Dominion Strategy Forum
Dominion => Puzzles and Challenges => Topic started by: AJD on September 03, 2011, 02:01:21 am
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I think this one is pretty easy. What one card is missing from this list?
Ambassador
Potion
Thief
Honorable mention: Masquerade.
EDIT: And now, Squire! And I guess Band of Misfits?
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Hehehehehe, I thought about making this exact puzzle myself but didn't because I didn't think it had enough cards! I won't spoil it for others, not even in a spoiler.
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Ambassador/Thief/Masquerade seems obvious at first, but man, Potion?
I'll think about it :D
ed: Ambassador/Thief/Masquerade is actually the complete list for some other thing I have in mind. No other card I could add to it. And Potion doesn't remotely fit, of course.
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Jester!
I've been really bad at thinking about these puzzles so I'm glad to finally figure one out ;D
edit: OK I'm back to being pretty certain this is right. I'll de-mention a bunch of cards that only seemed related because I had a much broader category in mind to begin with.
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I agree it has to be Jester, but I don't get why Masquerade is merely "honorable mention" but Ambassador isn't.
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I think op has in mind ways you can gain philosopher's stone and masquerade doesn't gain.
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I think op has in mind ways you can gain philosopher's stone and masquerade doesn't gain.
Upgrade, Remodel, Expand? Doesn't fit.
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I think op has in mind ways you can gain philosopher's stone and masquerade doesn't gain.
Right, gotcha. I figured it was how to get Phil Stones but forgot about the word "gain".
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I think op has in mind ways you can gain philosopher's stone and masquerade doesn't gain.
Surely Potion doesn't do it by itself then. You need Potion + $3. Another way is with Remodel-type cards + other cards with Potion costs.
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Jester is right, of course.
You're all more or less circling around the correct explanation of the unifying factor.
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The only cards that can potentially add a Philosopher's Stone to your deck without losing any cards in the process. This includes Jester of course.
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Vidicate: Not quite; you've forgotten about Mint. (And of course, as Jimmmmm points out, Potion alone won't get you a Philosopher's Stone.)
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Now that we've confirmed the answer, here's the category: Cards that can enable someone who has never owned a Potion-cost card to gain their first Potion-cost card during the current turn. Masquerade is considered a mere honorable mention because it doesn't cause "gains". The word "never" is key here. If we relax it even to the point of saying the player didn't own a Potion-cost card at the start of the turn (but might have at some point in the past), then Upgrade, Remodel, Remake, and a host of others must be added to the list. Exercise for the reader or the OP: figure out why that's the case!
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Guided: exactly right. (And your "exercise for the reader" followup question is exactly right as well. The answer involves shenanigans, of course.)
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Some really gory Possession interactions would accomplish that.
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Some really gory Possession interactions would accomplish that.
You'd have to have one already though, and Possessions cost Potions
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It's still possible to make it work! Hint: Possession isn't a Duration card.
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It's still possible to make it work! Hint: Possession isn't a Duration card.
This was about dropping the "never", or? In this case:
You could play a throned Posession, with your opponents turn swindle/saboteur your own Posession to nothing cause of empty piles/no cheaper Potioncost-cards, and buy another Potion-cost card, which you gain. Then you forget about the TR, which was there for some other solution which didn't work out...
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DStu: Not quite, since you still need a Potion in order to buy your new Potion-cost card. So the answer is: TR/Possession and then reshuffle; on opponent's turn 1 Saboteur your own Possession, which was your only potion-costing card, to nothing; on opponent's turn 2 Remodel an Apothecary into a Golem (or whatever). Thus a play of Remodel allowed you to gain a potion-costing card on a turn at the beginning of which you didn't have any potion-costers. Which is why the stipulation in Guided's solution.
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Exactly ;D
I had Bishop in mind rather than Saboteur but the effect is the same.
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...So, what do you think, does Haggler count here?
Argument for: Play Haggler, Silver, Potion. Buy a Golem. Use Haggler's power to gain an Apothecary. Since Haggler's power is on-buy, the Apothecary hits your discard pile before the Golem does, so strictly speaking it is Haggler that has just gained you your first potion-costing card.
Argument against: In order for Haggler to be able to gain you a potion-costing card, you have to play a Potion also on the same turn. In that sense it is Potion, not Haggler, that is actually enabling you to gain a potion-costing card. Consider this characterization of Ambassador, Jester, Potion, and Thief: "It is necessary for at least one of these to be played in order for someone to gain their first potion-costing card on the current turn." Haggler does not add to that list.