You win when there have been 2 Days and Nights in a row without someone being removed from the game and there is at least one Town-aligned player left alive, or when Town is the biggest faction in the game when the game ends. You earn 5 points from winning.
President
Executive order. After the Admiral's choice, receive 2 cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to enact within the first 48 hours of receiving them. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be enacted. Orders are executed instantaneously when you submit the order. If the Day ends before you submit an order, there will be no order executed that Day.
Admiral.
Preselect order. At the start of each Day, draw 3 cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to discard within the first 48 hours of receiving them. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be discarded. The remaining orders are passed to the President
Select successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.
Quote Special Counsel | Quote Course to Earth | Quote Isolate Colonial One |
Quote Insurrection | Quote Course to Kobol | Quote Military police force |
Quote Civilian jurisdiction | Quote Curfew | Quote Presidential pardon |
Quote Prioritize | Quote Vigil |
I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.
I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.
To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?
I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).
I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.
To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?
I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).
I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.
To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?
I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).
Hi hi hi hi hi!
It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!
Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons
What is cylons??? And they vote?
Good to be back!
I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.
So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?
Hi hi hi hi hi!
It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!
Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons
What is cylons??? And they vote?
I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.
So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?
How kind of you
I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information
I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.
So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?
How kind of you
What percentage of sarcasm is this post at?
Vote Count 1.1
Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.
Request vote count too.I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information
Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.
Request vote count too.I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information
Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.
To be fair, the people who were pressing you the hardest on stuff last game were either scum or strongly believed you to be scum, so don't act like you were being singled out unfairly lol.
Vote: mathdude
Vote: mathdude
That's an interesting vote
Vote: mathdude
That's an interesting vote
In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?
Executive orders that are enacted remain activated (and thus not in the deck or discard) until they no longer have an effect, at which point they are discarded.
QuoteInsurrection
When the President draws this, they activate it and draw a new card. Discard this at the end of the Day. The third time an Insurrection is drawn, the current President has 72 hours to Step down. If they don't, trigger a turning point.
- the executive order deck and discard pile combined contain 3 or fewer cards at the end of a Day
I did not read all of game one. I did skim it. I'm not sure how useful I will be on day 1, both because of my powers and because this game is so complex I need a little time to get the lay of the land.
I'm going to start off with vote: MiX because I have a problem with authority.
And I'm trying to bury the hatchet with ashersky after tunneling him hard in Memento Mafia.
Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not toOh my god, you suck. Vote: A Drowned Kernel :D
Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not toOh my god, you suck. Vote: A Drowned Kernel :D
Just because I am the President doesn't mean I'm a corrupt politician.
Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?
OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.
So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?
Cool. Cool.
OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.
Vote: mathdude
That's an interesting vote
In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?
He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.
So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?
Cool. Cool.
I think Glooble has the same feelings as me coming in to this after the first game. I feel like it is likelier to happen genuinely as town.
Same is not true for e.
Vote: e
Also, I'm still salty.
Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?
Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.
Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.
Vote: mathdude
That's an interesting vote
In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?
He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.
Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?
Hmm...
Undergo testing
But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.
Vote: mathdude
That's an interesting vote
In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?
He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.
Well MiX, I guess you got there first (and have since moved on), but I'll do it anyway...
Vote: MiX
Reason: siding with 3p instead of his own faction in round 1.
Vote: mathdude
That's an interesting vote
In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?
He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.
What read? I don't believe they had posted in the game to this point?
Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?
Hmm...
Undergo testing
But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.
Is there a reason we are assuming players are keeping their human/clyon status from game to game?
People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Because I really can't imagine a game where we could win if we literally sit around and do nothing.
Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?
Hmm...
Undergo testing
But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.
Vote Count 1.2
Jack Rudd (3): A Drowned Kernel, MiX, 2.71828.....
MiX (3): Glooble, mathdude, ashersky
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
Not Voting (7): WestCoastDidds, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Cylons
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.
I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.
People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.
we are supposed to no exileThis sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.
People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.
This is already a strong claim for D1... are you getting that much between Jack and e? Or do you know more than the rest of us?
I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.we are supposed to no exileThis sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.
Radiation kills...oh! I guess we don't know this for sure. But I would be very surprised if it didn't. I'm positive scum has a normal NK though, or at least they aren't just poisoning everyone.
Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.
Did that clarify anything?
Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.
Did that clarify anything?
Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.
I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.we are supposed to no exileThis sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.we are supposed to no exileThis sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
If I make it to like day 3 I usually will make a wall post or two. Or after a really eventful day 1. Honestly, Eddie flipping town in memento after my exhaustive case on him is really making me doubt my ability to play this game. It felt airtight. I'm feeling like "why bother making a case like that again?"
But we'll see.
On the subject of no exile, I think I'm anti, at least for day 1? Feels like we have essentially two paths to victory and they undermine each other, but it's a lot easier to swap to the "no removals" win con later on than it is to start with it and handicap ourselves.
I was, indeed, agreeing with you.
I should probably not reply to everything, right? I kinda want to though.
Glooble, who do you think is scum? What do you think of my Jack vs e theory?
PPE: Oh...hmm...
Unvote if you're voting Jack because of me.
Reads list because it's page 5 so there's TONS OF CONTENT (/s)
Town: Jack, Glooble, gkrieg, LL
Towny: ADK, EFHW, math
Null: ash, Swowl(?)
Scummy: Dylan, Didds, Swowl(?)
Scum: e
PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.
PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.
Vote: 2.71828..... for brig leader!
That's like the first time I've written your name. At least if you count the dots.
Huh, I looked through the not voting people and I could've swore all of them posted.
Are you scumreading me e, I don't get it.
Don't worry, no one can read uncle correctly.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.
Did that clarify anything?
Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.
How is this scummy?
Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.
Did that clarify anything?
Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.
How is this scummy?
It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.
Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.
Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.
Did that clarify anything?
Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.
How is this scummy?
It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.
I continue to fail to understand how this makes me more likely to be scum instead of town.
Do you not consider all outcomes as scum too?
I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners
I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners
Nightmare team!
What is "scummy"?
PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.
but no, I get it. The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines. There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.
Speaking of lurking....
Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts
--snip--
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.
but no, I get it. The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines. There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.
Speaking of lurking....
Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts
vote: scola
It's been long enough. Where are you?
Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.
Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so
Vote: LaLight
PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.
but no, I get it. The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines. There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.
Speaking of lurking....
Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts
vote: scola
It's been long enough. Where are you?
I definitely don’t like this policy vote.
PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.
but no, I get it. The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines. There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.
Speaking of lurking....
Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts
vote: scola
It's been long enough. Where are you?
I definitely don’t like this policy vote.
I agree. I posted in part to highlight just how "way-too-early" MiX's reads list was. But also in part to gently prod people for more content.
Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.
Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so
Vote: LaLight
Nice refreshing cheerful Didds.
vote: mix
No but you're scummier
Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".
Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".
Gkrieg feels off so far this game. Too quiet. /randomgutread
There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think. The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.
2.7 is town, I think.
Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.
One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.
For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.
I went back and read Jack's S1. Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum. Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1
Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.
One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.
I went back and read Jack's S1. Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum. Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1
Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.
I feel it's also important to note, Jack was scum in season one of this, and he was very much new!scum who didn't know how to interact, and rapidly offering up info is something completely opposite of what I saw as his partner in that round. Like, we were constantly trying to get him to share his thoughts and opinions and fake reads, anything, but it turned out that just playing the "I'm new and have no idea what to do to even say anything" worked out for him (and the scum team as a whole). Given that context, and that he subbed in as mafia for his second game ever, in which he still felt very similar to his first game, this feels a lot more like new town that is excited to have something they can say truthfully without having to worry about lying.
But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.
Hi Scola! Glad you could make it. Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!
I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.
But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.
Hi Scola! Glad you could make it. Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!
I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.
I don't know what town Jack does. But I don't think scum Jack does that.
Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.
One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.
For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.
Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.
Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.
Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.
One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.
For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.
Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.
Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.
vote: ADK
I feel like this is a better place for my vote.
Vigil
Tonight, all player who control the same player they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.
Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.
Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.
Looking at the deck again that may be the best we could have gotten D2Day 1
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.
Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.
Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.
I did!
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
I don't think it's that interesting there was no discussion... it's MiX! (Well, and see MiX's response).
weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.
I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.
i mean we can also exile MiX
I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.
Puts a lot of different actions on the table
weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.
I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.
i mean we can also exile MiX
No, we should definitely exile today.
No, we should definitely not exile me today.
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.
OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.
What does this mean?
Do you not have a QT with the Admiral?
I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.
Puts a lot of different actions on the table
Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.
I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.
Puts a lot of different actions on the table
Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.
Chaos is good. I also want Dylan and Jack to claim whatever power they'll use N1, I'm very curious what powers scum had in the first game.
Also, do note that I only had 2 choices.
And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?
And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?
No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.
You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?
And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?
No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.
You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?
"Isn't healthy" more like "is scummy"
Also, I'm still salty.
Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?
Wait, I just re-read the executive order and I had it completely backwards. Never mind, question withdrawn.
Is the viper qt a thing again?
So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?
Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something
And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?
No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.
You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?
Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there. Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping. Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Based on online times, I could see myself engaging a lot with e soon, but this is my first game with them so I'm more observing at the moment.
question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?
Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?
Is the viper qt a thing again?
I guess you swapped characters?
My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.
So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?
Is the viper qt a thing again?
I guess you swapped characters?
Why? I wasn't in it before.
Is the viper qt a thing again?
I guess you swapped characters?
Why? I wasn't in it before.
EFHW was military, I think, but not a viper. That was me, Swowl, lalight, and adk. We do not have a viper qt this game.
So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?
MiX's vote is on ADK and everything MiX says in game is a fact. So that should be enough to move your vote there. Oh, and MiX is president and we follow our authority figures.
Hmm, my gut says
Vote: LaLight
Is the viper qt a thing again?
I guess you swapped characters?
Why? I wasn't in it before.
question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?
Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?
question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?
Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?
are you asking about who? mathdude here yeah?
My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.
I get to see at night what powers were discarded.
ash - what card did you discard?
My power last time was to create qts. It seemed pretty redundant when I learned how many qts already existed. The viper qt in particular had its own mini game going unknown to the rest of us. If that's happening again, I want to know.Is the viper qt a thing again?
I guess you swapped characters?
Why? I wasn't in it before.
Why the interest in the Viper QT?
ash - what card did you discard?
I don't think we want to know that yet
I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.
But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?
I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.
But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?
I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.
Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort
My power last time was to create qts. It seemed pretty redundant when I learned how many qts already existed. The viper qt in particular had its own mini game going unknown to the rest of us. If that's happening again, I want to know.Is the viper qt a thing again?
I guess you swapped characters?
Why? I wasn't in it before.
Why the interest in the Viper QT?
You may find, from time to time, that I use terminology from the board game by accident, and that was one of them. By quorum I meant the president's executive orders.
I mentioned it now because I was already in the lead for votes on me, and didn't want to run the risk of being exiled without mentioning it.
So..... Any other thoughts 3 days before deadline heading into a weekend?
ash - what card did you discard?
I don't think we want to know that yet
We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.
All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here. I have very little to go on to read them.
If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl. And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me. This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.
ash - what card did you discard?
I don't think we want to know that yet
We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.
Seriously though, if we were revealing to test Jack, we definitely go the other way around -- they are the claimant. If we give info, he uses it to claim.
*snipped*
Vote Count 1.4
Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, MiX, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl
Not Voting (6): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.
If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.
I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.
Gkrieg feels off so far this game. Too quiet. /randomgutread
There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think. The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.
2.7 is town, I think.
Because I’m usually soooo loud D1.
vote: ADK
I feel like this is a better place for my vote.
Why?
Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.
weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.
I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.
i mean we can also exile MiX
Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote
They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town
If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.
I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.
Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote
They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town
I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?
Request prod: gkrieg, ADK, scolapasta, LaLightProds sent.
Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote
They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town
I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?
I switched back to Jack
I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.
But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?
I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.
Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort
Ok... then what is the reasoning behind waiting on knowing the discarded cards?
And I will save you the time - I have not explained that vote. So, nothing to find. I find the way they entered the game kind of phishy and I don't like any of the other cases that are surrounded by interaction rn.
I mean... kind of facts.
I still feel like my justification for LL is better than the reasons made for ADK.
Still waiting for an answer from Jack.
All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here. I have very little to go on to read them.
If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl. And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me. This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.
All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here. I have very little to go on to read them.
If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl. And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me. This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.
Need to go back and read stuff.
well, i didn't really played into looking town, I don't do that. I am very surprised that for the first time in infinity we have a different wincon and we don't do anything about that.There is a valid argument here. But it's not our only wincon. If we have a night with no kill, then it absolutely makes sense to go for it I think. But until we know that, let's at least try to figure out who scum is, and not presumably give them a free kill at night where we potentially learn nothing about people's reads on others.
Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)
If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.
Vote Count 1.6
Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW
Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in 32 hours.
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.
MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.
I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude
But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.
MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.
I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude
But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation
Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.
So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?
I mean, it is D1 so any "case" is going to be pretty flimsy. This is what got me voting ADK:Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something
ADK starts with a RVS on Jack. Sure.
ADK then moves over to MiX for some reason, with a way-too-early scum team call of MiX-math.
Then just jokes about the two votes against them.
Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there. Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping. Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.
MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.
I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude
But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation
Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.
I like that case. I have to say, the way you end that post makes people not want to answer it, I think.
Swowl is doing a bunch of town!Swowl stuff, but...idk, I feel like there's more there. I trust ash's suspicion on him more than my read, regardless of his alignment.
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.
MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.
I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude
But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation
Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.
I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision. Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.
MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.
I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude
But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation
Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.
I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision. Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?
Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.
At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.
Town!e.
Why do you townread LL?
I'm not used to 2.7 being this active. don't know what that means though
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.
MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.
I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude
But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation
Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.
I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision. Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?
Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.
At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.
Shade city
First of all, if you read my posts I have consistently attempted to engage my top scum read, jack.
Also, ADK is anything but the most convenient wagon. Right now, that distinction belongs to LaLight.
Third, I have made a case against ADK. In fact, I quoted it just recently.
Fourth, I could go build a pretend case on anyone and everyone, but that doesn't do anyone any favors and doesn't help the game.
Fifth, I am just counting at this point
Sixth, vote: mathdude
Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…
I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.
If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.
My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes
That's so nice and thoughtful. But there's more to math than just counting.
don't want it to sound as an excuse, but i have a wedding next saturday and i am a bit swamped. also will be vla next weekends (as actually my sig says)
don't want it to sound as an excuse, but i have a wedding next saturday and i am a bit swamped. also will be vla next weekends (as actually my sig says)
Before you go vote for mathdude!
That's so nice and thoughtful. But there's more to math than just counting.
I don't know, counting is pretty fundamental. Really, I felt as though your post just showed that you hadn't actually read my game.
Oh, and yeah, it is totally OMGUS even without you voting. Don't take that away from me just because you deal in shade and not in black and white votes.
I get it, that voting record is hard to hide from, a lot easier for scum to just shade everything
Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…
I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.
If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.
My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes
Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…
I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.
If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.
My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes
And this is why I think I get voted out each D1 as town. The day stalls, people don't seem around, I try to actually keep discussions going, and then my posts get nitpicked and people bandwagon since it's approaching deadline.
Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…
I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.
If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.
My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes
And this is why I think I get voted out each D1 as town. The day stalls, people don't seem around, I try to actually keep discussions going, and then my posts get nitpicked and people bandwagon since it's approaching deadline.
That happened once, lol.
It was happening again when I was scum one game but MiX and a couple others wouldn't let people kill me D1 again.
Is this a group policy thing... don't stir up conversations when things die down, or we'll vote you out? I could just zip up as conversations die down, like many seem to do. Some with reasons, others just not showing up much or not saying much useful. But that doesn't seem like a fun game. Maybe D1 in games should be half as long as other days?
But I'll keep poking and prodding. I do it early D1 in RVS. I'll keep doing it near the end of D1s if we haven't figured out where to go yet.
Players:
1. Jack Rudd
2. 2.71828.....
3. WestCoastDidds
4. MiX
5. EFHW
6. scolapasta
7. LaLight
8. Dylan32
9. A Drowned Kernel
10. Swowl
11. gkrieg13
12. ashersky
13. Glooble
14. mathdude
That's so nice and thoughtful. But there's more to math than just counting.
I don't know, counting is pretty fundamental. Really, I felt as though your post just showed that you hadn't actually read my game.
Oh, and yeah, it is totally OMGUS even without you voting. Don't take that away from me just because you deal in shade and not in black and white votes.
I get it, that voting record is hard to hide from, a lot easier for scum to just shade everything
You are correct that I didn't go back and read your whole game before making that post - most of my posting is done from my phone, so it's just a bit harder to do that.
I believe you probably have the most posts in this thread, yet I don't recall much memorable that you have posted. When I read that one, it felt like I said - "someone else tell me why a person is scummy and I'll vote for them". Now that you and others have replied, I realize there were a couple actual useful posts you've made - sorry for not remembering them.
But since I was replying to a single post, that's part of the reason I didn't vote for you at the same time. Give you a chance to respond. And I would have been ready to move on, after the responses, but now you have made a big deal out of it.
Players:
1. Jack Rudd
2. 2.71828.....
3. WestCoastDidds
4. MiX
5. EFHW
6. scolapasta
7. LaLight
8. Dylan32
9. A Drowned Kernel
10. Swowl
11. gkrieg13
12. ashersky
13. Glooble
14. mathdude
I know it's the end of the weekend and some people are less active on weekends. But I think these people have not posted in at least 24 hours, some even for 48 hours:
prod request: Jack, scola, ADK, Swowl, gkrieg, ash.
My apologies if any have a current posted VLA - I'm posting on phone late at night.
Math's not dying D1 again lmao.
Will you be available at deadline LL?
All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here. I have very little to go on to read them.
If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl. And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me. This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.
Not what I am doing - but more importantly, got a good laugh out of the fact that this post is you... "obliquely supporting Jack while while maintaining a throwaway vote on ADK".
Also what is NGBED1LL?
All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here. I have very little to go on to read them.
If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl. And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me. This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.
Ash seems very off here, but I’m not sure if it is in a scummy way.
I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.
I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.
I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.
So it's basically LL because he supported no-exile in the beginning or...?
That doesn't seem like the strongest case to me, as it seems like a big red flag for a mafia player to wave. So it reads more like town thinking they were being helpful. Plus, mafia!LL is especially careful not to stand out, I think. That may be outdated info though.
What are the alternatives? My MiX vote is a holdover that seems to be going nowhere. Seems Jack is getting a reprieve.
I could sheep EFHW as my only strong town read.
prod request: Jack, scola, ADK, Swowl, gkrieg, ash.Prods sent to ADK, Swowl, gkrieg.
I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.
I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?
At least 24 hours... I think my post was 26 hours ago, is that really a proddable offense? Any way going to bed now.
Has anyone thr ok en a vote e's way?
Maybe i haven't played many games with e before, but this level of engagement (on D1 nonetheless) feels at least worthy of consideration. That and the continued attempts to paint Jack as scum, where I don't see it.
Vote: e
Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)was made after more than 72 hours of inactivity.
If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.
I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?
You know, if you are mafia, this is the epitome of "caught for the wrong reasons" complaining.
Does your partial claim do anything?
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.
PPE: Math town, town math, etc.
Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.
Not sure I understand the question, but the [time] tag will display the time in the timezone you have set in your forum profile.Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.
faust, I am sorry, does the time formula in a vote count show the time, that I have set on forum? Because it shows me 3 pm and this is a forum time for me. Maybe I answered my own question.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.
PPE: Math town, town math, etc.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.
PPE: Math town, town math, etc.
Are you sure? I keep getting scum vibes.
"This is in about 10 hours." is always correct, so use that to answer your question.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.
PPE: Math town, town math, etc.
This will require a partial claim
Ok, consider this X-1 on LL, because I intend to vote there, but in case the cylons in the vote count are like a faction controlled vote or something that's just waiting to hammer, I want to make sure he has a chance to claim first.
Vote: LaLight
I believe this is X-2
right.
So I am a Doctor for Radiation Poisoning.
after seeing this I thought that rad. poisoning is the only means of scum to kill, because existence of my role might be pretty important for the town wincon (now not so much, I will be exiled or killed with this claim), so for instance we no exile - scum poisons someone - I doctor them - we have the wincon right here. That's why I want less killing/exiling happening. Sometimes things are easy, we overthink them and lose, ya'll know this is what happening. Anyway.
I was even thinking maybe I'm not the only doctor for that - and maybe scum can poison more people, or people can poison themselves by doing stuff and this is why doctoring is important and this is why we have this wincon - we need to stay away from the radiation AND not exile. dunno. we'll se how this plays out.
right.
So I am a Doctor for Radiation Poisoning.
after seeing this I thought that rad. poisoning is the only means of scum to kill, because existence of my role might be pretty important for the town wincon (now not so much, I will be exiled or killed with this claim), so for instance we no exile - scum poisons someone - I doctor them - we have the wincon right here. That's why I want less killing/exiling happening. Sometimes things are easy, we overthink them and lose, ya'll know this is what happening. Anyway.
I was even thinking maybe I'm not the only doctor for that - and maybe scum can poison more people, or people can poison themselves by doing stuff and this is why doctoring is important and this is why we have this wincon - we need to stay away from the radiation AND not exile. dunno. we'll se how this plays out.
From the Season2 rules, though, we know that radiation poisioning can happen when doing actions outside the decontaminated zone. Did you miss that?
So a few reads: math is very aggressive, which he has done as town, BUT I also think provides perfect cover for scum!math. i.e. at this point neither flip would surprise me.
I don't get the LL wagon - I don't think suggesting no exile due to the different win condition is at all scummy.
I like my e vote; and but would also consider ADK if ADK and LL end up being the two wagons.
LL, can you say more things about your role?
LL, can you say more things about your role?
no, this is it
Well...here we go again. Wait...what?
Vote: Cylons
Speaking of: Dylan, scola, Jack. What are your flavor names?
I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.
So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?
Oh, and I'm town again. I wonder if people will read my posts this game, they probably did when I was scum.Good to be back!
Welcome back e!
Vote: Jack
Suspicious of the fast claim with almost no real pressure. A few votes, yes. But it is early D1. Feels unnecessary and scummy
Also, I'm still salty.
Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?
I haven't seen one. I think people would have to claim if they changed characters
Emphasis is mine:Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.
Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.
We know Robz' character was eliminated from the game, so we can know that either gkrieg or glooble have a brand new character.
The three of us new adds were (I assume, I didn't ask) randomly assigned to Robz, Awaclus, and Space - I was slotted to fill Awaclus' spot (big shoes to fill, I thought Awaclus played incredibly well S1). At least, I am Billy Keikeya.
we are supposed to no exile
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
--snip--
also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact
I have reason to believe this is not the case.
Like several have already said, hard pass on an early no exile, but unlike Didds I don't think scum!LL would drop that second line right at their entrance to the game.
Gkrieg feels off so far this game. Too quiet. /randomgutread
There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think. The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.
2.7 is town, I think.
Also I think we should stop claiming pre night actions at the very minimum whether you swapped out or not. I fail to see how claiming that today is helpful.
I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.
I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.
I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.
I’ll be around, but I’m multitasking
I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.
I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.
I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.
Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?
I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.
No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.
MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.
I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude
But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation
Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.
I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision. Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?
Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.
At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.
Shade city
First of all, if you read my posts I have consistently attempted to engage my top scum read, jack.
Also, ADK is anything but the most convenient wagon. Right now, that distinction belongs to LaLight.
Third, I have made a case against ADK. In fact, I quoted it just recently.
Fourth, I could go build a pretend case on anyone and everyone, but that doesn't do anyone any favors and doesn't help the game.
Fifth, I am just counting at this point
Sixth, vote: mathdude
Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…
I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.
If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.
My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes
Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…
I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.
If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.
My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes
I'm not sure why you read EFHW townie. It seems like she hasn't really done much this game.
But you also don't have reads on Swowl and Glooble (who have done more, but you put them in the lurkers category)?
I’ll be around, but I’m multitasking
I know, Croatia just scored 2 crazy goals to go into extra time vs. Spain. I will be around through the deadline.
Well, it didn't take very long, but probably longer than it would take someone to read me, so I can't say anything. They basically voted for Jack without giving much reason, asked Jack about whether he was claiming something, called a scum team of MiX and Math, voted for MiX, reaffirmed the MiX scumread, said they were against no exile, and asked e why he voted for them. I don't know, that just didn't really give me scum vibes.
Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…
I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.
If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.
My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes
I'm not sure why you read EFHW townie. It seems like she hasn't really done much this game.
But you also don't have reads on Swowl and Glooble (who have done more, but you put them in the lurkers category)?
I’ve done very little. The last 4 days there’s been a 4-year old and a 6-year old running around and I haven’t been able to get on the thread much.
Well, it didn't take very long, but probably longer than it would take someone to read me, so I can't say anything. They basically voted for Jack without giving much reason, asked Jack about whether he was claiming something, called a scum team of MiX and Math, voted for MiX, reaffirmed the MiX scumread, said they were against no exile, and asked e why he voted for them. I don't know, that just didn't really give me scum vibes.
Who would you rather vote for?
Wait, cylons voted for ADK there, so that's X-1. Definitely feel worse about that wagon.
Wait, cylons voted for ADK there, so that's X-1. Definitely feel worse about that wagon.
Why does it make you feel worse? Do you know something about the Cylon vote the rest of us don't? I believe a few people have stated this game appears to not be Cylon vs Human, just like the first round.
It does look like it/they voted between 2:03 and 2:28 today though. So that should narrow it down.
- protective
- investigative
- radiation, blocking
- 1-shot, miscellaneous
Vigil
Tonight, all player who control the same player they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.
- 1-shot, Day, investigative, protective
- passive, miscellaneous
- 2-shot, miscellaneous
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
Cavil (#1) is definitely a Cylon extremist in the show.
The executive orders currently sitting in the discard pile are Military Police Force and Special Counsel. This tells us very little about the president and the admiral, except that they don't have the trust in each other necessary for either of those to have gone through.
MiX, I’m guessing we don’t have a qt like you had with the VP?
Also, why would anyone ever make me an Admiral? Goodship lollypop, maybe, but otherwise….oof!
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
And I know exactly which one you will choose, making this the only time ever I think I can predict what you will do. :)
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
I didn't, because I couldn't
vote: MiX
Can you fullclaim?
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
Presidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
You are assuming neither Lovers nor Cylon Extremists are the "Scum" faction. Big assumption.
The following executive order has been enacted:QuotePresidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
Yes.The following executive order has been enacted:QuotePresidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
oh my goodness, this can only turn wrong from now on.
Can president pardon themselves?
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
You are assuming neither Lovers nor Cylon Extremists are the "Scum" faction. Big assumption.
Can you fullclaim?
I can but I won't unless you give me any legit reasoning why I should.
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
The following executive order has been enacted:QuotePresidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
oh my goodness, this can only turn wrong from now on.
Can president pardon themselves?
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
You are assuming neither Lovers nor Cylon Extremists are the "Scum" faction. Big assumption.
ADK wasn't just Lover-Aligned though; they were also town-aligned. So I don't think that can be the "scum". Which really makes we wonder what it means to be dually aligned. Has anyone played in a game with dually aligned characters yet?
Also, Dylan and Jack did either of you switch characters from S1?
Can you fullclaim?
I can but I won't unless you give me any legit reasoning why I should.
I don't like how you weaseled out of the exile. From my perspective, town died instead of you. Given your claim was part of why, I'd love to know what else you've done and can do, I think that would be a good start to this day.
This is the day where we stop being hostile towards one another. Until this doesn't go away, we're not moving our votes, and nothing we say will the productive.
I believe you are scum: specifically, of an alignment that hasn't flipped yet, most likely behind ash's kill. What do you think I am?
I agree with MiX that a true scum alignment exists.
Disagree that lalight belongs to said scum alignment
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
Went back and read EFHW, and can definitely see a scum!EFHW narrative. Don't think it could get off the ground at this point for today but I would vote there
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
President is being very authoritarian.
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
And I know exactly which one you will choose, making this the only time ever I think I can predict what you will do. :)
Meanie! But I think you misunderstood something, and didn't do it intentionally.
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
No.
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
No.
Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
No.
Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
No.
Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.
The lover that is also town is dead.
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.
But he knew I was still the same character… there was a discussion of the viper pilots not having a QT this game. I am military, I assumed that if we kept our person that we kept our status.
PPE: 2
Interesting. So we have at least three factions:
Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists
and people can have more than one alignment.
We also have scum.
Vote: LL
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
The following executive order has been enacted:QuotePresidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
No.
Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.
The lover that is also town is dead.
Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...
Yeah, I would have disclosed the military status if I had been asked (Ash asked who wanted to be his successor, but I didn’t answer that because I didn’t want to do it! ) but I didn’t even think of disclosing it since I thought that we knew the alignment of all the folks with the same character. It literally never occurred to me that it would switch and we spent so much time last game sorting those out that I thought the only questions were the new characters.
Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?
President is being very authoritarian.
The following executive order has been enacted:QuotePresidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
So didds... you just like a super TR on mix at this point then?
Yeah, I would have disclosed the military status if I had been asked (Ash asked who wanted to be his successor, but I didn’t answer that because I didn’t want to do it! ) but I didn’t even think of disclosing it since I thought that we knew the alignment of all the folks with the same character. It literally never occurred to me that it would switch and we spent so much time last game sorting those out that I thought the only questions were the new characters.
You don't mean "alignment" here right? Cuz that would make the game just way to easy.
Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...
Okay, so, my thought process is this: there's 3 teams in play; Town, Lover and Cylon. There's a player that is both town and lover, and ash was a Cylon. So the person that killed ash was most likely someone of a different faction: a pure town would've claimed, and a lover would most likely also be of another faction. So there's a fourth faction.
Maybe the jump that there's no player that is only a lover doesn't make sense, but it's one I'm making.
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?
because scum didn't kill anyone
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?
because scum didn't kill anyone
So, how did Ash die?
I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
No.
Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.
The lover that is also town is dead.
Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...
How does that make sense? Ash did not flip lover?
This would explain why no lover died along with them. I would also have hoped ADK would fight exile harder if it might also bring down another townie.Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...
Okay, so, my thought process is this: there's 3 teams in play; Town, Lover and Cylon. There's a player that is both town and lover, and ash was a Cylon. So the person that killed ash was most likely someone of a different faction: a pure town would've claimed, and a lover would most likely also be of another faction. So there's a fourth faction.
Maybe the jump that there's no player that is only a lover doesn't make sense, but it's one I'm making.
That is an interesting take.
I was assuming that ADK was at the time of exile, the only lover. And they had like an ability or something that was a positive for their faction, but also made the target a lover. Since only also town aligned, my thought was ability would be pro-town, but add in the link for the death.
ash's powers don't seem very scummy, and there is no killing power. I don't know if a factional kill would be included in the powers list.
ash's powers don't seem very scummy, and there is no killing power. I don't know if a factional kill would be included in the powers list.
I was going to say we can go and check... but we literally can't. No flips in the other game
How does scum!ash choose a successor? Does he want to trigger a turning point by picking a civilian? Does he pick a partner? Does he do the pro-town thing to protect his partner? Or maybe he left it up to chance.
I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.
But also consider any X-1 a hammer.
vote: MiX because RVS and because MiX.
Also, I'm still salty.
Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?
Gkrieg feels off so far this game. Too quiet. /randomgutread
There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think. The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.
2.7 is town, I think.
So, anyone want to both claim military and make an argument for being my successor?
Also, work has been nuts, sorry for the less than normal activity. I should be back to normal next week.
For the first time ever, MiX and I agree? Scary.ash - what card did you discard?
I don't think we want to know that yet
We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.
*snip*
Besides, if you look at the list of cards, I'm sure you can think of reasons why mafia want to know what cards are not in play.
All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here. I have very little to go on to read them.
If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl. And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me. This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.
I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.
I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.
I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.
This is a good post, very town!EFHW to me. The only really strong post that stood out in all the ones I missed, actually.
So it's basically LL because he supported no-exile in the beginning or...?
That doesn't seem like the strongest case to me, as it seems like a big red flag for a mafia player to wave. So it reads more like town thinking they were being helpful. Plus, mafia!LL is especially careful not to stand out, I think. That may be outdated info though.
What are the alternatives? My MiX vote is a holdover that seems to be going nowhere. Seems Jack is getting a reprieve.
I could sheep EFHW as my only strong town read.
I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.
I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?
You know, if you are mafia, this is the epitome of "caught for the wrong reasons" complaining.
Does your partial claim do anything?
I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.
But also consider any X-1 a hammer.
This. What does this mean?
Cavil (#1) is definitely a Cylon extremist in the show.
The executive orders currently sitting in the discard pile are Military Police Force and Special Counsel. This tells us very little about the president and the admiral, except that they don't have the trust in each other necessary for either of those to have gone through.
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?
because scum didn't kill anyone
So, how did Ash die?
I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?
because scum didn't kill anyone
So, how did Ash die?
I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it
well, not only scum can kill
ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.
LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?
because scum didn't kill anyone
So, how did Ash die?
I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it
well, not only scum can kill
So you think that Ash's faction is.... something.
And ash died.
And no one else died.
So Ash's faction was blocked or target was doctored... or something, then some other somebody kills ash. That ok, I can kind of at least grasp... but how does ash die N1 if there is no direct kill?
Yeah, if we have a town vig they have some explaining to do.
Simplest explanation is that a red colored faction NKed ashersky, and often simple answers are correct
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
Cavil (#1) is definitely a Cylon extremist in the show.
The executive orders currently sitting in the discard pile are Military Police Force and Special Counsel. This tells us very little about the president and the admiral, except that they don't have the trust in each other necessary for either of those to have gone through.
No shit, it was me and ash. Why did you decide to say this publicly anyway?
So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.
And Ash’s yellow meant he was a baddie? Maybe part of the “cylons” vote?
I actually lean into thinking there is no scum: just factions with different wincons and who knows if these wincons are mutually exclusive. I mean I can believe into one faction having a wincon of "kill a person with this flavor name and a person with this flavor name" and another faction "no deaths for 2 days" and another faction "don't let all of you die by the end of D3" and such. I would so not put that above faust to make a game where everyone can win.
You win when there have been 2 Days and Nights in a row without someone being removed from the game and there is at least one Town-aligned player left alive, or when Town is the biggest faction in the game when the game ends. You earn 5 points from winning.
This is the day where we stop being hostile towards one another. Until this doesn't go away, we're not moving our votes, and nothing we say will the productive.
I believe you are scum: specifically, of an alignment that hasn't flipped yet, most likely behind ash's kill. What do you think I am?
It's really hard for me to play with you. I don't feel like you listen to others and I don't feel that if you set your mind to something, it can be changed other than by yourself, and this hurts town, because we should work as a team. I have no slightest idea what faction you are and I can't read you, never could.
I agree with MiX that a true scum alignment exists.
Disagree that lalight belongs to said scum alignment
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Select successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.
Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.
Are you the other lover-aligned?
No.
Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.
I will probably post a barrage of responses to specific posts over the next couple hours, since there's a lot I want to reply to. They are responses specific to the quoted posts, but with an awareness of everything that has been posted to date.Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
It makes sense ash didn't flip town, and you were agreeing with him... because you're aligned with him?
And you want everyone to claim whether they used Vigil ability because... it helps town? It helps your faction? Or helps your personal character arc?
I will say I didn't. But I won't say whether I could have or not.
So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.
And Ash’s yellow meant he was a baddie? Maybe part of the “cylons” vote?
For lovers, my only reference also is that when one dies, the other does too (not strictly referencing Memento mafia game, but when I used to play on another site years ago too). This is new... and it's even more odd that ADK was aligned with 2 "factions".
I'm also wondering about Ash's colour. It's not town. It's not typical 3rd party I don't think? And it's not typical red scum colour. It's clearly non-town (likely anti-town?). Does that mean there's probably more than 1 scum faction?
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Admiral ability:QuoteSelect successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.
So if he chooses, then he might accidentally pick civilian and trigger turning point (though it wouldn't affect him as he would be out of the game if that happens). If he doesn't choose, it guarantees no turning point.
There was no turning point, so new admiral is military. But we still don't know if ash chose or let it be random. I'm not even sure if it would help us in any way even if we did know.
Confirmed. The man loves his pumpkin spice lattes.
For reference, this is what I've got in terms of people's claims, including my assumptions about military/non-military and some testing results, so please let me know if anything is wrong or if it's missing any key pieces:
1. Jack Rudd -- Saul Tigh, military
2. SpaceAnemone (now gkrieg) -- Gaeta, military
3. WestCoastDidds -- Starbuck, in pilots QT, military
4. MiX -- Baltar, civilian
5. EFHW -- Duala, possibly cylon species through LL's D1 result, military
6. scolapasta -- Bill Adama, military
7. LaLight -- Helo, in pilots QT, military
8. Dylan32 -- Zarek, civilian
9. A Drowned Kernel -- Apollo, tested Human d3, in pilots QT, military
10. Swowl -- Boomer, human-aligned, in pilots QT, military, died n3
11. Robz888 -- Cally, civilian
12. ashersky -- Chief, civilian, tested Cylon d2
13. Awaclus -- Billy, human-aligned, civilian, died n2
14. mathdude -- Roslin, human-aligned, civilian, died mid-d1
As Ashersky has said all along, the civilian-vs-military distinction for the deck crew members (Cally and the Chief) may be a blurry line.
I don't think either of the tests was yet trustworthy:
Mix claimed at #1264 to have picked "cylon" on N1 and "human" on N2.
D2 test: Only "cylon" from Mix? -> Fits with Ash getting cylon result
D3 test: 2*human -> fits with ADK getting human result
D4 test: Only my setting?
I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.
But also consider any X-1 a hammer.
This. What does this mean?
Huh. At the time (I think) I had read this as X-1 lets "Cylons" hammer.
That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1
I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.
But also consider any X-1 a hammer.
This. What does this mean?
That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1
So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.
...
For lovers, my only reference also is that when one dies, the other does too (not strictly referencing Memento mafia game, but when I used to play on another site years ago too). This is new... and it's even more odd that ADK was aligned with 2 "factions".
...
Confirmed. The man loves his pumpkin spice lattes.
Thank you Glooble.
So...being both the Admiral and lore-lover with ADK, Didds...doesn't seem town.
Does this make sense?
Here is a lot of the information we collected last game:For reference, this is what I've got in terms of people's claims, including my assumptions about military/non-military and some testing results, so please let me know if anything is wrong or if it's missing any key pieces:
1. Jack Rudd -- Saul Tigh, military
2. SpaceAnemone (now gkrieg) -- Gaeta, military
3. WestCoastDidds -- Starbuck, in pilots QT, military
4. MiX -- Baltar, civilian
5. EFHW -- Duala, possibly cylon species through LL's D1 result, military
6. scolapasta -- Bill Adama, military
7. LaLight -- Helo, in pilots QT, military
8. Dylan32 -- Zarek, civilian
9. A Drowned Kernel -- Apollo, tested Human d3, in pilots QT, military
10. Swowl -- Boomer, human-aligned, in pilots QT, military, died n3
11. Robz888 -- Cally, civilian
12. ashersky -- Chief, civilian, tested Cylon d2
13. Awaclus -- Billy, human-aligned, civilian, died n2
14. mathdude -- Roslin, human-aligned, civilian, died mid-d1
As Ashersky has said all along, the civilian-vs-military distinction for the deck crew members (Cally and the Chief) may be a blurry line.
I don't think either of the tests was yet trustworthy:
Mix claimed at #1264 to have picked "cylon" on N1 and "human" on N2.
D2 test: Only "cylon" from Mix? -> Fits with Ash getting cylon result
D3 test: 2*human -> fits with ADK getting human result
D4 test: Only my setting?
Confirmed. The man loves his pumpkin spice lattes.
Thank you Glooble.
So...being both the Admiral and lore-lover with ADK, Didds...doesn't seem town.
Does this make sense?
I'll ask Jack (as our resident BSG expert) to confirm, but Lee was married to Dee (that's EFHW, right?). Though the WCD one does fit the "unrequited lovers" type of scenario. But I'd also be hesitant to put much weight in love from the story, as that seems to help "solve" the game too much.
In S1, Lee Adama was a 3rd part when Baltar was not, which doesn't feel story right.
Correction:
Jack was a civilian in S1. He had a weird role that was civilian, but the fake claim was military. I actually thought I had killed the game for us when I said something about that in the main thread (effectively outing both him and me), but luckily no one actually caught it at the time.
Quote fail:I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.
But also consider any X-1 a hammer.
This. What does this mean?
That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1
Huh. At the time (I think) I had read this as X-1 lets "Cylons" hammer.
That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1
C’mon MiX…no way Ash puts his yellow buddy in the Admiral role, assuming his buddy (or buddies) are military. It’s too much scrutiny. He either chose me because he didn’t want a turning point, or he had a good feeling I was town and/or not against his alliance. Or he didn’t chose and I randomed up.
If I didn’t trust you there is no way I give you pardon power. Think about it… if I’m a baddie, you’re a great misexile and there is plenty of trepidation about you generally, and then we have LL and mathdude who don’t need much reason to vote for you.
Well, I trust you but I’m not sure what it takes for me to earn your trust. It feels like my tussle with LL last game where he just couldn’t not scumread me even though I wasn’t scum. I don’t know how to get out from under distrust even when there is evidence to the contrary.
Wait, cylons voted for ADK there, so that's X-1. Definitely feel worse about that wagon.
Why does it make you feel worse? Do you know something about the Cylon vote the rest of us don't? I believe a few people have stated this game appears to not be Cylon vs Human, just like the first round.
It does look like it/they voted between 2:03 and 2:28 today though. So that should narrow it down.
I mean, I don't "know" anything, but I have reasons to doubt that it is an inherently pro-town group.
C’mon MiX…no way Ash puts his yellow buddy in the Admiral role, assuming his buddy (or buddies) are military. It’s too much scrutiny. He either chose me because he didn’t want a turning point, or he had a good feeling I was town and/or not against his alliance. Or he didn’t chose and I randomed up.
If I didn’t trust you there is no way I give you pardon power. Think about it… if I’m a baddie, you’re a great misexile and there is plenty of trepidation about you generally, and then we have LL and mathdude who don’t need much reason to vote for you.
Well, I trust you but I’m not sure what it takes for me to earn your trust. It feels like my tussle with LL last game where he just oiling not scumread me even though I wasn’t scum. I don’t know how to get out from under distrust even when there is evidence to the contrary.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
I am really, truly sorry that went how that went :( I didn't mean to hurt you in any way and I was really wrong. Also I thought "oiling" was some slang I didn't understand, but caught in the context
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Hmmm, yes more clarification needed! If it's just species, then that's not enough to exile this game. S1, yes, since we figured out it was Human-Aligned vs Cylon-Aligned (though come to think of it, I'm not sure how we did, since we never flipped one of us Cylon-aligned players; I think "we" guessed and just got lucky)
But in this season we have at least some reason to believe (most?) cylons are good. I mean clearly Ash was not (well, at least not town) but it would make sense not all Cylons are Cylon Extremist Aligned, otherwise it would just be called Cylon-Aligned.
Also, if you suggest to exile mathdude today, why not vote in the same post??
(fyi, a better reason to exile mathdude is that he survived into D2, as he has been scum in 100% of games in which he's survived into D2! - and yes folks, this is a joke!)
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Hmmm, yes more clarification needed! If it's just species, then that's not enough to exile this game. S1, yes, since we figured out it was Human-Aligned vs Cylon-Aligned (though come to think of it, I'm not sure how we did, since we never flipped one of us Cylon-aligned players; I think "we" guessed and just got lucky)
But in this season we have at least some reason to believe (most?) cylons are good. I mean clearly Ash was not (well, at least not town) but it would make sense not all Cylons are Cylon Extremist Aligned, otherwise it would just be called Cylon-Aligned.
Also, if you suggest to exile mathdude today, why not vote in the same post??
(fyi, a better reason to exile mathdude is that he survived into D2, as he has been scum in 100% of games in which he's survived into D2! - and yes folks, this is a joke!)
Both me and awaclus got "cylon-aligned" from faust with a very strong indicator that it meant scum. I mean, that's how I ended up knowing dylan was scum the final day.
It's a joke, but it's compelling.
Wow…there is nothing going on. That always makes me super nervous. Town never seems to benefit from a stall.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?
can confirm Dylan had some sort of power that allowed him to attach himself in some way and that he chose ADK. I'll have th go back to read the QT to confirm the details (and I will later), but I don't see why he would change anything there, knowing that either Jack or I could call him out on it.
I am also on the "there is a faction with a NK" hypothesis team, I forget who said it that its the simplest explanation. But just to humor the other side, I did have in S1 a Bomb PR that allowed me to take out someone else. So that is an example of a PR like Dylan is pondering.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.
And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?
Went back and checked: for S1 it was different; i.e. if one got incapacitated, so did the other. But it makes sense that wouldn't still hold true and now be something related, but different.
Dylan, was this an AND or OR wincon, i.e. how did it interact with your regular win con?
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
Do you think math is scum, or ash-aligned?
If I was eliminated, ADK would go down too, but not the other way around.
If I was eliminated, ADK would go down too, but not the other way around.
Lol, this just makes the other game's final day hilarious. ADK was going to die regardless of what happened.
Math, are you part of the cylons vote?
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.
And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).
It does not say if it is alignment or species.
I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.
And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).
It does not say if it is alignment or species.
I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?
If it doesn't say, why would you default to thinking it's alignment? Just to make sure the vote doesn't come back to you? Setup seems pretty clear that Cylon or Human species is not the same as alignment. If you get Cylon result, that sounds like species to me.
vote: Jack
because I can.
Vote: mathdude
Vote: mathdude
Vote: mathdude
Vote: mathdude
My bad. I just remembered *you* not voting immediately and missed the later vote.
Vote: mathdude
My bad. I just remembered not voting immediately and missed the later vote.
Vote: mathdude
Considering the position we'll be in if math flips a fourth alignment, we need to make sure that you can't just weasel out of this if math doesn't flip cylon. I think you really need to clarify exactly what information you got.
I mean, unless his cop has a stated modifier in the name, I think alignment would be the default result there. Really, the only thing that even suggests it could be anything else is that gkrieg himself isn't voting.
