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Miscellaneous => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ozle on May 15, 2012, 09:05:58 am
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Not getting a copy personally till Friday so would be interested in hearing from people who have played it.
Quite excited by this game for a while
BATTLENET IDS OF PEOPLE PLAYING LIST!
Ozle#2420
Kirian#1720
Frisk#1123
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Not getting a copy personally till Friday so would be interested in hearing from people who have played it.
Quite excited by this game for a while
Yes, and I got up @ 4am eastern to play it. I played for 4 hours, and have not yet finished act 1 - although I'm playing it slow, talking to everyone, listening to the lore, exploring all the caves etc.
It's loads of fun.
I've got some nits to pick, but it scratches the itch to get loot like nothing else
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Funny story, well not funny, but still a story.
I forgot I had preordered DIII over a year ago and tried the public beta a couple of weeks ago.
Sadly, my work/home laptop which is the only computer available to me at this time, can't run DIII properly as I found out during the beta.
It instantly complained about my graphics processor (some Intel-chip), but I was still able to play when I escaped out.
I had to turn the graphics all the way back (to 800x600 I believe) to be able to play it.
So I went along with my Monk all the way to the Skeleton King and it was kind of OK.
Unfortunately this was where my laptop finally choked and lagged me to death.
This week I received an email: "Your DIII copy has been shipped." Wait, what? Oh yeah, that's right.
So I'm looking forward to not being able to play it and may have to resell my key at some point.
If anyone's interested in a key, just send a PM and I'll keep it in mind if I need to sell it.
Of course it won't be free (I already paid for the game with my credit card), but you'll get a discount.
I'm not too sad, I'm having fun replaying Titan Quest for the gazillionth time the last couple of days.
I'm still going to try it though, but probably have to pick a non-melee char like the Witch Doc.
PS: I hope my comment about the key isn't illegal / too shady. My work laptop just isn't made for gaming so reselling may be the only option remaining.
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Davio: I believe that if you have not yet used the key, selling it at face value or less doesn't count as illegal/shady at all. The client is downloadable; I didn't get a box.
Then again, I didn't pay for D3 except indirectly: WoW addiction = Annual Pass = free Diablo!
So yeah: Kirian#1720. Ping me if you want, just let me know who you are :)
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Who doesn't have Diablo 3 yet??? Oh, wait, I guess not everyone is an addict.
I went to bed super early and also got up at 4am (central) this morning to play for a few hours before work. I don't really have any complaints so far, but haven't gotten more than about a half hour past where the beta ended. I saw Captain Frisk online because we had connected a few weeks ago when the Beta was open.
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I played this morning for about 3 hours (with a coworker who I didn't even know was going to be playing Diablo 3, but who was on my battle.net friend list from Starcraft 2, so when he came online shortly after I did, we joined up) before coming to work and got through Act 1. We pretty much zoomed through everything, just stopping long enough to listen to the quest dialog (for the quests that weren't in the beta at least.) Finished the first act with a level 14 monk.
Avin#1495
So far it feels like more of a sequel to Diablo than Diablo 2 did - storywise especially.
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I am reading peoples posts on the forum (always a bad thing) that its very very short. Does that ring true to any of you guys?
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I am reading peoples posts on the forum (always a bad thing) that its very very short. Does that ring true to any of you guys?
The entire game, or the first act?
I'm not even sure how many acts there are but if the remaining acts are comparable to the first, then that's more than Diablo 2 was I think. And there's four difficulty levels of course. My 3 hour run of act 1 was by going by almost as quickly as possible through pretty much everything; there could have been a couple more hours at least of content in there if I was a completionist or explored optional areas, or even tried to grind at all.
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The entire game. Apparently there are 4 acts.
I generally dont really believe anythign posted on Blizzard official forums by users anyways though
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Maybe it's just the main story line that's short, but there will be high replayability any way, I have no doubt of that.
ITEM FEVER!!!!
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Trying to find a freind who will give me thier guest pass, but no luck at the moment! Gah
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I am reading peoples posts on the forum (always a bad thing) that its very very short. Does that ring true to any of you guys?
I just took a lunch break and finished Act 1. I'd say it clocked in @ 5 hours, and I hit lvl 16. I was reasonably thorough regarding wiping each floor and exploring each dungeon.
It felt just about right for me. Of course, I'd rather have 100 hours of unique content, but it doesn't seem out of line (yet)
I have a suspicion that it will take somewhere in the 15-20 hours range to beat single player - non rushing - with no twinked items.
I bet a team of 4 - working together - with twinked out gear can probably wipe normal in < 10 hours - which I think was even demonstrated last night.
My nits:
Item drops seem "light". I have received very few rares that weren't the result of the "1st time boss kill" loot bonus.
As much as I agree with theory's BFF Sirlin on why the D3 skill system is far far better than D2s - because the skills are more or less balanced against eachother (runed skill -> runed skill) - when they give you a new skill that doesn't have an unlocked rune yet - most of the time you don't want to use it - because it is patently worse than the runed skill you are currently using. Which is kindof sad. For all the talk about customization etc., I don't seem to be swapping my skills around all that much.
Cool downs on abilities - meh. I understand that cooldowns encourage you to use mutliple skills... but then they limit you to 6 abilities (4 until your lvl 14, 5 @ 14, and I'm not sure when you get your 6th). So when one of your abilities is on cooldown, you're spamming one of your other abilities.
The barb physics are almost too over the top. It's amazingly fun, but at the same time a little ridiculous to be hulk smashing things into orbit.
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They made a Diablo 3?!?!?
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They made a Diablo 3?!?!?
I suppose a major nit to pick would be:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23error37
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(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/ERROR+37_356d1b_3694798.jpg)
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They made a Diablo 3?!?!?
I suppose a major nit to pick would be:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23error37
I cannot possibly have been the only person assuming the servers would be down for half of launch day.
Then again, I've survived four WOW launch days, so I'm a bit jaded...
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Its the same with any launch these days, you dont want to buy enough hardware to cope with the initial rush of players on launch, because then you will have it sitting around never being used again, because your likely never to get anywhere near those figures again.
I remember wow launch, and rollback thursdays every time for months and months.
My company released its tax year end software update a couple of months ago and i'm still dealing with the all out!
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Its the same with any launch these days, you dont want to buy enough hardware to cope with the initial rush of players on launch, because then you will have it sitting around never being used again, because your likely never to get anywhere near those figures again.
Yeah, if there only was a way to get all the Singleplayer-players off the servers...
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Only people actually playing are probably those that managed to cack the DRM...
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Random Tweet:
Lisa Brewster @Adora
Man, Diablo III is super hard. I've been playing for 30 minutes and haven't even defeated the login screen. #error37
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They made a Diablo 3?!?!?
I suppose a major nit to pick would be:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23error37
Random Tweet:
Lisa Brewster @Adora
Man, Diablo III is super hard. I've been playing for 30 minutes and haven't even defeated the login screen. #error37
I don't get it, what is Error 37? And what does it have to do with my not knowing that they were making/have made a Diablo III?
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The answer to your first question is its the error that stops you logging in as the servers are waay over capacity.
As to how that relates, not sure! Possibly something to do with its massive popularity?
Somebody posted a review which was entirely based on the login screen, cant find it now, but it was funny.
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Somebody posted a review which was entirely based on the login screen, cant find it now, but it was funny.
http://i.imgur.com/CnvfY.png ?
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Nope, saw that one though as well. Was a full blown review at least a page long in a proper review site.
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Nope, saw that one though as well. Was a full blown review at least a page long in a proper review site.
http://calmdowntom.com/2012/05/diablo-3-review-pc/ ?
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FWIW, I played yesterday morning from 4am-7am Central Daylight Time with no issues. I played from about 6pm-10pm and it was a bit laggy at times but otherwise okay. Sometime between 10 and 10:30 my friends and I all got booted off when the servers went down and I went to bed.
I saw a comment (on reddit I think) highlighting the unfortunate situation for game companies where purchasing enough hardware to handle the launch rush would leave them with a lot of unused equipment sitting around collecting dust a week/month/ect later. I hope they get things ironed out soon, but I understand why problems like this seem to be common with games.
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They made a Diablo 3?!?!?
I suppose a major nit to pick would be:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23error37
Random Tweet:
Lisa Brewster @Adora
Man, Diablo III is super hard. I've been playing for 30 minutes and haven't even defeated the login screen. #error37
I don't get it, what is Error 37? And what does it have to do with my not knowing that they were making/have made a Diablo III?
Sorry - I figured you were being a wiseass.... as a somewhat serious TF2 player I assumed you probably read some gaming sites - where Diablo 3 advertisements have been all over the place.
Error 37 is the "Servers are busy" message. At the launch, nobody was able to login, and #error37 was the #1 global trending topic on twitter... and then there were memes: http://venturebeat.com/2012/05/15/diablo-iii-error-37-memes/#s:diablo-iii-meme-emperor
I would think they (Blizzard) would be embarrassed, but they are probably too busy counting their money.
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So, somehow I never played the original Diablo or D2.
Is it just me, or is the equation
Diablo = (Nethack - Quirky Item System - Insane Difficulty) + ([Insert Fighting Game] - PVP) + Story + Quests
Approximately correct?
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I don't know what nethack is, but at least in DI and DII you can mostly remove Story and Quests.
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I've been playing the game for two days (not non-stop gaming) and I've just finished Act 2. Therefore I assume the game is about as long as Diablo 2, which is really fine by me as I've played that game for several hundred hours. :) Great game so far, and I love that there's a LOT of lore connection to the first game.
