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Title: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on March 30, 2022, 02:54:53 am

M138: Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia


This will be a an open Mafia Game for 12 players based on the Donner Party Set Up.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Donner_Party
 
You will find all the given game information in the following post, as well as in the above link.

MOD: Swowl


Sign Up List:
1. faust
2. MiX
3. mathdude
4. EFHW
5. WestCoastDidds
6. UncleEurope (Eddie)
7. Joth
8. gkrieg
9. Jack Rudd
10. Joseph2302
11. Shraeye
12. Jimmmmmm

Tags:

Game Tracker:


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information (including QT opening and closing times) is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 36 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between an exile being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the exiled player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may NOT vote: no exile.
5. Exiles occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, an exile cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, the player with the most votes will be exiled. In case of a tie, the first player to reach the tied vote count will be exiled.

The Rest:
1. Bold, Brown text are reserved for the MODs. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last 48 hours.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: Swowl on March 30, 2022, 02:55:00 am
Donner Party Mafia is an Open Setup that features a unique Cannibal mechanic that temporarily hides the role and alignment of a nightkilled player.

Setup
2 Cannibal Mafia Goons
1 Cannibal Serial Killer
1 Cannibal Vigilante
1 Gunsmith (Dietician)
1 Roleblocker
6 Townies

Mechanics
Daystart
Mafia have daytalk
The Serial Killer has 1-shot NK immunity and a 1-shot roleblocker immunity
Dietician is a flavour cop that produces results of Cannibal/Not Cannibal
The town cannot no-eliminate.

When a Cannibal night-kills someone, they take the body and put it in their larder, resulting in no role/alignment reveal to the town for that kill. The Cannibal who performed the kill learns the role/alignment reveal via their result PM.

If a Cannibal night-kills another Cannibal, they take all of the bodies their target had, learning all the role/alignment information their target knew. This will include their target's night-kill target from that same night, if applicable.

If more than one Cannibal night-kills the same target, they will all learn the target's role/alignment information. They will not learn that their target was killed multiple times.

If two Cannibals night-kill eachother, and are not in turn night-killed by yet another Cannibal, their role/alignment information, and that of all the bodies they possessed, is revealed to the town.

The Cannibal mechanic has no effect on eliminations. The role/alignment of the eliminated is always revealed to the town. If a Cannibal is eliminated, the role/alignment information of all their bodies is also revealed.

Role PM's

Cannibal Mafia Goon
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Cannibal Mafia Goon, along with your partner, [Player Name].

Abilities:
Factional communication: At any time in the game, you may talk with your partner here [QuickTopic link].

Cannibal nightkill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional nightkill. You will receive back either a PM indicating that the target did not die, or a PM containing their role/alignment information, and if they were a Cannibal, the role/alignment of all bodies they possessed when they were killed.
The role/alignment of your night-kill targets is not shared with the town

Win condition:
You win when all other killers are dead and you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Cannibal Serial Killer
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Cannibal Serial Killer.
Abilities:

Cannibal nightkill: Each night phase, you may perform your nightkill. You will receive back either a PM indicating that the target did not die, or a PM containing their role/alignment information, and if they were a Cannibal, the role/alignment of all bodies they possessed when they were killed.
The role/alignment of your night-kill targets is not shared with the town

One-shot Night-kill Immunity: The first night you are targeted for a night-kill (even if you're targeted more than once), you will not die. You are not notified that this has occurred.

One-shot Roleblocker Immunity: The first night you are targeted by the Roleblocker, the roleblock on you will fail. You are not notified that this has occurred.
Win condition:

You win when you are the last player alive or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Cannibal Vigilante
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Cannibal Vigilante.

Abilities:
Cannibal nightkill: Each night phase, you may perform your nightkill. You will receive back either a PM indicating that the target did not die, or a PM containing their role/alignment information, and if they were a Cannibal, the role/alignment of all bodies they possessed when they were killed.
The role/alignment of your night-kill targets is not shared with the town

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Town Dietician
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Dietician.

Abilities:
Each night phase, you may investigate one player by PM'ing the mod. You will receive results in the form of Cannibal, Not Cannibal or No Result.
Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Town Roleblocker
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Roleblocker.
Abilities:

Each night you may choose to roleblock a player, which will prevent them from using an action. The only exception to this is if you target the Serial Killer - they will bypass your block the first time this happens.
Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Vanilla Townie.

Abilities:
Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.
Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated and there is at least one town-aligned player alive.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: iguanaiguana on March 30, 2022, 03:49:51 pm
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: MiX on March 30, 2022, 04:13:27 pm
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: J Reggie on March 30, 2022, 10:42:52 pm
I gave you the mod robe on discord, so feel free to start adding channels.

Also, the rules post says there is no plurality exile, but the setup post says town cannot no-exile, which seem to be in conflict.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: mathdude on March 30, 2022, 11:38:07 pm
I hope to f/ind enough time to play this round.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: EFHW on March 31, 2022, 03:02:03 pm
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: Swowl on March 31, 2022, 03:38:11 pm
I gave you the mod robe on discord, so feel free to start adding channels.

Also, the rules post says there is no plurality exile, but the setup post says town cannot no-exile, which seem to be in conflict.

I shall wear the robe with pride!
I have fixed the plurality exile, thanks for that catch. It is updated, and it reads...
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, the player with the most votes will be exiled. In case of a tie, the first player to reach the tied vote count will be exiled.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 01, 2022, 10:33:38 pm
Its a very nice robe, indeed.

/in because I appreciate you, Swowl!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: gkrieg13 on April 05, 2022, 07:18:33 pm
I'm going on vacation for a couple weeks, but will join this when I get back.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: mathdude on April 09, 2022, 08:27:54 am
*yawn*
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: Swowl on April 09, 2022, 08:31:48 pm
right!?
c'mon all! lets get this going!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: Uncleeurope on April 10, 2022, 01:18:49 pm
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2022, 09:52:14 am
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2022, 09:52:50 am
I gave you the mod robe on discord, so feel free to start adding channels.

Also, the rules post says there is no plurality exile, but the setup post says town cannot no-exile, which seem to be in conflict.

I shall wear the robe with pride!
I have fixed the plurality exile, thanks for that catch. It is updated, and it reads...
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, the player with the most votes will be exiled. In case of a tie, the first player to reach the tied vote count will be exiled.

What if no one votes at all?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: Swowl on April 11, 2022, 08:09:03 pm
I gave you the mod robe on discord, so feel free to start adding channels.

Also, the rules post says there is no plurality exile, but the setup post says town cannot no-exile, which seem to be in conflict.

I shall wear the robe with pride!
I have fixed the plurality exile, thanks for that catch. It is updated, and it reads...
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, the player with the most votes will be exiled. In case of a tie, the first player to reach the tied vote count will be exiled.

What if no one votes at all?

Fun question.
In this instance, a player will be chosen at random to be exiled.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 12, 2022, 05:51:35 pm
/in

Eddie! I was just thinking about you the other day. I hope that youíre doing well.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Only 5 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on April 19, 2022, 08:46:46 am
Big lull happening!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Only 5 Spots Left!
Post by: gkrieg13 on April 19, 2022, 03:17:22 pm
\in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Only 5 Spots Left!
Post by: Jack Rudd on April 19, 2022, 04:01:03 pm
Well, why not. Let's try to sharpen up my skills.

/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Joseph2302 on April 24, 2022, 03:13:48 pm
I would like to /in
I'm VLA next weekend though, so if that's an issue, then let someone else take my spot
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: jotheonah on April 28, 2022, 11:47:06 am
I think we just need one more?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: mathdude on April 28, 2022, 08:32:48 pm
I think we just need one more?

Then I guess it's time to
/confirm
Seeing how it's been 4 weeks since we started this process.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on April 29, 2022, 01:50:17 am
confirm list probably a good idea.
Still need 2 more.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 29, 2022, 11:19:07 am
confirm list probably a good idea.
Still need 2 more.

Ask the guys in your codenames game.  Between Eevee, Scola, and Jimmmm maybe there will be takers??
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: scolapasta on April 29, 2022, 02:04:44 pm
confirm list probably a good idea.
Still need 2 more.

Ask the guys in your codenames game.  Between Eevee, Scola, and Jimmmm maybe there will be takers??

I just posted this in the codenames thread:

I just don't have the time right now. And we saw how much people weren't happy with my limited availability last game. I expect to being able to opt in on games again, sometime in July.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: MiX on May 10, 2022, 07:34:14 am
Bump!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: iguanaiguana on May 12, 2022, 11:57:17 am
Is this whole grand experiment finally over?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on May 12, 2022, 10:47:02 pm
I hope not!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: J Reggie on May 13, 2022, 10:52:21 am
I mean, smaller setups are also a thing if the community really is shrinking.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Joseph2302 on May 13, 2022, 04:29:19 pm
Well there hasn't been anyone sign up in last 2 weeks, which is a shame. Must be this crazy thing called real life that people do
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on May 14, 2022, 02:38:10 pm
I think our perfect win in the last game - me, Swowl and gkrieg - might have demoralized some people  :P
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on May 14, 2022, 11:50:54 pm
hold on... galz are you effing kidding me. wtf get in here!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2022, 09:22:05 pm
Itís very sad
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on May 17, 2022, 12:52:06 am
well I can throw plates at galz until he caves lol

But we still would need one more.

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on May 20, 2022, 12:49:47 pm
Maybe we should do a Zoom mafia party.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: jotheonah on June 01, 2022, 07:36:48 am
well I can throw plates at galz until he caves lol

But we still would need one more.

I guess I can throw plates at Glooble. Between your plates and my plates, we might just make it. Then we can go to IKEA together and buy some new plates.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on June 09, 2022, 08:04:49 am
Maybe we should do a Zoom mafia party.

Iím away on a study abroad trip until the second week of July. But I can help organize something afterwards!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on June 09, 2022, 08:06:18 am
Barcelona last week, Florence this week, Budapest, Vienna, and the western coast of France coming up. Iím so freaking happy to be traveling again!!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on June 09, 2022, 11:49:31 am
Barcelona last week, Florence this week, Budapest, Vienna, and the western coast of France coming up. Iím so freaking happy to be traveling again!!

That's exciting! My younger child is leaving for a month in Germany on Saturday.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on June 10, 2022, 01:16:00 pm
Barcelona last week, Florence this week, Budapest, Vienna, and the western coast of France coming up. Iím so freaking happy to be traveling again!!

That's exciting! My younger child is leaving for a month in Germany on Saturday.

That is fantastic! Where will they be??
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: jotheonah on June 10, 2022, 02:07:39 pm
 I'll be in Italy the last week of June. But not Florence -- the Amalfi Coast for work and then Venice for fun.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on June 10, 2022, 02:13:26 pm
Barcelona last week, Florence this week, Budapest, Vienna, and the western coast of France coming up. Iím so freaking happy to be traveling again!!

That's exciting! My younger child is leaving for a month in Germany on Saturday.

That is fantastic! Where will they be??

They are going to Munich, for an intensive language program. My father is from Germany, and languages are kind of the family thing to do.

I'll be in Italy the last week of June. But not Florence -- the Amalfi Coast for work and then Venice for fun.

I'm reading a mystery series by Donna Leon that is set in Venice. They're pretty good. I usually like to read books set in places I am visiting, so you might like it. Apparently Venice/Italy is a complex place politically!

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: shraeye on June 20, 2022, 11:50:25 pm
Hey team, I'll join
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on June 21, 2022, 02:07:47 am
yayyyy
well we should do a re bump but that leaves us at 1 more needed.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: faust on June 21, 2022, 03:01:10 am
Well I could join but only if the game starts after July 2.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on June 21, 2022, 10:55:08 pm
Hey team, I'll join

Hi Shraeye! How are Raerae and the kids?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Jimmmmm on June 22, 2022, 01:20:55 am
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: shraeye on June 22, 2022, 11:25:12 am
Hey team, I'll join

Hi Shraeye! How are Raerae and the kids?
We're all managing, pandemic teaching was getting the better of me but I'm recenetered and back at it. The kids keep finding new ways to make us grow older every day, which swing between hilarious and annoying. 

I'm currently coming off of a covid spell that I and our youngest  had, the other two have escaped luckily.  Once this is kicked and everyone can get back to daycare things will be much smoother.

How're you? How's everyone? What have I missed? (Sorry for intermittent hiatuses)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: jotheonah on June 23, 2022, 01:53:54 pm
/in

that's... a hammer?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: gkrieg13 on June 23, 2022, 04:56:57 pm
I will have limited availability

Attending a conference, defending my dissertation, moving cross country.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on June 24, 2022, 01:07:51 am
I will have limited availability
  • June 25 - July 4
  • July 10-15
  • July 25-31

Attending a conference, defending my dissertation, moving cross country.

Congratulations!!!! 

Where are you moving?  Is it for a job? How exciting!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on June 24, 2022, 01:11:11 am
Hey team, I'll join

Hi Shraeye! How are Raerae and the kids?
We're all managing, pandemic teaching was getting the better of me but I'm recenetered and back at it. The kids keep finding new ways to make us grow older every day, which swing between hilarious and annoying. 

I'm currently coming off of a covid spell that I and our youngest  had, the other two have escaped luckily.  Once this is kicked and everyone can get back to daycare things will be much smoother.

How're you? How's everyone? What have I missed? (Sorry for intermittent hiatuses)

Hi hi hi hi hi!  Its so good to see you!  I have been wondering if the last few semesters had steamrolled you.  I am completely flattened, but things seems to be getting back to some sort of a rhythm even if the students are by and large struggling with basic life way more than ever before.  Tell Rae I bought her recommended rum for the Shaker and Spoon cocktail box on rum month, and we are sold on her expertise. xoxo
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: gkrieg13 on June 24, 2022, 01:37:45 am
I will have limited availability
  • June 25 - July 4
  • July 10-15
  • July 25-31

Attending a conference, defending my dissertation, moving cross country.

Congratulations!!!! 

Where are you moving?  Is it for a job? How exciting!

Thanks! Moving to Pittsburgh for a postdoc at Carnegie Mellon.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on June 24, 2022, 11:11:14 am
I will have limited availability
  • June 25 - July 4
  • July 10-15
  • July 25-31

Attending a conference, defending my dissertation, moving cross country.

Congratulations!!!! 

Where are you moving?  Is it for a job? How exciting!

Thanks! Moving to Pittsburgh for a postdoc at Carnegie Mellon.
In computer science?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: gkrieg13 on June 24, 2022, 12:34:59 pm
I will have limited availability
  • June 25 - July 4
  • July 10-15
  • July 25-31

Attending a conference, defending my dissertation, moving cross country.

Congratulations!!!! 

Where are you moving?  Is it for a job? How exciting!

Thanks! Moving to Pittsburgh for a postdoc at Carnegie Mellon.
In computer science?

Yup! Computational Biology.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on June 28, 2022, 01:29:59 am
Holy crap did it really happen?

Can everyone sound off please.
I will get things rolling. I am in Canada so lets say like... a few days if everyone is still here.
yayyyy
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Jimmmmm on June 28, 2022, 02:36:25 am
Still /in.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on June 28, 2022, 03:22:56 am
I will have limited availability
  • June 25 - July 4
  • July 10-15
  • July 25-31

Attending a conference, defending my dissertation, moving cross country.

Congratulations!!!! 

Where are you moving?  Is it for a job? How exciting!

Thanks! Moving to Pittsburgh for a postdoc at Carnegie Mellon.
In computer science?

Yup! Computational Biology.

Congratulations!!! Iím so excited for you!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on June 29, 2022, 07:25:07 am
Still /in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: gkrieg13 on June 29, 2022, 12:30:44 pm
I will have limited availability
  • June 25 - July 4
  • July 10-15
  • July 25-31

Attending a conference, defending my dissertation, moving cross country.

Congratulations!!!! 

Where are you moving?  Is it for a job? How exciting!

Thanks! Moving to Pittsburgh for a postdoc at Carnegie Mellon.
In computer science?

Yup! Computational Biology.

Congratulations!!! Iím so excited for you!

Thanks! Iím very excited.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: gkrieg13 on June 29, 2022, 12:31:00 pm
Still /in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: shraeye on June 29, 2022, 02:41:27 pm
I'm still in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on June 30, 2022, 02:02:22 am
k thats 5. gonne give it another day then pm ppl to check
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: iguanaiguana on June 30, 2022, 02:20:24 am
Out, sorry
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: jotheonah on July 03, 2022, 09:40:04 am
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: MiX on July 03, 2022, 10:13:03 am
/in

Are we waiting for everyone to confirm?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: mathdude on July 03, 2022, 10:24:26 am
/confirm
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 03, 2022, 10:16:59 pm
/still in

A bit unreliable internet until 2 weeks from now, but it should probably be okay. Iíve played a game under these conditions before.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on July 04, 2022, 12:13:23 am
/in

Are we waiting for everyone to confirm?

Well we lost one but i can still make it work. So let me just on some homies and then we can start
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: faust on July 04, 2022, 02:07:20 am
/in

Are we waiting for everyone to confirm?

Well we lost one but i can still make it work. So let me just on some homies and then we can start
I can join now if you have a spot available.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 04, 2022, 10:59:41 am
Hooray! Hi faust!!

Iím around, Swowl. Iím in Bordeaux for a few days and they have a store called Snipes. Big City Snipes, boys!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 04, 2022, 01:11:02 pm
/in
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: jotheonah on July 05, 2022, 09:21:39 am
I've returned to America and am now just so very jetlagged. But at least I got to see Venice again before it sinks.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 05, 2022, 03:08:24 pm
Still /in.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on July 11, 2022, 05:43:26 pm
/in

Are we waiting for everyone to confirm?

Well we lost one but i can still make it work. So let me just on some homies and then we can start
I can join now if you have a spot available.

k faust your in.

I have returned from the 3 week trip to the great white north. I can rand this up in a day or two.
Gonna post the list of names I have just to be sure
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on July 11, 2022, 05:46:12 pm
1 Jimmm
2 Efoo
3 GK
4 Shraeye
5 Joth
6 MiX
7 Math
8 Eddie
9 faust
10 Joseph
11 Math
12 Jack
13???
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on July 11, 2022, 05:47:33 pm
wiat there is no 13th slot lol

THATS THE LIST YAYYY

I will roll it tonight after some work catch up and then get it out tomorrow for roles. Let's assume game starts Wednesday!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: MiX on July 11, 2022, 06:04:56 pm
Math is listed twice.

Out of the original list, iguana and Didds are missing. I guess we should wait for one of them?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on July 11, 2022, 07:07:51 pm
That hippo must be famished by now!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 11, 2022, 07:13:09 pm
I guess we're the balls?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: EFHW on July 11, 2022, 07:38:41 pm
Math is listed twice.

Out of the original list, iguana and Didds are missing. I guess we should wait for one of them?

Iguana is /out but Didds confirmed.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on July 11, 2022, 11:09:07 pm
Corrected list.

1 Jimmm
2 Efoo
3 GK
4 Shraeye
5 Joth
6 MiX
7 Diddsicle
8 Eddie
9 faust
10 Joseph
11 Math
12 Jack
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on July 11, 2022, 11:09:46 pm
I also just remember I have to do this shit on DC now... so... yeah. I'm getting on it now, but May be like end of day tomorrow for the rand.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: scolapasta on July 12, 2022, 12:27:55 am
Do you need anyone else?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: Swowl on July 12, 2022, 02:03:34 am
not saying no to a helping hand if you want to help out :)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Swowl on July 12, 2022, 02:27:05 am
I think I may need access to the discord that I do not currently have?
Does anyone know who to contact about that?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: J Reggie on July 12, 2022, 08:09:40 am
I think I may need access to the discord that I do not currently have?
Does anyone know who to contact about that?

You should have all the access you need to create channels. If you need help, I'd be happy to assist.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - 3 Spots Left!
Post by: scolapasta on July 12, 2022, 11:19:58 am
not saying no to a helping hand if you want to help out :)

Sure, I can help mod if you want the help, or play if you need the extra player.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Swowl on July 14, 2022, 01:25:20 am
cool pasta I am adding you as mod.
I am doing the roles now.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Swowl on July 14, 2022, 01:43:42 am
I am missing some Discord names for people.
Please post your discord names here :)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: faust on July 14, 2022, 01:54:05 am
I'm faust, same as here  :)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Swowl on July 14, 2022, 02:09:03 am
Okie. Game has been randed.
Please confirm your role in discord asap.
If you do not see it, then I do not have your discord name, so please just post it here :)

If everyone is on point we will start this in 3pm FT on Friday.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 14, 2022, 02:15:49 am
What is this discord?