It feels like this whole attempt at living together in peace is doomed from the start if it is built on a lie.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
I mean, unless his cop has a stated modifier in the name, I think alignment would be the default result there. Really, the only thing that even suggests it could be anything else is that gkrieg himself isn't voting.
Didn't we decide that (non-extremist) Cylon was not an alignment this game, in particular because extremist Cylons exist? Also, there's this:It feels like this whole attempt at living together in peace is doomed from the start if it is built on a lie.
I might be a Cylon, and there is no Cylon qt that I know of.
Obviously I don't think being a Cylon is incriminating in and of itself. I'll ISO math tomorrow.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
So, I haven't read much of the reaction, but being human or cylon does not make a person town or scum.
I have strong reason to believe there are not many town-aligned Cylons.
I'm going to guess, given flavour texts, results of last game, and people's suspicions, claims, and results already... that there are more Cylons this round than Humans. So rather than getting stuck here, does anyone else have anything to discuss?
I have strong reason to believe there are not many town-aligned Cylons.
i have a strong reason to believe there are at least 2? i already mentioned i have a personal goal: when town wins have at least one human and one cylon alive. would be weird if there would be only one town-aligned Cylon.
that said, my wedding's coming, so i won't be here for some time
Day 1 Final Vote Count
MiX (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32A Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble
No Exile (1): LaLight
Not Voting (0)
With 14 alive, it took 8 to exile.
Day 1 Final Vote Count
MiX (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32A Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble
No Exile (1): LaLight
Not Voting (0)
With 14 alive, it took 8 to exile.
So, here is a theory about the cylon vote. But first
1) I think it is clear that cylons don't have the same communication ability as S1
2) I think it is very likely both town and scum cylons exist
That being said, my theory is that when 3 cylons are voting for the same person, the "cylon" vote moves to that wagon.
A few reasons
- we didn't really have wagons D1. A bunch of scattered votes.
- look at the wagon. cylons (confirmed or potential) include: jack, efhw, math. Then after the math vote cylons moved.
Just given everything that has come out I think it makes sense.
I have strong reason to believe there are not many town-aligned Cylons.
i have a strong reason to believe there are at least 2? i already mentioned i have a personal goal: when town wins have at least one human and one cylon alive. would be weird if there would be only one town-aligned Cylon.
that said, my wedding's coming, so i won't be here for some time
Day 1 Final Vote Count
MiX (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32A Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble
No Exile (1): LaLight
Not Voting (0)
With 14 alive, it took 8 to exile.
So, here is a theory about the cylon vote. But first
1) I think it is clear that cylons don't have the same communication ability as S1
2) I think it is very likely both town and scum cylons exist
That being said, my theory is that when 3 cylons are voting for the same person, the "cylon" vote moves to that wagon.
A few reasons
- we didn't really have wagons D1. A bunch of scattered votes.
- look at the wagon. cylons (confirmed or potential) include: jack, efhw, math. Then after the math vote cylons moved.
Just given everything that has come out I think it makes sense.
If that's true, there's at most 5 cylons. Could that be true? We also know ash was a cylon, so...
As for the statement of max 5... is that from tole carryover from last round, vote counts from D1, or both?
As for the statement of max 5... is that from tole carryover from last round, vote counts from D1, or both?
If the cylon vote moves when there's 3 cylons voting for someone, there can only be at most 5 cylon, otherwise 2 wagons could have 3 cylons.
that said, my wedding's coming, so i won't be here for some time
I'm going to guess, given flavour texts, results of last game, and people's suspicions, claims, and results already... that there are more Cylons this round than Humans. So rather than getting stuck here, does anyone else have anything to discuss?
As for the statement of max 5... is that from tole carryover from last round, vote counts from D1, or both?
If the cylon vote moves when there's 3 cylons voting for someone, there can only be at most 5 cylon, otherwise 2 wagons could have 3 cylons.
Could be majority. Could be whichever reaches 3 first until that wagon drops below 3 cylons. Could be the most recent to 3. We're just hypothesizing, so there don't have to be arbitrary limits.
**OFC in all of these Math could also be Town and either the cylon check is not for Alignment, or GK is lying, or something else happened that messed with a result or something*
Whatever, my point is - You are asking if anyone has anything other than this that they want to discuss, but this is a pretty interesting situation. What is it you would want to dive into here that is more interesting, if, let's say, GK came back with the same result on someone else
I don't appear to be a Cylon this time around, although of course I could be a sleeper agent.
Day 1 Final Vote CountA Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
Vote Count 1.9
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (4): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds
2.71828..... (1): scolapasta
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble
No Exile (1): LaLight
Not Voting (4): Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude, gkrieg13
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in less than 1 hour.
I will say there's a lot of talk about "cop" this and "cop" that. But my guess is that gkrieg's actualy PR never mentions "cop" he just used that as shorthand for what his powers do.
I was thinking about this idea of the Cylons vote not being manually determined, and it makes sense to me that could be it.
So I'm happy to vote for someone and keep testing that... am starting to lean towards mathdude actually, as gkrieg's assertions seem too dangerous as cum and I'm believing him when he says there's more to it than just the result.
But with there being some time to deadline (and I wonder if it could also be time based), I'm going to go with:
Vote: Dylan
A known (at least kept same character) Cylon. And claimed Lover-Aligned, and my gut says they're a different faction than ADK.
Also, who took over for Robz? We know for a fact that is a new character.
I will say there's a lot of talk about "cop" this and "cop" that. But my guess is that gkrieg's actualy PR never mentions "cop" he just used that as shorthand for what his powers do.
I was thinking about this idea of the Cylons vote not being manually determined, and it makes sense to me that could be it.
So I'm happy to vote for someone and keep testing that... am starting to lean towards mathdude actually, as gkrieg's assertions seem too dangerous as cum and I'm believing him when he says there's more to it than just the result.
But with there being some time to deadline (and I wonder if it could also be time based), I'm going to go with:
Vote: Dylan
A known (at least kept same character) Cylon. And claimed Lover-Aligned, and my gut says they're a different faction than ADK.
Also, who took over for Robz? We know for a fact that is a new character.
I took over for Robz. I’m not sure I ought to say who my character is.
Gkrieg said he has Space's character.
I will say there's a lot of talk about "cop" this and "cop" that. But my guess is that gkrieg's actualy PR never mentions "cop" he just used that as shorthand for what his powers do.
Well, there goes e's theory on the cylons vote.
I bet the cylon faction wants mathdude dead. So, let's help them out!
Vote: math
Maybe it's a bad vote, but mine's not better anyway. Plus, I can always just cancel the exile :P
Was there an actual reason for that?
Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.
Unvote
I'll sleep on this. I have a bunch of mechanical thoughts about everything, but in terms of alignment, right now it seems very likely that Jack is not town.
I wanted to vote gkrieg after his vla post without responding to anything. Maybe Cylons felt the same way.
I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.
I don't appear to be a Cylon this time around, although of course I could be a sleeper agent.How would you know you don't appear to be a Cylon?
Unvote
I'll sleep on this. I have a bunch of mechanical thoughts about everything, but in terms of alignment, right now it seems very likely that Jack is not town.
Oops I didn't actually sleep on this. Anyway, I agree with past!mix here.I wanted to vote gkrieg after his vla post without responding to anything. Maybe Cylons felt the same way.
It seems like cylons aren't any player here. That is my belief, given that vote. Or, you know, they're toying with us.
Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?
He should die because he said he's not a Cylon, and math said he is? Or some other reason?Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?
I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.
Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.
Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?
I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.
Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.
He should die because he said he's not a Cylon, and math said he is? Or some other reason?Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?
I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.
Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.
@math, it's not obvious to me why you didn't want to claim, but you say it should be. Why is that?
Your having the same power should have made you less skeptical, not more, even if you disagree with his conclusions from the information.
Why are you only partially claiming? What you have said so far does nothing to exonerate you or make you too valuable to exile. What was the point?
You, gkrieg and LL all have one big power, and then a bunch of random passives, right? This is almost what Jack's claim was too. And my own role is similar...
More claims would be cool. And maybe even pro-town!
vote: Jack Rudd
He should die because he said he's not a Cylon, and math said he is? Or some other reason?Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?
I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.
Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.
Yeah, it's the first real inconsistency of the claims.
I am so confused
Cylons! If you can hear me, vote Swowl in the next 2 hours. Thank you for your time.
You, gkrieg and LL all have one big power, and then a bunch of random passives, right? This is almost what Jack's claim was too. And my own role is similar...
More claims would be cool. And maybe even pro-town!
From everyone involved, scum is either Jack or e! So I think either of those people should claim stuff! I'm way too excited! Mechanics are fun!
You, gkrieg and LL all have one big power, and then a bunch of random passives, right? This is almost what Jack's claim was too. And my own role is similar...
More claims would be cool. And maybe even pro-town!
From everyone involved, scum is either Jack or e! So I think either of those people should claim stuff! I'm way too excited! Mechanics are fun!
Where am I involved in this other than just being in the game? That I am (and have been) skeptical about gkrieg's claim necessarily meaning that math is scum?
I do agree that more claims will open things up more, but not really looking for any more claims today.
Well, except Jack. I want Jack to claim everything
vote: math, X-2
it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from
also i believe gkrieg isn't telling something to us. seems improvable to me that he just got the cylon result and decided to claim and vote for the person
unvote
I want to be the one to hammer math
vote: math, X-2
it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from
I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.
Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?
Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger
Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?
Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger
If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.
Because it doesn't work out.I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.
Why would it be not great for town to get a second shot out of a cop?
I don't think I'm a Cylon because nothing in the character information I've been sent suggests to me I'm a Cylon. What else is there to say?You don't get told which yiu are.
Vote: Mathdude
Whoever moved the cylon vote is toying with us. I don't have a good theory as to why, but voting gkrieg seems like it's baiting us to vote math. So I say let's do it. I have no reason to scumread the cylon vote anyway.
I do doubt that cylons voting gkrieg implies that they want gkrieg dead. Unless something very funny is happening. Which is now what I hope is true.
Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.
Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.
I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.
I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.
I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".
As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.
So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?
I wanted to vote gkrieg after his vla post without responding to anything. Maybe Cylons felt the same way.
I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.
I am waiting for a response to this.
vote: math, X-2
it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came fromalso i believe gkrieg isn't telling something to us. seems improvable to me that he just got the cylon result and decided to claim and vote for the person
I could hard shift to exiling LaLight if there is interest.
These posts are an ultimate example of not-too-involved scum (tracking the limited access) who felt the need to justify a vote more than they needed to.
I don't appear to be a Cylon this time around, although of course I could be a sleeper agent.How would you know you don't appear to be a Cylon?
I do kind of think both math and gkrieg are town.
I think gkrieg is misguided in his "all cylons are scum" stance that led him to vote math, but that still feels like a town read
Thank you faust!
This experiment told me I hate time zones and also that each day is a week long. So, yeah.
Jack and math, two cylons, fighting it out. Cool.
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If anything, I prefer exiling gkrieg over math right now given info we have
I do kind of think both math and gkrieg are town.
I think gkrieg is misguided in his "all cylons are scum" stance that led him to vote math, but that still feels like a town read
So do you think that Cylon/non-Cylon is completely irrelevant for alignment?
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If anything, I prefer exiling gkrieg over math right now given info we have
Why?
Also, I have to either (1) accept that Cylons aren't scum this game, AND (2) my powers are just not very useful, AND (3) that another townie (math) has my exact same ability, AND (4) that math copped someone who was a Cylon, AND (5) that I happened to cop math (the one out of 14 people with my same ability), all of which must have fairly low odds. I mean, even the chance that we both cop Cylons, has to be about 40% (just guessing that it is lower than 50%), along with the very low chance of (3) and (5).
I think the chance of all of those things happening is just too low, where on the other hand, math is just scum, which has a much higher chance.
vote: math, X-2
it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from
Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?
Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger
If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.
Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?
Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger
If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.
I really don't want to exile gkrieg or math today. I like exiling Jack because I think they have been scummy, not just because they are a cylon (per math).
I really think all the human vs cylon stuff is a big distraction for town that scum can easily hide behind (reference lalight's vote).
I am more than happy to give that discussion time to marinate (I would even be willing to no-exile today) rather than exile someone based on cylon vs human
I don't think I'm a Cylon because nothing in the character information I've been sent suggests to me I'm a Cylon. What else is there to say?
Vote: Mathdude
Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.
I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.
I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.
I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".
As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.
So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?
Ok, just got to this claim. Not sure how to react to it actually. This does sound similar to my role, but that really just makes the role kind of useless I think? Unless turning points can cause alignment switches of cylons?
Do you have any qualifier to your investigation ability? Or do you just detect if someone is a Cylon?
Mathdude: what do you think about your current wagon? Do you think Dylan, Didds, or pasta are scum who just hopped on an investigative result because it is an easy thing to do?
Okay… I’m reading fast before family fun time.
So gkrieg has an ability that says Math is a cylon.
Math has an ability that says Jack is a cylon.
The cylons are voting…first gkrieg and then e, and they don’t choose to obey MiX
There is controversy on whether or not cylons are actually baddies, so folks are saying we should choose the scummiest person regardless of the cylon result.
Is all that right?
So, fortuitously, in the case of Jack he is both an object of investigation and the scummiest player.
Vote: Jack
His flip (like Math’s) should tell us something about these results.
While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.
Claim then! What are you waiting for?
Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.
...Who? Can you give me a full name?
There's been 3 night, why have you setup only 2 QTs?
Dee = Anastasia Dualla.
I'm Saul Tigh.
I've got a rather uninteresting self-protective power. Maybe all the alcohol in my bloodstream serves to preserve me, or something.
So Dylan, why is math a better exile?
Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.
I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.
I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.
I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".
As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.
So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?
vote: gkrieg
Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.
I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.
I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.
I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".
As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.
So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?vote: gkrieg
OK here is what I am struggling with here Math. You have an ability like GK, which GK claimed first so he is not like imprinting off of your claim here right. He said it, then you said it. If I am wrong about that order, someone correct me.
You "cop" Jack - cylon result
GK "cops" you - cylon result
So I can get why, if you are town, you are less likely to think that Jack is skum here based on the result... but like.. how is GK skum here?
I am so confused
Cylons! If you can hear me, vote Swowl in the next 2 hours. Thank you for your time.
Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?
Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger
If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.
Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?
Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger
If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.
OK - but like... Ash flipped Cylon Aligned. Then you get a result on Math, then also Math gets a result on Jack. Seems like a too much good stuff if all cylons are skum.
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now
Vote: LL
Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.
I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.
I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.
I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".
As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.
So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?vote: gkrieg
OK here is what I am struggling with here Math. You have an ability like GK, which GK claimed first so he is not like imprinting off of your claim here right. He said it, then you said it. If I am wrong about that order, someone correct me.
You "cop" Jack - cylon result
GK "cops" you - cylon result
So I can get why, if you are town, you are less likely to think that Jack is skum here based on the result... but like.. how is GK skum here?
Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now
Vote: LL
Very strange. I'm sure there's a lot of sciencing that we can do with the cylons vote, but not knowing their limitations really limits this.Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now
Vote: LL
I think LL has to be town.
Very strange. I'm sure there's a lot of sciencing that we can do with the cylons vote, but not knowing their limitations really limits this.Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now
Vote: LL
I think LL has to be town.
If LL is scum, I'll bet MiX is too. I believe he has expressed this sentiment multiple times, IIRC. I'm not saying I think either of them are. I'm just saying this has come up a few times, I believe. Remember this for the future if one of them flips at some point.
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.
And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.
Math, when did you get to use your power? And when did gkrieg use his power? And when did both of you learn the information from the power?
Math, when did you get to use your power? And when did gkrieg use his power? And when did both of you learn the information from the power?
Used at night. Got results in the morning.
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.
And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.
Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??
Math, when did you get to use your power? And when did gkrieg use his power? And when did both of you learn the information from the power?
Used at night. Got results in the morning.
What night?
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.
And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.
Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??
I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.
I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.
And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.
Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??
I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.
I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).
This feels sketch to me.
I mean investigate in this game could be so may different things - find out alignment, find out species, find out military vs civilian, that there's no way your OR doesn't also say something about the results you will get.
But you only refer to the non informative part about investigating and you don't mention at all anything about the results part?
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Day ends in about 25 hours, right? I am on vacation 8 hours off my regular time zone, just doing a sanity and math check
Just looking at everything, where is glooble?
All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.
I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts
I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit
Vote: glooble
Just looking at everything, where is glooble?
All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.
I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts
I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit
Vote: glooble
Finally. I think this is the longest I've lurked without being called out on it.
I've been busy. I've been keeping tabs. I've been moving my vote based on new info. I haven't had time for any deep-dive investigative posts.
But if you exiled me today that wouldn't be the worst thing.
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.
And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.
Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??
I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.
I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).
This feels sketch to me.
I mean investigate in this game could be so may different things - find out alignment, find out species, find out military vs civilian, that there's no way your OR doesn't also say something about the results you will get.
But you only refer to the non informative part about investigating and you don't mention at all anything about the results part?
I don't get what the issue is. I have stated my results before. MiX asked what my power says. So I answered smart.
My "Result" came in the form of 2 words. Without quoting them both, so I don't break the rules, I'll tell you that the second word was "Cylon". What more are you asking for?
And of course investigate could mean so many things. I think part of the issue this game is figuring that out.
Also, you're asking gkrieg for more info. He's been asked many times and hasn't given anything. Either he has nothing, or it incriminates him, or he's intentionally hiding it for some other reason.
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
Just looking at everything, where is glooble?
All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.
I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts
I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit
Vote: glooble
Finally. I think this is the longest I've lurked without being called out on it.
I've been busy. I've been keeping tabs. I've been moving my vote based on new info. I haven't had time for any deep-dive investigative posts.
But if you exiled me today that wouldn't be the worst thing.
See, but this is still another way of avoiding the question.
The question was about what your PR says about the results of your investigations. The first time you respond about it saying you can investigate, and nothing about what it says about the results. I call you out on that, and you talk about the specific result you got, but again, avoid saying anything about what the PR says about results.
Why are you avoiding this?
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Then what was this post about?Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Then what was this post about?Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..
I am intrigued by glooble, and not sure to make of their response.
I almost feel like it could actually come from scum, I just haven't really seen the "I am town but I suppose exiling me isn't all that bad" defense all that often from scum
I am intrigued by glooble, and not sure to make of their response.
I almost feel like it could actually come from scum, I just haven't really seen the "I am town but I suppose exiling me isn't all that bad" defense all that often from scum
It's not a defense, it's a soft claim.
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Then what was this post about?Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..
A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Then what was this post about?Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..
A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.
If I needed a fake claim, I would have picked something that wouldn't draw so much attention. This is my main, active power/role, and now we need to figure out what to with this.
It seems to me like we may both be detecting species (though I'm not sure why). Would it make sense to both test the same person tonight? I'd have no problem stating my results first in the morning.
But who gets to choose who we investigate? One of us or someone else?
Just looking at everything, where is glooble?
All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.
I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts
I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit
Vote: glooble
Finally. I think this is the longest I've lurked without being called out on it.
I've been busy. I've been keeping tabs. I've been moving my vote based on new info. I haven't had time for any deep-dive investigative posts.
But if you exiled me today that wouldn't be the worst thing.
Horrible post, town post.
I am intrigued by glooble, and not sure to make of their response.
I almost feel like it could actually come from scum, I just haven't really seen the "I am town but I suppose exiling me isn't all that bad" defense all that often from scum
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Then what was this post about?Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..
A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.
If I needed a fake claim, I would have picked something that wouldn't draw so much attention. This is my main, active power/role, and now we need to figure out what to with this.
It seems to me like we may both be detecting species (though I'm not sure why). Would it make sense to both test the same person tonight? I'd have no problem stating my results first in the morning.
But who gets to choose who we investigate? One of us or someone else?
1. TBF, if you needed a fake claim this would be a brilliant one. Mirror effect on your already existing vote on Jack who also happens to be FOS by many so far.
2. Unfortunately, I do no think there is a way for that plan to work if you have to publicly pick the target.
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But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?
I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.
Then what was this post about?Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..
A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.
If I needed a fake claim, I would have picked something that wouldn't draw so much attention. This is my main, active power/role, and now we need to figure out what to with this.
It seems to me like we may both be detecting species (though I'm not sure why). Would it make sense to both test the same person tonight? I'd have no problem stating my results first in the morning.
But who gets to choose who we investigate? One of us or someone else?
1. TBF, if you needed a fake claim this would be a brilliant one. Mirror effect on your already existing vote on Jack who also happens to be FOS by many so far.
2. Unfortunately, I do no think there is a way for that plan to work if you have to publicly pick the target.
That early vote was my way of saying I have a potentially condemning result on Jack.
huh...
Hey Math - have you like... tried asking Faust in your QT for a clarification on what the result means in regards to alignment vs species?
scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.
scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.
vote: scolapasta
I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?
scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.
scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.
vote: scolapasta
I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?
We have three new players and gkrieg said he has taken over Space's role. Glooble seemed to think he took over for Robz but was cagey about his flavor name. So, is e Awaclus, or did we make some mistaken assumptions?
Yes, I know. But MiX was asking about Space and Robz, saying nothing about Awaclus. What's that about? There is also some benefit to knowing who someone might be.We have three new players and gkrieg said he has taken over Space's role. Glooble seemed to think he took over for Robz but was cagey about his flavor name. So, is e Awaclus, or did we make some mistaken assumptions?
It's possible that rather than getting their characters, the new players got new characters (except I guess if they have already claimed to have the same one). I mean, in other legacy games like Pandemic legacy, new characters are introduced and become available throughout the course of the game, and the players are able to choose to keep using the old ones or start using the new ones. I would imagine there are similar but different ideas in this since those are the games this was drawing inspiration from.
Vote: Jack
Better than math
Vote: Jack
Better than math
What did you think about my townslip idea?
vote: math
vote: math
vote: math
Town vig kill this man if math flips town btw.
I know you exist, and you might not be town, but you might be listening to me, and you might even trust me.
vote: math
Town vig kill this man if math flips town btw.
I know you exist, and you might not be town, but you might be listening to me, and you might even trust me.
If I’m not town, I just made the stupidest move if math flips town.
scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.
scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.
It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.
It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.
Why would you assume it's alignment then? It's clearly species if that's what it says.
It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.
Why would you assume it's alignment then? It's clearly species if that's what it says.
I agree with Mix here (of course), and this is also all I was trying to get out of mathdude, if it says the same thing about his results.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.
And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).
It does not say if it is alignment or species.
I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.
And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).
It does not say if it is alignment or species.
I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?
So was this a lie, gkrieg?
It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.
They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.
And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.
Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??
I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.
I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).
It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.
And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).
It does not say if it is alignment or species.
I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?
So was this a lie, gkrieg?
? That is exactly what I just said. It does not say if it is alignment or species. It says you find out if they are a Cylon or not. That is 100% consistent with what I said above.
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.
vote: math
gkrieg the hammer man.
Math, full claim. I'm the only person that can save you. Related: if anyone else can save math, don't, that's incredibly anti-town, as you can just tell me you're gonna do it and I'll do it for you.
I suggest trusting me right now.
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.
This intrigues me. I wonder what this "good authority " is.
I suggest trusting me right now.
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.
I suggest trusting me right now.
I mean, do what you want with what you have and know, but I'm just going to throw it out there, if you overturn this exile and mathdude isn't actually town, my vote won't move off of you until one of us is out of the game or you are mod confirmed IC lol.