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I saw a comment (on reddit I think) highlighting the unfortunate situation for game companies where purchasing enough hardware to handle the launch rush would leave them with a lot of unused equipment sitting around collecting dust a week/month/ect later. I hope they get things ironed out soon, but I understand why problems like this seem to be common with games.
Na, that is a business decision. You don't have to buy the equipment, you can lend them. And if you are Blizzard, you can also talk to whoever to satisfy your needs. But of course that costs money, and it might be cheaper to just produce some error37, get a bit laughed about you, but in the end rely on all the people who understand that poor poor blizzard has just not the possibility to handle all these hyped people.
Not to mention the other business decision to make this game online only.
After all, it might be the right decision, but as costumer you can't just ignore all the negatives of this decision, just because it might be profitable for the company.
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I don't know what nethack is...
Oh wow, you're missing out.
http://www.nethack.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetHack
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I for one actually like that you only can play online. I don't have a computer that can handle the game, and with all my characters online I can play whenever I can get my hands on a computer with the game istalled.
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Sorry - I figured you were being a wiseass.... as a somewhat serious TF2 player I assumed you probably read some gaming sites - where Diablo 3 advertisements have been all over the place.
Error 37 is the "Servers are busy" message. At the launch, nobody was able to login, and #error37 was the #1 global trending topic on twitter... and then there were memes: http://venturebeat.com/2012/05/15/diablo-iii-error-37-memes/#s:diablo-iii-meme-emperor
I would think they (Blizzard) would be embarrassed, but they are probably too busy counting their money.
Alas, the only gaming site I read is this one. Well, this and BGG. I don't spend time reading about video games -- I'm more into playing them. The reason I spend time reading about Dominion and other strategy games is that they have a depth to them that most video games don't have.
If/when I come across a deep video game, I'll look up an article or two, sure. However, I don't really haunt video game commentary sites/forums.
As for TF2: I've actually found to be quite deep -- the class selection, team composition, and loadout variables are all part of a game that is much much deeper than your standard FPS. Almost like an RPG FPS. Pretty neat.
I really enjoyed D2 and D2:LoD. However, I haven't played it in over a decade (since high school). Had no clue that D3 was in the works. There was quite a bit of subtlety in D2 -- various skill paths, items, etc. Might be worth some time. Not a ton in the budget, though.
As an aside: Frisk, you planning on playing any TF2 this week? We could get you, theory, Kuildeous, and I in a game (and any others out there, if you exist). You know, stack the teams, inflict our badassery upon newbies courtesy of f.ds ... sound like fun?
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So, somehow I never played the original Diablo or D2.
Is it just me, or is the equation
Diablo = (Nethack - Quirky Item System - Insane Difficulty) + ([Insert Fighting Game] - PVP) + Story + Quests
Approximately correct?
This is kind of true. (although I would have gone for Rogue rather than nethack!)
But its essentially basically a dungeon Hack N Slash with lots and lots of various items and a bit of storyline and quest.
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So, somehow I never played the original Diablo or D2.
Is it just me, or is the equation
Diablo = (Nethack - Quirky Item System - Insane Difficulty) + ([Insert Fighting Game] - PVP) + Story + Quests
Approximately correct?
+1 for nethack!
Diablo is light on quests relative to more formal RPGS... although there is a story you are working through.
Diablo is a gothic themed slot machine, where instead of pulling a lever, you kill monsters, and instead of getting money, you get items.
The "game" is basically trying to figure out out the best skills to use to maximize the amount of items you can get for the minimum amount of time.
There is a story - and it looks like it takes between 8 (really rushing) and 20 (really playing slow) hours to complete. Once you finish it, you play it again on a harder difficulty (nightmare), and then again (hell difficulty), and then one more time (inferno difficulty). Blizzard claims that inferno is so hard that none of their internal testers were able to beat it.
Once you're done, then end game is usually about some manner of item hunting runs. (The rewards of which are better items which make future item hunting runs faster!) They've allegedly tweaked things a bit to make it more interesting than D2 end game, but I don't know that we'll know this for sure until people are actually at the end of the game.
I love it, and nethack, but they scratch different itches. You'll never die by falling down the stairs and having your cockatrice corpse weapon (wielded with gloves of course) kill you in Diablo. Angels however, are lovingly rendered in 3d.... vs. ascii character 65.
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As an aside: Frisk, you planning on playing any TF2 this week? We could get you, theory, Kuildeous, and I in a game (and any others out there, if you exist). You know, stack the teams, inflict our badassery upon newbies courtesy of f.ds ... sound like fun?[/i]
No, i'm totally addicted to Diablo 3, and will be spending far too much of my non existent free time hunting for items.
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As an aside: Frisk, you planning on playing any TF2 this week? We could get you, theory, Kuildeous, and I in a game (and any others out there, if you exist). You know, stack the teams, inflict our badassery upon newbies courtesy of f.ds ... sound like fun?[/i]
No, i'm totally addicted to Diablo 3, and will be spending far too much of my non existent free time hunting for items.
Fair enough. :D
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Heh, Frisk, my equation was actually based on about 4 hours of D3 game play--just got to the Skeleton King. It's been interesting so far, liking it but not sure how long I'll play it.
If/when I come across a deep video game, I'll look up an article or two, sure.
WOW is ridiculously deep if you're the sort of person who spends hours min-maxing an RPG character.
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3003 is the new 37. (The error I got last night)
I have been able to play a decent amount. Level 8 Barb at the moment.
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Heh, Frisk, my equation was actually based on about 4 hours of D3 game play--just got to the Skeleton King. It's been interesting so far, liking it but not sure how long I'll play it.
If/when I come across a deep video game, I'll look up an article or two, sure.
WOW is ridiculously deep if you're the sort of person who spends hours min-maxing an RPG character.
WOW was not enough motivation. For me, the biggest thing in an RPG is the goal -- what am I working towards? Just near-endlessly building my character's stats/skills or endlessly searching for items to help me build my character's stats/skills is not enough. I am willing to sink a bunch of time into developing a character for the purpose of completing some in-game goal... but not for no purpose at all.
I actually enjoyed D2's storyline, quests (even non-essential ones) and the like. It was my main reason to play the game at all. For me, the time spent developing my character was worth it because the goal was to be able to complete the game on the hardest difficulty (inferno or nightmare or whatever). Once completed, further play was kinda meaningless to me.
If the object of a video game is to develop a character merely for the sake of developing a character, then it is not really for me. I think that is one of the reasons that I am not really into the Sims but I am into games like Civilization. Both are strategy; one is much more goal-oriented than the other, though (IMHO).
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Every hack 'n slash game is similar:
- Make a character you're comfortable with and run through the entire game, investing every nook and cranny
- After you've talked to 2 characters with multiple lines of text, you'll probably skip the rest
- Go from signpost to signpost character collecting quests and sidequests
- Sidequest are in the form: Go there, defend this or get that
- After you've beaten the game, make an item-gathering character that can run bosses fast and get lots of good items
- Get the "wow, this is a great bow for my Demon Hunter (rogue-type char)" feeling when you find a good unique or rare item
- Never actually play with the bow, but trade it instead
Eventually these games become all about the items and squeezing every possible attribute point out of a build.
But what Diablo does best is moodsetting. The game can create such an eerie mood that gets you really involved.
Received my copy today, let's have a look!
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- Never actually play with the bow, but trade it instead
The Burrito Cannon (http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/fluxs-decahedron-10-the-best-worst-uniques-in-diablo-ii) (of 1.09) would like to have a word with you.
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- Never actually play with the bow, but trade it instead
The Burrito Cannon (http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/fluxs-decahedron-10-the-best-worst-uniques-in-diablo-ii) (of 1.09) would like to have a word with you.
I once found a perfect one....................but it was after the runewords were introduced.
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Just got a copy of my CD key and downloading the game client now, 7 gigs!
So the question is whether to wait up 50 minutes for that to download (past midnight) and start playing tonight...
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Co-op is really fun. Me and 2 friends (barb, me monk,WD) ran through normal in 8-9hours. We pooled together items on boss kills so nothing goes to waste.
Single player is unbearably slow IMHO. Especially if you're a Mage or Demon hunter... ranged damage in general is really weak and you never pick up exactly what you need.
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I joined a pub last night after installing the game and it was a pretty decent game for a pub.
I chose Demon Hunter as it seemed like a fun class and got together with a Wizard and a Witch Doctor.
We blasted through to Jondar and that's where I had to quit, because my wife wanted to go to bed. >:(
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Some more thoughts...
Loot has picked up, I now have stash full of junk rares that I can't justify selling - because I hate destroying things, but aren't good enough to use. I'm Frisk#1123 if anyone needs some gear tonight after 9pm ish.
I just started Act 4, and I have a suspicion that it's going to be a short one... I just hit lvl 29, and the consensus is that you finish normal @ 30 more or less on the button.
That said, I've been having a ton of fun, and right now I'm torn on whether I want to smoke theory @ twilight struggle this weekend, or blow him off and slaughter demons instead.
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Single player is unbearably slow IMHO. Especially if you're a Mage or Demon hunter... ranged damage in general is really weak and you never pick up exactly what you need.
It hasn't felt all that slow to me (Wizard) but I'm very, very, very methodical about doing extra exploring and the extra killing that goes with it, and... well, reading all the quest text and conversations. For reference, I'm level 14 after about 5 hours of actual play, and ~90% of the way through Act I. I don't think I'd be happy rushing through the first time without stopping for all the RP stuff. Once I'm through Normal, I may change that.
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Single player is unbearably slow IMHO. Especially if you're a Mage or Demon hunter... ranged damage in general is really weak and you never pick up exactly what you need.