(I know what discord is I just don't really use it and haven't used it for Mafia. Was expecting a PM.)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: J Reggie on July 14, 2022, 08:19:54 am
It's in my signature.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: shraeye on July 14, 2022, 12:57:58 pm
I'm shraeye, just got signed up (I think)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 14, 2022, 01:55:46 pm
I'm Joseph2302, just joined that group on Discord
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Swowl on July 14, 2022, 02:26:49 pm
cool. Everyone should have them.
Please confirm in discord.

PM me if you have issues with discord. Everything else runs there.

Game will start tomorrow at 3pm FT.


Thread locked except for tags.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: Swowl on July 15, 2022, 03:02:26 pm
Vote Count 1.1
Imagine, if you would, a utopia of sorts. No utopia we will ever see though. This place is far away in the galaxy of MiltonBradlia.

For Millenia, it was a land of happiness and joy. Home to Hippopotamuses of all sizes, shapes and colors. Green Hippos, Red Hippos, Yellow, Purple... Every color you could imagine.
The Hippos spent their days wiggling their creepy ears, playing in the water... and feasting on delicious eggs!

But the Hippos feasted too much! Instead of wiggling their dumb ears and swimming all day these lazy SOBs should of been focusing on cultivating more eggs, as it was there only source of food!

What was once a beautiful and safe utopia has now turned into a desolate wasteland. When the supply of eggs ran out the Hippos split into 2 schools of belief.
One school focuses on trying to find ways to grow more eggs and protect them from the other Hippos. They hold themselves up in their village, working diligently in attempts to rebuild their utopia.
The other Hippos though... they did not want to waste time working and growing new eggs to eat. So they turned to their only other food source available to them - HIPPOS!

Will the good Hippos prevail, returning MiltonBradlia to its future state of utopia? Or will the cannibalistic Hippos rid the land of the last of the Good Hippos?

Who knows! Let's find out!

   

Not voting (12) : eddie, EFHW, faust, gkrieg, jackrudd, Jimmm, Joseph, joth, mathdude, MiX, Shraeye, WCD
 
Currently, no one is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends Friday, July 22nd at 3:03pm Forum Time.
 
THREAD UNLOCKED!

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Holy #$%*Ing Shit we got a game!!!!!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 15, 2022, 03:05:15 pm
Hi hi hi hi hi hi!

My ears are neither creepy nor dumb!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 15, 2022, 03:41:57 pm
The gritty Hungry Hungry Hippos reboot nobody asked for.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 15, 2022, 03:52:28 pm
Hi.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 15, 2022, 03:58:40 pm
Hello everyone! Finally, another mafia game.

Vote: math
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 15, 2022, 04:16:21 pm
Greetings!

Vote: Faust
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 15, 2022, 04:18:11 pm
Vote: gkrieg
For real life mafia 1
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 15, 2022, 04:18:33 pm
And like usual, I'm the SK
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 15, 2022, 04:24:13 pm
Hello everyone! Finally, another mafia game.

Vote: math
Vote: physics
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 15, 2022, 05:01:22 pm
And like usual, I'm the SK

I trust you. Which is to say, I don't think you're the SK. Hmm. Yeah!

So if you are, good job.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 15, 2022, 08:07:23 pm
Hi team! I can definitively say I am in Idaho. Which is not my normal state. So, perhaps less posting than normal.  But also...I've recorded maybe 10 forum posts in the last 2 years...so I suppose it'll still be more than "normal".

Vote: Jimmmmm
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 15, 2022, 09:12:55 pm
OMGUS Vote: shraeye
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 15, 2022, 09:38:56 pm
Eddie!! How you been? Itís been a minute
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 15, 2022, 10:31:08 pm
Hello everyone! Finally, another mafia game.

Vote: math

OMGUS
No, I think we should instead Vote: MiX

Hello everyone! Finally, another mafia game.

Vote: math
Vote: physics

Physics?  I mean, it's a fantastic subject, but what does it have to do with this game?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 15, 2022, 10:49:56 pm
Hello everyone! Finally, another mafia game.

Vote: math
Vote: physics

Vote: science
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 16, 2022, 12:52:08 am
Eddie!! How you been? Itís been a minute

Pretty busy, just got back from a vacation so I am notably exhausted. Which maybe isnít the way it should be. But itís the way it is.

I think itís been a bit over a year since my last game? I canít remember.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 16, 2022, 02:19:02 am
Vote Count 1.2
mathdude (1) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
faust (1) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
gkrieg (1) : Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Jimmm (1) : Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Shraeye (1) : Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
MiX (1) : mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
 
Not voting (6) : eddie, EFHW, faust, gkrieg, joth, WCD
 
Currently, mathdude is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends July 22, 2022, 03:03:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 16, 2022, 03:07:04 am
And like usual, I'm the SK

I trust you. Which is to say, I don't think you're the SK. Hmm. Yeah!

So if you are, good job.
I had to spent a moment to check, but there actually is a Serial Killer in the game. Yikes.

Also, hi!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 16, 2022, 03:10:06 am
Vote: Joseph
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 16, 2022, 03:35:44 am
Vote: faust

Obvious SK-tell.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 16, 2022, 04:33:44 am
Would ya look at that, our first evil bucket.

At least 1 of Jimmmmm/Faust is a baddie.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 16, 2022, 04:42:54 am
Explain.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 16, 2022, 05:01:08 am
Would ya look at that, our first evil bucket.

At least 1 of Jimmmmm/Faust is a baddie.
Oh. Well it's not me, so

Vote: Jimmmmm
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 16, 2022, 09:23:05 am
These cannibal hippos need to think more long-term!

vote: gkrieg for congratulations and to keep the one person vote pattern going.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 16, 2022, 09:45:32 am
vote: EFHW for thank you!

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 16, 2022, 10:22:56 am
Vote: Jimmmmm
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 16, 2022, 12:02:02 pm
Explain
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 16, 2022, 12:08:30 pm
Explain

Well first there was this:

Vote: faust

Obvious SK-tell.

Then there was this:

Explain.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 16, 2022, 12:44:45 pm
Explain

Well first there was this:

Vote: faust

Obvious SK-tell.

Then there was this:

Explain.
Under this logic, maybe we should vote for shraeye, for saying "explain" too ;)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 16, 2022, 12:46:23 pm
Shraeye only did the second thing, not the first thing.

But believe me, I am keeping an eye on Shraeye.

Pffft, imagine explaining things in this game?

The nerve.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 16, 2022, 01:08:20 pm

I am sitting in the other room while debatepro attempts refrigerator home repair to get the water dispenser working again. He has now left for what is sure to be multiple trips to the hardware store.

So, howís your weekend going?

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 16, 2022, 03:21:48 pm
I've been celebrating my nephew's birthday. There was pizza and ice-cream.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 16, 2022, 03:25:00 pm
Pffft, imagine explaining things in this game?

The nerve.
Explaining things is a scum-move, generally. But I'll give you a pass this time, because you backed me up with your vote. Thanks new best friend.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 16, 2022, 03:43:30 pm

I am sitting in the other room while debatepro attempts refrigerator home repair to get the water dispenser working again. He has now left for what is sure to be multiple trips to the hardware store.

So, howís your weekend going?

We just bought a new dishwasher and I have to organize the installation thereof so I get it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 16, 2022, 03:43:57 pm
Pffft, imagine explaining things in this game?

The nerve.
Explaining things is a scum-move, generally. But I'll give you a pass this time, because you backed me up with your vote. Thanks new best friend.

Explaining things is alignment-neutral, but requesting explanations? Very scummy.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 16, 2022, 04:23:17 pm
Judging requests? Also scummy.  But I'll give you a pass this time.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 16, 2022, 04:36:58 pm
Judging requests? Also scummy.  But I'll give you a pass this time.
Giving passes, huh? Very scummy.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 16, 2022, 05:18:29 pm
Judging requests? Also scummy.  But I'll give you a pass this time.
Giving passes, huh? Very scummy.

Shraeye is pass-happy!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 16, 2022, 05:43:05 pm
Judging requests? Also scummy.  But I'll give you a pass this time.
Giving passes, huh? Very scummy.

Saying things are very scummy, huh? Very towny.

Anyway, hmm. Can anyone read joth off these posts? I'm sure it's possible, I just can't do it personally.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 16, 2022, 06:53:22 pm
I havenít made very many posts. So you may have to just take my word that in towny.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 16, 2022, 06:53:38 pm
*that Iím towny
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 16, 2022, 07:08:19 pm
I havenít made very many posts. So you may have to just take my word that in towny.
In towny as in infriltrating the town like a scum/SK would?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 16, 2022, 07:15:31 pm
Judging requests? Also scummy.  But I'll give you a pass this time.
Giving passes, huh? Very scummy.

Saying things are very scummy, huh? Very towny.

Anyway, hmm. Can anyone read joth off these posts? I'm sure it's possible, I just can't do it personally.
I cannot
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 16, 2022, 07:50:26 pm

I am sitting in the other room while debatepro attempts refrigerator home repair to get the water dispenser working again. He has now left for what is sure to be multiple trips to the hardware store.

So, howís your weekend going?

I just packed up my house and sold or disassembled any horizontal surface basically. Truck comes Monday morning.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 16, 2022, 07:51:33 pm
Judging requests? Also scummy.  But I'll give you a pass this time.
Giving passes, huh? Very scummy.

Saying things are scummy and then not voting? Very scummy.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 16, 2022, 08:08:42 pm
Oh gosh, I'm at a restaurant and someone mentioned linguistics and I remembered gkrieg and computational linguistics and then it hit me - mafia! I will catch up tonight, I promise.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 16, 2022, 08:20:08 pm
Judging requests? Also scummy.  But I'll give you a pass this time.
Giving passes, huh? Very scummy.

Saying things are scummy and then not voting? Very scummy.

Voting is just about the scummiest thing you can do.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 16, 2022, 09:39:52 pm
I didn't miss a lot. And turns out it's only been 12 hours! I  don't see asking for explanations as svummy. What's rhe scum narrative? Or are we still in RCS (random conversation stage)?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 16, 2022, 09:48:04 pm
Vote Count 1.3
Corrected.
Jimmm (2) : Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628), faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
joth (2) : EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814), Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828)
EFHW (2) : gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)
faust (1) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
gkrieg (1) : Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
MiX (1) : mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
Joseph (1) : joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894771#msg894771)
mathdude (1) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894785#msg894785)
 
Not voting (1) : WCD
 
Currently, Jimmm is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends July 22, 2022, 03:03:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
faust→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894641#msg894641)
Jimmm→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
faust→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
EFHW→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
gkrieg→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
eddie→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
MiX→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894713#msg894713)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 16, 2022, 11:19:07 pm
I didn't miss a lot. And turns out it's only been 12 hours! I  don't see asking for explanations as svummy. What's rhe scum narrative? Or are we still in RCS (random conversation stage)?

Thatís my secret, Cap. Iím always in RCS.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 17, 2022, 01:13:50 am
I didn't miss a lot. And turns out it's only been 12 hours! I  don't see asking for explanations as svummy. What's rhe scum narrative? Or are we still in RCS (random conversation stage)?

Thatís my secret, Cap. Iím always in RCS.
Copying my moves? Scummy.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 17, 2022, 03:30:57 am
I'm busy most of today, will try and contribute more tomorrow (assuming anything much has happened by then)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 17, 2022, 05:40:17 am
I'm fine with my vote.

Is everyone else voting one of their scumreads? That'll probably get the game going.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 17, 2022, 09:08:28 am
I didn't miss a lot. And turns out it's only been 12 hours! I  don't see asking for explanations as svummy. What's rhe scum narrative? Or are we still in RCS (random conversation stage)?

Thatís my secret, Cap. Iím always in RCS.

Hey, me too!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 17, 2022, 09:10:17 am

Is everyone else voting one of their scumreads? That'll probably get the game going.

Is that even possible at this point? Reads based on hellos?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 17, 2022, 09:21:36 am

Is everyone else voting one of their scumreads? That'll probably get the game going.

Is that even possible at this point? Reads based on hellos?

You can relax the definition of scumread enough, yeah.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 17, 2022, 09:28:40 am
Iím always afraid of defaulting to people who are fun/funny are town, which bites me in the hinders more often than not since I think most everyone is fun/funny. :/
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 17, 2022, 10:11:52 am
Iím always afraid of defaulting to people who are fun/funny are town, which bites me in the hinders more often than not since I think most everyone is fun/funny. :/
Well, it leads to you thinking people who are not contributing much as more scummy, that's not the worst bias to have.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 17, 2022, 10:28:30 am
Vote: faust
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 17, 2022, 11:00:11 am
Vote: faust
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 17, 2022, 11:21:56 am
It does feel mandatory now, doesnít it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 17, 2022, 12:42:21 pm
Speaking of mandatory, vote: MiX
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 17, 2022, 03:48:03 pm
Iím always afraid of defaulting to people who are fun/funny are town, which bites me in the hinders more often than not since I think most everyone is fun/funny. :/
Well, it leads to you thinking people who are not contributing much as more scummy, that's not the worst bias to have.

I knew I liked you, faust!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 17, 2022, 08:58:14 pm
Explain

Well first there was this:

Vote: faust

Obvious SK-tell.

Then there was this:

Explain.

This an explanation does not make.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 17, 2022, 08:59:26 pm
Should that be "This does not an explanation make"?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 17, 2022, 09:02:50 pm
Is everyone else voting one of their scumreads?

How does one obtain such a thing at this point in the game?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 17, 2022, 09:06:52 pm
Is everyone else voting one of their scumreads?

How does one obtain such a thing at this point in the game?

You can relax the definition of scumread enough
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 17, 2022, 09:15:24 pm
Yeah I got to that post shortly after I posted.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 17, 2022, 11:36:11 pm
Explain

Well first there was this:

Vote: faust

Obvious SK-tell.

Then there was this:

Explain.

This an explanation does not make.

Bummer, and I was trying my best, too.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 17, 2022, 11:41:13 pm
You can always try again.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 17, 2022, 11:53:48 pm
Vote Count 1.3
Fun Fact - A Hippos jaws are capable of opening up to 150 degrees.
 
Jimmm (3) : Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628), faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
faust (2) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622), Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
gkrieg (2) : Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623), EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
MiX (2) : mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635), joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
mathdude (1) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
EFHW (1) : gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
 
Not voting (1) : WCD
 
Currently, Jimmm is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends July 22, 2022, 03:03:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
faust→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894641#msg894641)
Jimmm→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
faust→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
EFHW→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
gkrieg→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
eddie→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 18, 2022, 03:02:27 am
Should that be "This does not an explanation make"?
Just go full Yoda.

"An explanation make this does not."
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 18, 2022, 07:50:09 am
Is everyone else voting one of their scumreads?

How does one obtain such a thing at this point in the game?
Just take a guess on who you think is scummy
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 18, 2022, 08:36:14 am
So what you're saying is we should RVS?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 18, 2022, 09:01:51 am
Somehow we've not had any setup discussion, despite this being an open setup.

Town has 3 PRs, and this being open, they are all also virtual ICs. However, we have forced Exiles. This is a bit of a problem as it doesn't allow for a clear point at which it's sensible to claim. But we absolutely need to allow claims because exiling a town PR is just extra awful. If wagons shift here last minute that can quickly lead to a very bad exile.

So, we should come up with a rule to prevent that. Something along the line of, anyone who has less than three votes 24 hours prior to the deadline may not be voted for anymore. Or to a bit of a wider net, maybe anyone who has received at least 3 votes at some point in the Day is eligible for exile.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 09:54:04 am
I think there was so long between signup and launch that we all forgot it was an open setup.

This setup looks really annoying -- we basically don't get night flips. So even if exile weren't mandatory, I would be strongly advocating against no exile because exiles are our only source of information.

But we absolutely need to allow claims because exiling a town PR is just extra awful.

This is a weird take from faust, who IIRC believes that vigilantes are negative utility.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 18, 2022, 09:58:43 am
I think there was so long between signup and launch that we all forgot it was an open setup.

This setup looks really annoying -- we basically don't get night flips. So even if exile weren't mandatory, I would be strongly advocating against no exile because exiles are our only source of information.

But we absolutely need to allow claims because exiling a town PR is just extra awful.

This is a weird take from faust, who IIRC believes that vigilantes are negative utility.
Well in this setup, I believe the vig has information on who they have killed, and they'd be the only person who could tell town this info? Which makes them more useful than normal (although I still don't think the vig should just start random crap shooting like they often do in games)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 18, 2022, 10:08:06 am
I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 10:17:52 am
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 18, 2022, 10:42:52 am
But we absolutely need to allow claims because exiling a town PR is just extra awful.

This is a weird take from faust, who IIRC believes that vigilantes are negative utility.
You do not remember correctly.

However, even if I were to agree that vigs are negative utility (which is a dumb take), then it would still be the case that the vig is also a Named Townie, which is a positive utility role.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 18, 2022, 10:43:19 am
I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.
I hadn't thought of exiles being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 18, 2022, 10:45:22 am
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 10:53:07 am
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 10:54:09 am
Remember, scum daychat is in discord now, which kind of changes a lot about expectations. Many people have their discords set up to give them notifications that they can get on their phones and on their computers. A scary amount of coordination is now possible.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 10:54:58 am
You're really going to make me trawl through old posts to find out that I was wrong about your take on vigs?

Ok.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 11:15:15 am
Yeah I should never trust my memory. Some of y'all have been vocal about vigs being negative utility, and I must have just ascribed it to faust because he and I tend to disagree dramatically on mafia theory. My bad.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 18, 2022, 11:47:10 am
It must've been ash that was against them, then. He's one of the people that would make an impression with their opinion.

So 1/3rd of town is a bad exile, and 1/4th of players are probably willing to claim PR to get away with being D1'd? So about half the players are "bad exiles", quote unquote? And half of those players are good exiles...

I think this means we shouldn't be scared of outing people D1.


Well, that was a good topic, faust. I was thinking this game needed some setup talk, but wasn't quite sure how to start it.

Vote: math again. Hey, post some more!

Also, joth is town.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 18, 2022, 12:04:12 pm
I think this means we shouldn't be scared of outing people D1.
What does that even mean? How oes it affect your play?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 18, 2022, 12:57:32 pm
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?
Obviously people have overly high expectations of my game play ability. Also, not necessarily defending faust, just pointing out that it does make a vig better if they have info
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 18, 2022, 12:58:34 pm
Remember, scum daychat is in discord now, which kind of changes a lot about expectations. Many people have their discords set up to give them notifications that they can get on their phones and on their computers. A scary amount of coordination is now possible.
For the record, I don't have Discord set up this way, as I don't need Discord notifications for everything
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 18, 2022, 12:59:32 pm
It must've been ash that was against them, then. He's one of the people that would make an impression with their opinion.

So 1/3rd of town is a bad exile, and 1/4th of players are probably willing to claim PR to get away with being D1'd? So about half the players are "bad exiles", quote unquote? And half of those players are good exiles...

I think this means we shouldn't be scared of outing people D1.


Well, that was a good topic, faust. I was thinking this game needed some setup talk, but wasn't quite sure how to start it.

Vote: math again. Hey, post some more!

Also, joth is town.
Yep, let's all mass claim, that seems sensible....
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 01:54:11 pm
inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 06:07:54 pm
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 18, 2022, 06:09:51 pm
I think the thing with Vigs is that the decision is made with less information than it would otherwise be. They can be fine and powerful, especially late game.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 06:11:09 pm
The biggest problem with daychat is that it sucks conversation out of the thread.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 06:15:15 pm
I think the thing with Vigs is that the decision is made with less information than it would otherwise be. They can be fine and powerful, especially late game.

Right. Funny how this conversation is all based on joth incorrectly attributing the negative utility idea to faust. Actually, scumreading faust for seeming to value the vig is striking me as scummy. Even if he had said something about vigs being negative utility in the past, it's strange to expect him to be so consistent that he would say outing the vig is fine in this game.

vote: joth
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 06:18:24 pm
I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.
I hadn't thought of exiles being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.

Are you just being snarky, or do you have an inference to make from what Jack said?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 18, 2022, 06:20:50 pm
The biggest problem with daychat is that it sucks conversation out of the thread.

Uhhh, howso?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 18, 2022, 06:22:52 pm
Is EFHW bad again? I donít have a lot of confidence yet, but Iím having deja vu.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 06:23:47 pm
The biggest problem with daychat is that it sucks conversation out of the thread.

Uhhh, howso?

Because the scum team has divided attention. Now that you ask me though, I guess this applies more to neighborhoods with daychat. I mean, do we want scum to post?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 06:24:21 pm
Is EFHW bad again? I donít have a lot of confidence yet, but Iím having deja vu.

And I thought I had been rehabilitated!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 07:33:52 pm
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 18, 2022, 07:41:31 pm
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Wrong Joth is town Joth.