Ok, that's probably exaggeration, but you will end up being my top scumread by far. It would also be fun for ADK's way too early scumteam call of MiX and mathdude to be proven right.
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.
MiX, do you have the same passive power you had in S1? Is this from that? I mean, what else could it be?
If so, I wonder how precise your info is, or is it more generic like "different platers have the same (or similar) abilities" and your inferring its mathdude and gkrieg?
I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
vote: math
gkrieg the hammer man.
Math, full claim. I'm the only person that can save you. Related: if anyone else can save math, don't, that's incredibly anti-town, as you can just tell me you're gonna do it and I'll do it for you.
I'm Hermes, a Number 8. This is why I want surprised when gkrieg said I'm a Cylon (but I was surprised that he has the same power I have, apparently). I tried googling, but found nothing.
I have the ability each night to investigate someone, as I have said. And I got a result of "Cylon" on Jack. So if Cylon is scum, then either gkrieg is lying or scum has the ability to frame someone. And if Cylon is scum, you need to get rid of Jack.
I also have a single shot power that relates to the Executive Order deck - somewhat similar to what Jack claimed, but not exactly the same. I don't fully trust MiX (which is a bit concerning since he's the only one that can save me now), so I won't provide full details about it.
Here's the good one... I was actually in a neighbourhood with ash the first day - it seemed like it was permanent for the game, but gone now obviously. (I didn't want to reveal this while already under suspicion, as I could see that immediately getting me voted out... guess it didn't help). He claimed he was a 3rd party Cylon with a wincon similar to a Survivor. He also alluded to the fact that the Cylons vote was from him at the start of N1. So to me, I think this means he wasn't a lone survivor, but maybe a faction with other player(s) in it? When the discussions happened D1 about scum possibly not having a normal kill, I questioned him, since he was self-proclaimed Cylon. He told me he didn't have any kill abilities, but I'm not sure if I believe that.
I think that's all I've got. Is that enough of a full claim for you, MiX? I'll answer any questions you have.
PPE 9!!
I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?
I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?
So which is it - you say they have the same power, mathdude says they don't?
Either you're misinterpreting your "good authority" or you're lying, or mathdude is.
And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?
Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.
Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.
I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?
FOUND IT (emphasis mine):Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.
Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.
So, tell me again, how ash claimed 3rd party to you?
I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?
I'm not aware of any Hermes character from the show and googling didn't seem to help. Not sure why faust would make up a character, especially when in S1 I was a Cylon, I was just a # and no name (outside of my false claim). That said, I'm not sure what faking this gains mathdude.
I still don't believe that your PR wouldn't say anything at all about the type of result (it feels to me like doubling down on this, since it would now be hard for you to claim it told you Cylon or not like gkrieg).
And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?
My last question here I think is timeline? You said you had the neighborhood D1, but that ash said something about N1? How could he do that on D1? or am I misunderstanding your timeline here?
I'm guessing mathdude is another Cylon Extremist and maybe their win condition is something liek eliminate all humans (which would explain the utility of his PR to his win con)
Math, why didn't you claim the QT thing SoD2?
And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?
FOUND IT (emphasis mine):Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.
Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.
So, tell me again, how ash claimed 3rd party to you?
Math, why didn't you claim the QT thing SoD2?
Same reason I didn't claim result on Jack SOD2... the moment I logged in, I was under fire from gkrieg's result on me, which we finally now are fairly certain only detects species. If I claimed result on Jack right away, it would probably have put me more under fire (and cop result of unknown value i would rather have waited another day or two to claim to try and figure it out).
So also if i mentioned a connection to ash right after it was said I'm a Cylon... I just didn't want to raise more alarms. I was hoping the result on me would blow over when it would be seen that it's likely just detecting species. In hindsight, maybe I should have shared this ash QT right away (I don't regret holding onto the Jack result... that was the right move).
Wow, lots going on. First thoughts...
Dual alignment seems weird. Ash being the only death at night, being non-town, likely means it's not his faction who killed him. So either Vig or other scum-type group. Ash's alignment does seem scummy though, but they didn't kill. Do they not have a kill or was a doctor, RB, or something else effective?
There's a lot to respond to. I will try to get to some of it tonight. I'll be fully caught up tomorrow.
Vote: mathdude
I will probably post a barrage of responses to specific posts over the next couple hours, since there's a lot I want to reply to. They are responses specific to the quoted posts, but with an awareness of everything that has been posted to date.Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
It makes sense ash didn't flip town, and you were agreeing with him... because you're aligned with him?
And you want everyone to claim whether they used Vigil ability because... it helps town? It helps your faction? Or helps your personal character arc?
I will say I didn't. But I won't say whether I could have or not.
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.
I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?
And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?
FOUND IT (emphasis mine):Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.
Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.
So, tell me again, how ash claimed 3rd party to you?
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?
MiX, if your play and questions didn't sound like town genuinely trying to figure things out since you said trust me, this would make me very skeptical about you. Since you have sounded townier, it mainly makes me question your source's credibility/honesty/loyalty if it was something like a QT with another player rather than mod-revealed info through a power. And if that's the case, I'm not sure keeping the source hidden is pro-town. Not telling you what to do, but just my thoughts.
I suggest trusting me right now.
The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.
I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.
You want MiX to trust you, but you are still holding back part of your role, apparently. What is the relevance of you trusting him?
Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?
Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?
Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?
From what I understand, if math's telling the truth, all of the cylon extremists are separated like this, and they need to find each other. That's my theory right now.
Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?
I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.
Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?
I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.
Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?
From what I understand, if math's telling the truth, all of the cylon extremists are separated like this, and they need to find each other. That's my theory right now.
Possibly, although a traitor that has their own thing going on until recruited could make some sense too. Although usually targeting a traitor with the nk is how you recruit them, so if scum shot ash, I would have expected a traitor to be recruited, not killed. Unless it was less of a recruit and more of an "activate," which would sound similar to something from season 1.
If the extremists are separated and need to signal each other but each can move the cylons vote independently, maybe one or more of the votes were meant to indicate "I, the person that just got voted for randomly" am one of you. Didn't someone completely random, like swowl, get that vote on them at one point today?
ppe 2
Math, why didn't you claim the QT thing SoD2?
Same reason I didn't claim result on Jack SOD2... the moment I logged in, I was under fire from gkrieg's result on me, which we finally now are fairly certain only detects species. If I claimed result on Jack right away, it would probably have put me more under fire (and cop result of unknown value i would rather have waited another day or two to claim to try and figure it out).
So also if i mentioned a connection to ash right after it was said I'm a Cylon... I just didn't want to raise more alarms. I was hoping the result on me would blow over when it would be seen that it's likely just detecting species. In hindsight, maybe I should have shared this ash QT right away (I don't regret holding onto the Jack result... that was the right move).
This is not true.Wow, lots going on. First thoughts...
Dual alignment seems weird. Ash being the only death at night, being non-town, likely means it's not his faction who killed him. So either Vig or other scum-type group. Ash's alignment does seem scummy though, but they didn't kill. Do they not have a kill or was a doctor, RB, or something else effective?
There's a lot to respond to. I will try to get to some of it tonight. I'll be fully caught up tomorrow.Vote: mathdude
Your first post was before gkrieg's first post.
Math, why did you not out your QT with ash SoD2?
Math, what's your power related to XOs?
You haven't answered the second question, and I pulled up some posts regarding the first question, so, can you clarify what happened SoD2, from your perspective?
Math, why did you not out your QT with ash SoD2?
Math, what's your power related to XOs?
You haven't answered the second question, and I pulled up some posts regarding the first question, so, can you clarify what happened SoD2, from your perspective?
I don't think it's helpful to share my XO power with you... whether I stay alive or not. I've shared a few hints, but I won't share any more. You already seem to have a lot of power... your PRs and the presidency role. I sure hope you're town, but if you're not, I don't want you to know (also, if you're not town, I think this is all pointless banter, as you've already decided to let me die then... and you're just using it to try to get more info for yourself).
Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?
Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?
I don't know. I received a link to it at the start of D1.
Maybe that was his 1-shot or 2-shot power? No idea.
Math, why did you not out your QT with ash SoD2?
Math, what's your power related to XOs?
You haven't answered the second question, and I pulled up some posts regarding the first question, so, can you clarify what happened SoD2, from your perspective?
I don't think it's helpful to share my XO power with you... whether I stay alive or not. I've shared a few hints, but I won't share any more. You already seem to have a lot of power... your PRs and the presidency role. I sure hope you're town, but if you're not, I don't want you to know (also, if you're not town, I think this is all pointless banter, as you've already decided to let me die then... and you're just using it to try to get more info for yourself).
What's the point of keeping your power hidden to the grave?
One of the weirdest parts of this is Ash just claiming all of that to you. That seems like the least Ash thing ever. Not saying he didn't or that you're lying, mathdude, but I just feel like there has to be a reason he would have trusted you with all that info, and in any case I don't see 3rd party Ash trusting town with that...Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?
I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.
Did Ash do anything like claiming all that stuff at any point in season one in that QT, but especially D1, if you can talk about it?
Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?
From what I understand, if math's telling the truth, all of the cylon extremists are separated like this, and they need to find each other. That's my theory right now.
Possibly, although a traitor that has their own thing going on until recruited could make some sense too. Although usually targeting a traitor with the nk is how you recruit them, so if scum shot ash, I would have expected a traitor to be recruited, not killed. Unless it was less of a recruit and more of an "activate," which would sound similar to something from season 1.
If the extremists are separated and need to signal each other but each can move the cylons vote independently, maybe one or more of the votes were meant to indicate "I, the person that just got voted for randomly" am one of you. Didn't someone completely random, like swowl, get that vote on them at one point today?
ppe 2
One of the weirdest parts of this is Ash just claiming all of that to you. That seems like the least Ash thing ever. Not saying he didn't or that you're lying, mathdude, but I just feel like there has to be a reason he would have trusted you with all that info, and in any case I don't see 3rd party Ash trusting town with that...Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?
I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.
Did Ash do anything like claiming all that stuff at any point in season one in that QT, but especially D1, if you can talk about it?
Swowl, did you switch characters?
I wonder then if ash (as chief) always has a QT with some version of number 8. (you were Boomer S1, no?)
I was voted for at the request of MiX, yes.
I was voted for at the request of MiX, yes.
I think Dylan means in D1. Can you confirm that Dylan?
I was voted for at the request of MiX, yes.
I think Dylan means in D1. Can you confirm that Dylan?
Also i don’t think they voted me day 1?
Day 2 Final Vote Countmathdude (7): scolapasta, LaLight, Jack Rudd, Swowl, MiX, Dylan32, gkrieg13
Jack Rudd (4): Glooble, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
EFHW (1): Cylons
scolapasta (1): EFHW
Not Voting (0)
With 12 alive, it took 7 to exile. Twilight ends in about 7.5 hours.
I also have a single shot power that relates to the Executive Order deck - somewhat similar to what Jack claimed, but not exactly the same. I don't fully trust MiX (which is a bit concerning since he's the only one that can save me now), so I won't provide full details about it.
FWIW, I think math is most likely town.
- passive, manipulative, miscellaneous
- 1-shot, Day, investigative, miscellaneous
- investigative
- investigative
- 1-shot, blocking
Course to Kobol
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.
MiX! Did you do the dance of catching scum??
MiX! Did you do the dance of catching scum??
Sadz for e. :(
LL can you help Scola?? Scola any idea how you got poisoned?
Hmmmm…..
The cylons still have a vote do there has to be one more.
but only if he chooses course to Kobol!!
fun!
But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?
fun!
Great, I'm already slowly regretting my decision.
Let it be known that I don't think this was the pro-town XO. And it definitely was not the pro-me one. But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?
But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?
wise words from a wise person.
how do you know it's not pro town/you if we don't know what it does?
fun!
Great, I'm already slowly regretting my decision.
Let it be known that I don't think this was the pro-town XO. And it definitely was not the pro-me one. But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?
you already had a pro-you, let us all have fun!
I would have lost lost if I had made a bet this round. I’d have thought pro-you was the call.
Course to KobolWe must find our ancient home. This is the mission the government set out.
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.
Hmmmm not happy about the immediate volunteering from Dylan.
Very glad that math was some kind of scum.
Anyone know what this XO may entail?
Hmmmm not happy about the immediate volunteering from Dylan.
Very glad that math was some kind of scum.
Anyone know what this XO may entail?
i geel so happy about what's happening! maybe it's because i'm pretty happy irl but it seems so fun and I think that we are on a winning streak, having exile two non-towns.
i geel so happy about what's happening! maybe it's because i'm pretty happy irl but it seems so fun and I think that we are on a winning streak, having exile two non-towns.
Well, only one, let's not get too excited now.
We are in a...pretty good position though, yeah. There can't be so many people against town left, right?
Does gkrieg have another result?!
Does gkrieg have another result?!
Does gkrieg have another result?!
Nope. I could investigate until I found a Cylon and then I lost the power.
but only if he chooses course to Kobol!!
They literally did not both have a 1-shot day investigative misc ability. I kinda don't want to read the rest of that post knowing that.
Uhm, okay…. So, major stall.
I don’t see that Swowl is saying much worth noting (sorry!) mostly because his final conclusions are ones that we’d already gotten to.
It is a bummer that LL and Dylan just signed up and shipped off. LL is still a pretty big scum read for me, and if he is the last cylon he’s protected himself. I wonder if he’s on Kobol, if he is the last cylon, can he still control the vote??
I’m also casting some side eye at EFHW who was anti-eliminate cylons, but that’s just in the hopper with some other swirling ideas right now.
Interesting that e was brigged last night rather than gkrieg. Seems weird as a scum move, but what do I know?
EFHW, do you know if you’re a cylon this game?
Interesting point about the quickness to go to Kobol. That also explains why LL was pressuring MiX to choose it, while I’m still confused now LL knew that it was available to MiX.
MiX - why are you so confident that GK is Town?
vote: Jack
I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.
vote: Jack
I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.
Further, it felt like math's frustration was more because he thought he was caught for the wrong reasons.
vote: Jack
I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.
Further, it felt like math's frustration was more because he thought he was caught for the wrong reasons.
If math actually saw Jack as a cylon, he would be the last person he would call a cylon.
vote: Jack
I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.
Further, it felt like math's frustration was more because he thought he was caught for the wrong reasons.
If math actually saw Jack as a cylon, he would be the last person he would call a cylon.
It's possible that the red scum are also Cylons, and that math was trying to get towncred by outing a Cylon from the other team.
It's possible that the red scum are also Cylons, and that math was trying to get towncred by outing a Cylon from the other team.
If he thought Jack was scum, he would've said his PR made him scum. If he's lying, might as well go all out.
The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.
The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.
I get what you are saying, but the way math was presenting his result made it seem like Jack is likely scum. I think that we very likely have multiple scum teams, judging by the yellow color of the scum team so far.
Math actually had some of the abilities that he claimed. He had an investigative power, as well as a QT with ash. I think it makes sense that he had an actual result on Jack.
Also how were ash and MiX picked as the president and admiral?
I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.
I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.
The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.
I get what you are saying, but the way math was presenting his result made it seem like Jack is likely scum. I think that we very likely have multiple scum teams, judging by the yellow color of the scum team so far.
Math actually had some of the abilities that he claimed. He had an investigative power, as well as a QT with ash. I think it makes sense that he had an actual result on Jack.
I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.
Well, if we had brigged Jack and he was green, Math would have cooked his own goose, so I think there is some chance it was a real result because if we had acted on it, there would have been implications. Of course making it all up is plausible, too.
What if you do not have a result.
I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.
What if you do not have a result.
The accusations flew quickly after the plans of the Number Ones had been revealed. You cannot say that you are comfortable with this. Yes, the humans went after a group with arguably harmful intentions, but their logic is not sound. They swung the right way on this issue, but you are not ready to entrust your own safety to the flawed justice they deal out, simply because for once it happened to land on somebody deserving.
mathdude has been sent to the brig! They were Hermes, and they were Cylon Extremist-aligned. They had the following powers:Quote
- passive, manipulative, miscellaneous
- 1-shot, Day, investigative, miscellaneous
- investigative
What if you do not have a result.
Also you are asking one person "what if they do not have a result" and the other "give me an example of how Math's result was real". Where are you at on that one. I wanna say I have been reading you as believing that Math had no result, but this is confusing.
I don't think math's investigative ability caught scum. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though.
Although we don't actually know if he used his power, or whether he used it on me. (And whatever he did, once a bandwagon starts forming on him, he's going to try to direct people to the other bandwagon if he can.)
gkrieg, do you have any result from last night? Sorry if you already answered this.
Does gkrieg have another result?!
Nope. I could investigate until I found a Cylon and then I lost the power.
Swowl, didn't you yourself push the "Jack could be scum" theory? And Didds agreed? Unless you're all scum, there's town that believes in the idea. And the idea itself isn't very scummy. So why is putting that thought down scummy?
The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.
I get what you are saying, but the way math was presenting his result made it seem like Jack is likely scum. I think that we very likely have multiple scum teams, judging by the yellow color of the scum team so far.
Math actually had some of the abilities that he claimed. He had an investigative power, as well as a QT with ash. I think it makes sense that he had an actual result on Jack.
This is what I was getting at.
Like let's say you are Math and you are Skum Team A... and you have a result on Skum Team B player (Jack). That is literally a perfect situation (I mean aside from GK having a result on Math himself) ((which is also why GK is further down the town list for me potentially)).
But for real, both/either of these results could be Skum Team A having a result on Skum Team B. And if you were to assume that they are not working together, what would the reason be to not give that result. That is, as seen in this game, great town cred.
Although we don't actually know if he used his power, or whether he used it on me. (And whatever he did, once a bandwagon starts forming on him, he's going to try to direct people to the other bandwagon if he can.)
Swowl, didn't you yourself push the "Jack could be scum" theory? And Didds agreed? Unless you're all scum, there's town that believes in the idea. And the idea itself isn't very scummy. So why is putting that thought down scummy?
What if you do not have a result.
Also you are asking one person "what if they do not have a result" and the other "give me an example of how Math's result was real". Where are you at on that one. I wanna say I have been reading you as believing that Math had no result, but this is confusing.
I don't think math's investigative ability caught scum. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though.
Here’s the question….is Swowl just working things out, or is it scummy?
What if you do not have a result.
Also you are asking one person "what if they do not have a result" and the other "give me an example of how Math's result was real". Where are you at on that one. I wanna say I have been reading you as believing that Math had no result, but this is confusing.
I don't think math's investigative ability caught scum. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though.
Wouldn't he have come forward like gkrieg did, excited he found scum?
Here’s the question….is Swowl just working things out, or is it scummy?
I feel like you are trying to make Swowl look scummy, as opposed to really thinking he is scummy.
vote: Didds
I feel powerful.
vote: Jack Rudd
I feel powerful.
vote: Jack Rudd
Is this meant to be mysterious?
Glooble! Good to see you!
Why Jack?
Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.
Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.
I'm also kind of interested in the fact that Cylons aren't voting right now.
You really think my scum strategy is to say I’m a cop D2 completely unprompted and force an exile on my target for some very small town points instead of just letting the day play out normally?
I can agree that my case on Jack isn’t great. I just haven’t seen a better direction to go yet.
Wouldn't he have come forward like gkrieg did, excited he found scum?
Yes.
Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.
All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.
Maybe Cylons only start voting once enough people have started voting.
*snip*
Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.
All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.
Maybe Cylons only start voting once enough people have started voting.
*snip*
Day 1 Cylon first Vote count seen:
Vote Count 1.10
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (7): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble
No Exile (1): LaLight
Not Voting (2): Dylan32, gkrieg13
That is 12/14 players.
Day 2 Cylon First Vote Count:
Vote Count 2.3
LaLight (1): MiX
MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (3): gkrieg13, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds
Jack Rudd (2): 2.71828....., mathdude
Dylan32 (1): scolapasta
gkrieg13 (1): Cylons
Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, Glooble
That is 8/12 players voting.
Given we had 4/8 voting at the most previous VC, and currently have 6/8 voting... I find that unlikely.
Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.
All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.
What was your win con?
Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.
All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.
In the players list for that game, Jack is Leoban Conoy. I'll check the flip.
The D1 wagon is proof that math wanted to claim to control the cylon vote after his death. There's no way he would've done that unless he did control it. So, I think it's fine to say that the cylon vote will never move again.
I'm also kind of interested in the fact that Cylons aren't voting right now.
I think we should not discuss this interesting fact for the time being.
It’s not that exiling me is pro-town exactly, but it’s better than exiling a random townie. I have an ability that triggers if I’m exiled. It’s kinda useful but not that useful. I don’t think it’s helpful for me to say more than that.
You really think my scum strategy is to say I’m a cop D2 completely unprompted and force an exile on my target for some very small town points instead of just letting the day play out normally?
I can agree that my case on Jack isn’t great. I just haven’t seen a better direction to go yet.
Your case on Jack is that flipped skum (Math) could of actually had an ability to check other skum and found them (Jack).
My case on you is that unknown player (GK) could be skum that had the ability to check other skum and found them (Math).
These are essentially the same thing.
Then, your defense is that you would not come out the way you did because small town cred and why do that. Fair. And this is where I admit that my case is also not the best.
However, this pretty much perfectly summarizes why I think you are more likely skum than Jack.
Wouldn't he have come forward like gkrieg did, excited he found scum?
Yes.
Because of the hedge that Math took on Jack, I think it is EXTREMELY unlikely that Jack was copped as skum.
As to why you would play it that way - No clue. However, it is also strange for you to play it that way as ANY alignment, so not a super valid argument.
So there is all that, and then the fact that you continue to defend your stance on Jack. I think from a Town POV you should of by now come around to the same thing I came around to, which is "Math would NOTTTT hedge like that if they actually had a result on Jack".
I'm also kind of interested in the fact that Cylons aren't voting right now.
I think we should not discuss this interesting fact for the time being.
Why not? (and don't you proceed to discuss it a few posts down??)
If we could find out who NKed ashersky, I think we would know a lot more about the situation than we do now.
That I do not, unless someone has a power they haven't told us about.
If we could find out who NKed ashersky, I think we would know a lot more about the situation than we do now.
Ideas about how that can be accomplished?
Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.
All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.
In the players list for that game, Jack is Leoban Conoy. I'll check the flip.
What flip?
I was only told my number, I assume the same was true for Dylan and Jack, and that Jack just used his BSG knowledge to provide more detail. But they can confirm.
(which seems different from this game, since mathdude was given both a number and a name and flipped with his name, not his number)
No point in exiling scola if he’s gonna die anyway, right? What incentive does he have to claim?
The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.I agree
My gut tells me scola is scum. Just purely mechanically, the radiation poisoning and the fact he didn't tell LL to pick him is pretty incriminating. It's unlikely, but it is possible that you need to be poisoned to do the faction kill. So I would really want to pressure scola into actually claiming things.
But I want to ask everyone instead: should scola claim his radiation action?
Leoban Conoy is the name of a cylon. He's cylon-aligned. It would be very hard for Leoben to not be cylon.Thx
Also, Jack swapped characters, to Ellen, I think?
The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.
The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.
My gut tells me scola is scum. Just purely mechanically, the radiation poisoning and the fact he didn't tell LL to pick him is pretty incriminating. It's unlikely, but it is possible that you need to be poisoned to do the faction kill. So I would really want to pressure scola into actually claiming things.
