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Title: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: dondon151 on August 12, 2012, 06:23:50 pm
What the topic title says - obviously Fabian and I are going (so psyched!), but who else here is going, either to the tournament or just the convention?
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Fabian on August 12, 2012, 06:58:54 pm
I'm leaving tomorrow morning. Going to be a fun week, I even played a few Dominion games earlier today!

Still super confused as far as time/place/structure/etc of the event goes. Have you received any information? I got an email a few days ago about a Gencon badge having been bought for me, but I don't really get what I need to do to get it, or when I need to get it, or what.

Oh well I'm sure it'll work out. Pretty psyched too, not so much about the tournament itself as the trip in general though if I'm being honest.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: dondon151 on August 12, 2012, 07:15:10 pm
I got some details from Jay; i'll send them to you via PM when I get the chance.

Quite honestly though, I'm not particularly excited for the convention itself - I'm not much of a board game player.

(We totally need f.ds shirts!)
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: rickert on August 12, 2012, 07:43:46 pm
I will be working Dominion demos in the room and am occasionally asked to help on ruling questions, but so far have not heard any details about which days or times or even the number of players who have qualified.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Fabian on August 12, 2012, 11:23:31 pm
Thanks for the PM dondon, lots of good information in there heh.

No random kingdoms :( Oh well.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Lekkit on August 13, 2012, 05:49:34 am
FWIW last year's premade kingdoms were good.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Fabian on August 13, 2012, 06:15:37 am
Premade kingdoms are bad by definition in my opinion. I don't want a bias towards "good" kingdoms or "interesting" kingdoms or "interactive" kingdoms or "enginey kingdoms" or "kingdoms where you clearly have to go HP+Baron" or "competitive" kingdoms or "kingdoms where lots of interesting synergies are present and figuring out the optimal strategy from many seemingly very good strategies is pretty tricky indeed" or any other type of kingdom. I want random kingdoms. Of course, many, including Donald, seem to disagree. Fair enough.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: rickert on August 13, 2012, 07:51:04 am
I prefer the designed kingdoms for two reasons. First, because they can be designed so that there is more than one really good approach to winning and there's a chance that might not be true in random setups. Also, some random setups really lend themselves to long games. That can be avoided with designed layouts. to me, one of the worst things we can do with players' time is to waste it waiting around doing nothing because their table had a fast game but one or two tables are slow layouts.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: loppo on August 13, 2012, 10:24:34 am
i will show up as well. I'll arrive Tuesday evening. I'm so excited because it was a last second possibility that allowed me to come.

@Fabian: I also prefer random Kingdoms to preconstructed ones.  They probably want to get a lots of rounds in, so they prefer fast games. DXV mentioned he designed his sets to allow for fast matches, so maybe thats why.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Donald X. on August 13, 2012, 12:09:48 pm
Premade kingdoms are bad by definition in my opinion. I don't want a bias towards "good" kingdoms or "interesting" kingdoms or "interactive" kingdoms or "enginey kingdoms" or "kingdoms where you clearly have to go HP+Baron" or "competitive" kingdoms or "kingdoms where lots of interesting synergies are present and figuring out the optimal strategy from many seemingly very good strategies is pretty tricky indeed" or any other type of kingdom. I want random kingdoms. Of course, many, including Donald, seem to disagree. Fair enough.
Man I'm all in favor of me not having to make endless lists of 10 cards. The game works with random. Not every game is as interesting but that's okay too. If you wanted to avoid duds you could deal out ten random cards and then replace the last couple if you didn't get at least three cards costing $5, that would be pretty good. And you could ban a short list of cards to get faster games, Spy and such. Anyway with those rules it wouldn't be purely random, but it would still be pretty random; nothing would be pushing particular strategies.

There are people who want them to be nonrandom though. I do not expect them to be random this time. I didn't make any sets-of-10 specifically for this, but I gave Jay a list of sets-of-10 I'd made for the online campaigns, so he may use some of those.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Kirian on August 13, 2012, 06:22:44 pm
I didn't make any sets-of-10 specifically for this, but I gave Jay a list of sets-of-10 I'd made for the online campaigns, so he may use some of those.

Smart man!  I assume some of the later rounds will be Dark Ages exclusive just to mess with people's minds.