I trust Joth for now, and find EFHWís vote odd for it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 18, 2022, 07:43:55 pm
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Sounds like scummy self-awareness to me.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 18, 2022, 07:50:28 pm
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Sounds like scummy self-awareness to me.

NahÖ it might be a little sus to explain the self assessment, but I think the assessment is accurate
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 18, 2022, 07:54:50 pm
Not that the assessment itself is scummy or wrong, just that it suggests he's thinking about and trying to replicate his Townself for cred.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 18, 2022, 08:10:35 pm
Joth has already shown that awareness multiple times, so he'd remember it as either alignment.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 18, 2022, 09:12:33 pm
You're really going to make me trawl through old posts to find out that I was wrong about your take on vigs?

Ok.

I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

You're actually suggesting that if you were scum you'd "trawl through old posts" to clarify faust's stance on Vigs before posting? Scum joth knows that Town joth wouldn't do that, and Town joth knows that scum joth knows that and therefore wouldn't do it.

A lie, that is.

Vote: joth
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 18, 2022, 09:55:27 pm
Vote: Jimmmmm

Darn, Iím already doing that.

Vote: EFHW

I guess.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 18, 2022, 09:57:33 pm
One of those two is dying today, best to get used the idea.

Or MiX, but Iíd rather wait till tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 18, 2022, 10:01:52 pm
One of those two is dying today, best to get used the idea.

y tho
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 10:29:22 pm
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

It wasn't that you got it wrong. It was that you scumread faust for looking at the implications of the setup for PRs, of which vig was only one.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 10:31:05 pm
Somehow we've not had any setup discussion, despite this being an open setup.

Town has 3 PRs, and this being open, they are all also virtual ICs. However, we have forced Exiles. This is a bit of a problem as it doesn't allow for a clear point at which it's sensible to claim. But we absolutely need to allow claims because exiling a town PR is just extra awful. If wagons shift here last minute that can quickly lead to a very bad exile.

So, we should come up with a rule to prevent that. Something along the line of, anyone who has less than three votes 24 hours prior to the deadline may not be voted for anymore. Or to a bit of a wider net, maybe anyone who has received at least 3 votes at some point in the Day is eligible for exile.

faust doesn't even refer specifically to the vig.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 18, 2022, 10:38:16 pm
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Wrong Joth is town Joth.

I trust Joth for now, and find EFHWís vote odd for it.

Isn't that a bit contrived? I think I made a decent enough case to warrant a vote, which means the vote is by definition not odd. We disagree in our read of joth. Also not unusual.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 18, 2022, 11:20:12 pm
Iím not sure EFHW has ever read me correctly. Not that Iím any better at reading EFHW.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 18, 2022, 11:36:00 pm
Iím not sure EFHW has ever read me correctly.

I think you should trawl through old posts to verify this.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 18, 2022, 11:53:22 pm
Vote Count 1.4
Please note the previous vote count had a mistake. MiX should of been voting for faust. This has been corrected in the 1.3 VC.
Jimmm (2) : Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628), faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
joth (2) : EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814), Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828)
EFHW (2) : gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)
faust (1) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
gkrieg (1) : Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
MiX (1) : mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
Joseph (1) : joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894771#msg894771)
mathdude (1) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894785#msg894785)
 
Not voting (1) : WCD
 
Currently, Jimmm is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends July 22, 2022, 03:03:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
faust→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894641#msg894641)
Jimmm→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
faust→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
EFHW→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
gkrieg→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
eddie→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
MiX→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894713#msg894713)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
joth→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894771#msg894771)
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894785#msg894785)
EFHW→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814)
Jimmm→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828)
eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 19, 2022, 01:07:20 am
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Wrong Joth is town Joth.

I trust Joth for now, and find EFHWís vote odd for it.

Isn't that a bit contrived? I think I made a decent enough case to warrant a vote, which means the vote is by definition not odd. We disagree in our read of joth. Also not unusual.

Disagreements are a fantastic reason to a scumread people.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 01:10:56 am
So are agreements.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 19, 2022, 01:12:41 am
I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Wrong Joth is town Joth.

I trust Joth for now, and find EFHWís vote odd for it.

Isn't that a bit contrived? I think I made a decent enough case to warrant a vote, which means the vote is by definition not odd. We disagree in our read of joth. Also not unusual.

Disagreements are a fantastic reason to a scumread people.
You are totally wrong about that!

Vote: Eddie
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 01:20:53 am
I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 19, 2022, 03:08:37 am
So are agreements.

Agreed.

I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Wrong Joth is town Joth.

I trust Joth for now, and find EFHWís vote odd for it.

Isn't that a bit contrived? I think I made a decent enough case to warrant a vote, which means the vote is by definition not odd. We disagree in our read of joth. Also not unusual.

Disagreements are a fantastic reason to a scumread people.
You are totally wrong about that!

Vote: Eddie

Come on, Iím not on my list.

Remember:

Jimmmmm
EFHW
Maybe MiX if I feel spontaneous.

Thereís no room for me on there.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 19, 2022, 03:39:41 am
So are agreements.

Agreed.

I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

Wrong Joth is town Joth.

I trust Joth for now, and find EFHWís vote odd for it.

Isn't that a bit contrived? I think I made a decent enough case to warrant a vote, which means the vote is by definition not odd. We disagree in our read of joth. Also not unusual.

Disagreements are a fantastic reason to a scumread people.
You are totally wrong about that!

Vote: Eddie

Come on, Iím not on my list.

Remember:

Jimmmmm
EFHW
Maybe MiX if I feel spontaneous.

Thereís no room for me on there.
Your list has the distinct disadvantage of containing only relatively active people.

Vote: shraeye
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 19, 2022, 03:42:49 am
Right now the only players in this game are:

Faust
MiX
EFHW
Jimmmmm
Me
Joth

Pretty small game, surprised itís balanced with 2 mafia and a SK.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 03:46:32 am
Faust
MiX
EFHW
Jimmmmm
Me
Joth

I knew you could make room for yourself on your list!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 19, 2022, 05:07:07 am
Lots of discussion happened while I was asleep. Let's poke a fellow lurker to see what gives.

Vote: WCD
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 19, 2022, 05:10:24 am
Vote: Jack
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 19, 2022, 09:07:47 am
One of those two is dying today, best to get used the idea.

Or MiX, but Iíd rather wait till tomorrow.

Wait, hold on, why am I scum?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 09:13:09 am
I am 100% not lurking. The only thing I am not doing is voting because I do not yet have a good enough sense of things to make an assessment.

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 09:14:53 am
One of those two is dying today, best to get used the idea.

Or MiX, but Iíd rather wait till tomorrow.

Wait, hold on, why am I scum?

Because youíre MiX! And like EFHW, the possibility always exists regardless of any sort of read.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 19, 2022, 09:47:35 am
Vote: math again. Hey, post some more!

I completely forgot about this game the past few days.  It's been a while since I've been in the forum regularly... I'll try to be around more often.

Vote: WCD
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 19, 2022, 09:56:28 am
Math is town! Wooooooo!

Vote: Jack
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 09:58:50 am
Math is town! Wooooooo!

Explain.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 19, 2022, 10:00:08 am
Math is town! Wooooooo!

Explain.

Well first you need to be town.

Vote: Jimmmmm

And then you read his latest post!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 10:05:23 am
And then you read his latest post!

He's Town because he forgot about the game or because he voted Didds?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 10:09:59 am
Iím winning the lurker vote! Iím winning the lurker vote!

I hope you are all surviving this stupid heat wave. Itís going to be 40.5 here today and for the the next two weeks (as long as the app is willing to forecast) and I kind of think maybe we should all move to a frozen tundra somewhere because this sucks. But at least I have A/C. Be safe yaíll!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 10:11:15 am
It's been pretty cold where I am for the last month or so.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 19, 2022, 10:14:18 am
And then you read his latest post!

He's Town because he forgot about the game or because he voted Didds?

Both.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 10:16:28 am
What's Towny about lurking again?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 19, 2022, 10:18:22 am
What's Towny about lurking again?

I'll let others explain this, I think this line of questioning might let me get reads
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 19, 2022, 11:48:01 am
inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.
partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 19, 2022, 11:49:58 am
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???

vote: joth
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 19, 2022, 11:55:01 am
Joth has already shown that awareness multiple times, so he'd remember it as either alignment.
I seem this factual.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 19, 2022, 11:57:58 am
One of those two is dying today, best to get used the idea.

Or MiX, but Iíd rather wait till tomorrow.
Or you?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 19, 2022, 12:03:05 pm
I am 100% not lurking. The only thing I am not doing is voting because I do not yet have a good enough sense of things to make an assessment.
Why is a "good sense of things" prerequisite to voting on day1. It most certainly should not be.

vote: WCD

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 19, 2022, 12:51:42 pm
Iím not sure EFHW has ever read me correctly. Not that Iím any better at reading EFHW.

Once I did. You were scum two times in a row, and you fooled me completely the first time and then I caught you quickly the second time because of similarity to the game just finished that was still fresh in my memory. The being fooled completely stands out in my mind, of course, and makes it hard to take your towniness at face value.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 19, 2022, 12:54:46 pm
inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.
partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

Why did partner dependent come up at all? I couldn't figure it out when joth posted that.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 01:53:00 pm
I am 100% not lurking. The only thing I am not doing is voting because I do not yet have a good enough sense of things to make an assessment.
Why is a "good sense of things" prerequisite to voting on day1. It most certainly should not be.

vote: WCD

For me, it is. You should certainly do you, boo.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 19, 2022, 02:04:51 pm
inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.
partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

Why did partner dependent come up at all? I couldn't figure it out when joth posted that.

my "case" against Joseph depends on he and faust being partners
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 19, 2022, 02:05:56 pm
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???

vote: joth

Someone should definitely vote for shraeye here for the obvious defense of EFHW's defense of Joseph's defense of faust. I mean, it's pretty obviously a scum move.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 19, 2022, 02:06:34 pm
I am 100% not lurking. The only thing I am not doing is voting because I do not yet have a good enough sense of things to make an assessment.

Iím winning the lurker vote! Iím winning the lurker vote!
/quote]

So are you lurking?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 19, 2022, 02:07:02 pm
Fixing quote fail: So are you lurking?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 02:08:40 pm
Fixing quote fail: So are you lurking?

Nope! But Jack, mathdude, and now Shraeye all voting for me.  It just struck me as funny.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 19, 2022, 02:11:12 pm
Fixing quote fail: So are you lurking?

Nope! But Jack, mathdude, and now Shraeye all voting for me.  It just struck me as funny.

I get it now.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 19, 2022, 02:41:34 pm
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???

vote: joth

Someone should definitely vote for shraeye here for the obvious defense of EFHW's defense of Joseph's defense of faust. I mean, it's pretty obviously a scum move.
Obviously, duh
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 19, 2022, 02:42:15 pm
Vote: joth
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 19, 2022, 02:43:07 pm
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???

vote: joth

Someone should definitely vote for shraeye here for the obvious defense of EFHW's defense of Joseph's defense of faust. I mean, it's pretty obviously a scum move.
Obviously, duh
Seems like joth wants to focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 19, 2022, 02:45:15 pm
Fixing quote fail: So are you lurking?

Nope! But Jack, mathdude, and now Shraeye all voting for me.  It just struck me as funny.
But the real question is: are you town?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 19, 2022, 03:24:44 pm
vote: Joseph

OMGUS, 1 v 1, etc.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 03:41:49 pm
Fixing quote fail: So are you lurking?

Nope! But Jack, mathdude, and now Shraeye all voting for me.  It just struck me as funny.
But the real question is: are you town?

Indeed!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 19, 2022, 04:17:28 pm
vote: Joseph

OMGUS, 1 v 1, etc.

So you're that confident in your thread position right now?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 19, 2022, 04:48:04 pm
MiX, stop being shifty.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 19, 2022, 05:13:38 pm
MiX, stop being shifty.

What did I do?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 19, 2022, 05:26:56 pm
Vote Count 1.4
Hippos are awesome.
joth (3) : EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814), Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828), Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
WCD (3) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853), mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864), Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
EFHW (2) : gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)
jackrudd (1) : faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854)
Jimmm (1) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869)
Joseph (1) : joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894915#msg894915)
 
Not voting (1) : WCD
 
Currently, joth is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends July 22, 2022, 03:03:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
faust→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894641#msg894641)
Jimmm→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
faust→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
EFHW→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
gkrieg→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
eddie→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
MiX→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894713#msg894713)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
joth→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894771#msg894771)
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894785#msg894785)
EFHW→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814)
Jimmm→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828)
eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)
faust→eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894843#msg894843)
faust→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894850#msg894850)
jackrudd→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853)
faust→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854)
mathdude→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864)
MiX→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894867#msg894867)
MiX→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869)
Shraeye→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894886#msg894886)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Joseph→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
joth→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894915#msg894915)
faust→eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894843#msg894843)
faust→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894850#msg894850)
jackrudd→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853)
faust→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854)
mathdude→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864)
MiX→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894867#msg894867)
MiX→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869)
Shraeye→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894886#msg894886)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Joseph→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
joth→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894915#msg894915)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 19, 2022, 06:29:39 pm
vote: Joseph

OMGUS, 1 v 1, etc.

So you're that confident in your thread position right now?

You know, confidence is 90% confidence.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 07:11:14 pm
Since Jack has advocated voting for lurkers (although I still maintain I am in no way a lurker), I'll start with that

vote: Jack

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 19, 2022, 09:01:03 pm
I think Shraeye is the only one I haven't played with before. Seems like very short posts, but enough to seem active. Very shifty... already voted at least 3 different players. Is this normal? Keeping my eye out.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 19, 2022, 09:05:12 pm
What's shifty about moving your vote around?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 19, 2022, 09:24:05 pm
I think Shraeye is the only one I haven't played with before. Seems like very short posts, but enough to seem active. Very shifty... already voted at least 3 different players. Is this normal? Keeping my eye out.

Itís totally normal. He doesnít fly around as much as MiX, but he does unexplained things (like hands out passes or gives people points but doesnít tell us what the points correlate to). Itís not scummy for him, really.

When RaeRae, who knows him best is playing, she says that scum Shraeye is like Shraeye-lite. Thereís a lot of fizz but not much heft. But that is really hard to discern in D1.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 19, 2022, 10:28:48 pm
MiX, stop being shifty.

What did I do?
Shifted, presumably.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 19, 2022, 10:30:19 pm
I think Shraeye is the only one I haven't played with before. Seems like very short posts, but enough to seem active. Very shifty... already voted at least 3 different players. Is this normal? Keeping my eye out.

Itís totally normal. He doesnít fly around as much as MiX, but he does unexplained things (like hands out passes or gives people points but doesnít tell us what the points correlate to). Itís not scummy for him, really.

When RaeRae, who knows him best is playing, she says that scum Shraeye is like Shraeye-lite. Thereís a lot of fizz but not much heft. But that is really hard to discern in D1.
So, is my fizz hefty enough for you today?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 19, 2022, 11:29:24 pm
Iím behind and I apologize. Loaded the trailer for moving yesterday, cleaned the house today, and start our drive tomorrow! Iíll try to read the thread in the evenings, but no promises.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 04:10:27 am
How is it that we're 2.5 days away from the deadline and have suddenly decided to have only bad wagons?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 04:13:25 am
I am 100% not lurking. The only thing I am not doing is voting because I do not yet have a good enough sense of things to make an assessment.
Why is a "good sense of things" prerequisite to voting on day1. It most certainly should not be.

vote: WCD
You are certainly demonstrating that right here.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 04:23:27 am
It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 07:07:43 am
I think Shraeye is the only one I haven't played with before. Seems like very short posts, but enough to seem active. Very shifty... already voted at least 3 different players. Is this normal? Keeping my eye out.

Itís totally normal. He doesnít fly around as much as MiX, but he does unexplained things (like hands out passes or gives people points but doesnít tell us what the points correlate to). Itís not scummy for him, really.

When RaeRae, who knows him best is playing, she says that scum Shraeye is like Shraeye-lite. Thereís a lot of fizz but not much heft. But that is really hard to discern in D1.
So, is my fizz hefty enough for you today?
Gross.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 07:10:14 am
Idk if Iím going to have time for serious rereading before deadline. I feel like thereís probably been enough good interaction to find a vote with a serious chance of being scum. Thatís not me, btw. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Anyway, if not Iíll just sheep one of my town reads.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 20, 2022, 07:28:38 am
Right now the only players in this game are:

Faust
MiX
EFHW
Jimmmmm
Me
Joth

Pretty small game, surprised itís balanced with 2 mafia and a SK.

What do you think of faust saying that we should focus more on lurkers?

Speaking of, does anyone other than Jack fit the description of "lurker"?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 08:58:11 am
It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.

So this is just exile all lurkers basically?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 08:59:39 am
Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302

I donít think this is actually how that works and Joseph is not someone who reads the scum QT reliably for faust to suggest this.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 09:02:40 am
I think the thing with Vigs is that the decision is made with less information than it would otherwise be. They can be fine and powerful, especially late game.

Right. Funny how this conversation is all based on joth incorrectly attributing the negative utility idea to faust. Actually, scumreading faust for seeming to value the vig is striking me as scummy. Even if he had said something about vigs being negative utility in the past, it's strange to expect him to be so consistent that he would say outing the vig is fine in this game.

vote: joth

I think in general flimsy cases against faust D1 are scummy. He is probably going to get killed at night anyways.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 09:03:38 am
It's been pretty cold where I am for the last month or so.

Haha
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 20, 2022, 09:04:25 am
It's been pretty cold where I am for the last month or so.

Haha

Uh... that wasn't a joke. Just having a pretty cold winter.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 20, 2022, 09:05:16 am
It's been pretty cold where I am for the last month or so.

Haha

Uh... that wasn't a joke. Just having a pretty cold winter.

I think it's a joke for everyone that is in summer right now.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 09:07:26 am
vote: joth

I want to have a meaningful vote down and I donít like how he is sticking to his flimsy case on faust.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 09:08:17 am
It's been pretty cold where I am for the last month or so.

Haha

Uh... that wasn't a joke. Just having a pretty cold winter.

I know but it is funny when I only barely remember where anyone lives
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 09:11:49 am
It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.

So this is just exile all lurkers basically?
Yeah, sure, that is exactly what I'm saying. I guess your alternative strategy is "exile all contributors".
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 20, 2022, 10:16:41 am
vote: joth

I want to have a meaningful vote down and I donít like how he is sticking to his flimsy case on faust.
Is he sticking to his case? What makes you say that, gkrieg?

Joth, are you sticking to your case?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 20, 2022, 10:17:43 am
It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.
Who's focusing on active players?  Is this an announcement to the crowd about strategic behavior, or a stone cast at a particular player?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 10:25:04 am
It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.
Who's focusing on active players?  Is this an announcement to the crowd about strategic behavior, or a stone cast at a particular player?
I'm mostly annoyed at people on the joth wagon, and Eddie.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 11:07:33 am
vote: joth

I want to have a meaningful vote down and I donít like how he is sticking to his flimsy case on faust.

I am definitely sticking to my flimsy case on faust which why I

(A) have repeatedly said my own case is bad

and

(B) have not voted for faust one single time
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 20, 2022, 11:11:11 am
Right now the only players in this game are:

Faust
MiX
EFHW
Jimmmmm
Me
Joth

Pretty small game, surprised itís balanced with 2 mafia and a SK.

What do you think of faust saying that we should focus more on lurkers?

Speaking of, does anyone other than Jack fit the description of "lurker"?

Mathdude is lurkerific
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 11:41:31 am
I'm going to say a very controversial thing which is that my wagon is bad and nonsense and I think it's kind of scummy to be on it right now.

But which vote on my wagon is the scummiest, you ask? Well, let's meet our contestants.

I think the thing with Vigs is that the decision is made with less information than it would otherwise be. They can be fine and powerful, especially late game.

Right. Funny how this conversation is all based on joth incorrectly attributing the negative utility idea to faust. Actually, scumreading faust for seeming to value the vig is striking me as scummy. Even if he had said something about vigs being negative utility in the past, it's strange to expect him to be so consistent that he would say outing the vig is fine in this game.

vote: joth

EFHW has the first position on the wagon, not generally where scum likes to be, and her vote seems earnest, if slightly confusing (not sure how any of the words there add up to a case on me). So let's keep looking.

You're really going to make me trawl through old posts to find out that I was wrong about your take on vigs?

Ok.

I actually research my posts when Iím scum. Shoot-from-the-hip Joth is town joth.

You're actually suggesting that if you were scum you'd "trawl through old posts" to clarify faust's stance on Vigs before posting? Scum joth knows that Town joth wouldn't do that, and Town joth knows that scum joth knows that and therefore wouldn't do it.

A lie, that is.