But I want to ask everyone instead: should scola claim his radiation action?
The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.
wait wait wait wait wait. No clue how I missed this op before (this is a joke):
What ifffffff.... we all vote in italics for LL and/or Dylan and then Tomorrow whentheir timeline is activethey are back, we can pursue that vote. Ha.
100% agree on the scummy scum LL and Dylan leaving deflated our day. When I was piddling around this afternoon I thought over no exile. I didn’t come to any good conclusions about that. I’m just feeling really sure that they are scum and most of us are not.
I had not thought much about Scola and the radiation poisoning, but that is interesting. I assume that if there is a town doc (but of don’t think LL is town…I need to keep working through that) that can cure it, there must be ways that town get poisoned.
100% agree on the scummy scum LL and Dylan leaving deflated our day. When I was piddling around this afternoon I thought over no exile. I didn’t come to any good conclusions about that. I’m just feeling really sure that they are scum and most of us are not.
I had not thought much about Scola and the radiation poisoning, but that is interesting. I assume that if there is a town doc (but I don’t think LL is town…I need to keep working through that) that can cure it, there must be ways that town get poisoned.
Why do you think LL and Dylan are scum, other than their quick exits? It sounds like you actually believe LL is town.
I don't find shutting down discussion pro-town at all.
I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners
Nightmare team!
Nightmare for us probably. I think it would be difficult and awkward for us to still interact in game. I do look forward to that challenge one game, hopefully soon. But it's not this one.
I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners
Nightmare team!
Nightmare for us probably. I think it would be difficult and awkward for us to still interact in game. I do look forward to that challenge one game, hopefully soon. But it's not this one.
I don't think from their early interactions that MiX and math were partners.
I'm torn at the moment. I keep wavering on whether I think LL is scum. I think the initial post about wincon and no exile seemed townie. But some of the responses since then... not so much.
Personally, I'd love to vote for someone not helping us today (i.e. someone not actually posting much), but that would require a full swing of votes in the final 7 hours. But worse than that, it gives us nothing useful in the future. There would be almost no discussion or for/against.
I guess this means I support an exile of LL, since they are being partially scummy and it gives us the most interactions going forward.
I agree with MiX that a true scum alignment exists.
Disagree that lalight belongs to said scum alignment
I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.
I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.
I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.
scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.
scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.
vote: scolapasta
I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?
Just realized deadline is tomorrow. I think Jack townslipped when he thought he wasn't a Cylon anymore. Scum would have a lot more information, and he was scum last time. The Cylons are voting for Swowl now, I see. Delayed reaction? Maybe the person controlling that vote wasn't on between MiX's request and the previous vc.
mathdude having the same power as gkrieg is an odd coincidence. But I find scola scummier. I'll check in tomorrow morning and see if my vote is needed.
Glooble and WCD have been on Jack Yesterday and Today. Does someone want to reiterate the case on Jack?
I doubt there is another member of the Cylon extremists, so I guess looking at math's posts is not really that useful.
I reread Didds and unvote.
LL knew about Kobol because we were told in the OP for the day.
@gkrieg, what do you want to talk about?
I doubt there is another member of the Cylon extremists, so I guess looking at math's posts is not really that useful.
Why do you doubt this? I can easily imagine 1 more (but not necessarily, it's just doubt seems too strong).
I doubt there is another member of the Cylon extremists, so I guess looking at math's posts is not really that useful.
Why do you doubt this? I can easily imagine 1 more (but not necessarily, it's just doubt seems too strong).
It is likely a 3rd party, where we already had another 3rd party (lovers). With 3 cylon extremists, 2 lovers, and at least 3 mafia (likely, but unknown), we are left with 8 town, where possibly 2 of those town are lovers.
That leaves a minority as town, 6/14 (seeing as lovers are a kind of 3rd party), which does not seem right.
I forgot I even had that read. Given that math was scum. I can't really claim that scola shouldn't have pressured him. I'm feeling kind of at a loss rn. I would like to hear more from Glooble.Just realized deadline is tomorrow. I think Jack townslipped when he thought he wasn't a Cylon anymore. Scum would have a lot more information, and he was scum last time. The Cylons are voting for Swowl now, I see. Delayed reaction? Maybe the person controlling that vote wasn't on between MiX's request and the previous vc.
mathdude having the same power as gkrieg is an odd coincidence. But I find scola scummier. I'll check in tomorrow morning and see if my vote is needed.
EFHW, what are your feelings on scola now? You seemed to have a good reason to think they were scum Yesterday.
Doesnt that make your role at best net neutral?
@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.
@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.
As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.
But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.
@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.
As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.
But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.
* fail
Why would that happen?@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.
As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.
But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.
* fail
do you get sick when using said doses? like, when you try to cure someone with a dose.
Gkrieg feels off so far this game. Too quiet. /randomgutread
Vote: LaLight
I believe this is X-2
you of all people should know I'm town right now!
faust, I just read about all the flooding in Berlin? Are you and yours okay? I’m sending you good thoughts.Thank you, I am alright. The flooding hit mostly in the west of Germany really, all we got here was some quickly passing storms.
Why would that happen?@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.
As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.
But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.
* fail
do you get sick when using said doses? like, when you try to cure someone with a dose.
@scola, Do have the choice not to go out?
MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.
a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing
MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.
a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing
MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.
a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing
Is there a typo in here?
MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.
a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing
It's related to why I think you're scum.
I presume you weren't targeted by military last night then?
OK, there's the definitive Mix I know (and love).
Why am I scum? Just because I'm the first to even consider you?
OK, there's the definitive Mix I know (and love).
Why am I scum? Just because I'm the first to even consider you?
i.e OMGUS lite.
OK, there's the definitive Mix I know (and love).
Why am I scum? Just because I'm the first to even consider you?
i.e OMGUS lite.
That's what you did to me just now.
Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.
I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?
Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.
I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?
Yeah okay scola's scum.
So my thinking here is, we flip scola today, and if he flips scum, that's that, otherwise I claim tomorrow. Is that okay?
Yeah okay scola's scum.
So my thinking here is, we flip scola today, and if he flips scum, that's that, otherwise I claim tomorrow. Is that okay?
I am confused about what pasta said that makes you think he is skum and or a good flip for today?
1. If he is gonna die anyways is a horrible reason. For just, countless reasons. On both ends of the argument tbf.
2. You said you had a gut read and wanted the claim to sort things out. He claimed. Then you asked for more. Now you skum read him. Was there anything he could of said that would of changed your mind? Why bother with the theatrics?
PPE 2:
I am fenced on scola. Willing to take information into consideration. As it stands right now, not a fan of a pasta exile today.
Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.He said he can cure himself.
I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?
Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.He said he can cure himself.
I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?
OK, So I was waiting to claim for a few (related) reasons, basically hoping LaLight would come back. Because my role is essentially very similar to his (by the sounds of it) except it has restrictions.
So I need to first gather doses but to do that I need to go and risk getting sick. I may not succeed, sadly, which is what happened the first night, and I had to go back out the 2nd night. (so LaLight curing me wouldn't have helped me, anyway)
If I have successfully gathered any doses, I can cure radiation sickness.
My hope was to have LaLight cure me in order to validate his claim. Instead, as I now have 1 dose, I'll be able to validate my own claim instead, assuming I'm not exiled.
But that's why I was curious to hear more about the case on LL. I find it weird that he volunteered so quickly, leaving me to die (in his mind), and I suspect his role is a little more nuanced than just, he can cure radiation any night.
Yeah okay scola's scum.
So my thinking here is, we flip scola today, and if he flips scum, that's that, otherwise I claim tomorrow. Is that okay?
I am confused about what pasta said that makes you think he is skum and or a good flip for today?
1. If he is gonna die anyways is a horrible reason. For just, countless reasons. On both ends of the argument tbf.
2. You said you had a gut read and wanted the claim to sort things out. He claimed. Then you asked for more. Now you skum read him. Was there anything he could of said that would of changed your mind? Why bother with the theatrics?
PPE 2:
I am fenced on scola. Willing to take information into consideration. As it stands right now, not a fan of a pasta exile today.
His OMGUS on me was pretty scummy.
Thanks EFHW I missed that.
That's a great way to justify not dying. Did any military target scola N1?
I'll ISO scola's D3 and see if there's any inconsistencies.
Okay, that's a good cover story.
What else does that power do?
Thanks EFHW I missed that.
That's a great way to justify not dying. Did any military target scola N1?
I'll ISO scola's D3 and see if there's any inconsistencies.
How did you miss it? You're the one who asked me to claim and right after posted:Okay, that's a good cover story.
What else does that power do?
I think my radiation poisoning was the reason it got added to the deck.
Quit with the prodding! (though I get it)
I have radiation poisoning because I performed an action on N1 that exposed me. Not sure it benefits town or me yet to say what the action was, short of, in order to do a better more useful thing, I needed to go out into the irradiated zone first.
Not mentioning it was just misunderstanding that two nights meant the night I went out and the next night, not the next two nights. I planned on asking LL today to cure me.
I do find it weird that he so quickly offered to help me, then volunteered and went away, where we don't know if he'll be back in time to cure me. Worried it's a convenient way to dodge responsibility when I die, having gotten the credit for trying to save me.
@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.
As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.
But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.
No, they are two separate powers - one to go to irradiated area to try and get doses or separately, I can administer a dose, if I have one.
You've been voting for me since even before I claimed.
Thanks EFHW I missed that.
That's a great way to justify not dying. Did any military target scola N1?
I'll ISO scola's D3 and see if there's any inconsistencies.
How did you miss it? You're the one who asked me to claim and right after posted:Okay, that's a good cover story.
What else does that power do?
I skimmed it. You didn't explicitly say you could target yourself fwiw.
...
My hope was to have LaLight cure me in order to validate his claim. Instead, as I now have 1 dose, I'll be able to validate my own claim instead, assuming I'm not exiled.
...
I think my radiation poisoning was the reason it got added to the deck.
Why do you think this?
Quit with the prodding! (though I get it)
I have radiation poisoning because I performed an action on N1 that exposed me. Not sure it benefits town or me yet to say what the action was, short of, in order to do a better more useful thing, I needed to go out into the irradiated zone first.
Not mentioning it was just misunderstanding that two nights meant the night I went out and the next night, not the next two nights. I planned on asking LL today to cure me.
I do find it weird that he so quickly offered to help me, then volunteered and went away, where we don't know if he'll be back in time to cure me. Worried it's a convenient way to dodge responsibility when I die, having gotten the credit for trying to save me.
Why did you want to tell LL to heal you? Can't you heal yourself?
@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.
As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.
But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.
How did you get sick and get blocked at the same time?
No, they are two separate powers - one to go to irradiated area to try and get doses or separately, I can administer a dose, if I have one.
Can you administer infinite doses once you get one?
You've been voting for me since even before I claimed.
Exactly, so how in the world am I doing the OMGUS? You had a townread on me before I pushed you like this.
I'm on board killing scola, since he won't die at night.
Vote: scola for emphasis.
I see it like this: you're going to die. So...why not claim?
Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.
I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?
I'm on board killing scola, since he won't die at night.
Vote: scola for emphasis.
No, they are two separate powers - one to go to irradiated area to try and get doses or separately, I can administer a dose, if I have one.
Can you administer infinite doses once you get one?
No, I have to deal with finite amounts.
Before I claim, I would like to know what other PRs you have, scola.
I really will claim after you answer this, but I'm not gonna risk going all out until I know you're scum.
Are we doing a mass claim today? I’m game. Thought I’ve said everything about my role that’s relevant.
Are we doing a mass claim today? I’m game. Thought I’ve said everything about my role that’s relevant.
Are we doing a mass claim today? I’m game. Thought I’ve said everything about my role that’s relevant.
Why would we start a mass claim this late?
Okay since scola has completely dodged claiming first and he also provided a reason that he won't die tonight, I'll just claim.
Each night, I can cure someone from radiation poisoning
It's a bit more complicated than that, but given my power there is absolutely zero way scola's power also exists in this game. That just would not make any sense whatsoever.
The only way scola is town is if he has a much better power that he hasn't claimed. Which is why I wanted him to claim. Sadly, because of timezones and his refusal to claim, he will now know this, and can thus claim a powerful role to come with it.
This ability is the sole cause for me:
- Scumreading LL D1, since they claimed to have what I thought was the same power, and that felt really weird and I wanted further explanations.
- Why I was saying math and gkrieg have the same power, since at the time I thought me and LL had the same power too.
- Why I didn't talk about LL leaving scola to die, and wasn't visibly upset by it: I knew that if it was the right play, I would pick scola.
- It's also why I pushed scola and talked about how he was going to die; since I had leverage, I knew he wasn't actually going to die to radiation.
I would highly advise town to make scola claim, or kill him if he doesn't, while I sleep. I'll be up in 8 hours, maybe a bit earlier, so I'll be around for deadline, but deadline's very late for american times so I don't think I'll be here for the relevant part of EoD.
Vote: scola
Good night everyone.
It's just occurred to me that if I were scum, and knew neither LaLight or Scolapasta was, I might well have gotten rid of LaLight last night so as to try to create a two-in-one elimination. It might be meaningful that this didn't happen.
scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.
Can any military player confirm having targeted scola N1?
Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.
Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.
This ability is the sole cause for me:
- Why I was saying math and gkrieg have the same power, since at the time I thought me and LL had the same power too.
I will add, I'm not sure MiX is the lying one because of a few things:
I do have another power. I don't think it makes sense to claim it now.
And one noticeable difference between mine and MiX's description is that I can cure more than 1 in a night (assuming I have enough doses). The first night, in fact I tried to retrieve 6 doses, but failed. So on N2, I was much more conservative, and only tried to get 1. (there are only 9 doses available, and needed to leave some out there still, in case I failed).
(this is also why I still prefer no exile to exiling MiX)
scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.
This definitely relates to what I'm saying. My claim is just too complex and with too many moving parts to be made up as scum. And I can prove it true "tonight". Normally, of course, I could still be scum and just be telling the truth, but with two other claimed radiation doctors, it seems more likely that one of the other two is actually lying.
Given our win con - why is it so wrong to have multiple radiation docs?
scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.
And one noticeable difference between mine and MiX's description is that I can cure more than 1 in a night (assuming I have enough doses). The first night, in fact I tried to retrieve 6 doses, but failed. So on N2, I was much more conservative, and only tried to get 1. (there are only 9 doses available, and needed to leave some out there still, in case I failed).
scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.
No, he probably claimed this part because he has inside information about who targeted him. It's not really possible to know how much, but scum!scola wouldn't leave that to chance, I think.
If only Dylan were here to confirm this...
scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.
No, he probably claimed this part because he has inside information about who targeted him. It's not really possible to know how much, but scum!scola wouldn't leave that to chance, I think.
If only Dylan were here to confirm this...
What do you mean about Dylan being able to confirm something?
Why not ask Jack?
vote: scola. The multiple doses thing really doesn't track. The part about conservatively choosing only one the second time makes no sense if the only reason he failed the first time was that someone targeted him. The doses would have to disappear if you fail for this to matter.
If you live, I will heal you.
If you live, I will heal you.
Ha, what a joke. If i live, i don't need you to heal me, that's the whole point.
- protective
- radiation, miscellaneous
- manipulative
- passive,miscellaneous
- 1-shot, Day, miscellaneous
- passive, protective
- passive, miscellaneous
- protective
MiX is still listed as being able to vote. Is that an error?Yes, that was an oversight. Thanks, it's fixed now!
The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?
The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?
It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.
Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.
The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?
It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.
Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.
WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.Do you know what the remaining card is?
The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?
It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.
Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.
I think the public vote was likely MiX’s day power.
Special Counsel, if I've got it right.
WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.
Thoughts on mass claim?
WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.
That is incorrect. I threw out Prioritize and then Civilian jurisdiction. Still pro-MiX moves, but also not anti-military.
I really don’t want Jack to win because I think he has a higher-than-average chance of being scum. EFHW? gkrieg? Either of you planning to run for President, or will I have to do it myself?
WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.
That is incorrect. I threw out Prioritize and then Civilian jurisdiction. Still pro-MiX moves, but also not anti-military.
Good question. And there are two nights we haven't heard about from Jack - N2 and N3.
Wait hold on... how is this like "inconsistent?" Jack you get to see the discard pile right? How do you see something but that is not what happened?
I really don’t want Jack to win because I think he has a higher-than-average chance of being scum. EFHW? gkrieg? Either of you planning to run for President, or will I have to do it myself?
I'm military, so I'm waiting to hear faust's answer to my question.
If a military player nominates themselves are they also volunteering to give up their powers? I know refusing leads to a turning point. Does the military player still become president in that case?They still have the option to keep their powers and trigger a turning point. I cannot share what would happen in that case.
Edit:Yes.
If you enter the race, do you still get to cast a vote?
My memory was faulty; Insurrection was an N2 discard.Wouldn't you want to check your qt so you could give a correct and complete answer?
I think we should wait to see if we are going to do the double night thing before deciding on Mass Claim. If we do the double night thing... probably best to wait?
WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.
That is incorrect. I threw out Prioritize and then Civilian jurisdiction. Still pro-MiX moves, but also not anti-military.
Wait hold on... how is this like "inconsistent?" Jack you get to see the discard pile right? How do you see something but that is not what happened?
The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?
It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.
Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.
I think the public vote was likely MiX’s day power.
Didds, what are your thoughts about Swowl?
I think we should wait to see if we are going to do the double night thing before deciding on Mass Claim. If we do the double night thing... probably best to wait?
I don't think we should do the double night thing. That's a 2 town for one scum, if we happen to pick the right person. And we can't pick Dylan or LL. I'm thinking I would have 1/3 chance of picking scum from this group.
WCD - what happens if you do not pick the Special Counsel card. Do the other ones get re-shuffled? Or is it just no cards today?
My memory was faulty; Insurrection was an N2 discard.Wouldn't you want to check your qt so you could give a correct and complete answer?
WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.
N1 discards: Military Police Force, Special Counsel
N2 discards: Curfew, Insurrection, Prioritize
N3 discards: Civilian Jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One
Man, I've been seeing the list of discards in my QT all this time and only just twigged that the N2 list had seven cards in it. Counting, I am not good at it.
While I volunteered, Glooble might be a better choice since he's probably a civilian, and if not, he said his powers aren't very useful.
I had intended to post about why I chose my discards and I went back and looked at the QT to verify my choices…. The first error I assumed was an oversight and then there was a mischaracterization.
Then I went to my qt to verify… Jack is wrong and/or lying here. These were 100% not the N2 discards, and those couldn’t have been the N1 discards. This is not adding up. Special counsel is the card I have right now. If it was a N1 discard why do I have it, and moreover how did Jack predict that I had it if he thought it had already been discarded? He has three discards listed on N2 and that is not accurate either.N1 discards: Military Police Force, Special Counsel
N2 discards: Curfew, Insurrection, Prioritize
N3 discards: Civilian Jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One
Man, I've been seeing the list of discards in my QT all this time and only just twigged that the N2 list had seven cards in it. Counting, I am not good at it.
I think if there is remaining scum in this subgroup, it is Swowl.
Special Counsel, if I've got it right.
On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile
The following cards have been removed from the executive order deck:
Civilian Juristdiction, Curfew, Insurrection, Isolate Colonial One, Military Police Force, Presidential Pardon, Prioritize, Vigil
The following Night, each player that has been removed from the game may vote for a resolution that has been removed from the executive order deck, to put it back into the deck.
Day 4 begins! Thread unlocked!
Noone is the President of the Colonies.
WestCoastDidds is the Admiral of the Fleet.
Executive order deck: 0 in deck, 0 in discard, 1 drawn
Vote Count 4.0[/color]
Not Voting (7): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.
Because one of them's Insurrection, which has a discard-this-and-draw-a-new-card effect.On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile
Did you do anything with the discards….why are there 3?
I think if there is remaining scum in this subgroup, it is Swowl.
Not Jack? I will admit I’m getting het up about his discard deck errors so that can be coloring my vision. Why Swowl?
PPE: no, I’m not taking reshuffles into account because there shouldn’t have been a reshuffle until today. If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?
Because one of them's Insurrection, which has a discard-this-and-draw-a-new-card effect.On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile
Did you do anything with the discards….why are there 3?
If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?It was probably the only one left after the others were removed. The card removal was probably the turning point triggered by MiX's incapacitation.
If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?
Didds, am I correct that you see all the cards? Can you list them by Day?
Sigh.If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?
It was probably the only one left after the others were removed. The card removal was probably the turning point triggered by MiX's incapacitation.
Because one of them's Insurrection, which has a discard-this-and-draw-a-new-card effect.On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile
Did you do anything with the discards….why are there 3?
So Didds had 4 choices, then MiX had 3, and 1 was used?
I think it probably includes the players on their way to Kobol as well. But I think its very unlikely Dylan and LaLight are both scum, given that we had a nightkill. So it should still be even.
N1 discards: Military Police Force, Special Counsel
N2 discards: Curfew, Insurrection, Prioritize
N3 discards: Civilian Jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One
Man, I've been seeing the list of discards in my QT all this time and only just twigged that the N2 list had seven cards in it. Counting, I am not good at it.
I see three cards, and discard one.
N2: Prioritize, Insurrection, Presidential Pardon
I discarded prioritize because I didn’t want MiX to hamper military abilities
N3: Course to Kobol, Civilian jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One
I discarded civilian jurisdiction because I didn’t want MiX to hamper military votes
I'm good with no exile. There is a chance, don't know how big, that Dylan and LL are both scum and wanted a free town exile. Probably not, since they were so overt about it, but who knows. I don't have a compelling case on anyone right now.
vote: no exile
vote: scola. The multiple doses thing really doesn't track. The part about conservatively choosing only one the second time makes no sense if the only reason he failed the first time was that someone targeted him. The doses would have to disappear if you fail for this to matter.
scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.
No, he probably claimed this part because he has inside information about who targeted him. It's not really possible to know how much, but scum!scola wouldn't leave that to chance, I think.
If only Dylan were here to confirm this...
What do you mean about Dylan being able to confirm something?
E-1, btw
Why not ask Jack?
Day 3 Final Vote Count
Jack Rudd (1): WestCoastDiddsscolapasta (5): MiX, Jack Rudd, Glooble, EFHW, Public
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
MiX (1): scolapasta
Not Voting (2): Cylons, gkrieg13
With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.
Also my computer decided to not be able to turn on today, so I’m pretty much dealing with that today.
Based on how votes went yesterday, I think that EFHW might also be resistance-aligned
I don't get that argument, gkrieg. If she were scum, she could have just missed the deadline and said "sorry I overslept". Bussing for the towncred is a risk I certainly wouldn't have taken there as scum.
Also my computer decided to not be able to turn on today, so I’m pretty much dealing with that today.
Based on how votes went yesterday, I think that EFHW might also be resistance-aligned
What? I made that exile happen when I could have safely let iy go to no exile.
faust, can the special counsel card be used on Dylan?Special Counsel, as any action, can only target players that are in the game at the time of enactment.
I don't get that argument, gkrieg. If she were scum, she could have just missed the deadline and said "sorry I overslept". Bussing for the towncred is a risk I certainly wouldn't have taken there as scum.
