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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: faust on May 14, 2020, 10:58:04 am
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Welcome to M127: Customer Service Hotline Mafia!
Mod: faust co-mod: MiX
You can choose one of three of my old original setups for a rerun. They have different player counts; the first to /in are the first to decide.
Players:
1. mail-mi
2. SpaceAnemone
3. WestCoastDidds
4. yuma
5. LaLight
6. Joseph2302
7. Calamitas
8. scolapasta
9. 2.71828.....
10. A Drowned Kernel
11. DatSwan
12. Dylan32
Spectators tagged: cayvie
Day starts/ends:
General rules
Changes to the usual rule sets are marked in olive.
The Golden Rule:
Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Please read The Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0) before signing up for any mafia game on this site. If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play. Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.
1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:
1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any game-related source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings and the QTs specifically designed for this purpose.
3. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 24 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.
2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:
1. Day phases will last 7 days, Twilight lasts 12 hours, Night lasts at least 36 hours.
2. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for a lynch to occur prior to deadline.
3. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
4. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until the mod locks the thread; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, there will be no lynch.
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName. Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax! Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or night kill, town wins.
10. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in Quicktopics. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
11. If the thread is locked, you may not post. Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post. The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked.
3. Miscellaneous/Mechanics:
1. Bold, olive text is reserved for the mod. No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please discuss this in your role QT. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request after 24 hours of no activity. A prodded player has 48 hours to respond or risks replacement. A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under rule 3.9 without further notice.
6. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game. Do not discuss this game in any thread that is not directly related to it.
7. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, which may include modkill(s) if needed.
8. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging. Players who fail to post for 48 hours without an announcement, or fail to post for 24 hours repeatedly, risk being subject to replacement and/or being modkilled without further notice.
9. Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread. A request to /out must only be done via a post in the role QT. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique. (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed. Whether your request to /out will lead to replacement or a modkill is up to the mod's discretion.
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The setups to choose from:
Blink Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12515.msg460623#msg460623)
faust9++ (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16564.msg656701#msg656701)
Night Vale Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17443.msg709711#msg709711)
You chose faust9++!
Setup:
faust9++ is a semi-open setup for 12 players. Setup generation is a randomized process that is open and explained below.
All games include a Universal Back-Up. Scum factional powers always include a 1-night Switch. The remaining 11 roles are determined by rolling six random numbers from 1-10. Each roll is separate. The following number ranges are assigned letters as shown:
1-4: T (Townie. This directly influences scum power roles.)
5: I (Investigative)
6: B (Blocking)
7: P (Protective)
8: K (Killing)
9: V (Voting)
10: W (Wildcard)
After the letters have been assigned, the mod refers to the list below to determine which power roles are included.
Investigative Roles
I = Tracker
II = Watcher
III = Tracker, Watcher
IIII = Tracker, Tracker, Watcher
IIIII = Tracker, Watcher, Watcher
IIIIII = Tracker, Tracker, Watcher, Watcher
Blocking Roles
B = Roleblocker
BB = Jailkeeper
BBB = Roleblocker, Roleblocker
BBBB = Roleblocker, Jailkeeper
BBBBB = Jailkeeper, Jailkeeper
BBBBBB = Jailkeeper, Jailkeeper, Roleblocker
Protective Roles
P = Virgin OR Bodyguard OR 1-shot Commuter*
PP = Virgin, Bodyguard
PPP = 1-shot Commuter, Bodyguard
PPPP = 1-shot Commuter, Virgin, Bodyguard
PPPPP = 1-shot Commuter, 1-shot Commuter, Bodyguard
PPPPPP = 1-shot Commuter, 1-shot Commuter, 1-shot Commuter, Bodyguard
Killing Roles
K = 1-night PGO
KK = Vigilante
KKK = 1-night PGO, Vigilante
KKKK = 1-night PGO, 1-night PGO, Vigilante
KKKKK = 1-night PGO, Vigilante, Vigilante
KKKKKK = 1-night PGO, 1-night PGO, Vigilante, Vigilante
Voting Roles
V** = Restess Spirit
VV = 1-shot Governor
VVV = Restless Spirit, 1-shot Governor
VVVV = Restless Spirit, Restless Spirit
VVVVV = Restless Spirit, Restless Spirit, 1-shot Governor
VVVVVV = Restless Spirit, Restless Spirit, 1-shot Governor, 1-shot Governor
Wildcard Roles
For the wildcard slot, the number of Ws is determined. Then a random other category (I, B, P, K or V) is determined and roles are added as though that number of that character had been rolled. Example:
The roll is WWWBBT. The random category determined is also B. This adds to the game:
1 Jailkeeper (from BB) + 2 Roleblockers (from BBB)
Scum Roles (In addition to the factional 1-night Switch)
TTTTTT = Goon, Goon, Goon
TTTTT = Goon, Goon, Goon; Hidden Ascetic***
TTTT = Roleblocker, 1-shot Ninja, Goon
TTT = Roleblocker, 1-shot Ninja, Goon; Hidden Ascetic***
TT = Roleblocker, 2-shot Ninja, Strongman
T = Roleblocker, 2-shot Ninja, Strongman; Hidden Ascetic***
0 Ts = Roleblocker, 2-shot Ninja, Strongman; Hidden Ascetic***
After power roles are determined from the table above, Vanilla Townies are added to arrive at 12 players.