Vote: joth

Vote #2 is also a more towny position, but could be scum trying to get something going. That said, I kind of like the case here. Jimmmmm's basically saying that if I'm aware enough of my own meta to comment on it in my defense, I'm probably aware of my own meta enough to circumvent it. But then, am I audacious enough to reverse my own meta, then immediately use that to defend myself? It starts to feel a bit overly complicated, not to mention ineloquent. Wouldn't I just do the thing and let someone else comment on the meta implications.

I could see Jimmmmm making this post as town or as scum, because it's either inauthentic or just poorly thought out.

Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???

vote: joth

Vote #3 on a wagon, especially when a good chunk has gone by since vote #2, is IMO the scummiest vote on a wagon. And you can quote me on that some day in the future when I'm in the third position on a wagon after some time has gone by.

shraeye's vote here seems like a joke to me. But he never moved it. So that's scummy.

Note for the record, that I pointed out faust playing out of character and Joseph rushed to his defense.

Also scum has daytalk.

vote: Joseph2302
Are you suggesting that in the 4.5 minutes between your post and Joseph's, Joseph and I coordinated that they should defend me?

It's entirely possible he took the initiative to defend you without coordination. Either way, it pinged me a little.
But Joseph made a good point that was missing from the discussion. It doesn't look like defending faust to me.
EFHW defending Joseph's stellar defense of Faust, but joth doesn't vote her for it???

vote: joth

Someone should definitely vote for shraeye here for the obvious defense of EFHW's defense of Joseph's defense of faust. I mean, it's pretty obviously a scum move.
Obviously, duh
Seems like joth wants to focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles

There's a reason I'm already voting for Joseph, and it's that his vote on me seems the fakest and laziest. Because I made a joke about shraeye's vote on me, I'm obviously trying to get the town to "focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles". I'm doing a great job, by the way, of lining up at least one misexile, so props to me I guess. Too bad it's my own.

My only misgiving is that this is almost too lazy to be scum.

vote: joth

I want to have a meaningful vote down and I donít like how he is sticking to his flimsy case on faust.

See above. This vote is total nonsense, reflects a lack of having read the thread, and really starts to push my wagon into dangerous territory. But again, it's so blatant it almost seems more like bad town play than scum play because it's so blatant.

But the nice thing that gkrieg has going for him is he's also something of a lurker, and several people I respect have expressed an interest in a lurker exile today, so I could definitely get onboard there.

But for me, the winner is shraeye. The combination of being in the scummiest wagon slot and making an apparent joke vote but then not moving it is just enough to put him over the top.

vote: shraeye
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 11:46:15 am
oh shoot. shraeye actually did move his vote. damn.

vote: gkrieg13
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 11:47:50 am
sorry to totally botch that analysis. shraeye moved his vote quickly, which tells me that it actually was a joke.

So yeah, I am advocating Joseph or gkrieg based on their bad votes on me. gkrieg also has few enough posts that he should satisfy faust's lurker agenda.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 11:48:49 am
man if I'd realized I was only at 4 votes instead of five, I wouldn't have put so much work into the case /s
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 20, 2022, 12:25:04 pm
Gotta say.... Joth's tryhard is reading very towny to me
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 20, 2022, 12:48:09 pm
Doesn't joth tryhard more as scum?

I swear, so many people have been buddies with joth, surely someone can give a good read on him?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 20, 2022, 12:53:23 pm
He gets frustrated when hes town, and that is what I see here

Joth's earnestness is 100% authentic. Its who he is (like my friendliness) so its NAI, but the frustration is towny to me.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 20, 2022, 01:02:53 pm
vote: joth

I want to have a meaningful vote down and I donít like how he is sticking to his flimsy case on faust.

I am definitely sticking to my flimsy case on faust which why I

(A) have repeatedly said my own case is bad

and

(B) have not voted for faust one single time

"Repeatedly" is wrong here.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 01:43:38 pm
inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.

Technically I disparaged my own case twice in this post. Hence, "repeatedly" is technically correct.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 01:45:23 pm
This might work against me given what Didds just said, but I'm not really frustrated rn. Just trying to play my best game and lead my best life.

I sort of gave up on reacting emotionally to early wagons against me, because they happen with alarming frequency and getting annoyed about them just makes people vote for you more. Now I'm more about vote for me, don't vote for me, whatever, except maybe don't vote for me because I'd rather we exile scum.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 20, 2022, 01:58:17 pm
It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.

It's also a bad idea to focus on town players.

It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.
Who's focusing on active players?  Is this an announcement to the crowd about strategic behavior, or a stone cast at a particular player?
I'm mostly annoyed at people on the joth wagon, and Eddie.

Gasp

At least you can take solace in the fact that I am also annoyed with the joth wagon.

And once EFHW flips town I'll be annoyed with myself.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 02:07:46 pm
EFHW has the first position on the wagon, not generally where scum likes to be
I have to comment because this is just so nonsensical to me.

First of all, like, how would you even go about avoiding being the first person on a wagon? Just like, never vote for someone that doesn't already have votes on them? Or be clairvoyant and know which votes will be sheeped by other players?

And second, um.... no. First person is pretty much the best position on a wagon for scum to be at. It doesn't happen all that often because it requires you as scum to actually convince townies to follow your lead, and that's hard, but I see no sensible reason why scum would try to avoid it.

On the plus side, joth has taken a completely outragous position, so that makes me more confident in his tonwieness.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 20, 2022, 02:12:41 pm
The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

Iím expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 20, 2022, 02:21:00 pm
inb4 someone mentions that partner-dependent cases are especially rubbish early game cases.

I'm fine with my vote where it is but I admit that it's the flimsiest of cases and I eagerly await a better one.

Technically I disparaged my own case twice in this post. Hence, "repeatedly" is technically correct.

Oh, I thought the first part was sarcastic. Is that the right word here? Whatever.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 02:22:34 pm
EFHW has the first position on the wagon, not generally where scum likes to be
I have to comment because this is just so nonsensical to me.

First of all, like, how would you even go about avoiding being the first person on a wagon? Just like, never vote for someone that doesn't already have votes on them? Or be clairvoyant and know which votes will be sheeped by other players?

And second, um.... no. First person is pretty much the best position on a wagon for scum to be at. It doesn't happen all that often because it requires you as scum to actually convince townies to follow your lead, and that's hard, but I see no sensible reason why scum would try to avoid it.

On the plus side, joth has taken a completely outragous position, so that makes me more confident in his tonwieness.

Ok, you have some fair points here. But I think the starter of the wagon is too high-visibility. When people are doing wagon analysis, the person who started the wagon gets scrutinized pretty hard, along with the hammer vote. But, like, you're right that the starter of a wagon doesn't know they're starting a wagon so scum doesn't have much choice about it.

None of that changes that EFHW's vote strikes me as earnest. Not saying EFHW couldn't be scum, just saying there's better options.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 20, 2022, 02:23:02 pm
The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

Iím expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 02:36:33 pm
The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

Iím expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.

I absolutely shouldn't weigh in here, but it's 100% a fan. When is the first wagon ever actually the day's exile?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 02:38:17 pm
The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

Iím expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.
Eddie sheeping you? That's hilarious. Eddie has been pushing for EFHW and Jimmmmm all game, if anyone is sheeping here it's you.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 02:39:35 pm
I absolutely shouldn't weigh in here, but it's 100% a fan. When is the first wagon ever actually the day's exile?
IDK, feels like there's about 50% of D1s that never actually produce more than 1 or 2 wagons.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 02:40:12 pm
Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 03:37:30 pm
Why not gkrieg? Pretty lurky but thereís also a case there. Something for everyone.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 03:43:16 pm
Why not gkrieg? Pretty lurky but thereís also a case there. Something for everyone.
I have a history with gkrieg and I hope to get over it at some point.

There's also a case for Jack btw.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 03:57:08 pm
Tell me more!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 20, 2022, 04:23:32 pm
There's always a case for Jack, to be fair. I have no confidence in my ability to make reads and therefore very rarely make them.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 20, 2022, 04:29:03 pm
The Joth wagon is a bit hilarious to me.

Iím expecting it to be a fad.


All the cool kids are into EFHW/Jimmmmm wagons.

You know, you can't just sheep me like this. I'm trying my hardest to townread you D1, but it's hard.

Also, of course it's not going to be a fad. You'd know better as town. And you know better as scum, but you'd lie.
Eddie sheeping you? That's hilarious. Eddie has been pushing for EFHW and Jimmmmm all game, if anyone is sheeping here it's you.

Buddy. I meant buddy. Oops.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 20, 2022, 04:33:36 pm
Iíve called you scummy twice now.

I can do it a third time if it makes you happy.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 20, 2022, 04:35:18 pm
Are you sure you didnít mean a third word?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 20, 2022, 04:44:02 pm
Tell me more!
I mean, you can look at the 4 (now 5) posts that Jack has made this game yourself.

Greetings!

Vote: Faust
Welcome + RVS vote

I've been celebrating my nephew's birthday. There was pizza and ice-cream.
Fluff

I hadn't thought of vigilantes being negative utility, but it makes sense: they're essentially an exile of an arbitrary player, and such a player is more likely to be town than scum.
Theory talk

These three are pretty much the most textbook opening posts to a mafia game you can imagine. Things to fall back on when you struggle to contribute. And scum would feel more pressure on that front.

Lots of discussion happened while I was asleep. Let's poke a fellow lurker to see what gives.

Vote: WCD
Then this. I feel you either think lurking is bad and vote-worthy, and then you don't want to do it, or you think it's no big deal and then you wouldn't go after lurkers yourself. Jack is trying to have it both ways, and that just reads as a clumsy attempt to deflect away from himself to me.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 20, 2022, 04:47:29 pm
Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?

Since you asked nicely.

But you have to promise to kill a scum player tomorrow.

Vote: Jack
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 20, 2022, 04:59:45 pm
Jack is such an easy mislynch. All the points about him struggling for something to say always apply to him.

The joth wagon has gotten too popular. unvote
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 20, 2022, 05:01:36 pm
vote: Jimmmmm
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 20, 2022, 05:02:43 pm
Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?

Since you asked nicely.

But you have to promise to kill a scum player tomorrow.

Vote: Jack

Wait, you don't think Jack is scum?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 20, 2022, 05:11:57 pm
vote: Jimmmmm

Woah, now youíre just trying to confuse me.

Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?

Since you asked nicely.

But you have to promise to kill a scum player tomorrow.

Vote: Jack

Wait, you don't think Jack is scum?

Not particularly.

Heís scummier than Joth!

Thatís something.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 20, 2022, 06:03:57 pm
Jack is such an easy mislynch. All the points about him struggling for something to say always apply to him.

The joth wagon has gotten too popular. unvote
I'm still not convinced joth is towny, but whatever. If he's not the best exile option for today, then we need to find someone else
I don't think I've played with Jack before, is this more like a town or scum! Jack?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 20, 2022, 06:28:02 pm
Seems like joth wants to focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles

I think scum is far more likely to make this argument than Town.

Vote: Joseph
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 20, 2022, 06:32:42 pm
Jack is such an easy mislynch. All the points about him struggling for something to say always apply to him.

The joth wagon has gotten too popular. unvote
I'm still not convinced joth is towny, but whatever. If he's not the best exile option for today, then we need to find someone else
I don't think I've played with Jack before, is this more like a town or scum! Jack?

Is what more like Town or scum Jack? Are you literally asking to be provided with an excuse to vote?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 20, 2022, 07:16:39 pm
Jack is such an easy mislynch. All the points about him struggling for something to say always apply to him.

The joth wagon has gotten too popular. unvote
I'm still not convinced joth is towny, but whatever. If he's not the best exile option for today, then we need to find someone else
I don't think I've played with Jack before, is this more like a town or scum! Jack?

Is what more like Town or scum Jack? Are you literally asking to be provided with an excuse to vote?
Nope, I'm trying to get people's opinions on someone I haven't played with. Because I've not seen enough content to make me think either way about them

Trying to consider all the people with recent votes, as we have to exile someone
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 20, 2022, 07:17:28 pm
Seems like joth wants to focus on this to try and just get some mis-exiles

I think scum is far more likely to make this argument than Town.

Vote: Joseph
I've made this argument many times before. And I'm (almost) always town
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 20, 2022, 07:20:08 pm
Has it been useful for actually finding scum?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 20, 2022, 07:37:33 pm
I like my WCD vote (I think I'm still there). I'd also be happy to vote for gkrieg. Might be convinced to switch to Jack, but as has been said, he's such an easy mis-vote, it just doesn't seem right today. I likely won't vote joth, MiX, or Shrae today. No opinion yet on any others.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 20, 2022, 07:38:52 pm
Has it been useful for actually finding scum?
Has anything I've ever done been useful for finding scum?
Though I think joth may be scummy, I can see that's not going to get enough votes today

PPE: 1
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 20, 2022, 07:50:00 pm
Has anything I've ever done been useful for finding scum?

You tell me.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 20, 2022, 09:01:39 pm
Well the reticence to vote for Jack is really making me feel a certain kinda way about Jack. I mean, they can't all be his partners, right?

vote: Jack
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 09:16:48 pm
It's always a bit of a bad idea to focus on active players, but it's even worse in multiball. Scum prefers shooting the active players, so there's a good chance that active scum will just be eliminated by the other team.

So this is just exile all lurkers basically?
Yeah, sure, that is exactly what I'm saying. I guess your alternative strategy is "exile all contributors".

I generally agree with the EAL sentiment, you just usually have something more solid D1.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 09:17:29 pm
vote: joth

I want to have a meaningful vote down and I donít like how he is sticking to his flimsy case on faust.

I am definitely sticking to my flimsy case on faust which why I

(A) have repeatedly said my own case is bad

and

(B) have not voted for faust one single time

Oh, I didnít notice the lack of vote. Unvote
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 20, 2022, 09:22:20 pm
Why did people only want to vote for me after I started posting? And why has no one really done it?

Also I am pretty sure I had said in my posts that I was not reading ver carefully, so itís weird that joth wants to vote for me because it seems like Iím not reading very carefully. Moving takes a lot of my time.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 20, 2022, 11:42:25 pm
vote: Jimmmmm

Woah, now youíre just trying to confuse me.

Anyways can we please start exiling Jack now?

Since you asked nicely.

But you have to promise to kill a scum player tomorrow.

Vote: Jack

Wait, you don't think Jack is scum?

Not particularly.

Heís scummier than Joth!

Thatís something.
You were already confused. I've been trying to enlighten you. But why throw away your vote?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 21, 2022, 12:42:55 am
Vote Count 1.5
jackrudd (4) : faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854), WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894930#msg894930), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895012#msg895012), joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895036#msg895036)
WCD (3) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853), mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864), Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Jimmm (2) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869), EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895015#msg895015)
joth (1) : Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
Joseph (1) : Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895022#msg895022)
 
Not voting (1) : gkrieg
 
Currently, jackrudd is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends July 22, 2022, 03:03:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
faust→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894641#msg894641)
Jimmm→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
faust→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
EFHW→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
gkrieg→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
eddie→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
MiX→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894713#msg894713)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
joth→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894771#msg894771)
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894785#msg894785)
EFHW→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814)
Jimmm→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828)
eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)
faust→eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894843#msg894843)
faust→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894850#msg894850)
jackrudd→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853)
faust→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854)
mathdude→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864)
MiX→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894867#msg894867)
MiX→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869)
Shraeye→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894886#msg894886)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Joseph→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
WCD→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894930#msg894930)
gkrieg→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894967#msg894967)
joth→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894979#msg894979)
joth→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894980#msg894980)
eddie→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895012#msg895012)
EFHW→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895014#msg895014)
EFHW→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895015#msg895015)
Jimmm→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895022#msg895022)
joth→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895036#msg895036)
gkrieg→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895038#msg895038)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 21, 2022, 01:23:39 am
Well the reticence to vote for Jack is really making me feel a certain kinda way about Jack. I mean, they can't all be his partners, right?

vote: Jack
I get that, and I appreciate all Jack votes, but it's not really a good way to analyze things in this game I fear. Any scum can have at most one partner, that is probably not going to elicit a significant amount of retinence.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 21, 2022, 01:36:43 am
I get that, and I appreciate all Jack votes, but it's not really a good way to analyze things in this game I fear. Any scum can have at most one partner, that is probably not going to elicit a significant amount of retinence.

+1
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 21, 2022, 12:10:16 pm
Hmmm....  I was looking at the people voting for me and thinking about their reasons. I went to reread mathdude.  It took 2 minutes.  He has 4 posts and nothing of substance, but there is zero reason for his vote and it happened after the RVS stage had petered out.  Two of his posts are the result of votes, and the other two are when he votes for me without reason (he was following Jack, so because he thought I was lurking??) and then doubles down on it, again without any sort of anything. I am not sure I want to call it scummy, could just be no effort.

Hello everyone! Finally, another mafia game.
Vote: math
OMGUS
No, I think we should instead Vote: MiX
Hello everyone! Finally, another mafia game.
Vote: math
Vote: physics
Physics?  I mean, it's a fantastic subject, but what does it have to do with this game?

Vote: math again. Hey, post some more!
I completely forgot about this game the past few days.  It's been a while since I've been in the forum regularly... I'll try to be around more often.
Vote: WCD

I think Shraeye is the only one I haven't played with before. Seems like very short posts, but enough to seem active. Very shifty... already voted at least 3 different players. Is this normal? Keeping my eye out.

I like my WCD vote (I think I'm still there). I'd also be happy to vote for gkrieg. Might be convinced to switch to Jack, but as has been said, he's such an easy mis-vote, it just doesn't seem right today. I likely won't vote joth, MiX, or Shrae today. No opinion yet on any others.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 21, 2022, 12:37:36 pm
Oh, ok Didds...
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 21, 2022, 12:42:42 pm
Whatever, dude
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 21, 2022, 01:20:25 pm
I am not sure I want to call it scummy, could just be no effort.
You want to call it scummy. Just follow your heart!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 21, 2022, 01:37:01 pm
I am not sure I want to call it scummy, could just be no effort.
You want to call it scummy. Just follow your heart!

I ❤️ you faust! But honestly, I canít decide. Is it scummy or lazy? I have a hard time seeing through my saltiness that itís directed at me, but I donít want to just OMGUS.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 21, 2022, 02:01:45 pm
I am not sure I want to call it scummy, could just be no effort.
You want to call it scummy. Just follow your heart!

I ❤️ you faust! But honestly, I canít decide. Is it scummy or lazy? I have a hard time seeing through my saltiness that itís directed at me, but I donít want to just OMGUS.
Well I can't offer much other advice I'm afraid. mathdude hasn't said anything that made me mad so far, which is usually how I can tell that he's town. But I'm not sure it makes him scum.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 21, 2022, 02:18:01 pm
I think I've said this before, but I really don't understand why some people like to target lurkers so much.

1) Personally, when I'm scum, because it doesn't happen that often, I'm extra-excited to play the game. I can't imagine rolling scum and then just not posting.

2) When I'm scum and I'm trying to direct the exile, it's very tempting to choose a lurker because they're easy to exile and there's a decent chance they won't show up to defend themselves.

3) Lurking as scum isn't particularly strategic -- you're essentially giving up your chance to A) manipulate the town and (B) earn towncred. Why do that?

4) There's plenty of reasons to lurk as town -- IRL business, being overwhelmed by the size of the town and the lack of information, fear of being painted as scummy for what you say (though two of those could also apply to scum).

5) Scum has had a chance to strategize about their day 1 before the game even started, with the benefit of a partner to offer suggestions. They should be coming in more ready than anyone to engage.

So with all that working against it, why push for it? I'd say it has a worse-than-even chance of hitting scum. I suppose it has the side benefit of keeping active players in the game and removing players about whom it's hard to glean information.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 21, 2022, 02:19:16 pm
I do think a serial killer is a bit more likely to lurk as they really need to stay under the radar. So this game has that going for it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 21, 2022, 02:44:42 pm
I think I've said this before, but I really don't understand why some people like to target lurkers so much.

1) Personally, when I'm scum, because it doesn't happen that often, I'm extra-excited to play the game. I can't imagine rolling scum and then just not posting.

2) When I'm scum and I'm trying to direct the exile, it's very tempting to choose a lurker because they're easy to exile and there's a decent chance they won't show up to defend themselves.

3) Lurking as scum isn't particularly strategic -- you're essentially giving up your chance to A) manipulate the town and (B) earn towncred. Why do that?

4) There's plenty of reasons to lurk as town -- IRL business, being overwhelmed by the size of the town and the lack of information, fear of being painted as scummy for what you say (though two of those could also apply to scum).

5) Scum has had a chance to strategize about their day 1 before the game even started, with the benefit of a partner to offer suggestions. They should be coming in more ready than anyone to engage.

