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Title: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Spiral Architect on August 01, 2012, 04:56:39 am
I got the base set for dominion about 6 months ago, after my sister's friend taut me. We ended up moving about 40 minutes away, so I only really get to play with expansions irl when I go to her house. Obviously the base set gets rather dull after a while.

So, this begs the question: What set would you pair with the base set to get the most replay value?
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: DStu on August 01, 2012, 04:58:23 am
Probably Dark Ages...

From the existing ones: Seaside, Prosperity.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Morgrim7 on August 01, 2012, 05:28:07 am
There are a lot of threads about this that can be found in the FAQ.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: brokoli on August 01, 2012, 05:37:15 am
Without any doubt, Seaside.
I played a lot with Base-Intrigue on BGA, I don't like. I don't like Base-Prosperity either.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Grujah on August 01, 2012, 05:43:15 am
Seaside.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Spiral Architect on August 01, 2012, 05:44:52 am
There are a lot of threads about this that can be found in the FAQ.

Thanks, I guess I sort of missed that subforum, since I would have probably looked their first.

It seems like Seaside is the way to go right now.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Morgrim7 on August 01, 2012, 05:50:16 am
There are a lot of threads about this that can be found in the FAQ.

Thanks, I guess I sort of missed that subforum, since I would have probably looked their first.

It seems like Seaside is the way to go right now.
Yeah, probably Seaside. Definitely not Alchemy, Cornucopia, or Intrigue, Prosperity has waayyy more engine then you will be used to, and Hinterlands is not as fun.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: werothegreat on August 01, 2012, 08:53:44 am
Honestly, just get them in order of their release.  There's a reason they were released that way.  The only reason you should ever purchase them out of order is if you've already played with all or most of the expansions, and you just want the flavor of one of them in particular.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Kahryl on August 01, 2012, 10:41:26 am
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: werothegreat on August 01, 2012, 11:21:33 am
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: gman314 on August 01, 2012, 12:13:12 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: werothegreat on August 01, 2012, 12:23:21 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: chwhite on August 01, 2012, 01:30:15 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?

You should replace Loan with Talisman there.  Loan is a great card!
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Kahryl on August 01, 2012, 01:31:16 pm
Masquerade, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Steward are all great, but Torturer and Minion make the game warped and boring.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Dubdubdubdub on August 01, 2012, 01:32:53 pm
There are a lot of threads about this that can be found in the FAQ.

Thanks, I guess I sort of missed that subforum, since I would have probably looked their first.

It seems like Seaside is the way to go right now.
Yeah, probably Seaside. Definitely not Alchemy, Cornucopia, or Intrigue, Prosperity has waayyy more engine then you will be used to, and Hinterlands is not as fun.

Hinterlands is super fun!
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: jonts26 on August 01, 2012, 01:47:02 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?

You should replace Loan with Talisman there.  Loan is a great card!

You should replace Talisman with Loan there. Talisman is a great card!
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: LastFootnote on August 01, 2012, 02:49:01 pm
Yeah, probably Seaside. Definitely not Alchemy, Cornucopia, or Intrigue, Prosperity has waayyy more engine then you will be used to, and Hinterlands is not as fun.

Hinterlands is super fun!

Yeah, agreed. Hinterlands is lots of fun and has some of the neatest combos of any set. Morgrim's opinion is definitely not shared by everybody.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: gman314 on August 01, 2012, 03:59:37 pm
Hinterlands is the only set where you have the possibility for openings that aren't just 3/4 or 5/2
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: HiveMindEmulator on August 01, 2012, 04:14:03 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?

However, Intrigue has Great Hall, Secret Chamber, Shanty Town and Swindler.

Wait. What's the point of this game? We're just naming random cards. This totally has nothing to do with what expansion goes best with the base set...
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: popsofctown on August 01, 2012, 04:24:12 pm
I have Base/Hinterlands in my home.  I have been dissatisfied with Base/Hinterlands with no other expansions.  It brings too many Big Money powerhouses to the game without shoring up Base dominion's lack of engine viability much.  Embassy, Jack of all Trades, Trader, Fool's Gold, Silk Road, Tunnel, Farmland, Margrave, IGG, all lean a bit strongly towards Big Money, and IGG, Embassy, JoaT, and Fool's Gold are total powerhouses.  I'd argue that Haggler is also a very strong card that leans towards Big Money, because Province->Gold works better than Province->5$ engine component that will miss your Village due to Province clog.  The Village availability is fine, with Village, Crossroads, Festival, Border Village, and Inn available.  The issue is that the two sets can support engines but don't supply a point to having an engine.  Highway does, and supported Highway boards are interesting.  But that's it. Stables is a stronger Lab, yeah, and you can build an engine with Stables, but many of those end up kinda simple because of the way Stables works.  You buy lots of Silvers to ensure Stableses don't fizzle and trash lightly because Copper is good and you run all your Stables into a strong terminal every turn because it's sorta like a Hunting Party that only knows how to skip coppers when you think about it. 

I bought the set because I love Silk Roads, and Silk Road is great.  I would prefer better engine/BM balance to the cool alt-VP card though, Gardens comes with the base set anyway.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: jonts26 on August 01, 2012, 04:25:32 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?

However, Intrigue has Great Hall, Secret Chamber, Shanty Town and Swindler.

Wait. What's the point of this game? We're just naming random cards. This totally has nothing to do with what expansion goes best with the base set...

Uno has 4's, skips, reverses, and draw 4 wilds.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Mic Qsenoch on August 01, 2012, 04:33:08 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?

However, Intrigue has Great Hall, Secret Chamber, Shanty Town and Swindler.

