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Title: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (GAME OVER)
Post by: mail-mi on July 06, 2020, 03:02:23 pm
Avengers Assemble!

Welcome to M129: Marvel Mafia 2

This game is for 13 players, and is classified as normal. It uses open setup called Haunted Village (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Haunted_Village). See post #2

Comod: Position Open

Players:

1. Swowl Killed N5. Ant-Man
2. Dylan32 Exiled D3. Scarlet Witch.
3. EFHW Exiled D6. Bystander
4. MiX Exiled D4. Bystander
5. Scolapasta
6. Robz888 Exiled D2. Ultron.
7. SpaceAnemone Killed N2. Thanos.
8. chairs Killed N3. Iron Man.
9. LaLight faust
10. jotheonah Exiled D1. Bystander.
11. WestCoastDidds Killed N1. Groot.
12. Isis Killed N2. Dr. Strange
13. Galzria Killed N4. Bystander

Tags:


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information (including QT opening and closing times) is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 36 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between an exile being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the exiled player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no exile.
5. Exiles occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, an exile cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, limegreen text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last between 36 and 48 hours.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 06, 2020, 03:02:30 pm
This game will use the setup Haunted Village (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Haunted_Village), with changes adjusted for Marvel flavor. Here is how it works:

Heroes (10 total) chosen from:
- Bystanders
- Dr. Strange (3 points) (cop)
- Iron Man (2 points) (JOAT: cop, vig, track)
- Hulk (3 points) (vig)
- Scarlet Witch (1 point) (rolestopper)
- Groot (2 points) (doctor)
- Captain America (2 points) (improved day/night vengeful)
- Ant-Man (1 point) (non-consecutive commuter)

and Villians (3 total) chosen from:
- Minions
- Hela (2 points) (roleblocker)
- Zemo (2 points) (enrager)
- Mysterio (2 points) (framer)
- Red Skull (2 points) (delayed prince)
- Thanos  (2 points) (non-consecutive strongman)
- Loki (3 points) (godfather)
- Ultron (1 point) (rolecop)

1. Town in this game are known as Heroes. Mafia are known as Villians. Vanilla Townies are known as Bystanders. Mafia goons are known as Minions.
2. The Heroes start with between 5-9 ascension points. The Villians start with the same number minus 3.
3. The Heroes are then randomly assigned roles whose combined worth equals their ascension points. The chance for each role to appear is the following:
  a. Dr. Strange: 25%
  b. Iron Man: 20%
  c. Hulk: 15%
  d. Scarlet Witch: 10%
  e. Groot: 10%
  f. Captain America: 10%
  g. Ant-Man: 10%
4. The Villians are told which hero roles are in the game and have 24 hours to pick their own powers from their pool (no duplicates allowed). If they fail, the moderator will randomly assign them powers based on what village roles exist (i.e. no Thanos if its strong kill can't be utilised).
5. The game begins when all roles are distributed and confirmed.
6. The villian roles in the game are then publicly announced on Day 1 by the moderator.


Sample setup
1. Hero points = rand(5-9) = 8. Villian points = 8-3 = 5.
2. Hero roles: {3} -> Dr. Strange (3/8); {18} -> Dr. Strange (6/8); {99} -> Ant-Man (7/8); {68*} -> Scarlet Witch (8/8)
*repeat random until a 1-point role is drawn
3. The Villians are told there are Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, and Scarlet Witch. They pick Hela, Mysterio, and Ultron.
4. Final setup: Dr. Strange x2, Scarlet Witch, Antman, 6 Bystanders, Hela, Mysterio, Ultron

Unique role abilities and interactions

Dr. Strange
See the Future: Target a player and learn their alignment. Loki returns favorable (innocent) result; Mysterio's target returns unfavourable (guilty) result

Iron Man
Iron Man is a Jack of all trades with the following abilities. He may use each one once per game, and he can only use one per night.
Ask Jarvis: Target a player and learn their alignment. Loki returns a favorable (innocent) result, Mysterio's target returns an unfavorable (guilty) result.
I am Iron Man: Target a player. That player will be killed.
Activate Tracking Satalite: Target a player. You will learn what players that player targeted that night.
Note: If Iron Man's actions are blocked in any way, they will not be used up.

Hulk
SMASH!: Target a player. That player will be killed. This kill is blocked by Scarlet Witch's Mind Warp.

Scarlet Witch
Mind Warp: Protects the targets from all non-factional-kill abilities. In addition, if she targets Red Skull, and he had been exiled, he will not return the next day.

Groot
We are Groot: Target a player, that player will be protected from any non-strongman kills.

Captain America
I can do this all day: When Captain America dies or is exiled, he may target someone for a kill. If they are a Villian or framed by Mysterio, they will die (Loki will not die).

Ant-Man
Shrink: Ant-Man can shrink and become immune to all direct night actions except strong kills. After shrinking, Ant-man must wait one full night before he can become small again


Hela
Break the Hammer: Target a player. Any non-strong actions they take that night will be blocked.

Zemo
Enrage: Target a player to kill their killers if they die. Both the enraging and the reactive kill can be blocked by Scarlet Witch's Mind Warp

Mysterio
Illusion: Target another player, they will investigate as "guilty" to Dr. Strange and Iron Man that night. Additionally, they will be vulnerable to Captain America's vengekill that night and the next day.

Red Skull
Guard the Soul Stone (reactive): If exiled, Red Skull will return on the next dawn, but only if another Villian is alive. He will be slain for good if killed in any way other than exile. If dead and awaiting return, Red Skull cannot be put to rest by normal means. Will not return if doing so will endgame the remaining players.

Thanos
Snap: If Thanos performs the Villian kill, he can instead choose to use the Infinity Gauntlet. The Snap kills through shrinking and healing, but it is blocked by Scarlet Witch's Mind Warp. If Thanos Snaps, he must wait one full night before he can Snap again.

Loki
Whose side are you on, anyway?: Loki investigates favorably (innocent) to Cops and cannot be killed by Captain America's vengekill.

Ultron
Invade the Internet: Target a player. Ultron will be told their role.


Other mechanics
1. The Villians have daytalk; if Red Skull isn't permanently slain, can still communicate privately even if "dead"
2. The Villian who performs the kill can also use their other powers on the same night
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: Swowl on July 06, 2020, 03:56:58 pm
yall need to stop stringing together all my favorite shit in back to back games!

/first
/in!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: Dylan32 on July 06, 2020, 06:01:34 pm
/in

Also, instead of just rolling repeatedly for the last 1 point role, just flip a coin between them and save yourself a few seconds lol
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: EFHW on July 06, 2020, 06:05:39 pm
/in
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: MiX on July 06, 2020, 06:07:32 pm
/in

Also, instead of just rolling repeatedly for the last 1 point role, just flip a coin between them and save yourself a few seconds lol

That can get complicated for other rolls. Besides, the excitement of seeing which 10%'s rolled first is too much.

/in, probably. What's an "undead"?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: Dylan32 on July 06, 2020, 06:10:31 pm
/in

Also, instead of just rolling repeatedly for the last 1 point role, just flip a coin between them and save yourself a few seconds lol

That can get complicated for other rolls. Besides, the excitement of seeing which 10%'s rolled first is too much.

/in, probably. What's an "undead"?

That's why it's just for deciding between the two 1 point powers if needed as noted at the end of step two of the setup process. Of course you roll for the others haha.  That's also probably a relic from the original flavor.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 06, 2020, 11:50:51 pm
/assembing
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: Swowl on July 07, 2020, 01:24:17 am
/assembing

nICe
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 07, 2020, 09:21:35 am
Yams, when do you see this starting?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: Robz888 on July 07, 2020, 11:46:50 am
/in
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 07, 2020, 11:48:07 am
I'm /in :-)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 07, 2020, 11:59:29 am
Yams, when do you see this starting?

We'll see when it fiils up then we can decide.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: chairs on July 07, 2020, 02:49:09 pm
/innocent
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: LaLight on July 07, 2020, 04:07:53 pm
I'm /in :-)

/in
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 09, 2020, 09:20:44 am
/in

So if villians are told who the heroes are, and then the whole town is told who the villians are, then the villians know the whole setup, VTs know only the villians (and can deduce point totals) and powered heroes know only their own power and the villiancs?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 09, 2020, 10:18:00 am
/in

So if villians are told who the heroes are, and then the whole town is told who the villians are, then the villians know the whole setup, VTs know only the villians (and can deduce point totals) and powered heroes know only their own power and the villiancs?

Villains are told what heroes are in the setup, but not how many of each. Other than that yes you're right.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: faust on July 09, 2020, 12:08:05 pm
/in

So if villians are told who the heroes are, and then the whole town is told who the villians are, then the villians know the whole setup, VTs know only the villians (and can deduce point totals) and powered heroes know only their own power and the villiancs?

Villains are told what heroes are in the setup, but not how many of each. Other than that yes you're right.
Seems like only fairly fringe situations where scum couldn't deduce how many of each there are given the information available to them (i.e. which powers there are and the ascension points).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (3 spots left!)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 14, 2020, 09:07:34 am
/in

Thanks, yams!!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (3 spots left!)
Post by: popsofctown on July 17, 2020, 08:07:07 am
i join
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (3 spots left!)
Post by: mail-mi on July 17, 2020, 09:54:30 am
i join

Welcome back!

Just need 1 more, now!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (1 spot left!)
Post by: Galzria on July 17, 2020, 01:12:16 pm
I値l Hammer, but I知 going to be V/LA until Monday.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (1 spot left!)
Post by: mail-mi on July 17, 2020, 01:18:42 pm
I値l Hammer, but I知 going to be V/LA until Monday.

We can start on Monday, then, if you'd prefer
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (1 spot left!)
Post by: Galzria on July 17, 2020, 01:22:29 pm
I値l Hammer, but I知 going to be V/LA until Monday.

We can start on Monday, then, if you'd prefer

I知 good with that
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Full! Starting Monday!)
Post by: mail-mi on July 20, 2020, 12:06:03 pm
The setup is currently being rolled and PMs will go out shortly.

In the meantime, Thread locked except for tags!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 20, 2020, 12:55:13 pm
All PMs are out! Night 0 will start after all players have confirmed and will last 24 hours. Villians have until N0 ends to choose their powers.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 20, 2020, 07:47:39 pm
Just waiting on 1 more confirmation, then N0 can start.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 21, 2020, 12:51:19 pm
Night 0 starts now and ends at 1:00pm FT on July 22, 2020.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 22, 2020, 12:34:23 pm
Nick Fury stood at the helm of the helicarrier, looking out upon the world beneath. Behind him, SHIELD agents worked at desks and Avengers milled, waiting for the reason he had called them there this day.

Nick turned around. "Avengers," he said, "we have a problem. Three Villians, Thanos, Mysterio, and Ultron have escaped from our prison. We must find them and put them back in their place. I am afraid that they may even be hidden among us, somewhere on this helicarrier. I am trusting you to perform this task."

The assembled Avengers looked amongst themselves. They had never trusted each other much before, but now? Well, they all just hoped the helicarrier would still be flying after this fiasco.

Day 1 starts now!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (13): Swowl, Dylan32, EFHW, MiX, scolapasta, Robz888, SpaceAnemone, chairs, LaLight, jotheonah, WestCoastDidds, popsofctown, Galzria

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020.

Thread unlocked!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 12:36:39 pm
Vote: Robz

Starting this day off right.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 12:37:29 pm
First!

Vote: pops, I remember you.

PPE: Dammit! Oh hey chairs, are we partners again?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 12:40:21 pm
First!

Vote: pops, I remember you.

PPE: Dammit! Oh hey chairs, are we partners again?

We're always partners, bud.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 01:16:17 pm
For reference:

Mysterio
Illusion: Target another player, they will investigate as "guilty" to Dr. Strange and Iron Man that night. Additionally, they will be vulnerable to Captain America's vengekill that night and the next day.

Thanos
Snap: If Thanos performs the Villian kill, he can instead choose to use the Infinity Gauntlet. The Snap kills through shrinking and healing, but it is blocked by Scarlet Witch's Mind Warp. If Thanos Snaps, he must wait one full night before he can Snap again.

Ultron
Invade the Internet: Target a player. Ultron will be told their role.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 01:19:51 pm
And we have either two or three heroes if I am understanding everything right.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 22, 2020, 01:21:02 pm
First!

Vote: pops, I remember you.

PPE: Dammit! Oh hey chairs, are we partners again?
That seems like a reason not to vote me though!


For reference:

Mysterio
Illusion: Target another player, they will investigate as "guilty" to Dr. Strange and Iron Man that night. Additionally, they will be vulnerable to Captain America's vengekill that night and the next day.

Thanos
Snap: If Thanos performs the Villian kill, he can instead choose to use the Infinity Gauntlet. The Snap kills through shrinking and healing, but it is blocked by Scarlet Witch's Mind Warp. If Thanos Snaps, he must wait one full night before he can Snap again.

Ultron
Invade the Internet: Target a player. Ultron will be told their role.
I still haven't read the setup, and I don't think I'm going to, reflavoring standard roles makes it so tedious to read.  Why isn't it "Ultron: Rolecop"?


[v]Galzria[/v]
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 22, 2020, 01:21:43 pm
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
vote:Swowl
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 01:22:58 pm
For reference:

Mysterio
Illusion: Target another player, they will investigate as "guilty" to Dr. Strange and Iron Man that night. Additionally, they will be vulnerable to Captain America's vengekill that night and the next day.

Thanos
Snap: If Thanos performs the Villian kill, he can instead choose to use the Infinity Gauntlet. The Snap kills through shrinking and healing, but it is blocked by Scarlet Witch's Mind Warp. If Thanos Snaps, he must wait one full night before he can Snap again.

Ultron
Invade the Internet: Target a player. Ultron will be told their role.

Okay, and we can sort of work backwards and figure out more stuff, if I'm understanding the setup. Mysterio is 2, Thanos is 2, and Ultron is 1. So 5 scum points is... 8 town points? So we have some combination of town PRs equal to 8. Which I guess doesn't tell us anything, except that if like three people claim Hulk someone is lying.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 01:26:32 pm
Uh, wait can there only be one of each town PR? This setup is sort of bonkers.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 01:30:07 pm
Well the sample setup has two Dr. Stranges, so I guess that is possible.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 01:30:23 pm
Oh in that case we have more heroes. Yay.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 01:34:53 pm
So I learned from last game I should be trusting my gut and not afraid to call out what I think is scummy. Cue massive overcorrection.

Alternatively we could just exile MiX.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 01:38:30 pm
First!

Vote: pops, I remember you.

PPE: Dammit! Oh hey chairs, are we partners again?
That seems like a reason not to vote me though!

We won that game, so whatever happened, it seemed to have worked.

So I learned from last game I should be trusting my gut and not afraid to call out what I think is scummy. Cue massive overcorrection.

Alternatively we could just exile MiX.

:(
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 22, 2020, 01:49:43 pm
vote: joth semi-seriously
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 01:51:22 pm
vote: joth semi-seriously

Would love to hear this case.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 01:56:06 pm
vote: joth semi-seriously

Would love to hear this case.

"Read the setup, knows what the scum PRs do"
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 01:58:01 pm
Vote: joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 02:07:52 pm
Punishing people for having read the setup seems like next-level bad.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 22, 2020, 02:08:00 pm
Hi hi hi hi!

Joth is being helpful.

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 02:08:39 pm
Punishing people for having read the setup seems like next-level bad.

How about for not saying anything else?

Hi hi hi hi!

Joth is being helpful.

Vote: MiX

That's why he's scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 02:29:42 pm
oy vey
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 02:36:31 pm
Vote: MiX because I'm never trusting him again.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 22, 2020, 02:50:02 pm
joth seems like he was last game, where I thought he was scum but he wasn't, though I keep thinking he was. So townpoints?

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 02:57:38 pm
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 02:58:21 pm
Vote: mix in a blatant attempt to push my partner for town points.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 02:59:11 pm
Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 02:59:22 pm
I'm at L-3.

It hasn't been 24 hours.

And you think I can be scum? Gimme a break. This is my towntell.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 03:04:40 pm
Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 03:06:44 pm
It wasn't faux panic, it came from the panic region of France which makes it authentic
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 03:07:54 pm
happy to be playing with you again Robz! Try not to die right away this time, k? Unless you're scum, then I guess you can die right away.

Also, hi Didds! Hopefully no hard feelings about the hullaballoo last game?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 03:08:20 pm
happy to be playing with you again Robz! Try not to die right away this time, k? Unless you're scum, then I guess you can die right away.

Also, hi Didds! Hopefully no hard feelings about the hullaballoo last game?

Oh you read my case on you.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 03:10:23 pm
happy to be playing with you again Robz! Try not to die right away this time, k? Unless you're scum, then I guess you can die right away.

Also, hi Didds! Hopefully no hard feelings about the hullaballoo last game?

I was killed early because my reads were too good! Me! This guy!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 03:15:33 pm
happy to be playing with you again Robz! Try not to die right away this time, k? Unless you're scum, then I guess you can die right away.

Also, hi Didds! Hopefully no hard feelings about the hullaballoo last game?

I was killed early because my reads were too good! Me! This guy!

Yeah, you should cherish that moment, it won't happen again anytime soon :P

Hey are you scum this game?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 22, 2020, 03:15:46 pm
Hi all.

D1, my favorite. Though I really do like this theme.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 22, 2020, 03:16:51 pm
And we have either two or three heroes if I am understanding everything right.

How do you get two or three? 8 town points, so it'd be at least 3, no?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 03:21:17 pm
And we have either two or three heroes if I am understanding everything right.

How do you get two or three? 8 town points, so it'd be at least 3, no?

He's scum, remember? They're the ones that have to pick between 2 or 3 powers with 5 points.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 22, 2020, 03:26:00 pm
Gotta start the game off right with a traditional Vote: LaLight.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 22, 2020, 03:27:41 pm
Oh come on... of course chairs would have basically used that line already. At least mine rhymed.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 03:29:28 pm
🤣

Vote: jotheonah because I like the argument that his two or three logic comes from being scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 22, 2020, 03:32:22 pm
Punishing people for having read the setup seems like next-level bad.

Most of the time, I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. I think the difference in this case was having read the setup to the point of understanding the scum half but not the town half (that was described first).

Hi all.

D1, my favorite. Though I really do like this theme.

Only a scum deals in sarcasm. /s
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 03:34:48 pm
And we have either two or three heroes if I am understanding everything right.

How do you get two or three? 8 town points, so it'd be at least 3, no?

I forgot there was a conversion. I thought it was just like, however many points town gets scum gets that many too.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 03:36:58 pm
Also, I didn't know you could have duplicates. So really there are as many as 8 heroes and the minimum is 3.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2020, 04:12:17 pm
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 22, 2020, 04:14:02 pm
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?

I like this approach - I mean even if not helpful, I don't see how it can hurt.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 04:15:52 pm
Framer means there's at least 1 cop-like role.

Strongman means at least 1 doc.

Yeah this isn't helping. Seems to be one of the many standard setups this game gives us.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 22, 2020, 04:28:55 pm
Well now MiX is being helpful!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 04:41:23 pm
8 points means too much variance available to guess the town roles, but once we inevitably find out one or more it will probably get easier.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2020, 04:44:41 pm
Framer means there's at least 1 cop-like role.

Strongman means at least 1 doc.

Yeah this isn't helping. Seems to be one of the many standard setups this game gives us.

yeah the not helpful part is where I arrived at as well.

Only things of distinction I could come up with:

1. They took the strong man kill. So we can hopefully plan on having a Groot within Town.
2. They took Framer instead of Loki. Which would suggest an aggressive approach to the cop existence situation.

I am trying to come up with a plan for the Groot approach... but I can't think of a good one.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2020, 04:48:51 pm
Also they have Ultron (role cop). IDK if that should effect how we do claiming, but we should probably be weary of claiming at L-1 unless it is like absolutely needed. Every night Ultron is alive they will already be getting 2 checks worth of PR info (one from kill and one from Ultron check). So every day we choose to run someone up, have them claim, and lynch elsewhere... that is 3 people they get results on.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 22, 2020, 05:04:58 pm
It wasn't faux panic, it came from the panic region of France which makes it authentic

This made me genuinely laugh out loud!

Vote: Chairs for being funny :-)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 22, 2020, 05:07:36 pm
Agreed, Space!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 05:09:21 pm
Oh hi Space!

I almost had the same reaction, so you're town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 22, 2020, 05:14:19 pm
Framer means there's at least 1 cop-like role.

Strongman means at least 1 doc.

Yeah this isn't helping. Seems to be one of the many standard setups this game gives us.

yeah the not helpful part is where I arrived at as well.

Only things of distinction I could come up with:

1. They took the strong man kill. So we can hopefully plan on having a Groot within Town.
2. They took Framer instead of Loki. Which would suggest an aggressive approach to the cop existence situation.

I am trying to come up with a plan for the Groot approach... but I can't think of a good one.

I like this reverse engineering plan, but I'm not sure about the Framer and Loki being quite that much of a trade-off. Looking at the set of scum roles, there are only two for odd numbers of points, and since they have 5 points worth of roles, that means either a Loki and two Ultrons, or a Loki and only one other two-point baddie.

If I get some time, I'll put together some code to give me all the possible game setups and likelihoods, though given that our roll likelihoods aren't all that asymmetrical, it's probably nothing too unexpected.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 22, 2020, 05:15:45 pm
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?

I like this approach - I mean even if not helpful, I don't see how it can hurt.
It will give them information about who doesn't have certain roles. Which seems to matter them, since they chose the rolecop.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 22, 2020, 05:19:13 pm
Agreed, Space!

Oh hi Space!

I almost had the same reaction, so you're town.

Heh.. I found it so ammusing I pointed it out to my French lockdown-lodger :-P Shame I haven't managed to get him back here to play any more Mafia.

I've been out of the loop for a couple of games. Anyone want to fill me in on anything relevant that's been happening, since I'm unlikely to have time to read it all?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 05:26:34 pm
MiX and I are permanently scum partners, does that count? Even if we're town it's a thing now
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2020, 05:28:45 pm
5 strawpennies to anyone that can tell me why space is town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 05:29:58 pm
MiX and I are permanently scum partners, does that count? Even if we're town it's a thing now

Neat. How does that work? Do we win with scum? Do we get night chat? Ooooh do we get a faction kill?

Wait, wait, I got it. We get a public neighborhood! AKA, this thread.

5 strawpennies to anyone that can tell me why space is town.

I almost had the same reaction, so you're town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 22, 2020, 05:33:11 pm
Also they have Ultron (role cop). IDK if that should effect how we do claiming, but we should probably be weary of claiming at L-1 unless it is like absolutely needed. Every night Ultron is alive they will already be getting 2 checks worth of PR info (one from kill and one from Ultron check). So every day we choose to run someone up, have them claim, and lynch elsewhere... that is 3 people they get results on.

This is good analysis. Townpoints for you.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 22, 2020, 05:37:16 pm
5 strawpennies to anyone that can tell me why space is town.

What痴 a strawpenny?? Space is town for whipping up some code. Everyone knows this. It is known.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 22, 2020, 05:45:30 pm
Hi hi hi hi!

Joth is being helpful.

Vote: MiX

That's why he's scum.

yup
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 22, 2020, 05:47:49 pm
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?

I like this approach - I mean even if not helpful, I don't see how it can hurt.
It will give them information about who doesn't have certain roles. Which seems to matter them, since they chose the rolecop.

How so? It would just be speculating about the roles, not who has them.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2020, 05:50:02 pm
MiX and I are permanently scum partners, does that count? Even if we're town it's a thing now

Neat. How does that work? Do we win with scum? Do we get night chat? Ooooh do we get a faction kill?

Wait, wait, I got it. We get a public neighborhood! AKA, this thread.

5 strawpennies to anyone that can tell me why space is town.

I almost had the same reaction, so you're town.

buzz. try again.
also only pushing it because it should be noted.

set up says no duplicates for skum roles.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 05:52:15 pm
Now I can't try again.  :'(
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 06:37:15 pm
MiX and I are permanently scum partners, does that count? Even if we're town it's a thing now

Neat. How does that work? Do we win with scum? Do we get night chat? Ooooh do we get a faction kill?

Wait, wait, I got it. We get a public neighborhood! AKA, this thread.

5 strawpennies to anyone that can tell me why space is town.

I almost had the same reaction, so you're town.

God I wish we'd lasted longer that game, you crack me up   8)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 22, 2020, 06:39:22 pm
MiX, why should I believe that you're not scum this game?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 06:40:46 pm
MiX, why should I believe that you're not scum this game?

That would be way too cool for me.

Stop asking this! You have no idea how awful it is to answer this when I'm scum. Or town. Or third-party. Or anything in between. It feels like whatever I say it's scummy.

Has this been helping you?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2020, 06:50:56 pm
MiX, why should I believe that you're not scum this game?
fantastic
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 07:20:26 pm
MiX, why should I believe that you're not scum this game?
fantastic

Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy? Or Fantastic Four?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 22, 2020, 07:33:50 pm
MiX, why should I believe that you're not scum this game?
fantastic

Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy? Or Fantastic Four?

well I was going with Elton, but given the game flavor I suppose it should be F4...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 22, 2020, 07:42:24 pm
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?

I like this approach - I mean even if not helpful, I don't see how it can hurt.
It will give them information about who doesn't have certain roles. Which seems to matter them, since they chose the rolecop.

How so? It would just be speculating about the roles, not who has them.

I still don't see the harm, but in case I'm missing something, I'll just enumerate the point combinations (people can just replace the points with roles fairly easily on their own anyway):

3-3-2
3-3-1-1
3-2-2-1
3-2-1-1-1
3-1-1-1-1-1
2-2-2-2
2-2-2-1-1
2-2-1-1-1-1
2-1-1-1-1-1-1
1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

I agree this may not be that helpful, but since I wrote it out for myself, figured why not share?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 22, 2020, 07:44:57 pm
Neat. Probably not helpful until later if and when we have claims
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 07:45:57 pm
How many ways can you split 8 into a sum of integers is a fun problem, but in this game it's irrelevant.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 09:02:35 pm
Just so I am reading this correctly: It's possible, though extremely unlikely, we have 8 Ant-Mans?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 09:07:05 pm
Just so I am reading this correctly: It's possible, though extremely unlikely, we have 8 Ant-Mans?

Yep! But then why Framer.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 22, 2020, 09:11:35 pm
Just so I am reading this correctly: It's possible, though extremely unlikely, we have 8 Ant-Mans?

Yep! But then why Framer.

Right, yeah. Just saying, theoretically. Scum choices definitely point to certain PRs, not 8 Ant-Mans (Ant-Men?)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 22, 2020, 09:55:47 pm
Vote: Space for being anti-funny
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 22, 2020, 09:57:55 pm
MiX, why should I believe that you're not scum this game?

That would be way too cool for me.

Stop asking this! You have no idea how awful it is to answer this when I'm scum. Or town. Or third-party. Or anything in between. It feels like whatever I say it's scummy.

Has this been helping you?

It's been helping me laugh.

Why is this question so difficult for you? It's not as if you don't know it's coming. This is the... 8th? 9th? game in a row that I've asked it of you in my opening post.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 22, 2020, 10:00:14 pm
I have hope.

And a short memory.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 22, 2020, 10:01:39 pm
Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:03:01 am
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?
Best play is always to treat setups as vanilla except for factors you just can't ignore.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:19:43 am
MiX, why should I believe that you're not scum this game?

That would be way too cool for me.

Stop asking this! You have no idea how awful it is to answer this when I'm scum. Or town. Or third-party. Or anything in between. It feels like whatever I say it's scummy.

Has this been helping you?
It's frustrating to not behave in a more sortable manner, but you're probably town this game anyway.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:23:38 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 12:25:19 am
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?
Best play is always to treat setups as vanilla except for factors you just can't ignore.

I mean if you were not a Vt in a game that has deductible logic in it and you are town you def shouldn't play it "from a vt pov" that is just wasted knowledge. But I think I get your point. and if I do, I at least moderately agree with it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 12:25:50 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

more than you are doing. just saying.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 12:30:34 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

more than you are doing. just saying.

meh that comes off poorly. sorry. but if you don't like the topic being discussed you should invite another one, not just complain about what it is people are actually discussing.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:34:16 am
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?
Best play is always to treat setups as vanilla except for factors you just can't ignore.

I mean if you were not a Vt in a game that has deductible logic in it and you are town you def shouldn't play it "from a vt pov" that is just wasted knowledge. But I think I get your point. and if I do, I at least moderately agree with it.
"Oh I rolled Doctor I should probably decide who the mafia want to kill tonight and message the mod their name or I'm throwing away lots of value" would be what I mean by "except for factors you can't ignore."  If you think a Doctor should participate in the dayplay in a fundamentally different way from a VT, like attempting to manipulate their chance of getting nightkilled or something, I fundamentally disagree as I think it's too hard to do; you'll play the daygame much worst or paradoxically spew your role to scum precisely because you set out to do something besides play all your games the same.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:35:34 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

more than you are doing. just saying.

meh that comes off poorly. sorry. but if you don't like the topic being discussed you should invite another one, not just complain about what it is people are actually discussing.
I was intending to do that soonish.  I am playing battlegrounds while reading/rereading so it's very slow.  My last game on f.ds wasn't very active so I wasn't expecting drawing it out to make much difference
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 12:39:03 am
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?
Best play is always to treat setups as vanilla except for factors you just can't ignore.

I mean if you were not a Vt in a game that has deductible logic in it and you are town you def shouldn't play it "from a vt pov" that is just wasted knowledge. But I think I get your point. and if I do, I at least moderately agree with it.
"Oh I rolled Doctor I should probably decide who the mafia want to kill tonight and message the mod their name or I'm throwing away lots of value" would be what I mean by "except for factors you can't ignore."  If you think a Doctor should participate in the dayplay in a fundamentally different way from a VT, like attempting to manipulate their chance of getting nightkilled or something, I fundamentally disagree as I think it's too hard to do; you'll play the daygame much worst or paradoxically spew your role to scum precisely because you set out to do something besides play all your games the same.

I think our defn of "play" is different. I guess my word would be more appropriately "approach".
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 12:41:06 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

more than you are doing. just saying.

meh that comes off poorly. sorry. but if you don't like the topic being discussed you should invite another one, not just complain about what it is people are actually discussing.
I was intending to do that soonish.  I am playing battlegrounds while reading/rereading so it's very slow.  My last game on f.ds wasn't very active so I wasn't expecting drawing it out to make much difference

fds day 1s are, in a summary:
1 parts RVS
2 parts set up talk
a dash of bitters
900 dashes of MiX and faust leading random conversation
set oven to 450 and wait until 3 hours to DL and randomly lynch one of the wagons.


so if you got something to talk about. please, switch it up .
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 12:42:00 am
also battlegrounds like HS battlegrounds? love that game
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 12:48:28 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

more than you are doing. just saying.

meh that comes off poorly. sorry. but if you don't like the topic being discussed you should invite another one, not just complain about what it is people are actually discussing.
I was intending to do that soonish.  I am playing battlegrounds while reading/rereading so it's very slow.  My last game on f.ds wasn't very active so I wasn't expecting drawing it out to make much difference

fds day 1s are, in a summary:
1 parts RVS
2 parts set up talk
a dash of bitters
900 dashes of MiX and faust leading random conversation
set oven to 450 and wait until 3 hours to DL and randomly lynch one of the wagons.


so if you got somrething to talk about. please, switch it up .

Ha! This is great. And reflects my general feels on D1. I'm on board for a different approach. (sadly I don't have one myself)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:49:19 am
Agreed, Space!

Oh hi Space!

I almost had the same reaction, so you're town.

Heh.. I found it so ammusing I pointed it out to my French lockdown-lodger :-P Shame I haven't managed to get him back here to play any more Mafia.

I've been out of the loop for a couple of games. Anyone want to fill me in on anything relevant that's been happening, since I'm unlikely to have time to read it all?
This is scummy posting, not terribly so and for the more obvious reasons, that the proportional lack of interest in the game at hand isn't a great look.
Heyo.

We could reverse engineer what roles are likely in the game based on the choices that skum made for their powers?

Normally, that would be an insta pass I know... but since skum literally knew the roles in play prior to their selections... it is not really giving them any info they don't already have.

TBF I also do not know how helpful mapping it out would be for us... thoughts?

I like this approach - I mean even if not helpful, I don't see how it can hurt.
It will give them information about who doesn't have certain roles. Which seems to matter them, since they chose the rolecop.
This is probably a townslip on the other hand, assuming without deciding it's true, I think scum would be likely to think of or characterize their decision in this way/with this wording.  Rolecops typically return to kill their targets the following night because they found out their target was "anything but VT".
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:50:00 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

more than you are doing. just saying.

meh that comes off poorly. sorry. but if you don't like the topic being discussed you should invite another one, not just complain about what it is people are actually discussing.
I was intending to do that soonish.  I am playing battlegrounds while reading/rereading so it's very slow.  My last game on f.ds wasn't very active so I wasn't expecting drawing it out to make much difference

fds day 1s are, in a summary:
1 parts RVS
2 parts set up talk
a dash of bitters
900 dashes of MiX and faust leading random conversation
set oven to 450 and wait until 3 hours to DL and randomly lynch one of the wagons.


so if you got something to talk about. please, switch it up .
Oh I am becoming aware of how I have dramatically altered this formula in the past
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:52:09 am
And yeah I have a mostly dragons comp but i'm gonna try to squeeze a Goldgrubber in
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:54:34 am
Goldgrubber is always a trap children
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 23, 2020, 12:55:03 am
Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

I appreciate that you asked this. I was about to do so, and then I thought to myself, 登kay but is this actually something scum does, or just something that annoys me? Is it actually townie to do something that annoys me, given that avoiding annoying me has to be a priority for scum? One thing my brother, who is a much bette me town player than I, has taught me is too look for scum inconsistencies rather than just actions than seem unhelpful.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:58:40 am
Vote:Robz88
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 01:26:19 am
Vote:Robz88
spaces between ":" and "player name"

like this

Vote: Robz
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 23, 2020, 03:14:21 am
Gotta start the game off right with a traditional Vote: LaLight.

This is amazing and annotation worthy after the game
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 06:31:25 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

Dang.. this is a cruel post for me to read just after I wanted to correct scolapasta on why it's not useful only to enumerate the points breakdowns when different roles at the same point values have differet chances of getting rolled.

OTOH, I do think that fleshing out better distribution estimates is not something we need to do openly in-thread immediately. I reserve the right to have my fun D3 or so, assuming it looks useful for us to know about at that point :-)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 06:31:42 am
Goldgrubber is always a trap children
*unless you're rafaam
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 06:33:29 am
Vote: Space for being anti-funny

Meh, Vote: Galz for being anti-space... when am I ever successfully pro-funny? Ask Didds or LL whether they remember me being humorous in person...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 06:42:09 am
Goldgrubber is always a trap children
*unless you're rafaam

You wrote that my "proportional lack of interest in the game at hand isn't a great look". At least I was talking about the game we're in right now ;-)
(I googled "Goldgrubber" and figure it's not MCU-related.. haven't actually looked up what rafaam is, but am assuming similar).

Anyway, I guess it's accurate that I'm not feeling super-engaged yet, but yesterday was the end of a busy day, and right now it's just a quick between-meetings coffee break. For me, the main purpose of D1 is to create wagons for future wagon analysis, and I often find myself regretting in later days that I didn't move my vote around enough to get better PoE, so I'm trying to at least do some voting to help later.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 07:43:54 am
Space what's your pronouns I don't remember
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 07:44:21 am
oh wait I found them on third look
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 08:07:44 am
I like this pops. Seems town, or wants to be town. That's a completely different pops from the one that dayvigs 2 IRL days in.

What do you think of joth? What do you think of people in general, you were talking a lot in general.

Vote: Space for being anti-funny

Meh, Vote: Galz for being anti-space... when am I ever successfully pro-funny? Ask Didds or LL whether they remember me being humorous in person...

You're funny sometimes. It might not be NAI to be unfunny, although I have no idea what Galzria meant by it, what post was he referencing?

Honestly I'd like a clarification from him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 08:26:48 am
vote: Galzria
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 08:29:17 am
I'm gonna box that next person who talks about mechanics again, which could be anybody, because it's all any of you are doing.  It's a really good way to make an environment where scum can hide and town can't find anything.  Please stop

more than you are doing. just saying.

meh that comes off poorly. sorry. but if you don't like the topic being discussed you should invite another one, not just complain about what it is people are actually discussing.
I was intending to do that soonish.  I am playing battlegrounds while reading/rereading so it's very slow.  My last game on f.ds wasn't very active so I wasn't expecting drawing it out to make much difference

fds day 1s are, in a summary:
1 parts RVS
2 parts set up talk
a dash of bitters
900 dashes of MiX and faust leading random conversation
set oven to 450 and wait until 3 hours to DL and randomly lynch one of the wagons.


so if you got something to talk about. please, switch it up .

This is a sig-worthy post.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 23, 2020, 08:43:40 am
I like this pops. Seems town, or wants to be town. That's a completely different pops from the one that dayvigs 2 IRL days in.

What do you think of joth? What do you think of people in general, you were talking a lot in general.

Vote: Space for being anti-funny

Meh, Vote: Galz for being anti-space... when am I ever successfully pro-funny? Ask Didds or LL whether they remember me being humorous in person...

You're funny sometimes. It might not be NAI to be unfunny, although I have no idea what Galzria meant by it, what post was he referencing?

Honestly I'd like a clarification from him.

It wasn't faux panic, it came from the panic region of France which makes it authentic

This made me genuinely laugh out loud!

Vote: Chairs for being funny :-)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 08:44:22 am
Aww, RVS :(

I thought you had something there.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 23, 2020, 08:45:32 am
Good morning!!

Swowl, the D1 recipe is everything. I ❤️ you.

MiX, I知 laughing at your pops dayvig reference. Definitely a different pops here. I dig it. What are you thinking about chairs? (Other than the obvious mutual admiration?)  What about Galz?

Hi Joth! You and I are good. Thanks for asking.

Space is for sure funny! It痴  a dry observational humor mixed with genuine charm.

Scola, friend, how are you? I知 not finding you scummy! That痴 good news!!

Pops, hi! I don稚 know what a goldgrubber is, but it reminds me of gradegrubbers which is what I call students looking for extra points for anything well after the time for earning points has passed. And gradegrubbing is indeed, a trap. The setup talk is hard for me to grok, plus I love the idea of boxing anyone, so I知 totally here for the new and improved Ctown D1 recipe.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 08:47:02 am
chairs looks scummy, Galz looks scummy, but I haven't given it much thought.

Which probably means they're both town...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 23, 2020, 09:01:08 am
How many ways can you split 8 into a sum of integers is a fun problem, but in this game it's irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. Shutting scola down seems MiX is trying to control the conversation a bit much.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 09:04:14 am
How many ways can you split 8 into a sum of integers is a fun problem, but in this game it's irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. Shutting scola down seems MiX is trying to control the conversation a bit much.

I wanted to correct scolapasta on why it's not useful only to enumerate the points breakdowns when different roles at the same point values have differet chances of getting rolled.

Except "why" is a Space thing to do, I just assume people won't understand my explanation and shut it down.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 23, 2020, 09:31:03 am
Why so glum, MiX?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 10:01:14 am
Good morning!!

Swowl, the D1 recipe is everything. I ❤️ you.

MiX, I知 laughing at your pops dayvig reference. Definitely a different pops here. I dig it. What are you thinking about chairs? (Other than the obvious mutual admiration?)  What about Galz?

Hi Joth! You and I are good. Thanks for asking.

Space is for sure funny! It痴  a dry observational humor mixed with genuine charm.

Scola, friend, how are you? I知 not finding you scummy! That痴 good news!!

Pops, hi! I don稚 know what a goldgrubber is, but it reminds me of gradegrubbers which is what I call students looking for extra points for anything well after the time for earning points has passed. And gradegrubbing is indeed, a trap. The setup talk is hard for me to grok, plus I love the idea of boxing anyone, so I知 totally here for the new and improved Ctown D1 recipe.
Goldgrubber is the "major" you pick up long after the time has passed for you to have decided on a major
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 23, 2020, 10:06:35 am
Ha! Goldgrubbers, then, are the WORST and have all of my ire and contempt.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 10:10:20 am
I like this pops. Seems town, or wants to be town. That's a completely different pops from the one that dayvigs 2 IRL days in.

What do you think of joth? What do you think of people in general, you were talking a lot in general.

Vote: Space for being anti-funny

Meh, Vote: Galz for being anti-space... when am I ever successfully pro-funny? Ask Didds or LL whether they remember me being humorous in person...

You're funny sometimes. It might not be NAI to be unfunny, although I have no idea what Galzria meant by it, what post was he referencing?

Honestly I'd like a clarification from him.
How dare you Mix.  The zombie game didn't require that much effort, with the wincon being somewhat town adjacent and my play being somewhat obscure here.  But new game and you should not be townreading just because I don't have a dayvig, I doubt this setup even has dayvigs.  I have done like, nothing this game I couldn't emulate as scum.

Tell me exactly what you are (pretending to) townread.

Like

iZombie allowed me to openwolf for specific reasons but I woudln't do that in singleball

And this seems like willful ignorance.


I guess Didds agrees with you
but like she always seems scummy
There were many zombie meeting sessions about how scummy Didds was but I think she flipped town that game.
otoh I think you're more authentic than this if you're town I feel paranoid you anticipated other positive reactions to my A-type mafia personality townplay and want to townread the thing you're gonna NK anyway, but I don't think I've done anything actually evidencing my alignment, only had healthful style
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 10:10:59 am
im drunk so im going to not play hearthstone so i don't buy the gold grubbers, but I am about play some m tg
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 10:19:18 am
Woah, pops is drunk angry. I can feel the disgust at lazy townreading him from here.

You dodged the question: what do you think of joth?

The rest of your post is a drunken mess, I'll answer it in a bit on non-mobile.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 10:30:28 am
joth is town i dont remember you asking ur eyeball is a drunken mess
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 10:31:14 am
pls feel scumread in a feminine way
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 10:49:54 am
How dare you Mix.  The zombie game didn't require that much effort, with the wincon being somewhat town adjacent and my play being somewhat obscure here.  But new game and you should not be townreading just because I don't have a dayvig, I doubt this setup even has dayvigs.  I have done like, nothing this game I couldn't emulate as scum.

