffle. And, by putting cards just after the top, you could draw the cards.

So, my edge case solution: Your opponent has a bunch of Minions and top of deck attacks and you don't know how far your deck you'll run. Also, you have a bunch of top-decking cards to take up space that Stashes would otherwise take.
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: SirPeebles on January 28, 2013, 07:58:40 pm
Maybe you want to Upgrade the Stashes, and so rather than topdeck them all, you stick them at the bottom in hopes that your plentiful Pearl Divers and Upgrades will collide.  Now, you'd need to be in a situation where you want lots of $6 cards while having lots of Stashes.  Possibly you are Minting your Stashes to Upgrade into Grand Markets?
Title: Re: Kingdom Design Challenge Entry Form
Post by: kn1tt3r on January 31, 2013, 08:08:25 am
Edge case challenge.  Putting stashes at the bottom to fish out with Pearl Divers.  Is there a scenario in which this would be a useful strategy?
Hmm ... Scrying Pool deck? Put Stashes on the bottom, then pull them up one by one as you need them (especially if you're at a stage where you're not sure if you can play all your +Buy cards).
I can only imagine Minion games, where you also have one or two Stashes (possibly due to Swindler). In such games you usually want to play your Minion stack until right before the reshuffle, so it would be actually benefitial to have your Stashes there.