Wait. What's the point of this game? We're just naming random cards. This totally has nothing to do with what expansion goes best with the base set...

Uno has 4's, skips, reverses, and draw 4 wilds.

I find Base + Uno to be a reasonably good starting point for a beginning Dominion player. However the overpowered, imo, "Rainbow Deck" using Chapel and D4W shows up just a little too often with only two sets available.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: werothegreat on August 01, 2012, 04:42:35 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?

However, Intrigue has Great Hall, Secret Chamber, Shanty Town and Swindler.

Wait. What's the point of this game? We're just naming random cards. This totally has nothing to do with what expansion goes best with the base set...

Uno has 4's, skips, reverses, and draw 4 wilds.

I find Base + Uno to be a reasonably good starting point for a beginning Dominion player. However the overpowered, imo, "Rainbow Deck" using Chapel and D4W shows up just a little too often with only two sets available.

And of course, the Ace of Spades is far too much of a powerhouse for a noob to handle.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: shMerker on August 01, 2012, 05:03:56 pm
Whereas the Pokemon TCG has Lucario, Suicune, Vaporeon, and Iceon: Each one of these cards by itself presents interactions with Dominion Base so complex that even Donald X. is not exactly certain how they are used in gameplay.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: LastFootnote on August 01, 2012, 05:19:14 pm
Whereas the Pokemon TCG has Lucario, Suicune, Vaporeon, and Iceon

I think you mean Glaceon.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: shMerker on August 01, 2012, 05:29:44 pm
I might. I haven't played anything Pokemon related after gen 1, and I asked a friend to come up with that list.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: popsofctown on August 01, 2012, 05:33:56 pm
Upvoted for actually doing research simply in order to join the train of a running joke.


Then I downvoted because you named one of Eevee's evolutions incorrectly.  That is an affront to MrEevee, and therefore, the entire f.ds community.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: LastFootnote on August 01, 2012, 05:39:20 pm
I might. I haven't played anything Pokemon related after gen 1, and I asked a friend to come up with that list.

Your friend must really like blue Pokémon.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: shMerker on August 01, 2012, 06:15:18 pm
Oh I gave him criteria for the list. Being blue happens to be one of them.

There's a reason these cards are so confusing when used in Dominion.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: werothegreat on August 01, 2012, 06:24:45 pm
Glaceon

Action-Reaction - $3

When another player would gain a card, yell "Glaceon!  Glaceon!" until they decide to not gain that card.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: pst on August 01, 2012, 06:56:25 pm
Whereas the Pokemon TCG has Lucario, Suicune, Vaporeon, and Iceon: Each one of these cards by itself presents interactions with Dominion Base so complex that even Donald X. is not exactly certain how they are used in gameplay.

Just remember to never feed the Blue Pokemon after midnight!
(Unless you're prepared to walk it.)
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: cayvie on August 02, 2012, 05:26:45 pm
Mornington Crescent!
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: gman314 on August 02, 2012, 05:38:30 pm
Mornington Crescent!
Ah, but by the 1066 conquest rule.....
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: shMerker on August 02, 2012, 06:12:38 pm
Careful, that could lead to a squashed spin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQyIe6pInA).
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: gman314 on August 02, 2012, 09:06:42 pm
I started watching it and for a while I thought it was real poker!
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Spiral Architect on August 19, 2012, 04:55:17 pm
What would everyone think of Dark Ages/Base?
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: O on August 19, 2012, 04:57:31 pm
But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

WISHING WELL?!?! WISHING WELL!!??!


Wishing well is like a power-3. Just because menagerie's better doesn't mean WW is bad.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: Beyond Awesome on August 20, 2012, 03:52:17 am
What would everyone think of Dark Ages/Base?

DA seems by far the most complex set. Chapel would love DA, but I'm not sure if they are a good match for someone who mostly just plays Base Dominion. But, if they can get past the complexity factor, DA seems like it would work well with Base.
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: ^_^_^_^ on August 20, 2012, 09:43:25 pm
My Dominion team got Base, Intrigue, Prosperity as our starter pack. I definitely wouldn't include Intrigue - it has some nice cards but overall it's as kludgy as Base without Base's simplicity.

Prosperity otoh was a barrel of fun - although none of us were smart/ruthless enough to get kings court chains set up. That sounds like it would be painful in RL games.

Intrigue has some of the best cards of all the sets - Masquerade, Torturer, Courtyard, Trading Post, Harem, Minion, Steward.  And of course, everyone loves Saboteur.  :D

But on the other hand, Intrigue also has Coppersmith, Wishing Well, Scout, Ironworks and Tribute.

So?  Prosperity has Counting House, Contraband and Loan.  What is your point?

However, Intrigue has Great Hall, Secret Chamber, Shanty Town and Swindler.

Wait. What's the point of this game? We're just naming random cards. This totally has nothing to do with what expansion goes best with the base set...

Uno has 4's, skips, reverses, and draw 4 wilds.

I find Base + Uno to be a reasonably good starting point for a beginning Dominion player. However the overpowered, imo, "Rainbow Deck" using Chapel and D4W shows up just a little too often with only two sets available.

And of course, the Ace of Spades is far too much of a powerhouse for a noob to handle.
You fools! Have you forgotten the ultra rare over powered Blue-Eyes White Dragon!??!?
http://youtu.be/R_F9XoR0eSs?t=17m40s
Title: Re: Best Pair With Base Set
Post by: bedlam on August 21, 2012, 04:23:08 am
The deck I'm looking at has Luxor, Festival, and Imperial. And if you know what game I'm talking about, you are cool.