Tell me exactly what you are (pretending to) townread.

Like

iZombie allowed me to openwolf for specific reasons but I woudln't do that in singleball

And this seems like willful ignorance.


I guess Didds agrees with you
but like she always seems scummy
There were many zombie meeting sessions about how scummy Didds was but I think she flipped town that game.
otoh I think you're more authentic than this if you're town I feel paranoid you anticipated other positive reactions to my A-type mafia personality townplay and want to townread the thing you're gonna NK anyway, but I don't think I've done anything actually evidencing my alignment, only had healthful style

Well I wasn't really townreading you, you just wanted to look like town, which is different. Different from third-party isn't a read.

But then I did townread you so I don't know. It's not what I meant in the post you quoted anyway.

I think you're just being genuine. I think you're being very conscious that you're hard to read and you play in a generally scummy way, and instead of breaking that openly, you're playing heavily into it. The setup thoughts look very pops, early reading people using "evidence" in posts feels right and not made up, your vote is good, and overall you're not paying attention to the game and just saying things, and given how correct those things are, I'd say they come from town trying to be right than scum making stuff up on the spot.

This post is pretty scummy, however. You assume I'm townreading you and you crush it, then you assume I'm scum a bunch of times in a row and describe yourself as "healthful".

joth is town i dont remember you asking ur eyeball is a drunken mess

Nah, he's not. You'd know, right?

pls feel scumread in a feminine way

I can't even begin to start trying to address this post.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 10:51:10 am
Why so glum, MiX?

I don't think I'm being glum...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 11:24:37 am
How many ways can you split 8 into a sum of integers is a fun problem, but in this game it's irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. Shutting scola down seems MiX is trying to control the conversation a bit much.

I wanted to correct scolapasta on why it's not useful only to enumerate the points breakdowns when different roles at the same point values have differet chances of getting rolled.

Except "why" is a Space thing to do, I just assume people won't understand my explanation and shut it down.

I tend not to worry too much about whether everyone gets my explanations... over-explaining things is an IRL passtime of mine too, unfortunately.

Anyway, if the explanation is there, and there's at least one technical person who can vouch to the thread that I'm making sense, then at least I can be held to my statements, and the same should go for other people. I'm not a big fan of stating stuff and dropping votes with no explanation, though I think it works better for some players' play-styles than others. To clarify, I'm not saying I can's see the utility of being able to drop a vote without being expected to say anything further about it, particularly for people who might have PR-derived info... I just don't personally feel comfortable with deliberate uncertainty on the whole.

As for EFHW calling MiX out, @EFHW, presumably you'd actually agree that if we were to want to talk about role distributions in the thread here, then the frequency with which the different roles are expected to be rolled is actually relevant as well as the number of possible role-point sums?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 23, 2020, 11:28:08 am
Space is for sure funny! It痴  a dry observational humor mixed with genuine charm.

I sign every word. Space, I love your humor
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 23, 2020, 11:50:26 am
As for EFHW calling MiX out, @EFHW, presumably you'd actually agree that if we were to want to talk about role distributions in the thread here, then the frequency with which the different roles are expected to be rolled is actually relevant as well as the number of possible role-point sums?

Actually, no. It depends how you want to use the information. If you are trying to predict stuff, then yes. If you want a comprehensive look at the possibilities, then it doesn't matter if some are more probable than others.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 11:52:19 am
MiX thinks I'm scum. Must be Thursday.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 12:20:15 pm
MiX thinks I'm scum. Must be Thursday.

It is!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 12:30:00 pm
As for EFHW calling MiX out, @EFHW, presumably you'd actually agree that if we were to want to talk about role distributions in the thread here, then the frequency with which the different roles are expected to be rolled is actually relevant as well as the number of possible role-point sums?

Actually, no. It depends how you want to use the information. If you are trying to predict stuff, then yes. If you want a comprehensive look at the possibilities, then it doesn't matter if some are more probable than others.

Right, I think there's value added in both. I also don't think my enumeration was rocket science, but was useful enough for me to start wrapping my head and what kinds of combinations we might have.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 12:30:57 pm
Those who have played with popsofctown before, is this their usual style of play? (it's fairly different from the rest of y'all so just trying to calibrate my radar).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 12:32:23 pm
I can link as many towngames or scumgames of mine as your heart desires if your heart desires them
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 12:39:18 pm
My heart desires a lot of things... reading through a bunch of old games on my vacation day is not exactly one of them... ;)

I will say your posts do seem in character for you from other non mafia posts I've read, so there's that, which feels towny.

I am trying to hone in on some non RVS D1 vote, but while I have some ideas, it's still at my usual elusive D1 distance...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 23, 2020, 12:47:23 pm
D1 is the best day because you can just spout off whatever and it doesn't matter, because D1 scum hunting is pretty dumb unless scum make a big faux pas. I generally just vote based on who's annoyed me, a die roll, or because I'm cheerfully taking the piss.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 01:01:59 pm
D1 is the best day for the totally opposite reasons you're spouting chairs, it has the most complex dayplay, it's analagous to a chess midgame
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 23, 2020, 01:16:54 pm
I'm townreading joth, but I may have forgotten what it would feel like to *not* townread joth.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 23, 2020, 01:18:14 pm
Those who have played with popsofctown before, is this their usual style of play? (it's fairly different from the rest of y'all so just trying to calibrate my radar).

It's very much their usual style of play.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 23, 2020, 01:35:50 pm
im drunk so im going to not play hearthstone so i don't buy the gold grubbers, but I am about play some m tg

Pops, where are you located? I am totally down for daytime drunk mafia because lockdown has erased all sense of time in our house.

I'm I remembering you use "she", but don't care much about pronouns?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 23, 2020, 01:36:22 pm
D1 is the best day because you can just spout off whatever and it doesn't matter, because D1 scum hunting is pretty dumb unless scum make a big faux pas. I generally just vote based on who's annoyed me, a die roll, or because I'm cheerfully taking the piss.
faux again!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 23, 2020, 01:36:50 pm
D1 is the best day for the totally opposite reasons you're spouting chairs, it has the most complex dayplay, it's analagous to a chess midgame

This is helpful. I suck at chess and D1.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 02:01:49 pm
D1 is the best day for the totally opposite reasons you're spouting chairs, it has the most complex dayplay, it's analagous to a chess midgame

D1 is the entire game. It's hard to lose a game where scum's the D1 exile (unless LaLight's scum, of course) and it's honestly hard to reverse the momentum of a town exile. It breaks morale a bit too much for town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 02:28:09 pm
Those who have played with popsofctown before, is this their usual style of play? (it's fairly different from the rest of y'all so just trying to calibrate my radar).

from my limited experience, yes. I find him a breath of fresh air tbh.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 02:29:44 pm
D1 is the best day for the totally opposite reasons you're spouting chairs, it has the most complex dayplay, it's analagous to a chess midgame

D1 is the entire game. It's hard to lose a game where scum's the D1 exile (unless LaLight's scum, of course) and it's honestly hard to reverse the momentum of a town exile. It breaks morale a bit too much for town.

ha. a D1 misexile affects my town morale not at all. I'm very Bayesian about it, it's my prior. I'm pleasantly surprised when we hit scum. Mostly, D1 is for getting information and kickstarting the game.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 02:32:42 pm
im drunk so im going to not play hearthstone so i don't buy the gold grubbers, but I am about play some m tg

Pops, where are you located? I am totally down for daytime drunk mafia because lockdown has erased all sense of time in our house.

I'm I remembering you use "she", but don't care much about pronouns?

I just bought my first home bottle of Scotch, so next drunk mafia is going to be  ... a lot.

(Finlaggan Old Reserve, since I know someone is going to ask. It was a bit of a value buy, on clearance at this huge liquor store at a rest stop in New Hampshire.)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 03:07:25 pm
im drunk so im going to not play hearthstone so i don't buy the gold grubbers, but I am about play some m tg

Pops, where are you located? I am totally down for daytime drunk mafia because lockdown has erased all sense of time in our house.

I'm I remembering you use "she", but don't care much about pronouns?
Apparently drunkpops cares more than soberpops.

I'm on hiatus from employment due to relatively high infection rates in my area and am kind of leading a lifestyle that transcends timezones for the most part.


There is actually some clusters of data showing lots of town losses for day one scum exiles, but only in larger games.  I think it's correlation, not causation, though.  The alignment of the player everyone through their vote down on doesn't matter that much, what matters is the multitude of impressions about everyone in the whole playerlist.  In my philosophy.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 03:12:28 pm
My heart desires a lot of things... reading through a bunch of old games on my vacation day is not exactly one of them... ;)

I will say your posts do seem in character for you from other non mafia posts I've read, so there's that, which feels towny.

I am trying to hone in on some non RVS D1 vote, but while I have some ideas, it's still at my usual elusive D1 distance...
Could you explain why emulating my offtopic posting closely would make me town in your view?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 03:12:58 pm
I can see that pops, but given half the games we play are RMMs, early exiles tend to be more important than they look at first.

In this game it shouldn't matter that much. This is a... 4 mislynch game? Which is I think 1 more than the usual.

I still really like D1 as it's the only day I can scumhunt without needing to care about PRs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 23, 2020, 03:14:23 pm
When we exile scum on D1, I do a dance of exuberant joy. It's super fun, so let's do that.

Joth, starting with a peaty one.  I like it!!

I'm kind of finding Mix more understated than usual.  Could be the dayvig PTSD from Pops, or could be scum Mix. Not super sure yet.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 23, 2020, 03:29:23 pm
Don't get me twisted I love exiling scum D1 but I don't feel bad when we misexile.

That being said the SK D1 exile from Dynasty Warriors was crucial to our sweep after.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 03:30:12 pm
I can see that pops, but given half the games we play are RMMs, early exiles tend to be more important than they look at first.

In this game it shouldn't matter that much. This is a... 4 mislynch game? Which is I think 1 more than the usual.

I still really like D1 as it's the only day I can scumhunt without needing to care about PRs.
Yeah in a normal game a d1 exile doesn't affect nightplay much because it's usually a goon and roles like rolecop have less meaning that doctor or cop

In role madness exiling mafia d1 means you didn't exile and/or out cops and doctors do to the density so that's a big nightplay impact.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 03:47:38 pm
isn't anyone going to ask me why I voted for Galzria?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 03:50:30 pm
isn't anyone going to ask me why I voted for Galzria?

No.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 03:54:43 pm
isn't anyone going to ask me why I voted for Galzria?

No.

Well than I'm not telling! But you should all join me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 03:55:58 pm
Why should we join you?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 23, 2020, 04:04:25 pm
Maybe he's got cookies? But then he's the dark side ergo scum.

Vote: jotheonah
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 23, 2020, 04:06:38 pm
D1 is the best day for the totally opposite reasons you're spouting chairs, it has the most complex dayplay, it's analagous to a chess midgame

D1 is the entire game. It's hard to lose a game where scum's the D1 exile (unless LaLight's scum, of course) and it's honestly hard to reverse the momentum of a town exile. It breaks morale a bit too much for town.

firstly, awwwww thanks, secondly, are you buddying me?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 04:07:10 pm
My heart desires a lot of things... reading through a bunch of old games on my vacation day is not exactly one of them... ;)

I will say your posts do seem in character for you from other non mafia posts I've read, so there's that, which feels towny.

I am trying to hone in on some non RVS D1 vote, but while I have some ideas, it's still at my usual elusive D1 distance...
Could you explain why emulating my offtopic posting closely would make me town in your view?

Honestly, it's a small thing, but as I've never played with you, I'm trying to just find something to get any kind of bearing. Are you saying it's wrong?

I hear everyone on D1 - clearly it's something I need to get better at. Not sure it's going to happen this game, though.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 04:07:50 pm
isn't anyone going to ask me why I voted for Galzria?

No.

Well than I'm not telling! But you should all join me.

I'll bite. Why are you voting for Galz?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 04:10:20 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 04:12:25 pm
This game is a great example of how well scum can do when they are all (mostly) active.

I mean, Scum should generally do well when active. I have notes in my QT where I talked about intentionally being less active to lean into an older established meta of mine - dictated by the group we were playing with. If the game were largely the 渡ewer (to me, since returning for M100) crowd, I think I would致e played more forward and 妬n control. I certainly find it WAY easier to be active scum than inactive scum - I hate feeling a loss of game control.

Also, this is an important quote from Galzria in the aftermath of the game we just finished, where he was scum. Do you think Galz is being active, forward, and in control this game?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 04:13:20 pm
He's impatient to get a wagon going.

isn't anyone going to ask me why I voted for Galzria?

Yeah I agree that seems scummy.

This game is a great example of how well scum can do when they are all (mostly) active.

I mean, Scum should generally do well when active. I have notes in my QT where I talked about intentionally being less active to lean into an older established meta of mine - dictated by the group we were playing with. If the game were largely the 渡ewer (to me, since returning for M100) crowd, I think I would致e played more forward and 妬n control. I certainly find it WAY easier to be active scum than inactive scum - I hate feeling a loss of game control.

Also, this is an important quote from Galzria in the aftermath of the game we just finished, where he was scum. Do you think Galz is being active, forward, and in control this game?

That takes at least 1 day to realize. That's kinda why I'm not talking about him, he's solvable eventually, and early D1 is not when that happens.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 04:14:54 pm
He's impatient to get a wagon going.

isn't anyone going to ask me why I voted for Galzria?

Yeah I agree that seems scummy.


Ah, but there's a big important difference: I'm trying to start a wagon from nothing. Smart scum tries to start a wagon from somebody else's idea.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 04:15:56 pm
Does that mean I'm town? Neat.

Hey everyone join the joth wagon, best place to be in.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 04:16:08 pm
My heart desires a lot of things... reading through a bunch of old games on my vacation day is not exactly one of them... ;)

I will say your posts do seem in character for you from other non mafia posts I've read, so there's that, which feels towny.

I am trying to hone in on some non RVS D1 vote, but while I have some ideas, it's still at my usual elusive D1 distance...
Could you explain why emulating my offtopic posting closely would make me town in your view?

Honestly, it's a small thing, but as I've never played with you, I'm trying to just find something to get any kind of bearing. Are you saying it's wrong?

I hear everyone on D1 - clearly it's something I need to get better at. Not sure it's going to happen this game, though.

I would be of the opinion it's wrong.  Playing mafia is different from using English to discuss stuff, but when you roll scum you win if you play as little mafia as possible, so the more someone feels like an out of game players the more likely they are to be scum.   I try to be pretty conversational as both alignments just because mafia is more fun that way (?) People win more if they're having fun rationalize (?) So anyway mostly I would place very small weight on it, but if I had to pick a direction, I would say seeming conversational is scum indicative.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 04:17:09 pm
Does that mean I'm town? Neat.
Shoot: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 04:17:15 pm
@MiX why is it that whenever I send out the obvtown memo everybody gets it but you? Do I have your address wrong?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 04:19:17 pm
Does that mean I'm town? Neat.
Shoot: MiX

Joke's on you I checked if there was a dayvig in this setup before my first post. There isn't.

@MiX why is it that whenever I send out the obvtown memo everybody gets it but you? Do I have your address wrong?

Yes.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 04:22:23 pm
shoot: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 04:29:10 pm
Does that mean I'm town? Neat.
Shoot: MiX

Joke's on you I checked if there was a dayvig in this setup before my first post. There isn't.


Ask yourself, if you're playing in such a way that this is a necessary step, should you rethink your playstyle?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 04:30:21 pm
Does that mean I'm town? Neat.
Shoot: MiX

Joke's on you I checked if there was a dayvig in this setup before my first post. There isn't.


Ask yourself, if you're playing in such a way that this is a necessary step, should you rethink your playstyle?

No. I got 3 out of 3 correct scum reads that game and we won, both me and the person that shot me. I see no reason to change.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 04:34:24 pm
My heart desires a lot of things... reading through a bunch of old games on my vacation day is not exactly one of them... ;)

I will say your posts do seem in character for you from other non mafia posts I've read, so there's that, which feels towny.

I am trying to hone in on some non RVS D1 vote, but while I have some ideas, it's still at my usual elusive D1 distance...
Could you explain why emulating my offtopic posting closely would make me town in your view?

Honestly, it's a small thing, but as I've never played with you, I'm trying to just find something to get any kind of bearing. Are you saying it's wrong?

I hear everyone on D1 - clearly it's something I need to get better at. Not sure it's going to happen this game, though.

I would be of the opinion it's wrong.  Playing mafia is different from using English to discuss stuff, but when you roll scum you win if you play as little mafia as possible, so the more someone feels like an out of game players the more likely they are to be scum.   I try to be pretty conversational as both alignments just because mafia is more fun that way (?) People win more if they're having fun rationalize (?) So anyway mostly I would place very small weight on it, but if I had to pick a direction, I would say seeming conversational is scum indicative.

Man, you're hurting my head... so the reasons I would give you some town cred are really reasons I should think you're scum. Which why would you say that, if you were scum.

I don't know, I'm leaving this thread for a little and going to join in with joth.

Vote: galz

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 23, 2020, 04:41:49 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 05:10:18 pm
D1 is the best day for the totally opposite reasons you're spouting chairs, it has the most complex dayplay, it's analagous to a chess midgame

This is helpful. I suck at chess and D1.

Hmm.. I fail to see the link between this and chess. Unless you have a version of chess where paying attention to your opponent's shoelaces or the weather outside has as much bearing on the game state as the pieces on the board, and where nobody's going to tell you what extra details were in any way important until later.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 05:15:31 pm
I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

Isn't that part of the point Joth was bringing up at #189?

This game is a great example of how well scum can do when they are all (mostly) active.

I mean, Scum should generally do well when active. I have notes in my QT where I talked about intentionally being less active to lean into an older established meta of mine - dictated by the group we were playing with. If the game were largely the 渡ewer (to me, since returning for M100) crowd, I think I would致e played more forward and 妬n control. I certainly find it WAY easier to be active scum than inactive scum - I hate feeling a loss of game control.

Also, this is an important quote from Galzria in the aftermath of the game we just finished, where he was scum. Do you think Galz is being active, forward, and in control this game?

I mean, I guess I could read it as Joth expecting Galz to play exactly as he's just advertized that he would, but I feel like as soon as someone thinks they have a handle on their scum play, they're going to try not to do exaclty what they just said they'd do, as either alignment.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 05:17:00 pm
pls feel scumread in a feminine way

I can't even begin to start trying to address this post.

@MiX, just in case you're missing it, I think Pops is trying to point out to you that you were misgendering her.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 05:20:03 pm
Space what's your pronouns I don't remember

I know you followed this post up with a note that you'd found them, but in case anyone else would like a reminder, I'm they/them by preference, or she/her for people who can't deal with that. "Default he" will sometimes get a pretty cranky response.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 05:21:34 pm
It's 2020, everyone can deal with the singular they.  8)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 05:22:51 pm
It's 2020, everyone can deal with the singular they.  8)

That gets really confusing really fast, especially with people that are they by themselves.

Space what's your pronouns I don't remember

I know you followed this post up with a note that you'd found them, but in case anyone else would like a reminder, I'm they/them by preference, or she/her for people who can't deal with that. "Default he" will sometimes get a pretty cranky response.

Thank you, I forgot.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 05:24:12 pm
Space is for sure funny! It痴  a dry observational humor mixed with genuine charm.

I sign every word. Space, I love your humor

Hrrrrm.. I remain sceptical about humor and humour.

What did you think of my accompanying vote? Are you voting for anyone yet?

In other news, I haven't yet instantiated my vote counter for this game.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 23, 2020, 05:32:47 pm
It's 2020, everyone can deal with the singular they.  8)

If only! I'm closely related to at least one person who doesn't deal at all well, and I've never had the confidence to try to use it in a professional context :-(

As for online use, I do find I get a bit unreasonably frustrated at being called "he", so I try to bias people so they fall down on the side of the gender binary I'm more used to IRL, if they're going to gender me anyway.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 05:35:55 pm
D1 is the best day for the totally opposite reasons you're spouting chairs, it has the most complex dayplay, it's analagous to a chess midgame

This is helpful. I suck at chess and D1.

Hmm.. I fail to see the link between this and chess. Unless you have a version of chess where paying attention to your opponent's shoelaces or the weather outside has as much bearing on the game state as the pieces on the board, and where nobody's going to tell you what extra details were in any way important until later.
If you're one of those "no one ever plays better than random at mafia" misanthropes I need to reload my day gun
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 05:43:42 pm
I think I remember Galzria being lurky as town but having some townish flavor when they did come around.  I kind of have a bad watched-pot-won't-boil-right-vibe about the punishment initiative, seems like the sort that will become sort of harder to sort if you get out of sorts
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 06:15:41 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

are you saying that galz is not being lurky in this game?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 06:24:24 pm
weirdly, he's lurking but when he checked in he was very forceful. so... idk what I mean.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 06:31:45 pm
weirdly, he's lurking but when he checked in he was very forceful. so... idk what I mean.
TELL ME WHY I PICKED SHUDDERWOCK WHEN I KNOW IN MY HEART IT'S WRONG
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 06:33:06 pm
weirdly, he's lurking but when he checked in he was very forceful. so... idk what I mean.
TELL ME WHY I PICKED SHUDDERWOCK WHEN I KNOW IN MY HEART IT'S WRONG

for pogos obv
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 06:55:32 pm
My first pogo was offered on the turn I knew it was impossible to survive another round, no matter what I refreshed into in that tier, I was so behind.  It was a cruel joke.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 06:55:50 pm
why did you answer for joth, are you scum with him?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 23, 2020, 07:02:40 pm
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Is this the new generation of Pokemon?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 07:04:12 pm
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Is this the new generation of Pokemon?

It's hearthstone, I think. And is pops drunk again? Why did she ask you?

It looks like a joke but for me that cements both of you as scum partners.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 07:14:32 pm
I asked jotheonah whether I should pick Eudora or Shudderwock in the Zombie Anthropologist QT.  He said Shudderwock.  I told him I wouldn't do that because it was obviously silly but for some reason when the timer ticked down to one I picked the fun but ineffective Shudderwock.

The QT window was close, so I visited the thread to express my outrage about losing 75 elo points.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 23, 2020, 07:17:35 pm
You know what, I'm switching my vote:

Vote: popsofctown

She went from indignation at setup talk, without really offering an alternative - except general discussion of D1 importance. And now hearthstone (?). Add in that the weird WIFOM back and forth with me...

Meanwhile I'll still keep my eyes on Galz' lurking / aggressiveness (though of course, it feels like this will suffer from the Observer Effect).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 23, 2020, 07:25:53 pm
vote: Pops. Constant refs to other game.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 07:47:58 pm
Lol
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 07:56:39 pm
Scolapasta, fluffposting when someone hasn't contributed to the thread is theoretically scum indicative (in application I hardly ever see it) based on the theory that they are substituting neutral content for content that would inherently expose their alignment.  But that theory doesn't work when fluffposting is additive, which apparently is what the camel backstraw was here.  Like, what is my incentive if I were scum to post about getting wrecked as jabberwock?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 23, 2020, 08:47:59 pm
As Robz put it via Mcmc: Annoying posting does not equal scummy posting.

(I don稚 think it痴 annoying at all. ❤️ Hearthstone. Posts make me chuckle).

The point being, there痴 nothing in those posts that are alignment indicative. Judge game posts, not fluff posts.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 09:01:57 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?
Swowy, I tend to think Robz has the same alignment as the Finkle Einhorn card based on this post.  Would you agree?  It's a weak feeling for me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 09:02:57 pm
As galzria has explained any of my posts that reference hearthstone cards are not game posts so let me have a private chat with swowy please  ;)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 23, 2020, 09:03:55 pm
Omg smilies have been disabled on my forum for four days I feel like I've snuck into a speakeasy getting to use them 8) 8) ;D ;D
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 23, 2020, 09:11:36 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?
Swowy, I tend to think Robz has the same alignment as the Finkle Einhorn card based on this post.  Would you agree?  It's a weak feeling for me.

What, playing for the other team? Eh.

I知 not sold on his explanation for lack of vote against Chairs. At least, he called Chairs post  殿nnoying but not scummy, and I disagree - I think it痴 scummy. Or at least, I think it痴 more in the alignment indicative category than NAI category,
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 09:20:52 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?
Swowy, I tend to think Robz has the same alignment as the Finkle Einhorn card based on this post.  Would you agree?  It's a weak feeling for me.

I cannot think of a clever enough answer for this one.
Which one is skum for you Galz or Robz?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 23, 2020, 09:24:26 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?
Swowy, I tend to think Robz has the same alignment as the Finkle Einhorn card based on this post.  Would you agree?  It's a weak feeling for me.

I cannot think of a clever enough answer for this one.
Which one is skum for you Galz or Robz?

Does one of us have to be scum? Why?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 09:25:09 pm
Fellas, please, you don't need to keep quoting.

You can just make a post that obviously refers to the last one.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 23, 2020, 09:26:49 pm
Fellas, please, you don't need to keep quoting.

You can just make a post that obviously refers to the last one.

I post almost 100% from my phone. Modifying out posts is a significant amount of work that very often ends in mistakes. Quoting and responding is much, much easier.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 09:29:27 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

what no. maybe the guy is just lazy af.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 09:31:17 pm
Swowl and Galzria are both town.

Yay, I don't need to be sorting Galzria anymore!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 23, 2020, 09:43:12 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

what no. maybe the guy is just lazy af.

I don稚 understand these accusations of inactivity (from you and/or everybody else).

The game has been open less than 36 hours. I feel like I致e been more than reasonably active & engaged. Certainly I feel like I知 doing my part to note things that ping me, and ask for more details from those that I feel haven稚 responded satisfactorily.

Yeah, I知 not MiX level active, but nobody is, and I certainly NEVER am. I知 not really sure why I知 being held to some imaginary standards that others aren稚 being held to.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 23, 2020, 09:45:05 pm
I mean, I'm MiX active...

I'll shuttup now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 23, 2020, 09:55:35 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

what no. maybe the guy is just lazy af.

I don稚 understand these accusations of inactivity (from you and/or everybody else).

The game has been open less than 36 hours. I feel like I致e been more than reasonably active & engaged. Certainly I feel like I知 doing my part to note things that ping me, and ask for more details from those that I feel haven稚 responded satisfactorily.

Yeah, I知 not MiX level active, but nobody is, and I certainly NEVER am. I知 not really sure why I知 being held to some imaginary standards that others aren稚 being held to.

you know it was a joke
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 23, 2020, 11:15:25 pm
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

what no. maybe the guy is just lazy af.

I don稚 understand these accusations of inactivity (from you and/or everybody else).

The game has been open less than 36 hours. I feel like I致e been more than reasonably active & engaged. Certainly I feel like I知 doing my part to note things that ping me, and ask for more details from those that I feel haven稚 responded satisfactorily.

Yeah, I知 not MiX level active, but nobody is, and I certainly NEVER am. I知 not really sure why I知 being held to some imaginary standards that others aren稚 being held to.

you know it was a joke

Sure. The kind that痴 built upon the non-joking accusation of others. One that further a narrative while distancing yourself from the accusations themselves.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2020, 01:17:16 am
Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

what no. maybe the guy is just lazy af.

I don稚 understand these accusations of inactivity (from you and/or everybody else).

The game has been open less than 36 hours. I feel like I致e been more than reasonably active & engaged. Certainly I feel like I知 doing my part to note things that ping me, and ask for more details from those that I feel haven稚 responded satisfactorily.

Yeah, I知 not MiX level active, but nobody is, and I certainly NEVER am. I知 not really sure why I知 being held to some imaginary standards that others aren稚 being held to.

you know it was a joke

Sure. The kind that痴 built upon the non-joking accusation of others. One that further a narrative while distancing yourself from the accusations themselves.

ok or Vote: Galz whatever you prefer
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2020, 04:05:06 am
Fellas, please, you don't need to keep quoting.

You can just make a post that obviously refers to the last one.

false. quoting is good. easier to find later.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2020, 04:06:56 am

Does one of us have to be scum? Why?

you play hearthstone I think. I am pretty sure you can piece together the inference pops was making. thus my question.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2020, 04:07:39 am
not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 24, 2020, 06:32:38 am
As galzria has explained any of my posts that reference hearthstone cards are not game posts so let me have a private chat with swowy please  ;)

Could you maybe make friends on FaceBook and not clutter the game thread?

I find it harder to feel like I'm really a part of the game when there's lots of conversation about stuff I have zero knowledge or interest in that's totally unrelated to mafia. The usual example (from my perspective) is alcohol, but Hearthstone seems to fit the bill. It's not inclusive fluff like what Didds posts, where at least it feels like she's trying to build community with everyone... if you're posting a load of stuff that only makes sense to people who've already invested in getting to know about whatever it is you're posting, then that's kind of clique-y, and I think it's easily anti-town because you're upping the number of excuses people have for not engaging when the thread is full of stuff that means nothing to them.

Vote: Popsofctown
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 24, 2020, 06:54:02 am
As galzria has explained any of my posts that reference hearthstone cards are not game posts so let me have a private chat with swowy please  ;)

Could you maybe make friends on FaceBook and not clutter the game thread?

I find it harder to feel like I'm really a part of the game when there's lots of conversation about stuff I have zero knowledge or interest in that's totally unrelated to mafia. The usual example (from my perspective) is alcohol, but Hearthstone seems to fit the bill. It's not inclusive fluff like what Didds posts, where at least it feels like she's trying to build community with everyone... if you're posting a load of stuff that only makes sense to people who've already invested in getting to know about whatever it is you're posting, then that's kind of clique-y, and I think it's easily anti-town because you're upping the number of excuses people have for not engaging when the thread is full of stuff that means nothing to them.

Vote: Popsofctown

yeah, pretty much this.
vote: Swowl
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 07:41:37 am
None of it is scummy, however. The huge wall posts because Swowl and Galzria refuse to not quote are also not, unfortunately.

They're both incredibly anti-town and distract the thread from joth's scumslip.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 07:53:26 am
I asked jotheonah whether I should pick Eudora or Shudderwock in the Zombie Anthropologist QT.  He said Shudderwock.  I told him I wouldn't do that because it was obviously silly but for some reason when the timer ticked down to one I picked the fun but ineffective Shudderwock.

The QT window was close, so I visited the thread to express my outrage about losing 75 elo points.

You're thinking of someone else because I still have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 07:56:54 am
None of it is scummy, however. The huge wall posts because Swowl and Galzria refuse to not quote are also not, unfortunately.

They're both incredibly anti-town and distract the thread from joth's scumslip.

You mis-spelled townslip.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 07:58:05 am
I asked jotheonah whether I should pick Eudora or Shudderwock in the Zombie Anthropologist QT.  He said Shudderwock.  I told him I wouldn't do that because it was obviously silly but for some reason when the timer ticked down to one I picked the fun but ineffective Shudderwock.

The QT window was close, so I visited the thread to express my outrage about losing 75 elo points.

You're thinking of someone else because I still have no idea what you're talking about.

The scummy answer

None of it is scummy, however. The huge wall posts because Swowl and Galzria refuse to not quote are also not, unfortunately.

They're both incredibly anti-town and distract the thread from joth's scumslip.

You mis-spelled townslip.

And the towny answer, moments later.

I rest my case.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 08:23:50 am
Wait what...

Sigh, I'm just really stupid. Really really dumb.

My point is with all this talk, random people are being voted for doing anti-town things, instead of town actually scumhunting, aka seeing why joth is scum.

The scumslip isn't there, it was just to see what people other than you would say.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 09:03:41 am
Well, it seems like in the absence of folks uninterested or unable to scumhunt, that voting for the anti-town folks is a pretty good fall back.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 09:10:09 am
I don稚 remember who I知 voting for....MiX, maybe? That痴 alright for now, I think. Mix, you池e feeling a little low energy to me. Are you doing okay?

I think at least one of the trio of swowl, pops, and Galz is probably scum, but probably not two of them. I知 not quite sure how to parse that out. 

I forgot Dylan was in the game. Sorry Dylan! How you been? Who痴 scum??

Thanks, Space, for knowing my intention is always to build community.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 09:15:23 am
I'm not low energy! I refuse that label.

What do you want me to do, make a case on joth? Cause I wanted other people to talk about him first.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 09:33:05 am
I'm not low energy! I refuse that label.

What do you want me to do, make a case on joth? Cause I wanted other people to talk about him first.

Im not trying to label. You just seem less enthusiastic to me, so I was checking in because I care about you. Of course this is all just words on a page and easy to misread.

Reall? scum vibes from Joth?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 09:35:20 am
It also be that I知 feeling less enthusiasm from you because we池e not in a mind meld. Sometimes I channel you, sometimes not.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 24, 2020, 10:03:00 am
vote: pops

I hate Hearthstone and I'm blaming you for Hearthstone talk occurring.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:05:27 am
not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.

I thought Galz was getting the better of swowl in their exchange, which culminated in swowl OMGUS voting for Galz, and then declaring a 24 hour partial VLA, which I read as I'm-taking-heat-gotta-get-out-of-here, and THAT is legitimately more likely to be scum behavior.
Vote: Swowl
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:06:56 am
Not at all convinced by the votes on pops. People who are extremely quiet shouldn't complain about him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 10:07:15 am
That doesn't mean he's scum.

Anti-town things are anti-town for a reason, they don't catch scum.

I'm not low energy! I refuse that label.

What do you want me to do, make a case on joth? Cause I wanted other people to talk about him first.

Im not trying to label. You just seem less enthusiastic to me, so I was checking in because I care about you. Of course this is all just words on a page and easy to misread.

Reall? scum vibes from Joth?

Yes. Yes, really.

It also be that I知 feeling less enthusiasm from you because we池e not in a mind meld. Sometimes I channel you, sometimes not.

Yeah fair enough. You're scumreading me for some reason so I guess I'm not being super towny.

Honestly I'm frustrated at all the bullshit off topic talk and Swowl/Galzria walls.

not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.

I thought Galz was getting the better of swowl in their exchange, which culminated in swowl OMGUS voting for Galz, and then declaring a 24 hour partial VLA, which I read as I'm-taking-heat-gotta-get-out-of-here, and THAT is legitimately more likely to be scum behavior.
Vote: Swowl

Wtf mate Galz can verify if he's VLA what is this logic?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:07:43 am
Not at all convinced by the votes on pops. People who are extremely quiet shouldn't complain about him.

*her? Sorry I legitimately don't know what the right thing is.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:10:15 am
not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.

I thought Galz was getting the better of swowl in their exchange, which culminated in swowl OMGUS voting for Galz, and then declaring a 24 hour partial VLA, which I read as I'm-taking-heat-gotta-get-out-of-here, and THAT is legitimately more likely to be scum behavior.
Vote: Swowl

Wtf mate Galz can verify if he's VLA what is this logic?

There's no need to announce a VLA that is "not a VLA" and just 24 hours and partway through Day 1. It reads like an excuse to walk away from an argument that wasn't going well.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 24, 2020, 10:11:38 am
Vote: swowl robz logic makes sense
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:13:02 am
The scumslip isn't there, it was just to see what people other than you would say.

vote:Mix , Exile All Liars (that's not as catchy)

vote: Swowl sheeping Robz is always a good time
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 10:18:20 am
Yes everyone vote on town!Swowl.

As one of the people that pushed Swan as scum recently, this will end in a misexile. It has all the inditions.

Indications? Whatever.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 10:20:26 am
Exile all liars isn稚 as catchy but EAL is alright. I find eels unnerving, so it kind of goes.

Mixy, I think anytime I find you different than usual I read that a scummy. I知 often correct, so I try to trust that. But this feels different different. I don稚 know.

I like that Robz was able to articulate something from the frustration many of us were feeling about that set of exchanges. +1 for him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:36:17 am
Yes everyone vote on town!Swowl.

As one of the people that pushed Swan as scum recently, this will end in a misexile. It has all the inditions.

Indications? Whatever.

Ok, if you insist vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 24, 2020, 11:35:11 am
not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.

I thought Galz was getting the better of swowl in their exchange, which culminated in swowl OMGUS voting for Galz, and then declaring a 24 hour partial VLA, which I read as I'm-taking-heat-gotta-get-out-of-here, and THAT is legitimately more likely to be scum behavior.
Vote: Swowl

? I hat argument lol

Weakest case ever here man
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 24, 2020, 12:20:05 pm
Re: off topic posts

By themselves, agreed they are anti-town and not scummy.

But the context of my vote was more than that - if there were both off topic and on topic, sure, but what's the point of just off topic? whether purposeful or not, it is distracting. And it makes later days harder because going back to reread is more of a chore.

Seems like a good smoke screen to hide behind. i.e.
Step 1. do anti-town things.
Step 2. Declare it's not scummy, just anti-town.
Step 3. Repeat step 1.

Add in no actual helpful topics?

(and I agree, there is room for friendly fluffiness, because we're all in effective quarantine (I hope) and it's nice to have some chatter, but this Hearthstone talk (know I at least know the reference) ain't that.)

tldr: just because anti-town isn't always scummy doesn't mean anti-town is always not scummy
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 01:01:40 pm
I think it痴 far easier more likely for scum to hide behind the artifice of false indignation over the existence of off-topic fluff posts than it is for scum to continuously go through the effort of making them. It痴 the easiest of ways to appear pro-Town without actually committing to anything game-relevant.

I知 happy with my Chairs vote right now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 01:07:37 pm
Re: off topic posts

By themselves, agreed they are anti-town and not scummy.

But the context of my vote was more than that - if there were both off topic and on topic, sure, but what's the point of just off topic? whether purposeful or not, it is distracting. And it makes later days harder because going back to reread is more of a chore.

Seems like a good smoke screen to hide behind. i.e.
Step 1. do anti-town things.
Step 2. Declare it's not scummy, just anti-town.
Step 3. Repeat step 1.

Add in no actual helpful topics?

(and I agree, there is room for friendly fluffiness, because we're all in effective quarantine (I hope) and it's nice to have some chatter, but this Hearthstone talk (know I at least know the reference) ain't that.)

tldr: just because anti-town isn't always scummy doesn't mean anti-town is always not scummy

this is the kind of plan that town imagines scum having all the time and scum never actually has
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 01:08:20 pm
Vote count please
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 01:31:25 pm
Checks out with scola never have being scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 01:35:20 pm
Checks out with scola never have being scum.

And I'm pretty sure he still hasn't.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 01:36:57 pm
Checks out with scola never have being scum.

And I'm pretty sure he still hasn't.

Same.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 24, 2020, 01:46:22 pm
As galzria has explained any of my posts that reference hearthstone cards are not game posts so let me have a private chat with swowy please  ;)

Could you maybe make friends on FaceBook and not clutter the game thread?

I find it harder to feel like I'm really a part of the game when there's lots of conversation about stuff I have zero knowledge or interest in that's totally unrelated to mafia. The usual example (from my perspective) is alcohol, but Hearthstone seems to fit the bill. It's not inclusive fluff like what Didds posts, where at least it feels like she's trying to build community with everyone... if you're posting a load of stuff that only makes sense to people who've already invested in getting to know about whatever it is you're posting, then that's kind of clique-y, and I think it's easily anti-town because you're upping the number of excuses people have for not engaging when the thread is full of stuff that means nothing to them.

Vote: Popsofctown

Agree with this, although I'm not convinced it's actually scummy, at least D1.

I don稚 remember who I知 voting for....MiX, maybe? That痴 alright for now, I think. Mix, you池e feeling a little low energy to me. Are you doing okay?

I think at least one of the trio of swowl, pops, and Galz is probably scum, but probably not two of them. I知 not quite sure how to parse that out. 

I forgot Dylan was in the game. Sorry Dylan! How you been? Who痴 scum??

Thanks, Space, for knowing my intention is always to build community.

Hey, no worries! I've been well enough, I guess.  I'm not sure who's scum, but I have a couple strong townreads and a few other won't-exile-todays.  Most of them don't have any relation to current wagons or anything right now (as far as I can tell pending a vote count), so the one I will share right now is that I don't plan on joining a Robz wagon today. His play seems more similar to his last game where he was town shot N1 than I remember back before my (our?) break(s?) when I vaguely remember it being more of "if I'm scumreading him he's town and I'm incapable of having anything better than a slightly town side of null read on him."

I think it痴 far easier more likely for scum to hide behind the artifice of false indignation over the existence of off-topic fluff posts than it is for scum to continuously go through the effort of making them. It痴 the easiest of ways to appear pro-Town without actually committing to anything game-relevant.

I知 happy with my Chairs vote right now.

It's also a good way to bus your partner, as some people will probably agree with you, while others will defend your partner, and the resulting wagon is unlikely to result in exile unless there is other reasons anyway.

And anyway, I have the guide to open wolfing that cayvie posted in the champion thread in my head, and so the high volume posting, particularly when it's off topic and thread dominating is pinging as scummy to me even though I know that's not an exclusively scum playstyle.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 24, 2020, 01:47:42 pm
And yes, I realize you can read that and it seems like I'm contradicting myself in my reply to Space and my last sentence, but I'm not. It's pinging scummy to me, but I'm not convinced it actually is.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 24, 2020, 02:02:36 pm
Vote Count 1.1

popsofctown (3): scolapasta, EFHW, SpaceAnemone
Swowl (3): LaLight, Robz888, chairs
jotheonah (1): MiX
MiX (2): WestCoastDidds, jotheonah
LaLight (1): Dylan32
chairs (1): Galzria
Galzria (1): Swowl

Not Voting (1): popsofctown

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 24, 2020, 02:33:28 pm
Hmm.. worth noting that our mod is being strict about not counting votes with a missing space after the colon, otherwise Pops would have been voting Swowl since #35. (Guess who just set up their vote counter...).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 02:38:04 pm
Dylan, right?!? Between the open wolfing and the town core stuff, I致e learned so much from the champs games.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 02:48:02 pm
This is making me want to read more games, but I know that'll just burn me out from this one...

Hmm.. worth noting that our mod is being strict about not counting votes with a missing space after the colon, otherwise Pops would have been voting Swowl since #35. (Guess who just set up their vote counter...).

Huh? Didn't Swowl recently move his vote to Galz?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 03:01:54 pm

I'm not sure who's scum, but I have a couple strong townreads and a few other won't-exile-todays.  Most of them don't have any relation to current wagons or anything right now (as far as I can tell pending a vote count), so the one I will share right now is that I don't plan on joining a Robz wagon today. His play seems more similar to his last game where he was town shot N1 than I remember back before my (our?) break(s?) when I vaguely remember it being more of "if I'm scumreading him he's town and I'm incapable of having anything better than a slightly town side of null read on him."