It hasn't felt all that slow to me (Wizard) but I'm very, very, very methodical about doing extra exploring and the extra killing that goes with it, and... well, reading all the quest text and conversations. For reference, I'm level 14 after about 5 hours of actual play, and ~90% of the way through Act I. I don't think I'd be happy rushing through the first time without stopping for all the RP stuff. Once I'm through Normal, I may change that.
Well - I can say as a barb that while wrecking stuff is fun with HULK SMASH AOE, I've died several times (50/50 mix of stupidity and unbearable server lag) ... the new potion system and delayed cast TPs make it very easy to get trapped, hosed.
I'm considering re-rolling ranged after normal is done because I feel like I'd have more control.
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That's why I chose Demon Hunter, Frisk.
From the character text I read I thought he would be pretty good at keeping monsters at bay.
I'm also playing Titan Quest at the moment with a bowslinger and am learning to play more defensively.
I used to always pick a melee class, but I like ranged better now.
May well try the witch doctor with his summoning soon.
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That's why I chose Demon Hunter, Frisk.
From the character text I read I thought he would be pretty good at keeping monsters at bay.
I'm also playing Titan Quest at the moment with a bowslinger and am learning to play more defensively.
I used to always pick a melee class, but I like ranged better now.
May well try the witch doctor with his summoning soon.
I hated the WD from the open beta weekend. Every single one of his abilities seemed like it was the result of a 10 year old brain storming.
Blizzard Dude 1: Hey, we need some kindof short ranged AoE attack
Blizzard Dude 2: How about he breathes fire?
Blizzard Dude 1: Yeah, but we already did that in diablo 1 and 2 (inferno)... tell you what, instead of breathing fire... maybe he breathes.... BATS!
Blizzard Dude 2: What if the bats were on fire?
[fist bump]
Blizzard Dude 1: Hey, this class needs some pets
Blizzard Dude 2: Skeletons?
Blizzard Dude 1: Yeah, but we already did that.
Blizzard Dude 2: Hmm... Pets... Cats, Dogs, Hamsters, Donkeys? All boring. How about Zombies? Everyone likes Zombies
Blizzard Dude 1: Yeah, but we already have zombies. You're killing them all day.
Blizzard Dude 2: .... Zombie.... Dogs?
[fist bump]
Blizzard Dude 1: All right, now we need a charged bolt equivalent thing for our dear witch doctor? You know... some kindof randomish AOE thing?
Blizzard Dude 2: [puts down his diablo 3 collectors edition bong] Umm... lets have him throw a never ending supply of jars... and in the jars, will be a bunch of spiders the size of a small zombie dogs
Blizzard Dude 1: That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Blizzard Dude 2: Yeah, would you rather think up something else, or take another hit on this bong?
Blizzard Dude 1: Pass it over here.
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That said, I've been having a ton of fun, and right now I'm torn on whether I want to smoke theory @ twilight struggle this weekend, or blow him off and slaughter demons instead.
Didn't know you played TS. Very cool. 8) IRL or over the interwebs or both?
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Im in
Ozle#2420
Was torn between Witch Doctor and Monk.
Went Monk
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To those wondering about length:
I just finished normal @ lvl 31 - just a few minutes under 15 hours. Felt fine to me. I was less thorough regarding full exploration from Act 3 onward, but I wasn't exactly rushing either.
Anyone want to play nightmare tonight?
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Maybe the TS can include a list of player names so people can add and find each other?
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Maybe the TS can include a list of player names so people can add and find each other?
What does TS mean in this context? If "Twilight Struggle", then I am really confused about what you are referring to here.
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Maybe the TS can include a list of player names so people can add and find each other?
What does TS mean in this context? If "Twilight Struggle", then I am really confused about what you are referring to here.
I had the same question, and I came to the conclusion that it stood for "Thread Starter"... although anyone in Southwest CT who would like to play Twilight Struggle this evening should PM me immediately.
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Maybe the TS can include a list of player names so people can add and find each other?
What does TS mean in this context? If "Twilight Struggle", then I am really confused about what you are referring to here.
Teamspeak I guess, or more likely Threadstarter.
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Maybe the TS can include a list of player names so people can add and find each other?
What does TS mean in this context? If "Twilight Struggle", then I am really confused about what you are referring to here.
Topic Starter. If he can put a list in his starting post, it could be really helpful.
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Huh, I've never seen that acronym used. "OP" for "original poster" is much, much, more common.
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Huh, I've never seen that acronym used. "OP" for "original poster" is much, much, more common.
Hmm, maybe it's a Dutch thing, never had a problem with it before. :P
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Yeah, i skipped it because I thought they were talking about Teamspeak! Always OP if I was going to use an acronym!
And I cant believe people have forgotten my name again! *cries*
Added the names, but can only see 3 in this thread, let me know if I have missed yours
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Yeah, i skipped it because I thought they were talking about Teamspeak! Always OP if I was going to use an acronym!
And I cant believe people have forgotten my name again! *cries*
It's not that they've forgotten, it's that we're on page 3 and no one wants to click back and look at page one. ;)
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Yeah, i skipped it because I thought they were talking about Teamspeak! Always OP if I was going to use an acronym!
And I cant believe people have forgotten my name again! *cries*
Added the names, but can only see 3 in this thread, let me know if I have missed yours
Don't know mine yet, @WRK at the moment so have to wait 'till tonight to have a look.
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I had the same question, and I came to the conclusion that it stood for "Thread Starter"... although anyone in Southwest CT who would like to play Twilight Struggle this evening should PM me immediately.
It depends, what does CT stand for?!
(This joke would have been funnier if I could think of a single place near me that could fit the initials CT too....)
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Canterbury :P
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Canterbury :P
I suppose that is quite near in relative terms for Americans, but in UK terms thats faaaar away! (at least three counties or a 3 hour train trip!)
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The Netherlands is a very small country, but going to the top of the country feels like going to the edge of the world.
To give a comparison: The Netherlands is only a little bigger than the New York metropolitan area.
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The Netherlands is a very small country, but going to the top of the country feels like going to the edge of the world.
To give a comparison: The Netherlands is only a little bigger than the New York metropolitan area.
Ahh, remember the days when you dutchies used to own New Amsterdam till we came and took it off you. (And then of course we graciously and of our own free will gave it back to the American people to enjoy)
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I had the same question, and I came to the conclusion that it stood for "Thread Starter"... although anyone in Southwest CT who would like to play Twilight Struggle this evening should PM me immediately.
It depends, what does CT stand for?!
(This joke would have been funnier if I could think of a single place near me that could fit the initials CT too....)
Sorry to disappointing all you Canterburians (?), but CT in the context of my US-centric view is Connecticut.... specifically the town of Southbury.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Southbury,+CT&hl=en&sll=41.277806,-72.831116&sspn=2.144548,4.22699&t=h&hnear=Southbury,+New+Haven,+Connecticut&z=14&iwloc=A
I am told however, that the realm of sanctuary is equally close for all geographies... anyone interested in playing on the America's server tonight - say 8pm eastern?
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Alas, I'm on the Euro server which, luckily, has fewer connection issues.
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Same, Euro.
not had any connection problems at all! (only started last night though)
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Dang. The Diablo 3 thread is going to have me finally starting to learn Twilight Struggle...
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Dang. The Diablo 3 thread is going to have me finally starting to learn Twilight Struggle...
If you want to learn, there are plenty here who would be willing to show you the ropes. If you are ever motivated and interested enough, just PM me. SO fun.
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Dang. The Diablo 3 thread is going to have me finally starting to learn Twilight Struggle...
If you want to learn, there are plenty here who would be willing to show you the ropes. If you are ever motivated and interested enough, just PM me. SO fun.
Oh yes! I would absolutely love to play your first game with you WW. I'll even let you play US. Don't bother reading any of the cards first, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it quickly enough... and some friendly tips, put lots of influence in France and Japan early.
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Hahaha, my sister's boyfriend has it. So immediately after he bought it, I already read through the rulebook, and read all the cards. That was a few months ago though. So US has an advantage, huh? Anyway, where do you guys play online?
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Hahaha, my sister's boyfriend has it. So immediately after he bought it, I already read through the rulebook, and read all the cards. That was a few months ago though. So US has an advantage, huh? Anyway, where do you guys play online?
Theory will disagree with me, but I believe the general consensus is that USSR is slightly more powerful, and you should bid 1 influence to be USSR.
And France and Japan are both bad places to put influence, because Japan is nearly unassailable as USSR (due to some event card that I can't remember), and France is a bad place due to the DeGalle Leads France card.
I just wanted to have joy of whipping up on you before you own that game like you do this one.
As for places to play online, I've played once or twice on War Game Room, which has a big clunky java client. Honestly, even if it means I will never have the skill at TS that I do in Dominion, I don't like to play online. Instead of a quick 5 minute diversion, its a 90+ minute investment.... and you can't ignore your opponents turns, which (with autocount on) you can sometimes do in dominion. The interface isn't great... having a nice big 3 foot map really helps.
Twilight Struggle is like a fine wine, or a few fingers of single malt scotch... best enjoyed face to face, instead of alone in the dark with your computer monitor.
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Playing USSR and playing US is experiencing the game from two very different perspectives. US must play for the late game, while USSR is about never letting go of the initiative and pressuring the US early on.
I recommend beginners play US, because the early game is dictated by the USSR. Learning how that works is pretty important for both sides. I don't believe there's a big advantage one way or the other by the time you reach expert level. I prefer playing US, for example.
There are two or three "big traps", in that there are some cards that are really devastating if you don't know about them. I don't really consider France to be one of them. Japan and Romania are really the biggest dangers for either side, because events will come out that basically grant them to the US and USSR, respectively.
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There are two or three "big traps", in that there are some cards that are really devastating if you don't know about them. I don't really consider France to be one of them. Japan and Romania are really the biggest dangers for either side, because events will come out that basically grant them to the US and USSR, respectively.