I bet next time around he could get lists-of-ten from this place.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Axxle on August 13, 2012, 06:36:10 pm
What the topic title says - obviously Fabian and I are going (so psyched!), but who else here is going, either to the tournament or just the convention?
I'll be going to Gencon for the weekend (Saturday, Sunday).  Is the tournament open for everyone to join? I was under the impression it was invitation only.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: rrenaud on August 13, 2012, 07:34:30 pm
I'll guess that you won't be able to play, but you'll be able to watch.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Axxle on August 13, 2012, 07:36:20 pm
I'll guess that you won't be able to play, but you'll be able to watch.
Good enough for me!
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Forge!!! on August 13, 2012, 08:41:19 pm
I'd really love to go, but logistically it's just not going to happen =(
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: dondon151 on August 13, 2012, 09:21:22 pm
Premade kingdoms are bad by definition in my opinion. I don't want a bias towards "good" kingdoms or "interesting" kingdoms or "interactive" kingdoms or "enginey kingdoms" or "kingdoms where you clearly have to go HP+Baron" or "competitive" kingdoms or "kingdoms where lots of interesting synergies are present and figuring out the optimal strategy from many seemingly very good strategies is pretty tricky indeed" or any other type of kingdom. I want random kingdoms. Of course, many, including Donald, seem to disagree. Fair enough.

My impression is that this is to prevent a repeat of what happened in the US National tiebreaker. I do like random kingdoms to a certain extent (definitely moreso biased-random kingdoms than truly random kingdoms), but far too often when playing IRL we'd skip maybe every other randomly generated kingdom because it's too boring or because if a single dominant strategy or something.

I'll be going to Gencon for the weekend (Saturday, Sunday).  Is the tournament open for everyone to join? I was under the impression it was invitation only.

I wouldn't pass up an opportunity to meet fellow f.ds'ers!
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Axxle on August 13, 2012, 09:48:10 pm
Well... the people who I was going to go with have bailed, so I might end up not going.  Bleh.

Meet you guys some other time. 
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: dondon151 on August 15, 2012, 07:09:36 pm
I just got here, and uh... Anything good to do here in Indy? I'm not much of a board gamer...
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Tdog on August 15, 2012, 08:32:51 pm
I just got here, and uh... Anything good to do here in Indy? I'm not much of a board gamer...

Spoil the dark ages cards for us!
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Forge!!! on August 15, 2012, 09:04:09 pm
I just got here, and uh... Anything good to do here in Indy? I'm not much of a board gamer...

Well hey, now's as good a time as any to try some different ones out, eh? There's bound to be one or two others that you like.
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: dondon151 on August 15, 2012, 09:18:57 pm
Well hey, now's as good a time as any to try some different ones out, eh? There's bound to be one or two others that you like.

Or I can work on my AMCAS apps
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: ednever on August 15, 2012, 11:43:26 pm
I just got here, and uh... Anything good to do here in Indy? I'm not much of a board gamer...

I spent a bunch of time in Indy last year.

I recommend walking the canal. There is a great restaurant at the end if the canal too. You can sit on their deck outside. Really nice atmosphere.

Sometimes at the Indy track you can rise in an Indy car. Pricey though I think.

Have fun!

Ed
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Turambar on August 16, 2012, 11:59:02 pm
I didn't manage to qualify for the tournament this year, however my brother did, he is Axiom on isotropic (he hasn't played there for a while). But I, Astonix, Caprica and Xeiron has traveled with him to support him (and to visit USA for the first time), so we are five Norwegian isotropic players here in Indy ;) .
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Lekkit on August 17, 2012, 01:08:17 am
Nice to see that Norway represents. :D Too bad I couldn't make it there. You were a good sport last year. Enjoy GenCon and go, Scandinavia!
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: lespeutere on August 17, 2012, 05:59:50 am
Have you met anybody from Germany, yet?
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: Watno on August 17, 2012, 06:05:19 am
Kinda interested in wether theres a German participant, too, since there was no german championship between the two world ones
Title: Re: So who's going to GenCon/Worlds?
Post by: meow on August 17, 2012, 06:52:06 am
I just got here, and uh... Anything good to do here in Indy? I'm not much of a board gamer...

Be sure to look through the GenCon program (or at the website ... http://www.gencon.com/2012/indy/default.aspx ).  There is A LOT more to GenCon than just BoardGames.  Speakers, movies, music ... all sorts of stuff.