* "Or" roles are determined randomly
** Single V rolls result in the Universal Backup converting to a Restless Spirit
*** In some cases, scum receives a Hidden Ascetic. This means that one scum player is randomly Ascetic. They are not informed about this. The role flips upon death.
Clarifications:
--If a 1-Shot PR is the first PR to die, the UB will inherit that role, even if the shot was used up. The UB will not receive a new shot. They will know if they have a shot remaining.
--If the Universal Backup converts to a Restless Spirit due to a single V roll, that player will not be informed of the conversion.
--If there is a single V roll and a single W roll that converts to V, the UB will not be converted and there will be a single Restless Spirit.
--The Universal Backup can never inherit a Restless Spirit's power.
--The Mafia factional 1-night Switch vanillaises all roles in one of the above categories (I, B, P, K, V) that the mafia chooses in one night and the following day and twilight. Wildcard roles count as their respective category. This action cannot be blocked.
--Twilight starts immediately after a lynch succeeded, even without mod confirmation.
--The mafia QT opens at the start of Twilight and closes at the start of the Day.
--A player targeted by both Bodyguard and Strongman will die, but the Bodguard will live.
--Scum actions take precedence over town actions in the action resolution chain if they are of the same category.
-- If the Universal Backup inherits the powers of a Virgin, if that power has already triggered a Night without nightkill, it cannot be triggered again. Otherwise, they count as a Virgin, and only Roleblocker targeting from the time they received the power can disable it. It always starts enabled, no matter whether the previous Virgin had been targeted.
Role PMs
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Vanilla Townie!
You have no special powers.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are the Universal Backup!
The first time a power role dies, you will inherit their abilities.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Tracker!
Each night, you may target 1 player. At the end of the night, you will receive a list of all players that your target targeted that night.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Watcher!
Each night, you may target 1 player. At the end of the night, you will receive a list of all players that targeted your target that night.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Roleblocker!
Each night, you may target 1 player. Each action that player takes that night or the following Twilight will be blocked.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Jailkeeper!
Each night, you may target 1 player. Each action that player takes that night or the following Twilight will be blocked. Any killing role targeting your target will fail.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Virgin!
If you killed during the night, the following night the mafia's nightkill will be blocked. Your power is permanently lost if you are targeted by a Roleblocker.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Bodyguard!
Each night, you may target 1 player. If that player is targeted by a nightkill, you die instead.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a 1-shot Commuter!
Once in the game, at night, you may choose to commute. If you do, any action targeting you that night will be blocked.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a 1-night Paranoid Gun Owner!
Once during the game, at night, you may choose to activate your power. If you do, all players targeting you that night will die.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Vigilante!
Each night, you may target 1 plaer. That player will die.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a Restless Spirit!
After you have died, you may still vote in the thread, but you may not make any other posts.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are a 1-shot Governor!
Once during the game, at Twilight, you may choose to activiate your power. If you do, the player with the most votes will not die.