Fine fine... it's not that big of a trap... its just slightly more pithy than say... "Play all of your big cards first, you never really want to be holding on to cards with 3 or more ops toward the end of your turn" (to pay for Blockade)
I think that's one of the only of the only cards that I explicitly call out when teaching someone the game... because if you don't know about that... its just brutal. http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/511878/discussing-blockade
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Playing USSR and playing US is experiencing the game from two very different perspectives. US must play for the late game, while USSR is about never letting go of the initiative and pressuring the US early on.
I recommend beginners play US, because the early game is dictated by the USSR. Learning how that works is pretty important for both sides. I don't believe there's a big advantage one way or the other by the time you reach expert level. I prefer playing US, for example.
There are two or three "big traps", in that there are some cards that are really devastating if you don't know about them. I don't really consider France to be one of them. Japan and Romania are really the biggest dangers for either side, because events will come out that basically grant them to the US and USSR, respectively.
Having come to Dominion via Twilight Struggle, am 100% confident that theory hits the ball squarely here in his response. When you are inexperienced, play the US. Being steamrolled by the USSR player a few times will help you learn much about a) how to play a good defensive US game in the early war and b) what a good, aggressive Soviet ought to be doing.
As for online play, the wargameroom.com interface/system does seem a bit cumbersome at first. However, once you are used to it, it really is quite nice. I thoroughly enjoy playing TS there. It supports many, many other games (mostly from the same Card-Driven genre as TS), but the lobby is almost always populated with people looking for a TS game. It is their most popular game by far, as it is quick and easy to play. I like Captain_Frisk, but with all due respect, he is missing out if he thinks online play is anything less than a stellar time. It is no isotropic, that's for sure -- but that is because the game isn't Dominion. We're not talking quick-and-clean Euro here, this is a wargame, and one of the shorter ones, too.
Anyways, there is my advice, WW. Take it for what it is worth. I've taught the game many times (even using the wargameroom interface), so if you're interested in my assistance, feel free to say so. If you would prefer a different tutor, I know many capital gents who would also be great tutors. Having never played theory in TS, I cannot speak from experience that he would be a good tutor -- but knowing him in other contexts, my instincts tell me he would be great.
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Which Act do I have to get too in Diablo to choose whether I am USSR or US?
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Which Act do I have to get too in Diablo to choose whether I am USSR or US?
Act VI
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Argh, got all the snacks in for an afternoon/evening of Diablo and the server is completely down for unscheduled maintenance!
Damn you Blizzard!
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Not sure it's relevant now but I have Diablo 3 and have been playing it since release.
Im half way through nightmare with my demon hunter at level 41, beat normal at level 33.
I have also played a witch doctor (WHY IS THIS NOT A NECROMANCER [with more necromancy based spells and less silly witch doctor crap]) to level 23
and a wizard to level 8
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Captain Frisk said this in the Mafia I quicktopic, and my response got long, so I thought I would put it here instead of there.
Not to derail - but how are you liking D3?
I've got a 52ish wizard - and I'm feeling a little mixed. I think that the Auction house is actually really bad for the game.
I'm at about 43 with my main solo DH getting close to the end of act 2 NM. I have a Wizard at 36 that I am playing Coop with a friend, and a 30ish Barbarian that I sprinted through normal with. I am liking everything pretty well so far, but have mostly avoided the Auction House.
I'm mixed on the Auction House. When I was playing D2, I really wanted a currency for more than the best most expensive items (high runes). It felt like it was impossible to trade up into the higher tiers because no one was going to trade you a top tier item for a pile of useful but mid tier items. The item system in D3 just feels to muddy to me for it to work the right way right now, but I think that has more to do with my unfamiliarity with the item system so far than anything. It is also matters less to me right now because I haven't reached the end game yet, and none of the equipment I have now will be useful in 5 more levels.
I like the idea of not letting legendaries be best in slot for every character, which prevents having to farm for them endlessly, but it has made gearing up feel like a crap shoot. I just look at all the items I find and swap gear as I find things that are better. I don't feel like I am striving for anything in particular at this point. The game has also seemed pretty super easy to this point, but it would appear that my understanding of mechanics and general ability is above average after playing coop with some friends of mine other than my buddy I played a ton of D2 with.
I wanted the Auction House badly in D2 because there were so many uniques that I needed, but you were always at the mercy of the RNG to find the thing you needed. I would find a lot of good stuff that I didn't need, and trading was a nightmare. I guess I feel like the AH will still serve the purpose that I wanted it for in D2 once I actually know what I am looking for. It is so frustrating to be farming endlessly for an item you need and finding item after item that has similar value to what you need, but for a different character. The AH, in theory, lets you sell those items and buy the one you need instead of going back to the wall and hitting your head against it one more time.
I don't think the auction house is great as it stands right now. My impression of it so far is it is just a quick fix for my noob friends that don't know how to gear their character. They can just go buy a super high dps weapon and patch most of their issues there. I haven't touched the AH, and I am just crushing the game through the first half of NM so far (not trying to say that is impressive), and I still have more dps than my friends that went out to the AH and spend a bunch of gold on a weapon.
As a side note, my account actually got hacked into the in the middle of the day Sunday. I lost about 140,000 gold and a few crafting pages, but luckily they didn't strip any gear (not that it was any good on characters running in normal), or didn't have time to before I recovered my account and changed my password.
I'd like to hear more about why you think the AH is bad for the game. I think it is just being used as a crutch for bad players right now, but I don't know if that is a bad thing. I do think it will be good once the economy stabilizes and more of the players learn what they need and what they don't.
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All right! Discussion!
Granted, I'm still not end end game, but I'm now about 1/2 through Hell difficulty.
My feeling is this:
When you play a $diablo game for the first time - single player, there's an expected difficulty curve. You're at the mercy of the RNG for your drops, maybe you buy some vendor trash if you go a long time without being able to upgrade your gear.
When you play the 2nd time, the game is alot faster - because you've probably twinked some leftover good gear for your next character.
When you play in a party or with friends - you're faster still, you guys can share loot and make sure that the if gear for a wizard drops, the wizard gets it, etc.
The auction house basically makes it so you're playing in a party with the entire region. If you find something decent - but not for you, you can sell it on the auction house. Because its not amazing, you'll probably dump it cheaply (because the vendor gives you approximately 0 dollars for any items). It's trivial to hop on the auction house and search for a piece of gear that's an upgrade - especially since you really only care about 3 things.... the armor / DPS of the piece, and then how much vitality and primary attribute it gives you. Basically, it makes sure that any semi - viable piece of gear finds a home, rather than being flushed out of the system as it would have in D2.
Higher level folks are raiding vendors from their location and purchasing the blue armor pieces that have the best +primary / + vitality stats, and then posting them on the auction house.
Any of the gear that you find your self is going to be a few item levels beneath what you'd be qualified to buy from the AH - so you rarely find any upgrades - which really takes the shine off of looting, and because anything that you find is not likely to be end game viable, there's no reason (other than purity of spirit) not to use the AH gear to help get closer to end game.
The end result is that I pop in for an hour, find a piece or two that might be worth putting on the AH for someone who's 5 levels below me, and gain 1/2 a level. Hell is HARD without gear, but buying the gear to make it viable makes the item hunt experience boring.
There are also numerous oddities that the AH causes:
Gem Upgrades - the vendor charges at least $500 and 3 gems of lower level to upgrade - meaning that a flawed gem in theory is worth $500 - even if chipped gems have no value.... but from the auction house (before they disabled it), Perfect gems were selling for about $200. For this reason - you should absolutely not use the gem vendor until you get to the point where you can no longer find the gems naturally. You also shouldn't bother un-socketing the gems, unless you actually want to put a better gem in the same item.
Salvaging - blue items salvage 1-2 pieces of crafting material - or can sell for $100 - $300 at the vendor. You can buy stacks of crafting material for $20 per item - so you should always sell your items, and buy the crafting supplies.
Crafting - why bother paying the blacksmith to craft your items, when you can just buy crafted items from the AH that someone else didn't want? Almost always cheaper than endlessly re-rolling hoping for the stats you want.... faster too!
I'm also generally in agreement with the complainers regarding legendary items. I've found exactly 1 in 40 hours of play... and it sucked. If they made the design decision to make perfectly rolled rares more powerful than legendary / sets, then make the drop rates of legendary items better so that at least we can have the joy of finding them.... If you're going to make them super super super difficult to find, then let me have some joy of playing with them!
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Starting a bit backwards.
I agree 100% on legendaries. If they aren't going to be the best items, (not even close to the best items) they should be way more common. If they are going to be good enough to spec your whole character in and crush the end game like D2, then I think the absurdly low drop rate they have implemented would be good because no one except the most dedicated folks would manage to get them all (and even that would take a long time using the AH since most people would not be selling the very few they find).
Artisans... you are totally right, but this is not a problem with the AH. This is a problem with the artisans sucking and being way too expensive. (I guess the AH makes them suck more by relativity, but even without it they would suck.) Blizzard has already basically admitted that they are bad and are making changes. There is a post about changes coming (which probably won't be drastic enough, but that is beside the point). The Jeweler is a different issue. Because gems drop up to level 8, the AH will always be flooded with level 8 gems (or at least 7s/6s) that just drop off of mobs. This means that those gems will have a market price that they settle at and every lower gem has to be worth less (and exponentially less because of how they combine). I don't honestly think the lowest tiers of gems can legitimately cost more than nothing to combine. Maybe gold prices will inflate enough to make the Jeweler costs make sense, but I highly doubt it.