This is a really weaksauce response to a request for reads. Especially the part about "most of my townreads aren't worth mentioning, but for some reason I will mention the one on Robz, who has no votes on him and has taken almost no heat". I mean, if that's a townread worth mentioning, I'd love to hear about the ones that aren't. Are you talking about a townread on yourself? Because that's just about the only thing that would be less noteable.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 24, 2020, 03:47:06 pm

I'm not sure who's scum, but I have a couple strong townreads and a few other won't-exile-todays.  Most of them don't have any relation to current wagons or anything right now (as far as I can tell pending a vote count), so the one I will share right now is that I don't plan on joining a Robz wagon today. His play seems more similar to his last game where he was town shot N1 than I remember back before my (our?) break(s?) when I vaguely remember it being more of "if I'm scumreading him he's town and I'm incapable of having anything better than a slightly town side of null read on him."


This is a really weaksauce response to a request for reads. Especially the part about "most of my townreads aren't worth mentioning, but for some reason I will mention the one on Robz, who has no votes on him and has taken almost no heat". I mean, if that's a townread worth mentioning, I'd love to hear about the ones that aren't. Are you talking about a townread on yourself? Because that's just about the only thing that would be less noteable.

So I didn't go back and look to see where votes were, and I thought I remembered Robz getting some or a couple votes earlier in the game. I haven't kept up with who's votes had moved or if anyone was still on him, but there has also been at least one person mildly confronting or disagreeing with Robz on something, and he's at least someone who's alignment has been discussed, unlike a couple of my other reads. Like I said, that was 100% from memory and not reading anything before page 9 (on the 25 per page view) in more than 24 hours. So I was actually a bit surprised not seeing any votes on Robz.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 24, 2020, 03:54:00 pm
Ok, to be specific, I remembered this interaction.

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

I appreciate that you asked this. I was about to do so, and then I thought to myself, 登kay but is this actually something scum does, or just something that annoys me? Is it actually townie to do something that annoys me, given that avoiding annoying me has to be a priority for scum? One thing my brother, who is a much bette me town player than I, has taught me is too look for scum inconsistencies rather than just actions than seem unhelpful.

Immediately following this, pops attempted to vote for Robz (no space so not valid vote), and Swowl voted for him right after that.  I thought this sounded more like Dragonborn mafia town!Robz than what I used to remember, and so I disagreed with those votes/scumreads. I couldn't remember who all was involved to know if those votes were still there or not. So of course now I realize my post was less helpful than I thought it was when I said it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 24, 2020, 04:04:55 pm
Now, to make a point relating to two conversations: D1 and whether or not scumhunting and hitting scum D1 is very important or not as important for town to win and about fluffy/not helpful posting. I suspect that the most important part of the D1 exile (man that's hard to change that vocab, sorry when I inevitably miss it) is finding a high information exile, regardless of their alignment. I think it would ultimately work out better if you hit scum at equivalent to random chance D1 with high info exiles every time rather than hitting a low info scum D1 every game, whether low info means lurky or fluffy or hearthstony or whatever.  So at least D1, I don't think fluff or whatever label you want to use for not directly game related posts and conversations are a good basis for the day's exile, especially if the fluffy person doesn't have much else in the way of interactions or info that would help either connect them to scum or clear other town. However, on later days, that would be less true as letting scum hide behind that is obviously no good.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 24, 2020, 04:07:21 pm
So to that point, I don't think pops is a great exile for today, unless there are game related interactions that would be scummy aside from the "distracting" conversations, even though I do agree that my personal preference would be to cut back on those. I mean there is a dedicated hearthstone thread on f.ds, after all.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 24, 2020, 07:44:44 pm
vote: pops

I hate Hearthstone and I'm blaming you for Hearthstone talk occurring.
This is a good post
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 24, 2020, 07:53:08 pm
My feelings are kind of hurted to be honest
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 24, 2020, 07:54:15 pm
I think Robz's reasoning and vote on joth has low improvement over rand for connecting with scum, but the way the reasoning was constructed makes me feel better about Rob
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 24, 2020, 08:13:07 pm
Now, to make a point relating to two conversations: D1 and whether or not scumhunting and hitting scum D1 is very important or not as important for town to win and about fluffy/not helpful posting. I suspect that the most important part of the D1 exile (man that's hard to change that vocab, sorry when I inevitably miss it) is finding a high information exile, regardless of their alignment. I think it would ultimately work out better if you hit scum at equivalent to random chance D1 with high info exiles every time rather than hitting a low info scum D1 every game, whether low info means lurky or fluffy or hearthstony or whatever.  So at least D1, I don't think fluff or whatever label you want to use for not directly game related posts and conversations are a good basis for the day's exile, especially if the fluffy person doesn't have much else in the way of interactions or info that would help either connect them to scum or clear other town. However, on later days, that would be less true as letting scum hide behind that is obviously no good.

I disagree because you're now encouraging players of all alignments to be low information D1 since nobody wants to be the D1 exile.

I'm much more in favor of punishing -not- generating information, to force scum to generate information and not be floofy
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 08:16:15 pm
I think Robz's reasoning and vote on joth has low improvement over rand for connecting with scum, but the way the reasoning was constructed makes me feel better about Rob

You mean my vote on swowl?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 24, 2020, 08:37:38 pm
Yeah swowl.  I'm mixing people up I guess
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 09:21:44 pm
durnk ama
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 09:22:37 pm
durnk ama

Who's town? Who's scum? What am I?

How much do you know of Hearthstone?

What are your thoughts on Swowl and Galzria?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 09:47:33 pm
Who's town?

Me, Robz, pops, scola, Didds, some others

Who's scum?

you, Swowl, Galz

What am I?

probz scum

How much do you know of Hearthstone?

I played for a little bit but it just felt like Magic but worse.

What are your thoughts on Swowl and Galzria?

They're both scummy but in different ways. The fact that you asked about the two of them means you're almost certainly not all scum together, so please ignore my answer to question 2.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 09:59:17 pm
Who's scum now?

Why are you town?

Which of Swowl/Galzria do you scumread the most, any why?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 24, 2020, 10:01:09 pm
I'm not scumreading joth as much as last time so I'm gonna let him be town
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:02:36 pm
durnk ama

Hey, me too!

Time to start more quote walls.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:02:48 pm
Joth, you should come back to the swowl wagon!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:03:14 pm
I'd also like Galz to respond to my swowl case.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:10:00 pm
Who's scum now?

idk, maybe Dylan because reasons

Why are you town?

Please. Look at me.

Which of Swowl/Galzria do you scumread the most, any why?

Swowl because in retrospect my Galz case is pretty weak
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:10:25 pm
Joth, you should come back to the swowl wagon!

but MiX is so annoying!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:13:05 pm
durnk ama

Hey, me too!

Time to start more quote walls.

Aren't you glad we got to meet up for beers before the end of travel?

Who do you think is scum?

What do you think about fluffyposting?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:14:53 pm
A million dollars isn't cool.

You know what's cool?

A vote for swowl.

(I might also be drinking.)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 10:15:40 pm
Are we playing drunk mafia? Cause I can stay up all night and join you guys.

Or you guys can join me on joth! That sounds better for me and my sanity.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:17:20 pm
Are we playing drunk mafia? Cause I can stay up all night and join you guys.

Or you guys can join me on joth! That sounds better for me and my sanity.

I thought you didn't drink.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 24, 2020, 10:19:19 pm
Are we playing drunk mafia? Cause I can stay up all night and join you guys.

Or you guys can join me on joth! That sounds better for me and my sanity.

I thought you didn't drink.

Staying up all night is my equivelent.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:20:10 pm
Random reads time.

Swowl and I rarely butt heads in games. I also feel like we池e rarely town together - but that痴 mostly because he rolled scum 9 games in a row and I feel like I defy the odds on doing so. In any event, he痴 not top of my list.

Robz is probably scum. Nothing about his posts suggests this directly, and he痴 been super buddy-buddy towards me so it pains me to have this read (especially if he痴 in fact town just generally agreeing with me)... but I知 always more suspicious of people agreeing with me than those that disagree with me. Call it Reverse OMGUS.

Pops... I just like her style. Could be scum, but it痴 not the vibe I知 getting from her. There was a veiled reference made earlier that pinged me though ... need to do some research before making a conclusion on that.

Chairs is by far the scummiest player. See: Fake reaction to early voting MiX; Fake indignation over fluff posts & vote for Pops; Bad wagoning on Swowl.

EFHW is in this game?

Didds isn稚 substance-engaged and it痴 weird. But I知 not convinced it makes her scum. I have another reason for being suspicious here, but I知 waiting to see how it develops.

Oh! Dylan is very townie.

MiX is annoying. Probably town because every post he makes leaves me wanting him not to be.

Joth is Joth. Also probably town, but he痴 hard for me to read.

Space is slightly scummy, but it痴 so mild a lean that it痴 probably just a bias I have on reading them.

-

I think that leaves Scola & LaLight?

Both are pretty neutral for me. Nothing stands out from either. Scola is slightly more memorable in a townie way. LaLight I got nothing on.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:29:44 pm
the fact that pops, who brought forum mafia to f.ds in the first place approx. 1 million years ago, is in this game, along with Galz and Robz who played with me in the second ever game here, makes this whole game feel really throwbacky.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:30:15 pm
When did I buddy you???
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:30:23 pm
You being Galz.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:34:12 pm
durnk ama

Hey, me too!

Time to start more quote walls.

Aren't you glad we got to meet up for beers before the end of travel?

Who do you think is scum?

What do you think about fluffyposting?

Honestly yeah, really am! Things got crazy, fast. I知 glad we got to have a few beers first.

Reads, see my reads post (beat you to your question! Ha! 😁)

Fluff posting - I think I致e been engaged on this topic? I think it痴 just a thing some people do naturally. It痴 incredibly NAI, and is very, very, VERY rarely (read: never) an actual scum tactic. However, it痴 incredibly easy for scum to attack such posts as being 殿nti-Town to appear more 菟ro-Town themselves. And in the event that such attacks lead to mis-exile痴, there痴 little to no culpability to be had as 努ell, they shouldn稚 have been acting in an anti-Town fashion is an easy defense.

All that is to say: Attacking fluff is a platform by which scum can vote for Town for non-game related reasons (literally), without having to defend having real reads.

Fluff is fluff. It exists. It makes people have personality and read less like robots. As long as it isn稚 out of hand, it痴 not that difficult to skim over. It痴 much easier to skim fluff in a medium sized game than do a detailed D1 read in a large (18+ player) game.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:35:34 pm
When did I buddy you???

Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:44:58 pm
When did I buddy you???

Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...

I mean, I haven't like attacked you. You haven't said all that much yet. But we're really defining buddying down if me not having gunned for you from the get-go is an example of buddying!

This sort of matters, since me buddying you is indeed something town!you would think is scummy behavior from me. Falsely claiming I'm buddying you is therefore definitely a line of approach that scum!you could use.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 10:45:29 pm
MiX gets sleep deprived drunk.

I知 fancy hotel drinking. It痴 like home drinking only in a fancy hotel. A hotel in my town mind you, but not my same old house. (It痴 my anniversary weekend). And I had cheese for dinner. Cheese is the BEST!

I知 the most town I致e ever been, Galz. Like super duper awesome town.

I live for fluff. It痴 my favorite and the way I find out cool stuff about you all. That being said, I don稚 play hearthstone so I feel like the kid sitting on the lonely bench at the school dance when that痴 going down. Luckily I can sit by Joth.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 10:48:04 pm
what is the chance that this Robz-Galz thing is town v town? what's the chance that it's scum v scum. These are good questions to ask.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:49:40 pm
When did I buddy you???

Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...

I mean, I haven't like attacked you. You haven't said all that much yet. But we're really defining buddying down if me not having gunned for you from the get-go is an example of buddying!

This sort of matters, since me buddying you is indeed something town!you would think is scummy behavior from me. Falsely claiming I'm buddying you is therefore definitely a line of approach that scum!you could use.

I mean, I知 more than happy to pull the posts that stood out to me. Maybe you値l disagree with the conclusion, but I feel like the assertion is more than fair.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:52:08 pm
When did I buddy you???

Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...

I mean, I haven't like attacked you. You haven't said all that much yet. But we're really defining buddying down if me not having gunned for you from the get-go is an example of buddying!

This sort of matters, since me buddying you is indeed something town!you would think is scummy behavior from me. Falsely claiming I'm buddying you is therefore definitely a line of approach that scum!you could use.

I mean, I知 more than happy to pull the posts that stood out to me. Maybe you値l disagree with the conclusion, but I feel like the assertion is more than fair.

Show your work!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:55:53 pm
what is the chance that this Robz-Galz thing is town v town? what's the chance that it's scum v scum. These are good questions to ask.

The setup and combination of questions is better than what MiX asked regarding Me & Swowl.

Generally speaking, I hate X vs Y questions. They池e setup questions that frame two people in a 登ne must be scum light with no real, honest reasoning being it. Town players disagree and debate far more often than town vs scum do. It痴 much more townie and reasonable to ask 展hat痴 your read on X, and 展hat痴 your read on Y. Asking 展hat do you think of X vs Y is just scummy.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:57:34 pm
When did I buddy you???

Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...

I mean, I haven't like attacked you. You haven't said all that much yet. But we're really defining buddying down if me not having gunned for you from the get-go is an example of buddying!

This sort of matters, since me buddying you is indeed something town!you would think is scummy behavior from me. Falsely claiming I'm buddying you is therefore definitely a line of approach that scum!you could use.

I mean, I知 more than happy to pull the posts that stood out to me. Maybe you値l disagree with the conclusion, but I feel like the assertion is more than fair.

Show your work!

Fine! Fine! Lemme grab my Highball and go get my computer. Quote searching is much easier there than on my phone.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:57:42 pm
what is the chance that this Robz-Galz thing is town v town? what's the chance that it's scum v scum. These are good questions to ask.

There is in fact a long history of scum!me trying to string town!Galz along with pleasantness, and Galz usually figures it out right around the point where it's not too late to kill me, but in fact too late to stop my scum faction. So this could be genuine jumpiness on his part, or it could be a ploy.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 10:58:24 pm
When did I buddy you???

Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...

I mean, I haven't like attacked you. You haven't said all that much yet. But we're really defining buddying down if me not having gunned for you from the get-go is an example of buddying!

This sort of matters, since me buddying you is indeed something town!you would think is scummy behavior from me. Falsely claiming I'm buddying you is therefore definitely a line of approach that scum!you could use.

I mean, I知 more than happy to pull the posts that stood out to me. Maybe you値l disagree with the conclusion, but I feel like the assertion is more than fair.

Show your work!

Fine! Fine! Lemme grab my Highball and go get my computer. Quote searching is much easier there than on my phone.

I mean, you could also just concede you are offbase, and spare yourself the effort!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 10:59:27 pm
When did I buddy you???

Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...

I mean, I haven't like attacked you. You haven't said all that much yet. But we're really defining buddying down if me not having gunned for you from the get-go is an example of buddying!

This sort of matters, since me buddying you is indeed something town!you would think is scummy behavior from me. Falsely claiming I'm buddying you is therefore definitely a line of approach that scum!you could use.

I mean, I知 more than happy to pull the posts that stood out to me. Maybe you値l disagree with the conclusion, but I feel like the assertion is more than fair.

Show your work!

Fine! Fine! Lemme grab my Highball and go get my computer. Quote searching is much easier there than on my phone.

I mean, you could also just concede you are offbase, and spare yourself the effort!

Such concessions would mean I'm wrong - which I'm not!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 11:05:59 pm
what is the chance that this Robz-Galz thing is town v town? what's the chance that it's scum v scum. These are good questions to ask.

The setup and combination of questions is better than what MiX asked regarding Me & Swowl.

Generally speaking, I hate X vs Y questions. They池e setup questions that frame two people in a 登ne must be scum light with no real, honest reasoning being it. Town players disagree and debate far more often than town vs scum do. It痴 much more townie and reasonable to ask 展hat痴 your read on X, and 展hat痴 your read on Y. Asking 展hat do you think of X vs Y is just scummy.

I half agree. It's difficult but not impossible to tell scum vs town apart from town vs town. But it's very worthwhile to look for scum vs scum interactions (outside of multiball) since they're entirely manufactured.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 24, 2020, 11:09:06 pm
So while I much on some popcorn and watch this Galz - Robz whatever it is...

Y'all have convinced me to retract my pops vote.

Unvote

It seems logical that scum would not actually fluff post without some other plan as it is so clearly anti-town that it's too easy a target (note to future scumapasta, remember to fluff post someday!). And pops has posted some actually content since.

The above is also ironic, because I am about to fluff post. But just one and only because I feel it is inclusive and well, sharing is caring:

Today was my birthday (observed). A friend came down for a socially distanced outdoor lunch, then tennis, then socially distanced (and masked) Opening Day watching, and lastly socially distanced outdoor dinner*, with two other friends. It was so nice to see friends in 3D!

* for joth and other Boston people: Blue Ribbon, yum!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 11:10:19 pm
happy birthday! Are we neighbors? Did I know that?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 24, 2020, 11:11:22 pm
happy birthday! Are we neighbors? Did I know that?

Sober you did.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 11:12:37 pm
Well when parties are a thing again I will invite you to one!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 24, 2020, 11:13:41 pm
i'm kinda sobering up tbh
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 11:15:55 pm
Out of the gate, the bolded below feels like "Good question, thanks for asking!" - it struck me as an acknowledgement of my prodding you on your post, while also saying "good work, gold star effort for you!". It's both acknowledging and dismissive in tone at the same time.

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

I appreciate that you asked this. I was about to do so, and then I thought to myself, 登kay but is this actually something scum does, or just something that annoys me? Is it actually townie to do something that annoys me, given that avoiding annoying me has to be a priority for scum? One thing my brother, who is a much bette me town player than I, has taught me is too look for scum inconsistencies rather than just actions than seem unhelpful.

In the next quote, you kind of jump to my defense when Joth gets a weird vibe from me. The point of contention here again is my prodding of you, where your defense of me is "I don't agree, I think the question was fine". Again, it almost feels like you're trying to make sure I *really* appreciate that gold star you're giving me for asking a good question.

Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

Your very next post was to jump in and take my side of an argument and to vote against Swowl. This is probably the post that most directly comes across as buddying - the other two are more gut feels.

not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.

I thought Galz was getting the better of swowl in their exchange, which culminated in swowl OMGUS voting for Galz, and then declaring a 24 hour partial VLA, which I read as I'm-taking-heat-gotta-get-out-of-here, and THAT is legitimately more likely to be scum behavior.
Vote: Swowl

--------------------

It's early days still. You don't have a ton of posts all told. Nobody really does (MiX, Pops maybe?). That's made it all the more striking to me though that I've gotten these vibes off so little.


Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 11:17:00 pm
what is the chance that this Robz-Galz thing is town v town? what's the chance that it's scum v scum. These are good questions to ask.

The setup and combination of questions is better than what MiX asked regarding Me & Swowl.

Generally speaking, I hate X vs Y questions. They池e setup questions that frame two people in a 登ne must be scum light with no real, honest reasoning being it. Town players disagree and debate far more often than town vs scum do. It痴 much more townie and reasonable to ask 展hat痴 your read on X, and 展hat痴 your read on Y. Asking 展hat do you think of X vs Y is just scummy.

I half agree. It's difficult but not impossible to tell scum vs town apart from town vs town. But it's very worthwhile to look for scum vs scum interactions (outside of multiball) since they're entirely manufactured.

Oh, certainly. Which is why I said that I like the way you put the combinations of questions better than I liked the way MiX phrased his question.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 11:20:49 pm
So while I much on some popcorn and watch this Galz - Robz whatever it is...

Y'all have convinced me to retract my pops vote.

Unvote

It seems logical that scum would not actually fluff post without some other plan as it is so clearly anti-town that it's too easy a target (note to future scumapasta, remember to fluff post someday!). And pops has posted some actually content since.

The above is also ironic, because I am about to fluff post. But just one and only because I feel it is inclusive and well, sharing is caring:

Today was my birthday (observed). A friend came down for a socially distanced outdoor lunch, then tennis, then socially distanced (and masked) Opening Day watching, and lastly socially distanced outdoor dinner*, with two other friends. It was so nice to see friends in 3D!

* for joth and other Boston people: Blue Ribbon, yum!

- Happy Birthday!!!

- I haven't played Tennis in so long. So much fun.

= Opening Days!!! I watched the Giants hold up much better through 6 against the Dodgers than I thought they would last night. Then things went as I expected.

- Happy Birthday again!!!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 11:22:50 pm
Out of the gate, the bolded below feels like "Good question, thanks for asking!" - it struck me as an acknowledgement of my prodding you on your post, while also saying "good work, gold star effort for you!". It's both acknowledging and dismissive in tone at the same time.

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

I appreciate that you asked this. I was about to do so, and then I thought to myself, 登kay but is this actually something scum does, or just something that annoys me? Is it actually townie to do something that annoys me, given that avoiding annoying me has to be a priority for scum? One thing my brother, who is a much bette me town player than I, has taught me is too look for scum inconsistencies rather than just actions than seem unhelpful.

In the next quote, you kind of jump to my defense when Joth gets a weird vibe from me. The point of contention here again is my prodding of you, where your defense of me is "I don't agree, I think the question was fine". Again, it almost feels like you're trying to make sure I *really* appreciate that gold star you're giving me for asking a good question.

Why should we join you?

I'm so glad you asked!

Because I am getting scum vibes off Galzria. Specifically, this post:

Well uh I think that's actually like x-1 what the hell

Unvote

Oh spare me the faux panicky unvoting when there's little real danger we'd exile MiX.

But also, this.

vote: Chairs

Robz - why did you make this post but not vote for Chairs?

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.

I don't agree, I think the question was fine.

I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.

And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?

Your very next post was to jump in and take my side of an argument and to vote against Swowl. This is probably the post that most directly comes across as buddying - the other two are more gut feels.

not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.

I thought Galz was getting the better of swowl in their exchange, which culminated in swowl OMGUS voting for Galz, and then declaring a 24 hour partial VLA, which I read as I'm-taking-heat-gotta-get-out-of-here, and THAT is legitimately more likely to be scum behavior.
Vote: Swowl

--------------------

It's early days still. You don't have a ton of posts all told. Nobody really does (MiX, Pops maybe?). That's made it all the more striking to me though that I've gotten these vibes off so little.

I don't see how any of this is buddying.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 11:25:13 pm
Swowl did something legitimately scummy, or at least something I can identify as perhaps scummy, maybe? which is the best I can do for Day 1 at least. It's not buddying you to call this out, just because you happen to be the onus for swowl outing himself (if he is scum).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 11:27:15 pm
So while I much on some popcorn and watch this Galz - Robz whatever it is...

Also, while you should very much enjoy your internet popcorn (or real popcorn is good too!), I want to make sure it's not unknown that the exchanges between Robz and I are very light hearted. Yes, I stand by my statements, and yes, he stands by his defenses and requests for me to show my work - but the back and forth's are very tongue in cheek. Not sure if it comes off that way to others or not.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 24, 2020, 11:28:54 pm
So while I much on some popcorn and watch this Galz - Robz whatever it is...

Also, while you should very much enjoy your internet popcorn (or real popcorn is good too!), I want to make sure it's not unknown that the exchanges between Robz and I are very light hearted. Yes, I stand by my statements, and yes, he stands by his defenses and requests for me to show my work - but the back and forth's are very tongue in cheek. Not sure if it comes off that way to others or not.

That actually strikes me as an odd post from scola, in that it over explains an unvote that doesn't require explanation. Here I go, buddying you again...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 24, 2020, 11:32:18 pm
Swowl did something legitimately scummy, or at least something I can identify as perhaps scummy, maybe? which is the best I can do for Day 1 at least. It's not buddying you to call this out, just because you happen to be the onus for swowl outing himself (if he is scum).

I'm not saying you don't have a right to make reads - and sure, those reads could be based off interactions that I'm having, that result in you scum reading the person with whom I'm interacting. But they way you've presented it definitely came across as low-key buddying.

Either way, I'm not voting you at this time (and don't plan to anytime soon). It's a low-key gut D1 read. It pinged me, and there's definitely more than one post there to support that suspicion - but I don't think it's anywhere near as scummy as the things that Chairs have done.

Speaking of which, you all should join me on Chairs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 24, 2020, 11:41:33 pm
Happy birthday, Scola!!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 25, 2020, 12:16:52 am
Happy birthday, Scola!!

Indeed! Congrats on another completed circuit around the nearest star! May you complete many more.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 25, 2020, 12:32:35 am
Now, to make a point relating to two conversations: D1 and whether or not scumhunting and hitting scum D1 is very important or not as important for town to win and about fluffy/not helpful posting. I suspect that the most important part of the D1 exile (man that's hard to change that vocab, sorry when I inevitably miss it) is finding a high information exile, regardless of their alignment. I think it would ultimately work out better if you hit scum at equivalent to random chance D1 with high info exiles every time rather than hitting a low info scum D1 every game, whether low info means lurky or fluffy or hearthstony or whatever.  So at least D1, I don't think fluff or whatever label you want to use for not directly game related posts and conversations are a good basis for the day's exile, especially if the fluffy person doesn't have much else in the way of interactions or info that would help either connect them to scum or clear other town. However, on later days, that would be less true as letting scum hide behind that is obviously no good.

I disagree because you're now encouraging players of all alignments to be low information D1 since nobody wants to be the D1 exile.

I'm much more in favor of punishing -not- generating information, to force scum to generate information and not be floofy

Information doesn't solely come from what a person posts, it's also how other people react to them.

But yeah, at this point we are almost at a question of meta (site-wide more than individual). So a nearly universal truth: town wants to close the information gap that gives scum their advantage at the beginning of the game.

With your plan, if we routinely lynch low-info (aka fluffy) players D1, scum would make a habit of being more active/less fluffy. However, town won't be able to capitalize on that info D2 normally because scum wouldn't be the D1 exile very often. The active playstyle would then benefit scum more later in the game as well because it gives scum a chance to control the conversation and flow of info, thus further hurting town's chances.

If we exile high info players D1 and scum does as you say by being fluffy intentionally, they may not be the D1 exile, but they're play is not going to have them in a good position later as town is in a more controlling position of conversations and info flow. If scum then starts trying to be more active later, that inconsistency could be a good scum tell, thus helping town.

So yeah, I mean blanket statements can always be used/abused by good scum players, but I still think as a general principle, if two equally null reads are at X-1 at the deadline and I have to choose, I would choose high info wagon every time.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 25, 2020, 12:34:12 am
I know how to use their, they're, and there, I just changed the direction a sentence was going and now I'm annoyed at myself lol.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 25, 2020, 12:43:27 am
My favorite targets are ones who have been slightly scummy, and are also unlikely to post a lot on subsequent games and change my mind.   I don't know if this game has such a player
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 25, 2020, 02:54:53 am
I'd also like Galz to respond to my swowl case.

I would like robz to answer my previous question regarding what your case is?

How about I値l make it super simple - explain to me exactly what it is that you think i was making an excuse to leave the table from? Like not the general 3 post back and forth between Galz and I. But what exact part of it do you think i would have enough of an issue with dealing with that i do what you say instead of not?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 07:16:30 am
what is the chance that this Robz-Galz thing is town v town? what's the chance that it's scum v scum. These are good questions to ask.

The setup and combination of questions is better than what MiX asked regarding Me & Swowl.

Generally speaking, I hate X vs Y questions. They池e setup questions that frame two people in a 登ne must be scum light with no real, honest reasoning being it. Town players disagree and debate far more often than town vs scum do. It痴 much more townie and reasonable to ask 展hat痴 your read on X, and 展hat痴 your read on Y. Asking 展hat do you think of X vs Y is just scummy.

Oh come on joth was scumreading both of them already get out of your high horse.

Swowl did something legitimately scummy, or at least something I can identify as perhaps scummy, maybe? which is the best I can do for Day 1 at least. It's not buddying you to call this out, just because you happen to be the onus for swowl outing himself (if he is scum).

I'm not saying you don't have a right to make reads - and sure, those reads could be based off interactions that I'm having, that result in you scum reading the person with whom I'm interacting. But they way you've presented it definitely came across as low-key buddying.

Either way, I'm not voting you at this time (and don't plan to anytime soon). It's a low-key gut D1 read. It pinged me, and there's definitely more than one post there to support that suspicion - but I don't think it's anywhere near as scummy as the things that Chairs have done.

Speaking of which, you all should join me on Chairs.

Hey why is chairs scum and why should everyone vote for them?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 09:27:17 am
Wow, I missed a lot. I'll catch up now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 09:56:33 am
There is a scummy side to fluff posting. It's easy to do and making up posts with substance is hard as scum. It also breaks up discussions, making town efforts less effective. Last, it demonstrates a disengagement from town goals, which is very much a scum trait.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 09:59:07 am
I think MiX is town here. I don't see how joth is scummy, though.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 10:00:46 am
Other than my vote on pops, I'm going to keep scum glimmers to myself for now. See how they develop.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 10:01:28 am
Dylan does feel like town!Dylan.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 10:16:03 am
I think EFHW did the classical scum backread that she likes to do, but I also think she's town...

Dylan does feel like town!Dylan.

Does he? He seemed different to me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 10:19:36 am
I think EFHW did the classical scum backread that she likes to do, but I also think she's town...

Dylan does feel like town!Dylan.

Does he? He seemed different to me.
I think he is more concise as scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 10:20:29 am
Why do you think joth is scum?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 10:27:47 am
Why do you think joth is scum?

I'm getting the same vibes from him. He feels calculated, and answering everything right. He's also mindgaming me by not making a wall, which I now know is scummy.

It's very feels, but for me it's as good as a flip.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 25, 2020, 10:47:12 am
Woot!

I'm not exactly VLA but I'm visiting my daughter this weekend so she'll have my phone for Paw Patrol most of the time.

Vote: joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 25, 2020, 11:15:19 am
I'd also like Galz to respond to my swowl case.

I would like robz to answer my previous question regarding what your case is?

How about I値l make it super simple - explain to me exactly what it is that you think i was making an excuse to leave the table from? Like not the general 3 post back and forth between Galz and I. But what exact part of it do you think i would have enough of an issue with dealing with that i do what you say instead of not?

I think it痴 perfectly obvious. There痴 not a lot to it, because it痴 not like the most major slam dunk case ever.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2020, 11:16:22 am
Paw Patrol! Skye is my favorite. Enjoy the daddy time, chairs.

Mix is posting quite a bit (normal) but not doing much (not normal) so I知 cool hanging out there for now. Swowl, pops, and chairs are also on my increased scrutiny list.

Still anniversary weekend so around but likely day drinking!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 11:18:21 am
I caught scum already. Why do I need to do more?

The scumteam's joth/pops/chairs by the way. Just exile all of them and win!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2020, 11:34:27 am
Hmmm....two of those three are on my list, too
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 25, 2020, 11:49:52 am
Thanks for the birthday wishes - to be clear, yesterday was the "observed" version, like when you get July 5th off, if the 4th falls on a Sunday.

For some actual content, trying to figure out a vote... I do see merit in Mix's and Didds' lists. I'm also wondering if one of Galz or Robb could be though these kinds of back and forth often tend to end up town v town. Doesn't make them any less fun to watch).

I also consider anyone who didn't send me birthday wishes scummy.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 11:59:11 am
Yaaay, I'm scummy for not saying happy birthday!

A new achievement!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 25, 2020, 12:51:06 pm
Birthdays are a social construct designed to artificially inflate capitalistic tendencies among the masses.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 12:57:01 pm
Birthdays are a social construct designed to artificially inflate capitalistic tendencies among the masses.

And this is why you're scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 25, 2020, 01:13:37 pm
Thanks for the birthday wishes - to be clear, yesterday was the "observed" version, like when you get July 5th off, if the 4th falls on a Sunday.

For some actual content, trying to figure out a vote... I do see merit in Mix's and Didds' lists. I'm also wondering if one of Galz or Robb could be though these kinds of back and forth often tend to end up town v town. Doesn't make them any less fun to watch).

I also consider anyone who didn't send me birthday wishes scummy.

Nah, doing what "everyone" else is doing is a scummy. If I could have been the first ...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 25, 2020, 02:03:10 pm
Vote: Didds

Her claim is not truthful. I'll wait to see how she backpedals, before saying anything more.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 02:05:49 pm
Vote: Didds

Her claim is not truthful. I'll wait to see how she backpedals, before saying anything more.

Double the wrong game, double the fun!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 02:08:10 pm
Oh yeah, if you had to vote someone, who would it be? You made that big Unvote post, right?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 25, 2020, 02:09:48 pm
Vote: Mix
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 02:11:23 pm
Vote: Mix

Why?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 25, 2020, 02:21:31 pm
Vote: Didds

Her claim is not truthful. I'll wait to see how she backpedals, before saying anything more.

Double the wrong game, double the fun!

Whoops. This is the 2nd time I've done this... I'm sure it won't be the last.

Unvote



Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 25, 2020, 02:26:34 pm
I think you genuinely had a gut feeling you wanted to state a townread on Didds and noticed a feature of her towngame, but I think you are more likely to follow that process where the new info doesn't change your overall read if you are scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 02:28:31 pm
I think you genuinely had a gut feeling you wanted to state a townread on Didds and noticed a feature of her towngame, but I think you are more likely to follow that process where the new info doesn't change your overall read if you are scum.

What are you referring to?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 25, 2020, 02:35:01 pm
Probably actually efoo
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2020, 03:35:37 pm
Vote: Didds

Her claim is not truthful. I'll wait to see how she backpedals, before saying anything more.

Double the wrong game, double the fun!


Whoops. This is the 2nd time I've done this... I'm sure it won't be the last.

Unvote

I was like WTF?!? I haven稚 claimed anything!  Hahahahah
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 25, 2020, 03:43:09 pm
Vote: Didds

Her claim is not truthful. I'll wait to see how she backpedals, before saying anything more.

Double the wrong game, double the fun!


Whoops. This is the 2nd time I've done this... I'm sure it won't be the last.

Unvote

I was like WTF?!? I haven稚 claimed anything!  Hahahahah

Hmmm....two of those three are on my list, too

CLEARLY YOU ARE LYING ABOUT YOUR VAGUE READS
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 25, 2020, 03:44:14 pm
Dylan is my IC.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2020, 03:52:17 pm
Dylan is my IC.

SAME!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 25, 2020, 04:02:01 pm
This isn't right. Can someone tell me they are scum reading me to restore balance to the world? I don't know what to do when I'm not defending myself from incorrect cases.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 25, 2020, 04:42:42 pm
I'm scumreading you Dylan but don't press me on how much that is just to make you feel better or is real
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 25, 2020, 06:03:22 pm
Dylan is my IC.

SAME!

I townread him before it was cool.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2020, 06:06:36 pm
You池e the trendsetter we didn稚 know we needed, Galzy
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 25, 2020, 06:12:56 pm
You池e the trendsetter we didn稚 know we needed, Galzy

In the trendsetter nobody ever needs. It痴 a tough job. but somebody has to do it.

Also, dama with Raptor right now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 25, 2020, 06:28:50 pm
❤️
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 25, 2020, 07:33:25 pm
Galz are you on my team I don't want to check my PM
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 25, 2020, 08:12:50 pm
Galz are you on my team I don't want to check my PM

I don稚 believe I am, no. I値l let you check your PM when you池e not busy and get back to me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 25, 2020, 08:55:22 pm
My skummy vla ran into an issue and is being extended. Not like a real issue... but i haven稚 been able to get into anything really and i won稚 for another day now. Sorry.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 25, 2020, 09:30:28 pm
Galz are you on my team I don't want to check my PM

I don稚 believe I am, no. I値l let you check your PM when you池e not busy and get back to me.

I checked, it didn't tell me anybody else on my team :(
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 26, 2020, 02:21:14 pm
Wow, things went quiet. I know it's the weekend and all, and there's other exciting things happening elsewhere, but yikes.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 26, 2020, 02:24:12 pm
Last vote count was about 48 hours ago. Think we can get another one?

Request Vote Count
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 26, 2020, 02:28:47 pm
It's the chairs freeze effect, where chairs says a bunch of nonsense and no one can say anything anymore.

Kinda makes me wanna exile him tbh, but he's the least-likely-to-be-scum scumread I have.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 26, 2020, 02:44:06 pm
It's the chairs freeze effect, where chairs says a bunch of nonsense and no one can say anything anymore.

Kinda makes me wanna exile him tbh, but he's the least-likely-to-be-scum scumread I have.
What's your most likely to be scum scumread? I'd check the vc but heheheh
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 26, 2020, 02:45:11 pm
It's the chairs freeze effect, where chairs says a bunch of nonsense and no one can say anything anymore.

Kinda makes me wanna exile him tbh, but he's the least-likely-to-be-scum scumread I have.
What's your most likely to be scum scumread? I'd check the vc but heheheh

Joth.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 26, 2020, 03:10:53 pm
It's the chairs freeze effect, where chairs says a bunch of nonsense and no one can say anything anymore.

Kinda makes me wanna exile him tbh, but he's the least-likely-to-be-scum scumread I have.
What's your most likely to be scum scumread? I'd check the vc but heheheh

Joth.

This is getting pretty tiresome, MiX. Repeating "joth is scum" over and over and over again does not make it so, nor will it convince others. Come up with a case or come up with a better vote.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 26, 2020, 03:11:34 pm
This isn't right. Can someone tell me they are scum reading me to restore balance to the world? I don't know what to do when I'm not defending myself from incorrect cases.

I'm on record as lightly scumreading you :P
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 26, 2020, 03:11:54 pm
It's the chairs freeze effect, where chairs says a bunch of nonsense and no one can say anything anymore.

Kinda makes me wanna exile him tbh, but he's the least-likely-to-be-scum scumread I have.
What's your most likely to be scum scumread? I'd check the vc but heheheh

Joth.

This is getting pretty tiresome, MiX. Repeating "joth is scum" over and over and over again does not make it so, nor will it convince others. Come up with a case or come up with a better vote.

Why do you think joth is scum?

I'm getting the same vibes from him. He feels calculated, and answering everything right. He's also mindgaming me by not making a wall, which I now know is scummy.

It's very feels, but for me it's as good as a flip.

Also, pops asked me a question, what did you want me to do?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: popsofctown on July 26, 2020, 04:52:06 pm
I think joth feels good this game mostly
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 26, 2020, 06:17:35 pm
Sorry I went quiet! The weekend has involved two days of socially-distanced tennis/badminton/picnicking, and then being too tired even to watch Netflix. Good times, in spite of getting both mildly sunburned and also thoroughly drenched by torrential rain.

Belated happy birthday Scola!

I don't have any burningly clear reads/cases yet, but I'll try iso everyone tomorrow. (It's late for me here now, and I have work to be awake for in the morning).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 26, 2020, 06:57:40 pm
sorry for my inactivity, I got a lot of activity IRL for the last days. Also you can congratulate me, I finished my antidepressants course yesterday and now I am clear! (and can drink again)

I don't remember anything about this game other than that I though joth and Swowl were scum, I'll try to do it tomorrow
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 26, 2020, 06:58:01 pm
sorry for my inactivity, I got a lot of activity IRL for the last days. Also you can congratulate me, I finished my antidepressants course yesterday and now I am clean! (and can drink again)

I don't remember anything about this game other than that I though joth and Swowl were scum, I'll try to do it tomorrow

EBWOP
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on July 26, 2020, 10:57:55 pm
Last vote count was about 48 hours ago. Think we can get another one?

Request Vote Count

Sorry, spent the weekend playing Pokemon GO fest, will get a vote count up tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 27, 2020, 12:50:15 am
I was semi vla the last 48.
Not a ton of content, but I am tired and not getting to it til tomorrow.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 27, 2020, 02:04:31 am
Good news, I'm back home! Bad news, I sunburnt my arm because my car's AC is out so I had to have the windows open to drive across the three hours across the state with any chance of not passing out in the 90+ degree weather :(

Need to go back and read but I think we've gone on long enough that I can make some proper opinions of the day :)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 27, 2020, 11:45:23 am
Good morning, friends. I am shaking off the mental cobwebs after a weekend of delightful nothingness. 

It doesn't seem like I've missed much in terms of progress, but I will have a chance to read more carefully later.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2020, 11:57:55 am
Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 11:59:15 am
Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. The game's over.

Why do I need to jump?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 27, 2020, 12:01:13 pm
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 12:04:10 pm
Vote: Mix

I think you genuinely had a gut feeling you wanted to state a townread on Didds and noticed a feature of her towngame, but I think you are more likely to follow that process where the new info doesn't change your overall read if you are scum.

Probably actually efoo

Should you still be voting for me?

Vote: MiX

You were already voting for me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 27, 2020, 12:07:23 pm
Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. The game's over.

Why do I need to jump?

Why are you so sure of those three? I'm still wary of pops and the whole fluff posting, but she has added some actual content more recently.

I think I agree on:

Vote: chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 12:09:30 pm
Joth is not acting town. It's hard to explain...but I think it's impossible for joth to do what he's doing here if he's town.

Pops' posting is completely different from what town!pops would be doing, which is to use his skills to solve the game. Instead he's not doing that.

Chairs is doing really crazy shenanigans which at this point I think is scummy, but he could be town. I feel like he would be saying more meaningful things as town, and the same amount of fluffyness.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 12:10:33 pm
Her skills. She's not doing that.

It's hard to call "pops" female, okay?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 27, 2020, 12:43:54 pm
Vote Count 1.2

Isis (2): EFHW, SpaceAnemone
Swowl (2): LaLight, Robz888
jotheonah (2): MiX, chairs
MiX (3): WestCoastDidds, jotheonah, Isis
LaLight (1): Dylan32
chairs (2): Galzria, scolapasta
Galzria (1): Swowl

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020. That is in ~48 hours.

NOTE: Isis is popsofctown's new name.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 27, 2020, 12:58:32 pm
Vote: chairs
I kind of feel like chairs and MiX are both flavored water level scummy, but MiX impresses me with his analysis and kind of is a player I'd want to leave alive.  An active gamestate can be valuable, and sometimes it doesn't even matter if the most active players are town aligned.