I think the fact that you are making the argument vs "sorry I overslept" is kind of the point.
The only way it would make any sense is if she had the control of the Cylons vote in order to GTD that that vote did not go to Scola. WCD, GK, and myself were all clearly out for the night and not coming back for DL.
However, I am pretty much sold that yellow team is the one that has/had the ability to control the Cylons vote... and for this to make sense, EFHW has to be red.
With the info we currently have, I find it unlikely that EFHW was bussing pasta there.
Glooble... what would have have been the riskiness of that move?
Swowl, was anyone bussing?
I need to catch up and get some thoughts together.Ok, but I'm probably dying tonight, which means another day like today tomorrow.
EFHW for prez is all I really have right now.
There isn't more to tell, really.
There isn't more to tell, really.
Is it that you have two votes? Do you get to use it every day?
What happens if we find the remaining scum in our group and LL and Dylan are still removed from the game?There is no way for me to answer that question other than by pointing to the town win condition:
You win when there have been 2 Days and Nights in a row without someone being removed from the game and there is at least one Town-aligned player left alive, or when Town is the biggest faction in the game when the game ends. You earn 5 points from winning.
There isn't more to tell, really.
Is it that you have two votes? Do you get to use it every day?
Every day. I can only cast the second vote once a day.
I need to decide by 3:45 today to discard Special Counsel or not.
What do y’all think? Ditch it or let the Pres decide?
I woke up too early, checked thread and thought, omg, scola is scum! So I voted. Then checked the vc and added the belated E-1. Then I thought, no one else is around. So I used one of my powers to sway the public vote.
Day 3 Final Vote Count
Jack Rudd (1): WestCoastDiddsscolapasta (5): MiX, Jack Rudd, Glooble, EFHW, Public
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
MiX (1): scolapasta
Not Voting (2): Cylons, gkrieg13
With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.
This is the order I would choose:
Swowl
Jack
Glooble
Didds
Gkrieg
This can only help us with Special Counsel, so I don't see that as a reason to hold off.
This is the order I would choose:
Swowl
Jack
Glooble
Didds
Gkrieg
This can only help us with Special Counsel, so I don't see that as a reason to hold off.
I think I agree with this order, except maybe the top three being Glooble, Jack, Swowl, but I think it doesn't really matter in the long run.
Course to Earth
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.
Dylan and LL need to move to the top of the claim list.
Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?
I'm not trying to answer for Dylan, but the way I read his explanation it is that it was a wincon requirement that they both be alive, rather than something that tied them together in death.
More thoughts about cylons....
If there is a cylon-extremist faction, it is probably made up of cylons. The "cylons" vote is definitely anti-town to me, and just by virtue of the hidden vote mechanism it suggests there is daychat among them. I am also assuming that the "cylons" vote comes from, you know, cylons. Dylan thinks that he might be a cylon, but he is not part of the cylon vote, but he doesn't actually know if he is a cylon or not.
gkrieg says math is a cylon. We don't know if he is voting with the "cylons" yet, but still, all in all, I think cylons are not good for us.
Holiday weekend, y’all, so I’m expecting low ability to participate.
Having read everything, I am still of the opinion that cylons are not good for us. I also think that if gkrieg’s cop power returns that kind of result, it must be significant in some regard. It seems pointless to have it as a power if the implication of a result is meaningless.
Vote: math
I’m not sold on the idea that math is scum, but I’m still mulling the idea that there might be lots of competing factions, so perhaps scum isn’t the point. I don’t have any good reason to think he’s town.
I still think we should exile a cylon. Math seems somewhat less scummy than Jack. But I think there is no way they are both town. The results, and the responses to them, are confusing to me.
scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.
scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.
vote: scolapasta
I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?
I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.
Whew! Thank you, faust. I’m glad you’re okay.
I was voting for gkrieg because I was annoyed at him for shutting down the LL discussion. There isn’t a real wagon there…just two rather rando votes. I think my vote was actually much better placed on
Vote: Jack
I do not have a case on Jack other than math’s result, which was obviously suspect, but he did have investigative powers so not entirely based on nothing. Moreover, while I can’t point to anything Jack has done that is scummy, I also can’t point to anything that is helpful. I recognize that helpful/not helpful is not a terrible impressive decision calculus, but that is where I’m at. I know it can be hard to get into a game when you don’t know quite how to go about it, but I find his lurking to be exactly in line with his first game scumplay.
I am curious about Scola. It is clear that he will die if he doesn’t get some cure, so we either wake up tomorrow with a flip, or he is still here and we know that there is either another curing doc or he doses himself. I’m willing to wait that out because more information will be revealed than would be if he was exiled.
His predicament leads me to think a no exile day wouldn’t be the worst. I’m not sure enough yet to advocate for it, but if he town and he’s going to perish, I’d rather not get it wrong and misexile someone so that we find ourselves tomorrow with a much smaller set of green team.
I just don’t have a strong enough sense or anyone else to risk losing them. Swowl and EFHW are slightly shady to me but only in the sense that I don’t feel us towncoring as strongly as we have in the past. Gkrieg and Glooble are hot and cold in terms of activity, but are generally helpful when they are here. I decided when I became the admiral to trust MiX. Our choices of XOs have generally tracked together and I think are pro-town choices with the exception of Kobol which I now see as not at all helpful, but that wasn’t MiX’s fault.,
Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.
I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?
I think that is right. I really do think we get more information about scola if he isn't exiled and we see if he actually has cures he can use or if LL comes back if he is actually willing to help or if we have another doc. If he survives, he can tell us more or we can exile him. I honestly don't see much downside to giving him another night. BUT...I know I miss things, so if there is a flaw in my thinking, please let me know.
I am cool with a Jack exile or no exile.
I don’t see the upside to exiling Scola. If he doesn’t cure himself, he dies. It’s like an exile we get for free! I do not have strong scummy or no vibes, but I’m not willing to trust MiX on exiling him now without more information.
I’m heading out for the afternoon/evening (happy weekend everyone!) so I’ll be around just before I go to bed tonight, but likely not at deadline.
Hmmm... I am not as sure as Swowl and Glooble that this is a bad case on face. (I'm not advocating, just thinking it through)
Scum narrative.... In the morning, the only people around were EFHW, Scola, and MiX. Jack was already voting for Scola. If EFHW is Scola's partner, it would make sense that she was up and wanted to see if he made it out alive. She can increase her credibility and create some distance between them by bussing Scola. It's an hour until deadline and no one is around because it is before dawn for WCD, Swowl, and gkrieg. The cylons vote hasn't moved...there is no else that can vote for scola who is awake. She can make that vote and be mostly sure that he would not be hammered.
I'm not sure that takes huge leaps of imagination. Really, the only question is does EFHW bus her partner in a situation where she can be fairly certain that they will not be exiled.
Glooble... what would have have been the riskiness of that move?
Dylan and LL need to move to the top of the claim list.
At a minimum one of them should be up on the list.
If they can verify they were "Removed" and were unable of messing with our actions last night, whichever one it is can even go after me, I don't care.
--snip--faust, can the special counsel card be used on Dylan?Special Counsel, as any action, can only target players that are in the game at the time of enactment.
Another random thought: I don't believe there's any chance scum was busing scola on that final wagon. If there had really been 5 people on the wagon, maybe, but the way things were going and the fact EFHW had to use two votes to make it happen, scum was off wagon.
Not to derail the claiming plan, but I'd really like to hear from both Dylan and LaLight as to why they immediately volunteered for the mission before there was any time for town to discuss who was going. Especially LaLight, given the whole "I can save scola! Bye!" situation.
sort of simplifies things.
I would like a confirmation that EFHW has won the presidency before claiming. But other than that I now have no issues at all.
sort of simplifies things.
I would like a confirmation that EFHW has won the presidency before claiming. But other than that I now have no issues at all.
This feels like stalling. Who is president doesn't matter. There is a town consensus on claiming and on you going first.
I think Dylan has a point about he and LL keeping each other honest and I don't care where in the order they are. Dylan and LL, did you also claim actions you took during previous nights?
Not to derail the claiming plan, but I'd really like to hear from both Dylan and LaLight as to why they immediately volunteered for the mission before there was any time for town to discuss who was going. Especially LaLight, given the whole "I can save scola! Bye!" situation.
yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)
Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.
I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.
Those are not scummy ideas.
1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.
2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.
LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.
yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)
Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.
I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.
Those are not scummy ideas.
1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.
2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.
LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.
I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.
To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?
yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)
Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.
Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.
I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.
Those are not scummy ideas.
1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.
2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.
LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.
I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.
To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?
Didn't notice. I'm multitasking work, and thought I had the thrust of what you were saying. I haven't seen the show. The green people have been human-aligned. I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. The red flip didnt say human resistance, so eh...I'm still thinking cylon, but it doesn't really matter. Resistance = bad. I can be wrong about that the cylons, obviously, but I am not sure what difference it makes unless you know one of us has a result that you are a cylon and you are trying to head it off.
Faust, what happens if the brigging vote resolves before the presidential election does?The player with the most presidential votes at the time becomes President, but cannot enact an Executive Order that Day.
I have to use my public vote power before the presidential election ends, if I am indeed most likely to be elected. I want to vote Swowl. It's a permanent vote. Reactions?
yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)
Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.
yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)
Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.
that... was the point, I'm sorry. experimented a bit with Awaclus' school of not telling your real reads. I do feel bad though :(
my scumread of you comes from your power and lovers wincon. I thought about lovers wincon as the one that can be winnable only by being town, but based on town wincon you can win as scum-lover and that pulled my strings
As to what difference it makes, to my eyes it is scummy to ignore the information that we have in order to continue pushing a narrative that cylons are inherently bad as opposed to all available evidence (and it's not exactly an inconsequential amount) points to, at least in terms of flavor, an inherently human resistance, because resistance-aligned humans absolutely are more likely than others to want to keep cylons at the top of the exile priority list.
yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)
Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.
that... was the point, I'm sorry. experimented a bit with Awaclus' school of not telling your real reads. I do feel bad though :(
my scumread of you comes from your power and lovers wincon. I thought about lovers wincon as the one that can be winnable only by being town, but based on town wincon you can win as scum-lover and that pulled my strings
I mean, yeah, the lover wincon is completely independent of any other wincon. It's literally just you and your lover have to be alive at the end of the game, and the existence of the lover alignment was tied to actions taken last game, not anything to do with this game. So that point is totally NAI.
On the power note, I'll talk about that when we get to us in the claiming order, but from your comment everyone can reason out that I have (and truthfully claimed since why would I purposely claim something that could be seen as scummy if I'm scum and could lie anyway) a role that could have positive utility if I were scum. I could see why you think what you apparently think, but there's a strong case for why this is actually better to be in town's hands/not as strong for a hypothetical scum role as the plain, non-faust modified version of the role. Also LL, if you look at my role again, it has a built in very safe fakeclaim that I could have gone with by just excluding the part that you are scumreading.
I'm not going to use the sway power. Swowl already has votes. I don't get the sense he will have a lot of defenders. Casting a permanent vote could become problematic and help scum if I become convinced later that Swowl is actually town.
keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?
I think this is a scum slip guys.
keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?
I think this is a scum slip guys.
As to what difference it makes, to my eyes it is scummy to ignore the information that we have in order to continue pushing a narrative that cylons are inherently bad as opposed to all available evidence (and it's not exactly an inconsequential amount) points to, at least in terms of flavor, an inherently human resistance, because resistance-aligned humans absolutely are more likely than others to want to keep cylons at the top of the exile priority list.
I am not continuing to push a narrative that cylons are inherently bad. --snip--
snipsnip
1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.
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--snip-- I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. --snip--
As to what difference it makes, to my eyes it is scummy to ignore the information that we have in order to continue pushing a narrative that cylons are inherently bad as opposed to all available evidence (and it's not exactly an inconsequential amount) points to, at least in terms of flavor, an inherently human resistance, because resistance-aligned humans absolutely are more likely than others to want to keep cylons at the top of the exile priority list.
--snip--
The last sentence you have there "resistance-aligned humans" is not in evidence.
--snip--
Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.
I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.
Those are not scummy ideas.
1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.
2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.
LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.
I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.
To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?
Didn't notice. I'm multitasking work, and thought I had the thrust of what you were saying. I haven't seen the show. The green people have been human-aligned. I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. The red flip didnt say human resistance, so eh...I'm still thinking cylon, but it doesn't really matter. Resistance = bad. I can be wrong about that the cylons, obviously, but I am not sure what difference it makes unless you know one of us has a result that you are a cylon and you are trying to head it off.
I am Ellen Tigh. I am human-aligned. I am civilian.
My powers are:
The passive ability to see at night what's in the discard pile. We all already know about that.
A one-shot ability to trash the entire discard pile. I have used it, because I thought it would be amusing to see what the consequences were.
A once-per-night ability to expose someone to radiation poisoning, which then protects them from any other actions that night. I have not used this at all.
What then was the turning point for MiX's incapacitation?I am Ellen Tigh. I am human-aligned. I am civilian.
My powers are:
The passive ability to see at night what's in the discard pile. We all already know about that.
A one-shot ability to trash the entire discard pile. I have used it, because I thought it would be amusing to see what the consequences were.
A once-per-night ability to expose someone to radiation poisoning, which then protects them from any other actions that night. I have not used this at all.
What does trash the discard pile mean? Is that why all those cards were removed at the start of today?
So Swowl ended the day voting for gkrieg and decided to get radiation poisoning and shoot Didds. If it was me, I'd have been not voting or voting no exile the day before I tried using the vig.
The human-aligned could have been a typo. 50/50 there.
Did you have some reason to think gkrieg wasn't human? His claimed power would suggest human > Cylon.
Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.
I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.
Those are not scummy ideas.
1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.
2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.
LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.
I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.
To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?
Didn't notice. I'm multitasking work, and thought I had the thrust of what you were saying. I haven't seen the show. The green people have been human-aligned. I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. The red flip didnt say human resistance, so eh...I'm still thinking cylon, but it doesn't really matter. Resistance = bad. I can be wrong about that the cylons, obviously, but I am not sure what difference it makes unless you know one of us has a result that you are a cylon and you are trying to head it off.
If people are going to call the "human-aligned" comment a scumslip, Didds used it first.
I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.
Does the removed power get removed from subsequent games as well?
I have to use my public vote power before the presidential election ends, if I am indeed most likely to be elected. I want to vote Swowl. It's a permanent vote. Reactions?
Presidential election results are in![/color]
EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0
EFHW has been elected President of the Colonies!
when there was an option to use powers from the last game, I also didn't have any. And also I'm military
So this is what we got so far. Feel free to update the BOLDED CONTENT...
*Snip* ---- missed this ----
Lalight is Military, therefore Dylan is Civilian.
So this is what we got so far. Feel free to update the BOLDED CONTENT...
*Snip* ---- missed this ----
Lalight is Military, therefore Dylan is Civilian.
Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?
Presidential election results are in![/color]
EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0
Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?
because that basically told me nothing. I didn't know scola was scum, so why he would has these maps was a mystery to me. I also didn't know scum was resistance aligned.
That actually make a lot of sense: if I gathered the info twice and I wouldn't know one of these people is scum, I wouldn't know what to do with this information; and now when I do know, one of them is already dead. Curious modification.
Then again it might be not a cop after all. I've no idea.
Also why am i an opposite of Dylan?
Presidential election results are in![/color]
EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0
One of us didn't vote
Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?
because that basically told me nothing. I didn't know scola was scum, so why he would has these maps was a mystery to me. I also didn't know scum was resistance aligned.
That actually make a lot of sense: if I gathered the info twice and I wouldn't know one of these people is scum, I wouldn't know what to do with this information; and now when I do know, one of them is already dead. Curious modification.
Then again it might be not a cop after all. I've no idea.
Also why am i an opposite of Dylan?
first military and first civilian to opt in go to kobol. lol did you not read it?
Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?
because that basically told me nothing. I didn't know scola was scum, so why he would has these maps was a mystery to me. I also didn't know scum was resistance aligned.
That actually make a lot of sense: if I gathered the info twice and I wouldn't know one of these people is scum, I wouldn't know what to do with this information; and now when I do know, one of them is already dead. Curious modification.
Then again it might be not a cop after all. I've no idea.
Also why am i an opposite of Dylan?
first military and first civilian to opt in go to kobol. lol did you not read it?
ah, that. i mean that sounded different like we had opposite powers or something
The following Executive Order has been enacted:QuoteCourse to KobolWe must find our ancient home. This is the mission the government set out.
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.
Today, each player may post Volunteer in the game thread. The first military player as well as the first player other than them to do this will be temporarily removed from the game, and gain access to a shared QT.
oh, one more thing I forgot to claim.
At one point we were both gathering info on Kobol and then I got a blurb in my personal qt about Earth being swallowed in the fire of nuclear war. Dylan didn't get it, I don't know what to make of it.
But I'd support "Course to Earth" card. I know I don't really have a say in it again :)
oh, one more thing I forgot to claim.
At one point we were both gathering info on Kobol and then I got a blurb in my personal qt about Earth being swallowed in the fire of nuclear war. Dylan didn't get it, I don't know what to make of it.
But I'd support "Course to Earth" card. I know I don't really have a say in it again :)
I was not; I voted for EFHW.Presidential election results are in![/color]
EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0
EFHW has been elected President of the Colonies!
Jack - were you the one vote?
Presidential election results are in![/color]
EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0
One of us didn't vote
LL, if Earth on fire was a vision, why would you expect Dylan to also have experienced it? And why would you have visions anyway?
Faust says my vote was valid, which means someone has vote-manipulating powers they are lying about.The power to negate one person's vote for president seems pretty weak.
Also, the cards are only removed from this game- future games are unaffected.
Faust says my vote was valid, which means someone has vote-manipulating powers they are lying about.The power to negate one person's vote for president seems pretty weak.
Also, the cards are only removed from this game- future games are unaffected.
did anything beneficial come from the trip?
You seem very confident LL is town.
How did yall decide not to "derail"? was it like a vote thing or what?
vote: math
Town vig kill this man if math flips town btw.
I know you exist, and you might not be town, but you might be listening to me, and you might even trust me.
I am still Dee. My night power is a tracker limited to civilian targets. If I expose myself to radiation, my tracking cannot be redirected, I'll find out what kind of action a civilian took, and I can track military targets. N1 I targeted MiX and got Dylan as the result. N2 I targeted Glooble and got no
result, which is consistent with his claim of taking no actions. N3 I exposed myself to radiation and targeted Didds. I got Swowl as the result. I now have radiation poisoning.
The Didds discrepancy is a problem. I wasn't redirected, but she claims to have taken no action N3. And Swowl does seem to have possibly been roleblocked. Or gkrieg was human. Or ....
Can anyone think of a scenario where Didds could be telling the truth?
I am still Dee. My night power is a tracker limited to civilian targets. If I expose myself to radiation, my tracking cannot be redirected, I'll find out what kind of action a civilian took, and I can track military targets. N1 I targeted MiX and got Dylan as the result. N2 I targeted Glooble and got no
result, which is consistent with his claim of taking no actions. N3 I exposed myself to radiation and targeted Didds. I got Swowl as the result. I now have radiation poisoning.
The Didds discrepancy is a problem. I wasn't redirected, but she claims to have taken no action N3. And Swowl does seem to have possibly been roleblocked. Or gkrieg was human. Or ....
Can anyone think of a scenario where Didds could be telling the truth?
gah. I hate that I thought of this.
Jailkeeper on Didds. They don't target me because resolution, and my kill doesn't go through.
The idea alone is not enough to make me change my mind, but I wanna put it out there.
wait that makes no sense. Efoo saw didds target me. Disregard me.
Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).
Though I think I have caught Didds in another lie. She said she was a bodyguard, but wanted me to use Special Counsel as a way to possible stay alive.
Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).
Though I think I have caught Didds in another lie. She said she was a bodyguard, but wanted me to use Special Counsel as a way to possible stay alive.
All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here. I have very little to go on to read them.
If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl. And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me. This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.
Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).
Though I think I have caught Didds in another lie. She said she was a bodyguard, but wanted me to use Special Counsel as a way to possible stay alive.
What is the lie there? The XO will tell you my alignment. There is no argument I can make because I didn’t take an action last night so I don’t know what is happening with your result. But I know my alignment and you all would, too, with the XO. It would make me an IC and attract the NK so EFHW would live another day.
who, other than EFHW is irradiated now?
Yes, but we also have Swowl. I believe he lied about his powers. The decision to shoot after being on gkrieg, a likely human given his power, is pretty questionable. We've only had one kill each night. I think the yellows might not have an nk. Swowl claimed a killing power, so he is more likely to be a red.
Yes, but we also have Swowl. I believe he lied about his powers. The decision to shoot after being on gkrieg, a likely human given his power, is pretty questionable. We've only had one kill each night. I think the yellows might not have an nk. Swowl claimed a killing power, so he is more likely to be a red.
I have explained this. And I think my reasoning is better than yours. That could be bias, but yea. I have nothing more to add about the choice. If I had to choose again, I am fairly certain I would do the same thing.
Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).
Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).I do not understand this at all.
You would have been notified.who, other than EFHW is irradiated now?
I think I am? I did not receive any blurbs or notifications about it though yet.
I should of been when I shot WCD according to my role though.
Yes, but we also have Swowl. I believe he lied about his powers. The decision to shoot after being on gkrieg, a likely human given his power, is pretty questionable. We've only had one kill each night. I think the yellows might not have an nk. Swowl claimed a killing power, so he is more likely to be a red.
I have explained this. And I think my reasoning is better than yours. That could be bias, but yea. I have nothing more to add about the choice. If I had to choose again, I am fairly certain I would do the same thing.
beginning of day 3. multiple posts. big one is #903.
also... you saw my explanation and then did not look back to see what I was talking about?I was also on phone.
also... you saw my explanation and then did not look back to see what I was talking about?I was also on phone.
I went back now. I see the case on gkrieg, which I remember I privately disagreed with. But you didn't say anything there about him being a Cylon.
- manipulative
- radiation, killing
More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.What are your thoughts?
Do we still want to kill Swowl?
More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.What are your thoughts?
Do we still want to kill Swowl?
More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.
Do we still want to kill Swowl?
efoo - I gotta drop 1. I can just list them out or...?Drop 1?
Right, the XOs. Please do tell us.efoo - I gotta drop 1. I can just list them out or...?Drop 1?
Thanks for the medical care, LL.
More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.What are your thoughts?
Do we still want to kill Swowl?
It might be safer to no exile and got for the "two days, two nights, no deaths" win con. The other option is "town is the dominant faction when the game ends" but we don't know what triggers the game ending in that case. It might not be eliminating all the scum.
I see Cylons can still vote.
Right, the XOs. Please do tell us.efoo - I gotta drop 1. I can just list them out or...?Drop 1?
Also, swowl, did you attempt to shoot last night?
More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.What are your thoughts?
Do we still want to kill Swowl?
It might be safer to no exile and got for the "two days, two nights, no deaths" win con. The other option is "town is the dominant faction when the game ends" but we don't know what triggers the game ending in that case. It might not be eliminating all the scum.
I like no exile.
Swowl why are you not irradiated?
Ok, I figured you did. I knew you probably targeted 1 of two people, and I wanted to see if you would go ahead and claim me or EFHW.