Regarding crafting components costing less than you can sell the items for to vendors... O.o ...I wasn't aware of that, but I don't think that is a problem with the AH either. I think that is a problem with idiots. Given time, I would expect that to settle out to a logical place. For the short term just be happy that you found a market error that could be exploited. But... exploited to what end? You also discovered that the Blacksmith is simply useless.
On that note, I feel was the blacksmith just implemented very poorly. Now, I haven't touched it or upgraded him at all since I decided he was worthless, so maybe there is something I am missing, but from what I have heard there isn't. You are right that the AH makes the blacksmith irrelevant. I don't understand why they made the blacksmith the way they did even if there wasn't an AH. Pretend it wasn't there... people wouldn't trade as much gear as they do on the AH, but trading would still exist. It still wouldn't make sense to salvage 10s of crappy items to roll another item that is probably just going to be crappy too. (At least at the gold to materials rate that exists now.) Removing the AH here just takes you back to the frustrating rip-off artist filled ad hoc trading that we had in D2. It wouldn't fix the blacksmith, it would just make trading suck, potentially elevating the blacksmith to the less sucky of the two sucky choices.
So my opinion on the blacksmith is that he needs to provide something that is different from random drops off of mobs. If all he can do is grind random drops into more random drops with the only incentive being getting to pick the base item, I can just go kill more mobs for random drops. Trading exists no matter how hard they make it so getting more drops and finding something to trade will always be better than wasting time and money on grinding trash into more trash.
I played a Diablo 2 full conversion mod called MedianXL for quite a while a few years ago, and the crafting system that was implemented there made way more sense. Now crafting there was intended to be the ultimate end game gear, but I think the concept works even if that isn't the goal. In Median, you used different crafting materials to generate items with guaranteed stat types on an item. These bonuses were small, but they were consistent, and were generated on top of a "rare" item. If you got lucky enough to roll amazing base rare stats, with the auto-mods on top, you could get an item that was better than any rare that could drop. This was a system that worked. It gives crafting a purpose, consistency, and that slim chance to get something you can't get anywhere else (incentive). Sadly the D3 blacksmith as he exists right now seems to just be a gold sink for people who don't know any better.
Wow... I still haven't said anything about your main AH comments. Ugh.
I think you make good points about finding gear for the players 5 levels below you, selling it and buying your upgrades from the AH. I can see how that takes away the satisfaction of finding shiny new loot. I guess my own intentional avoidance of the AH has shielded me from this so far. I guess maybe this is an issue of not actually being able to find the gear that you need *right now* to survive in the area you are in, but if you could find that gear, the game would probably be too easy. (Perhaps it is since you can find it on the AH.) But if you can't find it, and you take away the AH, then what is left other than a grind fest. I guess you just get by with the gear you have like we did in D2, but hell in D2 was always incredibly frustrating until I managed to grind a sorceress up to where she was strong enough to run hell Mephisto for decent loot. I'm not sure where I was going with that point. I guess, I see that the AH makes some of the loot finding less fun than D2, but I think taking it away would just bring back some of the incredibly annoying aspects of D2. Then again, it is possible they added a feature D2 needed to a game they designed to not need it.
Holy Rambling Batman. I think I repeated the same thing a few too many times, but I need to wrap up I guess.
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You're just about getting to the point where I found the difficulty ramped significantly. I'm curious as to how you feel about finding the items you need to progress as you hit late nightmare and hell.
I still enjoy the game... and there are a lot of things I like about it. Chasing after treasure goblins, I found a timed dungeon today in Act II Hell that I had never seen before, and I think that the idea of the skill system is a good one vs. hard and fast skill trees - for many of the reasons that theory's personal hero David Sirlin pointed out: http://www.sirlin.net/blog/2012/5/3/diablo-3s-ability-system.html
I saw their posts on upcoming balance changes, and I look forward to them, I'm confident they will treat the game right.
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Im not quite at that point yet, but the problem I see with the AH is that it totally negates upgrading gear yourself.
I dont think I have ever worn a single piece of item I have found since about level 20. When you can buy much better pieces from the AH for not very much money, and im talking seriously much better.
Its the same with the Blacksmithing. You get no skill points for actually making stuff, just for spending money. And the gear is sub AH and too randomly distributed. So even if you want a top end blacksmith your better off selling all your gear and saving up till you can farm the cash needed at the end and then levelling. Why it doesnt go by use I have no idea!
And legendaries are stupid, not only are they stupidly rare, they have AWFUL stats, I have not seen one yet where it wasnt really easy to be a better blue or yellow off the AH for a fraction of the price. They should be stupidly rare, but they also should be stupidly good for that rarity to mean something. As they are now they are most just trophies.
Overall though I'm really enjoying it, but I doubt ill ever do all the replayability stuff, i have been exploring every nook and cranny on the way through the first couple of difficulty levels and I dont think i would want to do it again, just to get a tiny bit better item.
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Im not quite at that point yet, but the problem I see with the AH is that it totally negates upgrading gear yourself.
I dont think I have ever worn a single piece of item I have found since about level 20. When you can buy much better pieces from the AH for not very much money, and im talking seriously much better.
Its the same with the Blacksmithing. You get no skill points for actually making stuff, just for spending money. And the gear is sub AH and too randomly distributed. So even if you want a top end blacksmith your better off selling all your gear and saving up till you can farm the cash needed at the end and then levelling. Why it doesnt go by use I have no idea!
And legendaries are stupid, not only are they stupidly rare, they have AWFUL stats, I have not seen one yet where it wasnt really easy to be a better blue or yellow off the AH for a fraction of the price. They should be stupidly rare, but they also should be stupidly good for that rarity to mean something. As they are now they are most just trophies.
Overall though I'm really enjoying it, but I doubt ill ever do all the replayability stuff, i have been exploring every nook and cranny on the way through the first couple of difficulty levels and I dont think i would want to do it again, just to get a tiny bit better item.
I'm hoping that the nooks and crannies will be more commonly explored during inferno where progression is difficult. I fully explored everything during my first normal run - and then its been rush rush rush ever since. There is 0 incentive to explore when your real goal is to get to a later act faster - where you level faster, get more gold, and find better items.
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I know this is mostly beside the point, but I want to make the point that visiting the AH is not required. I have been ignoring the AH completely so far other than to poke around with it a couple of times to see how it works. This is partially because I know I will have more fun finding my own gear during the leveling part of the game, and partially because I can't stand spending money on things that I know I will ditch later. My characters are all wearing 100% gear that I found while playing (maybe one or two pieces that dropped for my buddy when we were playing coop). I've probably been exploring around a bit more than the average player, but I don't clear every map 100%. I haven't had any trouble with not having good enough gear. My Demon Hunter is almost to the end of Act 3 Nightmare and still crushing just about everything I encounter.
I guess my main point is, if buying all your gear and not finding your own gear is reducing your enjoyment of the game, then I recommend skipping the AH and forcing yourself to find your own gear. Maybe this just doesn't work because I'm super lucky, not far enough into the game yet, or just picked an OP class to start out with... I don't know.
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I know this is mostly beside the point, but I want to make the point that visiting the AH is not required. I have been ignoring the AH completely so far other than to poke around with it a couple of times to see how it works. This is partially because I know I will have more fun finding my own gear during the leveling part of the game, and partially because I can't stand spending money on things that I know I will ditch later. My characters are all wearing 100% gear that I found while playing (maybe one or two pieces that dropped for my buddy when we were playing coop). I've probably been exploring around a bit more than the average player, but I don't clear every map 100%. I haven't had any trouble with not having good enough gear. My Demon Hunter is almost to the end of Act 3 Nightmare and still crushing just about everything I encounter.
I guess my main point is, if buying all your gear and not finding your own gear is reducing your enjoyment of the game, then I recommend skipping the AH and forcing yourself to find your own gear. Maybe this just doesn't work because I'm super lucky, not far enough into the game yet, or just picked an OP class to start out with... I don't know.
It doesnt ruin my enjoyment of the game, it just makes one part of the game a bit obselete, the only reason I pick stuff up is to sell.
And it definately depends on how far into the game you are, I dont think it really gets difficult until Hell apparently (ive not got that far) but I have breezed through. And then your found gear just wont cut it, unless you have spent hundreds of hours farming (which to me might as well play Idle Quest!)
The only time I actually died so far was when I got hacked and I ran through dungeons looking for any old gear to wear to build myself back up to fighting strength, and then i died loads!
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I'm at Level 47 and about halfway through Act 3 Nightmare. I've also been gearing via the AH, but I don't see it as so much of a problem--most of the time that stuff will get sold down the line to someone else. I've also picked up a number of blues and a couple rares that have been worth selling either to other classes or because they were below my level... but yeah, only very few of my pickups get worn. And yeah... no point to salvaging except in specific instances.
I rather like playing around with different builds, which as I understand was impossible in D2 without re-leveling. It also makes it possible to have separate builds for solo and group play--as a wizard, kiting versus pure nuking. And I've been exploring a good amount just for fun, but not so much on Nightmare of course.
It's been fun, I've gotten my $0 out of it, but I suspect I'll get bored before Mists hits.
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It doesnt ruin my enjoyment of the game, it just makes one part of the game a bit obselete, the only reason I pick stuff up is to sell.
And it definately depends on how far into the game you are, I dont think it really gets difficult until Hell apparently (ive not got that far) but I have breezed through. And then your found gear just wont cut it, unless you have spent hundreds of hours farming (which to me might as well play Idle Quest!)
The only time I actually died so far was when I got hacked and I ran through dungeons looking for any old gear to wear to build myself back up to fighting strength, and then i died loads!