A chairs flip is kind of a win/win because MiX seems to be tumbling into some muleish confidence and a bad flip will get him re-assessing.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 27, 2020, 12:59:20 pm
Look at that incredible space bar smash I did after the colon, do you all know where to find the tip jar?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 27, 2020, 01:15:05 pm
Some of my MiX voting is OMGUS for sure. Which is weird because those of you who know me know that I'm not really prone to OMGUS. But it really bugs me when MiX gets this cocksure about something that I know for a fact is wrong.

At the same time, I think there is something scummy about MiX's confidence. In most games with MiX, he is 100% sure he's found the scum team until he's not, and then he moves on to something else and acts as though his old case never existed. Here, he's not budging. He's just drawn three names out of a hat and parked there. I expect town!MiX to exhibit a bit of humility and willingness to reassess, and I'm not seeing that here.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 27, 2020, 01:53:28 pm
Vote: chairs
I kind of feel like chairs and MiX are both flavored water level scummy, but MiX impresses me with his analysis and kind of is a player I'd want to leave alive.  An active gamestate can be valuable, and sometimes it doesn't even matter if the most active players are town aligned.

A chairs flip is kind of a win/win because MiX seems to be tumbling into some muleish confidence and a bad flip will get him re-assessing.

As y'all know I still have my eye on Isis - i.e. reading her posts as if it were scum!isis. This one fits that bill - if she sees that partner chairs is going to exiled, it gets her some town cred, and if he's not, it's already laying a framework to suspect MiX.

it is something town!isis would do as well, though, but wouldn't there then be a vote for chairs here? I could go back to voting here.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 27, 2020, 02:08:15 pm
I'm actually not a big  fan of "I don't want to exile X because they're a good player and I want to keep them alive."

For one thing, it's kind of mean since it implies that the rest of us are not good players so we might as well die. For another thing, as an argument for (not) exiling that doesn't allude to alignment, it's just a safe thing for scum to hide behind when trying to stay off their partners. And for a third thing, good players who are scum are just as dangerous as good players who are town are helpful.

So yeah. If you think someone is good at the game that's swell and feel free to pay them a compliment, but vote for the person you think is scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 27, 2020, 02:19:20 pm
I'm actually not a big  fan of "I don't want to exile X because they're a good player and I want to keep them alive."

For one thing, it's kind of mean since it implies that the rest of us are not good players so we might as well die. For another thing, as an argument for (not) exiling that doesn't allude to alignment, it's just a safe thing for scum to hide behind when trying to stay off their partners. And for a third thing, good players who are scum are just as dangerous as good players who are town are helpful.

So yeah. If you think someone is good at the game that's swell and feel free to pay them a compliment, but vote for the person you think is scum.
The likelihood someone is scum is the largest factors, but there are other factors to consider, there's a tiebreaker here.  I'm not using this as a means to totally avoid discussing alignment reasoning, I've already explained why I thought MiX was scummy previously.

I like, am sorry if it hurts your feelings to hear opinions about the relative strengths of players.  Mafia would be less fun to me if I had to pretend I didn't notice it or had to lie about factoring it into my decisions.  It's commonplace in other games like basketball with pass play strategy.  I avoid commenting on people's apparent abilities when it's irrelevant to my chances of winning, but when I can't represent my actions transparently without mentioning I do because I think being a glass puzzle box is the best way to win as town.  I don't mind being booted from the game if I contradict site culture here too much.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 27, 2020, 02:20:49 pm
I used the word "like" when I was uncertain how to phrase

it can be read sarcastic but wasn't meant that way
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 27, 2020, 02:38:39 pm
Some of my MiX voting is OMGUS for sure. Which is weird because those of you who know me know that I'm not really prone to OMGUS. But it really bugs me when MiX gets this cocksure about something that I know for a fact is wrong.

At the same time, I think there is something scummy about MiX's confidence. In most games with MiX, he is 100% sure he's found the scum team until he's not, and then he moves on to something else and acts as though his old case never existed. Here, he's not budging. He's just drawn three names out of a hat and parked there. I expect town!MiX to exhibit a bit of humility and willingness to reassess, and I'm not seeing that here.

In M128, scum!MiX didn稚 really do the whole I知 100% sure on anything other than Didds being town (at least through D3), so I知 not sure this is completely accurate.  There hasn稚 been a ton of new content or arguments that would change reads a great deal from the initial reads, so he hasn稚 had much of a reason to change his mind yet.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 27, 2020, 02:43:59 pm
Some of my MiX voting is OMGUS for sure. Which is weird because those of you who know me know that I'm not really prone to OMGUS. But it really bugs me when MiX gets this cocksure about something that I know for a fact is wrong.

At the same time, I think there is something scummy about MiX's confidence. In most games with MiX, he is 100% sure he's found the scum team until he's not, and then he moves on to something else and acts as though his old case never existed. Here, he's not budging. He's just drawn three names out of a hat and parked there. I expect town!MiX to exhibit a bit of humility and willingness to reassess, and I'm not seeing that here.

In M128, scum!MiX didn稚 really do the whole I知 100% sure on anything other than Didds being town (at least through D3), so I知 not sure this is completely accurate.  There hasn稚 been a ton of new content or arguments that would change reads a great deal from the initial reads, so he hasn稚 had much of a reason to change his mind yet.

M128 was multiball, though, so that's already different enough.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 02:56:06 pm
Some of my MiX voting is OMGUS for sure. Which is weird because those of you who know me know that I'm not really prone to OMGUS. But it really bugs me when MiX gets this cocksure about something that I know for a fact is wrong.

At the same time, I think there is something scummy about MiX's confidence. In most games with MiX, he is 100% sure he's found the scum team until he's not, and then he moves on to something else and acts as though his old case never existed. Here, he's not budging. He's just drawn three names out of a hat and parked there. I expect town!MiX to exhibit a bit of humility and willingness to reassess, and I'm not seeing that here.

In M128, scum!MiX didn稚 really do the whole I知 100% sure on anything other than Didds being town (at least through D3), so I知 not sure this is completely accurate.  There hasn稚 been a ton of new content or arguments that would change reads a great deal from the initial reads, so he hasn稚 had much of a reason to change his mind yet.

What there has been reinforces my theory. Joth acts scummier, isis is (wow, that's just...perfect) still scum, and chairs...well. Lol.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 27, 2020, 03:10:29 pm
Some of my MiX voting is OMGUS for sure. Which is weird because those of you who know me know that I'm not really prone to OMGUS. But it really bugs me when MiX gets this cocksure about something that I know for a fact is wrong.

At the same time, I think there is something scummy about MiX's confidence. In most games with MiX, he is 100% sure he's found the scum team until he's not, and then he moves on to something else and acts as though his old case never existed. Here, he's not budging. He's just drawn three names out of a hat and parked there. I expect town!MiX to exhibit a bit of humility and willingness to reassess, and I'm not seeing that here.

Ok fair. Town!mix in the last game Ash played, if I remember correctly, was pretty locked in on scum!Ash for at least a couple days straight. I could be wrong on that.  MiX did flip back and forth on a couple other people too, but I don稚 remember him flipping on Ash once he settled there, even though he had opportunity to do so.

Although I guess some of that was Ash going after MiX, so might have been more out of self-pres that anything, idk.

In M128, scum!MiX didn稚 really do the whole I知 100% sure on anything other than Didds being town (at least through D3), so I知 not sure this is completely accurate.  There hasn稚 been a ton of new content or arguments that would change reads a great deal from the initial reads, so he hasn稚 had much of a reason to change his mind yet.

M128 was multiball, though, so that's already different enough.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 27, 2020, 03:11:59 pm
Some of my MiX voting is OMGUS for sure. Which is weird because those of you who know me know that I'm not really prone to OMGUS. But it really bugs me when MiX gets this cocksure about something that I know for a fact is wrong.

At the same time, I think there is something scummy about MiX's confidence. In most games with MiX, he is 100% sure he's found the scum team until he's not, and then he moves on to something else and acts as though his old case never existed. Here, he's not budging. He's just drawn three names out of a hat and parked there. I expect town!MiX to exhibit a bit of humility and willingness to reassess, and I'm not seeing that here.

In M128, scum!MiX didn稚 really do the whole I知 100% sure on anything other than Didds being town (at least through D3), so I知 not sure this is completely accurate.  There hasn稚 been a ton of new content or arguments that would change reads a great deal from the initial reads, so he hasn稚 had much of a reason to change his mind yet.

M128 was multiball, though, so that's already different enough.

Oh man big time quote fail.

Fixed:

Ok fair. Town!mix in the last game Ash played, if I remember correctly, was pretty locked in on scum!Ash for at least a couple days straight. I could be wrong on that.  MiX did flip back and forth on a couple other people too, but I don稚 remember him flipping on Ash once he settled there, even though he had opportunity to do so.

Although I guess some of that was Ash going after MiX, so might have been more out of self-pres that anything, idk.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 03:17:03 pm
Well in that game when I locked onto scum, I never let them go IIRC. The ash thing was...well, he had to be scum after that, for reasons that are incredibly hard to explain.

But not all games are the same.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 27, 2020, 04:22:18 pm
Why the name change, isis?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2020, 04:27:01 pm
Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. The game's over.

Why do I need to jump?

It has seemed to me that that is how you scumhunt. Thinking you found the scum team Day 1 is kind of farfetched, don't you think?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 27, 2020, 04:31:52 pm
Join us on Isis.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 27, 2020, 04:58:29 pm
My disdain for the wordsoupy look of "popsofctown" has been overpowering the consistency benefits of using it, and I've been moving away from it over time and started using non-ugly usernames for accounts.  I've been using "Isis" as my main account on MS for the past 4 months.  It doesn't take very much criticism to want to switch to the name I like better anyways.

My favorite video game Puzzles and Dragons has a character modeled after the Egyptian goddess who is both weak and endearing, so the name has a "Scout" feel to it that I like.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 27, 2020, 05:04:38 pm
Some of my MiX voting is OMGUS for sure. Which is weird because those of you who know me know that I'm not really prone to OMGUS. But it really bugs me when MiX gets this cocksure about something that I know for a fact is wrong.

At the same time, I think there is something scummy about MiX's confidence. In most games with MiX, he is 100% sure he's found the scum team until he's not, and then he moves on to something else and acts as though his old case never existed. Here, he's not budging. He's just drawn three names out of a hat and parked there. I expect town!MiX to exhibit a bit of humility and willingness to reassess, and I'm not seeing that here.
This feels off to me.  Like, MiX is probably going to get one of the exiles he wants voted up and might shift melodies at that point.  This seems a little overly willing to inject observer bias into sorting to the slot, especially since joth sounds confident he'd know what to look for?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 27, 2020, 05:08:16 pm
354 is probably a townpost
does that require explaining
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 27, 2020, 07:44:59 pm

Pops' posting is completely different from what town!pops would be doing, which is to use his skills to solve the game. Instead he's not doing that.


have you played with town!pops/isis?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 27, 2020, 07:45:17 pm
also I just realized I am still omgus voting galz.

Unvote
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 07:45:52 pm

Pops' posting is completely different from what town!pops would be doing, which is to use his skills to solve the game. Instead he's not doing that.


have you played with town!pops/isis?

No.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 27, 2020, 07:47:26 pm

Pops' posting is completely different from what town!pops would be doing, which is to use his skills to solve the game. Instead he's not doing that.


have you played with town!pops/isis?

No.

so just reverse engineering then, or what is the basis of your statement?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 07:49:55 pm
I'm going from what I know of Isis, from generally talking about mafia. They do that a lot.

This is not how town!isis would play this game. It's close, but it's not...it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 27, 2020, 07:51:07 pm
I was going to post a giant wall of re-read notes, but maybe just a summary is going to be less unwelcome, because it really was going to be a big wall, and I've only gotten as far as scolapasta in the sign-up order.

Anyway, summaries are:

1. Swowl -- townie. Worth remembering that later because he was even one of the players propagating the hearthstone content, so I guess I don't scumread that too badly.
2. Dylan32 -- solid meh. I know that MiX and some people I haven't yet re-read put him in the town camp, but I didn't get that vibe from him. I feel like a bunch of his posts seem to agree specifically with one side of an argument, and then another subsequent post goes back to agree a bit with the other side.
3. EFHW -- I think we ended up talking at cross-purposes bit in the thing where she disagreed with me at #156. I don't see how she gets to "I don't see how Joth is scummy" when an actual d1-case got made earlier, but I guess it's shorthand for just not buying into the case? She asks about the joth case at #351 so maybe she just missed it. Townier side of meh.
4. MiX -- 71 game posts, so this one was a slog. The game started at #28, and he already had a serious vote down in #45, which is early. I have to say, I strongly disagree with his criticism about quoting, because there are several occasions where even reading up and down a few posts, it's really hard to piece together what he's on about. See for example post #192, where I think it's just referring to the post above, but it's trying to be clever and twist the meaning by taking something Joth said about himself and pretending it was applied to himself, so there's quite a bit degree of uncertainty/deniability around what he really means to say, which I guess I don't like, in the sense of disliking things that are unclear, rather than in the sense of definitely thinking it's scummy. he's got a weird query to me at #280 about Swowl's vote, after I'd made a comment about Pops/Isis's vote. I feel like he's reading a parallel-but-different version of the thread I'm in sometimes.
5. Scolapasta -- seems a bit like a quieter version of MiX. He jumps in with a comment on Joth right off the bat, though it's after MiX originally dropped his vote there. Swings to Galz for no reason I saw coming. I think #268 is agreeing that off-topic-posting is often scummy, but the phrasing leaves room for misinterpretation like some of MiX's stuff too. Unclear why he moves to Chairs rather than Joth if he's actually following along with MiX, though.

That's still quite a wall, even in abstracted form. Anyway, not sure I'm seeing any obvscum here, though I'm not sure I expect to on a d1, especially if even Isis is resigning to the fact that MiX may get his way with his proposed exile-pool (expool? spool?), none of whom is in that top group of people anyway. I'll try to iso the rest tomorrow, since I've just noticed that the day after that is the d1 deadline.

PPE ~4-9, depending on how I count it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 27, 2020, 07:59:40 pm
"Proposed name of Jimmmmm's site" is the correct term.

You'll see when we start playing in joth/isis/chairs. Then we can ditch this forum!


By the way, what's your read on me? It feels like you gave up? Same for scola.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 27, 2020, 08:11:17 pm
I'd also like Galz to respond to my swowl case.

I would like robz to answer my previous question regarding what your case is?

How about I値l make it super simple - explain to me exactly what it is that you think i was making an excuse to leave the table from? Like not the general 3 post back and forth between Galz and I. But what exact part of it do you think i would have enough of an issue with dealing with that i do what you say instead of not?

I think it痴 perfectly obvious. There痴 not a lot to it, because it痴 not like the most major slam dunk case ever.

It is not obvious to me. At the very least I think I have a certain "right" to request the case being made on me to be explained in full.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 28, 2020, 04:56:26 am
"Proposed name of Jimmmmm's site" is the correct term.

It took me a while to realise this was in response to me. I have no idea what the proposed name of Jimmmmm's site is -- would you care to elaborate?

You'll see when we start playing in joth/isis/chairs. Then we can ditch this forum!

That first sentence doesn't make sense to me. The second sentence makes grammatical sense, but I'm not someone who jumps to the new cool thing too often, so I'm more likely to stay here than to jump ship to something that looks different.

By the way, what's your read on me? It feels like you gave up? Same for scola.

Hey, you're in the same timezone as me, and it was almost 1am, which is my hard stop time. I guess my read on you is that I'm trying hard not to give into bias and just think you're scummy for being so indirect in what you're saying the same time as being super-assertive that you're right about your eventual conclusions. Like, I'm pretty sure I see where you were coming from way back in the opening posts about Joth's possible scumslip, and your vote backs you up on it. But then when other people asked about it, you just kind of left the topic there waiting for other people to talk, which seems like not being committed, in spite of the vote. So that makes me wary that you're trying to leave too much wiggle room.

Scola is a more diluted version of you because he makes fewer posts, but I still feel a bit like he's not fully making sense to me (see the integers thing), and also he seems to have sheeped one of your exile options, hence being mildly in the MiX camp too.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 07:46:54 am
"Proposed name of Jimmmmm's site" is the correct term.

It took me a while to realise this was in response to me. I have no idea what the proposed name of Jimmmmm's site is -- would you care to elaborate?

You'll see when we start playing in joth/isis/chairs. Then we can ditch this forum!

That first sentence doesn't make sense to me. The second sentence makes grammatical sense, but I'm not someone who jumps to the new cool thing too often, so I'm more likely to stay here than to jump ship to something that looks different.

MiX may get his way with his proposed exile-pool (expool? spool?)

It's a very complicated joke that doesn't belong in a game. You see, Jimmmm's site is called "Lynchpool", and he wants a new name for it. So "proposed name of Jimmmmm's site" is simultaneously a way to say lynchpool without saying lynch, and a thing in itself: if I'm "proposing a name for Jimmmmm's site", and that is "joth/isis/chairs" (my lynchpool), then if it would get approved, we would be playing in a site called "joth/isis/chairs".

I'll see myself out. Call me when one of these flip town.

By the way, I'm being incredibly stubborn because I still remember macguffin mafia where 2 obv!town for me were exiled, and so I had to misexile someone that I actually thought was scum, but since we had already killed too many town, I was left with zero error margin, and so when I made a mistake I caused town to be endgamed. That was incredibly frustrating so I'm doing everything I can to stop it from happening, the easiest way is to push my scumreads a ton so I can correct myself before town's endgamed.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 08:56:29 am
MiX, I find this post about your introspection process really illuminating. I have often said I feel like you and I have come so far in terms of how we read/treat each other, but the truth is that you have really come so far and I致e just come a little but. I admire the way that you actively seek improvement in your game.

This perhaps also explains some of why I have found you off this game, because it痴 really this lack of pushing that Space articulates.

So, let痴 see how well you池e reading Joth. I致e been fairly null on him, but I知 willing to stand next to you for awhile.

Vote: Joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 09:42:00 am
Vote: Swowl
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 11:58:07 am
I'm scumreading Didds's people pleasing tone.

Joth, why are you voting Swowl?  Why not vote me instead?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 28, 2020, 12:01:56 pm
I'm scumreading Didds's people pleasing tone.

Joth, why are you voting Swowl?  Why not vote me instead?

Yeah, good question!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 12:06:31 pm
I'm scumreading Didds's people pleasing tone.

Joth, why are you voting Swowl?  Why not vote me instead?

Ha! I知 an approval seeker from way back. I blame growing up in Texas.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 12:16:40 pm
I'm scumreading Didds's people pleasing tone.

Joth, why are you voting Swowl?  Why not vote me instead?

Because I'm townreading you.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 28, 2020, 12:33:31 pm
Vote: Joth

is good with me. was struggling on deciding between the other wagons.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 01:44:43 pm
I guess I need to do a re-read in the next 24 hours to prevent myself from being the deadline panic exile. Stand by for wall posts and airtight cases that will break this game wide open.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 01:50:13 pm
Ugh. Never good for town when we sort of come down to the wire and are forced to do a last minute exile without time to adjudicate claims. It's time for some wagon consolidation, people.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 01:52:51 pm
I guess I need to do a re-read in the next 24 hours to prevent myself from being the deadline panic exile. Stand by for wall posts and airtight cases that will break this game wide open.

I too would prefer a non-joth exile, given that I have a pretty strong town read on joth.

Vote Count 1.2

Isis (2): EFHW, SpaceAnemone
Swowl (2): LaLight, Robz888
jotheonah (2): MiX, chairs
MiX (3): WestCoastDidds, jotheonah, Isis
LaLight (1): Dylan32
chairs (2): Galzria, scolapasta
Galzria (1): Swowl

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020. That is in ~48 hours.

NOTE: Isis is popsofctown's new name.


As obnoxious and wrong as MiX has been, I don't actually think he's scum, and don't see myself voting there.

Swowl would probably be my first choice, still.

What is the chairs case?

Don't want to lynch isis.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:03:47 pm
Well, it seems like in the absence of folks uninterested or unable to scumhunt, that voting for the anti-town folks is a pretty good fall back.

This is both a wrong and scummy thing to say. Town should never normalize voting for someone for any reason other than "I think their name is more likely than not  to flip red". If we do, we give scum a free pass to participate in a misexile and not be held accountable for it.

I think we should be looking at everyone who jumped on the "distracting fluff" is scummy argument, including Didds, Space, and Swowl.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:04:49 pm
Sorry, not Swowl. LaLight though.

Unvote because Swowl isn't pinging me on my reread.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:06:04 pm
I think it痴 far easier more likely for scum to hide behind the artifice of false indignation over the existence of off-topic fluff posts than it is for scum to continuously go through the effort of making them. It痴 the easiest of ways to appear pro-Town without actually committing to anything game-relevant.

I知 happy with my Chairs vote right now.

Galzria is right here -- but it doesn't seem like we really followed up on that. Is chairs the best example of this?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 02:11:11 pm
Well, it seems like in the absence of folks uninterested or unable to scumhunt, that voting for the anti-town folks is a pretty good fall back.

This is both a wrong and scummy thing to say. Town should never normalize voting for someone for any reason other than "I think their name is more likely than not  to flip red". If we do, we give scum a free pass to participate in a misexile and not be held accountable for it.

I think we should be looking at everyone who jumped on the "distracting fluff" is scummy argument, including Didds, Space, and Swowl.

You misunderstand me, I think. I知 never anti-fluff and in the post you cite I知 saying anti town is scummier than not.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 02:11:44 pm
I think it痴 far easier more likely for scum to hide behind the artifice of false indignation over the existence of off-topic fluff posts than it is for scum to continuously go through the effort of making them. It痴 the easiest of ways to appear pro-Town without actually committing to anything game-relevant.

I知 happy with my Chairs vote right now.

Galzria is right here -- but it doesn't seem like we really followed up on that. Is chairs the best example of this?

I don't think the posters-of-fluff are particularly likely to be scummy, but I don't really think the mad-about-fluff people are necessarily scummy either. If that's the case against chairs I especially don't like it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:15:07 pm
Well, it seems like in the absence of folks uninterested or unable to scumhunt, that voting for the anti-town folks is a pretty good fall back.

This is both a wrong and scummy thing to say. Town should never normalize voting for someone for any reason other than "I think their name is more likely than not  to flip red". If we do, we give scum a free pass to participate in a misexile and not be held accountable for it.

I think we should be looking at everyone who jumped on the "distracting fluff" is scummy argument, including Didds, Space, and Swowl.

You misunderstand me, I think. I知 never anti-fluff and in the post you cite I知 saying anti town is scummier than not.

I guess I did, and maybe still do.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:18:41 pm
Ok, I did a reread and I'm going with Vote: chairs

People have been voting for chairs all day, but not at the same time, so those votes have not added up to a chairs wagon.  As a result, basically no one has defended chairs.

As much as we like to point to partner defenses on day 1, it's much more likely that scum tries to avoid defending their partner on day 1, especially if they don't need it.

I think chairs and MiX are scum together and chairs is the obligatory actual scum on MiX's fake scum team. chairs' posts haven't struck me as particularly scummy but nor have they struck me as at all townie, and I trust the reads of several people who have voted chairs. So I think that's our best bet for today.

If you're voting for me and your name isn't MiX, I'm gonna want to know why and whether you actually think I'm scum or just good enough for a D1 exile.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 02:26:21 pm
Why is chairs scum? Because everyone scumreads him? That's a terrible case.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:28:47 pm
Why is chairs scum? Because everyone scumreads him? That's a terrible case.

Everyone scumreads him and no one's defended him, yet a wagon on him hasn't stuck. That's a great case.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:29:22 pm
The best way to defend your partner day 1 is just to ignore votes on them and make a lot of noise about voting for someone else.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 28, 2020, 02:36:08 pm
Vote Count 1.3

Isis (2): EFHW, SpaceAnemone
Swowl (2): LaLight, Robz888,
jotheonah (4): MiX, chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
LaLight (1): Dylan32
chairs (4): Galzria, scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020. That is in ~24 hours.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 02:37:23 pm
Vote: chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 02:39:45 pm
Why is chairs scum? Because everyone scumreads him? That's a terrible case.

Everyone scumreads him and no one's defended him, yet a wagon on him hasn't stuck. That's a great case.

That's a mediocre case, but better than the one on me.

Vote: chairs

Who's scum: the person who's trying the least, or the person who's arguably trying the most?

The answer may surprise you.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 28, 2020, 02:43:49 pm
MiX, why are you always saying things about someone's alignment as if your reads are always 100% correct, although you were proven wrong a number of times?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 28, 2020, 02:44:03 pm
vote: chairs, X-1
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 02:45:13 pm
MiX, why are you always saying things about someone's alignment as if your reads are always 100% correct, although you were proven wrong a number of times?

Because I'm been correct and dismissed my own correct reads many more times.

vote: chairs, X-1

Chairs is anti-town town.

Damn. I guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 28, 2020, 02:46:54 pm
MiX, why are you always saying things about someone's alignment as if your reads are always 100% correct, although you were proven wrong a number of times?

Because I'm been correct and dismissed my own correct reads many more times.

yeah, but you work alone, you never work with town. You say things to discourage people for voting for other people without any argument whatsoever.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 02:49:19 pm
Town seems to scumread chairs and joth, right?

I'm doing my part.

You shouldn't vote or unvote based on anyone else other than yourself and the votee.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 02:56:27 pm
MiX aren't you scumreading chairs? Haven't you been saying that all game? Called him as part of the team?

Strange that you don't want to put down a vote now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 02:57:51 pm
Chairs is by far the scummiest player. See: Fake reaction to early voting MiX; Fake indignation over fluff posts & vote for Pops; Bad wagoning on Swowl.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 03:17:41 pm
MiX aren't you scumreading chairs? Haven't you been saying that all game? Called him as part of the team?

Strange that you don't want to put down a vote now.

I would be literally hammering. I'd rather find out if you're scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 03:26:31 pm
MiX aren't you scumreading chairs? Haven't you been saying that all game? Called him as part of the team?

Strange that you don't want to put down a vote now.

I would be literally hammering. I'd rather find out if you're scum.

That does seem preferable to hammering your partner. Good luck with that!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 03:29:03 pm
Good luck with that!

Yeah this is like all of your posts summarized.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 28, 2020, 04:05:25 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 28, 2020, 04:18:04 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 28, 2020, 04:33:09 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

what you think of Joth?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:33:46 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 04:34:57 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

really? ok in that case I'm signing off for the rest of the day too.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:35:27 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

really? ok in that case I'm signing off for the rest of the day too.

Well I already didn't think you were scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 28, 2020, 04:36:10 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

what you think of Joth?

Early game slight townread, more recently pushed back to null, but I saw and agree with his observation on MiX, which pushes slightly town, so I would prefer MiX or chairs to joth.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 04:36:30 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

Good instinct but it won't work. MiX is unexilable day 1.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: LaLight on July 28, 2020, 04:37:01 pm
vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 04:39:14 pm
I'm down with vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:39:21 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

Good instinct but it won't work. MiX is unexilable day 1.

Why is this the case?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 04:40:24 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I guess, 2 things

(1)  all you know is that chairs said he was leaving it there. that could have been a bluff.
(2)  why wouldn't scum do that if it worked this well to get you to change your vote?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 28, 2020, 04:40:52 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

Good instinct but it won't work. MiX is unexilable day 1.

It only takes 5 more votes to prove that wrong.

ppe: 4 votes to prove it wrong
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 04:41:55 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

I like this reasoning.

Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I don稚 like this reasoning (although it may not be wrong... I just don稚 like it).

Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

really? ok in that case I'm signing off for the rest of the day too.

Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:43:38 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I guess, 2 things

(1)  all you know is that chairs said he was leaving it there. that could have been a bluff.
(2)  why wouldn't scum do that if it worked this well to get you to change your vote?

Well, scum!chairs would have had to know that this post would have such a reaction on me, which is possibly and would be very very impressive play on his part, but seems less likely. It's more likely that I'm just wrong, then he's scum and gamed this out specifically with this in mind.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 04:44:49 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

Except he doesn't need you specifically to have that reaction - just anyone who was voting for him.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I guess, 2 things

(1)  all you know is that chairs said he was leaving it there. that could have been a bluff.
(2)  why wouldn't scum do that if it worked this well to get you to change your vote?

Well, scum!chairs would have had to know that this post would have such a reaction on me, which is possibly and would be very very impressive play on his part, but seems less likely. It's more likely that I'm just wrong, then he's scum and gamed this out specifically with this in mind.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 04:45:21 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

Except he doesn't need you specifically to have that reaction - just anyone who was voting for him.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I guess, 2 things

(1)  all you know is that chairs said he was leaving it there. that could have been a bluff.
(2)  why wouldn't scum do that if it worked this well to get you to change your vote?

Well, scum!chairs would have had to know that this post would have such a reaction on me, which is possibly and would be very very impressive play on his part, but seems less likely. It's more likely that I'm just wrong, then he's scum and gamed this out specifically with this in mind.

Yay, my first quote fail!

I'll try that again:

Except he doesn't need you specifically to have that reaction - just anyone who was voting for him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:45:24 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I guess, 2 things

(1)  all you know is that chairs said he was leaving it there. that could have been a bluff.
(2)  why wouldn't scum do that if it worked this well to get you to change your vote?

Well, scum!chairs would have had to know that this post would have such a reaction on me, which is possibly and would be very very impressive play on his part, but seems less likely. It's more likely that I'm just wrong, then he's scum and gamed this out specifically with this in mind.

Edit to the above: It's more likely that I'm just wrong, THAN that he's scum and gamed this out specifically with this in mind.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:47:02 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

Except he doesn't need you specifically to have that reaction - just anyone who was voting for him.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I guess, 2 things

(1)  all you know is that chairs said he was leaving it there. that could have been a bluff.
(2)  why wouldn't scum do that if it worked this well to get you to change your vote?

Well, scum!chairs would have had to know that this post would have such a reaction on me, which is possibly and would be very very impressive play on his part, but seems less likely. It's more likely that I'm just wrong, then he's scum and gamed this out specifically with this in mind.

Yay, my first quote fail!

I'll try that again:

Except he doesn't need you specifically to have that reaction - just anyone who was voting for him.

It's going to be WIFOM but I think consigning one's self to death and then disappearing is a likely way to get killed. My memory can be off, but it seems to me that in the past when I've tried this, it's resulted in my exile.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 04:49:18 pm
Tentative vote: Joth. A number of posts in the last 36 hours or so have pinged me. There痴 been an almost... flippancy about his posts that don稚 feel like they are genuinely townie.

Debating my feelings towards MiX/Robz/Swowl/LaLight right now. Also way, way, way under the Radar is Space.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:52:18 pm
Tentative vote: Joth. A number of posts in the last 36 hours or so have pinged me. There痴 been an almost... flippancy about his posts that don稚 feel like they are genuinely townie.

Debating my feelings towards MiX/Robz/Swowl/LaLight right now. Also way, way, way under the Radar is Space.

Space's sole contribution, in my head at least, has been to complain about the Isis fluff謡hich still makes Space vastly more active and distinguishable than, say, LL and WCD.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 04:53:38 pm
I prefer MiX to Joth, so Vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 04:58:38 pm
I guess this is why hammering is pro town?

I'd rather get scum 100% than someone that can flip town.

My read on chairs hasn't changed in a while, and his latest post is pretty null to me, which is to say it's scummy but also what chairs does, but not what town!chairs would like to do.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:01:12 pm
really? ok in that case I'm signing off for the rest of the day too.

Did you know that this is joth claiming to be scum? Because I do.

Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

Good instinct but it won't work. MiX is unexilable day 1.

I'm down with vote: MiX

You're not even trying, right? 3 minutes apart. You're not part of town. You're on a completely different level.

Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

I like this reasoning.

That's parroting what joth said, yet joth is scum and dylan is town? What gives?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 05:03:01 pm
I guess this is why hammering is pro town?

I'd rather get scum 100% than someone that can flip town.

My read on chairs hasn't changed in a while, and his latest post is pretty null to me, which is to say it's scummy but also what chairs does, but not what town!chairs would like to do.

I don't get this - you think chairs is scum, you'd 100% rather get scum, but when you had the chance to hammer you didn't.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:03:18 pm
I guess this is why hammering is pro town?

I'd rather get scum 100% than someone that can flip town.

My read on chairs hasn't changed in a while, and his latest post is pretty null to me, which is to say it's scummy but also what chairs does, but not what town!chairs would like to do.

I don't get this - you think chairs is scum, you'd 100% rather get scum, but when you had the chance to hammer you didn't.

I don't like hammering.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:05:39 pm
I think I've hammered once (when it wasn't a win for scum to do so, I've done that once too) and I was scum. I'm usually too scared to hammer, if I'm not on a wagon before X-1 why would I jump to it now?

At the moment I thought, wow the chairs wagon blew up, why is that? Let's investigate, and most importantly not end the day immediately. Aka, let's scumhunt, that's the whole point of D1.

Of course if chairs is scum, I should've hammered, but as people voting for me thinking I'm chairs' partner are saying (why didn't YOU guys hammer chairs, huh?), I'm not that sure chairs is scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:08:44 pm
Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

I prefer MiX to Joth, so Vote: MiX

Who do you prefer, like, at all?

vote: MiX

Lol? Why? Weren't you voting chairs?

I'm down with vote: MiX

You won't take any of my questions seriously, but isn't chairs infinitely easier to exile than me? Why vote me if we're both scum? chairs has a much bigger wagon!

Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

I don't really think scum would risk leaving it at that and signing off here, so this is more likely coming from town.

Unvote

really? ok in that case I'm signing off for the rest of the day too.

Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.

Wooooah. Galzria caught the scumslip too. Well done.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 05:11:47 pm
Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.

I was more going for "really, that worked on you? in that case, I'll do it too because I also don't want to be exiled"
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 05:13:27 pm
I think I've hammered once (when it wasn't a win for scum to do so, I've done that once too) and I was scum. I'm usually too scared to hammer, if I'm not on a wagon before X-1 why would I jump to it now?

This is the scummy kind of self-awareness.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:14:44 pm
Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.

I was more going for "really, that worked on you? in that case, I'll do it too because I also don't want to be exiled"

That's really not what town!you would be thinking about. Your scumread that you're voting for is at X-2 and was recently at X-1, with everyone scumreading them, including the person that's most pushing you. I'd call that a victory, yet you're playing self-preservation.

I think I've hammered once (when it wasn't a win for scum to do so, I've done that once too) and I was scum. I'm usually too scared to hammer, if I'm not on a wagon before X-1 why would I jump to it now?

This is the scummy kind of self-awareness.

Self-awareness of what? Oh, not hammering when town? I just don't hammer at all. I don't like it. I guess I can say why I don't do it when I'm scum, but it boils down to, well, I'm not usually in a position to do so, as town!me is also not usually in said position.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 05:14:56 pm
I.e. what I'm hearing from MiX is "I regret missing my chance to hammer, now let me try to spin that as a reason for you not to vote me."

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 05:17:03 pm
I think I've hammered once (when it wasn't a win for scum to do so, I've done that once too) and I was scum. I'm usually too scared to hammer, if I'm not on a wagon before X-1 why would I jump to it now?

At the moment I thought, wow the chairs wagon blew up, why is that? Let's investigate, and most importantly not end the day immediately. Aka, let's scumhunt, that's the whole point of D1.

Of course if chairs is scum, I should've hammered, but as people voting for me thinking I'm chairs' partner are saying (why didn't YOU guys hammer chairs, huh?), I'm not that sure chairs is scum.

I generally understand the desire to scumhunt, in this case it just seems a bit sketchy - we're already nearing end of day (tomorrow at noon?).

Also MiX saying "I'm usually too scared to hammer" just sounds wrong. That's not the image of MiX I have.

Ppe 4
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 05:20:42 pm
Of course if chairs is scum, I should've hammered, but as people voting for me thinking I'm chairs' partner are saying (why didn't YOU guys hammer chairs, huh?), I'm not that sure chairs is scum.




chairs looks scummy, Galz looks scummy, but I haven't given it much thought.

Which probably means they're both town...

I caught scum already. Why do I need to do more?

The scumteam's joth/pops/chairs by the way. Just exile all of them and win!

Birthdays are a social construct designed to artificially inflate capitalistic tendencies among the masses.

And this is why you're scum.

It's the chairs freeze effect, where chairs says a bunch of nonsense and no one can say anything anymore.

Kinda makes me wanna exile him tbh, but he's the least-likely-to-be-scum scumread I have.

Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. The game's over.

Why do I need to jump?

Chairs is doing really crazy shenanigans which at this point I think is scummy, but he could be town. I feel like he would be saying more meaningful things as town, and the same amount of fluffyness.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:22:04 pm
I.e. what I'm hearing from MiX is "I regret missing my chance to hammer, now let me try to spin that as a reason for you not to vote me."

This is kinda correct.

I think I've hammered once (when it wasn't a win for scum to do so, I've done that once too) and I was scum. I'm usually too scared to hammer, if I'm not on a wagon before X-1 why would I jump to it now?

At the moment I thought, wow the chairs wagon blew up, why is that? Let's investigate, and most importantly not end the day immediately. Aka, let's scumhunt, that's the whole point of D1.

Of course if chairs is scum, I should've hammered, but as people voting for me thinking I'm chairs' partner are saying (why didn't YOU guys hammer chairs, huh?), I'm not that sure chairs is scum.

I generally understand the desire to scumhunt, in this case it just seems a bit sketchy - we're already nearing end of day (tomorrow at noon?).

Also MiX saying "I'm usually too scared to hammer" just sounds wrong. That's not the image of MiX I have.

Ppe 4

Well, you've got me wrong then.

PPE: Yes, I know my own posts. I've been scumreading chairs. Doesn't mean I need to hammer him. He can be town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 05:23:24 pm
Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.

I was more going for "really, that worked on you? in that case, I'll do it too because I also don't want to be exiled"

That's really not what town!you would be thinking about. Your scumread that you're voting for is at X-2 and was recently at X-1, with everyone scumreading them, including the person that's most pushing you. I'd call that a victory, yet you're playing self-preservation.

Ohh FFS (and Galz this goes for you too) I was sarcastically pointing out that Robz's unvote was letting chairs off the hook too easily. That's all I was doing. I guess I did a bad job of making the point. I was not seriously saying that I was going to stop posting and I was not seriously trying to get people to stop voting for me. It was a cute, humorous attempt to convey to Robz that I thought his unvote was weak.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 05:25:12 pm
We're all just pointing out the undeniable reality that  all game you have been not only scumreading chairs but expressing absolute certainty that he's scum (without, I might add, ever voting for him) and then, when you were given the opportunity to hammer him, you wouldn't do it. In fact, you're still not voting for him now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:25:53 pm
We're all just pointing out the undeniable reality that  all game you have been not only scumreading chairs but expressing absolute certainty that he's scum (without, I might add, ever voting for him) and then, when you were given the opportunity to hammer him, you wouldn't do it. In fact, you're still not voting for him now.

If you do, I will.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 05:26:37 pm
Vote: chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 05:26:53 pm
Vote: chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 05:27:38 pm
Also, I think I've said this 1000 times in 1000 games but self-preservation is not alignment indicative. Unless you're a jester, no one wants to be exiled. So it's not a town tell that chairs doesn't seem invested in saving himself and it's not a scum tell that I do.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 05:28:35 pm
I.e. what I'm hearing from MiX is "I regret missing my chance to hammer, now let me try to spin that as a reason for you not to vote me."

This is kinda correct.

I think I've hammered once (when it wasn't a win for scum to do so, I've done that once too) and I was scum. I'm usually too scared to hammer, if I'm not on a wagon before X-1 why would I jump to it now?

At the moment I thought, wow the chairs wagon blew up, why is that? Let's investigate, and most importantly not end the day immediately. Aka, let's scumhunt, that's the whole point of D1.

Of course if chairs is scum, I should've hammered, but as people voting for me thinking I'm chairs' partner are saying (why didn't YOU guys hammer chairs, huh?), I'm not that sure chairs is scum.

I generally understand the desire to scumhunt, in this case it just seems a bit sketchy - we're already nearing end of day (tomorrow at noon?).

Also MiX saying "I'm usually too scared to hammer" just sounds wrong. That's not the image of MiX I have.

Ppe 4

Well, you've got me wrong then.

PPE: Yes, I know my own posts. I've been scumreading chairs. Doesn't mean I need to hammer him. He can be town.

I mean, maybe? Everything you always post is with such confidence (as exhibited by joth's quote wall), to then hear a timid  "I'm usually too scared to hammer".


ppe several
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 05:30:05 pm
Man, now I'm torn - I was about to switch my vote to MiX, and now the chairs vote has quickly grown again.

I still like chairs for scum. so leaving my vote. Let's see if we can get this done.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 05:32:11 pm
Also, I completely side with joth on the "that's what'll do then". It's NAI.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 28, 2020, 05:36:35 pm
There is a scummy side to fluff posting. It's easy to do and making up posts with substance is hard as scum. It also breaks up discussions, making town efforts less effective. Last, it demonstrates a disengagement from town goals, which is very much a scum trait.

Reposting this because it seems like it's been missed by a few people.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 28, 2020, 05:37:30 pm
Now I discover I've missed a bunch. Catching up.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 05:43:46 pm
Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.

I was more going for "really, that worked on you? in that case, I'll do it too because I also don't want to be exiled"

That's really not what town!you would be thinking about. Your scumread that you're voting for is at X-2 and was recently at X-1, with everyone scumreading them, including the person that's most pushing you. I'd call that a victory, yet you're playing self-preservation.

Ohh FFS (and Galz this goes for you too) I was sarcastically pointing out that Robz's unvote was letting chairs off the hook too easily. That's all I was doing. I guess I did a bad job of making the point. I was not seriously saying that I was going to stop posting and I was not seriously trying to get people to stop voting for me. It was a cute, humorous attempt to convey to Robz that I thought his unvote was weak.

Clearly I stated that I knew you were being facetious and not serious. But this hasn稚 been the only flippant post that you致e made. I知 not voting you because you were going to stop posting for the rest of the day - making my vote out to be that is missing the point at best, and scummy at worst.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 28, 2020, 05:52:46 pm
joth's summary of MiX's stances toward chairs shows the exact mix (haha) of attitudes he is showing now. I was reading MiX as very towny. Until he voted chairs to please joth, his biggest scum read. This chairs wagon feels very scummy to me and I won't be joining it.  I'm thinking the chairs voters are my X-pool.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 05:59:34 pm
Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.