So here's the deal. Someone tried to shoot EFHW in addition to swowl trying to shoot me. By PoE with swowl claiming targeting me (and consequently most likely not secretly targeting 2 people at once with different abilities), I know who it was and I blocked it, and I can block them again tonight after we no exile today, guaranteeing town the victory with a no exile tomorrow.
I am actually separate not green/not red faction that just wants course to earth to be enacted. Swowl and EFHW enact course to earth today, I block the kill and guarantee town the win. I will also tell who the red scum is that tried to shoot EFHW as soon as the order passes just in case they do actually have an ability to circumvent my roleblock.
"How can we trust you?" you are almost certainly thinking. It's because I'm going to be completely honest. We do have another half of the wincon that mirrors town's be the dominant faction when the game ends. We could have tried to play for that, and if I had let scum kill EFHW, it might have been close, especially if there is another faction out there splitting up what is left of the "town." Instead, I offer town a definite mutual win.
You could decide to exile me instead since I'm not town, but then you are left with claimed (attempted) killer swowl and another scum who attempted to shoot EFHW. So after another night between the two of them, who knows where things will stand in terms of balance and control.
Ok, I figured you did. I knew you probably targeted 1 of two people, and I wanted to see if you would go ahead and claim me or EFHW.
So here's the deal. Someone tried to shoot EFHW in addition to swowl trying to shoot me. By PoE with swowl claiming targeting me (and consequently most likely not secretly targeting 2 people at once with different abilities), I know who it was and I blocked it, and I can block them again tonight after we no exile today, guaranteeing town the victory with a no exile tomorrow.
I am actually separate not green/not red faction that just wants course to earth to be enacted. Swowl and EFHW enact course to earth today, I block the kill and guarantee town the win. I will also tell who the red scum is that tried to shoot EFHW as soon as the order passes just in case they do actually have an ability to circumvent my roleblock.
"How can we trust you?" you are almost certainly thinking. It's because I'm going to be completely honest. We do have another half of the wincon that mirrors town's be the dominant faction when the game ends. We could have tried to play for that, and if I had let scum kill EFHW, it might have been close, especially if there is another faction out there splitting up what is left of the "town." Instead, I offer town a definite mutual win.
You could decide to exile me instead since I'm not town, but then you are left with claimed (attempted) killer swowl and another scum who attempted to shoot EFHW. So after another night between the two of them, who knows where things will stand in terms of balance and control.
LaLight, do you have any idea what course to earth might do?
Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions.
And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.
I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.
So just to be clear from the Believers - you have 2 win cons, and one is EXACTLY the same as ours?
Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions.
why do you know this but LL doesn't seem to?
LaLight, do you have any idea what course to earth might do?
no, I don't. But I think it might be somewhat beneficial to town, because we had options to sabotage this mission and surely scum would do just that.
And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.
I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.
Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.
Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.
I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.
Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.
What do you Believe in?
Swowl, are you yellow? If so, what is your wincon? Do you have motivation not to pass Course to Earth on to me?
Dylan - How are you going to win with us?
We off the last baddie.
No exile, No kill X 2.
Game ends.
There are currently 7 alive. 1 baddie, 2 believers, 4 town.
That leaves 4 town and 2 believers. Town has the largest faction at game end.
What am I missing?
And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.
I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.
Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.
Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.
I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.
Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.
What do you Believe in?
We can just exile gkrieg.
I don't think no exile is the safest bet. So far we have only seen red having a killing power. How do we know they don't have a strongman? Or a roleblocker for you? Or a rolestopper. Or redirection. Best by far is to get rid of the danger and then have accelerated days and nights.
I'm uncomfortable with your reasoning here. Why be so set on no exile?
And if you and Jack disappear, you might not be able to block anyone overnight.
I'm irked by you trying to dictate all the terms.
Also, like I said in a later post, I got a mod correction indicating I did actually block 3 abilities last night, not just two, which means whatever 2nd ability Red (again unless it was actually swowl) has, I was able to block it.
also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.
We can just exile gkrieg.
You think it's me over glooble?
also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.
also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.
You still have like a little under a day or whatever, but just a reminder.
Also, like I said in a later post, I got a mod correction indicating I did actually block 3 abilities last night, not just two, which means whatever 2nd ability Red (again unless it was actually swowl) has, I was able to block it.
wait I'm lost. How could it be me? I tried to shoot you.
Dylan, you haven't addressed our concern that Course to Earth will remove you two from the game - maybe even before you can give us the name - and we will not have you to do any blocking. We are all taking risks here. If you want us to risk sending you to earth, you need to give us the name first.
Dylan, you haven't addressed our concern that Course to Earth will remove you two from the game - maybe even before you can give us the name - and we will not have you to do any blocking. We are all taking risks here. If you want us to risk sending you to earth, you need to give us the name first.
If you would agree to post at the same time on the forum, I would be willing to do that too. You do have my word that I have seen nothing to indicate we would leave the game. I mean LL can confirm, the flavor from Kobol suggested that we were reporting back our information about earth to the group, not just collecting it for ourselves or anything. Based on text I can't quote, I do believe we can achieve the course to earth win condition before the game ends, which at least means enacting it isn't a game over moment.
Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.
PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.
I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?
Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.
PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.
I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?
Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.
PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.
I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?
So what of your original claim was fake, and what was true Dylan?
Just to clarify, you said target: X and Swowl. You got the result: Dylan, EFHW. The 3rd blocked action is from either X or Swowl and targeted either me or you.
What is the reason you decided Swowl was not the person who tried to shoot me?
who has the ability to put something from discard back into the deck?
Swowl, do you have radiation poisoning?
Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.
PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.
I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?
That seems super unlikely. Have to look back if MiX claimed targeting you.Swowl, do you have radiation poisoning?
Not to my knowledge.
And I have clarified the following...
1. I do still get it if I fail
2. Failed actions resolve at the end
So I think whatever WCD targeted me with blocked me from taking an action... because I am not irradiated.
i think Glooble is red.
i think Glooble is red.
Can you tell us why?
That seems super unlikely. Have to look back if MiX claimed targeting you.Swowl, do you have radiation poisoning?
Not to my knowledge.
And I have clarified the following...
1. I do still get it if I fail
2. Failed actions resolve at the end
So I think whatever WCD targeted me with blocked me from taking an action... because I am not irradiated.
and the fact he isn't very active, maybe waiting how we would play this out. I also lean on Swowl being town and gkrieg is probably a yellow one
and the fact he isn't very active, maybe waiting how we would play this out. I also lean on Swowl being town and gkrieg is probably a yellow one
I would be the worst yellow player to every exist.
and the fact he isn't very active, maybe waiting how we would play this out. I also lean on Swowl being town and gkrieg is probably a yellow one
I would be the worst yellow player to every exist.
I think it is likely that the yellow faction has been eliminated and that the Cylon vote is just still there so that we don't know they have been eliminated.
But not helpful. It's more prudent to proceed as if they still exist.I think it is likely that the yellow faction has been eliminated and that the Cylon vote is just still there so that we don't know they have been eliminated.
this seems quite plausible
Just to clarify, you said target: X and Swowl. You got the result: Dylan, EFHW. The 3rd blocked action is from either X or Swowl and targeted either me or you.
What is the reason you decided Swowl was not the person who tried to shoot me?
Your first two sentences are what I said initially. When I went back to my QT to double check win condition wordings after Swowl asked about it, I noticed a note that my results actually should have been EFHW, Dylan, Jack.
Lalight, what led you to disagree with me here?We can just exile gkrieg.
You think it's me over glooble?
I was thinking that a human resistance group would like to have a cylon detector. And thanks to Swowl (sorry I doubted you Swowl!), we know you are human. Unless someone wants to claim blocking Swowl or protecting Didds N3.
PPE: 5
If course to earth is enacted, we could in theory win with anyone, but once it's done I will want the game to end as fast as possible, which means blocking kills and letting it end the next day, which is a town win.
Also, I received a correction to my results. Another name was added to the list of targets I protected, which means between my two targets, 3 people were targeted by abilities that were blocked, I have no idea what ability targeted which person, but it's almost certain that the 3rd target was not the kill since it was Jack.
ppe 2
Lalight, what led you to disagree with me here?We can just exile gkrieg.
You think it's me over glooble?
I was thinking that a human resistance group would like to have a cylon detector. And thanks to Swowl (sorry I doubted you Swowl!), we know you are human. Unless someone wants to claim blocking Swowl or protecting Didds N3.
PPE: 5
Just to clarify, you said target: X and Swowl. You got the result: Dylan, EFHW. The 3rd blocked action is from either X or Swowl and targeted either me or you.
What is the reason you decided Swowl was not the person who tried to shoot me?
Your first two sentences are what I said initially. When I went back to my QT to double check win condition wordings after Swowl asked about it, I noticed a note that my results actually should have been EFHW, Dylan, Jack.
Can you address my last question? I looked back at your original explanation and didn't understand how you came this conclusion.
If course to earth is enacted, we could in theory win with anyone, but once it's done I will want the game to end as fast as possible, which means blocking kills and letting it end the next day, which is a town win.
Also, I received a correction to my results. Another name was added to the list of targets I protected, which means between my two targets, 3 people were targeted by abilities that were blocked, I have no idea what ability targeted which person, but it's almost certain that the 3rd target was not the kill since it was Jack.
ppe 2
Why would you want the game to end quickly? Does one of you need to be alive at the end of the game?
Hence why I offered to let myself die from the radiation poisoning after tomorrow night if things don't go the way I said they will.
So you had 3 wincons at the start of the game?
also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.
I think you should pass on Course to Earth and Isolate Colonial One.
Cool. Has swowl passed you the cards yet?I haven't received them. faust is probably asleep.
By pass on, I mean send to me and drop Special Counsel.
I can do 4:30 pm forum time today.
So hit submit on course to earth and posting the name respectively at 5:18 forum time?
Glooble's check-in posts after I shared all this stuff was interesting because they were the only one that confidently tried to say voting swowl or the other person was not the right move.
Just know, if you didn't actually enact it, I will literally never trust you in a game like this again, even if you are mod confirmed IC lol.😪
Just know, if you didn't actually enact it, I will literally never trust you in a game like this again, even if you are mod confirmed IC lol.😪
I did do it.
We’re screwed. I don’t think my brig posting is going to matter because I don’t think Dylan would lie this blatantly unless it won him the game on the spot. So I think we’ve probably already lost.
I really thought it was gkrieg! Had a case and everything.
I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.
I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.
Would a redirector actually work with what Dylan has described as his power?
I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.
Would a redirector actually work with what Dylan has described as his power?
Keep in mind, Swowl claimed to try to kill me, I claimed to block him, and I'm still alive and got my name as I would have expected. So at least one of my targets was not redirected.
I have not taken any actions all game.
I really don’t think anything we do matters at this point. Dylan had to know the jig would be up as soon as I flipped green, which means he didn’t care. He and Jack have likely won already.
I really don’t think anything we do matters at this point. Dylan had to know the jig would be up as soon as I flipped green, which means he didn’t care. He and Jack have likely won already.
I agree that this is the outcome if you are actually town.
I have not taken any actions all game.
Like I said, slight chance Swowl has actions that let him target 3 different people at once. That and the two of you targeting some combo of me, EFHW, and Jack in some arrangement would be indistinguishable in my results, but the simple fact is Swowl was most likely honest about trying to kill me, so if I trust Swowl's claims then I'm left with simplest solution is you tried to shoot EFHW or Jack (of the two EFHW is the more likely target for death).
ppe 2
I have not taken any actions all game.
Like I said, slight chance Swowl has actions that let him target 3 different people at once. That and the two of you targeting some combo of me, EFHW, and Jack in some arrangement would be indistinguishable in my results, but the simple fact is Swowl was most likely honest about trying to kill me, so if I trust Swowl's claims then I'm left with simplest solution is you tried to shoot EFHW or Jack (of the two EFHW is the more likely target for death).
ppe 2
Plus, this means that you are able to actually block Swowl, so doing so again would win us the game anyway
I have not taken any actions all game.
Like I said, slight chance Swowl has actions that let him target 3 different people at once. That and the two of you targeting some combo of me, EFHW, and Jack in some arrangement would be indistinguishable in my results, but the simple fact is Swowl was most likely honest about trying to kill me, so if I trust Swowl's claims then I'm left with simplest solution is you tried to shoot EFHW or Jack (of the two EFHW is the more likely target for death).
ppe 2
Plus, this means that you are able to actually block Swowl, so doing so again would win us the game anyway
Right, and this is the case for no exile today. No exile today and then if I succeed at that, then all town would have to do (and Jack and I would help if we are still in the game) is no exile tomorrow and win. Of course, if we are removed from the game, then you know the two people with killing actions and can win that way.
Why do you say this? A power that makes all actions targeting X target Glooble instead would work.I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.
Would a redirector actually work with what Dylan has described as his power?
Keep in mind, Swowl claimed to try to kill me, I claimed to block him, and I'm still alive and got my name as I would have expected. So at least one of my targets was not redirected.
I agree that there is probably no way a redirector works.
The person I've been calling Red and 2nd person I blocked was Glooble.
Dylan, do you both need to be on a track to Earth, or is enacting the XO enough?
Course to Earth
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.
I do not know why Dylan lied about his result on me, but you have to trust me that he did. Please don’t just follow him blindly when you know he wasn’t town.
I do not know why Dylan lied about his result on me, but you have to trust me that he did. Please don’t just follow him blindly when you know he wasn’t town.
This doesn't really works like this, I'm sorry. Just because he wasn't town, it doesn't mean he was scum. He had no slight motivation to lie.
so. Other then my Medic power, that I used on gkrieg N1, MiX N2 and Dylan while we were off, I have a weird investigative power. So basically i can target abperson and try to look into their belingings and gather info. If I succeed I get a flavor blurb. If i succeed twice in a game, I can expose myself to radiation and trigger a turning point.
Night 1 I used it on scola and it was successful. I got a blurb that he had some maps of Cylon facilities, but my character didn't really understood why. N2 I targeted Jack and didn't find anything. I couldn't use more than 1 power on Dylan, so I used healing.
What I think after scola flip is that my power is a delayed cop basically - it's hard enough to pull off, I probably succesfully gather info if person is part of the resistance, and I need to be alive for many many nights so it would work, but maybe I'm wrong. But that's why I think Jack is probably town. Who knows.
Also yeah, I am still Karl Agathon and Town-Aligned
So first, other than the reads stuff, LL's claim about his powers and actions was consistent with the QT claim.
I'm Caprica 6, same as game 1. My provided fake claim season 1 was Tom Zarek, which is why that is what I claimed then. I'm a civilian.
My personal character arc (which no-one else has claimed at all but it's relevant) in both games has been love conquers all, for which both my lover and myself need to be alive at the end of the game. Game 1 that was the person I targeted with a 1-shot action (ADK), this game as a result of that ADK and I have the additional alignment lover-aligned, which just adds the survival wincon like I said earlier. If both of us kept the same character as last season we would gain an additional power, which I believe for me is an X-shot passive bulletproof ability that is only active under a certain condition (that LL knows but I think is better to not tell scum).
I'm responsible for Glooble having 0 votes. As LL alluded to, during presidential elections I can keep all votes for a single player from counting. Of the 3 candidates, Glooble was the one that I'm least confident about being town, EFHW was by far the most clearly town, and given people's opinions of Jack I knew he wouldn't win, so I figured Glooble was the only person who might get the votes to beat EFHW, so I cancelled it.
The ability LL apparently doesn't like is probably this one. I have a radiation, blocking, investigative role where I can target up to 2 people, any actions they take will fail, and I receive a list of everyone who was targeted by abilities that were blocked. For example, I target my top 2 scumreads, if I successfully block the NK, I would have a list of people, one of which was probably the target and thus not scum as well as a 50/50 on who the killer was.
I have taken no actions at night this game, and I already said everything of import that happened on the trip.
I did not receive a vision or any private information about earth. I do agree with LL that if we get the chance, enacting course to earth would be fun, if for no other reason than to see the conclusion to the storyline that our trip started. Also, there seemed to be only one path that we could take to lead to actually going to earth, while there were a lot of opportunities to derail it, which makes me think if scum or some other party went, there would have been motivations to sabotage the trip, and since it didn't happen, I'm inclined to think it's good for town.
I would guess that the blocking part of Dylan's power is real, but the investigative part is made up.
I do not know why Dylan lied about his result on me, but you have to trust me that he did. Please don’t just follow him blindly when you know he wasn’t town.
This doesn't really works like this, I'm sorry. Just because he wasn't town, it doesn't mean he was scum. He had no slight motivation to lie.
Sure he did. He needed something to entice EFHW to enact Course to Earth. He didn’t have a useful result, so he made one up, knowing he’d be out of the game before he had to face any consequences.
Dylan's power does seem OP.
Everyone supported the plan, so obviously scum thought that was the best play, whether it was you or someone else.
I had a tracker I could use every night but only on civilians unless I went outside and got radiation poisoning.
PPE Lalight. You have a point there. But then it's a weird power that isn't very helpful for getting to Earth. Did faust anticipate their needing info to trade? He might have, since the chances of getting to Earth any other way were tiny.
I mean Dylan would obviously do whatever to win and I think telling the truth is one of these things. I believe he had that power he claimed. Otherwise he would say "I blocked two people - Glooble and Swan". Why make up the investigative part at all?He had to demonstrate that I had been targeted.
I would guess that the blocking part of Dylan's power is real, but the investigative part is made up.
Why?
I don't believe Swan to be scum, because scum with two killing powers in a game where town is a half of the players is too OP.
Vote: LaLight
I’m pretty sure we’ll have one more day to guess correctly if you exile me, and hopefully when I flip green his scummy behavior will become obvious to all of you.
LaLight is pissing me off.
Why aren't you suspecting gkrieg?
if I were scum, we would be on course to nowhere right nowBut then Dylan would have known what you picked.
Why aren't you suspecting gkrieg?
Honestly, because I believe Dylan. And also it would be very weird if after all what's happened we just exile gkrieg
if I were scum, we would be on course to nowhere right nowBut then Dylan would have known what you picked.
oooooh even worse, if tomorrow there are only town/scum/orange left there will be no wincon for town, unless orange wincon can coexist with town wincon.
oooooh even worse, if tomorrow there are only town/scum/orange left there will be no wincon for town, unless orange wincon can coexist with town wincon.
I'm worried orange and red can cooperate. They are both opposed to the new government.
Well, it would be symmetrical. Believers had information helpful to town. But there were only two Believers, so far as we know, so the oranges might be done.oooooh even worse, if tomorrow there are only town/scum/orange left there will be no wincon for town, unless orange wincon can coexist with town wincon.
I'm worried orange and red can cooperate. They are both opposed to the new government.
You think there's one of each left?
I don't have a good answer on the gkrieg question, I think I was mentally ICing him because of the cop thing, but I suppose with two scum teams that doesn't make sense.
Glooble feels like grasping at straws here
Every player in the game may, once during this game, use a power they have an additional time in the same Night.
8 non-town players in 14 player game seems obnoxious though.
8 non-town players in 14 player game seems obnoxious though.
It's probably 7, and the Believers were able to be helpful to town.
You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.
You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.
I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.
You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.
I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.
I'm going to hold you to that.
ADK- town/ lover -exiled
ashersky- Cylon Extremist- incapacitated
mathdude- Cylon Extremist- exiled
e- town - incapacitated
scola- resistance- exiled
MiX- Town- incapacitated
Didds- resistance- exiled
Dylan and Jack Rudd - removed because they won
5 of us still playing
So that is two yellow, two red, two pink two green. For some reason I thought we'd had an uneven number of flips- I really haven't been paying attention this game.
Well, in that case there probably is one of each. This sucks.
I am begging you not to take Dylan's word at face value, and to at least consider evidence for who else might be scum. Because I think if you exile me, we lose. Like, what is the case on me, besides the word of a non-town player who had every incentive to lie? Is there any other case on me at all?
Don't let Dylan play you like this.
It only applies to personal powers, not any shared ones.Every player in the game may, once during this game, use a power they have an additional time in the same Night.
Does this include any factional kill?
I updated this flip post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20811.msg874140#msg874140), as it wasn't quite accurate.
Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.
Dylan's power does seem OP.
You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.
I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.
Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun
Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun
Me neither. I think he did it because he'd rather share victory with a scum faction than a town one.
I don't think he lied.Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.Dylan's power does seem OP.
I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?
I think we have to exile Glooble today. We can't ignore Dylan's reported result for no reason other than that he could have wanted more legacy points. No one can think of a way the result was tampered with. There is no case on anyone else to speak of. No exile would leave us with 4 tomorrow, with no new information.
Any reason to continue this day any longer?
Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun
Me neither. I think he did it because he'd rather share victory with a scum faction than a town one.
but.. why?
I don't think he lied.Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.Dylan's power does seem OP.
I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?
- miscellaneous
- 1-shot, manipulative, Day
- passive, protective
- protective
- miscellaneous, investigative
- 1-shot, radiation, miscellaneous
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?
I don't think he lied.Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.Dylan's power does seem OP.
I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?
So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.
PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.
Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.
I don't think he lied.Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.Dylan's power does seem OP.
I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?
So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.
PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.
What did you mean about Jack lying?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?
Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.
gkrieg, remind me what other power you had besides investigating for Cylons.
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?
Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.
Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?
Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?
Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.
Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?
Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?
I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.
The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.
Ya'll need to chill - Apologies for "slowing it down", but it has been like a day and I had work and a "wine walk" last night.
I still prefer to wait to make sure my town read is in charge of the deck, but if it is so important to everyone I will claim it up. So here you are:
I kept my previous character from S1 - I am Sharon "Boomer" Valerii. I am Human-Aligned (and only human aligned). I am Military.
I have 2 powers.
1. Vig Shot - It only works on Military players. If I use it I have to go outside and I get a radiation. (I did clarify that if I were to target a Civilian player I would still get sick, but the shot would fail.)
2. My second power is a passive-ish that plays off of my Vig ability. If I end the day voting for a Human, my vig shot will fail that night. (No, I am not informed. Yes, it will still allow me to shoot, and thus make me sick).
Night 1) I did not shoot.
Night 2) I did not shoot.
Night 3) I shot WCD.
I can piece it together for yall later today when I have time - but in the spirit of getting things rolling there is my claim.
It also leaves me at
Vote: WCD
PPe several
keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?
I think this is a scum slip guys.
gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.
So Swowl ended the day voting for gkrieg and decided to get radiation poisoning and shoot Didds. If it was me, I'd have been not voting or voting no exile the day before I tried using the vig.
The human-aligned could have been a typo. 50/50 there.
Did you have some reason to think gkrieg wasn't human? His claimed power would suggest human > Cylon.
I have been pretty clear in regards to thinking GK was potentially cylon. Red to be specific.
Also if I vote no one, and then shoot known military WCD. All we get is the flip of WCD. If she is skum, then yay... but if she is Town then I put us in the hole -1 and we learned nothing else for sure.
This way, imo at least, was way better. If WCD flipped Green, GK is cylon. If WCD flipped Red, GK is cylon. If WCD did not flip, then GK is human... which looks really bad for WCD given she was the only other one off Pasta.
I have not read what’s been written since that post of Dylan’s I’ replied to just now, but I’m changing planes so I wanted to get this out so we don’t stall.