It does make a part of the game a bit obsolete, but I suspect that is a part of the game that many people don't enjoy, so perhaps it is an improvement. People like myself who prefer to grind a little and find our own stuff can choose to avoid the auction house. I'm happy that if/when get to a point where do need to grind for gear, I can do that for a bit, and if I get bored before
I have found what I need, I can go to the AH then.
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I'm not the biggest CAD fan - but its on my rss reader, so it gets read.
This post: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120606/#n2305 ended up summing up my current feeling on the game pretty well.
Right now, based on comparisons to other forumers, I have gear that is acceptable for A1 inferno (30k life, 250-300 resists, 11K dps) - and inferno is workable, but not fun. Champs / Elites are kitefests.
Act IV hell feels fun to me. Nephalim Valor buff rocks. I still get killed, but its enjoyable. I don't want to play in Hell/IV though because I know that the only thing that I'm really doing is griding for money to go to the auction house... but I can find money / items so much faster there than I can slow kiting packs of monsters in Inferno/I.
That said, the 1.03 patch preview looks promising, and the recent Reddit AMA makes me think that they are working to make the game better... I just hope they find a clever way to keep the game interesting, as it really only took a few weeks to get to lvl 60, and now I'm not nearly as excited about logging in.
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I'm not the biggest CAD fan - but its on my rss reader, so it gets read.
This post: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120606/#n2305 ended up summing up my current feeling on the game pretty well.
Right now, based on comparisons to other forumers, I have gear that is acceptable for A1 inferno (30k life, 250-300 resists, 11K dps) - and inferno is workable, but not fun. Champs / Elites are kitefests.
Act IV hell feels fun to me. Nephalim Valor buff rocks. I still get killed, but its enjoyable. I don't want to play in Hell/IV though because I know that the only thing that I'm really doing is griding for money to go to the auction house... but I can find money / items so much faster there than I can slow kiting packs of monsters in Inferno/I.
That said, the 1.03 patch preview looks promising, and the recent Reddit AMA makes me think that they are working to make the game better... I just hope they find a clever way to keep the game interesting, as it really only took a few weeks to get to lvl 60, and now I'm not nearly as excited about logging in.
I'm at level 52 on my monk and 54 on my DH, my monk is a solo character so I got stuck at the kharza staff quest after the first spider boss (Queen aranae) my Demon hunter is a co-op character on act 2. Both are in hell
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I'm at level 52 on my monk and 54 on my DH, my monk is a solo character so I got stuck at the kharza staff quest after the first spider boss (Queen aranae) my Demon hunter is a co-op character on act 2. Both are in hell
I could see those big trees and their poison as a real problem. My main is a wizard, so I don't have the same issues... my problems are fast jailing mortar packs.
Oh - and invulnerable minions....
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I'm at level 52 on my monk and 54 on my DH, my monk is a solo character so I got stuck at the kharza staff quest after the first spider boss (Queen aranae) my Demon hunter is a co-op character on act 2. Both are in hell
I could see those big trees and their poison as a real problem. My main is a wizard, so I don't have the same issues... my problems are fast jailing mortar packs.
Oh - and invulnerable minions....
Invulnerable minions are the WORST for everyone just ruins your day.
My DH hates Fast mortar so I hear that, the jailing isn't as big an issue for the DH. as it is for the monk (no range)
and yea it's the trees mixed in with chargers and a large pack of kharza minions and an elite or a rare pack that hurt the monks play through
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Aside from the obvious (don't stand in the poison), your monk needs an escape move. Try using Tempest Rush. It allows you to bulldoze through mobs to get away/through (ignores collision) and into safer positions. Won't help if you're jailed, of course, but your Serenity can be saved for that. Chain CC will still be an issue, so try to pull as little as possible for any given fight. Caves are the worst (you run out of places to run), and they actually highlight the issue mentioned in the CAD blog.
The point is to stack NV, then go boss hunting. But what do you do when you're on a melee character and the entrance has a pack of Jailer Frozen ArcaneEnchanted Vortex FireChains mobs? Did I mention they were naturally fast, too, like bats or something? Well, you die. Then you decide: can I skip this cave, or do I have to reset the game, losing my NV stack? Sucks when that cave is your progression, not optional.
I guess that's partially why I have a 60 mage, barb, and monk. Each of them gets frustrating at times, so I need to switch around if I want to keep my interest in the game, given all the guaranteed instant-and-repeated death that gets thrown out of the randomizer. I get the most success out of kiting with the mage, but that's also the least interesting method to play, to me.
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I guess that's partially why I have a 60 mage, barb, and monk. Each of them gets frustrating at times, so I need to switch around if I want to keep my interest in the game, given all the guaranteed instant-and-repeated death that gets thrown out of the randomizer. I get the most success out of kiting with the mage, but that's also the least interesting method to play, to me.
Are you playing solo, or in groups?
I'm finding mage in group to be fun, but solo in inferno to be un-fun. Blizzard -> Venom Hydra -> Kite Kite Kite Kite Kite. If the monster has extra health? Great - I'm going to be running for a while. I've now got my resists up to ~350... maybe I can afford some glass cannon now.
When in a group though, then options are around... one person can run past the trouble monsters and then everyone can teleport down to them. i wish there were more explicit "taunt" abilities to help separate packs etc.
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I'm mostly playing solo, because I can start and quit whenever I like and don't have to excuse myself.
Sometimes a friend joins or I join one of my friends to help out, but that's about it.
I'm playing a Demon Hunter which is lvl 43 and in A2 NM now.
It's getting harder and harder killing the blue and yellow monsters, because they get stuck in my trap for less time than the regular white monsters it seems.
So basically I lay the slow/immobilize trap, place a Sentry and fire a bit with Rapid Fire. Then the group comes out of the trap and I rinse and repeat.
What's really annoying is that my Templar doesn't (seem to) take any aggro. So every monster rushes towards me, the glass cannon. I wish he could taunt them better or something, not just when I'm close to dying.
And I find myself having to do an Auction Hall upgrade every few levels. While I don't find this annoying as I think the AH is done pretty well and makes it easy to buy and sell stuff, I think the drop rates can be made a lot better. Maybe I'm too perfectionistic as I like to have insane amounts of Dex and Vita at all times, but 11k+ life at lvl 43. isn't that unnecessary.
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I guess that's partially why I have a 60 mage, barb, and monk. Each of them gets frustrating at times, so I need to switch around if I want to keep my interest in the game, given all the guaranteed instant-and-repeated death that gets thrown out of the randomizer. I get the most success out of kiting with the mage, but that's also the least interesting method to play, to me.
Are you playing solo, or in groups?
I'm finding mage in group to be fun, but solo in inferno to be un-fun. Blizzard -> Venom Hydra -> Kite Kite Kite Kite Kite. If the monster has extra health? Great - I'm going to be running for a while. I've now got my resists up to ~350... maybe I can afford some glass cannon now.
When in a group though, then options are around... one person can run past the trouble monsters and then everyone can teleport down to them. i wish there were more explicit "taunt" abilities to help separate packs etc.
Some of both. I'd drop my BattleTag, but I don't have the mobile authenticator to look it up. DaveTheMage#something. I also do the blizzard>hydra>kite method (no other way to live, though let it be said that I can completely see how it would be possible to magetank if I had the right gear), but I find it extremely boring, so much so that I'm currently running without a signature spell and subbing in Disintegrate, instead. I find the added power allows me to mow down groups when I have/want to, and it even works well in group play. It doesn't drain my AP pool all that fast, so I can throw a couple hundred thousand damage on the whole mob group occasionally, which helps with the boredom of kiting.
That being said, the extra mob health in group play is troublesome at times, and I'll spend a couple seconds doing nothing every once in a while waiting for the AP to recharge a little. It's not so frequent that I feel like not having Magic Missile is a horrible mistake, but I think about it. Blizzard, itself, does not do enough damage, nor does the poison pool from Venom Hydra, without being able to get the mobs stuck in it for a bit. The monk suck-em-in move (name escapes me, window switching on Android not worth the time) is awesome for that. Of course, that move also lines them up nicely for Disintegrate.
In solo play (though it's still tough in groups), the real issue is the followers' AI. I know it's not a true MMO with that design, but they can't tank. There's no discernable threat model. The best we've come up with is whoever hits them first, so we try to let our monk or barb to go in and grab "aggro". With the followers, good luck. Even if you let the Templar charge in, as soon as you hit something, they're all coming for you, instead. You'd think maybe at least Tyreal could tank, but no. So, it's kite all day, and that puts me to sleep.
I try the melee characters to see if I can "tank" better than my friends, and for the change of pace, but starting with Act II Inferno, it goes significantly downhill. My barb has like 70% DR from armor and 45K health, but not enough resists to live long. My monk has about 60%, less health, and more resists (and One With Everything), but it's still a chore. The BS is useless, and I need more money for the AH, so it is what it is. Both of them, if solo, just run into random combinations like I described earlier that are roughly impossible.
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I'm mostly playing solo, because I can start and quit whenever I like and don't have to excuse myself.
Sometimes a friend joins or I join one of my friends to help out, but that's about it.
I'm playing a Demon Hunter which is lvl 43 and in A2 NM now.
It's getting harder and harder killing the blue and yellow monsters, because they get stuck in my trap for less time than the regular white monsters it seems.
So basically I lay the slow/immobilize trap, place a Sentry and fire a bit with Rapid Fire. Then the group comes out of the trap and I rinse and repeat.
What's really annoying is that my Templar doesn't (seem to) take any aggro. So every monster rushes towards me, the glass cannon. I wish he could taunt them better or something, not just when I'm close to dying.