I was more going for "really, that worked on you? in that case, I'll do it too because I also don't want to be exiled"

That's really not what town!you would be thinking about. Your scumread that you're voting for is at X-2 and was recently at X-1, with everyone scumreading them, including the person that's most pushing you. I'd call that a victory, yet you're playing self-preservation.

Ohh FFS (and Galz this goes for you too) I was sarcastically pointing out that Robz's unvote was letting chairs off the hook too easily. That's all I was doing. I guess I did a bad job of making the point. I was not seriously saying that I was going to stop posting and I was not seriously trying to get people to stop voting for me. It was a cute, humorous attempt to convey to Robz that I thought his unvote was weak.

Clearly I stated that I knew you were being facetious and not serious. But this hasn稚 been the only flippant post that you致e made. I知 not voting you because you were going to stop posting for the rest of the day - making my vote out to be that is missing the point at best, and scummy at worst.

Why ARE you voting for me?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 28, 2020, 07:26:26 pm
I've iso'd Robz, Chairs and LL now too.. the latter two didn't take long! I think the reads are most relevant in the context of the game stuff that's happened over the past few hours, though.

For Robz, I agree with his MiX vote, given MiX's reaction to being called on his failure to hammer one of his top scumteam. Other than that, my reads are pretty incompatible with Robz's, in that I townread Swowl and Robz seems to scumread him while townreading Joth, whose possible early scumslip I'm still holding as suspicious.

For Chairs, one thing I noticed was that a lot of his early interactions are with MiX and not so much with other people. Coupling that with MiX's unwillingness to be the hammer, and that seems suspicious.

For LL, he almost always just reads as genuine to me, and he was the first one to point out the Joth slip, in his very first post this game, which seems townie. Of course, he's being even more d1-shy than me this game, which doesn't help with making a solid-feeling read.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 28, 2020, 07:29:05 pm
Vote: Chairs for the time being. Could be persuaded onto MiX, I think, after the no-hammer stuff.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 07:30:52 pm
That's X-1 by the way.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 28, 2020, 07:31:40 pm
Here's a Space Count:

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, Galzria
Chairs (5): scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah, MiX, SpaceAnemone
MiX (3): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888

Looks like my vote put Chairs to X-2 again.

PPE 1: what did I miss?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 28, 2020, 07:32:53 pm
I should point out that my vote counter has already disagreed once with the formal count, because I built it up over time to allow the little vote errors that most/many mods allow, but we've seen here that those aren't being counted..
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 07:33:29 pm
Here's a Space Count:

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, Galzria
Chairs (5): scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah, MiX, SpaceAnemone
MiX (3): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888

Looks like my vote put Chairs to X-2 again.

PPE 1: what did I miss?

I missed that Galzria was voting chairs, so I didn't count his movement.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 07:54:59 pm
That was a very strange afternoon. MiX was so certain about his scum team, then not?

Is that scummy or just watching things unfold? Not sure...

Whose your scum team now, MiX?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:10:09 pm
That was a very strange afternoon. MiX was so certain about his scum team, then not?

Is that scummy or just watching things unfold? Not sure...

Whose your scum team now, MiX?

I don't know. Probably still joth/isis/chairs, but I don't know anymore.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:10:25 pm
Ok, I'm willing to hammer chairs, but MiX's reaction here to chair's wagon seems scummy, even if they aren't partners, like he's included chairs as part of his 100% scum team, but then on other occasions when someone else called chairs scummy, MiX questioned them on it. It's like he's listing chairs as a scumread but then hedges to A) avoid looking scummy if chairs flips green or B) avoid pushing a partner through to exile.

Vote: MiX

Good instinct but it won't work. MiX is unexilable day 1.
eh heh heh
heh heh
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:16:22 pm
Is chairs hammered already?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:17:24 pm
Is chairs hammered already?

No.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:17:42 pm
Vote: chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:17:55 pm
Is chairs hammered already?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:19:33 pm
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:19:53 pm
Is chairs hammered already?

You were already voting for them, if Space's vote count is right.

Vote: MiX

No I am not hammered already.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:21:39 pm
I feel kind of inspired by the idea MiX is hard to exile D1 but if we band together we can do it.

Dylan is an inspiration to us all.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:23:04 pm
Is it Dylan as the boy's name or like the girl's name btw I keep wondering
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:23:43 pm
I feel kind of inspired by the idea MiX is hard to exile D1 but if we band together we can do it.

Dylan is an inspiration to us all.

I can only be exiled if I'm town. It's true. That or guilty cop result.

Is it Dylan as the boy's name or like the girl's name btw I keep wondering

Dylan's a he, so, probably boy?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 08:24:15 pm
MiX's "scumslip" interpretation read more like scumstretching than town confbias to me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 08:26:42 pm
vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:41:11 pm
X-2 and joth nor chairs are on me, and they're the alternative wagons.

Deadline in 16 hours.

I did what I had to do. Catch scum.

Just don't forget about that, okay?

vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.

What does this even mean? Say your thoughts, not "icky".
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 08:44:11 pm
Chairs (5): scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah, MiX, SpaceAnemone

Is chairs hammered already?

Vote: chairs

Is chairs hammered already?

This seems designed to get a reaction. I gotta say, I'm not sure what to make of Isis's play. At least it's different.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 08:45:42 pm
X-2 and joth nor chairs are on me, and they're the alternative wagons.

Deadline in 16 hours.

I did what I had to do. Catch scum.

Just don't forget about that, okay?

vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.

What does this even mean? Say your thoughts, not "icky".

K.

Of course if chairs is scum, I should've hammered, but as people voting for me thinking I'm chairs' partner are saying (why didn't YOU guys hammer chairs, huh?), I'm not that sure chairs is scum.




chairs looks scummy, Galz looks scummy, but I haven't given it much thought.

Which probably means they're both town...

I caught scum already. Why do I need to do more?

The scumteam's joth/pops/chairs by the way. Just exile all of them and win!

Birthdays are a social construct designed to artificially inflate capitalistic tendencies among the masses.

And this is why you're scum.

It's the chairs freeze effect, where chairs says a bunch of nonsense and no one can say anything anymore.

Kinda makes me wanna exile him tbh, but he's the least-likely-to-be-scum scumread I have.

Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. The game's over.

Why do I need to jump?

Chairs is doing really crazy shenanigans which at this point I think is scummy, but he could be town. I feel like he would be saying more meaningful things as town, and the same amount of fluffyness.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:46:26 pm
vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.

What does this even mean? Say your thoughts, not "icky".
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 08:47:05 pm
I still don't buy that Mix was afraid to hammer one of his scum reads.

Vote: MiX

should be X-1

ppe 2-3
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:49:25 pm
I still don't buy that Mix was afraid to hammer one of his scum reads.

Vote: MiX

should be X-1

ppe 2-3

You would be wrong. You would be...very...very...wrong.

It takes a lot of courage to have scumreads that don't break after 1 IRL day. More than I have. It takes even more to single handily end the day because someone's at X-1. That courage I can't make up. Also note how many people moved from chairs. I didn't break the wagon. And if chairs is town, I stopped town from making a very big mistake.

Good luck town. You might as well have dayvigged me early on and made my 3 scumreads immortal.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 08:55:02 pm
X-2 and joth nor chairs are on me, and they're the alternative wagons.

Deadline in 16 hours.

I did what I had to do. Catch scum.

Just don't forget about that, okay?

vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.

What does this even mean? Say your thoughts, not "icky".

Did what you had to do? Catch scum? But you wouldn稚 Hammer them? Because when they flipped Green you would look bad and you didn稚 want that.

See, there are 4 options:

Both Green - MiX, who has been pounding on the 杜y reads are right and I知 not backing down ever this game hammers here. Why wouldn稚 he? He doesn稚 know Chairs is Green and thinks for all the world he knows best.

MiX Green, Chairs Red - Sea above, but with a way better outcome.

MiX Red, Chairs Green - Hammering Green looks scummy. MiX LOVES 的 told you so痴 and trying to demonize players that vote for mis-exiles. Much better for his image to stay off. Someone else can take the fall for a bad hammer.

Both Red - MiX doesn稚 want to hammer his partner here. Hopefully the wagon goes poof, but even if someone else hammers MiX can still take credit for the read - 徹h please, I was pushing him all day. I just didn稚 Hammer because we still had 24 hours in the day.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:57:53 pm
See, there are 4 options:

Both Green - MiX, who has been pounding on the 杜y reads are right and I知 not backing down ever this game hammers here. Why wouldn稚 he? He doesn稚 know Chairs is Green and thinks for all the world he knows best.

MiX Green, Chairs Red - Sea above, but with a way better outcome.

MiX Red, Chairs Green - Hammering Green looks scummy. MiX LOVES 的 told you so痴 and trying to demonize players that vote for mis-exiles. Much better for his image to stay off. Someone else can take the fall for a bad hammer.

Both Red - MiX doesn稚 want to hammer his partner here. Hopefully the wagon goes poof, but even if someone else hammers MiX can still take credit for the read - 徹h please, I was pushing him all day. I just didn稚 Hammer because we still had 24 hours in the day.

Both Green - MiX doesn't like to hammer

MiX Green, chairs scum - MiX doesn't like to hammer and it backfires massively

MiX red, chairs green - MiX doesn't like the heat, prefers to try to exile joth knowing he'll get heat for that misexile way more than chairs, given how much I've hedged for chairs.

Mix red, chairs red - MiX doesn't take the cred, goes for joth instead to get both of them (MiX and chairs) heat for D2.

Your logic is terrible here.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 08:58:16 pm
vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.

What does this even mean? Say your thoughts, not "icky".

Space & Joth covered them pretty well, thanks.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 08:59:17 pm
Oh btw note how I'm one of the alternatives for TODAY, so not hammering chairs means I can very well die now.

Yeah that's definitely what scum!me likes. An end-of-day wagon coming full swing.

vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.

What does this even mean? Say your thoughts, not "icky".

Space & Joth covered them pretty well, thanks.

Fine.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 08:59:35 pm
See, there are 4 options:

Both Green - MiX, who has been pounding on the 杜y reads are right and I知 not backing down ever this game hammers here. Why wouldn稚 he? He doesn稚 know Chairs is Green and thinks for all the world he knows best.

MiX Green, Chairs Red - Sea above, but with a way better outcome.

MiX Red, Chairs Green - Hammering Green looks scummy. MiX LOVES 的 told you so痴 and trying to demonize players that vote for mis-exiles. Much better for his image to stay off. Someone else can take the fall for a bad hammer.

Both Red - MiX doesn稚 want to hammer his partner here. Hopefully the wagon goes poof, but even if someone else hammers MiX can still take credit for the read - 徹h please, I was pushing him all day. I just didn稚 Hammer because we still had 24 hours in the day.

Both Green - MiX doesn't like to hammer

MiX Green, chairs scum - MiX doesn't like to hammer and it backfires massively

MiX red, chairs green - MiX doesn't like the heat, prefers to try to exile joth knowing he'll get heat for that misexile way more than chairs, given how much I've hedged for chairs.

Mix red, chairs red - MiX doesn't take the cred, goes for joth instead to get both of them (MiX and chairs) heat for D2.

Your logic is terrible here.

Good try. Better luck next time.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 09:00:48 pm
Try of what? Try. What?

You know your logic is bullshit. If I say I don't like to hammer...it's probably because I DON'T LIKE TO HAMMER!

Why the hell would I even lie about that you can read past games!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:04:04 pm
tbh chairs is probably a better flip than MiX
MiX is more fun and stuff
I kind of want to earn Dylan experience points though
I think if MiX is scum Dylan will promote and become a Rook
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 09:06:00 pm
tbh chairs is probably a better flip than MiX
MiX is more fun and stuff
I kind of want to earn Dylan experience points though
I think if MiX is scum Dylan will promote and become a Rook

Hoping someone is scum is not how you catch scum.

I know this because I'm hoping joth is scum, but it might not happen.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:06:32 pm
Fixed these for you.

Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. MiX. The game's day痴 over.

Why do I need to jump?

I'll see myself out. Call me when one of these MiX flip town..
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 09:07:28 pm
Fixed these for you.

Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. MiX. The game's day痴 over.

Why do I need to jump?

I'll see myself out. Call me when one of these MiX flip town..

They're as contradicting as they were without the edit.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:09:07 pm
Fixed these for you.

Swowl and joth both feel towny to me. @MiX, why aren't you jumping about like usual?

I caught scum. It's joth/pops/chairs. MiX. The game's day痴 over.

Why do I need to jump?

I'll see myself out. Call me when one of these MiX flip town..

They're as contradicting as they were without the edit.

Maybe don稚 express such complete unwavering and unarguable confidence in reads if you池e not willing to back those reads up with a vote.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 09:09:40 pm
Vote =/= Hammer.

I'm voting for chairs right now!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:09:44 pm
Can you make spoilerboxes that click when you expand them on this forum?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:10:55 pm
Can you make spoilerboxes that click when you expand them on this forum?

Err, like expandable/collapsible quote boxes? No.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:13:38 pm
Ok well
6 Townies
3 Vengeful Mafia
Each day before 50% of the deadline is reached, players must grow a crystal. The player chooses its color, and whether it is townie or scummy inside (town have little reason to choose the latter). There is red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet. Players can't grow crystals in a color they already have. Crystal color is public but crystal alignment is not.
Players cannot be voted directly, but their crystals can be voted. Majority voting a crystal destroys it and reveals its alignment. When a scummy crystal is destroyed all other crystals with the same owner are destroyed and the crystal's owner flipped and removed from the game.
Crystal growth is mandatory, if a player forgets to grow a crystal, the mafia pick one matching that player's alignment to be grown.
Night zero and each night, instead of a kill, the mafia may choose a town player whose crystal grown that day will be hollow. Hollow crystals aren't counted towards win conditions. If they are destroyed, it isn't shown that they were hollow, just the alignment.
The mafia wins when there is a scummy crystal of each color at the end of a night phase.
The town wins when there are two townie crystals of each color, owned by townies (townie crystals in mafia possession don't count for anyone, just like hollow crystals.) at the end of a night phase. Scum wins ties.

I'm trying to fill the last two spaces for this setup you-know-where, if anyone wants to be shamelessly poached
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:14:19 pm
Vote: Chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:15:34 pm
Vote =/= Hammer.

I'm voting for chairs right now!

After the wagon almost completely dispersed! When the gravitas of that vote was SIGNIFICANTLY less!

You致e been absolutely dead-set on this scum team and your reads ALL DAY. The moment you actually had the opportunity to ACT on your words you bailed out. I知 sorry if you don稚 like to hammer, but your words and reads become meaningless if you won稚 support them.

Yeah, you want Joth more. Joth wasn稚/isn稚 happening today. You致e bullishly stood by Chairs and Isis though. Until it mattered.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:15:46 pm
Does anyone else think the pattern of attention on swowl's slot is kinda weird this game.

Like some people don't like him and no one has a reason to think he's town but he also never moves to the top of the agenda just some potshots
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 09:19:40 pm
Does anyone else think the pattern of attention on swowl's slot is kinda weird this game.

Like some people don't like him and no one has a reason to think he's town but he also never moves to the top of the agenda just some potshots

I think Swowl's been town, and most importantly the cases for him being scum are terrible.

It is weird, but it looks like town/scum making bad cases on someone that can easily look scummy.

Ok well
I'm trying to fill the last two spaces for this setup you-know-where, if anyone wants to be shamelessly poached

That's bold. I wish I was in a position where I could accept, but my mind's not ready for more mafia games for a while. This game's burning me up, in case you haven't noticed.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 09:20:13 pm
Vote =/= Hammer.

I'm voting for chairs right now!

After the wagon almost completely dispersed! When the gravitas of that vote was SIGNIFICANTLY less!

You致e been absolutely dead-set on this scum team and your reads ALL DAY. The moment you actually had the opportunity to ACT on your words you bailed out. I知 sorry if you don稚 like to hammer, but your words and reads become meaningless if you won稚 support them.

Yeah, you want Joth more. Joth wasn稚/isn稚 happening today. You致e bullishly stood by Chairs and Isis though. Until it mattered.

Yes, I did. I have no spine.

Why am I scum?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:20:19 pm
Does anyone else think the pattern of attention on swowl's slot is kinda weird this game.

Like some people don't like him and no one has a reason to think he's town but he also never moves to the top of the agenda just some potshots

He痴 on my list and fits in some pair notes that I have, but other flips would be more likely to hit scum in my opinion, and would better inform my direct reads on him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:22:43 pm
Does anyone else think the pattern of attention on swowl's slot is kinda weird this game.

Like some people don't like him and no one has a reason to think he's town but he also never moves to the top of the agenda just some potshots

I think Swowl's been town, and most importantly the cases for him being scum are terrible.

It is weird, but it looks like town/scum making bad cases on someone that can easily look scummy.

Ok well
I'm trying to fill the last two spaces for this setup you-know-where, if anyone wants to be shamelessly poached

That's bold. I wish I was in a position where I could accept, but my mind's not ready for more mafia games for a while. This game's burning me up, in case you haven't noticed.
No one receives favor or disfavor for interest or disinterest in this game
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:23:29 pm
I liked your analysis about swowl and I think I'm persuaded to agree
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:35:39 pm
Unvote
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 09:36:26 pm
Okay, I can go to sleep now.

Good night everyone.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:38:32 pm
MiX, assume only 2 of your 3 are correct. What痴 your read on Robz?

And then:

Do you think EFHW, Didds, Space and LL are really all Town? I struggle to remember most of them are even in the game (especially Didds!)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:40:36 pm
Back to vote: Joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:42:28 pm
Are you admitting to being scum?

*Scum wouldn稚 do X*
*Really? You don稚 think scum would do X? Ok, I知 doing X*

I get you池e being facetious, but the 迭eally? reads weirdly.

I was more going for "really, that worked on you? in that case, I'll do it too because I also don't want to be exiled"

That's really not what town!you would be thinking about. Your scumread that you're voting for is at X-2 and was recently at X-1, with everyone scumreading them, including the person that's most pushing you. I'd call that a victory, yet you're playing self-preservation.

Ohh FFS (and Galz this goes for you too) I was sarcastically pointing out that Robz's unvote was letting chairs off the hook too easily. That's all I was doing. I guess I did a bad job of making the point. I was not seriously saying that I was going to stop posting and I was not seriously trying to get people to stop voting for me. It was a cute, humorous attempt to convey to Robz that I thought his unvote was weak.

Clearly I stated that I knew you were being facetious and not serious. But this hasn稚 been the only flippant post that you致e made. I知 not voting you because you were going to stop posting for the rest of the day - making my vote out to be that is missing the point at best, and scummy at worst.

Why ARE you voting for me?

Will get to this tonight, but later. Going to do pizza & beer & virtual trivia.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 09:43:31 pm
I can't remember who observed that it's impossible to lynch MiX, but they were apparently correct.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 09:43:44 pm
*exile (sorry)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 09:44:52 pm
Galzy! You wound me!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:46:06 pm
Galzy! You wound me!

Sorry!!! But really, outside all the fun posts, I really struggle to remember much game relevant stuff from you!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 28, 2020, 09:46:42 pm
Robz is my favourite this game
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:48:48 pm
I can't remember who observed that it's impossible to lynch MiX, but they were apparently correct.

I wouldn稚 have unvoted if MiX didn稚 feel genuine to me in that exchange. I feel like I pushed him decently hard.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 09:50:24 pm
Galzy! You wound me!

Sorry!!! But really, outside all the fun posts, I really struggle to remember much game relevant stuff from you!

I agree, but I'm willing to give her a pass, as she seems to be in my "struggles with D1" boat.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 09:54:23 pm
Galzy! You wound me!

Sorry!!! But really, outside all the fun posts, I really struggle to remember much game relevant stuff from you!

Fair enough. This was the didds/debate wedding anniversary so there has been travel and revelry and even when I致e been free I致e been day drinking so sketchy reads.

But I can summarize....I was on MiX all day until early this morning when I decided that although he seems to be in a bit of a funk, he痴 not overtly scummy. Things went sideways for him later in the day, but I知 still getting more funk than scum. Whenever I致e tried to characterize him as being in a funk, though, he痴 pushed back against that, so I知 not 100% sold. But that run up and then fizzle? That seemed to be driven by some scummy mofos. Not sure who that is yet, but scummy, still.

It痴 never hard to sell me on chairs, but I think Joth has been shadier here than chairs. But I get fooled by chairs ALL THE TIME. If Chris needs to be hammered tomorrow, I値l do it, but it痴 not my favorite idea.

PPE: Scola (yes! Thank you! The d1 struggle is real)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 09:54:31 pm
I can't remember who observed that it's impossible to lynch MiX, but they were apparently correct.

I wouldn稚 have unvoted if MiX didn稚 feel genuine to me in that exchange. I feel like I pushed him decently hard.

I unvoted chairs because I thought his last post read genuine and I think your comment was that you "disliked" this, so, same!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 09:55:38 pm
I can't remember who observed that it's impossible to lynch MiX, but they were apparently correct.

I wouldn稚 have unvoted if MiX didn稚 feel genuine to me in that exchange. I feel like I pushed him decently hard.

I don't know, maybe? I know I won't actually do it, but I need to go back and look at games I've played in the past with him. I feel like this is the first time I've seen a "waver" of confidence like this. I mean, maybe his hammering has never come up? I'm fairly certain I've seen more than one "intent to hammer" posts from him.

Another thing is that, especially in D1 he usually jumps votes around a decent amount. I *did* do a quick search in this gamer and he voted early RVS for isis (back when she was pops), then switcged once to joth. And that was it, until this non chairs hammer happened.

I'm really not sure how to interpret that.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 09:58:09 pm
It痴 never hard to sell me on chairs, but I think Joth has been shadier here than chairs. But I get fooled by chairs ALL THE TIME. If Chris needs to be hammered tomorrow, I値l do it, but it痴 not my favorite idea.

PPE: Scola (yes! Thank you! The d1 struggle is real)

Who is Chris? (chairs?)

Too late this game, but next game I think I may try to figure out a different D1 approach. Well, unless I'm scum, and then I'll have to figure that out.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 28, 2020, 09:59:52 pm
I can't remember who observed that it's impossible to lynch MiX, but they were apparently correct.

I wouldn稚 have unvoted if MiX didn稚 feel genuine to me in that exchange. I feel like I pushed him decently hard.

I don't know, maybe? I know I won't actually do it, but I need to go back and look at games I've played in the past with him. I feel like this is the first time I've seen a "waver" of confidence like this. I mean, maybe his hammering has never come up? I'm fairly certain I've seen more than one "intent to hammer" posts from him.

Another thing is that, especially in D1 he usually jumps votes around a decent amount. I *did* do a quick search in this gamer and he voted early RVS for isis (back when she was pops), then switcged once to joth. And that was it, until this non chairs hammer happened.

I'm really not sure how to interpret that.

He did vote EXTREMELY little as my partner in the most recently concluded game - but it was multiball, so his voting was still looking for scum so... meh.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 28, 2020, 10:02:11 pm
In terms of exile preference, mine is MiX > chairs > joth. It feels like those are the only three choices right now.

I would love a swowl exile.

A random exile of one of the lurkier people邑CD, LL, Space謡ould also be essentially fine with me.

I would prefer not to lynch pops, Galz , scola, Dylan, or joth today.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 10:04:16 pm
I can't remember who observed that it's impossible to lynch MiX, but they were apparently correct.

It was me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 10:05:24 pm
It痴 never hard to sell me on chairs, but I think Joth has been shadier here than chairs. But I get fooled by chairs ALL THE TIME. If Chris Chairs needs to be hammered tomorrow, I値l do it, but it痴 not my favorite idea.

PPE: Scola (yes! Thank you! The d1 struggle is real)

Who is Chris? (chairs?)

Too late this game, but next game I think I may try to figure out a different D1 approach. Well, unless I'm scum, and then I'll have to figure that out.

Yes! Typo...if I need to hammer chairs, I will
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 28, 2020, 10:06:40 pm
Vote: MiX

I have no memory of hammerphobia as a trait of his. I do have memory of him using dayvig a pretty flippantly. Seems weird to be afraid of hammers but fine with guns.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 10:07:09 pm
In terms of exile preference, mine is MiX > chairs > joth. It feels like those are the only three choices right now.

I would love a swowl exile.

A random exile of one of the lurkier people邑CD, LL, Space謡ould also be essentially fine with me.

I would prefer not to lynch pops, Galz , scola, Dylan, or joth today.

Swowl was on my early list. I知 not opposed.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 10:08:23 pm
Although I知 worried that it would be a late hour swerve, and that痴 also the always bad
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 28, 2020, 10:09:08 pm
Vote: MiX

I have no memory of hammerphobia as a trait of his. I do have memory of him using dayvig a pretty flippantly. Seems weird to be afraid of hammers but fine with guns.

I've never had a dayvig. You're just making things up now.

I had a vengekill, which I used on 1 of my 2 scumreads, and it missed because my third scumread wasn't possible to kill.

If I post any more I'll enter the dangerous drunken state. I've harmed this thread enough.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 28, 2020, 10:10:25 pm
Vote: MiX

I have no memory of hammerphobia as a trait of his. I do have memory of him using dayvig a pretty flippantly. Seems weird to be afraid of hammers but fine with guns.

I've never had a dayvig. You're just making things up now.

I had a vengekill, which I used on 1 of my 2 scumreads, and it missed because my third scumread wasn't possible to kill.

If I post any more I'll enter the dangerous drunken state. I've harmed this thread enough.

I mean, we're not supposed to discuss current games so I won't.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 10:10:40 pm
MiX has atoned loudly and often for incinerating me last fall. Bygones. But it was a vengekill.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 10:12:41 pm
Scola, what do you think about Joth?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 28, 2020, 10:16:22 pm
Yams, will do a vote count, please?

I have to go to bed, but I get up before most of you. xoxo
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on July 28, 2020, 11:15:30 pm
Ok well
6 Townies
3 Vengeful Mafia
Each day before 50% of the deadline is reached, players must grow a crystal. The player chooses its color, and whether it is townie or scummy inside (town have little reason to choose the latter). There is red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet. Players can't grow crystals in a color they already have. Crystal color is public but crystal alignment is not.
Players cannot be voted directly, but their crystals can be voted. Majority voting a crystal destroys it and reveals its alignment. When a scummy crystal is destroyed all other crystals with the same owner are destroyed and the crystal's owner flipped and removed from the game.
Crystal growth is mandatory, if a player forgets to grow a crystal, the mafia pick one matching that player's alignment to be grown.
Night zero and each night, instead of a kill, the mafia may choose a town player whose crystal grown that day will be hollow. Hollow crystals aren't counted towards win conditions. If they are destroyed, it isn't shown that they were hollow, just the alignment.
The mafia wins when there is a scummy crystal of each color at the end of a night phase.
The town wins when there are two townie crystals of each color, owned by townies (townie crystals in mafia possession don't count for anyone, just like hollow crystals.) at the end of a night phase. Scum wins ties.

I'm trying to fill the last two spaces for this setup you-know-where, if anyone wants to be shamelessly poached

Spoiler tags are not allowed, as per standard rule 8. Please do not do so again, consider this an official warning.

Yams, will do a vote count, please?

I have to go to bed, but I get up before most of you. xoxo

We are celebrating my birthday tonight so I will try to get one up a little later.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 29, 2020, 12:25:11 am
I can't remember who observed that it's impossible to lynch MiX, but they were apparently correct.

I wouldn稚 have unvoted if MiX didn稚 feel genuine to me in that exchange. I feel like I pushed him decently hard.
I was developing a hard scumread on you until you unvoted. 
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 29, 2020, 12:26:13 am
Isis isn't even trying to play the game.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 29, 2020, 12:31:13 am
Isis isn't even trying to play the game.
Alright, that was hyperbole.  But a spoiler wall post completely off topic? Seriously?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 29, 2020, 12:51:28 am
Re: Galz痴 的 pushed him decently hard.

You didn稚 push MiX anywhere near as hard as scum!Ash pushed town!MiX in the aforementioned 1v1, but I don稚 remember MiX going to AtE the way he just did. Tired of Ash痴 stubbornness or attacks, yeah, but tired of the whole game/not invested, I don稚 think so.  In fact it was Ash that dropped a pretty strong AtE in that game that actually convinced me to vote MiX instead. My gut says this is MiX taking a page out of Ash痴 book rather than genuinely being tired of this game. He didn稚 have a wagon at all when he didn稚 hammer chairs, so he wasn稚 even really under any pressure at that point at all, so I don稚 think there痴 been enough pressure to really push MiX to that point. I mean, someone else, possibly. MiX, I don稚 think so.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 29, 2020, 01:03:01 am
Oh btw note how I'm one of the alternatives for TODAY, so not hammering chairs means I can very well die now.

Yeah that's definitely what scum!me likes. An end-of-day wagon coming full swing
.

vote: MiX

The whole MiX/Chairs thing is icky.

What does this even mean? Say your thoughts, not "icky".

Space & Joth covered them pretty well, thanks.

Fine.

Re: Galz痴 的 pushed him decently hard.

You didn稚 push MiX anywhere near as hard as scum!Ash pushed town!MiX in the aforementioned 1v1, but I don稚 remember MiX going to AtE the way he just did. Tired of Ash痴 stubbornness or attacks, yeah, but tired of the whole game/not invested, I don稚 think so.  In fact it was Ash that dropped a pretty strong AtE in that game that actually convinced me to vote MiX instead. My gut says this is MiX taking a page out of Ash痴 book rather than genuinely being tired of this game. He didn稚 have a wagon at all when he didn稚 hammer chairs, so he wasn稚 even really under any pressure at that point at all, so I don稚 think there痴 been enough pressure to really push MiX to that point. I mean, someone else, possibly. MiX, I don稚 think so.

Scum!you wouldn稚 have had any reason to think you would be the next wagon up if you didn稚 hammer chairs. By all accounts, Joth was the next most likely (and if people are bailing on you, he seems to still be), so I don稚 think the idea of still being at risk because you didn稚 hammer would have had much bearing on your decision making.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Isis on July 29, 2020, 01:44:14 am
zzzz
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 02:19:32 am
MiX, why are you always saying things about someone's alignment as if your reads are always 100% correct, although you were proven wrong a number of times?

Because I'm been correct and dismissed my own correct reads many more times.

yeah, but you work alone, you never work with town. You say things to discourage people for voting for other people without any argument whatsoever.

This back-and-forth was incredibly townie from LaLight.

As the night has gone on I致e kept coming back to this in my head. It痴 great to have your own individual reads, but sitting here repeating them over and over, while refusing to look/consider any other options does nothing useful for town - even if you池e 100% correct.

Town is coming from a position of a lack of knowledge. They have to figure things out. Together. As a team. Having one person on the team that refuses to cooperate or work together makes the entire project harder for everyone else.

I don稚 think this point makes MiX any more likely to be scum, but I do think it痴 a valuable lesson for being Town effectively. And I think LaLight痴 making it is extremely townie.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 29, 2020, 04:55:43 am
MiX, why are you always saying things about someone's alignment as if your reads are always 100% correct, although you were proven wrong a number of times?

Because I'm been correct and dismissed my own correct reads many more times.

yeah, but you work alone, you never work with town. You say things to discourage people for voting for other people without any argument whatsoever.

This back-and-forth was incredibly townie from LaLight.

As the night has gone on I致e kept coming back to this in my head. It痴 great to have your own individual reads, but sitting here repeating them over and over, while refusing to look/consider any other options does nothing useful for town - even if you池e 100% correct.

Town is coming from a position of a lack of knowledge. They have to figure things out. Together. As a team. Having one person on the team that refuses to cooperate or work together makes the entire project harder for everyone else.

I don稚 think this point makes MiX any more likely to be scum, but I do think it痴 a valuable lesson for being Town effectively. And I think LaLight痴 making it is extremely townie.

This post is ringing scumbells for me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 08:22:44 am
MiX, assume only 2 of your 3 are correct. What痴 your read on Robz?

And then:

Do you think EFHW, Didds, Space and LL are really all Town? I struggle to remember most of them are even in the game (especially Didds!)

Null.

EFHW seems town, although if it's anything like last time, I'm probably overlooking her. Didds is towny enough? Not the day to read her though. Space is a solid null, trying a bit too hard, but I think Space likes to try hard when they can as any alignment. LL seems town with his voting.

Isis isn't even trying to play the game.
Alright, that was hyperbole.  But a spoiler wall post completely off topic? Seriously?

I completely agree. It doesn't mean isis is scum, but it's a very good indicator.

Re: Galz痴 的 pushed him decently hard.

You didn稚 push MiX anywhere near as hard as scum!Ash pushed town!MiX in the aforementioned 1v1, but I don稚 remember MiX going to AtE the way he just did. Tired of Ash痴 stubbornness or attacks, yeah, but tired of the whole game/not invested, I don稚 think so.  In fact it was Ash that dropped a pretty strong AtE in that game that actually convinced me to vote MiX instead. My gut says this is MiX taking a page out of Ash痴 book rather than genuinely being tired of this game. He didn稚 have a wagon at all when he didn稚 hammer chairs, so he wasn稚 even really under any pressure at that point at all, so I don稚 think there痴 been enough pressure to really push MiX to that point. I mean, someone else, possibly. MiX, I don稚 think so.

The ash push is something only scum can do. Are you calling Galzria town?

And yes, had there been a wagon on me I would've probably hammered. That doesn't mean scum!me can't see the wagon coming from a distance if I'm scared of it.

Scum!you wouldn稚 have had any reason to think you would be the next wagon up if you didn稚 hammer chairs. By all accounts, Joth was the next most likely (and if people are bailing on you, he seems to still be), so I don稚 think the idea of still being at risk because you didn稚 hammer would have had much bearing on your decision making.

Given how the joth wagon's going, I would definitely not rely on it to bail me out.

This back-and-forth was incredibly townie from LaLight.

As the night has gone on I致e kept coming back to this in my head. It痴 great to have your own individual reads, but sitting here repeating them over and over, while refusing to look/consider any other options does nothing useful for town - even if you池e 100% correct.

Town is coming from a position of a lack of knowledge. They have to figure things out. Together. As a team. Having one person on the team that refuses to cooperate or work together makes the entire project harder for everyone else.

I don稚 think this point makes MiX any more likely to be scum, but I do think it痴 a valuable lesson for being Town effectively. And I think LaLight痴 making it is extremely townie.

This post is ringing scumbells for me.

Are you back to scumreading Galz?

I think it's very towny.


How long until deadline?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 08:26:02 am
I壇 be down to try a Galz wagon. We have 4 hours.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 08:27:05 am
I壇 be down to try a Galz wagon. We have 4 hours.

No. What's wrong with chairs?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 08:45:33 am
Happy birthday, yams!! I hope it has been cake-filled!


Vote Count 1.WCD

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, Galzria
Chairs (3): MiX, SpaceAnemone, isis
MiX (5): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, Joth

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020.
Less than 4 hours
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 08:51:55 am
Okay, I've listened to everyone, and I am now re-evaluating my reads. Crazy, right?

EFHW seems scummy, although she's pushing isis correctly, which is to say her vote's on that wagon for ever now.

chairs is town. Unvote

Dylan is town.

Isis is scum. Vote: Isis

Joth will have to be solved later.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 08:55:40 am
Okay, I was scanning while doing the diddscount, so now I致e reread. EFHW had a long run as scum. I think she痴 broken the streak.

Vote: Isis

If there is going to be a swerve, I think that is the best direction.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 08:57:37 am
Didds and MiX, can you be a little less obvious about being partners?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 08:58:38 am
Didds and MiX, can you be a little less obvious about being partners?

We're always partners. It's like me and chairs now. The powerful bonds of friendship and not going at each other's throats.

So is scum MiX/chairs/Didds/Galzria?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 08:59:19 am
Didds and MiX, can you be a little less obvious about being partners?

We're always partners. It's like me and chairs now. The powerful bonds of friendship and not going at each other's throats.

So is scum MiX/chairs/Didds/Galzria?

it's that, minus Galz. But also I don't call teams on day 1. Who does that?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 09:00:06 am
I have lots of good friends here, but I don't let that stop me from going at their throats.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 09:01:18 am
Didds and MiX, can you be a little less obvious about being partners?

On the other hand, I think you're doing a great job at hiding your partnership with isis.

Didds and MiX, can you be a little less obvious about being partners?

We're always partners. It's like me and chairs now. The powerful bonds of friendship and not going at each other's throats.

So is scum MiX/chairs/Didds/Galzria?

it's that, minus Galz. But also I don't call teams on day 1. Who does that?

Me?

Also that team's just a team. We don't need to be scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:02:37 am
Didds and MiX, can you be a little less obvious about being partners?

I知 partners with everyone! It痴 the town way to be.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:03:30 am
Joth, you can be our partner, too. So can everyone!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 09:05:37 am
Joth, you can be our partner, too. So can everyone!

That's not true, unfortunately. There's 3 evil people out there Didds, made to kill us! We can't possibly convert them.

Okay, but seriously, if people want to exile chairs, I'm fine with it, he's doing way less effort than he should and I'm willing to punish it. I don't feel like pushing it, I'd rather catch other scum.

Joth, who do you wanna exile?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:09:28 am
But less flippantly, when I was was doing the count, I was struck but how little isis is contributing to the conversation about scum, and how much I (and others) have been distracted as a result of her play. Could be a stylistic difference, but EFHWs clear exasperation a few posts back is notable. EFHW is our level headed calm person. For her to get to FFS range is something.

If I知 choosing between you (Joth) and Isis, and I think you both have a reasonable good chance of being scum....I値l break toward isis mostly because I know you池e game better than I know hers. And also, if you start tracking toward town, we have a proven ability to work together which could be valuable later on.

MiX didn稚 really have anything to do with that. It was actually EFHW.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:11:03 am
Joth, you can be our partner, too. So can everyone!

That's not true, unfortunately. There's 3 evil people out there Didds, made to kill us! We can't possibly convert them.


True that. But if it痴 isis and or chairs, they didn稚 want to join anyway.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 09:16:57 am
I'd like  to exile MiX and it seems like there's actually a good chance of that happening. I'd also be fine with chairs. I continue to townread Isis and I actually think she's made plenty of contributions to the game.

But let's suppose that we are about the same on chairs and Isis.  chairs is the better exile because he's already checked out and said he won't claim so we can just do it with (I think) very low risk of hitting one of our PRs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:19:05 am
I'd like  to exile MiX and it seems like there's actually a good chance of that happening. I'd also be fine with chairs. I continue to townread Isis and I actually think she's made plenty of contributions to the game.

But let's suppose that we are about the same on chairs and Isis.  chairs is the better exile because he's already checked out and said he won't claim so we can just do it with (I think) very low risk of hitting one of our PRs.

That痴 a good argument about chairs. A less good argument about isis contributions.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:20:15 am
Joth, what does scum chairs do when his wagon is getting run up?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 09:28:15 am
Joth, what does scum chairs do when his wagon is getting run up?

I have no idea, but let's look at his post:

Ooo, the claws come out. Finally.

I'm Town and I'm not changing my vote. Also, exile me if you must but don't expect me to claim or anything, I spent a few hours in the ER last night and so now I'm staying with family a few days while we see how much my new medicine jacks me up (gall stone, nothing "serious") but I don't have a phone charger so this is probably my last post of the Day.

chairs is essentially claiming a V/LA for real-life reasons. If it's true that he was in the ER and doesn't have a phone charger, his alignment either way doesn't change those facts. So if he's scum in that situation, his play is just to make the post he made and hope for the best. If he's town, same thing. The only thing that changes is there's a slightly higher likelihood that scum claims a PR here, just for the counterclaim. But I think there's plenty of good reason not to do that, especially given there's a chance people back off.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 09:43:18 am
Here's a Space Count:

Isis (3): EFHW, MiX, WestCoastDidds
jotheonah (3): Chairs, Swowl, Galzria
MiX (5): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah
Chairs (2): SpaceAnemone, Isis

I feel like jumping to an Isis wagon was great back when I did it, as a protest over her flooding the thread with junk and diluting the game, but for people to jump on now does seem like a last-ditch attempt to steer away from existing wagons, so I feel like I should be moving to MiX or Joth. I haven't re-read the latter, so that's next up for me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:45:30 am
Hhmmm....yeah, I see that post as pretty towny, although I have to admit that I skimmed it the first time and missed the gall stone. (Ouch, chairs! Those are the reasons I am without a gall bladder now!) I知 not sure how I think scum chairs would respond, but maybe not so laid back?

I think you池e right that if we池e choosing to hammer town, he痴 a good one since he痴 probably not one of our heroes, but I知 not sure we need to hammer town?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 09:49:46 am

I feel like jumping to an Isis wagon was great back when I did it, as a protest over her flooding the thread with junk and diluting the game, but for people to jump on now does seem like a last-ditch attempt to steer away from existing wagons, so I feel like I should be moving to MiX or Joth. I haven't re-read the latter, so that's next up for me.

If there is a protest over junk, it seems like the giant spoiler text quote would merit renewed ire.

I値l be interested on your take on Joth. I could move back there (and definitely would over MiX, and maybe over chairs) but wanted to see what the consensus was on isis.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 09:56:45 am
If there is a protest over junk, it seems like the giant spoiler text quote would merit renewed ire.

She clearly didn't know it was banned, and when Galz responded to her question about it, he wasn't exactly forthcoming with info about it being not something to do in Mafia games. I have that uncomfortable sort of feeling where I'm not sure we're being inclusive enough to the outsider while they learn how people act in here.
 
I値l be interested on your take on Joth. I could move back there (and definitely would over MiX, and maybe over chairs) but wanted to see what the consensus was on isis.

I don't see MiX as townie, especially with the amount of noise he's making about not liking hammers. It seems more like an identity he's trying to convince himself to have taken on, rather than a genuine thing he's self-conscious about.

I'm about to be stuck in a conference call for 60-90 mins, and can't afford to be looking at the forum during that, but I should be free in plenty of time to check back in and do a bit more reading before deadline :-)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 10:10:14 am
Space, Isis is NOT an outsider. Isis (as pops) moderated the very first mafia game on this forum, in fact.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 10:13:01 am
Space, Isis is NOT an outsider. Isis (as pops) moderated the very first mafia game on this forum, in fact.