So with all that working against it, why push for it? I'd say it has a worse-than-even chance of hitting scum. I suppose it has the side benefit of keeping active players in the game and removing players about whom it's hard to glean information.
I don't think lurking is alignment-indicative. Well there might exist players for who it is but not generally. So I think you're misguided in thinking that lurkers have a worse-than-average chance of hitting scum. But they also don't have a better-than-average chance.

But I think if a lurker has the same average scumminess level in their post as an active player, it's always preferable to exile the lurker.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 21, 2022, 02:46:09 pm
I do think a serial killer is a bit more likely to lurk as they really need to stay under the radar. So this game has that going for it.

And one third of the scum in this game is a serial killer, so that's a pretty significant fraction.

It's the only reason I'm not yelling to shield math right now, he could easily be SK for that specific reason.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 21, 2022, 03:06:02 pm
The problem with forced exile is that people don't actually need to commit to anything. Just let it happen. I'll try to be around more tomorrow. Just getting back into the habit of checking forum regularly
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 21, 2022, 04:18:03 pm
I take fausts position on lurking. It just happens...also certain people are prone to lurk not just because they have a lack of things to say, but because of timezones/availability.  I seem to recall Jimmm getting labeled a lurker quite often, well...timezones.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 21, 2022, 04:23:43 pm
I am not sure I want to call it scummy, could just be no effort.
You want to call it scummy. Just follow your heart!

I ❤️ you faust! But honestly, I canít decide. Is it scummy or lazy? I have a hard time seeing through my saltiness that itís directed at me, but I donít want to just OMGUS.
So, you're asking Faust if it's scummy or lazy? Or the room? Or just highlighting your thought process?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 21, 2022, 04:40:00 pm
Hmmm....  I was looking at the people voting for me and thinking about their reasons. I went to reread mathdude.  It took 2 minutes.  He has 4 posts and nothing of substance, but there is zero reason for his vote and it happened after the RVS stage had petered out.  Two of his posts are the result of votes, and the other two are when he votes for me without reason (he was following Jack, so because he thought I was lurking??) and then doubles down on it, again without any sort of anything. I am not sure I want to call it scummy, could just be no effort.

Wasn't for no reason, and it wasn't specifically sheeping Jack. As I read a few of your start-up posts, they seemed more forced than normal - not as natural as usual. Then I saw I wasn't the only one suspecting you, so rather than asking or commenting, I just voted to add pressure.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 21, 2022, 06:06:33 pm
I am not sure I want to call it scummy, could just be no effort.
You want to call it scummy. Just follow your heart!

I ❤️ you faust! But honestly, I canít decide. Is it scummy or lazy? I have a hard time seeing through my saltiness that itís directed at me, but I donít want to just OMGUS.
So, you're asking Faust if it's scummy or lazy? Or the room? Or just highlighting your thought process?

My thought process
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 21, 2022, 08:49:53 pm
Jack, gimme your thoughts on Mix

Gkrieg, gimme your thoughts on Eddie

Joseph, gimme your thoughts on EFHW.

Please.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 22, 2022, 12:51:56 am
Or like, nobody say anything. That sounds fun too
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 03:26:47 am
Or like, nobody say anything. That sounds fun too
Not been feeling great. And was asleep in the 4 hours between your posts
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 03:28:04 am
Joseph, gimme your thoughts on EFHW.

Please.

Thanks!
I usually think EFHW is scum (partly because she is quite a lot), but this game I'm leaning towards them being town, at least for now
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 03:29:25 am
Unfortunately, there's not anyone that I think is really scummy right now, which is why I'm having a hard time pinning down a vote (and the fact I've not been feeling too great isn't helping either)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2022, 03:38:54 am
Vote Count 1.6
jackrudd (4) : faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854), WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894930#msg894930), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895012#msg895012), joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895036#msg895036)
WCD (3) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853), mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864), Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Jimmm (2) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869), EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895015#msg895015)
joth (1) : Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
Joseph (1) : Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895022#msg895022)
 
Not voting (1) : gkrieg
 
Currently, jackrudd is set to be exiled! With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 1 ends July 22, 2022, 03:03:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
faust→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894641#msg894641)
Jimmm→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
faust→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
EFHW→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
gkrieg→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
eddie→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
MiX→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894713#msg894713)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
joth→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894771#msg894771)
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894785#msg894785)
EFHW→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814)
Jimmm→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828)
eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)
faust→eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894843#msg894843)
faust→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894850#msg894850)
jackrudd→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853)
faust→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854)
mathdude→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864)
MiX→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894867#msg894867)
MiX→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869)
Shraeye→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894886#msg894886)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Joseph→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
WCD→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894930#msg894930)
gkrieg→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894967#msg894967)
joth→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894979#msg894979)
joth→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894980#msg894980)
eddie→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895012#msg895012)
EFHW→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895014#msg895014)
EFHW→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895015#msg895015)
Jimmm→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895022#msg895022)
joth→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895036#msg895036)
gkrieg→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895038#msg895038)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 22, 2022, 03:39:26 am
The problem with forced exile is that people don't actually need to commit to anything. Just let it happen.

I guess the advantage is any activity will be towards a good or better exile rather than just avoiding a no-exile, so stances still need to be given. For those able to be around at deadline that is.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 22, 2022, 03:58:48 am
So, less than 12 hours to deadline.

Jack, I think you need to claim.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 06:32:27 am
8.5 hours now
I will Vote: math as they're the person I'm least convinced about

Would be good to hear a claim from Jack, as they look the most likely to be exiled currently. Right now, Jack exile seems okay to me, as they're not on my towny list
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 22, 2022, 06:42:57 am
I'm nothing interesting. A vanilla townie.

My read on MiX is that he is giving off town vibes, but I don't know how accurate that read is.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 22, 2022, 06:52:39 am
Well, good. It will now take a significant amount of evidence to convince me to put my vote somewhere else.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 22, 2022, 06:55:35 am
Oh, and shraeye, give me your thoughts on Didds.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 22, 2022, 06:56:36 am
This is unfortunate.

Weíll be able to kill scum tomorrow, though.

Right?

Probably?

Anyway. Iím going to sleep. Might not wake up until after deadline.

Best of luck, folks.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2022, 07:27:09 am
Jack has acted like this as scum too much for me to trust them here :(

But we can still kill scum and go for Jimmmmm, right?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 22, 2022, 07:59:16 am
This is unfortunate.

Weíll be able to kill scum tomorrow, though.

Right?

Probably?

Anyway. Iím going to sleep. Might not wake up until after deadline.

Best of luck, folks.

You are a nightwalker!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 22, 2022, 08:08:07 am
This is unfortunate.

Weíll be able to kill scum tomorrow, though.

Right?

Probably?

Anyway. Iím going to sleep. Might not wake up until after deadline.

Best of luck, folks.

This is the second time Eddie said this and he didn't answer my question about the first time. Then goes to sleep without changing his vote despite implying strongly that he thinks Jack is town. What's the message here?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2022, 09:33:45 am
You have a good point EFHW.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 22, 2022, 10:22:43 am
I'm here right now but deadline is 5am for me. Anyone else around and want to chat?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 22, 2022, 10:25:32 am
Vote: Jack

Reasonable Day 1 exile.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 22, 2022, 10:25:54 am
L - 2.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 22, 2022, 10:33:24 am
I think Didds level of heing and hawing has been much higher, also has been put on display on a awkward way....feels performative.

And if Didds is borrowing the metric of scumShraeye is shraeye-lite, it really feels like this is didds-lite.  I was thinking about that before Didds came in with her analysis on her wagon.
Hmmm....  I was looking at the people voting for me...
And wow. The amount of effort/substance staggered me.

I've been thinking about partners.  Initially, Mix seemed like a great candidate. Still a good one. But Eddie is making a decent effort to supplant MiX.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 22, 2022, 10:34:48 am
Is scum Didds Didds-lite?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 22, 2022, 10:44:39 am
I don't have a go-to didds-rule, but I'm saying Didds D1 behavior is more scum-oriented than town-oriented.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 22, 2022, 11:18:17 am
I think Didds level of heing and hawing has been much higher, also has been put on display on a awkward way....feels performative.

And if Didds is borrowing the metric of scumShraeye is shraeye-lite, it really feels like this is didds-lite.  I was thinking about that before Didds came in with her analysis on her wagon.
Hmmm....  I was looking at the people voting for me...
And wow. The amount of effort/substance staggered me.

I've been thinking about partners.  Initially, Mix seemed like a great candidate. Still a good one. But Eddie is making a decent effort to supplant MiX.

So, thinking about the people who had voted for me is a staggering lack of effort. Compared to the rich analysis we are getting from whom?

And by performative you mean try to engage the game? And what am I hemming and hawing about? I am definitely prone to hemming and hawing, but I don't recall doing that here, much less in awkward display, which seems kind of snide.

I am not sure what you would classify as town-oriented, but if it depends on actually being town, then meet that criteria.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 12:42:42 pm
Not convinced in any way that Didds is bad, and the wagon for it seems kinda scummy

It's ~2 hrs until the deadline and I don't expect to be around again. So I'll:
Vote: Jack
L-1
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 12:43:38 pm
Killing a VT isn't the worst thing in the world, at least it's not a town PR
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 02:57:07 pm
7 minutes to go, looks like Jack exile is happening
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on July 22, 2022, 02:59:47 pm
Seems like. Very anticlimactic end of day. I guess that's what you get from forced exile.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2022, 03:12:28 pm
No reason to post when the exile's going through.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jack Rudd on July 22, 2022, 03:45:35 pm
Ave Caesar, morituri te salutamus
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Joseph2302 on July 22, 2022, 04:27:56 pm
No reason to post when the exile's going through.
Under that logic, people don't need to post all game, and we can just randomly exile people and hope
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2022, 05:25:09 pm
Vote Count 1.6
Flavor text here.
jackrudd (6) : faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854), WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894930#msg894930), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895012#msg895012), joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895036#msg895036), Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895115#msg895115), Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895131#msg895131)
WCD (3) : jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853), mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864), Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Jimmm (2) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869), EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895015#msg895015)
 
Not voting (1) : gkrieg
 
Jack Rudd was Exiled. Night started at 6:00pm FT. Day 2 Starts 6:00pm FT on Sunday July 24th. Night actions due in 36 hours from night start.[/u].
 
Votes:
[/b]
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894620#msg894620)
jackrudd→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894622#msg894622)
Joseph→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894623#msg894623)
Shraeye→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894628#msg894628)
Jimmm→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894629#msg894629)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894635#msg894635)
faust→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894641#msg894641)
Jimmm→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894642#msg894642)
faust→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894647#msg894647)
EFHW→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894648#msg894648)
gkrieg→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894650#msg894650)
eddie→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894652#msg894652)
MiX→faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894713#msg894713)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894719#msg894719)
joth→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894771#msg894771)
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894785#msg894785)
EFHW→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894814#msg894814)
Jimmm→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894828#msg894828)
eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894830#msg894830)
faust→eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894843#msg894843)
faust→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894850#msg894850)
jackrudd→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894853#msg894853)
faust→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894854#msg894854)
mathdude→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894864#msg894864)
MiX→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894867#msg894867)
MiX→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894869#msg894869)
Shraeye→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894886#msg894886)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894891#msg894891)
Joseph→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894911#msg894911)
WCD→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894930#msg894930)
gkrieg→joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894967#msg894967)
joth→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894979#msg894979)
joth→gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg894980#msg894980)
eddie→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895012#msg895012)
EFHW→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895014#msg895014)
EFHW→Jimmm (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895015#msg895015)
Jimmm→Joseph (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895022#msg895022)
joth→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895036#msg895036)
gkrieg→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895038#msg895038)
Joseph→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895096#msg895096)
Jimmm→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895115#msg895115)
Joseph→jackrudd (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895131#msg895131)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 22, 2022, 05:45:27 pm
Umm, what? It's after 3:03pm my time. Wasn't that end of day? Is it night?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2022, 05:53:56 pm
THREAD LOCKED

*sorry wrong post*

Flip will come when I am not mobile.

Night will start on with next post.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2022, 06:46:56 pm

Jack Rudd has been Exiled!

They were a Cannibal Mafia Goon Hippo.


Night started at 6:00pm FT. Day 2 Starts 6:00pm FT on Sunday July 24th. Night actions due in 36 hours from night start.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2022, 06:09:37 pm
The following events have occurred:

faust has died at night.
Joseph has died at night.
Jimmmm has died at night.

Day 2 starts now and ends Sunday, July 31st at 6:10pm Forum Time.


THREAD UNLOCKED!!!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2022, 06:12:18 pm
Vote Count 2.0

   

Not voting (8) : eddie, EFHW, , gkrieg, joth, mathdude, MiX, Shraeye, WCD
 
Currently, no one is set to be exiled! With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 1 ends Sunday, July 31st at 3:10pm Forum Time.
 
THREAD UNLOCKED!

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2022, 06:14:37 pm
Yeah, hooray! Itís been a long time since we found scum D1. Iím proud of us!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 06:14:56 pm
Someone with a better understanding of the setup tell me how we didnít have 3 people die.

I assume itís just two people killing the same person and the roleblocker.

But maybe kills arenít simultaneous and a killer dies before killing?

I donít know, and donít want to read the thing again.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2022, 06:20:23 pm
The role blocker, or SK also has one shot immunity, or two of them had the same target?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Jimmmmm on July 24, 2022, 06:21:56 pm
Someone with a better understanding of the setup tell me how we didnít have 3 people die.

Vig doesn't have to shoot.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 06:25:53 pm
Someone with a better understanding of the setup tell me how we didnít have 3 people die.

Vig doesn't have to shoot.

Pffft.

Theyíd shoot, though. They are very brave.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2022, 06:28:04 pm
Uncle, why didn't you shoot me?

Everyone else: isn't uncle the best jack partner? I didn't reread, but...
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 06:29:10 pm
Uncle, why didn't you shoot me?

Everyone else: isn't uncle the best jack partner? I didn't reread, but...

Iím in the running for the worst, I think thatís what you meant to say.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2022, 06:33:12 pm
Uncle, why didn't you shoot me?

Everyone else: isn't uncle the best jack partner? I didn't reread, but...

Nah, Shraeye is the best Jack partner. Eddie helped make that wagon happen. Shraeye was working on derailing it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 06:39:02 pm
We know that neither of our deadies killed the other one because they would have flipped someone, right?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2022, 07:02:39 pm
I think so:

When a Cannibal night-kills someone, they take the body and put it in their larder, resulting in no role/alignment reveal to the town for that kill. The Cannibal who performed the kill learns the role/alignment reveal via their result PM.

If a Cannibal night-kills another Cannibal, they take all of the bodies their target had, learning all the role/alignment information their target knew. This will include their target's night-kill target from that same night, if applicable.

If more than one Cannibal night-kills the same target, they will all learn the target's role/alignment information. They will not learn that their target was killed multiple times.

If two Cannibals night-kill eachother, and are not in turn night-killed by yet another Cannibal, their role/alignment information, and that of all the bodies they possessed, is revealed to the town.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2022, 07:15:02 pm
Jimmm has also died. At night.
This was not posted originally in error.

Updating post now.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 07:16:17 pm
Uhhh, interesting.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 07:19:15 pm
And all 3 have to be town?

Right?

Because any killer that dies would guarantee we got some info?

Ick.

That isnít great news.

But we still have a VigÖ

So thatís cool.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2022, 07:35:00 pm
WowÖ 3 is a lot. Only 8 people left. So, the game is, at most , a couple more days?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 08:09:52 pm
Vote: EFHW
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 24, 2022, 08:20:49 pm
It's a long shot, given only 1 partner and only 1 game day to read from. But where would a partner want to be, as the day became more clear that Jack was likely to be exiled?

Quote
ackrudd (6) : faust, WCD, eddie, joth, Jimmm, Joseph
WCD (3) : jackrudd, mathdude, Shraeye
Jimmm (2) : MiX, EFHW
 
Not voting (1) : gkrieg

On partner, but got stuck and couldn't leave without being suspicious?
Bussing late when it looked inevitable?
On another wagon?
Not voting?

If it were me, I'd probably want to be either in joth's spot (early enough that it could still swing elsewhere and I'd look really clear if/when he did die). But off-wagon is another decent option - who if Shrae, MiX, or EFHW  (or gk) was most trying to get the vote off Jack?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 08:43:41 pm
I believe EFHW said something in the realm of ďJack is an easy mislynch.Ē

Or something like that.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 24, 2022, 09:08:14 pm
Eh, Iíll just claim

Iím the vig

I killed Joseph, who was the other scum. He killed faust, who was VT.

Also, a little DAMA.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 24, 2022, 09:09:24 pm
We know that neither of our deadies killed the other one because they would have flipped someone, right?

And all 3 have to be town?

Right?

Because any killer that dies would guarantee we got some info?

Ick.

That isnít great news.

But we still have a VigÖ

So thatís cool.

Intentionally misleading? Or just clarifying how things work?

Standard rule 4 (original post in this thread), combined with cannibal mechanics (reposted by Didds a few posts ago) seem to indicate a carnival could definitely be dead and we wouldn't know, yet.

Rule 4 says things are resolved in the order they are received. One cannibal kills townie. Next cannibal kills cannibal 1 and gets their info. Because they didn't kill each other, we get no info.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 24, 2022, 09:13:15 pm
I would guess SK wants to be off wagon, and they would assume Jack was town.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 24, 2022, 09:15:09 pm
... like gk just said!

So if he's telling the truth, then the Serial Killer will likely want him dead now? And we can't verify what gk says unless we kill him (or we kill a Serial Killer after they kill him).

And if he's lying, then he may be Goon or Serial Killer and Joseph was actually the Vig? And in this case, we'd definitely want him dead. Would he put such a target on his head with a fake claim, thinking we'd accept it?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 09:16:50 pm
Ohhh, they steal the bodies.

My brain will figure out this setup eventually.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 09:18:25 pm

Ö
Intentionally misleading?
Ö


You funny.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 09:24:52 pm
Unvote I guess.

Although I am less than happy about it.

Is it a good idea to reveal the other named Town people? Is that a thing? I canít decide.

In theory itís

1 SK
1 RB
1 Weird Cop
1 Gkrieg
4 VT

And if we reveal our other 2 buddies, then they canít get body-snatched by a SK.

Maybe just the RB reveals? They are a lot less helpful if both Mafia are truly dead.

I just donít want a body snatch to happen.

I feel like keeping gkrieg alive to use him as a shot is more helpful than killing him today.

EhhhhÖ
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2022, 09:50:20 pm
Eh, Iíll just claim

Iím the vig

I killed Joseph, who was the other scum. He killed faust, who was VT.

Also, a little DAMA.

OhhhhÖ..spicy!

So, we just need to find the SK?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 24, 2022, 09:57:05 pm
Eh, Iíll just claim

Iím the vig

I killed Joseph, who was the other scum. He killed faust, who was VT.

Also, a little DAMA.

OhhhhÖ..spicy!

So, we just need to find the SK?

Unless gkrieg is lying.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2022, 10:00:00 pm
Unvote I guess.

Although I am less than happy about it.

Is it a good idea to reveal the other named Town people? Is that a thing? I canít decide.

In theory itís

1 SK
1 RB
1 Weird Cop
1 Gkrieg
4 VT

And if we reveal our other 2 buddies, then they canít get body-snatched by a SK.

Maybe just the RB reveals? They are a lot less helpful if both Mafia are truly dead.

I just donít want a body snatch to happen.

I feel like keeping gkrieg alive to use him as a shot is more helpful than killing him today.

EhhhhÖ

We definitely keep gkrieg alive.

The weird cop knows a result (cannibal or not).

The RB is our best hope for keeping gkrieg alive.

The SK can only kill one of them, thoughÖ. And gkrieg gets off his shot regardless, right?

Iíll have to think through if I think heís lying but hot take is no.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2022, 11:29:19 pm
My gut read is gkrieg is lying and heís a goon.

Just because I think if youíre the other goon right now youíre feeling like things went pretty badly for you and youíre ready to try a Hail Mary.

But idk. Itís gutsy. And thereís basically no way he pulls this when thereís a counterclaim out there, so he would have to have killed the vig to be claiming now which is long odds.

So on reflection heís probably telling the truth. Probably.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2022, 12:19:14 am
Yeah, hooray! Itís been a long time since we found scum D1. Iím proud of us!
Yeah, you guys called it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2022, 12:20:22 am
Will catch up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2022, 05:23:11 am
If gkrieg is lying he shot the town vig, I guess. Regardless, the SK kinda has to kill them, so that solves itself.