And I find myself having to do an Auction Hall upgrade every few levels. While I don't find this annoying as I think the AH is done pretty well and makes it easy to buy and sell stuff, I think the drop rates can be made a lot better. Maybe I'm too perfectionistic as I like to have insane amounts of Dex and Vita at all times, but 11k+ life at lvl 43. isn't that unnecessary.
I didn't quote both of you in the last reply, but do agree on both the Templar and AH points. As always, more DPS is the answer :P
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Are you guys having any luck finding legendaries?
I'm lvl 43 with my first character and so far have found 3, currently in A3 NM.
I said this to a friend of mine who was amazed as he has found 0!
He asked around in a game with 4 lvl 60's. One guy had found 3, two others had found 1 and he had found 0 as mentioned.
I don't know whether I'm extremely lucky or he's extremely unlucky.
What I've noticed is that the legendaries don't always drop from bosses. I think I've gotten one on a boss and the other two from random monsters or chests.
The legendaries I've found so far are Broken Crown (http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/broken-crown), Chaingmail (http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/chaingmail) and Standoff (http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/standoff).
I don't know anything about the drop rates, but I think Blizzard has turned them low to start things off so they could see what would happen on the Auction Hall or something. This is pure speculation however, but I'm curious why people are finding so few.
And sure, a good rare is better than a bad legendary, but still...
How are you guys faring?
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I have found 2, and bought one from the AH because it showed up in my recommended equipment and was a reasonable upgrade at the time.
I found the "Awesome" bracers, which I can wear for about 5 levels:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/steady-strikers
I bought this helm, which worked for me because the random stats it rolled with were vitality and intelligence, otherwise mostly useless.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/blind-faith
And then I found this in Act 4 Hell from a weapon stand while farming diablo.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/the-sultan-of-blinding-sand
I have no idea what to do with that... completely useless, because with required lvl 59, you can use it for 30 minutes until you hit 60, at which point you guy buy a 800 dps one hander.
None of those 3 items are good enough to warrant the atrociously low drop rates.
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I guess that's partially why I have a 60 mage, barb, and monk. Each of them gets frustrating at times, so I need to switch around if I want to keep my interest in the game, given all the guaranteed instant-and-repeated death that gets thrown out of the randomizer. I get the most success out of kiting with the mage, but that's also the least interesting method to play, to me.
Are you playing solo, or in groups?
I'm finding mage in group to be fun, but solo in inferno to be un-fun. Blizzard -> Venom Hydra -> Kite Kite Kite Kite Kite. If the monster has extra health? Great - I'm going to be running for a while. I've now got my resists up to ~350... maybe I can afford some glass cannon now.
When in a group though, then options are around... one person can run past the trouble monsters and then everyone can teleport down to them. i wish there were more explicit "taunt" abilities to help separate packs etc.
Some of both. I'd drop my BattleTag, but I don't have the mobile authenticator to look it up. DaveTheMage#something. I also do the blizzard>hydra>kite method (no other way to live, though let it be said that I can completely see how it would be possible to magetank if I had the right gear), but I find it extremely boring, so much so that I'm currently running without a signature spell and subbing in Disintegrate, instead. I find the added power allows me to mow down groups when I have/want to, and it even works well in group play. It doesn't drain my AP pool all that fast, so I can throw a couple hundred thousand damage on the whole mob group occasionally, which helps with the boredom of kiting.
That being said, the extra mob health in group play is troublesome at times, and I'll spend a couple seconds doing nothing every once in a while waiting for the AP to recharge a little. It's not so frequent that I feel like not having Magic Missile is a horrible mistake, but I think about it. Blizzard, itself, does not do enough damage, nor does the poison pool from Venom Hydra, without being able to get the mobs stuck in it for a bit. The monk suck-em-in move (name escapes me, window switching on Android not worth the time) is awesome for that. Of course, that move also lines them up nicely for Disintegrate.
So I've just gotten my mage to 60 and am currently playing A4 Hell. I've been running with an Arcane-combo build from the DiabloFans forums--Arc Hydra instead of Venom, Arcane Orb, Magic Missile, and Temporal Flux (slow on Arcane damage). With enough crit and a piece or two of +AP on Crit gear, you can cast a lot of Orbs on a lot of slow mobs, though I haven't gotten that sort of gear quite yet. I'd strongly recommend dropping Disintegrate, though; anything that requires you to channel is going to kill you while kiting.
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Are you guys having any luck finding legendaries?
I've had 3 drop, plus a Wizard set piece. I had a low-level barbarian 2 hander, that I sold, Skywarden, that I used on the wizard a while, then sold, and Nailbiter, that sold for a decent amount. The stats on the set piece were terrible, so I sold that for 1.9M, then bought the weapon my Wizard is still using.
Drop rates are intentionally low, and Blizzard admitted they screwed up on Legendaries and are fixing their stats soon. Only the set piece dropped off a boss.
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I'd strongly recommend dropping Disintegrate, though; anything that requires you to channel is going to kill you while kiting.
I don't die much, at all. That's the point to kiting. Disintegrate is used for extreme burst, when it's safe to do so, and hits everything in the beam. Generally, a finisher.
I like Arcane Orbs, but they're directional, even from the Hydra, and kiting is constantly changing the angle of attack and position of the mobs, thus the orbs can often miss. Conversely, the attack from Venom Hydra is directed, so it will always hit, even while moving all around. Also, to maximize orb damage, the mobs have to be in the blast radius, and the orbs explode on first contact. So, you may get some random white mob instead of the blue/yellow pack you want to hit.
If I were truly worried about having something else to use while kiting, I'd swap Disintegrate for Magic Missile with the Seeker rune (another spell guaranteed to hit). Disintegrate is used to pour on damage when it's safe to stand still and do so, and will hit more mobs than an Arcane Orb will.
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Are you guys having any luck finding legendaries?
I've had 3 drop, plus a Wizard set piece. I had a low-level barbarian 2 hander, that I sold, Skywarden, that I used on the wizard a while, then sold, and Nailbiter, that sold for a decent amount. The stats on the set piece were terrible, so I sold that for 1.9M, then bought the weapon my Wizard is still using.
Drop rates are intentionally low, and Blizzard admitted they screwed up on Legendaries and are fixing their stats soon. Only the set piece dropped off a boss.
Too bad the markets are already being flooded by Chinese goldfarmers who are hyperinflating.
I really wonder why Blizzard doesn't do anything about botting...
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Are you guys having any luck finding legendaries?
I've had 3 drop, plus a Wizard set piece. I had a low-level barbarian 2 hander, that I sold, Skywarden, that I used on the wizard a while, then sold, and Nailbiter, that sold for a decent amount. The stats on the set piece were terrible, so I sold that for 1.9M, then bought the weapon my Wizard is still using.
Drop rates are intentionally low, and Blizzard admitted they screwed up on Legendaries and are fixing their stats soon. Only the set piece dropped off a boss.
Too bad the markets are already being flooded by Chinese goldfarmers who are hyperinflating.
I really wonder why Blizzard doesn't do anything about botting...
They banned thousands of users today!
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Are you guys having any luck finding legendaries?
I've had 3 drop, plus a Wizard set piece. I had a low-level barbarian 2 hander, that I sold, Skywarden, that I used on the wizard a while, then sold, and Nailbiter, that sold for a decent amount. The stats on the set piece were terrible, so I sold that for 1.9M, then bought the weapon my Wizard is still using.
Drop rates are intentionally low, and Blizzard admitted they screwed up on Legendaries and are fixing their stats soon. Only the set piece dropped off a boss.
Too bad the markets are already being flooded by Chinese goldfarmers who are hyperinflating.
I really wonder why Blizzard doesn't do anything about botting...
They banned thousands of users today!
Yup, the banhammer is out. With the release of the RMAH, they want to try to get this somewhat under control. Unfortuantely, much of the damage may have already been done, judging by the amount of product already flooding the regular AH, be it legitimate or, more likely, ill-gotten gains (intentional reference). Another factor in the amount of product is that each AH is region-wide, rather than smaller servers as found in WoW. More people selling in the same space. Otherwise, that lucky-drop set piece might have really set me up for a pay day, instead of listing it on something like the 20th page and the lowest price.
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Has anyone checked the prices yet? I'm curious.
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Has anyone checked the prices yet? I'm curious.
I went and looked for S&G. Prices on the item market are ludicrous, in the range of $1 to 100k gold ratios. I shit you not, there are items up in the $200 buyout range.. However, the commodities and forex markets (make no mistake, USD<>D3G is a forex market, just a very non-traditional one; I don't think Credit Suisse is going to start buying Diablo Gold) aren't currently open. When the forex hits, I expect initial exchange rates to settle in the $1<>1-10M gold range. No way are people going to buy 100k gold for $1. I've been wrong before, though.
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I'm curious as to what games have the most developed economies. TF2 has an extremely active economy (all the more remarkable because it trades almost exclusively in items with only cosmetic in-game effects) with stable exchange rates to real-world currency.
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I'm curious as to what games have the most developed economies. TF2 has an extremely active economy (all the more remarkable because it trades almost exclusively in items with only cosmetic in-game effects) with stable exchange rates to real-world currency.
I think a challenge is that you can't see the sale prices of items... no searching completed listings... so its very difficult to know the true value of something. Sure, you can see a bunchof things listed @ 200 real world dollars, but those are just retarded.
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Has anyone checked the prices yet? I'm curious.
I went and looked for S&G. Prices on the item market are ludicrous, in the range of $1 to 100k gold ratios. I shit you not, there are items up in the $200 buyout range.. However, the commodities and forex markets (make no mistake, USD<>D3G is a forex market, just a very non-traditional one; I don't think Credit Suisse is going to start buying Diablo Gold) aren't currently open. When the forex hits, I expect initial exchange rates to settle in the $1<>1-10M gold range. No way are people going to buy 100k gold for $1. I've been wrong before, though.