Isis also plays mostly elsewhere, so her meta and playstyle is significantly different.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 10:14:44 am
I think we need to way the fact that chairs is less likely to be a town PR (because of no claim) against the fact he is also less likely to be scum (for the same reason). That痴 why I知 not super thrilled about his exile. It feels very uninspired and 都afe in the not actually good for town sort of way.

MiX is more likely to be scum, and also has more interactions, and has proven very very difficult to exile. And if MiX does flip scum, we are well on our way, because probably partners refused to bus.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 10:15:22 am
*weigh the fact, dear lord you would not know I知 a professional writer of words
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 10:17:03 am

I have that uncomfortable sort of feeling where I'm not sure we're being inclusive enough to the outsider while they learn how people act in here.

Oh, this kills me and is what I most want to avoid.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 10:18:02 am
*weigh the fact, dear lord you would not know I知 a professional writer of words

Ha! Same! Yet I can稚 seem to type...go figure
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 10:29:51 am
Got my hands on a charger. Any questions for me?

I could vote mix. Don't want to risk a hammer without a chance for folks to talk to me
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 10:36:45 am
This is probably a useless question, but  do you think as scum you would have gone for a fake claim?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 10:56:06 am
I think it depends which scum PR I was - if I was the strongman, absolutely. If I was uhhhh the framer (they have a framer right?) than maybe not.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 10:58:54 am
fyi, catching up on over night posts - have a work meeting 11-12, but hopefully it'll end on time and I can contribute some before DL.

(in the meanwhile, I'm still OK with my MiX vote, if for some reason I can't)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 29, 2020, 10:59:10 am
Vote Count 1.4

Isis (3): EFHW, MiX, WestCoastDidds
jotheonah (3): chairs, Swowl, Galzria
MiX (5): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah
chairs (2): SpaceAnemone, Isis

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020. That is in ~1.5 hours.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 11:01:43 am
These wagons are the best. Me, and my (prior) top 3 scumreads. And people say being stubborn's bad, I'll never understand.

I'm around for 1 hour, but not deadline per say. Willing to exile any current wagon.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 11:03:49 am
These wagons are the best. Me, and my (prior) top 3 scumreads. And people say being stubborn's bad, I'll never understand.

I'm around for 1 hour, but not deadline per say. Willing to exile any current wagon.

Surely not any current  wagons
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 11:04:48 am
I assume if we don't reach consensus we no exile?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 11:05:53 am
These wagons are the best. Me, and my (prior) top 3 scumreads. And people say being stubborn's bad, I'll never understand.

I'm around for 1 hour, but not deadline per say. Willing to exile any current wagon.

Surely not any current  wagons

I guess not...

I assume if we don't reach consensus we no exile?

There's no plurality, right?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 11:11:15 am
I would move my vote to get an exile but MiX is still leading wagon. Chairs, please move there.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 11:16:54 am
Vote: Joth in the interest of consolidation

I致e got some work, but should be around-ish
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 11:18:19 am
Vote: Joth in the interest of consolidation

I致e got some work, but should be around-ish

I honestly 100% do not understand how you are finding me scummier than MiX right now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 11:20:11 am
Vote: Joth in the interest of consolidation

I致e got some work, but should be around-ish

I honestly 100% do not understand how you are finding me scummier than MiX right now.

I think scum mix jumps around. Stubborn mix isn稚 scummy to me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 11:20:36 am
Vote: Joth in the interest of consolidation

I致e got some work, but should be around-ish

I honestly 100% do not understand how you are finding me scummier than MiX right now.

Because you are. Is it impossible to find you scummier than me?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 11:24:04 am
Vote: Joth in the interest of consolidation

I致e got some work, but should be around-ish

I honestly 100% do not understand how you are finding me scummier than MiX right now.

Because you are. Is it impossible to find you scummier than me?

No, but I expect better from Didds in particular.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 11:30:56 am
Vote: mix

That's X-1 I think?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 11:34:21 am
Vote: mix

That's X-1 I think?

We're back, ladies and gentlemen!

What's your read on me?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 11:39:59 am
MiX, you've got to move your vote. at least make it so that EFHW or Space or whomever has a choice
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 11:45:04 am
Space, Isis is NOT an outsider. Isis (as pops) moderated the very first mafia game on this forum, in fact.

Isis also plays mostly elsewhere, so her meta and playstyle is significantly different.

Yes, I mean she's an outsider in the sense of not being very well aware of the way people behave here nowadays, even if she was here in the early days. I feel like most people mellow after a few games, and consider the people they're playing with here as people and as friends. I don't feel like she has a particularly personal connection with any of us yet. Compare that to how MiX and Didds are now, compared to how much everyone just bristled badly at the way MiX was in his first game here.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 11:47:38 am
I think that is a really good point, Space
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 11:49:03 am
MiX, you've got to move your vote. at least make it so that EFHW or Space or whomever has a choice

All other wagons are at 2 votes, why should I move?

Vote: joth, whatever.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 11:50:35 am
My reread of Joth is mixed. There are several posts that I just flat-out disagree with that I would have responded to at the time but there was too much else to catch up with in my available playing time. He's consistently pushed MiX as scum, while doing a u-turn on Swowl quite hard around #440-#450. I feel like Swowl has been consistently townie, so the people scumreading him confuse me. Joth also goes after MiX for the neglected hammer opportunity, which was definitely in tune with what I was thinking about MiX after all his certainty of the scumteam.

Anyway, not only is MiX currently the leading wagon, he also seems the scummier of the {Joth,MiX} pair too.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 11:52:27 am
I have around 3 minutes in thread.

I'm a VT.

I cannot be exiled as scum this early. I would've played defensively.

Your move, town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 11:53:53 am
I guess what I mean is intent to hammer, assuming my VC is right.

PPE: 1. Huh.. anyone townie online and have comments on that claim?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 11:55:13 am
I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on July 29, 2020, 11:55:18 am
It seems correct.

Who here would've hammered chairs, where they in my situation?

The answer is: "maybe, if I'm scum".
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:00:06 pm
I'm here. While I do think scum claims a PR here generally, MiX failing to do so isn't quite so town indicative, given the reaction to chairs not claiming a PR.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on July 29, 2020, 12:00:59 pm
The claim gives me some pause, but I like MiX better than me here. I'd also move to chairs.

The fact is, second-guessing my scumread on MiX is not uncommon for me, but that doesn't make it wrong, and if we let him go now and it turns out he is scum... that's gonna be a real pain. And with a framer floating around we can't even trust an investigative result. So let's just do the thing.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 12:02:05 pm
I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 29, 2020, 12:04:21 pm
Vote Count 1.5

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, WestCoastDidds, MiX
MiX (6): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah, chairs {X-1}
chairs (2): SpaceAnemone, Isis

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 12:30PM FT on Wednesday, July 29th, 2020. That is in 26 minutes.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 12:11:05 pm
Here now, meeting ran a little long, worried I won't have much time to catch up.

So MiX has claimed VT. Hmmm... I get the reasons to doubt, but here's where WIFOM always gets to me; i.e.
scum would claim a role here
so VT claim means not scum
 so VT claim is good claim for scum...
etc.

I just didn't get a sense of joth being scum, frankly. If these are the two wagons, I still prefer MiX for un-MiX like play.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:11:37 pm
Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:12:32 pm
Here now, meeting ran a little long, worried I won't have much time to catch up.

So MiX has claimed VT. Hmmm... I get the reasons to doubt, but here's where WIFOM always gets to me; i.e.
scum would claim a role here
so VT claim means not scum
so VT claim is good claim for scum...
etc.

I just didn't get a sense of joth being scum, frankly. If these are the two wagons, I still prefer MiX for un-MiX like play.

Nah, I think scum claims a PR, at the very least in hopes of getting a counterclaim that will help direct their kills
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 12:13:01 pm
I could still go back to chairs. But not sure that happens in 20 minutes.

Didds, why do you think MiX is town?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:13:07 pm
Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?

Scummy. If MiX IS town the only people who know this clearly are scum. You are trying to get out in front of something you know to be a mis-exile?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 12:13:56 pm
Here now, meeting ran a little long, worried I won't have much time to catch up.

So MiX has claimed VT. Hmmm... I get the reasons to doubt, but here's where WIFOM always gets to me; i.e.
scum would claim a role here
so VT claim means not scum
so VT claim is good claim for scum...
etc.

I just didn't get a sense of joth being scum, frankly. If these are the two wagons, I still prefer MiX for un-MiX like play.

Nah, I think scum claims a PR, at the very least in hopes of getting a counterclaim that will help direct their kills

Problem here is CC isn't rock solid, since there can be clone heroes.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:14:06 pm
MiX is active. I think we are doing ourselves a disservice to get rid of the active folks. 

If we have to choose between MiX and chairs, then Vote: Chairs

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:14:36 pm
Also, if Didds is not going to vote for MiX no matter what, I'm not sure we can even get a lynch.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:15:43 pm
If I go to chairs, and prsumably joth would go to chairs, we steal need... 2 more?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 12:16:16 pm
I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?

I do. Consider what could have happened when the Chairs exile didn't go through. People were moving their votes, re-evaluating, etc. From scum!Joth's position, MiX not hammering is an easy sell argument that lets Joth try to prevent the "next up" wagon from landing on him or a scum partner.

Now, in fairness to Joth, his town!self would also push MiX extra hard here, and would see MiX's not hammering and the whole kerfuffle as confirmation bias.

I guess to more clearly answer your question, I think that Joth, as either alignment, does exactly what he did when Chair's exile didn't happen. In considering if he's scum, I don't think he would've done things any differently than he did.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 12:16:30 pm
Vote: joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:16:53 pm
Galz, would you move to chairs to avoid No Exile?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:17:04 pm
Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?

Scummy. If MiX IS town the only people who know this clearly are scum. You are trying to get out in front of something you know to be a mis-exile?

"Clearly" is not the same as "absolutely certain". I am talking about my sense of things. But overall, yeah, I disagree.  Resigning ourselves to losing a town person seems far scummier than trying to find scum. 
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:18:08 pm
Vote: Chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:18:33 pm
I could still go back to chairs. But not sure that happens in 20 minutes.

Didds, why do you think MiX is town?

I think if he is scum, he'd be playing much more defensively. He might have hemmed and hawed, but I don't think he wouldn't have avoided a hammer.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:19:10 pm
I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?

Wait, Space, what are you doing? You prefer MiX to joth but you're voting for chairs? We could have enough for MiX if you switched there.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 12:21:30 pm
Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?

Scummy. If MiX IS town the only people who know this clearly are scum. You are trying to get out in front of something you know to be a mis-exile?

This post is scummy. I agree with Didds. And while in a world of technicalities you are correct, the fact is town players can have very clear town reads on other players. There is nothing wrong with a player expressing a hard town read on somebody that is on the chopping block. Further, why would scum bother? To get credit for calling a town flip? When has a town (as a whole) gone "wow, that was super townie of them to be so against that town exile!"?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 12:21:38 pm
I can go back to mix
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:21:48 pm
I think this is right?

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, , scolapasta, jotheonah, 
chairs (4): SpaceAnemone, Isis, WCD, Robz888
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 12:22:29 pm
I would even self hammer if it were absolutely necessary for a flip but I would reeeeaaalllly like to not
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 12:23:03 pm
I do. Consider what could have happened when the Chairs exile didn't go through. People were moving their votes, re-evaluating, etc. From scum!Joth's position, MiX not hammering is an easy sell argument that lets Joth try to prevent the "next up" wagon from landing on him or a scum partner.

Okay, so maybe there's an argument for him not being super-townie. My other thinking here is that if MiX is telling the truth, then the scumslip argument from MiX on Joth is still out there. And I'm not sure what to make of a scum!MiX claiming VT instead of a PR.

PPE too many: sorry, so work stuff keeps interrupting me!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 12:23:49 pm
Galz, would you move to chairs to avoid No Exile?

I would move Chairs to avoid a no-exile. I think he's more likely to be scum than MiX is. Joth is still the best choice.

As end of day is approaching, I'll throw this out there:

I think that both you, Robz, and Joth are scum. I read both Chairs and MiX as being mis-exiles waiting to happen.

However, yes, I would still exile Chairs over No-Exile.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:24:25 pm
Ugh. This sucks.

MiX is clearly town. Can't we do better?

Scummy. If MiX IS town the only people who know this clearly are scum. You are trying to get out in front of something you know to be a mis-exile?

This post is scummy. I agree with Didds. And while in a world of technicalities you are correct, the fact is town players can have very clear town reads on other players. There is nothing wrong with a player expressing a hard town read on somebody that is on the chopping block. Further, why would scum bother? To get credit for calling a town flip? When has a town (as a whole) gone "wow, that was super townie of them to be so against that town exile!"?

I think it's in scum's nature to make post's like this, expecting credit because that's what makes sense to them.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:25:12 pm
Are there enough people who would switch to Joth?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 12:25:22 pm
I think this is right?

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, , scolapasta, jotheonah, 
chairs (4): SpaceAnemone, Isis, WCD, Robz888

Yes, that's what I just got, too.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 12:25:34 pm
Space, Didds, if you two can agree on joth or mix we can have a flip here of your choice. Even if Galz and I both move to me that's only six

PPE robz is here so I guess there's more coalition flexibility but he's on me so still have the this only makes six problem
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2020, 12:25:59 pm
Sup all?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:26:02 pm
Galz, would you move to chairs to avoid No Exile?

I would move Chairs to avoid a no-exile. I think he's more likely to be scum than MiX is. Joth is still the best choice.

As end of day is approaching, I'll throw this out there:

I think that both you, Robz, and Joth are scum. I read both Chairs and MiX as being mis-exiles waiting to happen.

However, yes, I would still exile Chairs over No-Exile.

I don't believe you could actually think, actually have the confidence to believe, me and joth are scum together and you got us already.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 12:26:10 pm
Are there enough people who would switch to Joth?

There are enough people online to make any of the exiles go through... but where the votes will land in the next 5 minutes... that's an entirely different question!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 12:26:16 pm
Are there enough people who would switch to Joth?

At this point it's getting a bit tight, but we seem to have run up Chairs and MiX already.

PPE more
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:26:52 pm
Space, I will vote for Chairs or Joth.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 29, 2020, 12:26:59 pm
Blah we are out of time
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 12:27:17 pm
Vote: Joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 12:27:21 pm
Galz, would you move to chairs to avoid No Exile?

I would move Chairs to avoid a no-exile. I think he's more likely to be scum than MiX is. Joth is still the best choice.

As end of day is approaching, I'll throw this out there:

I think that both you, Robz, and Joth are scum. I read both Chairs and MiX as being mis-exiles waiting to happen.

However, yes, I would still exile Chairs over No-Exile.

I don't believe you could actually think, actually have the confidence to believe, me and joth are scum together and you got us already.

"Got you"? No. Far from it. But you're easily my top two scum reads and if we "got" Joth today, I would definitely be pushing for you tomorrow.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 12:27:25 pm
Of these I'm at joth > mix >>>> myself >>> no exile
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:27:34 pm
Vote: Joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 12:27:37 pm
I hate panicky deadlines :-(
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:28:07 pm
I hate panicky deadlines :-(

Me, too!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: chairs on July 29, 2020, 12:28:11 pm
Vote: Jotheonah
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2020, 12:28:35 pm
Vote Joth y誕ll! Cmon! 1 minute!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 12:28:53 pm
Vote Joth y誕ll! Cmon! 1 minute!

Good morning sunshine bear. lol
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2020, 12:29:12 pm
Vote Joth y誕ll! Cmon! 1 minute!

Good morning sunshine bear. lol

Dude so early for me lol
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:29:17 pm
Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (6): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs, Space, WCD
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, , scolapasta, jotheonah,
chairs (2):  Isis, , Robz888
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:29:34 pm
Vote Joth y誕ll! Cmon! 1 minute!

Good morning sunshine bear. lol

Love this
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2020, 12:29:36 pm
Someone hammer!!!!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 12:29:53 pm
Vote: joth
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:30:12 pm
phew
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 29, 2020, 12:30:21 pm
Space Count:

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (6): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, Chairs, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, scolapasta, jotheonah
Chairs (2): Isis, Robz888

PPE Scola's vote, which I guess is a hammer?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on July 29, 2020, 12:30:26 pm
Vote: joth

7 seconds? Might be up there as one of the closest.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 12:30:35 pm
Unlike MiX, I'll go ahead and hammer.

Let's not do this end of day crap again, ok?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2020, 12:30:40 pm
Wazoooo with 7 seconds to spare.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:31:30 pm
Let's not do this end of day crap again, ok?

hahahahahaha

We are obviously THE WORST
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 12:31:56 pm
Wazoooo with 7 seconds to spare.

Wow, I did not realize that! Add another to my f.ds mafia firsts...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Swowl on July 29, 2020, 12:32:06 pm
I I知 gonna go get a coffee.
Hope he痴 skum.

Bummer if you池e not though Joth.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:32:22 pm
Robz not taking that hammer is huh
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: scolapasta on July 29, 2020, 12:33:00 pm
I I知 gonna go get a coffee.
Hope he痴 skum.

Bummer if you池e not though Joth.

Yeah, if I mis-hammered, I owe you a beer in the After Times.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on July 29, 2020, 12:33:23 pm
please please please yams....let me do the dance
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on July 29, 2020, 12:33:48 pm
Vote Count 1.FINAL

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (7): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta
MiX (3): Dylan32, LaLight, jotheonah
chairs (2): Isis, Robz888

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it took 7 to exile.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on July 29, 2020, 12:37:56 pm
The assembled Avengers and others began to discuss, which, like always, quickly turned to arguing.

These guys will never make a team... Nick Fury thought.

Eventually, the crowd decided to exile MiX, chairs, or Joth. Arguments went back and forth, bringing both chairs and MiX close to exile, but the hammer dropped on Joth. They took him, bound him with string cords, and sent him away in one of the escape pods.

Jotheonah has been exiled! He was a Bystander!

Night 1 begins now. Actions are due 36 hours from now (at 12:30 AM FT on July 31, 2020). Night will end sometime between then and 12:30AM FT on Friday, July 31.

Thread Locked!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 1)
Post by: mail-mi on July 31, 2020, 01:12:03 am
On mobile, flavor later.

WestCoastDidds has died! She was Groot!

Day 2 start, thread unlocked. Day 2 will end at 1:00 AM FT on Friday, Aug 7.

Vote count later if I have time, I leave on vacation tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 31, 2020, 07:15:49 am
Aw, not good :-( Did Didds breadcrumb or something?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 31, 2020, 07:16:15 am
Also, 1am forum time as a deadline is not a time of day I can be online, but that 7-seconds-to-deadline exile was hopefully enough excitement for one game.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 07:49:20 am
Vote: MiX

Vote: Isis
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 31, 2020, 08:38:00 am
Robz not taking that hammer is huh
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 31, 2020, 08:39:18 am
Robz not taking that hammer is huh
Wondering what happened there.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2020, 08:40:36 am
Vote: mix

Seems straightforward to me
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 09:03:49 am
Vote: mix

Seems straightforward to me

Why am I scum?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on July 31, 2020, 11:18:03 am
Man, from the excitement of the last minute (second!) hammer to finding out Joth was town. Sorry all. Please, let's not do that again.

I'll likely going back to voting one of MiX or chairs. But want to review that end of day 1 for any shenanigans first.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 11:22:00 am
Man, from the excitement of the last minute (second!) hammer to finding out Joth was town. Sorry all. Please, let's not do that again.

I'll likely going back to voting one of MiX or chairs. But want to review that end of day 1 for any shenanigans first.

Why are you apologizing? You did nothing wrong. Unless, of course, you have the inherent guilt of knowing who's town and pushing them...

Who are you scumreading, just from feels?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2020, 11:25:32 am
You're scum because we couldn't hammer you during the madness. Except then I'm also scum and I know that's not true so...

Guess I'm going to be rereading D1 ugh
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2020, 11:25:47 am
Unvote
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 11:26:47 am
You're scum because we couldn't hammer you during the madness. Except then I'm also scum and I know that's not true so...

Guess I'm going to be rereading D1 ugh

Yeah that's what I thought, and that's what I was going to say. You of all people should know I can be town. Thus, the scum that was voted up at the end of D1 is Isis. Simple.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2020, 11:33:03 am
I don't know about that. I'm going to have to ISO Isis I guess. I'm moving today but that's actually going to benefit me from the perspective of not being in a distracting environment, once I'm done.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 01:04:56 pm
Robz not taking that hammer is huh
Wondering what happened there.

I was convinced Joth was a town PR; for Day 1, he was fighting and working much harder than usual, or at least seemed like that to me. I really, really didn't want to exile him, and was waffling on whether it was better to No Exile.

Glad I was wrong about him being a PR, though I was not wrong about him being town!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 01:05:34 pm
Man, from the excitement of the last minute (second!) hammer to finding out Joth was town. Sorry all. Please, let's not do that again.

I'll likely going back to voting one of MiX or chairs. But want to review that end of day 1 for any shenanigans first.

Why? Why confine yourself to those?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 01:08:53 pm
If MiX or chairs ARE scum, then their partners surely did a lot of work to save them there and probably it's possible to figure out whose responsible. Unfortunately we don't actually know, and it also seems like it could have just been the case that scum were holding back, not needing to commit to any of those three wagons since they were all town, and THAT's why it was so hard to get any of the exiles through.

That almost feels instinctively like it might be the case.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 01:10:36 pm
I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?

On the other hand, this post really stuck out to me, because as someone who was tying to stop the Joth exile it was frustrating that here was a potential non-Joth vote and yet you didn't vote for MiX and instead went for Joth. Why? And why did you need to check with Galz about it?

Vote: Space
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on July 31, 2020, 01:40:26 pm
Man, from the excitement of the last minute (second!) hammer to finding out Joth was town. Sorry all. Please, let's not do that again.

I'll likely going back to voting one of MiX or chairs. But want to review that end of day 1 for any shenanigans first.

Why are you apologizing? You did nothing wrong. Unless, of course, you have the inherent guilt of knowing who's town and pushing them...

You'd understand if you weren't afraid to hammer. :)

Who are you scumreading, just from feels?

Why? Why confine yourself to those?

Still scumreading MiX and/or chairs, but not so strongly that I don't want to reread and get a better feel on others.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 01:42:43 pm
Oh.

Thank you for hammering joth, or I would be doing nothing productive today.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 01:49:18 pm
Vote: Robz

I can't remember a time where he hasn't been trying to control the thread. Between his case on Swowl, defense of joth and now voting Space, it seems Robz is on top of everything that is happening, and always comes out of it better than he should.

Who's been talking about him anyway?

This also works really well in a scum!chairs world, as Robz also defended him a bunch.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 02:00:54 pm
Vote: Robz

I can't remember a time where he hasn't been trying to control the thread. Between his case on Swowl, defense of joth and now voting Space, it seems Robz is on top of everything that is happening, and always comes out of it better than he should.

Who's been talking about him anyway?

This also works really well in a scum!chairs world, as Robz also defended him a bunch.

I'm not trying to control the thread, I am trying to scumhunt, versus what you are doing, which is just trying to stay alive at all costs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 02:07:47 pm
I mean this is truly ridiculous. I pushed one case, I CORRECTLY defended someone else, and I subject Space to some minimum amount of scrutiny and that makes me controlling scum?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 02:08:35 pm
I mean this is truly ridiculous. I pushed one case, I CORRECTLY defended someone else, and I subject Space to some minimum amount of scrutiny and that makes me controlling scum?

No.

Vote: Isis
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on July 31, 2020, 02:10:48 pm
I mean this is truly ridiculous. I pushed one case, I CORRECTLY defended someone else, and I subject Space to some minimum amount of scrutiny and that makes me controlling scum?

No.

Vote: Isis

See, this is more like the MiX I'm used to. SO why was D1 MiX so different?

(that said, I'm curious about your Robz hypothesis, will add him to my reread list for sure)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 02:12:04 pm
D1 MiX's always different. Also, I think I set my expectations on what joth would do completely offtrack, so the flag to move my vote was never set.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 31, 2020, 02:22:14 pm
I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?

On the other hand, this post really stuck out to me, because as someone who was tying to stop the Joth exile it was frustrating that here was a potential non-Joth vote and yet you didn't vote for MiX and instead went for Joth. Why? And why did you need to check with Galz about it?

Vote: Space

I mean, MiX just claimed VT and Galz said we should rethink and move to Joth, so continuing to a hammer at that point with new info without discussing it at least briefly in the thread seemed reckless.

I didn't/don't have a strong townread on Galz, but if he's scum trying to protect a buddy, that question may not be the thing he wants to answer at that point, so it seemed interesting to see what he'd say.

As for why Joth, it was Chairs who set the wagon swinging that way, and then WCD (whom I townread) saying she wouldn't exile MiX, so you asking why Joth instead of MiX is inaccurate because the choice for who we could pursue at that point Joth or Chairs, given who was around and most likely to put down votes in time.

PPE 3
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on July 31, 2020, 02:51:28 pm
I'm not sold on Isis. Who's our surprise quiet person? Will have to check post counts
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 02:55:49 pm
I don't believe MiX is scum, and I think we should be exiling Joth instead.

I definitely didn't find Joth as scummy as MiX in my re-read just now.

Do you feel sure that scum!Joth would go after MiX as much as he did for the failed Chairs-hammer, even though MiX was already heavily scumreading Joth?

On the other hand, this post really stuck out to me, because as someone who was tying to stop the Joth exile it was frustrating that here was a potential non-Joth vote and yet you didn't vote for MiX and instead went for Joth. Why? And why did you need to check with Galz about it?

Vote: Space

I mean, MiX just claimed VT and Galz said we should rethink and move to Joth, so continuing to a hammer at that point with new info without discussing it at least briefly in the thread seemed reckless.

I didn't/don't have a strong townread on Galz, but if he's scum trying to protect a buddy, that question may not be the thing he wants to answer at that point, so it seemed interesting to see what he'd say.

As for why Joth, it was Chairs who set the wagon swinging that way, and then WCD (whom I townread) saying she wouldn't exile MiX, so you asking why Joth instead of MiX is inaccurate because the choice for who we could pursue at that point Joth or Chairs, given who was around and most likely to put down votes in time.

PPE 3

Well then why Joth over chairs? That doesn't make sense either. And I still don't see why you were seeking Galz's permission, especially if you're not townreading him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 31, 2020, 02:57:21 pm
I'm not sold on Isis. Who's our surprise quiet person? Will have to check post counts

Player post counts, from my VC script:
   123 MiX
   87 jotheonah
   76 Isis
   69 WestCoastDidds
   66 Robz888
   60 Galzria
   43 scolapasta
   39 Swowl
   34 SpaceAnemone
   32 Chairs
   25 EFHW
   22 Dylan32
   12 LaLight

That should count posts only since the start of the game.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 31, 2020, 03:01:10 pm
Well then why Joth over chairs? That doesn't make sense either. And I still don't see why you were seeking Galz's permission, especially if you're not townreading him.

Why do you keep saying I was asking for Galz's permission?? I asked the thread at large whether anyone was around and wanted to comment. Galz answered, so I asked him a question that I thought I could learn something from.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 03:05:25 pm

WestCoastDidds has died! She was Groot!

I don't know what that is, but I hope it isn't too helpful to town, eh
Groot
We are Groot: Target a player, that player will be protected from any non-strongman kills.

Phooey
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 03:06:55 pm
Well then why Joth over chairs? That doesn't make sense either. And I still don't see why you were seeking Galz's permission, especially if you're not townreading him.

Why do you keep saying I was asking for Galz's permission?? I asked the thread at large whether anyone was around and wanted to comment. Galz answered, so I asked him a question that I thought I could learn something from.

We could have lynched someone other than Joth at that point, but your baffling decision to defer to Galz預 not-super-townie read to you, if I understand you correctly容ssentially ended that.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 03:10:14 pm
I think MiX might be openwolfing at this point.  Scumreading me for being a viable exile day 1 rather than townreading me for a lack of participation in the day 1 exile is fitting evidence to his theories instead of fitting his theories to the evidence and it's a pretty trademark scum feature.

His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

I wrote "stark" pattern but decided I didn't want anyone to imagine I was making crumbs lol
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 03:14:02 pm
#727 seems like a rather fake response to night since whether Didds crumbed anything is super irrelevant.  I could maybe get onboard with Space voting.  But like, MiX is openwolfing more flagrantly
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 03:16:06 pm
If MiX or chairs ARE scum, then their partners surely did a lot of work to save them there and probably it's possible to figure out whose responsible. Unfortunately we don't actually know, and it also seems like it could have just been the case that scum were holding back, not needing to commit to any of those three wagons since they were all town, and THAT's why it was so hard to get any of the exiles through.

That almost feels instinctively like it might be the case.
MiX's partner MiX did a lot of work to save MiX while also doing MiX's best to make it look like MiX was not aligned with MiX.

He's kind of a force of nature, it seems like it should never be mysterious for him to survive a day phase
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: LaLight on July 31, 2020, 03:19:47 pm
I am a little bit behind and I am sorry about that. I have surprisingly shitload of work, so I will probably be replacing soon, sorry about that.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 31, 2020, 03:20:45 pm
Man, it doesn't feel like I've posted that little. I guess avoiding the off-topic convos sort of hurts that stat.

Openwolfing is kind of what MiX's normal play looks like regardless of alignment.  But like Isis is saying, there's a strong narrative for scum!MiX D1, and so I am standing by that read for now.

Vote: MiX

ppe 2
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 03:23:54 pm
I've actually never heard the term "openwolfing," or if I have I've forgotten it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 03:26:09 pm
His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

This is a cute theory but I'm so disinclined to believe we manage to make two scum are top wagons for Day 1. I think it's decently likely one is scum and one is not, but also decently likely neither is scum, and distantly unlikely that both are scum.

Well, even beyond just mathematically, I mean.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 31, 2020, 03:27:32 pm
I've actually never heard the term "openwolfing," or if I have I've forgotten it.

I first heard about it from the championship thread this year from one of the games Cayvie was in. They linked to an article describing it. Basically, it's a strategy for scum to just talk about everything, control the conversations and just be so overt that town struggles to talk without you being part of it.  For people on the outside it can be obvious that you're scum, but it can be hard to separate yourself from the conversations enough to see it as a player. If I'm understanding it correctly anyway.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 31, 2020, 03:28:18 pm
His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

This is a cute theory but I'm so disinclined to believe we manage to make two scum are top wagons for Day 1. I think it's decently likely one is scum and one is not, but also decently likely neither is scum, and distantly unlikely that both are scum.

Well, even beyond just mathematically, I mean.

That's fair, but like I laid out D1, the narrative for scum!MiX's behavior holds whether chairs is scum or not.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 03:32:13 pm
I've actually never heard the term "openwolfing," or if I have I've forgotten it.

I first heard about it from the championship thread this year from one of the games Cayvie was in. They linked to an article describing it. Basically, it's a strategy for scum to just talk about everything, control the conversations and just be so overt that town struggles to talk without you being part of it.  For people on the outside it can be obvious that you're scum, but it can be hard to separate yourself from the conversations enough to see it as a player. If I'm understanding it correctly anyway.

Interesting. Well, yeah, that does fit MiX's play.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 03:33:09 pm
My recollection for our mafia games here is what we mostly see is the opposite of openwolfing耀cum lurking in the background while town leads itself awry.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 03:38:11 pm
I don't open wolf. I don't have the guts to do that as scum. I open town instead.

You can check my scum games, I'm usually more lurky and with less hot takes than usual.

His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

This is a cute theory but I'm so disinclined to believe we manage to make two scum are top wagons for Day 1. I think it's decently likely one is scum and one is not, but also decently likely neither is scum, and distantly unlikely that both are scum.

Well, even beyond just mathematically, I mean.

It's very much possible, and if this is the case it would definitely be me/chairs more than isis/someone else.

I think MiX might be openwolfing at this point.  Scumreading me for being a viable exile day 1 rather than townreading me for a lack of participation in the day 1 exile is fitting evidence to his theories instead of fitting his theories to the evidence and it's a pretty trademark scum feature.

His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

I wrote "stark" pattern but decided I didn't want anyone to imagine I was making crumbs lol

If you think me and chairs are partners, exile chairs. I don't see why this is a problem. I've been incredibly consistent with my read on chairs: not as scummy as other people. And it stays true.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on July 31, 2020, 04:09:24 pm
I don't open wolf. I don't have the guts to do that as scum. I open town instead.

You can check my scum games, I'm usually more lurky and with less hot takes than usual.

His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

This is a cute theory but I'm so disinclined to believe we manage to make two scum are top wagons for Day 1. I think it's decently likely one is scum and one is not, but also decently likely neither is scum, and distantly unlikely that both are scum.

Well, even beyond just mathematically, I mean.

It's very much possible, and if this is the case it would definitely be me/chairs more than isis/someone else.

I think MiX might be openwolfing at this point.  Scumreading me for being a viable exile day 1 rather than townreading me for a lack of participation in the day 1 exile is fitting evidence to his theories instead of fitting his theories to the evidence and it's a pretty trademark scum feature.

His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

I wrote "stark" pattern but decided I didn't want anyone to imagine I was making crumbs lol

If you think me and chairs are partners, exile chairs. I don't see why this is a problem. I've been incredibly consistent with my read on chairs: not as scummy as other people. And it stays true.

Why chairs instead of you, though? I mean I guess if you're partners, it doesn't really matter. But I think it's also possible it's just one of you.

My D1 scum reads (at different times) were chairs, MiX, and Isis.

MiX is starting to feel more like what I'm used to from town!MiX*. Isis has started added real content, so that's good. Chairs hasn't posted much (any?) since they were X-1. Not sure how to interpret that.

* I'm always wary of this though, especially with MiX. I mean scum!Mix wants to play like town!Mix, no?

Will *try* to find some time to do a reread of D1 for Robz and anything else that jumps out this weekend. (and this is where I'll grumble at Isis for all the fluff posts!)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 31, 2020, 04:13:44 pm
I don't open wolf. I don't have the guts to do that as scum. I open town instead.

You can check my scum games, I'm usually more lurky and with less hot takes than usual.

His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

This is a cute theory but I'm so disinclined to believe we manage to make two scum are top wagons for Day 1. I think it's decently likely one is scum and one is not, but also decently likely neither is scum, and distantly unlikely that both are scum.

Well, even beyond just mathematically, I mean.

It's very much possible, and if this is the case it would definitely be me/chairs more than isis/someone else.

I think MiX might be openwolfing at this point.  Scumreading me for being a viable exile day 1 rather than townreading me for a lack of participation in the day 1 exile is fitting evidence to his theories instead of fitting his theories to the evidence and it's a pretty trademark scum feature.

His treatment of chairs remains super super weird and it would be bizarre that town!MiX is not more interested in chairs right now.

I think they are partners and he posited a pool of town town bus.

I'm usually cautious about preflip associative theories but there's such a clear pattern here.

I wrote "stark" pattern but decided I didn't want anyone to imagine I was making crumbs lol

If you think me and chairs are partners, exile chairs. I don't see why this is a problem. I've been incredibly consistent with my read on chairs: not as scummy as other people. And it stays true.

Why chairs instead of you, though? I mean I guess if you're partners, it doesn't really matter. But I think it's also possible it's just one of you.

My D1 scum reads (at different times) were chairs, MiX, and Isis.

MiX is starting to feel more like what I'm used to from town!MiX*. Isis has started added real content, so that's good. Chairs hasn't posted much (any?) since they were X-1. Not sure how to interpret that.

* I'm always wary of this though, especially with MiX. I mean scum!Mix wants to play like town!Mix, no?

Will *try* to find some time to do a reread of D1 for Robz and anything else that jumps out this weekend. (and this is where I'll grumble at Isis for all the fluff posts!)

MiX started acting more like town!MiX after people made a big deal about how he wasn't acting like town!MiX and a wagon built on him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on July 31, 2020, 04:14:33 pm
If you believe he's acting like town!MiX, that is. I'm still not sure he is, but it is closer to it than he was D1 at least.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on July 31, 2020, 06:05:53 pm
Well then why Joth over chairs? That doesn't make sense either. And I still don't see why you were seeking Galz's permission, especially if you're not townreading him.

Why do you keep saying I was asking for Galz's permission?? I asked the thread at large whether anyone was around and wanted to comment. Galz answered, so I asked him a question that I thought I could learn something from.

We could have lynched someone other than Joth at that point, but your baffling decision to defer to Galz預 not-super-townie read to you, if I understand you correctly容ssentially ended that.

MiX claimed at #662, at which point the wagons looked like this, and I'd just posted intent:
Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, WestCoastDidds, MiX
MiX (6): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah, Chairs
Chairs (2): SpaceAnemone, Isis

Hey, Mail-mi even posted an official vote count at #666, and then Didds came in and argued against MiX for several posts from #668, moving her vote to Chairs at #673. You were posting about Chairs at #674/#675. Galz chimed in at #676, and Chairs moved onto Joth at #677.

By #680, the wagons were essentially 4-all like this:
Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, Chairs
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, scolapasta, jotheonah
Chairs (4): SpaceAnemone, Isis, WestCoastDidds, Robz888

Since Didds wouldn't vote MiX, we'd already run Chairs up once, and the strongest townread I had (Swowl) was on Joth, the logical thing was to move Joth when MiX seemed not be going through. You yourself were even making posts about scrambling to get an exile through! What wold you have had me do in that position?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 06:45:27 pm
I reread everything, and although I didn't setup my VCA, I'd like to point out that chairs bailed at X-1, Robz and others townread him for it, and then he came back to vote for people.

So, uh, willing to exile him as well.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 07:14:54 pm
I'm not saying you're scum because you're active, MiX.  You are scum because you're trying to get people exiled an awful lot more than you're trying to figure out if they deserve it
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 07:24:14 pm
I'm not saying you're scum because you're active, MiX.  You are scum because you're trying to get people exiled an awful lot more than you're trying to figure out if they deserve it

That's not what I said. Your case is fine, if you're not tying me directly with chairs.

Also, you were right, I should be looking more into chairs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 07:30:15 pm
Stop pocketing me I want to be grumpy
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 07:34:00 pm
Stop pocketing me I want to be grumpy

I'm voting you.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 09:30:37 pm
DAMA
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 09:35:40 pm
If you knew I was town what would that make you think about chairs?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 09:36:13 pm
for both robz and mix but for mix it can be "since you know I am town"
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 09:37:52 pm
If you knew I was town what would that make you think about chairs?

Maybe you misunderstood, I'm DAMA with a Capital D.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 09:38:35 pm
The more experienced I get at mafia, the more I feel like untraceable ineffable pattern recognitions become more dependable for me compared with reasonings I can articulate and it's so awkward.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 09:39:35 pm
i only know dama as the spanish word for noblewoman, but I don't think you are properly identified as such Robz
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 09:40:57 pm
i only know dama as the spanish word for noblewoman, but I don't think you are properly identified as such Robz

Flattery will get you everywhere
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 09:42:50 pm
um, ok, you are a total dama Robz.  We are destined for victory with you since the villains will cease raising arms against us when they remember how common their birth is compared with yours
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on July 31, 2020, 09:50:29 pm
If you knew I was town what would that make you think about chairs?

Most likely scum.

um, ok, you are a total dama Robz.  We are destined for victory with you since the villains will cease raising arms against us when they remember how common their birth is compared with yours

What? I think you're also drunk...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 09:51:47 pm
I haven't had a drop
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on July 31, 2020, 09:55:19 pm
um, ok, you are a total dama Robz.  We are destined for victory with you since the villains will cease raising arms against us when they remember how common their birth is compared with yours

Wish I could give this a care react
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on July 31, 2020, 10:04:18 pm
Robz, what is your alignment?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on July 31, 2020, 10:05:29 pm
Dama=drunk ask me anything.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Day 1)
Post by: EFHW on July 31, 2020, 10:09:07 pm
Unlike MiX, I'll go ahead and hammer.

Let's not do this end of day crap again, ok?
Why did you let it go so long?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on July 31, 2020, 11:38:37 pm
DAMA

who is skum, other than me, iyo?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on July 31, 2020, 11:50:45 pm
DAMA
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 01, 2020, 12:13:28 am
DAMA

drunk version or spanish noble woman?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 12:28:58 am
drunk spanish noble woman when you buy a Mill you may gain one of me or i'm also in the supply for 3$
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 01, 2020, 12:42:24 am
drunk spanish noble woman when you buy a Mill you may gain one of me or i'm also in the supply for 3$

fantastic. Do you think it is possible both mix and chairs are town and we had 3 town wagons?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 12:47:45 am
yes wagons can work that way of course that's possible
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 01, 2020, 12:49:32 am
yes wagons can work that way of course that's possible

k - do you think that is the case?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 12:53:17 am
i dont think it's obvious what was going on with the wagons

sometimes none of it makes sense

i just won a game where 6 townies and a scum were voting scum day 1 and 4 townies were voting a townie together, and the third scum was rolling around in the dandelions

sometimes it's better jsut be like
"who is acting scummy"

unless the wagon analysis is super easy
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 12:53:47 am
that game the nightkill guessing was super easy and was heavily used

the moral of the story is
be lazy
work smarter not harder
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 01, 2020, 05:24:37 am
#727 seems like a rather fake response to night since whether Didds crumbed anything is super irrelevant.

Why is it "super irrelevant"? Are all possible scumteams equally good with language? Didds is very strong, but others here aren't so much, either because we're more at home on the technical end of the spectrum and/or because not everyone is a native speaker of English. So if she hid a subtle enough clue, maybe there's a limited number of people who'd get it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 01, 2020, 05:29:52 am
I am a little bit behind and I am sorry about that. I have surprisingly shitload of work, so I will probably be replacing soon, sorry about that.

Aw, it's a shame we haven't gotten to interact more this game :-( I didn't even give you an affectionate RVS vote because Dylan claimed you first :-P Hope work isn't too harsh. Stay safe!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 06:11:00 am
it doesn't matter whether she crumbed her role or not because she's dead.   it does not help you figure out who the scum are at all to know whether she crumbed her role or not.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 06:11:30 am
and she wasn't an investigator so she couldn't sprinkle results in crumbs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 06:13:28 am
so you're talkng about something that has no effect on the game like hearthstone except in this case you're pretending to talk about the game which makes it a concern that it is fake participation whereas talking about hearthstone isn't even an attempt to fake participation really

i rolled maeiv this game and i got some rockpool hunters and those are usually good but i don't htink they vibe iwth maiev
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 01, 2020, 07:18:47 am
so you're talkng about something that has no effect on the game like hearthstone except in this case you're pretending to talk about the game which makes it a concern that it is fake participation whereas talking about hearthstone isn't even an attempt to fake participation really

i rolled maeiv this game and i got some rockpool hunters and those are usually good but i don't htink they vibe iwth maiev

That's obviously wrong. Space thinks this is important, and you disagree. This argument already generated more value than all of your HS posts combined.