I am Kara Thrace (aka Starbuck)
I have two related powers. At night I can go out beyond the border, when I do, I take radiation. While there I have two related choices. Copilot, which is essentially a bodyguard, and Defy Orders (1-shot) which means the target is informed that they were targeted by me and my action cannot fail.
N1, I didn’t do anything
N2, I used both copilot and defy orders on MiX. This is why I was joking around with him about trust on D3.
D3, I had radiation poisoning, which is why I advocated that we leave Scola alive. If he actually did have a cure I needed one because LL was gone. I can also describe the flavor associated with having poisoning if Dylan wants to test me.
N3, I didn’t do anything but I was apparently cured by MiX, unless there is another poison doc, because on D4 I was no longer poisoned. Since I wasn’t around to ask MiX to cure me at the end of D3, I assume that he read enough into my “wait and see” to figure it out. I didn’t get any notification that I had been cured, but I checked with faust and he said I was no longer poisoned.
This is very similar to my power in the first game, but in that game I had a faction restriction (target had to be military).
I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.
I don't think he lied.Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.Dylan's power does seem OP.
I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?
So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.
PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.
What did you mean about Jack lying?
Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000
keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?
I think this is a scum slip guys.
gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.
Lol at the fact that Swowl actually scum-slipped that he was "human-aligned" instead of town-aligned. It was probably in his brain from his actual alignment being resistance-aligned.
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?
Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.
Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?
Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?
I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.
The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.
It is certainly not the simplest explanation. It requires both that Dylan and I are lying, which would either require lots of luck (and Dylan tanking his future games), or coordination (which again pretty much thanks Dylan's future games).
It is much simpler that you took two normal actions and one faction ability. You then claimed that you vigged Dylan.
If we assume that Dylan didn't lie about his power, then this is the simplest explanation as to why no one died N4.
So Swowl ended the day voting for gkrieg and decided to get radiation poisoning and shoot Didds. If it was me, I'd have been not voting or voting no exile the day before I tried using the vig.
The human-aligned could have been a typo. 50/50 there.
Did you have some reason to think gkrieg wasn't human? His claimed power would suggest human > Cylon.
I have been pretty clear in regards to thinking GK was potentially cylon. Red to be specific.
Also if I vote no one, and then shoot known military WCD. All we get is the flip of WCD. If she is skum, then yay... but if she is Town then I put us in the hole -1 and we learned nothing else for sure.
This way, imo at least, was way better. If WCD flipped Green, GK is cylon. If WCD flipped Red, GK is cylon. If WCD did not flip, then GK is human... which looks really bad for WCD given she was the only other one off Pasta.
This post is also kind of non-sensical if you have been paying attention to the game at this point.
keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?
I think this is a scum slip guys.
gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.
Lol at the fact that Swowl actually scum-slipped that he was "human-aligned" instead of town-aligned. It was probably in his brain from his actual alignment being resistance-aligned.
I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.
This is interesting.
I don't think he lied.Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.Dylan's power does seem OP.
I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?
So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.
PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.
What did you mean about Jack lying?
Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000
It isn't follow the cop because it would make Dylan untargetable but give him radiation poisoning, so it has a limited time it can be used unless Dylan is constantly being healed from the radiation, which is then already too complicated (requires a 3rd person not in their faction.)
keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?
I think this is a scum slip guys.
gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.
Lol at the fact that Swowl actually scum-slipped that he was "human-aligned" instead of town-aligned. It was probably in his brain from his actual alignment being resistance-aligned.
Didds made the same mistake after Swowl. How does that fit into their being partners?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?
Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.
Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?
Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?
I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.
The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.
It is certainly not the simplest explanation. It requires both that Dylan and I are lying, which would either require lots of luck (and Dylan tanking his future games), or coordination (which again pretty much thanks Dylan's future games).
It is much simpler that you took two normal actions and one faction ability. You then claimed that you vigged Dylan.
If we assume that Dylan didn't lie about his power, then this is the simplest explanation as to why no one died N4.
1. Dylan tanking his future games is a completely nullified concept. Everyone knows regardless of what he did no one was gonna policy lynch him. If anything we would still do it now, he has the damn points... whether or not he lied does not matter.
2. Both of you do not have to be knowingly lying. You could of been (probably were) manipulating his actions in some way. The other explanation is he was lying.
I have thought a little about what it is you could of done to make it so you are the only one lying though... and I gotta give you this... I do think you are both lying.
Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.
Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.
He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.
Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.
He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.
Also, what cards did you get, Admiral?
How does that make more sense? Which part of his claim do you see as the lie?Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.
He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.
I don’t know why everyone is coming to this conclusion. It seems much more likely to me he was lying to secure his own wincon and mess with town.
How does that make more sense? Which part of his claim do you see as the lie?Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.
He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.
I don’t know why everyone is coming to this conclusion. It seems much more likely to me he was lying to secure his own wincon and mess with town.
Also, did Swowl ever get cured from his radiation poisoning? Why is he still alive?
Also, did Swowl ever get cured from his radiation poisoning? Why is he still alive?
Also, did Swowl ever get cured from his radiation poisoning? Why is he still alive?
LL could have cured him overnight.
WestCoastDidds has been sent to the brig! They were Kara Thrace, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:Quote
- manipulative
- radiation, killing
I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.
This is interesting.
This is the only explanation I have for why I am not irradiated. Something didds did prevented me from attempting the shot.
I don't think he lied.Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.Dylan's power does seem OP.
I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?
So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.
PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.
What did you mean about Jack lying?
Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000
It isn't follow the cop because it would make Dylan untargetable but give him radiation poisoning, so it has a limited time it can be used unless Dylan is constantly being healed from the radiation, which is then already too complicated (requires a 3rd person not in their faction.)
there have been 2 flipped radiation doctors and another who claimed to be one but was skum. How is that too complicated? They were a 3rd faction that LITERALLY used another faction to win the game for them. They absolutely did not need a 3rd person.
This is another reason why I assume they were lying. I assume they were 100% sure they knew they would be removed from the game which is why they cared not of the radiation.
scolapasta has been sent to the brig! They were Samuel T. Anderson, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:Quote
- protective
- radiation, miscellaneous
- manipulative
- passive,miscellaneous
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Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?
Also, what cards did you get, Admiral?
Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.
He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.
Or he lied about them. Or you did something to mess with them.
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Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?
Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?
I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.
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Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?
Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?
I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.
I look forward to your explanation of what night actions were taken to cause everything to happen so far.
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Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?
Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?
I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.
I look forward to your explanation of what night actions were taken to cause everything to happen so far.
Here is the thing. You are 100% aware that dylan lied about something and you are riding that out. Which is totally the correct play for you to make here. You hold the cards, you know the puzzle, and I do not. That is why you are focusing so hard on the unlikelihood of Dylan lying (which is not unlikely at all), and why you are spinning it like there is no other explanation. It is not that there is no other explanation, there just is no explanation I can prove.
But explanations you shall have (after I get home).
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Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?
Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?
I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.
I look forward to your explanation of what night actions were taken to cause everything to happen so far.
Here is the thing. You are 100% aware that dylan lied about something and you are riding that out. Which is totally the correct play for you to make here. You hold the cards, you know the puzzle, and I do not. That is why you are focusing so hard on the unlikelihood of Dylan lying (which is not unlikely at all), and why you are spinning it like there is no other explanation. It is not that there is no other explanation, there just is no explanation I can prove.
But explanations you shall have (after I get home).
If I make this exact same post from my perspective (i.e. that you are scum and I have to piece together what night actions result in the current game state), it is the following:
Swowl lied and targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4. No one else lied.
I'll just let Occam's razor do the rest.
I don't understand this. You thought maybe ISwowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.
and now that we are all here...
You are correct. And that is exactly what I did. There was a small world to where you could be skum still until you checked in with no hammer.
It is GK 100%.
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
Pretty much the same thought here.
Vote: Gkrieg
And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.
I don't understand this. You thought maybe ISwowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.
and now that we are all here...
You are correct. And that is exactly what I did. There was a small world to where you could be skum still until you checked in with no hammer.
It is GK 100%.
was scum and would come in hammering one of you to win the game, so you waited to reveal you had tried to kill both LL and gkrieg? If either of you had any suspicion that I was the scum you would not have voted at all. Also, how did knowing I was town before claiming your night action make a difference?
I wasn't very clear in my question about Didds at 1660. Didds and Swowl got associated on a number of occasions. Apparently targeting each other N3, Swowl becoming Admiral after Didds, and then her seeming to defend him by saying she would have made the same mistake. (Am I remembering correctly that Jack also said human aligned?) I was wondering if it was likely she would risk such a partner-like post.
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
Pretty much the same thought here.
Vote: Gkrieg
And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.
Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.
So gk was worried you could cone in and place 2 votes? And thought I would hammer you to forestall that?
I get your point about my alignment not being relevant to your gk vote. But wouldn't you have asked gk to unvote if you weren't sure about me?
So gk was worried you could cone in and place 2 votes? And thought I would hammer you to forestall that?
I get your point about my alignment not being relevant to your gk vote. But wouldn't you have asked gk to unvote if you weren't sure about me?
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
Pretty much the same thought here.
Vote: Gkrieg
And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.
Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
Pretty much the same thought here.
Vote: Gkrieg
And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.
Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.
I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
Pretty much the same thought here.
Vote: Gkrieg
And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.
Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.
I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.
I explained my logic. What is yours?
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
Pretty much the same thought here.
Vote: Gkrieg
And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.
Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.
I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.
I explained my logic. What is yours?
So you were 100% sure I was skum right?
0% chance it could be EFHW.
Only explanation for your vote, so I assume that was your mindset.
I'm ready to vote, later today. Glooble, you want to say anything?
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
What was that reason?
I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.
Pretty much the same thought here.
Vote: Gkrieg
And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.
Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.
I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.
I explained my logic. What is yours?
So you were 100% sure I was skum right?
0% chance it could be EFHW.
Only explanation for your vote, so I assume that was your mindset.
It sounds like you know gkrieg is town.
Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
What was that reason?
Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.
Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
What was that reason?
Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.
You are attributing a town perspective to him to explain his vote. If you were convinced he was scum you wouldn't do that.
I thought of that, and reread it several times. Each time it felt to me like you forgot he was supposed to be the scum. Just one part of the picture.You are attributing a town perspective to him to explain his vote. If you were convinced he was scum you wouldn't do that.
I am talking to skum who is claiming to be town. I am pointing out if they were town they would do X. I do not understand the confusion with this?
I thought of that, and reread it several times. Each time it felt to me like you forgot he was supposed to be the scum. Just one part of the picture.You are attributing a town perspective to him to explain his vote. If you were convinced he was scum you wouldn't do that.
I am talking to skum who is claiming to be town. I am pointing out if they were town they would do X. I do not understand the confusion with this?
Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
What was that reason?
Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.
I also have a delayed bomb power, where I can irradiate myself (Night i), if I'm not already irradiated, and then the next night (Night i + 1) any Cylons who target me (on Night i + 1) are killed.
I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.
This is the other reason why I thought my cop result may be a scum/town result, because me killing town!Cylons is anti-town.
Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
What was that reason?
Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.
I also have a delayed bomb power, where I can irradiate myself (Night i), if I'm not already irradiated, and then the next night (Night i + 1) any Cylons who target me (on Night i + 1) are killed.
I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.
This is the other reason why I thought my cop result may be a scum/town result, because me killing town!Cylons is anti-town.
can you use it if you are already irradiated? If so, what happens?
Day 4 Final Vote CountWestCoastDidds (5): Swowl, Dylan32, LaLight, Glooble, gkrieg13
Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Cylons
With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.
faust must be asleep. So rather than anxiously waiting for a flip I'll wait, and see if either of you wants to make a final case on the other one.
Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
What was that reason?
Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.
I also have a delayed bomb power, where I can irradiate myself (Night i), if I'm not already irradiated, and then the next night (Night i + 1) any Cylons who target me (on Night i + 1) are killed.
I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.
This is the other reason why I thought my cop result may be a scum/town result, because me killing town!Cylons is anti-town.
can you use it if you are already irradiated? If so, what happens?
Cannot use it while irradiated.
Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.
Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?
Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.
What was that reason?
Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.
I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.
That's what I got.
I think that GK has some sort of an ability that makes them BP when they are the hammer which is why they were so insistent upon it. They didn't go for Pasta because they thought it was going no exile, but then they came in 10th hour on WCD because they had mathed out that I could shoot 2 people and needed the BP.
And then all the other stuff.
I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.
If both of us kept the same character as last season we would gain an additional power, which I believe for me is an X-shot passive bulletproof ability that is only active under a certain condition (that LL knows but I think is better to not tell scum).
I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.
How about "Pick a player. They will return investigation results as if they were you." Requires gk and Dylan to converge on both picking Glooble, so I don't know if it's very likely. They tried to kill Dylan, not me. Dylan had a bulletproof.
The bulletproof wouldn't have been needed until last night. That's the only unexplained failure of an attempt to kill you. There could be a different reason for that. The bulletproof theory isn't key to a case on you.
Was there proof of the deck discard action?
The bulletproof wouldn't have been needed until last night. That's the only unexplained failure of an attempt to kill you. There could be a different reason for that. The bulletproof theory isn't key to a case on you.
What could the other reason be?
Why did you pick that one?Was there proof of the deck discard action?
Yes. N2 I put Special counsel back in the draw deck, which was verified by it being in the draw deck when the discard pile was trashed.
I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.
How about "Pick a player. They will return investigation results as if they were you." Requires gk and Dylan to converge on both picking Glooble, so I don't know if it's very likely. They tried to kill Dylan, not me. Dylan had a bulletproof.
This is interesting. Again, it requires a very unlikely series of events rather than the simple answer of Swowl lying.
1 --- It also requires me to have 4 actions (Cylon copping, deck discard stuff, hammering for bulletproof, manipulate investigative results), on top of being able to use a factional kill.
2 --- Which would mean all 3 members of one faction have a manipulative ability each.
3 --- Also requires me to have tried to kill Dylan, who was not townread by people, and was not gunning for me.
4 --- Also means that I tried to hammer and get the bulletproof every night instead of just times I thought I might be shot, which is a very bold play.
I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.
How about "Pick a player. They will return investigation results as if they were you." Requires gk and Dylan to converge on both picking Glooble, so I don't know if it's very likely. They tried to kill Dylan, not me. Dylan had a bulletproof.
This is interesting. Again, it requires a very unlikely series of events rather than the simple answer of Swowl lying.
1 --- It also requires me to have 4 actions (Cylon copping, deck discard stuff, hammering for bulletproof, manipulate investigative results), on top of being able to use a factional kill.
2 --- Which would mean all 3 members of one faction have a manipulative ability each.
3 --- Also requires me to have tried to kill Dylan, who was not townread by people, and was not gunning for me.
4 --- Also means that I tried to hammer and get the bulletproof every night instead of just times I thought I might be shot, which is a very bold play.
1 - One of those abilities could of belonged to a skum mate. Would have to pretty much be deck discard I guess. Unless you have day chat.
2 - You are accusing me of being a Re Director, is that not considered Manipulative ability? Why is it ok for all 3 members of one faction to have it when it is me, but not you?
3 - They were claimed blocker and claimed investigation, you would want that gone.
4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc. Day 1, ofc you want it huge RMM. Day 2, you resulted Math got off and then back on to make sure you get it... why not? Day 3, You didn't get it because the importance of going no exile for your mate scola outweighed the importance of the BP. Day 4 Now there is a vig in play, you want that shield... so again you hammer. Day 5, Why not take it? easy wagon on glooble, no one gonna look twice at it.
scola or Didds could have done that.
Why did you pick that one?Was there proof of the deck discard action?
Yes. N2 I put Special counsel back in the draw deck, which was verified by it being in the draw deck when the discard pile was trashed.
Swowl, why did you target Didds with your vig?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?
Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?
Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?
Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?
Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?
Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?
He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?
Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?
Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?
He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.
but then I didn't target him. in regards to results.
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?
Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?
Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?
He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.
but then I didn't target him. in regards to results.
Ok, so maybe you blocked Jack?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?
Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?
Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?
He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.
but then I didn't target him. in regards to results.
Ok, so maybe you blocked Jack?
OK cool. Why? What would be my motivation to do that? Honestly, after the claims, what would be my motivation to do anything?
-snip-
4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.
EFHW, is this conversation helping you decide? I'm not sure I have much more time to devote to this game.
Hm, mine is worth 1 point.-snip-
4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.
Also, a character arc is worth a decent amount of legacy points, so trying to complete it seems very worth it.
Hm, mine is worth 1 point.-snip-
4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.
Also, a character arc is worth a decent amount of legacy points, so trying to complete it seems very worth it.
EFHW, is this conversation helping you decide? I'm not sure I have much more time to devote to this game.
I'm not sure. I was going to vote Swowl, but I liked his analysis of your posts. At times he has felt very towny to me. Other times I've been distracted by a certain lack of clarity - not lately - and while that feels scummy, I'm not sure that it is. You have been very even all game. Usually I scumread you as town. This game you have been different.
I realize I'm dragging it out a bit. This has been a strong game for town and I would hate for us to lose now.
Hm, mine is worth 1 point.-snip-
4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.
Also, a character arc is worth a decent amount of legacy points, so trying to complete it seems very worth it.
Oh interesting. Mine is 3.
There are some discrepancies around Swowl. He didn’t get irradiated and all three of his claimed vig shots have failed - Didds, Dylan and gk.
gkrieg's point about no kill N4 doesn't work bc Dylan had bulletproof. But Dylan having some chance of being bulletproof would discourage either of you from targeting him, if you noticed that detail buried in tons of posts. Neither of you has mentioned it. Did either of you see it?
So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.
I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).
Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z
Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].
I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?
Even the highest ranks of the human military apparently are conspiring to overthrow the current Human-Cylon governing body. It is good that you managed to unmask these conspiracies. And yet you wonder, how many such blows can your alliance still take?
WestCoastDidds has been sent to the brig! They were Kara Thrace, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:Quote
- manipulative
- radiation, killing
Swowl is Admiral of the Fleet!
Even the highest ranks of the human military apparently are conspiring to overthrow the current Human-Cylon governing body. It is good that you managed to unmask these conspiracies. And yet you wonder, how many such blows can your alliance still take?
WestCoastDidds has been sent to the brig! They were Kara Thrace, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:Quote
- manipulative
- radiation, killing
Swowl is Admiral of the Fleet!
Didds targeted Swowl N3. There is no blocking power to explain his vigs failing, but there is also no power that she would be likely to want to use on a partner.
Here's to hoping faust doesn't have one final twist for us!
- manipulative
- manipulative
How much are we allowed to discuss here, given the legacy situation?
I just really want to know if I'm policy-exiling Dylan day one of game 3 or not.
So I would assume the thread is unlocked?
Thank you everyone, thanks EFHW for believing in Dylan. I guess I was killed, because I would open the day voting for Swowl.
Also Dylan, thanks for the game! You're amazing.
Everyone, awesome job! See ya in Season Three!
I was worried there at the end, but I think the series of night actions made it hard for Swowl to make a solid case.
Emotionally, he had me. But logic won out.
Sorry for the short response last night, not salty or anything, was just tired and also if we being completely honest the whole "faust could have a twist in play" thing... didn't wanna outmyself if something crazy happened :P
Was a fantastic game, really enjoyed it. Unfortunately, these two posts pretty well summarize my situation when Dylan was pro pro town and also targeted me...I was worried there at the end, but I think the series of night actions made it hard for Swowl to make a solid case.Emotionally, he had me. But logic won out.
Spent the entirety of the last day pretty much saying to myself "why are you trying, there is literally no point you can make that is gonna counter the claims" lol. But whatever, hand we were dealt, had to try. Props to EFHW (and GK) for making the right call in the end. Also, Dylan telling truth and GK had it right on the second guess... so that was awkward lol
Uh what else... Didds homie sorry I stole you fake claim! I had literally no clue what to do when we all snapped to the mass claim and mine was just the worst to open with.
Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?
Good job closing it out EFHW and gkrieg.
Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?
Re direct/ kill efoo
Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?
Re direct/ kill efoo
How did Jack fit in?
Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?
Re direct/ kill efoo
How did Jack fit in?
took the gamble on moving the block to Jack so that they could not proc someone. Then shot at you. If I was blocked, otoh I wanted as many random results to come up as possible. The targeting of Glooble was a good play which messed with that a bit.
also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.
also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.
It’s fine, I was mostly just tilted from having no one believe I was town.
also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.
It’s fine, I was mostly just tilted from having no one believe I was town.
hold hold up I forgot about this.
Who tried to cure irradiation the night mix died? Was it mix or did someone actually cure didds?
hold hold up I forgot about this.
Who tried to cure irradiation the night mix died? Was it mix or did someone actually cure didds?
hold hold up I forgot about this.
Who tried to cure irradiation the night mix died? Was it mix or did someone actually cure didds?
It was me, I picked Glooble.
That reminds me, how did LL's power work then? I was curious about that the whole game.
How was administering doses different from just targeting people?
I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).
I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).
I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).
I thought you were species cop (cylon vs human) and we got lucky in that the cylon you discovered wasn't town
Because I was actually a cop who only got results for cylons. So I knew D2 EFHW was a town-aligned cylon, and then was killed before I got a result on Jack. Which would have been an interesting result for D3, and actually not sure that it would have been helpful for town to reveal Jack/Dylan's alignment
Went back and read EFHW, and can definitely see a scum!EFHW narrative. Don't think it could get off the ground at this point for today but I would vote there
Also, went back and have changed my mind here, scum narrative doesn't fit, EFHW seems like town to me
Went back and read EFHW, and can definitely see a scum!EFHW narrative. Don't think it could get off the ground at this point for today but I would vote there
Also, went back and have changed my mind here, scum narrative doesn't fit, EFHW seems like town to me
Also, for anyone looking for it, this was my attempt at a breadcrumb. "Went back" was "investigated" with a town result
<b>Are we doing the whole post game voting thing again?</b>
I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).
So what was scummy about the yellow team/Cylon extremists? Did they have nefarious powers? What was the wincon?
so I fully knew Jack was a Cylon (species).Well, that makes one of us. (My role DM didn't say whether I was human or cylon, and it's a character where the flavour could have gone either way.)
so I fully knew Jack was a Cylon (species).Well, that makes one of us. (My role DM didn't say whether I was human or cylon, and it's a character where the flavour could have gone either way.)
Are we doing the whole post game voting thing again?Yes, there will be the usual postgame shenanigans. I need some time to set it up and I'm busy this weekend, so it might take a bit more time. Same goes for character arc completion.
Also, can we share speccy? I asked about this last game, but not this one.Yes, speccys can always be shared. Here is the one from this game:
Gosh darn it!
EFHW was a cylon? If I just shot her instead of LL that could of possibly ended the game :/ Needed all Cylons dead.
Yeah, I wonder if red and green could have won togther
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You really want to make it clear that I'm not voting yet, don't you? Is that why I'm listed twice?I have no idea what you are talking about ;)
Remove Lee Adama from the game.Confirmed. This selection may be changed up until the voting deadline.
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How many of these are being put into play? Just the top 1?The top vote among all players is chosen, and after that, the top vote of the remaining choices among all winning players.
Martial Law - How does this effect win cons? Example - If a player meets their win con and is then removed from the game and the game continues... what are the repercussions for that player for "dying"?You can still win, and receive legacy points, for a game in which your character dies. You can also still fulfil the character arc, provided that requires no further action after the character's death.
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Is season 3 starting soon, or will another game or two play before it?It will take some more time.