If the count is right, then we have 3 named townies and 3 VT alive? That corners the SK immediately, in what should be a town win.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 25, 2022, 05:30:45 am
4 VT, no?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2022, 05:38:25 am
Oh. I factored in Jimmmm extra death but not Swowl saying we were 8 before the correction.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2022, 06:00:52 am
Ok, well, I'm sure others have figured this out, but we should definitely not claim anything today. Well, anything else.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 25, 2022, 07:24:02 am
Voted Jack early and without reservations: faust, WCD
Expressed reticence but still voted Jack early: joth, Eddie
Expressed reticence but voted Jack eventually: Joseph
Explicitly against the Jack exile: EFHW, Jack
Didnít express a sentiment but voted Jack eventually: Jimmmm
Didnít express a sentiment, didnít vote Jack: mathdude, shraeye, MiX

Looking at the day end, Joseph is the most obvious partner to me, which I guess gives gkrieg some town points.

Damn, if gk is telling the truth then weíre just SK hunting and this wagon analysis is considerably less useful. And if go is lying heís scum so weíre still SK hunting. Unless gkrieg is the serial killer and heís lying, which we do have to consider. But I think we can wait at least one night before we go heís down that rabbit hole.

SK wouldnít shoot Joseph though. Because killing the other faction off this early is bad for them.

Even (and dare I say especially) the towniest players could be the SK. How are we supposed to catch them?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 25, 2022, 07:26:20 am
I mean, if your SK test is ďstayed under the radarĒ I think MiX and shraeye fit the bill. They both played D1 pretty nonconfrontational and stayed out of all the major drama, which is not really on-brand for either of them.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2022, 08:59:13 am
Ha! I suppose it's possible that gkrieg is the SK, yeah. This setup really hides mechanical information well.

How do we catch the SK? Well...I guess we just have to read D1 again.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 25, 2022, 12:36:22 pm
Between vig, cop, and RB... whoever is still alive, we likely have a decent chance of finding SK in the next night or two.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 25, 2022, 01:07:00 pm
Ok, well, I'm sure others have figured this out, but we should definitely not claim anything today. Well, anything else.

It will be harder to trust claims tomorrow. The earlier we do then the more helpful they are.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2022, 01:08:19 pm
Ok, well, I'm sure others have figured this out, but we should definitely not claim anything today. Well, anything else.

It will be harder to trust claims tomorrow. The earlier we do then the more helpful they are.

No, they're equally hard. SK has a free bluff today, so.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 25, 2022, 01:29:52 pm
Every day the SK is cumulatively more likely to kill a Weird Cop or RB. Not just on that day, but across all days.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2022, 02:09:46 pm
Joth, what do you think about claiming now vs. claiming later?

Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2022, 03:03:20 pm
Every day the SK is cumulatively more likely to kill a Weird Cop or RB. Not just on that day, but across all days.

Yes, but they could've done it now, so we can't trust PR claims already.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 25, 2022, 03:23:35 pm
claiming in general is not going to be that useful because of the information asymmetry... I think.

I don't know. I think I'm with MiX. Give our PRs one more night to work.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2022, 05:09:04 pm
I kind of want gkrieg to be lying because it's such a cool fakeclaim. But if Joseph was the vig, goon!gkrieg would be better off staying quiet. Having spoken up now makes him a probable SK target.

gkrieg - How did you decide that giving us the information you had was worth dying for?

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2022, 06:39:17 pm
Unvote I guess.

Although I am less than happy about it.

Is it a good idea to reveal the other named Town people? Is that a thing? I canít decide.

In theory itís

1 SK
1 RB
1 Weird Cop
1 Gkrieg
4 VT

And if we reveal our other 2 buddies, then they canít get body-snatched by a SK.

Maybe just the RB reveals? They are a lot less helpful if both Mafia are truly dead.

I just donít want a body snatch to happen.

I feel like keeping gkrieg alive to use him as a shot is more helpful than killing him today.

EhhhhÖ

I'm trying to make sense out of this post.
- What would be the benefit to town of a claim? Why can't you decide?
- What is a body snatch?

I was confused by the 1 gkrieg thing, with no mention of goon or vig, but now I get it that he's one of the two options and the other is dead.

There is some reason to consider exiling gkrieg, since goon!gkrieg would have an nk to kill another town. We may have the assistance of the RB, but in blocking gkrieg they lose a chance to help find the SK. Vig!gkrieg might want to shoot, too, but that is less worrisome given that he'd be making his decision in light of town's best interests. We don't generally exile vigs to keep them from shooting!

In the end, I agree we should not exile gkrieg today. He put himself in the SK crosshairs by claiming, and a solo goon would not do that. Would a drunk!solo!goon?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 25, 2022, 06:51:22 pm
Town claiming would avoid a body snatch (kinda).

A body snatch is a cannibal killing a town PR and claiming to be that PR (since we canít disprove it due to no flip, and they know they killed that PR, so so counter). Effective snatching the body and pretending to be that PR.

Claiming now means the only possible bodysnatches are from if Jimmmmm was a PR or if Joseph was the real Vig.

In future days itís much more foggy. Each day increases the likelihood that claims are nothings.

And yeah. I canít decide. Half of me thinks Joth/MiX are into something. Half of me thinks we almost solve the game with claims.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2022, 07:53:20 pm
Town claiming would avoid a body snatch (kinda).

A body snatch is a cannibal killing a town PR and claiming to be that PR (since we canít disprove it due to no flip, and they know they killed that PR, so so counter). Effective snatching the body and pretending to be that PR.

Claiming now means the only possible bodysnatches are from if Jimmmmm was a PR or if Joseph was the real Vig.

In future days itís much more foggy. Each day increases the likelihood that claims are nothings.

And yeah. I canít decide. Half of me thinks Joth/MiX are into something. Half of me thinks we almost solve the game with claims.
Ok. I see now. It's too late, though. A VT could also be snatched. That's why I didn't see the point in claiming.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 25, 2022, 08:14:07 pm
VT being snatched is much less significant, no?

Because a VT being snatched is essentially the same as having 5 claimed VT?

I dunno.

Iím down for no claim if itís only me seeing an issue here, though.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 25, 2022, 09:04:04 pm
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: scolapasta on July 25, 2022, 10:08:04 pm
Vote Count 2.1
Remains of hippo have been found underneath Trafalgar Square.
MiX (1) : eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895278#msg895278)
 
Not voting (7) : EFHW, gkrieg, joth, mathdude, MiX, Shraeye, WCD
 
Currently, MiX is set to be exiled! With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 ends July 31, 2022, 03:10:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895217#msg895217)
eddie→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895227#msg895227)
eddie→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895278#msg895278)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 25, 2022, 10:11:40 pm
Closed on the house today. Had to drive 6 hours for a cashiers check. Will respond tomorrow once I have internet set up.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2022, 10:27:56 pm
Closed on the house today. Had to drive 6 hours for a cashiers check. Will respond tomorrow once I have internet set up.

Congratulations!!!!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 25, 2022, 10:58:33 pm
Joth, what do you think about claiming now vs. claiming later?

Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

We're making teams? I'm on your team.

Really though, I don't think claiming does much other than expose PRs. A little coordination could happen, but then scum/SK could know better how to counter... at night and with claims.

And each cannibal (including gk, whether good or bad) now has a safe claim that cannot be countered, even if it is just VT. We know each got a kill last night, with 3 night deaths.

At least next game day, we should only have a max of 3 deaths (exile and 2 night kills), so there should still be 5 or more around then.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2022, 11:32:27 pm
VT being snatched is much less significant, no?

Because a VT being snatched is essentially the same as having 5 claimed VT?

I dunno.

Iím down for no claim if itís only me seeing an issue here, though.
I can see where we would have a harder time exiling a claimed PR than a claimed VT. But an uncountered claimed PR is automatically suspicious whereas a fakeclaiming VT is just one in a group of other people claiming VT.  Nothing to draw attention to themselves. And that issue isn't solved by claiming PRs now.

I like this "body snatching" term. It seems very apt!

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2022, 11:36:20 pm
Just realized that mathdude, in the post just before mine, said a lot of what I wrote. Sorry math!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 26, 2022, 04:28:15 am
VT being snatched is much less significant, no?

Because a VT being snatched is essentially the same as having 5 claimed VT?

I dunno.

Iím down for no claim if itís only me seeing an issue here, though.

I don't think this is relevant enough for us to lose our PRs.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 26, 2022, 04:29:51 am
Vote: shraeye

Sheeping joth.

At least I have the confort in knowing that scum!me knows what town!me does, because I think I'd do this as SK too.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 26, 2022, 04:50:34 am
I mean, right now the PRs wonít be doing anything.

I am unlikely to be trusting a weird cop that doesnít claim today.

And the RB has to double tap a SK while blindfolded.

But again, this is just my take. And I am fine with not claiming.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 26, 2022, 08:33:35 am
Is there any merit to a no exile here?

We have 8 alive and probably 2 kills happening. So I guess the parity sort of cancels itself out.

I don't want to but I think I ought to vote: MiX
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 26, 2022, 08:39:48 am
Swowl, will you please prod Shraeye for us?

Joth, Eddie, why the MiX votes?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 26, 2022, 08:40:50 am
I mean, right now the PRs wonít be doing anything.

I am unlikely to be trusting a weird cop that doesnít claim today.

And the RB has to double tap a SK while blindfolded.

But again, this is just my take. And I am fine with not claiming.

The RB is a cop. The cop is a cop. They both reduce our pool of suspects, even if the SK impersonates them.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 26, 2022, 08:41:17 am
Is there any merit to a no exile here?

We have 8 alive and probably 2 kills happening. So I guess the parity sort of cancels itself out.

I don't want to but I think I ought to vote: MiX

We can't no exile. Also, no.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 26, 2022, 08:45:01 am
I wish you had waited for me to vote for shraeye before sheeping me. Now I just feel like I'm being manipulated.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 26, 2022, 01:22:44 pm
Thatís a yucky feeling.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 26, 2022, 01:45:04 pm
Swowl, will you please prod Shraeye for us?

Joth, Eddie, why the MiX votes?

I think MiX and shraeye best fit the profile of SK based on D1 play. And then I just don't like this post. It feels like MiX is rushing to the defensive before he's been properly accused. And then voting shraeye hoping I'll follow him. It was just overeager. idk.


Vote: shraeye

Sheeping joth.

At least I have the confort in knowing that scum!me knows what town!me does, because I think I'd do this as SK too.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 26, 2022, 02:45:12 pm
If itís MiX, you for sure only catch him with seems and feels. He doesnít mess up anything you can quote back to him.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 26, 2022, 04:37:33 pm
I mean, right now the PRs wonít be doing anything.

I am unlikely to be trusting a weird cop that doesnít claim today.

And the RB has to double tap a SK while blindfolded.

But again, this is just my take. And I am fine with not claiming.

My assumption is gkrieg is telling the truth.  That's not a winning play by Goon#2.

So we're hunting SK...yeah, claims...the RB is really not helpful right now because of what UncleE says. But it's not super helpful as a named town either, due to the body-snatch effect.  Named town is much less powerful in this setup; it's a neat setup.  But I don't think UncleE is correct about weird cop; I'd want to have results before I claimed.  Claiming just to be a named person isn't as strong as claiming with results.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 26, 2022, 04:38:36 pm
EFHW / Eddie seem to be making the most sense; not super helpful because their conclusions are not the same. 


Also,
I'm not super interested in voting for MiX today.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 26, 2022, 04:44:37 pm
Also,
I'm not super interested in voting for MiX today.

Thatís an unfortunate opinion for you to have based on the way the room is going right now...
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 26, 2022, 04:52:29 pm
The room needs to check itself.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 26, 2022, 04:56:48 pm
Do you have alternate theories for the room?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 26, 2022, 05:02:43 pm
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 26, 2022, 05:03:18 pm
Do you have alternate theories for the room?
Not yet
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 26, 2022, 05:20:05 pm
The only people I feel sure are not the sk are me and gkrieg. I don't think Eddie is either. A number of people are being a bit more distant than usual, but really I wouldn't expect anyone playing now to have left easy clues for us to follow.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 26, 2022, 06:14:58 pm
Is there any merit to a no exile here?

We have 8 alive and probably 2 kills happening. So I guess the parity sort of cancels itself out.

I don't want to but I think I ought to vote: MiX

Heís doing his one scum tell.

I mean, he isnít doing it a lot.

And it isnít as prevalent, but itís there.

Enough I poked him about it yesterday and will continue to poke him today.

Iím bad at reading SKís historically, but I feel like this read has some relevance regardless.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 26, 2022, 08:32:35 pm
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?

These are the folks instrumental in exiling Jack. They are my town team. Either of them not joining the wagon would have made traction on exiling scum way harder.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 26, 2022, 08:36:59 pm
The SK could still want to kill Jack, though.

So we arenít guiltless by default.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 26, 2022, 09:13:09 pm
The SK could still want to kill Jack, though.

So we arenít guiltless by default.

True enough, but for today youíre in my team.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 26, 2022, 10:49:16 pm
I think I've convinced myself that gk has to be telling the truth. There are a couple edge cases where he could be lying, but it does seem too risky to be worth it.

And for roles, hindsight will always be better. But getting more info is probably better, imo, than revealing power roles early here... even with the higher risk of body-snatching.

RB can choose whether they block the same if they still think that person may be SK, or try a new target and hope to survive both N2 and N3 if needed. Cop can get info for another person. And gk can try to find SK... since RB shouldn't target him, if his kill doesn't go through, he's as good as the cop now (except a wrong guess kills a town).

Would it make sense for gk to announce his target before deadline? Then cop and RB won't double-up on his target (though they could still both hit the same person). And even if he does target the SK and the SK targets him because of it, then we win anyway.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 26, 2022, 10:52:46 pm
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?

These are the folks instrumental in exiling Jack. They are my town team. Either of them not joining the wagon would have made traction on exiling scum way harder.
So, what are your thoughts on gkrieg's claim?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2022, 05:50:00 am
The SK could still want to kill Jack, though.

So we arenít guiltless by default.

True enough, but for today youíre in my team.

Okay, but why?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 27, 2022, 06:53:33 am
The SK could still want to kill Jack, though.

So we arenít guiltless by default.

True enough, but for today youíre in my team.

Okay, but why?

Fishing for claims?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 27, 2022, 09:11:31 am
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?

These are the folks instrumental in exiling Jack. They are my town team. Either of them not joining the wagon would have made traction on exiling scum way harder.
So, what are your thoughts on gkrieg's claim?

I believe him. Or at least I think itís in our best interest to proceed as if what he is saying is true. If itís not, we find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 27, 2022, 10:05:04 am
How do we find out soon enough? If he's the SK and the vig and both mafia are dead, he could ride this claim to the end of the game, couldn't he?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 27, 2022, 10:38:39 am
How do we find out soon enough? If he's the SK and the vig and both mafia are dead, he could ride this claim to the end of the game, couldn't he?

The cop?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2022, 10:59:18 am
The cop specifically does not work for gkrieg.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2022, 11:22:01 am
How do we find out soon enough? If he's the SK and the vig and both mafia are dead, he could ride this claim to the end of the game, couldn't he?
If he's the SK, scum will know he is lying and will likely shoot him.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2022, 11:25:25 am
How do we find out soon enough? If he's the SK and the vig and both mafia are dead, he could ride this claim to the end of the game, couldn't he?
If he's the SK, scum will know he is lying and will likely shoot him.

SK!gkrieg couldn't have killed both a scum and the vig.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2022, 11:26:36 am
How do we find out soon enough? If he's the SK and the vig and both mafia are dead, he could ride this claim to the end of the game, couldn't he?
If he's the SK, scum will know he is lying and will likely shoot him.

SK!gkrieg couldn't have killed both a scum and the vig.

Yeah he could.

If SK, gkrieg shot Jimmmmm, the town vig, that shot Joseph, the scum, who then shot faust. So there's no scum alive to kill him.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2022, 11:28:46 am
How do we find out soon enough? If he's the SK and the vig and both mafia are dead, he could ride this claim to the end of the game, couldn't he?
If he's the SK, scum will know he is lying and will likely shoot him.

SK!gkrieg couldn't have killed both a scum and the vig.
If one of the other two nks were vig or scum, gkrieg wouldn't know that and wouldn't risk this claim.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 27, 2022, 12:01:04 pm
But you get the bodies of the people you kill. So if he killed Joseph who killed scum, then he'd know both identities. Right?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - SIGN UPS OPEN!!!
Post by: jotheonah on July 27, 2022, 12:01:50 pm

If a Cannibal night-kills another Cannibal, they take all of the bodies their target had, learning all the role/alignment information their target knew. This will include their target's night-kill target from that same night, if applicable.

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 27, 2022, 12:59:53 pm
How do we find out soon enough? If he's the SK and the vig and both mafia are dead, he could ride this claim to the end of the game, couldn't he?
If he's the SK, scum will know he is lying and will likely shoot him.

SK!gkrieg couldn't have killed both a scum and the vig.

Yeah he could.

If SK, gkrieg shot Jimmmmm, the town vig, that shot Joseph, the scum, who then shot faust. So there's no scum alive to kill him.

This is possible, but the number of deaths tonight should help us sort it out, hopefully. There's still the chance of manipulation by him if he's lying. But if we got all killing roles dead except him on D1 and N1, AND he pulled this huge gamble, he almost deserves the win already. I think it's much more likely, and in our best interest, to assume he's telling the truth... at least for today.

There's also the possibility that he's SK and killed Vig. Other scum doesn't counter, or he's exposed. Gk gambles that we or he finds other scum before scum kills him 2 nights in a row. But again... a risky edge case, and better for us to just assume he's telling the truth today.

He can't be SK who found scum (who didn't kill Vig), or Vig would counterclaim.

If he's scum and killed Vig (opposite of what he claimed), then SK likely kills him tonight, if we don't find and exile SK today. So this isn't likely either.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 27, 2022, 03:18:42 pm
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?

These are the folks instrumental in exiling Jack. They are my town team. Either of them not joining the wagon would have made traction on exiling scum way harder.

This really doesn't compute. If Eddie/Joth are the folks most instrumental in exiling Jack, you can be HAPPY with their actions (I am) but in terms of whether their actions make them GoodPeople...their actions really just means "They are very much not Jack's partner."  Which means they are either SK or Town, each having equal incentive/happiness at exiling a Goon on Day1.

The only world where Jack's partner is somehow still alive is when it is gkreig going crrrrazy with a gambit.  So, you're saying "I am sure Eddie/joth are on my team because they are not Jack's partner....really doesn't compute with the statements you made here"

Eh, Iíll just claim

Iím the vig

I killed Joseph, who was the other scum. He killed faust, who was VT.

Also, a little DAMA.

OhhhhÖ..spicy!

So, we just need to find the SK?
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?

These are the folks instrumental in exiling Jack. They are my town team. Either of them not joining the wagon would have made traction on exiling scum way harder.
So, what are your thoughts on gkrieg's claim?

I believe him. Or at least I think itís in our best interest to proceed as if what he is saying is true. If itís not, we find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 27, 2022, 03:32:28 pm
shraeye do you suspect Didds of being the SK, or are you just telling her she's wrong?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2022, 05:17:25 pm
But you get the bodies of the people you kill. So if he killed Joseph who killed scum, then he'd know both identities. Right?
Oh! I forgot about that!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 27, 2022, 09:51:47 pm
Sorry, Iíve dropped the ball on this game.

I will say that I donít think I was at risk of being exiled very soon, so I wouldnít take the risk of claiming vig as the SK. At least not right now. I claimed early because I act as an SK cop. As long as im not roleblocked, if my kill does not go through, Iíve shot the SK.

The SK can kill me, but then you obviously know I was the vig.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 27, 2022, 09:54:32 pm
I am almost certain the SK tries to avoid the D1 wagon, hoping that people are more focused on the scum hunting than trying to find them.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 27, 2022, 09:55:38 pm
Also SK killed Jimmmmm, which might give some info.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2022, 11:12:35 pm
I disagree that SK would be off wagon. If they thought Jack was scum they would vote. Why not? Being off wagon also draws attention. If you want to blend in, vote with the masses! So, the Jack votes/non-votes seem NAI to me.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2022, 11:19:57 pm
This is unfortunate.

Weíll be able to kill scum tomorrow, though.

Right?

Probably?

Anyway. Iím going to sleep. Might not wake up until after deadline.

Best of luck, folks.

This is the second time Eddie said this and he didn't answer my question about the first time. Then goes to sleep without changing his vote despite implying strongly that he thinks Jack is town. What's the message here?

Eddie, this is left over from Day 1. Can you respond?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2022, 11:50:39 pm
Vote: shraeye

Sheeping joth.

At least I have the confort in knowing that scum!me knows what town!me does, because I think I'd do this as SK too.

@MiX, Why did you vote Shraeye here? And can you explain your comment about what you would do as town/scum/SK? I don't understand it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 12:17:21 am
This is unfortunate.