You win when all mafia-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one town-aligned player left alive.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia Goon!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia Roleblocker!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
Each night, you may target one other player. Any action that player takes that night will be blocked. You may use this in addition to the factional kill.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia 1-shot Ninja!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
Once in the game, at night, you may choose to use your Ninja power. If you do and perform the factional kill that night, no investigative roles will be able to see your action. Additionally, you cannot trigger a Paranoid Gun Owner.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia 2-shot Ninja!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
Twice in the game, at night, you may choose to use your Ninja power. If you do and perform the factional kill that night, no investigative roles will be able to see your action. Additionally, you cannot trigger a Paranoid Gun Owner.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
Welcome, [player name]!
You are [flavor name], the Mafia Strongman!
At night, you may talk with your buddies in a shared QT: [link]
If you perform your faction's kill, no protective role targeting your target (Jailkeeper or Bodyguard) can save them.
You win when all town-aligned players are dead, and there is at least one mafia-aligned player left alive, or nothing can stop that from happening.
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/in, vote: faust9++
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/in for faust9++ :-)
I haven't read either the Blink or Nightvale games, but they both sound like neat setups too.
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/in No preference because they all predate me! :)
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/co-mod
Am I doing this right.
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/in i'll review and post preference later.
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/in for faust9++
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/in faust9++
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/in iff LaLight and Space in! Good 'ol times!
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/in I'll review later, as well, so for now - no preference
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/in iff LaLight and Space in! Good 'ol times!
Voting for Blink Mafia I think, sounds fun and analytic! :D
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*We are at hammer -1*
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*We are at hammer -1*
Too much markdown, too little forum Hammer -1
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/in
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/in
Faust 9++
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Oh gosh this took like 1.5 hours to get from zero to full.
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Well, votes are
Faust 9++: 5
Blink: 1
No pref / undecided: 3
faust 9++ is for 12, so room for 3 more!
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/in
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Preference is for faust9++
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Well, votes are
Faust 9++: 5
Blink: 1
No pref / undecided: 3
faust 9++ is for 12, so room for 3 more!
upsi, I assumed faust 9++ was for 9 players :D The name seemed so suggestive :D
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/in or /tag whatever is needed
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@Faust, is 1-shot commuter better than virgin?
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If there's an extra spot, /in. If not, I'm available to sub if needed.
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If there's an extra spot, /in. If not, I'm available to sub if needed.
Nice, another one of the 2016 gang :D
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
Ah you're back! I also met you IRL
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
Ah you're back! I also met you IRL
Didn't see you where in the game! True that!
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
And don't forget faust :-)
Also, I met WCD last summer in Budapest... f.ds is quite full of lovely people!
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
And don't forget faust :-)
Also, I met WCD last summer in Budapest... f.ds is quite full of lovely people!
Nice! And silver and gkrieg of course
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
And don't forget faust :-)
Also, I met WCD last summer in Budapest... f.ds is quite full of lovely people!
Nice! And silver and gkrieg of course
Yup!! Can you talk them into /inning for this game as well? :-)
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
And don't forget faust :-)
Also, I met WCD last summer in Budapest... f.ds is quite full of lovely people!
Nice! And silver and gkrieg of course
Yup!! Can you talk them into /inning for this game as well? :-)
We are full, otherwise I definitely would try!
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Oh gosh this took like 1.5 hours to get from zero to full.
That’s how it went in the old days :P
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Btw, just to make things clear: I know Space and LaLight in person and am in general a much nicer person than a few years ago!
Don't scumread me for things related to either ;D
And don't forget faust :-)
Also, I met WCD last summer in Budapest... f.ds is quite full of lovely people!
Nice! And silver and gkrieg of course
Yup!! Can you talk them into /inning for this game as well? :-)
We are full, otherwise I definitely would try!
They could always /in to Stormlight lol
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They could always /in to Stormlight lol
Sham (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20258)eless self promotion.
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They could always /in to Stormlight lol
Sham (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20258)eless self promotion.
You know it.
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I'll vote blink but will play anything
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Cool. I think we have a majority for faust9++!
I'll work on finalizing everything, and thinking about some kind of flavor.
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@Faust, is 1-shot commuter better than virgin?
In this case I think yes, since 1-shot Commuter can avoid Mafia Strongman, but Virgin doesn't block it.
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/tag for speccy
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@Faust, is 1-shot commuter better than virgin?