I agree that it's not important, I completely disagree that it's scummy. In fact, it's townie, as it suggests Space didn't find anything, whereas scum has.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 01, 2020, 07:21:05 am
#727 seems like a rather fake response to night since whether Didds crumbed anything is super irrelevant.

Why is it "super irrelevant"? Are all possible scumteams equally good with language? Didds is very strong, but others here aren't so much, either because we're more at home on the technical end of the spectrum and/or because not everyone is a native speaker of English. So if she hid a subtle enough clue, maybe there's a limited number of people who'd get it.

It's somewhat irrelevant because it could very well be due to her reaction to the wrong-game post scola made, and thus everything about it is NAI. It's not like Didds wanted to claim she was doc.


Don't ask why I needed 2 posts for this.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 01, 2020, 09:24:02 am
I wondered about the crumb thing, too.  It's true that whether she did or not doesn't help catch scum, but it's natural to be curious.

What does seem strange to me is Space's defense of her comment. Why go on about the relative strengths of f.ds players in English? Didds wouldn't have known how skilled scum were at reading in English. If we found a breadcrumb, would there be any inferences to make based on knowing who has a different first language?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 01, 2020, 09:31:37 am
Keeping my suspicions to myself is just making me too quiet, so I'll share.  And likely regret it. But I completely agree with MiX's observations about Robz. These were the thoughts I wasn't mentioning.  Why did you back down so quickly, MiX?

Vote: Robz

I will also mention a different possibility other than Robz being scum, which is that he is still riding high after his successful scumreading in the last game.

Vote: Robz

I can't remember a time where he hasn't been trying to control the thread. Between his case on Swowl, defense of joth and now voting Space, it seems Robz is on top of everything that is happening, and always comes out of it better than he should.

Who's been talking about him anyway?

This also works really well in a scum!chairs world, as Robz also defended him a bunch.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 01, 2020, 09:35:40 am
Robz's defense was good, and I want Isis first.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 01, 2020, 10:07:55 am
Isis has my not voting her D2 decision because I think if she is scum we'll see a slip
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 01, 2020, 10:55:41 am
so you're talkng about something that has no effect on the game like hearthstone except in this case you're pretending to talk about the game which makes it a concern that it is fake participation whereas talking about hearthstone isn't even an attempt to fake participation really

Agree with this, are you voting Space yet? You should join me.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 09:27:34 pm
[v]SpaceAnemone[/v]
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 09:28:01 pm
Vote: SpaceAnemone
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 01, 2020, 09:28:30 pm
I don't slip, I'm much more proficient at scum than town, even though I enjoy town more
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 01, 2020, 10:41:13 pm
Robz's defense was good, and I want Isis first.

I'll say more about this tomorrow. Isis was a good Day 1 lynch. What elevates her to being a good Day 2 lynch?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 01, 2020, 11:02:27 pm
Robz's defense was good, and I want Isis first.

I'll say more about this tomorrow. Isis was a good Day 1 lynch. What elevates her to being a good Day 2 lynch?

The fact that joth was town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 02, 2020, 01:04:45 am
You make no sense
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 02, 2020, 02:40:49 pm
Man, it doesn't feel like I've posted that little. I guess avoiding the off-topic convos sort of hurts that stat.

I've been trying to respond to this post since yesterday morning! The short answer would have been to point out that what you said in one post, some other players would have split into two or three.

The longer answer is that you have the second-highest average number of words per post, which I know because I went and extended my vote-counting script to do word counts as well as post counts for every player.. it was a much messier task than I'd expected, and there may still be some things I'm counting that I shouldn't be, but I'm definitely not counting things like quoted text, the "Quote from.." text that's just outside of quoted text, or bits of punctuation and html spaces that the first iteration thought were words, so it'll do for no:

Average numbers of words per post:
   85.3 SpaceAnemone
   70.2 Dylan32
   47.6 Galzria
   41.6 scolapasta
   32.1 Isis
   30.1 WestCoastDidds
   28.9 MiX
   28.2 jotheonah
   25.7 Robz888
   21.1 Chairs
   20.7 Swowl
   14.4 EFHW
   14.0 LaLight

My count is probably a little inflated from posting vote counts or tabulated stuff like the list above, but not by very much, and I still think it's game-useful content even if it's not just sentences.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 02, 2020, 02:53:51 pm
Hey Space, who's scum? What are your reads from EoD1? Given all those post counts surely you've reread, right? What jumped out?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 02, 2020, 02:55:34 pm
I wondered about the crumb thing, too.  It's true that whether she did or not doesn't help catch scum, but it's natural to be curious.

What does seem strange to me is Space's defense of her comment. Why go on about the relative strengths of f.ds players in English? Didds wouldn't have known how skilled scum were at reading in English. If we found a breadcrumb, would there be any inferences to make based on knowing who has a different first language?

I'm really puzzled how you three (EFHW, MiX, Isis) think about breadcrumbs that you're all three agreeing that this is irrelevant. It might not offer anything more than super-weak evidence against some certain configurations of scum-team, but I see a definite distinction between that and "irrelevant". The way I see it, a breadcrumb is something you post early in the game so that when claims come out later, you can point to it and say something along the lines on "see, I'm not just making it up and claiming the most convenient role: I hid this secret message at the start".

For that to work, you need to come up with something that's subtle enough not to be noticed by scum, but clear enough that they can't really argue against it once you've pointed it out. That's a language skill. If there was a breadcrumb, then for scum to spot it, especially since I looked in retrospect and still couldn't see something, I suggest that at least one member of the scumteam is clever enough or familiar enough with Didds's language patterns that they sussed it out.

So.. how is that different from what you three mean?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 02, 2020, 02:58:58 pm
Breadcrumbing on purpose is not something Didds would do, is the main point. Another one is that even if she did crumb, scum could've not seen it, and NKd her for some other reason. And then if you can determine that scum did see the crumb, it's almost impossible to determine who could've seen it: everyone can theoretically have, right?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 02, 2020, 03:07:12 pm
Breadcrumbing on purpose is not something Didds would do, is the main point. Another one is that even if she did crumb, scum could've not seen it, and NKd her for some other reason. And then if you can determine that scum did see the crumb, it's almost impossible to determine who could've seen it: everyone can theoretically have, right?

I don't think most people would do that because you don't know how likely scum is to be good at catching that kind of thing. Even if they would, I also don't want to speculate on who in the game is good at word games in English and who isn't. Didds was towny but less likely to be protected (as it turned out, unable to be protected), which would make her a good nk choice.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 02, 2020, 03:07:49 pm
If you are good at crumbing there should be a 0% chance of scum figuring out your crumb.  Lots of people are just lazy though.  Airtight crumbs are trivial.

It sounds like MiX is saying Didds wouldn't crumb at all.

It still seems pretty silly and peripheral but maybe you actually have taken interest in such a futile thing.  Do you wanna help me kill MiX? The mod didn't give me a dayvig this time.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 02, 2020, 03:10:32 pm
Are you talking to me? I'm not scumreading MiX.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 02, 2020, 03:13:24 pm
If you are good at crumbing there should be a 0% chance of scum figuring out your crumb.  Lots of people are just lazy though.  Airtight crumbs are trivial.

It sounds like MiX is saying Didds wouldn't crumb at all.

It still seems pretty silly and peripheral but maybe you actually have taken interest in such a futile thing.  Do you wanna help me kill MiX? The mod didn't give me a dayvig this time.

How the hell did you spin this into thinking I'm scummy? Please explain, as that felt like a huge leap of logic.

Are you talking to me? I'm not scumreading MiX.

I think she's talking to Space...

Girls, if you wanna talk directly to someone without quoting, do so only on the immediate reply, that is, on the post directly afterwards. Space will get confused otherwise, not to mention everyone else.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 02, 2020, 03:22:38 pm
Hey Space, who's scum? What are your reads from EoD1? Given all those post counts surely you've reread, right? What jumped out?

Erm.. it's not like I'm re-reading people to count their posts.. that's what Matlab is for :-P

Anyway, looking through the D1 wagons in light of the flips:

The early MiX wagon had two known towns and then Robz and Chairs. I think that was the only point in the game where Didds and Joth were voting in the same place, though.

When the Isis wagon first hit 4 people, Chairs was also the one to take it up to 4 votes at #256, though I'm the only green on there.

MiX's wagon had just our two flipped towns from #266 all the way up to #439, with only Isis joining from #366 to #410. MiX can be quite provocative, so I'd expect more scum interest if he's town, which gives me some confidence that we have at least one in {MiX,Isis}, with MiX being higher likelihood.

Joth's wagon started picking up at #445 when Swowl joined. That makes one scum in {MiX, Chairs, Swowl} look pretty likely.

Through the 500s (post numbers), Joth had Chairs, Didds, Swowl and Galz on his tail. That looks a bit bad for Chairs, However, the leading alternative wagon at this point was Chairs, so it's not surprising that he didn't move away. Meanwhile, MiX was on Chairs and then Isis.

So currently the scummiest wagon placements are Chairs and MiX, though Swowl needs a re-read, and Galz definitely needs a first iso.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 02, 2020, 03:27:50 pm
Girls, if you wanna talk directly to someone without quoting, do so only on the immediate reply, that is, on the post directly afterwards. Space will get confused otherwise, not to mention everyone else.

For the record, while I think you're only calling Isis and EFHW "girls" here, I'd like to make it known that while I'll accept she/her as a pronoun, I will take a super-dim view of anyone trying to group me in any "girls" umbrella.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 02, 2020, 03:29:43 pm
It still seems pretty silly and peripheral but maybe you actually have taken interest in such a futile thing.  Do you wanna help me kill MiX? The mod didn't give me a dayvig this time.

Way to patronise someone and then try to get them onto your cause all in one breath :-P

I do think Vote: MiX isn't the silliest move right now, though.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 02, 2020, 03:34:55 pm
Hey Space, who's scum? What are your reads from EoD1? Given all those post counts surely you've reread, right? What jumped out?

Erm.. it's not like I'm re-reading people to count their posts.. that's what Matlab is for :-P

Anyway, looking through the D1 wagons in light of the flips:

The early MiX wagon had two known towns and then Robz and Chairs. I think that was the only point in the game where Didds and Joth were voting in the same place, though.

When the Isis wagon first hit 4 people, Chairs was also the one to take it up to 4 votes at #256, though I'm the only green on there.

MiX's wagon had just our two flipped towns from #266 all the way up to #439, with only Isis joining from #366 to #410. MiX can be quite provocative, so I'd expect more scum interest if he's town, which gives me some confidence that we have at least one in {MiX,Isis}, with MiX being higher likelihood.

Joth's wagon started picking up at #445 when Swowl joined. That makes one scum in {MiX, Chairs, Swowl} look pretty likely.

Through the 500s (post numbers), Joth had Chairs, Didds, Swowl and Galz on his tail. That looks a bit bad for Chairs, However, the leading alternative wagon at this point was Chairs, so it's not surprising that he didn't move away. Meanwhile, MiX was on Chairs and then Isis.

So currently the scummiest wagon placements are Chairs and MiX, though Swowl needs a re-read, and Galz definitely needs a first iso.

That's a good VCA. Your thought on MiX/Isis having 1 scum is also a feeling I had, although I didn't do my VCA yet (and won't for a while, stuck on mobile until wednesday). I also agree with the chairs bit, all the way to "he had to vote for joth".

It still seems pretty silly and peripheral but maybe you actually have taken interest in such a futile thing.  Do you wanna help me kill MiX? The mod didn't give me a dayvig this time.

Way to patronise someone and then try to get them onto your cause all in one breath :-P

I do think Vote: MiX isn't the silliest move right now, though.

If it worked...
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 02, 2020, 03:57:30 pm
To an almost absurd degree, we keep having conversations about basically just MiX and chairs. This is partly due to MiX's aggressive and unhelpful self-preservationist style, but we also don't need to keep catering to it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 02, 2020, 03:57:54 pm
It still seems pretty silly and peripheral but maybe you actually have taken interest in such a futile thing.  Do you wanna help me kill MiX? The mod didn't give me a dayvig this time.

Way to patronise someone and then try to get them onto your cause all in one breath :-P

I do think Vote: MiX isn't the silliest move right now, though.

I'm shocked, just shocked that you would go in this direction.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 02, 2020, 04:33:00 pm
To an almost absurd degree, we keep having conversations about basically just MiX and chairs. This is partly due to MiX's aggressive and unhelpful self-preservationist style, but we also don't need to keep catering to it.

I mean, there is a surefire way to deal with it and not have to worry about it again this game. Just saying.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 02, 2020, 04:47:53 pm
To an almost absurd degree, we keep having conversations about basically just MiX and chairs. This is partly due to MiX's aggressive and unhelpful self-preservationist style, but we also don't need to keep catering to it.

I mean, there is a surefire way to deal with it and not have to worry about it again this game. Just saying.

We can also catch scum and not take the easy way out. Just saying.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 02, 2020, 05:23:05 pm
To an almost absurd degree, we keep having conversations about basically just MiX and chairs. This is partly due to MiX's aggressive and unhelpful self-preservationist style, but we also don't need to keep catering to it.

OK counter argument to this. Details to follow. But in at least moderate agreement with the Space Analysis - the options revolving around Chairs/MiX are fairly limited. During the heat of Day 1, it was Joth v Chairs v MiX. Chairs gets run up, doesn't happen. MiX gets run up, doesn't happen. Joth gets run up, doesn't happen. MiX gets run up again... doesn't happen. And then Joth get's lynched.

So when I ran VCA I was primarily ISOing out MiX and Chairs and the combinations of alignments they could have.
1. = Town/Town
2. = Skum/Skum
3. = Skum!MiX/Town!Chairs
4. = Skum!Chairs/Town!MiX

Vote Count 1.3 1 day out
chairs (4): Galzria, scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah
jotheonah (4): MiX, chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
Isis (2): EFHW, SpaceAnemone
Swowl (2): LaLight, Robz888,
LaLight (1): Dylan32

- So I believe this is the count that Space was mentioning (MiX, Chairs, Swowl, and WCD on Joth).
- For me, with some bias I suppose... the interesting VC is not a VC, but what happens after the next two moves (Robz and LL move from Swowl to Chairs) is the VC I am looking at. That puts us here:

chairs (6): Galzria, scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah, Robz, LaLight (x-1)
jotheonah (4): MiX, chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
Isis (2): EFHW, SpaceAnemone
LaLight (1): Dylan32

1. = Could be a thing. Would be weird from my pov, bc I know I am town, so that is no skum on Joth at this point at all. Would probably mean at least 1 skum off wagons, which would explain the multitudes of ups and downs we go through from this point forward.
2. = Could be. Mainly because the next sets of moves is the dismantling of the Chairs wagon. If the case, or if chairs is skum at all, would make Robz/LL very unlikely as partner. Also the whole MiX not wanting to hammer chairs thing comes into play there.
3. = Possible. Though, Dylan, Robz and LL both move over to MiX... and 2/3 of those people are super high on my radar, so that is a fence for me.
4. = Seems most likely for me. Between the above count to the below (next) count, we go from a chairs wagon of [Galzria, scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah, Robz, LaLight] to a chairs wagon of [Pasta, Isis, Joth, MiX, Space]. So, Pasta, Isis, Joth stay where they were on chairs. Galz gets off chairs to Joth, Robz and LL get onto MiX. I guess if anything that FOS's galz more than the others in that set.

-   Dylan votes MiX (LL)
-   Robz unvotes
-   LL votes MiX (Chairs)
-   Joth votes MiX (chairs)
-   Galz votes Joth (chairs)
-   Robz votes MiX (no vote)
-   Joth votes back to chairs (MiX)
-   MiX votes chairs (Joth)
-   Space votes Chairs (Isis)

brings us here:
Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): , chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, Galzria
MiX (3): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz
chairs (5): , scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah, MiX, Space

-   Isis votes MiX (Chairs)
-   Galz votes MiX (Joth)
-   Pasta votes MiX (Chairs) (X-1)

puts us here:
Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (3): , chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl,
MiX (6): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz, Isis, Galz, Pasta (x-1)
chairs (3):  jotheonah, MiX, Space

-   Isis votes Charis
-   Galz votes Joth (MiX)
-   Joth votes MiX (X-1)
-   MiX votes Isis (Chairs)
-   WCD votes Isis (Joth)

brings us to VC 1.4 - 1.5 hours out of DL
MiX (5): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah
Isis (3): EFHW, MiX, WestCoastDidds
jotheonah (3): chairs, Swowl, Galzria
chairs (2): SpaceAnemone, Isis

1. = OK possible
2. = Becoming unlikely. As this is immediately followed by Chairs putting MiX at L-1
3. = Starting to not think this is likely at this point either. I would assume that of the 5 players on MiX [Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah] if mix is skum here there has to be like at least 1 bus right? except like no one leaves here after for while...
4. = OK yeah this could be a thing. again. Skum chairs on MiX... probably like another skum on there, and/or 1-2 skum off that want to keep wagons split and not look skummy for hammering or have expressed no interest in mix to this point.

-   WCD votes Joth (Isis)
-   Chairs votes MiX (Joth) (X-1)
-   Mix votes Joth (Isis)

Vote Count 1.5
MiX (6): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah, chairs {X-1}
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, WestCoastDidds, MiX
chairs (2): SpaceAnemone, Isis
Isis (1): EFHW

-   WCD votes Chairs (Joth)
-   Chairs votes Joth (MiX)
-   Robz votes Chairs (MiX)

Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs
MiX (4): Dylan32, LaLight, , scolapasta, jotheonah,
chairs (4): SpaceAnemone, Isis, WCD, Robz888

-   Space votes Joth (Chairs)
-   WCD moves back to Joth (Chairs)
-   Scola hammers Joth (MiX) *like 7 seconds left*

Vote Count 1.FINAL
Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (7): Swowl, Galzria, MiX, chairs, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta
MiX (3): Dylan32, LaLight, jotheonah
chairs (2): Isis, Robz888

1. = OK, if both town then like almost for sure skum in Galz, Space, Pasta. Would also dictate the on wagon kill to try and give more reason for us not to devatite from looking at MiX/Chairs.
2. = Could be the case, but counter point of #1 here, WCD would be a weird pick. I would expect them to pick a kill that could potentially iso our field down to 3 players off wagon to try and sway us away from MiX/Chairs selection. Also there is the whole Chairs putting mix at L-1 bit countered by the MiX not wanting to hammer chairs. but still... not likely all in all to me.
3. = Obviously possible. But I just don't get why MiX would not hammer chairs in the past when MiX was the the one at risk themselves. Or they could of gone for Joth. But neither, they went for Isis, then Joth died down, then they went for Joth.
4. = Def Possible. They start out on Joth. Joth dies down. They move to MiX. And in the end end up on Joth again.


So I know that is gonna get some scrutinty on focusing so much on Chairs/MiX. But the fact of the matter is that Chairs/MiX/Isis/Joth were kind of the sole focus on the day - Gap on Isis technically I guess, they just got a lot of talk.
But the point is, I don't think given the scenarios listed that it is likely that they are both skum.
I think it is possible that they are both Town.
And if i have to pick one, which I think we should, I pick chairs over MiX.

Vote: Chairs




Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 02, 2020, 06:06:17 pm
If you are good at crumbing there should be a 0% chance of scum figuring out your crumb.  Lots of people are just lazy though.  Airtight crumbs are trivial.

It sounds like MiX is saying Didds wouldn't crumb at all.

It still seems pretty silly and peripheral but maybe you actually have taken interest in such a futile thing.  Do you wanna help me kill MiX? The mod didn't give me a dayvig this time.

How the hell did you spin this into thinking I'm scummy? Please explain, as that felt like a huge leap of logic.

Are you talking to me? I'm not scumreading MiX.

I think she's talking to Space...

Girls, if you wanna talk directly to someone without quoting, do so only on the immediate reply, that is, on the post directly afterwards. Space will get confused otherwise, not to mention everyone else.
Oh don't worry I just always scumread you it was definitely a nonsequitir
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 02, 2020, 06:08:41 pm
It still seems pretty silly and peripheral but maybe you actually have taken interest in such a futile thing.  Do you wanna help me kill MiX? The mod didn't give me a dayvig this time.

Way to patronise someone and then try to get them onto your cause all in one breath :-P

I do think Vote: MiX isn't the silliest move right now, though.
I'm pocketing you is it working
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 02, 2020, 06:12:46 pm
Man as much I want to townread Swowl for putting in effort that's the kind of effort that's not too hard to do as scum.

He's probably just town for other reasons though
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 02, 2020, 06:22:31 pm
Man as much I want to townread Swowl for putting in effort that's the kind of effort that's not too hard to do as scum.

He's probably just town for other reasons though

hold onto those other reasons. Everyone in this game will confirm I do it regardless of alignment.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 03, 2020, 07:58:36 am
The one scummy thing MiX has done was backing off of Robz. I was going to post all the examples of Robz trying to control the game,  but I don't want to be obnoxious. I can if people want to see it. But his defense didn't address MiX's observations. So was MiX intimidated? Was it a faked argument?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 03, 2020, 08:17:10 am
The one scummy thing MiX has done was backing off of Robz. I was going to post all the examples of Robz trying to control the game,  but I don't want to be obnoxious. I can if people want to see it. But his defense didn't address MiX's observations. So was MiX intimidated? Was it a faked argument?

I think it's possible Robz is town and controlling things. It's not the good old Robz we know, but he definitely has the skills to do that. I also think that D1, and Isis' style in general, aligns a lot with her being scum. She's not really doing much? Yet says she is. I think that's precisely what she would do here as scum. The VCA also points to that, as Swowl pointed out.

I'd love to see a rundown of Robz's posts, but first I'd lije others to chip in about this.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 03, 2020, 08:20:11 am
Here's a separate question. How come Galz and Iis were willing to exile MiX the first time he was at X-1 but not the second? Reverse question for Chairs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 03, 2020, 08:21:10 am
The one scummy thing MiX has done was backing off of Robz. I was going to post all the examples of Robz trying to control the game,  but I don't want to be obnoxious. I can if people want to see it. But his defense didn't address MiX's observations. So was MiX intimidated? Was it a faked argument?

I think it's possible Robz is town and controlling things. It's not the good old Robz we know, but he definitely has the skills to do that. I also think that D1, and Isis' style in general, aligns a lot with her being scum. She's not really doing much? Yet says she is. I think that's precisely what she would do here as scum. The VCA also points to that, as Swowl pointed out.

I'd love to see a rundown of Robz's posts, but first I'd lije others to chip in about this.
He does have the skills, but he usually uses them as scum.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Galzria on August 03, 2020, 09:15:13 am
Sorry all - I will get caught up this afternoon.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 03, 2020, 04:03:15 pm
I do think Vote: MiX isn't the silliest move right now, though.
I'm pocketing you is it working

I'm not a number, I'm a free Anemone! Or something like that. Also, Swowl's pocket looks tempting too.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 03, 2020, 05:30:22 pm
can someone tell me what pocketing is? I had been reading it as "buddying" but I am getting the sense that is incorrect.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 03, 2020, 06:08:06 pm
can someone tell me what pocketing is? I had been reading it as "buddying" but I am getting the sense that is incorrect.

It's buddying, but more persistant and more permanent? That's probably a good way to explain it.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 03, 2020, 06:31:21 pm
FWIW I have only phone web for the appreciable future. I can reply but don't expect me to be able to do ISO reads etc., mostly just gut feel.

That said I think scum is real happy with the focus being on me and mix, or chat would move on. This suggests to me that mix is also town, so I think we need to vote: Robz
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 03, 2020, 07:55:35 pm
There's variance among how the term is used but I use it to mean either townreading or complimenting or +1ing someone else in a way that makes them have favorable attitudes toward you in general, as scum so they're less likely to vote you, then or later
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 03, 2020, 07:56:20 pm
I haven't done much this game tbh my motivation is kind of low

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 03, 2020, 10:42:05 pm
FWIW I have only phone web for the appreciable future. I can reply but don't expect me to be able to do ISO reads etc., mostly just gut feel.

That said I think scum is real happy with the focus being on me and mix, or chat would move on. This suggests to me that mix is also town, so I think we need to vote: Robz

I think I actually agree. My main MiX argument was the unwillingness to hammer. My gut said it was un-MiX like, but the more I think about it, I don't actually recall him wanting to hammer. (one of my early games was MiX vs Ash accusing each other of being the last scum; ash is someone who loved to hammer and I may have mixed them up).

I'm not a big fan if exiling lurkers, as I am sometimes that, as well.  Though I would like to hear from them.

I think I'll join the

vote: Robz

crowd as the anti lurker who does seem to be trying to control the narrative.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 03, 2020, 11:35:56 pm
FWIW I have only phone web for the appreciable future. I can reply but don't expect me to be able to do ISO reads etc., mostly just gut feel.

That said I think scum is real happy with the focus being on me and mix, or chat would move on. This suggests to me that mix is also town, so I think we need to vote: Robz

whats your "gut read" on LL?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 03, 2020, 11:44:00 pm
Here's a separate question. How come Galz and Iis were willing to exile MiX the first time he was at X-1 but not the second? Reverse question for Chairs.

Actually, this ain't a bad point. Here are the wagons for reference:

This is the chairs X1 wagon:
Isis (2): EFHW, SpaceAnemone
jotheonah (4): MiX, chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
LaLight (1): Dylan32
chairs (6): Galzria, scolapasta, Isis, jotheonah, Robz, LaLight (x-1)


This is the first MiX X1 wagon:
Isis (1): EFHW
jotheonah (3): , chairs, WestCoastDidds, Swowl,
MiX (6): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz, Isis, Galz, Pasta (x-1)
chairs (3):  jotheonah, MiX, Space

Then there is the last MiX X1 wagon:
Isis (2): EFHW, MiX,
jotheonah (4): Swowl, Galzria, WestCoastDidds
MiX (6): Dylan32, LaLight, Robz888, scolapasta, jotheonah, chairs
chairs (2): SpaceAnemone, Isis


While I think the point is good, the direction would be trying to tie one+ of Galz/Isis to one+ of MiX/chairs. Galz/Isis could just be town - I mean Isis wasn't even online for any of that. Still think the best bet is within MiX/Chairs. Lean on Chairs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 03:01:35 am
I'd love to see a rundown of Robz's posts, but first I'd lije others to chip in about this.

1. defending Joth.

vote: joth semi-seriously
Would love to hear this case.


2. votes MiX.

Vote: MiX


3. open door on galz.

Ok, now I'm having a hard time articulating why this is scummy. Basically, I think it's scummy to jump on someone else's case and then sort of softly egg that person on to back it up with a vote. Like he's impatient to get a wagon going.
I don't agree, I think the question was fine.
I do think Galz is behaving quite like he did last game as scum, mostly in terms of relatively being lurky, but it's kind of early to say so for sure.
And then we're getting into WIFOM territory, but doesn't scum!Galz switch it up and go for overactivity here?
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4. the weakest case which they refuse to talk about yet insist to push ever made in the history of ever.

not  "vla"... but I will be out for like the next 24 hours.
I thought Galz was getting the better of swowl in their exchange, which culminated in swowl OMGUS voting for Galz, and then declaring a 24 hour partial VLA, which I read as I'm-taking-heat-gotta-get-out-of-here, and THAT is legitimately more likely to be scum behavior.
Vote: Swowl


5. Defending pops/isis.

Not at all convinced by the votes on pops. People who are extremely quiet shouldn't complain about him.


... yadda yadda bunch of posts about how me and galz's (galz'?) thing is skummy on me for going camping...


6. Follow up on the open door on galz.

When did I buddy you???
Lol iso yourself. You池e super agreeable towards me. Not saying I MIND though...
I mean, I haven't like attacked you. You haven't said all that much yet. But we're really defining buddying down if me not having gunned for you from the get-go is an example of buddying!
This sort of matters, since me buddying you is indeed something town!you would think is scummy behavior from me. Falsely claiming I'm buddying you is therefore definitely a line of approach that scum!you could use.


... yadda yadda galz and robz doing galz and robz things ...


7. 5 straw pennies to anyone that is reading close enough to get why this is weird

Swowl did something legitimately scummy, or at least something I can identify as perhaps scummy, maybe? which is the best I can do for Day 1 at least. It's not buddying you to call this out, just because you happen to be the onus for swowl outing himself (if he is scum).


8. There is no case. It was not obvious. And I asked a very specific question, not hard to answer it if you have a case instead of deflecting.
I'd also like Galz to respond to my swowl case.
I would like robz to answer my previous question regarding what your case is?
How about I値l make it super simple - explain to me exactly what it is that you think i was making an excuse to leave the table from? Like not the general 3 post back and forth between Galz and I. But what exact part of it do you think i would have enough of an issue with dealing with that i do what you say instead of not?
I think it痴 perfectly obvious. There痴 not a lot to it, because it痴 not like the most major slam dunk case ever.


9. this is stated while they are the solo (or solo +1, can't remember) vote on me. also, while I am all for new robz, def not something they cared about in the past. before it was more "hammer that ish right not to get done with Day 1". so overall, that is weird.

Ugh. Never good for town when we sort of come down to the wire and are forced to do a last minute exile without time to adjudicate claims. It's time for some wagon consolidation, people.


10. then they vote chairs. then they unvote chairs for this reason. both of which is skummy.

Ugh. Never good for town when we sort of come down to the wire and are forced to do a last minute exile without time to adjudicate claims. It's time for some wagon consolidation, people.

and I am tired and getting to the end of day 1 and need more concentration. Someone else can do the rest.

all said and done... I don't think Skum!robz makes that case on me Day 1. I also don't think they interact with galz the way they did if they are skum. The chairs vote timing is suspicious but I will admit to being bias in saying that it was coming off a shitty wagon, so it wouldn't take much.

def not sold on town. But I will not be voting robz over other options today.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 03:02:12 am
btw the previous was per mix request because I can't sleep.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2020, 08:03:55 am
btw the previous was per mix request because I can't sleep.

Thank you Swan!

That's a lot to analyze. Why is point 2. a thing?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 04, 2020, 08:20:03 am
FWIW I have only phone web for the appreciable future. I can reply but don't expect me to be able to do ISO reads etc., mostly just gut feel.

That said I think scum is real happy with the focus being on me and mix, or chat would move on. This suggests to me that mix is also town, so I think we need to vote: Robz

whats your "gut read" on LL?

LL is in this game?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 11:06:43 am
To the extent "I'm trying to control the game," I really make no apologies. This game is so far characterized by intense lurking from a variety of players, and a hyper fixation on MiX and chairs. Yes, I have ben trying to steer us away from that. You can say it's controlling, I just say it's scumhunting, and it's what more people should be doing. Please, try it some time!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 11:08:01 am
FWIW I have only phone web for the appreciable future. I can reply but don't expect me to be able to do ISO reads etc., mostly just gut feel.

That said I think scum is real happy with the focus being on me and mix, or chat would move on. This suggests to me that mix is also town, so I think we need to vote: Robz

Insane. Why does this make you think we need to vote for me. I agree with you, I'm against the mixing and the chairsing!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on August 04, 2020, 11:28:46 am
faust has replaced LaLight.

Vote Count 2.1


Isis (1): MiX
MiX (2): Dylan32, SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (2): Robz888, Isis
Robz888 (3): EFHW, chairs, scolapasta
chairs (1): Swowl

Not Voting (2): faust, Galzria

With 11 alive it takes 6 to exile.

Day 2 lasts until 12:30AM FT on Saturday, August 8th, 2020.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 04, 2020, 11:36:01 am
FWIW I have only phone web for the appreciable future. I can reply but don't expect me to be able to do ISO reads etc., mostly just gut feel.

That said I think scum is real happy with the focus being on me and mix, or chat would move on. This suggests to me that mix is also town, so I think we need to vote: Robz

Insane. Why does this make you think we need to vote for me. I agree with you, I'm against the mixing and the chairsing!

Mostly wanted to see how you'd react.

Vote: Faust

Welcome to the game!
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2020, 12:24:37 pm
Faust, eh? This will be interesting.

Does no one think Isis is scum other than me?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 04, 2020, 12:42:16 pm
Faust, eh? This will be interesting.

Does no one think Isis is scum other than me?

She's on my list, but I prefer Robz or chairs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 04, 2020, 12:59:53 pm
How is everyone?

I have not followed this game at all, so please give me a short breakdown of what happened so far.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 04, 2020, 01:15:37 pm
We had what is increasingly looking like a trio of town wagons on D1 that just never went away, with an impressive seven seconds until deadline exiling joth.

Then our groot died overnight but I think that was just scum shooting an engaged player not an intentional shot at the tree (who I think was the doc?). Either way it's not great.


Now we're on D2 and most folks agree we need to review new players but there seems to be a low motivation to move forward.

I think we need to XAL, personally. If I were scum and play were this slow I'd be happy to just minimally post and not push the game very hard.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 04, 2020, 01:17:57 pm
That said I think Isis is town, I think MiX is probably Town, I think Robz is mildly Town, I think I forgot LL was in this game which is a bad sign there but you just replaced LL so maybe you'll be able to sort out my concerns on that front.

Vote: spaceanemone
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 01:22:20 pm
btw the previous was per mix request because I can't sleep.

Thank you Swan!

That's a lot to analyze. Why is point 2. a thing?

just interactions. it was late. IDK. It was just bolded text at the start of the iso.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 04, 2020, 01:36:32 pm
We had what is increasingly looking like a trio of town wagons on D1 that just never went away, with an impressive seven seconds until deadline exiling joth.

Then our groot died overnight but I think that was just scum shooting an engaged player not an intentional shot at the tree (who I think was the doc?). Either way it's not great.


Now we're on D2 and most folks agree we need to review new players but there seems to be a low motivation to move forward.

I think we need to XAL, personally. If I were scum and play were this slow I'd be happy to just minimally post and not push the game very hard.

XAL? (I get that XAL may be be replacing LAL, but I wouldn't know what that meant anyway)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 04, 2020, 01:45:31 pm
We had what is increasingly looking like a trio of town wagons on D1 that just never went away, with an impressive seven seconds until deadline exiling joth.

Then our groot died overnight but I think that was just scum shooting an engaged player not an intentional shot at the tree (who I think was the doc?). Either way it's not great.


Now we're on D2 and most folks agree we need to review new players but there seems to be a low motivation to move forward.

I think we need to XAL, personally. If I were scum and play were this slow I'd be happy to just minimally post and not push the game very hard.

XAL? (I get that XAL may be be replacing LAL, but I wouldn't know what that meant anyway)

exile all lurkers. Which in this game is a majority of the roster, unfortunately self included today.  I've had a tunnel of a scum read on MiX and have been rereading and have just been struggling to get a read on anyone apart from that scumread.  I'll try reading back again, maybe do an iso on a couple different people to figure out what alternatives there are to MiX, although frankly I would still very much be on board with an exile there. I think some of the push away from the D1 wagons could actually be partners pushing us away from that.

Also, I saw this looking over the setup again earlier, but scum has daychat, which could also partially contribute to the lack of in-thread conversations. I've never been scum in a game that had that, so I don't know how easy/difficult it would be to be active in both if a person's time online is limited.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 04, 2020, 01:47:06 pm
Okay, kind of skimmed the thread now. So much DAMA, must be Corona-induced.

I also feel comfortable with the OMGUS now.

Vote: chairs
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2020, 01:51:21 pm
Scum has daychat?? Why didn't anyone mention this before?

Okay, kind of skimmed the thread now. So much DAMA, must be Corona-induced.

I also feel comfortable with the OMGUS now.

Vote: chairs

What, why? Why chairs? Why do you care about who was voting LL?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2020, 01:54:09 pm
Whaaaaat, no wonder these days are terrible! I've been playing it all wrong! What the hell, setup. Why does scum have daychat??

Sighhhhhhhh, that means things that look scummy but usually aren't can be scummy again, since scum has more confidence!

That should mean Robz is town, idk about Isis though.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 04, 2020, 01:56:41 pm
Scum has daychat?? Why didn't anyone mention this before?

Okay, kind of skimmed the thread now. So much DAMA, must be Corona-induced.

I also feel comfortable with the OMGUS now.

Vote: chairs

What, why? Why chairs? Why do you care about who was voting LL?
No, no, chairs has voted for me since I replaced in. It's personal, you see.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2020, 01:57:26 pm
That said I think Isis is town, I think MiX is probably Town, I think Robz is mildly Town, I think I forgot LL was in this game which is a bad sign there but you just replaced LL so maybe you'll be able to sort out my concerns on that front.

Vote: spaceanemone

Uh...are you sure, faust?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 04, 2020, 02:06:22 pm
Quite so.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 04, 2020, 02:09:30 pm
We had what is increasingly looking like a trio of town wagons on D1 that just never went away, with an impressive seven seconds until deadline exiling joth.

Then our groot died overnight but I think that was just scum shooting an engaged player not an intentional shot at the tree (who I think was the doc?). Either way it's not great.


Now we're on D2 and most folks agree we need to review new players but there seems to be a low motivation to move forward.

I think we need to XAL, personally. If I were scum and play were this slow I'd be happy to just minimally post and not push the game very hard.

XAL? (I get that XAL may be be replacing LAL, but I wouldn't know what that meant anyway)

exile all lurkers. Which in this game is a majority of the roster, unfortunately self included today.  I've had a tunnel of a scum read on MiX and have been rereading and have just been struggling to get a read on anyone apart from that scumread.  I'll try reading back again, maybe do an iso on a couple different people to figure out what alternatives there are to MiX, although frankly I would still very much be on board with an exile there. I think some of the push away from the D1 wagons could actually be partners pushing us away from that.

Also, I saw this looking over the setup again earlier, but scum has daychat, which could also partially contribute to the lack of in-thread conversations. I've never been scum in a game that had that, so I don't know how easy/difficult it would be to be active in both if a person's time online is limited.

Yeah, daychat for scum is interesting.

Normally, I'd say lurking is not the best reason to exile, as I tend to get into "lurking periods" and the one time I did exile a lurker vs not (it was a 3 person Lylo), I was wrong. But, I do agree that the daychat dynamic changes thing some.

Which, WIFOM, but makes me wonder if Dylan bringing it up is an attempt to appear towny.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 02:59:42 pm
How is everyone?

I have not followed this game at all, so please give me a short breakdown of what happened so far.

The game has been approximately 78.4% wholly directed, in a very distracting way, by MiX, who has fought like bloody hell to not get lynched and evinced a forceful certainty about catching certain people as scum, mostly joth. The wagons yesterday were chairs, joth, and MiX. We X-1'd chairs, but his lack of claim and sort of indifference to being exiled prompted some people, notably me, to back off. Joth became the backup exile instead of MiX, somehow. Joth was town, it would not surprise me if MiX and chairs were as well, in fact I've sort of coming around to assuming that's the case.

Some people, I think basically EFHW and space, have gone after Isis (formerly pops) a whole lot, for "fluff posting", which I think is at least misguided on EFHW's part and actively bad on Space's part.

You (as LL) have lurked hardcore. I'm not sure if Dylan is lurking, they pop in from time to time. Scola is a big ? for me. Galz's play leaves something to be desired here, and over time has come to more closely resemble his scum play from last game.

I tried to get a case going against swowl, it was a fine case, why do we people even complain about my swowl case, that can't all be the best Day 1 case ever.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 03:04:26 pm
Scum day chat does partly explain how quiet things are here, but chairs-MiX-joth all being town also explains it to a very large degree. We should really look elsewhere today.

Might even include Isis in that.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 03:05:12 pm
Er, include Isis in the chairs-MiX-joth group, not the elsewhere people.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 04, 2020, 03:25:45 pm
I think we should be focusing on Dylan/Galz/Space
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 04, 2020, 03:40:37 pm
I think we should be focusing on Dylan/Galz/Space

I'll save you the time. A full summary of my game is as follows:

MiX is scum.

End.

How is everyone?

I have not followed this game at all, so please give me a short breakdown of what happened so far.

The game has been approximately 78.4% wholly directed, in a very distracting way, by MiX, who has fought like bloody hell to not get lynched and evinced a forceful certainty about catching certain people as scum, mostly joth. The wagons yesterday were chairs, joth, and MiX. We X-1'd chairs, but his lack of claim and sort of indifference to being exiled prompted some people, notably me, to back off. Joth became the backup exile instead of MiX, somehow. Joth was town, it would not surprise me if MiX and chairs were as well, in fact I've sort of coming around to assuming that's the case.

Some people, I think basically EFHW and space, have gone after Isis (formerly pops) a whole lot, for "fluff posting", which I think is at least misguided on EFHW's part and actively bad on Space's part.

You (as LL) have lurked hardcore. I'm not sure if Dylan is lurking, they pop in from time to time. Scola is a big ? for me. Galz's play leaves something to be desired here, and over time has come to more closely resemble his scum play from last game.

I tried to get a case going against swowl, it was a fine case, why do we people even complain about my swowl case, that can't all be the best Day 1 case ever.


(Re: bolded portion) That's something I noticed as well going back through.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 04:09:51 pm
Yeah.

Vote: Galzria
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 04, 2020, 04:35:09 pm
No one ever wants to vote MiX he's just invincible if there's not vigs.
Vote: Galzria
I feel kind of spaced out of the game but I'm gonna sheep robz because I like his posts
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 04, 2020, 05:04:07 pm
Vote: Galzria
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 04, 2020, 06:00:57 pm
This Galz wagon seems too sudden, and 2/3 of them (Robz and Isis) are the same people who were voting for me not long ago, along with Chairs.

I'm not ready to give up suspicion on the MiX/Chairs pairing.

Vote: Chairs

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 04, 2020, 06:03:28 pm
Here's a current Space Count:

Isis (1): MiX
Robz888 (2): EFHW, scolapasta
Chairs (3): Swowl, faust, SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): Chairs
Galzria (3): Robz888, Isis, Dylan32
Not Voting (1): Galzria
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2020, 06:07:24 pm
Is it bad if I feel like I'm doing to Isis the same I was doing to joth, but I still feel just as confident?