Weíll be able to kill scum tomorrow, though.

Right?

Probably?

Anyway. Iím going to sleep. Might not wake up until after deadline.

Best of luck, folks.

This is the second time Eddie said this and he didn't answer my question about the first time. Then goes to sleep without changing his vote despite implying strongly that he thinks Jack is town. What's the message here?

Eddie, this is left over from Day 1. Can you respond?

Science.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2022, 06:21:52 am
Vote: shraeye

Sheeping joth.

At least I have the confort in knowing that scum!me knows what town!me does, because I think I'd do this as SK too.

@MiX, Why did you vote Shraeye here? And can you explain your comment about what you would do as town/scum/SK? I don't understand it.

I was sheeping joth since I liked his argument for me and shraeye being scummy, and I was waiting for shraeye to post. The comment to myself was just that me voting for someone while sheeping a reason that implies I'm scummy is something I tend to do a lot as scum too.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2022, 08:39:26 am
Vote: Shraeye

Iím open to moving to one or two other people, but the list is short. Iím heading to Ohio later today to visit friends this weekend so Iíll be a bit scarce, but itís not like anyone is burning up the thread right now. Catching a serial killer is hard, apparently. (I think this might be my first game that has an outright SK instead of a third party team!)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2022, 09:23:39 am
Also, today is my anniversary so hooray for debatepro and me! :)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 10:32:37 am
shraeye do you suspect Didds of being the SK, or are you just telling her she's wrong?
Was waiting for Didds to respond...apparently she doesn't care to.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 10:33:12 am
So, definitely leaning towards the SK

vote: Didds
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2022, 10:58:45 am
Vote Count 2.2
Every year across Africa, hippos kill an estimated 500 people, making them the worldís deadliest mammal, after humans, and nearly twice as deadly as lions.

MiX (2) : eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895278#msg895278), joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895299#msg895299)
Shraeye (2) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895289#msg895289), WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895426#msg895426)
WCD (1) : Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895430#msg895430)
 
Not voting (3) : EFHW, gkrieg, mathdude
 
Currently, MiX is set to be exiled! With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 ends July 31, 2022, 03:10:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895217#msg895217)
eddie→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895227#msg895227)
eddie→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895278#msg895278)
MiX→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895289#msg895289)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895299#msg895299)
WCD→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895426#msg895426)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895430#msg895430)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 28, 2022, 11:56:30 am
Vote: Shraeye

Iím open to moving to one or two other people, but the list is short. Iím heading to Ohio later today to visit friends this weekend so Iíll be a bit scarce, but itís not like anyone is burning up the thread right now. Catching a serial killer is hard, apparently. (I think this might be my first game that has an outright SK instead of a third party team!)

vote: Didds. It doesn't seem like she gave this vote a lot of thought, given that Shraeye's comment and joth's question were still unaddressed.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2022, 12:05:54 pm
Vote: Shraeye

Iím open to moving to one or two other people, but the list is short. Iím heading to Ohio later today to visit friends this weekend so Iíll be a bit scarce, but itís not like anyone is burning up the thread right now. Catching a serial killer is hard, apparently. (I think this might be my first game that has an outright SK instead of a third party team!)

vote: Didds. It doesn't seem like she gave this vote a lot of thought, given that Shraeye's comment and joth's question were still unaddressed.

Joth didn't ask me a question. He asked Shraeye one that hasn't been answered:

shraeye do you suspect Didds of being the SK, or are you just telling her she's wrong?

I have no interest in engaging with Shraeye any more today. D1 his comments were snide and about my stunning lack of ability to build a case on someone despite me finding scum. Today he is taking me to task for things that others think or have responded to. He seems convinced that I am a baddie in a stubborn sort of way, so it all seems rather pointless. I think anyone who knows me knows that there isn't any way in hell in that I would kill Jimmmm when MiX or faust were still alive, so its just whatever.  Absent actually finding the SK, I am a fine enough exile for today.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2022, 12:19:38 pm
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?

These are the folks instrumental in exiling Jack. They are my town team. Either of them not joining the wagon would have made traction on exiling scum way harder.
So, what are your thoughts on gkrieg's claim?

I believe him. Or at least I think itís in our best interest to proceed as if what he is saying is true. If itís not, we find out soon enough.

Shraeye, here's the answer you wanted. Yesterday.

What now?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2022, 12:26:30 pm
Ugh. I need to stop being stubborn and fragile.

I don't think the SK antagonizes someone like that. The SK follows along.

Vote: EFHW
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 28, 2022, 12:30:46 pm
And I don't think ther SK responds like you did in your previous post, Didds. So between the 3 current options today, I was leaning toward Shraeye... but now that you just switched off that wagon... I'd lean MiX over EFHW. Though right now, I don't see any solid reason not to vote any of the 3 of them.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2022, 12:33:08 pm
That's my list, too, mathdude.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 12:36:04 pm
Iím firmly on team Eddie/Joth now!

Why is Eddie/Joth a team? What made you want to join it?

These are the folks instrumental in exiling Jack. They are my town team. Either of them not joining the wagon would have made traction on exiling scum way harder.
So, what are your thoughts on gkrieg's claim?

I believe him. Or at least I think itís in our best interest to proceed as if what he is saying is true. If itís not, we find out soon enough.

Shraeye, here's the answer you wanted. Yesterday.

What now?
That wasn't what I was waiting for. See joth/shraeye/Didds combo

D1 his comments were snide and about my stunning lack of ability to build a case on someone despite me finding scum.
Today he is taking me to task for things that others think or have responded to.
He seems convinced that I am a baddie in a stubborn sort of way, so it all seems rather pointless.
Let's go line-by-line:
Disagree on tone, content, and relevance of consequence.
Disagree on magnitude and cause.
Disagree on my mindset and the futility of words.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 12:36:44 pm
I don't get why EFHW is on the list...disagree with that take.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 12:43:02 pm
Last post aimed at mathdude.

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2022, 12:59:04 pm
D1 his comments were snide and about my stunning lack of ability to build a case on someone despite me finding scum.
Today he is taking me to task for things that others think or have responded to.
He seems convinced that I am a baddie in a stubborn sort of way, so it all seems rather pointless.
Let's go line-by-line:
Disagree on tone, content, and relevance of consequence.
Disagree on magnitude and cause.
Disagree on my mindset and the futility of words.

Off your number one: this is snide. It may not be relevant to you, but it is to me and I get to determine my own consequences.

I think Didds level of heing and hawing has been much higher, also has been put on display on a awkward way....feels performative.

And if Didds is borrowing the metric of scumShraeye is shraeye-lite, it really feels like this is didds-lite.  I was thinking about that before Didds came in with her analysis on her wagon.
Hmmm....  I was looking at the people voting for me...
And wow. The amount of effort/substance staggered me.


#2: magnitude and cause- your cause is unknown to me. Magnitude is that I have you been your sole focus since mid-way through D1, and all of today.

#3: mindset and futility of words. I think Joth summarized well. We disagree on what an SK would think. I have no experience being an SK so I am just guessing. You decide the way that I think about is wrong and therefore scummy, so it really doesn't matter what I say.  I will agree that I don't know your mindset, but but can be surmised based on these posts.


This really doesn't compute. If Eddie/Joth are the folks most instrumental in exiling Jack, you can be HAPPY with their actions (I am) but in terms of whether their actions make them GoodPeople...their actions really just means "They are very much not Jack's partner."  Which means they are either SK or Town, each having equal incentive/happiness at exiling a Goon on Day1.

The only world where Jack's partner is somehow still alive is when it is gkreig going crrrrazy with a gambit.  So, you're saying "I am sure Eddie/joth are on my team because they are not Jack's partner....really doesn't compute with the statements you made here"

shraeye do you suspect Didds of being the SK, or are you just telling her she's wrong?


Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 01:12:14 pm
D1 his comments were snide and about my stunning lack of ability to build a case on someone despite me finding scum.
Today he is taking me to task for things that others think or have responded to.
He seems convinced that I am a baddie in a stubborn sort of way, so it all seems rather pointless.
Let's go line-by-line:
Disagree on tone, content, and relevance of consequence.
Disagree on magnitude and cause.
Disagree on my mindset and the futility of words.

Off your number one: this is snide. It may not be relevant to you, but it is to me and I get to determine my own consequences.
The fact that we exiled a scum does not override your lack of cases.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 01:18:10 pm
Vote: mathdude
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 01:19:18 pm
I donít have cases either, shraeye.

Am I the SK?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 28, 2022, 01:19:33 pm
Also, today is my anniversary so hooray for debatepro and me! :)

Congratulations! Thatís awesome
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 28, 2022, 01:20:29 pm
Vote: mathdude Iím feeling heís the most likely SK.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 01:26:08 pm
unvote

I donít have cases either, shraeye.

Am I the SK?
I never said that no cases was the SK-way. The issue came up D1, where Didds made a post that seemed wagon-analysis-ish but had much less content than, forexample, joth's similar post.

In Didd's rebuttal of my general suspicion, she said "despite me finding scum" which indicates a mitigating factor to what came before...so now my current issue is that finding scum doesn't mitigate her previous posts.

On another note:
ARE you the SK??
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 02:06:02 pm
Iíll never tell.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 28, 2022, 02:35:33 pm
unvote. I didn't realize that in not responding Didds was reacting from the position of irkedness. I know joth asked the question, but I thought she'd want to find out why Shraeye meant to imply before voting.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 28, 2022, 02:36:06 pm
unvote. I didn't realize that in not responding Didds was reacting from the position of irkedness. I know joth asked the question, but I thought she'd want to find out why what Shraeye meant to imply before voting.
EBWOP
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2022, 03:49:48 pm
I donít have cases either, shraeye.

Am I the SK?

I certainly haven't ruled it out.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2022, 03:51:26 pm
my instinct is that Didds's defensiveness here is scummy, but I think I've thought that before with her and its turned out to be genuine towny frustration.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2022, 03:59:28 pm
so I reject my instinct
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2022, 04:41:00 pm
ďIrkednessĒ is a great word!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 28, 2022, 05:02:20 pm
I don't get why EFHW is on the list...disagree with that take.

Mostly just from sheeping Didds. Also, as I said in a previous post, nothing done that overtly says "I'm town, not SK".
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 28, 2022, 05:05:57 pm
Vote: mathdude Iím feeling heís the most likely SK.

Most likely based on what flawed logic?

Of anyone we have no info on, each is equally likely. It's only you, with a claimed cannibal role, who we have anything to go on other than gut feel.

And so, I pick a town core... not necessarily ride-or-die, but I'm choosing to trust your claim today, and I'm trusting Didds.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2022, 05:06:27 pm
Iíll never tell.

Are you scum?

Right now the only person I can actually townread is joth. Oh and gkrieg.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 05:22:44 pm
Iíll never tell.

Are you scum?

Right now the only person I can actually townread is joth. Oh and gkrieg.

You could townread me if you just beleieved.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 05:23:09 pm
Believed*
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 05:24:33 pm
Itís interesting how everyone is talking about how they canít townread that many people, but mathdude is talking about how he canít scumread that many people.

HmmmÖ
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 28, 2022, 05:26:54 pm
Vote: mathdude Iím feeling heís the most likely SK.

Most likely based on what flawed logic?

Why are you sure that his logic is flawed?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 28, 2022, 08:40:44 pm
Vote: mathdude Iím feeling heís the most likely SK.

Most likely based on what flawed logic?

Why are you sure that his logic is flawed?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but I'll answer anyway. I mean, I know my role and I'm not SK. So I know I'm not most likely to be it. So his logic is flawed.

There are exactly 2 players in this game who know it's not me - they are me and the actual SK. For all others still alive, the best argument gou can use is "gut feel". And if you feel that, you're wrong.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 28, 2022, 08:52:42 pm
Well, Iím not wrong that my gut is telling me itís you.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2022, 01:51:37 am
Vote Count 2.3
Hippos are the third largest mammal on Earth!
mathdude (2) : eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895448#msg895448), gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895451#msg895451)
MiX (1) : joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895299#msg895299)
Shraeye (1) : MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895289#msg895289)
EFHW (1) : WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895438#msg895438)
 
Not voting (3) : EFHW, mathdude, Shraeye
 
Currently, mathdude is set to be exiled! With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 ends July 31, 2022, 03:10:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895217#msg895217)
eddie→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895227#msg895227)
eddie→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895278#msg895278)
MiX→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895289#msg895289)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895299#msg895299)
WCD→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895426#msg895426)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895430#msg895430)
EFHW→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895433#msg895433)
WCD→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895438#msg895438)
eddie→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895448#msg895448)
gkrieg→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895451#msg895451)
Shraeye→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895452#msg895452)
EFHW→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895457#msg895457)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 29, 2022, 03:28:12 am
As a math dude, you should know that
Conclusion is wrong =/=> logic is flawed
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 29, 2022, 05:33:08 am
ďIrkednessĒ is a great word!
Thanks! You're still voting me. Is that intentional?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 29, 2022, 06:29:05 am
As a math dude, you should know that
Conclusion is wrong =/=> logic is flawed

It was more a comment about grammar than logic. The claim could have been "I have a gut feel" or "I think he's most likely" - an opinion or a read. But he went all MiX-style, saying a definitive statement that I'm most likely, as if there were actual logic behind it.

Anyway, this has been a pointless distraction of a conversation. Let's move on.

MiX, you seem to have been quieter than usual. Trying not to slip in your words?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2022, 08:34:32 am
I've ran out of useful things to say.

Shraeye/math/Didds is fine for me.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 29, 2022, 08:55:09 am
As a math dude, you should know that
Conclusion is wrong =/=> logic is flawed
It was more a comment about grammar than logic. The claim could have been "I have a gut feel" or "I think he's most likely" - an opinion or a read. But he went all MiX-style, saying a definitive statement that I'm most likely, as if there were actual logic behind it.

Anyway, this has been a pointless distraction of a conversation. Let's move on.
No distractions are pointless; everything is now.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2022, 09:45:00 am
I'll begrudgingly move my vote, but if MiX does turn out to be SK I would like a cookie. With chocolate chips.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 29, 2022, 10:21:31 am
Ugh. I need to stop being stubborn and fragile.

I don't think the SK antagonizes someone like that. The SK follows along.

Shraeye following along would be weird and a red flag.

I'm ok with math/Shraeye/MiX.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2022, 10:23:20 am
I'll begrudgingly move my vote, but if MiX does turn out to be SK I would like a cookie. With chocolate chips.

Fine, I'll give you one then.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 29, 2022, 10:43:38 am
My read on mathdude is just that he has been significantly under the radar for his usual style D1. Like no one butted heads with him at all, even faust.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 29, 2022, 10:44:30 am
Also pretty unavailable today.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2022, 10:56:31 am
I'll begrudgingly move my vote, but if MiX does turn out to be SK I would like a cookie. With chocolate chips.

Fine, I'll give you one then.

Is this a straight up SK claim? I said I wanted a cookie if he was SK, he says he'll give me a cookie, ergo, he's SK. Wow, what a colossal scumslip.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2022, 10:58:24 am
I'll begrudgingly move my vote, but if MiX does turn out to be SK I would like a cookie. With chocolate chips.

Fine, I'll give you one then.

Is this a straight up SK claim? I said I wanted a cookie if he was SK, he says he'll give me a cookie, ergo, he's SK. Wow, what a colossal scumslip.

No.

My read on mathdude is just that he has been significantly under the radar for his usual style D1. Like no one butted heads with him at all, even faust.

I can do you one better: Jimmmmm was kinda against the idea that math was town. So. Yeah.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2022, 11:00:23 am
I'll begrudgingly move my vote, but if MiX does turn out to be SK I would like a cookie. With chocolate chips.

Fine, I'll give you one then.

Is this a straight up SK claim? I said I wanted a cookie if he was SK, he says he'll give me a cookie, ergo, he's SK. Wow, what a colossal scumslip.

No.

To clarify, "then" means "when I'm revealed to be SK". It doesn't mean "after all" or something. I feel like "then" can have 2 meanings there.

Why am I posting to clarify this? Why not?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2022, 11:10:08 am

To clarify, "then" means "when I'm revealed to be SK". It doesn't mean "after all" or something. I feel like "then" can have 2 meanings there.

Interesting. I would have used "if" there.

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2022, 11:12:05 am

To clarify, "then" means "when I'm revealed to be SK". It doesn't mean "after all" or something. I feel like "then" can have 2 meanings there.

Interesting. I would have used "if" there.

Vote: MiX

Kill me.

If is stupid. Because I'm not the SK. When is a much better word.

Now get your vote off me or I will only speak portuguese for the rest of this day.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2022, 12:36:04 pm
Who uses "when" for a counterfactual they know for a fact will never happen?

Didds, you're a linguist/comms professor, back me up here.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 29, 2022, 01:54:35 pm
My read on mathdude is just that he has been significantly under the radar for his usual style D1. Like no one butted heads with him at all, even faust.
Go look at my post history on this forum. I had been completely absent for months, and was only checking once a week or so, to see if this game would ever start up. I missed a few days in RVS because I had to get back in the habit of checking regularly.
Also, you always find a way to scum-read me, so your opinion doesn't really matter.

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2022, 01:59:13 pm
Who uses "when" for a counterfactual they know for a fact will never happen?

Didds, you're a linguist/comms professor, back me up here.

When it looks much cooler. There's no if. I already know if it can happen anyway.

My read on mathdude is just that he has been significantly under the radar for his usual style D1. Like no one butted heads with him at all, even faust.
Go look at my post history on this forum. I had been completely absent for months, and was only checking once a week or so, to see if this game would ever start up. I missed a few days in RVS because I had to get back in the habit of checking regularly.
Also, you always find a way to scum-read me, so your opinion doesn't really matter.

Vote: MiX

Vote: math
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 29, 2022, 02:46:41 pm
Who uses "when" for a counterfactual they know for a fact will never happen?

Didds, you're a linguist/comms professor, back me up here.

When it looks much cooler. There's no if. I already know if it can happen anyway.

My read on mathdude is just that he has been significantly under the radar for his usual style D1. Like no one butted heads with him at all, even faust.
Go look at my post history on this forum. I had been completely absent for months, and was only checking once a week or so, to see if this game would ever start up. I missed a few days in RVS because I had to get back in the habit of checking regularly.
Also, you always find a way to scum-read me, so your opinion doesn't really matter.

Vote: MiX

Vote: math

So that's X-2? I'd really rather not claim. There should be at least a few of you out there already who have picked up on things. MiX, I'm surprised you haven't. or was that purely OMGUS? Being the 3rd and putting at X-2 is not a good idea.

If anyone puts me at X-1 before we figure out if I should claim or we should just start putting votes somewhere else more reasonable... such a person is likely the non-town we are looking to find. We're about 48 hours to deadline now, I believe, so there is time to figure this out.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 29, 2022, 03:14:28 pm
My read on mathdude is just that he has been significantly under the radar for his usual style D1. Like no one butted heads with him at all, even faust.

I can do you one better: Jimmmmm was kinda against the idea that math was town. So. Yeah.
To what degree?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2022, 05:24:06 pm
Hey yíall- Iím with friends and not at all caught up.

Weíre choosing between MiX and math? Really?

I love the threat that MiX will only speak Portuguese. Thatís hilarious because his English is a bajillion times better than any of my other languages.

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 29, 2022, 05:30:05 pm
Hey yíall- Iím with friends and not at all caught up.

Weíre choosing between MiX and math? Really?

I love the threat that MiX will only speak Portuguese. Thatís hilarious because his English is a bajillion times better than any of my other languages.

No, we are not choosing between MiX and math. We're choosing between MiX and "if not MiX, then we need time to figure out who".
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 29, 2022, 06:17:32 pm
Vote: MiX

I guess.

Not for the if/when thing.

Thatís dumb.

For the other stuff.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2022, 06:49:06 pm
...
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2022, 07:51:48 pm
Who uses "when" for a counterfactual they know for a fact will never happen?

Didds, you're a linguist/comms professor, back me up here.

But English isnít his first language. Iím not sure we can read deep into specific word meaning, in this case.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2022, 10:02:13 pm
MiX, are you voting for math because you think heís the SK or self-Pres?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2022, 11:27:08 pm
I sort of forgot MiXís first language wasnít English.

Now I feel like a jackass.

Anyway unvote for now.