Within the public chat which you go to automatically after logging in (booooh!!!) there are a lot of advertisements for 1M gold for +/- $12 (last time I checked). So this means about $1 for 100k.
While I don't care whether this is high or low I still wonder what kinds of people actually use these services and spend actual money for so much gold or an item that may give them 1 extra stat point over their current choice.
I've used d2jsp for Diablo II and I liked that system. D2jsp gold was actually worth something and if you had a lucky find, you could rack up some Forum Gold to spend on whatever you needed. It also served very specialistic audiences, I've sold many a low level dueling shield there with 4s and @res.
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Has anyone checked the prices yet? I'm curious.
I went and looked for S&G. Prices on the item market are ludicrous, in the range of $1 to 100k gold ratios. I shit you not, there are items up in the $200 buyout range.. However, the commodities and forex markets (make no mistake, USD<>D3G is a forex market, just a very non-traditional one; I don't think Credit Suisse is going to start buying Diablo Gold) aren't currently open. When the forex hits, I expect initial exchange rates to settle in the $1<>1-10M gold range. No way are people going to buy 100k gold for $1. I've been wrong before, though.
Within the public chat which you go to automatically after logging in (booooh!!!) there are a lot of advertisements for 1M gold for +/- $12 (last time I checked). So this means about $1 for 100k.
Sure, but that's buying gold on a black market, which is of necessity going to be more expensive. As well as more risky.
While I don't care whether this is high or low I still wonder what kinds of people actually use these services and spend actual money for so much gold or an item that may give them 1 extra stat point over their current choice.
I'm not certain who would buy from a black market farming service, though obviously people do, or said black market would cease existing. But I can understand people purchasing better equipment; they're hoping for a return on their investment, or they want to get into the high-level game a bit faster. I wouldn't personally purchase using actual cash, but I'd purchase using gold because, hey, what else are you going to do with the gold? And when the forex opens, I'll happily sell gold (legally) if it seems worth it.
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I'm curious as to what games have the most developed economies. TF2 has an extremely active economy (all the more remarkable because it trades almost exclusively in items with only cosmetic in-game effects) with stable exchange rates to real-world currency.
I think a challenge is that you can't see the sale prices of items... no searching completed listings... so its very difficult to know the true value of something. Sure, you can see a bunchof things listed @ 200 real world dollars, but those are just retarded.
One of the challenges to this line of thinking is that the D3 RMAH is (one of) the first attempt(s) at legitimizing a market that allows purchase of non-cosmetic in-game items for real-world currency, in a game that is not patently "pay to win" (which opens another discussion, entirely). I'm sure that all games with player-driven economies settle into stability eventually, and D3 is still too young, with the opportunity to capitalize (both in the gold AH and the cash RMAH) on people that "must have everything NOW!", be it to fuel their forum gloating, or whatever their reasons might be.
As far as stabile non-currency markets go, look no further than WoW. Granted, it's been around for 8 years, now, so it's had the time to develop, but the prices for nearly everything are well-established on each server, with many independent websites dedicated to working the virtual economy, plus the Undermine Journal, which gathers historical data for items from every server to provide a searchable database on the price of... everything! Talk about robust.
D3 will settle in, some day, and what has an outrageous price today will eventually become reasonable. I could be wrong, but I can't see the RMAH being all that profitable once this initial fervor to "win" (first!, NOW!) dies down.
Within the public chat which you go to automatically after logging in (booooh!!!)
With yesterday's patch, you're no longer auto-joined to General chat.
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OK, perhaps I spoke too soon (caution, lesen Deutsch):
http://www.ebay.de/itm/251081594866?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_560wt_1396
Yes, folks, that is a 1250 DPS 1-hand sword with great stats... and it sold for over 700 Euro, or about US$1100.
You have to have some serious surplus cash to do that.
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Dude, TF2 hats (purely cosmetic, no in-game effect) fetch up to $2200 USD. Though I think that most people trading at the level are interested in flipping it for profit.
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Has anyone checked the prices yet? I'm curious.
I went and looked for S&G. Prices on the item market are ludicrous, in the range of $1 to 100k gold ratios. I shit you not, there are items up in the $200 buyout range.. However, the commodities and forex markets (make no mistake, USD<>D3G is a forex market, just a very non-traditional one; I don't think Credit Suisse is going to start buying Diablo Gold) aren't currently open. When the forex hits, I expect initial exchange rates to settle in the $1<>1-10M gold range. No way are people going to buy 100k gold for $1. I've been wrong before, though.
Within the public chat which you go to automatically after logging in (booooh!!!) there are a lot of advertisements for 1M gold for +/- $12 (last time I checked). So this means about $1 for 100k.
Sure, but that's buying gold on a black market, which is of necessity going to be more expensive. As well as more risky.
While I don't care whether this is high or low I still wonder what kinds of people actually use these services and spend actual money for so much gold or an item that may give them 1 extra stat point over their current choice.
I'm not certain who would buy from a black market farming service, though obviously people do, or said black market would cease existing. But I can understand people purchasing better equipment; they're hoping for a return on their investment, or they want to get into the high-level game a bit faster. I wouldn't personally purchase using actual cash, but I'd purchase using gold because, hey, what else are you going to do with the gold? And when the forex opens, I'll happily sell gold (legally) if it seems worth it.
Such interesting topics, here...
I'm sure we agree that the people hacking accounts for profit need shut down, but botting was brought up before, and we know that, at some point, buying gold for cash will be available. I may be dumb (or old), but I take pride in earning what I have, so I'm not one for botting. But what does it hurt, if what's being done is automating the collection of gold while you're not available to play and do it yourself? Each person is in their own game world, with personal loot, so a bot killing mobs for gold isn't depriving someone else of the same gold. Would I buy 10M gold for $1? Man, would that be tempting. Far more than I could farm in a night's work. Is there a difference in buying it for $1 and letting a robot gather it, instead?
And when that option becomes available, what does that do to the market? Will items that are listed for 20M gold now start getting listed for 200M? 2B? It'll be interesting to watch.
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No doubt we will see (hyper)inflation along with the bursting of the initial bubbles.
An insane DPS sword may sell for $700 today, but it will be $400 next week.
The best of the best item (perf stats all around) will be the only one retaining its value or having it increased while a lot of close seconds will likely appear that drop down quickly.
The problem is that the items are generated on such a huge scale as well as the Gold.
Rembrant paintings are partly expensive because there are so few. If Rembrandt had painted thousands of paintings nearly identical to each other, they wouldn't be worth that much. Why do you think IKEA is so cheap? :)
So we get inflation not only on the Gold part, but also on the items part.
If you have 1M now you can buy 1 or 2 rare items.
You could buy the same items but also 50 similar ones for 100M in a couple of weeks.
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I think their policy of taking $1 off the top of any auction sales really makes it unattractive to sell anything but godly items. Basically, they take 15% of "commodity" sales, gold, gems, crafting supplies etc., and they take $1 off any items. The breakeven there is somewhere in the $7 range.... which is a price that is way too high for something that isn't a permanent item.
I could see myself being willing to drop $0.25 - $2 on a minor upgrade, but there's just no reason for a seller to be willing to list something at those prices.
I don't understand it.
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I think their policy of taking $1 off the top of any auction sales really makes it unattractive to sell anything but godly items. Basically, they take 15% of "commodity" sales, gold, gems, crafting supplies etc., and they take $1 off any items. The breakeven there is somewhere in the $7 range.... which is a price that is way too high for something that isn't a permanent item.
I could see myself being willing to drop $0.25 - $2 on a minor upgrade, but there's just no reason for a seller to be willing to list something at those prices.
I don't understand it.
Tbh my plan is honestly to dump any inferno item I don't want on the auction house for 2$
Unless its super godly in which case I will charge more
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Tbh my plan is honestly to dump any inferno item I don't want on the auction house for 2$
Unless its super godly in which case I will charge more
So - here's my problem with that. In that scenario, 50% of the proceeds are going to Blizzard, even if you don't plan to take the $ out, and eventually want to use it to buy a big bad weapon, you're going to have to sell 2x as much.
If we assume a linear relationship between gold and $, then you're much better off selling it on the gold AH (15% commission), and then selling the gold for $$ (15% commission). Yeah, you're getting double dipped, but you're still coming out ahead.
I don't understand why Blizz wouldn't just make it 15% across the board to minimize this goofiness.
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I don't understand why they had to put in the 15% commission in the first place.
If they needed a good goldsink, they should've designed the game better.
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I don't understand why they had to put in the 15% commission in the first place.
If they needed a good goldsink, they should've designed the game better.
Gold is money!
The transaction cost (i assume) is to prevent people from overloading the AH with minor buys and sells. For example - lets say you think the value of a Perfect Square Ruby is 40K (about what its going for on the AH). Every time you saw one pop up @ 38k, you could sneak in, buy it, and relist @ 40. With the 15% transaction fee, you cant do it profitabily unless you sneak it for < 34K.
Incidentally, the prices on the gem auction house are now nearly in line with what it costs to craft.
Lets say that Flawless Squares are worth $1000.
To Make a PSquare, its $3000 + $30K in vendor costs + 3 Tomes of secrets, which last time I checked were worth 300 bucks or so... the total cost to you is ~$34K. 15% to the auction house == 39.1K, which is just around where the price is hovering for most of the gems.
You can make a slight profit, but not an outragous one... and for all that button pressing, you could be out slaying demons instead.
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I have Diablo 3 and it sure is a lot nice when compared to the other games I have been playing recently.
Well there might be some bias to it because of a number of friends who are in the same game as well but I really think that it is enjoyable, for me at least.