When has she...done something this game?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 04, 2020, 06:40:45 pm
I hadn't realised how absent Galz has been from D2 till I looked at where his posts come in the game timeline just now.

For people complaining that he's lurking, note that right now it looks like he's posted the 4th most game-words in the game (after MiX, me and Isis), and having started my re-read of him, I can confirm that those words are definitely there, because it's taking a while for me to get through him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 04, 2020, 09:44:44 pm
Is it bad if I feel like I'm doing to Isis the same I was doing to joth, but I still feel just as confident?

When has she...done something this game?
This is a criticism without linkage to my alignment.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 04, 2020, 09:45:25 pm
I have been a bit busy doing lots of things in some mafia games that have been played from start to finish while we played this one >_>
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 10:01:32 pm
Yeah.

Vote: Galzria

considering he has done literally nothing day 2 that is a pretty significant and quick flip for you.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 10:08:24 pm
Is it bad if I feel like I'm doing to Isis the same I was doing to joth, but I still feel just as confident?

When has she...done something this game?

she forced conversation Day 1 when no one was doing anything. I know that seems like one small thing, but as I was skum with her the game a bit back when she was skum.... I am not picking up skum here. Now that is literally the only game I have played with her, but this game and that game are not the same at all.

You don't want to lynch chairs. why is that?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 04, 2020, 10:13:18 pm
Is it bad if I feel like I'm doing to Isis the same I was doing to joth, but I still feel just as confident?

When has she...done something this game?

she forced conversation Day 1 when no one was doing anything. I know that seems like one small thing, but as I was skum with her the game a bit back when she was skum.... I am not picking up skum here. Now that is literally the only game I have played with her, but this game and that game are not the same at all.

You don't want to lynch chairs. why is that?

She's definitely not third-party, I also have that read on her. Doesn't mean she's not scum.

Chairs has been picking up the place, being less lazy and all that. I think the EoD1 wagons suggest chairs is town, given how much of an option he was. I don't think scun was trying very hard that day, although daychat changes everything.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 10:25:52 pm
Yeah.

Vote: Galzria

considering he has done literally nothing day 2 that is a pretty significant and quick flip for you.

This is such an unintentionally hilarious statement. "Galz has contributed nothing of value whatsoever this day, how dare you vote for him!"

I mean, really this is the whole problem we are having, people are tending to just vote for the same small cluster of players, scrutinizing them over and over again, while generally little else is said or done.

I don't know if it's scummy to run interference for Galz here, but it's sure anti-town.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 10:28:26 pm
We need more people to throw votes around, try out some wagons, shake something loose.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 04, 2020, 10:38:46 pm
Vote: galzria
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 10:44:25 pm
Yeah.

Vote: Galzria

considering he has done literally nothing day 2 that is a pretty significant and quick flip for you.

This is such an unintentionally hilarious statement. "Galz has contributed nothing of value whatsoever this day, how dare you vote for him!"

I mean, really this is the whole problem we are having, people are tending to just vote for the same small cluster of players, scrutinizing them over and over again, while generally little else is said or done.

I don't know if it's scummy to run interference for Galz here, but it's sure anti-town.

my point was based on I remember you town reading him yesterday. So now he has done nothing. and now you skum read him. So nothing changed. So why did your read change?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 04, 2020, 10:45:54 pm
Yeah.

Vote: Galzria

considering he has done literally nothing day 2 that is a pretty significant and quick flip for you.

This is such an unintentionally hilarious statement. "Galz has contributed nothing of value whatsoever this day, how dare you vote for him!"

I mean, really this is the whole problem we are having, people are tending to just vote for the same small cluster of players, scrutinizing them over and over again, while generally little else is said or done.

I don't know if it's scummy to run interference for Galz here, but it's sure anti-town.

my point was based on I remember you town reading him yesterday. So now he has done nothing. and now you skum read him. So nothing changed. So why did your read change?

How is everyone?

I have not followed this game at all, so please give me a short breakdown of what happened so far.

The game has been approximately 78.4% wholly directed, in a very distracting way, by MiX, who has fought like bloody hell to not get lynched and evinced a forceful certainty about catching certain people as scum, mostly joth. The wagons yesterday were chairs, joth, and MiX. We X-1'd chairs, but his lack of claim and sort of indifference to being exiled prompted some people, notably me, to back off. Joth became the backup exile instead of MiX, somehow. Joth was town, it would not surprise me if MiX and chairs were as well, in fact I've sort of coming around to assuming that's the case.

Some people, I think basically EFHW and space, have gone after Isis (formerly pops) a whole lot, for "fluff posting", which I think is at least misguided on EFHW's part and actively bad on Space's part.

You (as LL) have lurked hardcore. I'm not sure if Dylan is lurking, they pop in from time to time. Scola is a big ? for me. Galz's play leaves something to be desired here, and over time has come to more closely resemble his scum play from last game.

I tried to get a case going against swowl, it was a fine case, why do we people even complain about my swowl case, that can't all be the best Day 1 case ever.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 10:56:26 pm
Yeah.

Vote: Galzria

considering he has done literally nothing day 2 that is a pretty significant and quick flip for you.

This is such an unintentionally hilarious statement. "Galz has contributed nothing of value whatsoever this day, how dare you vote for him!"

I mean, really this is the whole problem we are having, people are tending to just vote for the same small cluster of players, scrutinizing them over and over again, while generally little else is said or done.

I don't know if it's scummy to run interference for Galz here, but it's sure anti-town.

my point was based on I remember you town reading him yesterday. So now he has done nothing. and now you skum read him. So nothing changed. So why did your read change?

How is everyone?

I have not followed this game at all, so please give me a short breakdown of what happened so far.

The game has been approximately 78.4% wholly directed, in a very distracting way, by MiX, who has fought like bloody hell to not get lynched and evinced a forceful certainty about catching certain people as scum, mostly joth. The wagons yesterday were chairs, joth, and MiX. We X-1'd chairs, but his lack of claim and sort of indifference to being exiled prompted some people, notably me, to back off. Joth became the backup exile instead of MiX, somehow. Joth was town, it would not surprise me if MiX and chairs were as well, in fact I've sort of coming around to assuming that's the case.

Some people, I think basically EFHW and space, have gone after Isis (formerly pops) a whole lot, for "fluff posting", which I think is at least misguided on EFHW's part and actively bad on Space's part.

You (as LL) have lurked hardcore. I'm not sure if Dylan is lurking, they pop in from time to time. Scola is a big ? for me. Galz's play leaves something to be desired here, and over time has come to more closely resemble his scum play from last game.

I tried to get a case going against swowl, it was a fine case, why do we people even complain about my swowl case, that can't all be the best Day 1 case ever.

bro you can pull all the quotes you want. You buddy'd the shit out of him all day 1.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 04, 2020, 11:01:50 pm
also the whole bit where I was skummy for going on VCA which would make it seeeeeem like you think Galz is towny.

Now, reads change, and that is fair. But then that is why I asked the question. What changed.

Actually yeah lets go with that - what has changed your read specifically to make galz skum from the time that he was not skum when you started the wagon on me Day 1?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Galzria on August 05, 2020, 01:30:04 am
Votes on me are bad.

Bad Robz. Bad Isis. Bad Chairs.

Well, Chairs gets off slightly based on my next point, but still.

There are 11 alive right now. 3 of those people are scum. 2 of those have claimed (or essentially claimed) VT. Assume for a moment that neither of them are scum.

That leaves 5 remaining players. In that grouping is a PR value of 6 points (if I'm understanding correctly - Groot was 2 points, and I think somebody said D1 that we had a town PR pool of 8 points?). That means there are at least 2 PR's in that group of 5. Scum know who each other are. They also know if Chairs/MiX are town. And if Chairs/MiX ARE town, then they absolutely want to try and get lynches going amongst the remaining town players.

In a "best" case scenario for scum here, with my exile, I claim/flip a PR. In a "worst" case scenario, with my exile, I claim/flip VT and their pool of players that could be a PR is reduced further. In either case, pushing my exile is a complete win for scum here.

------

But unlike scum, we do not know if MiX/Chairs are telling the truth here or not. I still think MiX was overall fairly townie at the end of the day yesterday, but YMMV. And sure, town cares more about potentially hitting scum than they do about  potentially hitting/outing a PR or not whittling down the potential PR pool for scum to shoot in.

But then my question to Robz/Isis (less so Chairs) is this:

If you're town, do you believe that I have a greater chance of flipping scum than MiX or Chairs? Does the fact that I have a much higher chance of being a PR than either MiX or Chairs play into your consideration at all?

And the question I have for Chairs is:

Do you believe that all three wagons at the end of day were on town, or do you think one of them was scum? If one of them was scum, it has to be MiX, right? Do you think the chances that I flip scum are greater than the chances that all three wagons yesterday were on town?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Galzria on August 05, 2020, 01:31:18 am
Votes on me are bad.

Bad Robz. Bad Isis. Bad Chairs.

Well, Chairs gets off slightly based on my next point, but still.

There are 11 alive right now. 3 of those people are scum. 2 of those have claimed (or essentially claimed) VT. Assume for a moment that neither of them are scum.

That leaves 5 remaining players. In that grouping is a PR value of 6 points (if I'm understanding correctly - Groot was 2 points, and I think somebody said D1 that we had a town PR pool of 8 points?). That means there are at least 2 PR's in that group of 5. Scum know who each other are. They also know if Chairs/MiX are town. And if Chairs/MiX ARE town, then they absolutely want to try and get lynches going amongst the remaining town players.

In a "best" case scenario for scum here, with my exile, I claim/flip a PR. In a "worst" case scenario, with my exile, I claim/flip VT and their pool of players that could be a PR is reduced further. In either case, pushing my exile is a complete win for scum here.

------

But unlike scum, we do not know if MiX/Chairs are telling the truth here or not. I still think MiX was overall fairly townie at the end of the day yesterday, but YMMV. And sure, town cares more about potentially hitting scum than they do about  potentially hitting/outing a PR or not whittling down the potential PR pool for scum to shoot in.

But then my question to Robz/Isis (less so Chairs) is this:

If you're town, do you believe that I have a greater chance of flipping scum than MiX or Chairs? Does the fact that I have a much higher chance of being a PR than either MiX or Chairs play into your consideration at all?

And the question I have for Chairs is:

Do you believe that all three wagons at the end of day were on town, or do you think one of them was scum? If one of them was scum, it has to be MiX, right? Do you think the chances that I flip scum are greater than the chances that all three wagons yesterday were on town?

Apparently I'm bad at math. 11 minus 5 is 6, not 5.  ::)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 05, 2020, 01:54:12 am
This Galz wagon seems too sudden, and 2/3 of them (Robz and Isis) are the same people who were voting for me not long ago, along with Chairs.

I'm not ready to give up suspicion on the MiX/Chairs pairing.

Vote: Chairs
Hi!

I don't think sudden wagons are scummy, and this one isn't even particularly big.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 05, 2020, 01:57:43 am
Bad Robz. Bad Isis. Bad Chairs.
What about Dylan though? Is he not bad?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Galzria on August 05, 2020, 02:01:31 am
Bad Robz. Bad Isis. Bad Chairs.
What about Dylan though? Is he not bad?

Wow. I am just off. First my subtraction, and then this. I read Space's VC and just substituted Chairs for Dylan. No clue why.

Yes - same point as Robz/Isis - and I would like for him to answer the same question I posed to them.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 05, 2020, 02:05:33 am
Vote: Robz

Throwing some votes around as requested.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 05, 2020, 04:45:14 am
I will say that the whole "the focus remains on MiX/chairs so they are likely both town" line of reasoning is pretty awful.

Like sure, that is an explanation. But also:

- if they're 1 scum/1 town - scum doesn't want to abandon the town wagon as that might lead to a situation where the scum is the only viable exile. So the focus remains there.
- if they're both scum - pretty likely that scum is bussing and if that's their strategy then there is no reason to give it up now.

So, this is to those supporting that theory: Start making better arguments.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 05, 2020, 04:47:19 am
2 of those have claimed (or essentially claimed) VT.
I saw MiX's VT claim. Is there one from chairs that I missed? Or is it just the fact that he didn't claim at X-1?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Galzria on August 05, 2020, 07:29:13 am
2 of those have claimed (or essentially claimed) VT.
I saw MiX's VT claim. Is there one from chairs that I missed? Or is it just the fact that he didn't claim at X-1?

He did not explicitly claim, no. But that痴 the working consensus (right or wrong) given his post at X-1 with a decent chance he gets hammered (MiX not on his wagon at that time afterall).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 05, 2020, 11:04:37 am
also the whole bit where I was skummy for going on VCA which would make it seeeeeem like you think Galz is towny.

Now, reads change, and that is fair. But then that is why I asked the question. What changed.

Actually yeah lets go with that - what has changed your read specifically to make galz skum from the time that he was not skum when you started the wagon on me Day 1?

My god, that was a million years ago. What changed is that he's now lurking the way he did in the very last game as scum. And I didn't think he was "not scum" before, I just didn't have a particular scum read on him. It's Galz who advanced the narrative that I was buddying Galz, a town, read... wasn't actually reflective of reality.

And anyway, who cares? You are being really stubborn about this.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 05, 2020, 11:53:46 am
also the whole bit where I was skummy for going on VCA which would make it seeeeeem like you think Galz is towny.

Now, reads change, and that is fair. But then that is why I asked the question. What changed.

Actually yeah lets go with that - what has changed your read specifically to make galz skum from the time that he was not skum when you started the wagon on me Day 1?

My god, that was a million years ago. What changed is that he's now lurking the way he did in the very last game as scum. And I didn't think he was "not scum" before, I just didn't have a particular scum read on him. It's Galz who advanced the narrative that I was buddying Galz, a town, read... wasn't actually reflective of reality.

And anyway, who cares? You are being really stubborn about this.
Yep, who cares about holding people accountable for what they said before? What a silly concept.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 05, 2020, 12:01:41 pm
Missed this:

But then my question to Robz/Isis (less so Chairs) is this:

If you're town, do you believe that I have a greater chance of flipping scum than MiX or Chairs? Does the fact that I have a much higher chance of being a PR than either MiX or Chairs play into your consideration at all?

And the question I have for Chairs is:

Do you believe that all three wagons at the end of day were on town, or do you think one of them was scum? If one of them was scum, it has to be MiX, right? Do you think the chances that I flip scum are greater than the chances that all three wagons yesterday were on town?

Yes, you have a greater chance of flipping scum than MiX or chairs.

You have a higher chance of being a PR, but this is true of everyone who isn't MiX or chairs. Are you saying we can only exile MiX or chairs?

I think all three wagons were on town, or possibly chairs is scum. I'm trying not to entirely discount the possibility that I just got fooled hard by him.

The chances you flip scum... are probably not as great as the chances all three wagons were town? But these things aren't in conflict. Both could be true, or false, or one true and the other false.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 05, 2020, 12:04:25 pm
also the whole bit where I was skummy for going on VCA which would make it seeeeeem like you think Galz is towny.

Now, reads change, and that is fair. But then that is why I asked the question. What changed.

Actually yeah lets go with that - what has changed your read specifically to make galz skum from the time that he was not skum when you started the wagon on me Day 1?

My god, that was a million years ago. What changed is that he's now lurking the way he did in the very last game as scum. And I didn't think he was "not scum" before, I just didn't have a particular scum read on him. It's Galz who advanced the narrative that I was buddying Galz, a town, read... wasn't actually reflective of reality.

And anyway, who cares? You are being really stubborn about this.
Yep, who cares about holding people accountable for what they said before? What a silly concept.

Swowl is holding me accountable for a position I didn't take, his real problem with me is I dared to propose him as an alternative wagon yesterday.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on August 05, 2020, 12:16:10 pm
Vote Count 2.2

Isis (1): MiX
Robz888 (3): EFHW, scolapasta, faust
chairs (2): Swowl, SpaceAnemone
Galzria (4): Robz888, Isis, Dylan32, chairs

Not Voting (1): Galzria

With 11 alive it takes 6 to exile.

Day 2 lasts until 12:30AM FT on Saturday, August 8th, 2020.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 05, 2020, 12:30:05 pm
To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 05, 2020, 12:31:26 pm
I didn't mean to say faust doesn't want to look elsewhere, just referring to his observation that the "we must have had 3 town wagons so we have to look elsewhere" logic is bad.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 05, 2020, 01:25:15 pm
To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.

What's your current read on me, chairs, galz, Isis, and what's your biggest townread?

Back on my PC (feels great), will do VCAs and a reread with it, surely D1 can be solved, and I don't think Galzria is the answer.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 05, 2020, 02:05:18 pm
To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.

What's your current read on me, chairs, galz, Isis, and what's your biggest townread?

Back on my PC (feels great), will do VCAs and a reread with it, surely D1 can be solved, and I don't think Galzria is the answer.

What do you mean, D1 can be solved?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 05, 2020, 02:49:52 pm
unvote. Robz is seeming more town-oriented recently. I'm open to voting Galz or chairs. I would like them to answer my question from awhile back. I'll find it and post it next.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 05, 2020, 02:50:57 pm
Also Isis.

Here's a separate question. How come Galz and Isis were willing to exile MiX the first time he was at X-1 but not the second? Reverse question for Chairs.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 05, 2020, 03:16:54 pm
I legitimately don't understand what you're asking me so you'll need to rephrase it as not "reverse question"
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 05, 2020, 03:17:50 pm
Wait now I think I understand but I disagree with the premise.

I have never been unwilling to exile mix.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 05, 2020, 03:36:36 pm
Also Isis.

Here's a separate question. How come Galz and Isis were willing to exile MiX the first time he was at X-1 but not the second? Reverse question for Chairs.
I don't remember but I feel I have a pretty easy guess that the reason is that my appreciation for mobile wagons and creating readable whimsical shifts was a large enough "tiebreak" against whoever I was voting for


That said I didn't know and/or forgot that MiX hardclaimed VT and am a big fan of mechanically correct play so Vote: MiX

I think it's quite a bit more likely to flip red than chairs but if you disagree digame todo
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 05, 2020, 03:43:29 pm
Also Isis.

Here's a separate question. How come Galz and Isis were willing to exile MiX the first time he was at X-1 but not the second? Reverse question for Chairs.
I don't remember but I feel I have a pretty easy guess that the reason is that my appreciation for mobile wagons and creating readable whimsical shifts was a large enough "tiebreak" against whoever I was voting for


That said I didn't know and/or forgot that MiX hardclaimed VT and am a big fan of mechanically correct play so Vote: MiX

I think it's quite a bit more likely to flip red than chairs but if you disagree digame todo

Given everything else you've done this game, I find it hard to believe you think you need to vote for me now.

What do you think of Galz and Dylan?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 05, 2020, 03:45:35 pm
To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.

What's your current read on me, chairs, galz, Isis, and what's your biggest townread?

Back on my PC (feels great), will do VCAs and a reread with it, surely D1 can be solved, and I don't think Galzria is the answer.

Scum: Mix
null to scum: galz, chairs, Swowl (as a result of recent interactions)
null: Isis, EFHW, scola (legitimately had to look at the vote count to remember they are here)
null to town: Robz < faust (towny start to being here, willing to accept that LL was inactive because IRL busy not scummy) < Space.

The Space townread was a very early gut read. I'm probably going to reread them at some point today to reevaluate that. Robz has been getting townier. Swowl trending down.

ppe a couple
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 05, 2020, 03:49:17 pm
To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.

What's your current read on me, chairs, galz, Isis, and what's your biggest townread?

Back on my PC (feels great), will do VCAs and a reread with it, surely D1 can be solved, and I don't think Galzria is the answer.

What do you mean, D1 can be solved?

I'll get back to you when the VCA's done.

To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.

What's your current read on me, chairs, galz, Isis, and what's your biggest townread?

Back on my PC (feels great), will do VCAs and a reread with it, surely D1 can be solved, and I don't think Galzria is the answer.

Scum: Mix
null to scum: galz, chairs, Swowl (as a result of recent interactions)
null: Isis, EFHW, scola (legitimately had to look at the vote count to remember they are here)
null to town: Robz < faust (towny start to being here, willing to accept that LL was inactive because IRL busy not scummy) < Space.

The Space townread was a very early gut read. I'm probably going to reread them at some point today to reevaluate that. Robz has been getting townier. Swowl trending down.

ppe a couple

Still? Sigh... Why is your readlist upside down? And why do you only have like, 2 townreads?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 05, 2020, 04:21:25 pm
To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.

What's your current read on me, chairs, galz, Isis, and what's your biggest townread?

Back on my PC (feels great), will do VCAs and a reread with it, surely D1 can be solved, and I don't think Galzria is the answer.

What do you mean, D1 can be solved?

I'll get back to you when the VCA's done.

To answer Galz's question for chairs but really me: No. I've been pretty clear MiX is my biggest scum read, but as people have made it abundantly clear (foolishly so imho), everyone (seemingly except faust) seems to want to look elsewhere. You were as good a target for a wagon as any of my non!MiX reads.

What's your current read on me, chairs, galz, Isis, and what's your biggest townread?

Back on my PC (feels great), will do VCAs and a reread with it, surely D1 can be solved, and I don't think Galzria is the answer.

Scum: Mix
null to scum: galz, chairs, Swowl (as a result of recent interactions)
null: Isis, EFHW, scola (legitimately had to look at the vote count to remember they are here)
null to town: Robz < faust (towny start to being here, willing to accept that LL was inactive because IRL busy not scummy) < Space.

The Space townread was a very early gut read. I'm probably going to reread them at some point today to reevaluate that. Robz has been getting townier. Swowl trending down.

ppe a couple

Still? Sigh... Why is your readlist upside down? And why do you only have like, 2 townreads?

1. I still think your D1 is still the scummiest thing that's happened. You've done nothing that changes that impression. I don't think it's particularly like that all 3 wagons were on town.
2. No you.
3. Half of the people in this game have barely done anything, let alone anything that gives a strong read one way or the other, hence the multitude of null and null-to-whatever reads.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Swowl on August 05, 2020, 06:05:09 pm
also the whole bit where I was skummy for going on VCA which would make it seeeeeem like you think Galz is towny.

Now, reads change, and that is fair. But then that is why I asked the question. What changed.

Actually yeah lets go with that - what has changed your read specifically to make galz skum from the time that he was not skum when you started the wagon on me Day 1?

My god, that was a million years ago. What changed is that he's now lurking the way he did in the very last game as scum. And I didn't think he was "not scum" before, I just didn't have a particular scum read on him. It's Galz who advanced the narrative that I was buddying Galz, a town, read... wasn't actually reflective of reality.

And anyway, who cares? You are being really stubborn about this.
Yep, who cares about holding people accountable for what they said before? What a silly concept.

Swowl is holding me accountable for a position I didn't take, his real problem with me is I dared to propose him as an alternative wagon yesterday.

I am holding you accountable for the culmination of interconnected reasons that I listed. And if I was being "stubborn" I would be voting for you. Suspicious of you? Sure. But not enough to come at you given how things are trending right now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 05, 2020, 07:25:34 pm
I re-read Galz, and while it hasn't exactly solved the game for me, I do think he's on the town side of null at least. I may even have read him with a slight scum bias when I was considering his three-person wagon and wondering what everyone else was seeing.

My comments on his early interactions were that they seemed carefee enough, and that he was engaging with a lot of different people. At #311 I noted that he made another post about fluff posting, which I think took him over the amount of time I'd spent being frustrated at it, and yet I seem to be the one Robz is giving scumpoints to for that.
There was a whole thing with Galz accusing Robz of scummy buddying, and other people playing the is-it-town-v-town game. I foudn the weirdest bit of that the post where he emphasized that their back-and-forth is all tongue-in-cheek, while also acknowledging that it doesn't read that way to the rest of us.
I questioned whether he was over-explaining his joining of the Joth wagon at #491. He was only pushing Joth to X-2 for the first time.
He moved to a phase of pushing MiX hard over the scummy MiX-Chairs dynamic, voting MiX for a while, then changing his tune and sitting back on Joth's wagon.
By the EoD, he was promoting a town!MiX and town!Chairs scenario, and was pushing a scum!Robz and scum!Joth theory.

Given that Joth flipped town, and the Robz-Joth thing was meant to involve a partner element, I would have expected his scumread on Robz to tail off a bit into D2, but now he's saying Robz is still up there, along with Chairs again now and Isis.

I find Robz scummy most of the time by default, and I agree that Chairs is where votes should be going. So all in all, there's a bunch of stuff that I don't quite get exactly about Galz's play, but I think his ideas are more aligned with mine than not. I'm not super-interested in voting him today, especially if Chairs is still on the table.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 05, 2020, 09:09:15 pm
But I'm not on the table. I'm under it, neatly put away.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Galzria on August 05, 2020, 10:13:04 pm
But I'm not on the table. I'm under it, neatly put away.

Let痴 unbox you. Vote: Chairs

I don稚 believe that all three wagons were on Town. I feel like there痴 been a decent trend recently where we either exile scum D1, or nearly do. It feels like rarely are we absolutely, completely off. And given that we had 3 very viable wagons, the struggle to make any of them happen just doesn稚 sit right.

I think Chairs is scum before MiX. If you disagree strongly (Dylan), convince me otherwise.

I also still read Robz as scum. There痴 little that he痴 posted that I致e felt comes from a townie place. It痴 a wagon I could get behind.

EFHW, Scola & Isis I need/want to iso/reread. Everyone else I知 keeping my opinions about to myself right now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 12:25:25 am
You... box your chairs? I just tuck them under the table when I'm not sitting in them.

I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town (but I'm also coming at it knowing that 2/3 are definitely Town and this I only have to decide if MiX is more likely Town or Mafia).

I feel like looping back to this line of thought is pretty scummy though.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 06, 2020, 03:09:46 am
I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town
I have no idea what this means.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 07:34:41 am
I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town
I have no idea what this means.

If you pick three random people from the game, the likelihood of picking one scum is fairly low on D1. We have 13 this game? So it's 3/13 plus 3/12 plus 3/11 chance that at least one is scum... wait I'm wrong, I just did the math and it's like 75 percent chance we did find one scum in a triple pile. We know Joth was Town, and I know I am Town, and the monte hall problem means MiX has a 75 percent chance or so of being scum then.

Vote: mix
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 06, 2020, 07:39:28 am
Dylan is obvtown
I don't know what Galzria is
I want to flip something
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 06, 2020, 07:39:48 am
I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town
I have no idea what this means.

If you pick three random people from the game, the likelihood of picking one scum is fairly low on D1. We have 13 this game? So it's 3/13 plus 3/12 plus 3/11 chance that at least one is scum... wait I'm wrong, I just did the math and it's like 75 percent chance we did find one scum in a triple pile. We know Joth was Town, and I know I am Town, and the monte hall problem means MiX has a 75 percent chance or so of being scum then.

Vote: mix
I don't know how you think Monty Hall enters into this problem, but it doesn't.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 07:39:58 am
My math is crazy wrong but I don't know the right formula, googling now
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 07:44:22 am
I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town
I have no idea what this means.

If you pick three random people from the game, the likelihood of picking one scum is fairly low on D1. We have 13 this game? So it's 3/13 plus 3/12 plus 3/11 chance that at least one is scum... wait I'm wrong, I just did the math and it's like 75 percent chance we did find one scum in a triple pile. We know Joth was Town, and I know I am Town, and the monte hall problem means MiX has a 75 percent chance or so of being scum then.

Vote: mix
I don't know how you think Monty Hall enters into this problem, but it doesn't.

So I think my math is wrong but that we have something like a 60 percent chance for a "hit" on scum over three "pulls". Since pull one (joth) is now confirmed Town, that should spread that chance over the two of mix and me, and since -I- know I'm Town that would take my probability of being scum and transfer to mix. I don't see how that isn't relevant to this situation but I am at least providing my thoughts even if I'm doing something wrong - better to let someone correct me than to keep the ideas to myself.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 06, 2020, 07:57:31 am
I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town
I have no idea what this means.

If you pick three random people from the game, the likelihood of picking one scum is fairly low on D1. We have 13 this game? So it's 3/13 plus 3/12 plus 3/11 chance that at least one is scum... wait I'm wrong, I just did the math and it's like 75 percent chance we did find one scum in a triple pile. We know Joth was Town, and I know I am Town, and the monte hall problem means MiX has a 75 percent chance or so of being scum then.

Vote: mix
I don't know how you think Monty Hall enters into this problem, but it doesn't.

So I think my math is wrong but that we have something like a 60 percent chance for a "hit" on scum over three "pulls". Since pull one (joth) is now confirmed Town, that should spread that chance over the two of mix and me, and since -I- know I'm Town that would take my probability of being scum and transfer to mix. I don't see how that isn't relevant to this situation but I am at least providing my thoughts even if I'm doing something wrong - better to let someone correct me than to keep the ideas to myself.
Intiuitively: Assuming the choice of 3 wagons on D1 was random (which is your assumption for this), it makes no sense that whether or not the RNG picked MiX has any bearing on his chance to be scum.

More rigorously: We start by picking a subset of 3 random players. According to the information available at the time, each has a 3/13 chance of being scum, and in total that adds up to a like 60% chance of the whole group containing a scum. Now one of those players flips town. This changes the information we have and excludes some scenarios, like all 3 being scum. So based on that new knowledge, the chance that there is a scum among the rest is actually just the chance that 2 random people contain a scum (adjusted for the fact that 1 town has already flipped). You cannot take that new information - the town flip - and apply it to chances calculated with outdated information.

Monty Hall works because we know for sure that one of the doors has the price. But this is not the case in our scenario.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 08:05:54 am
FWIW I think the correct math is to figure out the chance or picking 3 Town which is 10/13 times 9/12 times 8/11. Wolfram alpha says that is roughly 42 percent, this 58 percent of the time we picked at least one scum. We initially assign the scum chance equally to all three wagons (well, I obviously would split it between joth and mix but I'm looking at it from an outside observation for a moment here) and then joth flips town. This doesn't make us less likely to have picked at least one scum wagon - it just transfers the probability to mix and myself (hence Monty hall). Now that means each of mix and myself are combined a 58 percent scum chance for at least one of us to be scum, and since I know I'm Town that throws my personal view as mix has better than even odds to flip scum.

For what it's worth, the current odds that any given person is scum for a Town person is 30 percent (3 in 10) and if you assume mix and I are in fact both town then for a non us town member the remaining people have a whopping 3 in 8 chance. The big problem is that wagons aren't actually random draws so there's only so much we can do with probability here
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 08:06:34 am
I suppose you might be right about Monty hall - pulling up khan on it later.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 06, 2020, 08:12:22 am
This doesn't make us less likely to have picked at least one scum wagon
Yes it does.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 06, 2020, 08:15:02 am
If I take 3 dice, roll the first one and it's not a 6, does that make it more likely that one of the remaining 2 will roll a 6? That seems to be what you are claiming here.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 06, 2020, 08:25:23 am
I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town
I have no idea what this means.

If you pick three random people from the game, the likelihood of picking one scum is fairly low on D1. We have 13 this game? So it's 3/13 plus 3/12 plus 3/11 chance that at least one is scum... wait I'm wrong, I just did the math and it's like 75 percent chance we did find one scum in a triple pile. We know Joth was Town, and I know I am Town, and the monte hall problem means MiX has a 75 percent chance or so of being scum then.

Vote: mix

Me and my top 2 (well, not top 2, but 2 out of my top 3) scumreads have better odds of having scum than not. Although taking away Isis from this does plummet the chances from around 80% to something above 50%.

Also, lol, that math is gloriously wrong. Everyone would have a 75% chance of being scum that way. You need to know how many scum are in a set to apply Monty Hall, and clearly if you're town it would give a 100% chance of me being scum.

What's important here is that chairs moved his vote over this """logic""" and that's just making me scratch my head intensively. Is that even scummy?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 08:26:27 am
If I take a bag with 13 marbles and 3 are red, what are the odds of me pulling at least one red marble out if I grab 3 at the same time is what I'm claiming. If the odds are 58 percent and then I get to look at one of the marbles that I pulled out (which my selection is now stuck in time - I can't swap marbles and all three have been pulled already) and it's not red how does that impact my further chances
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 08:28:20 am
I personally think the law of averages favors the D1 wagons being all Town
I have no idea what this means.

If you pick three random people from the game, the likelihood of picking one scum is fairly low on D1. We have 13 this game? So it's 3/13 plus 3/12 plus 3/11 chance that at least one is scum... wait I'm wrong, I just did the math and it's like 75 percent chance we did find one scum in a triple pile. We know Joth was Town, and I know I am Town, and the monte hall problem means MiX has a 75 percent chance or so of being scum then.

Vote: mix

Me and my top 2 (well, not top 2, but 2 out of my top 3) scumreads have better odds of having scum than not. Although taking away Isis from this does plummet the chances from around 80% to something above 50%.

Also, lol, that math is gloriously wrong. Everyone would have a 75% chance of being scum that way. You need to know how many scum are in a set to apply Monty Hall, and clearly if you're town it would give a 100% chance of me being scum.

What's important here is that chairs moved his vote over this """logic""" and that's just making me scratch my head intensively. Is that even scummy?

"You need to know how many scum are in a set to apply Monty hall" is probably the bit here that I'm missing - I thought I could basically say "there's x chance of scum in this set" and then apply that chance as flips happened but if we have to KNOW the prize is behind one of the doors it's different
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 08:30:22 am
Yeah confirmed I'm a dumb and Monty hall definitely doesn't apply

Unvote
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: MiX on August 06, 2020, 08:30:44 am
If I take a bag with 13 marbles and 3 are red, what are the odds of me pulling at least one red marble out if I grab 3 at the same time is what I'm claiming. If the odds are 58 percent and then I get to look at one of the marbles that I pulled out (which my selection is now stuck in time - I can't swap marbles and all three have been pulled already) and it's not red how does that impact my further chances

"You need to know how many scum are in a set to apply Monty hall" is probably the bit here that I'm missing - I thought I could basically say "there's x chance of scum in this set" and then apply that chance as flips happened but if we have to KNOW the prize is behind one of the doors it's different

Can we not argue probability? How the hell do you catch scum like that? Here's a maximum everyone should learn: "If the probability argument helps you make a decision, it's wrong". You can't use cold hard deduction in mafia, that enough should be obvious, so stop applying logical processes to things. You should instead apply intuitive probabilities to events (like "1 scum's on the joth wagon) and work from there. If you take the literal probability, you just end up with everyone as a null read.

Yeah confirmed I'm a dumb and Monty hall definitely doesn't apply

Unvote

Who were you voting before?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 08:32:34 am
I don't know, Galz I think?

He's since shown up a bit though.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 06, 2020, 08:37:58 am
Chairs is acting scummy, enjoying arguments that are easier to play with as scum
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 06, 2020, 10:32:39 am
Bad math feels like it should be scummy. Makes me want to vote for chairs.

But I don't think it is actually scummy. Since it's easy to be shown wrong, not actually lead anywhere.

On another note, sorry I haven't been around much the past few days, though I have not lurked like others for the entirety of the game. A tree fell on my car, so been dealing with that / generally unhappy about it. Good news is it looks like it is covered; bad news will take 2.5 weeks (!)

Vote: Dylan

Have a work meeting now, so will add more after, but wanted to get it out there, see what others think.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 06, 2020, 10:43:52 am
Bad math feels like it should be scummy. Makes me want to vote for chairs.

But I don't think it is actually scummy. Since it's easy to be shown wrong, not actually lead anywhere.

On another note, sorry I haven't been around much the past few days, though I have not lurked like others for the entirety of the game. A tree fell on my car, so been dealing with that / generally unhappy about it. Good news is it looks like it is covered; bad news will take 2.5 weeks (!)

Vote: Dylan

Have a work meeting now, so will add more after, but wanted to get it out there, see what others think.

Really sorry about your car!

Why Dylan, though?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 06, 2020, 10:44:31 am
Have we ever established that math/probability based arguments are more likely to come from scum? I genuinely can't recall.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 06, 2020, 10:47:26 am
Have we ever established that math/probability based arguments are more likely to come from scum? I genuinely can't recall.
I don't know, it seems like establishing that would require some kind of probability based argument and I'm afraid to use them now.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 10:48:49 am
Have we ever established that math/probability based arguments are more likely to come from scum? I genuinely can't recall.
I don't know, it seems like establishing that would require some kind of probability based argument and I'm afraid to use them now.

 :D ;D
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Robz888 on August 06, 2020, 10:53:28 am
Have we ever established that math/probability based arguments are more likely to come from scum? I genuinely can't recall.
I don't know, it seems like establishing that would require some kind of probability based argument and I'm afraid to use them now.

Make three arguments, we know that one of them has to be right.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 06, 2020, 11:00:21 am
Have we ever established that math/probability based arguments are more likely to come from scum? I genuinely can't recall.
I don't know, it seems like establishing that would require some kind of probability based argument and I'm afraid to use them now.

Make three arguments, we know that one of them has to be right.

 ;D

Yeah, the write more later meant I would explain my vote.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 06, 2020, 11:35:53 am
OK, so my Dylan vote:

I'll admit it's not super strong, but I feel like I have two choices:

MiX / chairs: Like I've said, I'm now leaning more town for Mix, based on D2. I'm. not sure they'll ever be a game where I fully believe anything, but that's where I am for now this game. Similar with chairs, though more null, I guess. I think the bad math was not scummy.

Other: I don't love the galz wagon. I am still fine with Robz vote, but that doesn't seem to be getting any traction. So thought I'd throw out someone new. It comes from the discussion about scum daychat earlier - I believe it was Dylan that started suspecting lurkers, then in a later post, had something about me specifically  - "I didn't even realize he was in this game". And that just seemed off. While I haven't posted much in the past few days (I'll add an image of my poor car at the end of this), I don't fit in the lurker bucket.

(https://i.imgur.com/09BLx6L.jpg)
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (Night 0)
Post by: mail-mi on August 06, 2020, 12:09:20 pm
Vote Count 2.3

Isis (1): MiX
Robz888 (1): faust
chairs (3): Swowl, SpaceAnemone, Galzria
Galzria (2): Robz888, Dylan32
MiX (1): Isis
Dylan32 (1): scolapasta
 
Not Voting (2): EFHW, chairs

With 11 alive it takes 6 to exile.

Day 2 lasts until 12:30AM FT on Saturday, August 8th, 2020 - note that this is different than in the opening D2 post. 23.5 hours were added because of faust's subbing in.

Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: chairs on August 06, 2020, 12:10:27 pm
Vote: efhw
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 06, 2020, 12:56:32 pm
OK, so my Dylan vote:

I'll admit it's not super strong, but I feel like I have two choices:

MiX / chairs: Like I've said, I'm now leaning more town for Mix, based on D2. I'm. not sure they'll ever be a game where I fully believe anything, but that's where I am for now this game. Similar with chairs, though more null, I guess. I think the bad math was not scummy.

Other: I don't love the galz wagon. I am still fine with Robz vote, but that doesn't seem to be getting any traction. So thought I'd throw out someone new. It comes from the discussion about scum daychat earlier - I believe it was Dylan that started suspecting lurkers, then in a later post, had something about me specifically  - "I didn't even realize he was in this game". And that just seemed off. While I haven't posted much in the past few days (I'll add an image of my poor car at the end of this), I don't fit in the lurker bucket.

(https://i.imgur.com/09BLx6L.jpg)

You might have been posting some, but I didn't (actually still don't aside from your vote on me) remember a single game related stance or post of yours. Everyone else has at the very least one conversation or interaction that I remember, but not so with you.  Not saying you haven't had any, just that they haven't stuck in my memory and as such you've been almost entirely off my radar. Obviously, this means I need to reread you.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 06, 2020, 12:57:00 pm
Also, sorry about the car. That sucks, but glad it's being taken care of.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 06, 2020, 12:59:17 pm
Oh no, I'm missing maths stuff! Sorry for being absent today.. am currently swamped by work, and I've got evening plans that mean I won't be on properly till late.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Dylan32 on August 06, 2020, 01:20:15 pm
Ok, move scola to a middling town read. Forgot about the T-7 second hammer.  I think it's fairly likely scum just wouldn't hammer there if they weren't already on wagon once it got that close. Aside from that, I think he's been pretty similar to town!scola from a previous game I was in with him.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 06, 2020, 06:11:33 pm
Well that maths was anticlimactic :-( I agree with the 58% chance thing, assuming the three people you pick D1 are drawn at random. Also agree it's nothing Monty Hall-esque.

I do feel like the significant thing about the D1 wagons is just how resistant they were to going the distance.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 06, 2020, 06:19:28 pm
Have we ever established that math/probability based arguments are more likely to come from scum? I genuinely can't recall.

That's got to be highly player-dependent, surely? Maybe for some people it's indicative. I think I'd get less mathsy as scum, rather than more mathsy, but I can't really remember. I did once feel super-confident in having caught faust as scum through a logic-and-wagons argument, and the fact that he was arguing against my case using "logic" that didn't totally make sense. Not making logical mathematical sense is the thing I consider a scumtell for faust. (He checks out fine so far this game, though he's not really been here long).
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 06, 2020, 06:20:59 pm
(I'll add an image of my poor car at the end of this)

Yipes, that looks really scary. Glad you're okay modulo all the car hassle.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 06, 2020, 09:38:33 pm
Vote: efhw

Yeah, I'm sorry. My real life just got a lot more full of politics, making me have less energy for mafia.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: EFHW on August 06, 2020, 09:41:16 pm
Looks like I mostly missed math which is too dense (or I am too dense) for the moment.

vote: Galzria. I'm ridiculously tired right now, though. Might change my mind tomorrow.
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: scolapasta on August 06, 2020, 10:38:19 pm
I just looked at the count - we have two people at 3 votes and a bunch of 1's and not a lot of posting.

I still don't like the idea of exiling lurkers just for lurking, but I don't know anymore. Seems like it'd be a good move for scum right now to do that, since nothing's really happening.

Between the two wagons, if I need to move, still prefer chairs to galz. Anyone willing to help me understand the case on galz? Anyone interested in joining me on Dylan?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: Isis on August 07, 2020, 12:53:58 am
I kind of prefer chairs to galzria as a guttake but I have no interest in touching Dylan this phase
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: SpaceAnemone on August 07, 2020, 06:21:57 am
Obviously I prefer Chairs to Galz.

What even is the case on Dylan?
Title: Re: M129: Marvel Mafia 2 (D2)
Post by: faust on August 07, 2020, 06:34:16 am