Someone said that we should look at D1 to see who might have wanted to kill Jimmmm since heís the SK target if gkrieg is telling the truth. So Iím gonna look into that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2022, 11:46:16 pm
Vote Count 2.4
Hippo's hate the end of days. because that when shit goes down. and hippos just want to be hippos. proven fact.
mathdude (2) : gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895451#msg895451), MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895515#msg895515)
MiX (2) : mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895512#msg895512), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895524#msg895524)
EFHW (1) : WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895438#msg895438)
 
Not voting (3) : EFHW, joth, Shraeye
 
Currently, mathdude is set to be exiled! With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 ends July 31, 2022, 03:10:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895217#msg895217)
eddie→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895227#msg895227)
eddie→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895278#msg895278)
MiX→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895289#msg895289)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895299#msg895299)
WCD→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895426#msg895426)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895430#msg895430)
EFHW→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895433#msg895433)
WCD→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895438#msg895438)
eddie→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895448#msg895448)
gkrieg→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895451#msg895451)
Shraeye→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895452#msg895452)
EFHW→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895457#msg895457)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895504#msg895504)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895512#msg895512)
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895515#msg895515)
eddie→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895524#msg895524)
joth→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895532#msg895532)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 30, 2022, 04:01:59 am
MiX, are you voting for math because you think heís the SK or self-Pres?

Both, but he did say something that makes me reconsider. I kinda hate going back to shraeye because I think I'm only scumreading him for being shraeye. So...I don't know.

Thanks for the unvote joth.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 30, 2022, 08:53:50 am
Iím included to sheep gkrieg, but Iím going to think about mathdude some more today before I do that since no one seems interested in EFHW.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 30, 2022, 09:58:35 am
We can't afford a last minute wagon on me. If Didds is still considering then I'm thinking I will need to claim? Looking for 1 or 2 to confirm.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 30, 2022, 10:11:22 am
MiX, are you voting for math because you think heís the SK or self-Pres?

Both, but he did say something that makes me reconsider. I kinda hate going back to shraeye because I think I'm only scumreading him for being shraeye. So...I don't know.

Thanks for the unvote joth.

Why the reconsider?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 30, 2022, 10:25:12 am
MiX, are you voting for math because you think heís the SK or self-Pres?

Both, but he did say something that makes me reconsider. I kinda hate going back to shraeye because I think I'm only scumreading him for being shraeye. So...I don't know.

Thanks for the unvote joth.

Why the reconsider?

The PR claim, basically.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 30, 2022, 12:14:42 pm
Iím included to sheep gkrieg, but Iím going to think about mathdude some more today before I do that since no one seems interested in EFHW.
Agree, not interested in EFHW
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 30, 2022, 05:20:03 pm
MiX, are you voting for math because you think heís the SK or self-Pres?

Both, but he did say something that makes me reconsider. I kinda hate going back to shraeye because I think I'm only scumreading him for being shraeye. So...I don't know.

Thanks for the unvote joth.

Why the reconsider?

The PR claim, basically.

Got it. Shraye then? Or am I still on your list?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 30, 2022, 05:21:49 pm
We are now less than 24 hours to deadline.

Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 30, 2022, 05:26:34 pm
I think we have to skip shraeye, EFHW, mathdude, Joth, gkrieg, and myself today.

SoooooÖ

MiX or WCD?

(Or meÖ)

(Or Joth?)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on July 30, 2022, 07:39:15 pm
Iím good to vote for shraeye, or really just about anyone. I havenít been able to really reread D1 to get any concrete stuff to base reads off of. Im less inclined to exile math based on the lack of people jumping on him after he softclaimed.

Vote: shraeye
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 30, 2022, 08:59:04 pm
I think we have to skip shraeye, EFHW, mathdude, Joth, gkrieg, and myself today.

SoooooÖ

MiX or WCD?

(Or meÖ)

(Or Joth?)

Why skip Shraeye - that seems to be the next best consensus? And while we're at it, why skip joth and you? I get skipping EFHW if there's hesitation by a few people. I get the others on your list.

WCD is not scum or SK.

There's 1 other person out there who may have useful info... but if they aren't under pressure, then it's likely worth holding their info and identity for at least 1 more day.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 30, 2022, 09:27:41 pm
I'll try vote: shraeye
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 30, 2022, 10:32:00 pm
vote: Shraeye
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 30, 2022, 10:38:20 pm
vote: Shraeye
Huh, I was just about to say Mix is good. 

And then people said Shraeye or Mix.

Which is what joth said a large handfull of hours ago.  So full circle.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 30, 2022, 10:38:34 pm
Vote: Mix
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 30, 2022, 11:30:33 pm

Vote: Shraeye
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 31, 2022, 02:40:56 am
Granted, Shraeye is the guy that seems to bamboozle me more than most on here, but Iíd be shocked if heís bad.

I dunno.

Iíd vote for EFHW leagues before shraeye, but shraeye doesnít want me to.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2022, 04:34:14 am
Unvote
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 31, 2022, 08:09:35 am
Granted, Shraeye is the guy that seems to bamboozle me more than most on here, but Iíd be shocked if heís bad.

I dunno.

Iíd vote for EFHW leagues before shraeye, but shraeye doesnít want me to.

Iím following gkrieg, and no one at all seems interested in EFHW. Iím not sure why gkrieg prefers Shraeye over MiX. Mathdude has cleared me, so we need to POE this thing out.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2022, 08:33:01 am
Actually ISOing people now!

The only thing I could ever possibly scumread shraeye for this game is being wrong about Didds. Otherwise he's been shraeye the whole way.

So, why do people scumread them? I'm not asking why you're voting shraeye (it's EoD so that's whatever), just, if you have a scumread, why is that?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2022, 08:45:54 am
This is unfortunate.

Weíll be able to kill scum tomorrow, though.

Right?

Probably?

Anyway. Iím going to sleep. Might not wake up until after deadline.

Best of luck, folks.

This is the second time Eddie said this and he didn't answer my question about the first time. Then goes to sleep without changing his vote despite implying strongly that he thinks Jack is town. What's the message here?

Eddie, this is left over from Day 1. Can you respond?

Science.

Is that really the end of this conversation...?

I kinda want uncle to be SK so I can OMGUS without negative consequences, but I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary. I mean, other than the quoted post. But when your meta is not explaining your reads...

Now I would reread joth, but I'm out of time. I might be here during deadline, or not.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2022, 08:49:34 am
Vote Count 3.MiX (linkless)

MiX (3) : mathdude, eddie, shraeye
shraeye (4): gkrieg, joth, EFHW, WCD
 
Not voting (1) : MiX

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 ends July 31, 2022, 03:10:00 pm your time.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Geez, so if I voted shraeye I would hammer? Wow. Guess I'm not voting yet then.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 31, 2022, 09:06:32 am
MIX, Shraeye, and EFHWÖ

Okay, so if Gkrieg, Math, and WCD are all off the table (assuming weíre believing gkrieg and math, obvi)Ö

Among whoís left, whose the SK?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 31, 2022, 09:07:11 am
Unvote
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on July 31, 2022, 10:48:39 am
Shraeye has been a bit aggressive,  and I seem to remember him doing that as scum back in the old days. Kind of like what happened to Didds. I suspected him and his response really stung. Something about Batman.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 31, 2022, 11:26:08 am
MIX, Shraeye, and EFHWÖ

Okay, so if Gkrieg, Math, and WCD are all off the table (assuming weíre believing gkrieg and math, obvi)Ö

Among whoís left, whose the SK?

Well, joth and eddie are the only other 2. Joth is good at staying off all our radars. Eddie is just eddie - I find him hard to read.

Tomorrow, we will hopefully have enough info to sort this whole thing out. At this point, there's a lot of gut feel still.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 31, 2022, 12:56:52 pm
This is unfortunate.

Weíll be able to kill scum tomorrow, though.

Right?

Probably?

Anyway. Iím going to sleep. Might not wake up until after deadline.

Best of luck, folks.

This is the second time Eddie said this and he didn't answer my question about the first time. Then goes to sleep without changing his vote despite implying strongly that he thinks Jack is town. What's the message here?

Eddie, this is left over from Day 1. Can you respond?

Science.

Is that really the end of this conversation...?

I kinda want uncle to be SK so I can OMGUS without negative consequences, but I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary. I mean, other than the quoted post. But when your meta is not explaining your reads...

Now I would reread joth, but I'm out of time. I might be here during deadline, or not.

Any conclusions?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 31, 2022, 12:57:10 pm
We have 2ish hours
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on July 31, 2022, 03:26:18 pm
Shouldnít deadline have happened by now?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2022, 03:53:33 pm
Ooooh, rand!

Tell my past self to hammer shraeye.

Vote: shraeye just in case.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 31, 2022, 05:15:51 pm
Well, in the absence of a lock-post, we might as well talk in twilight. I do suspect the SK will likely target a known PR - either gk if he's telling the truth about being a Vig, or me (and I've intentionally not said which of the other 2 roles I am), rather than gambling at finding the final PR.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 31, 2022, 05:20:44 pm
Either me or the other PR have a direct ability to find the other cannibal... and the other of us has an indirect ability (if the expected number of night kills doesn't happen, one possible explanation is RB... and alternatively if the expected number of kills happens, then the RB effectively confirms another non-killer townie). Also, Vig has the ability to win the game if they find the final killer.

... of course, all this assumes the game isn't over already. That would be quite the win!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 31, 2022, 06:20:08 pm
Sorry about that, although it doesnít look like I missed anything. I thought the airplane would have WiFi, but alas, no.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 31, 2022, 09:03:00 pm
It's the lack of interest at deadlines due to us not playing for a while, the plurality exile, the weekend deadline, or something else?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 31, 2022, 09:22:31 pm
It's the lack of interest at deadlines due to us not playing for a while, the plurality exile, the weekend deadline, or something else?

My guess is plurality is the problem
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 31, 2022, 09:24:05 pm
I like the plurality exile. But y'all (minus 1-2 players) are going to be disappointed with today's flip.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 31, 2022, 09:25:50 pm
Do remember that after a lot of bluster, it all came down to MiX/shraeye. I found that odd. 

Shraeye's hot/cold takes: gkrieg is believable in his claim. mathdude is not as believable.  EFHW is least likely of the non-claimers to be SK.  Didds is unlikely as well.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 31, 2022, 09:27:10 pm
So, joth/eddie/MiX...

MiX is the most likely.  No idea where joth/eddie lie; they were hard to read this game.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 31, 2022, 09:47:25 pm
Honestly, mathdude might be 2nd most suspicious.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 31, 2022, 09:59:00 pm
If it helps, Iím a good guy.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on July 31, 2022, 11:18:58 pm
If it helps, Iím a good guy.

Oh, thanks. That helps so much! [/sarcasm]

I can't speak for others, but I know it doesn't give me any reassurance. You are one of my possible targets tonight... I'm still debating between you and a couple others. It's a combination of wanting to maximize the chance of finding non-town, between picking the most scummy and trying to not double up on what other PRs might pick... while also not coordinating targets in thread, so the SK can't plan around it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on July 31, 2022, 11:28:22 pm
If it helps, Iím a good guy.

Oh, thanks. That helps so much! [/sarcasm]

I can't speak for others, but I know it doesn't give me any reassurance. You are one of my possible targets tonight... I'm still debating between you and a couple others. It's a combination of wanting to maximize the chance of finding non-town, between picking the most scummy and trying to not double up on what other PRs might pick... while also not coordinating targets in thread, so the SK can't plan around it.
Still suspicious. Probably more so.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on July 31, 2022, 11:53:46 pm
You will probably be less suspicious tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on August 01, 2022, 12:32:45 am
I'm sure I will, yes
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on August 01, 2022, 01:15:23 am
Thread Locked!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on August 01, 2022, 01:23:55 am
Vote Count 2.Final
Hippos can kill effing everything! Like in one bite! It's nuts!
Shraeye (3) : gkrieg (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895566#msg895566), joth (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895570#msg895570), EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895571#msg895571)
MiX (3) : mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895512#msg895512), eddie (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895524#msg895524), Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895573#msg895573)
 
Not voting (2) : MiX, WCD
 
Currently, Shraeye is set to be exiled! With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 2 ends July 31, 2022, 03:10:00 pm your time.
 
Votes:

eddie→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895217#msg895217)
eddie→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895227#msg895227)
eddie→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895278#msg895278)
MiX→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895289#msg895289)
joth→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895299#msg895299)
WCD→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895426#msg895426)
Shraeye→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895430#msg895430)
EFHW→WCD (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895433#msg895433)
WCD→EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895438#msg895438)
eddie→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895448#msg895448)
gkrieg→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895451#msg895451)
Shraeye→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895452#msg895452)
EFHW→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895457#msg895457)
mathdude→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895512#msg895512)
MiX→mathdude (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895515#msg895515)
eddie→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895524#msg895524)
joth→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895532#msg895532)
gkrieg→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895566#msg895566)
joth→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895570#msg895570)
EFHW→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895571#msg895571)
Shraeye→MiX (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895573#msg895573)
WCD→Shraeye (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895574#msg895574)
MiX→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895577#msg895577)
WCD→unvote (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21158.msg895590#msg895590)


Shraeye has been EXILED!
They were Vanilla Town!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on August 01, 2022, 01:24:30 am
Night 2 Starts now and ends in 48 hours.
Night actions due in Discord within the next 36 hours!

EDIT:

Timeline is the same, but to be clear:

Night starts at 1:30am August 1st Forum Time. Night ends 1:30am August 3rd Forum Time.
Night Actions are due by 1:30pm August 2nd Forum Time.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on August 03, 2022, 02:25:47 am
Math dude has died at night!

Proper shit coming later. Day 3 starts now and ends in 7 days.

Thread unlocked!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on August 03, 2022, 03:25:57 am
And now we wait for gkrieg.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 03, 2022, 07:06:35 am
I shot EFHW, who did not die.

Vote: EFHW
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on August 03, 2022, 08:09:53 am
So is there any way this isn't just game over?

gkrieg is either the vig or the SK. We vote EFHW, then we either win or vote gkrieg.

Obviously if the roleblocker blocked gkrieg for some reason they should claim. And also explain why they did that.

We could do a mass claim just for fun, but I can't see any way, other than an absolutely mad roleblocker, that the SK isn't either EFHW or gkrieg. And the lack of a third kill just confirms gkrieg's story even more.

Sort of boring but vote: EFHW
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on August 03, 2022, 08:28:37 am
Why wouldn't the SK just kill gkrieg though? Do they think they need the extra kills from the vig missing to win at this point?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on August 03, 2022, 09:13:36 am
Good morning! Iíll wait to vote until everyone is around since it would be E-1.

Iím going to Chile tomorrow. Anyone know anything awesome to do in Santiago??
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on August 03, 2022, 09:21:35 am
Why wouldn't the SK just kill gkrieg though? Do they think they need the extra kills from the vig missing to win at this point?

I think so. If gkrieg comes back dead today, and math has cleared someone else, then the other PR claims, weíd have 3 or 4 confirmed town and it would be tough to wiggle. But with math dead, we get no more info from him and now itís just an argument about if gkrieg is lying or not. Or if the fear was that math checked her, a guilty result would been game over. Better odds there than the POE on the other scenario, right? And she wouldnít have known sheíd have been gkriegís target when she decided.

That all works, right? (I havenít had coffee yet!)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on August 03, 2022, 09:26:48 am
Such a globetrotter Didds! Do you think the stars will ever align that we'll meet in person?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on August 03, 2022, 09:48:25 am
Such a globetrotter Didds! Do you think the stars will ever align that we'll meet in person?

For sure! Just gimme timeÖ it helps that you live in a delicious city.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on August 03, 2022, 10:18:12 am
Why wouldn't the SK just kill gkrieg though? Do they think they need the extra kills from the vig missing to win at this point?

I think so. If gkrieg comes back dead today, and math has cleared someone else, then the other PR claims, weíd have 3 or 4 confirmed town and it would be tough to wiggle. But with math dead, we get no more info from him and now itís just an argument about if gkrieg is lying or not. Or if the fear was that math checked her, a guilty result would been game over. Better odds there than the POE on the other scenario, right? And she wouldnít have known sheíd have been gkriegís target when she decided.

That all works, right? (I havenít had coffee yet!)

I feel so understood!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on August 03, 2022, 10:41:06 am
Vote: EFHW

Good job gkrieg. 2 shots, 2 scum. Flawless.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Uncleeurope on August 03, 2022, 10:52:36 am
I thought shraeye mighta been Weird Cop.

That was the only thing stopping me from

Vote: EFHW

Yesterday.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on August 03, 2022, 12:04:24 pm
Why wouldn't the SK just kill gkrieg though? Do they think they need the extra kills from the vig missing to win at this point?

I think so. If gkrieg comes back dead today, and math has cleared someone else, then the other PR claims, weíd have 3 or 4 confirmed town and it would be tough to wiggle. But with math dead, we get no more info from him and now itís just an argument about if gkrieg is lying or not. Or if the fear was that math checked her, a guilty result would been game over. Better odds there than the POE on the other scenario, right? And she wouldnít have known sheíd have been gkriegís target when she decided.

That all works, right? (I havenít had coffee yet!)

I feel so understood!

:)
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on August 03, 2022, 12:06:06 pm
Shraeye was so super anti-EFHW that it was strange.

Gkrieg, you have been awesome! And mid-move. Seriously impressive!

Vote: EFHW
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on August 03, 2022, 05:30:24 pm
Vote Count 3.Final

EFHW (5): GK, Joth, MiX, Eddie, WCD
Not voting (1) : EFHW
 
With 6 Alive it took 4 to exile.

EFHW has been Exiled.

They were the Serial Killer!

Game Over. Town WINS!

THREAD UNLOCKED
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on August 03, 2022, 05:30:44 pm
sorry all that went crazy not as I saw it going, way too short!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: scolapasta on August 03, 2022, 05:42:22 pm
Definitely a crazy one for my first co-modding experience! :)

Interesting to be on the sidelines and know everything and watch it all fall apart for scum so quickly.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: mathdude on August 03, 2022, 05:52:19 pm
Speccy link? As short as it might be.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on August 03, 2022, 06:34:38 pm
It's even shorter than you'd imagine
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: WestCoastDidds on August 03, 2022, 09:36:13 pm
That was fun! Thank you Swowl and Scola for making it happen.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 03, 2022, 10:04:17 pm
That was a fun game! Sorry I wasnít around more.

I was fairly confident in my first shot. The second shot was more because EFHW has a strong scum game in general, and is generally difficult to exile. Definitely got a bit lucky.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on August 04, 2022, 07:01:37 am
That was a nearly perfect town game, which you don't see often.

Who was the cop? Who was the roleblocker?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: faust on August 04, 2022, 07:25:13 am
I will use this game as an example of how important Day 1 is for years to come.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on August 04, 2022, 07:50:15 am
Great game, thanks Swowl!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on August 04, 2022, 07:50:57 am
That was a nearly perfect town game, which you don't see often.

Who was the cop? Who was the roleblocker?

Math was cop, Jimmmmm was RB.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on August 04, 2022, 07:54:25 am
It was interesting how the protections I had were also very dangerous to me. I would have preferred to spend a lot longer looking for mafia, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on August 04, 2022, 09:03:59 am
oh wow. So EFHW correctly ID'd and killed two town PRs -- just as good a hit rate as gkrieg. Just rough luck for you!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: jotheonah on August 04, 2022, 09:05:17 am
EFHW, if we had mass claimed Day 2 what would you have claimed?
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on August 04, 2022, 09:30:18 am
EFHW, if we had mass claimed Day 2 what would you have claimed?

Probably role blocker. It wouldn't have been a lot of protection given the lack of flips, but it would complicate things a bit, might give me an extra day.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on August 04, 2022, 09:31:28 am
Eddie was right all along - I WAS a body snatcher!
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2022, 10:02:42 am
Nice, so I did scumread both PRs. All is right in the world.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: shraeye on August 04, 2022, 12:05:05 pm
I'll chalk my absurdly faulty radar up to rust...yeah...that's it.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 04, 2022, 12:08:06 pm
EFHW, if we had mass claimed Day 2 what would you have claimed?

Probably role blocker. It wouldn't have been a lot of protection given the lack of flips, but it would complicate things a bit, might give me an extra day.

Cop would have been pretty hard to claim, given the clearing you would have had to do for people.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: gkrieg13 on August 04, 2022, 12:08:45 pm
I will use this game as an example of how important Day 1 is for years to come.

I mean, it's basically the only day you ever seem to get.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: EFHW on August 04, 2022, 05:51:36 pm
EFHW, if we had mass claimed Day 2 what would you have claimed?

Probably role blocker. It wouldn't have been a lot of protection given the lack of flips, but it would complicate things a bit, might give me an extra day.

Cop would have been pretty hard to claim, given the clearing you would have had to do for people.

Yeah, don't want to create IC's. But Day 2 I couldn't have anyway. Jimmmmm's was the only safe PR to claim.
Title: Re: Mafia 138 - Hungry Hungry Hippo Mafia - Day 1 has Started!
Post by: Swowl on August 08, 2022, 12:11:30 am
yo - play mo mafia

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=21385.new#new


game open only 10 slots.