In this case I think yes, since 1-shot Commuter can avoid Mafia Strongman, but Virgin doesn't block it.
Sorry, I did not have all the details in mind. Indeed, Virgin will block a Strongman kill, it is still weaker since a Roleblocker targeting a Virgin will cancel their power.
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@faust: Can you add the PMs to this thread so we don't have to always go to the other one
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@faust, can the ub inherit virgin powers?
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@faust, can the ub inherit virgin powers?
To me, the intuitive thing would be that the ub does inherit, but the virgin is considered a 1-shot. So if she was nk'ed, ub inherits without the shot, but if she was lynched, ub would get the shot.
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@faust, can the ub inherit virgin powers?
I added a clarification. Short answer: yes, it is basically considered a 1-shot. However, a shot will be inherited even if the previous Virgin had been roleblocked before.
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Do Trackers and Watchers get different results for being blocked and seeing nothing?
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Do Trackers and Watchers get different results for being blocked and seeing nothing?
Yes. "No result" for blocking and "noone" for no targeting.
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I will send out PMs now. Please note the following:
- only town PRs get individual QTs
- town players have no flavor names.
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Night 0 begins now. THREAD LOCKED except for tags.
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/tag
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The game will start tomorrow morning.
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faust was very excited to show off his new SmartHome Kitchen-o-matic 9001 to all his friends. Everyone was there, and faust went to the machine, showing off how easily the machine could, among other things, make coffee.
He pressed the buttons. He waited. But nothing happened.
"Just wait a second!", he said, "they are supposed to have an excellent customer support."
Day 1 begins!
Vote Count 1.0
Not Voting (12): mail-mi, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, yuma, LaLight, Joseph2302, Calamitas, scolapasta, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, DatSwan, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
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I'm the SK
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Vote: Space for RL Mafia 1
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I missed you Joseph :D vote: Joseph
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I missed you Joseph :D vote: Joseph
vote: calamitas I don't think I've played with you before
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Vote: ADK
I want Calamitas alive at least long enough to do all the obsessive role inference stuff with me :-P
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vote: Space
vote: Calamitas
e x c i t i n g!!!!
ahem
good morning
vote: Joseph
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Happy to be in a game with you again, LL <3
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Side question : is quicklynching Joseph a good way to get out of RVS?
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Happy to be in a game with you again, LL <3
yes! and now you're here not because I died!
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Side question : is quicklynching Joseph a good way to get out of RVS?
I'm up
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vote: Space
vote: Calamitas
e x c i t i n g!!!!
ahem
good morning
vote: Joseph
Hold on, are you already up or are you still up?
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Vote: ADK
I want Calamitas alive at least long enough to do all the obsessive role inference stuff with me :-P
<3
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vote: Space
vote: Calamitas
e x c i t i n g!!!!
ahem
good morning
vote: Joseph
Hold on, are you already up or are you still up?
just got up :D
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I missed you Joseph :D vote: Joseph
vote: calamitas I don't think I've played with you before
You were clearly not here in the official peak of forum mafia :P
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I missed you Joseph :D vote: Joseph
vote: calamitas I don't think I've played with you before
You were clearly not here in the official peak of forum mafia :P
emojis are scummy :) :D
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I missed you Joseph :D vote: Joseph
vote: calamitas I don't think I've played with you before
You were clearly not here in the official peak of forum mafia :P
emojis are scummy :) :D
Then I'm always scum on Telegram ;-)
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Hi hi hi hi hi!
I’ve also never played with Calamitas, and I for sure missed the heydays of f.ds but am totally here for the RESURGENCE!
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I'm [...] scum
Case closed!
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Quote fail, so much for phone posting
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Quote fail, so much for phone posting
Do you.. by chance.. HAVE A CASE?
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Quote fail, so much for phone posting
Do you.. by chance.. HAVE A CASE?
I’m pretty sure that is your line!
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Hello, this is mail-mi from Kitchen-o-matic customer service. We appreciate your call, which may be recorded for quality assurance. Please hold.
vote: calamitas
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Quote fail, so much for phone posting
Do you.. by chance.. HAVE A CASE?
Yes, it's that mix is scum
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Side question : is quicklynching Joseph a good way to get out of RVS?
It's what you all did in Real Life Mafia 1
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Hello, this is mail-mi from Kitchen-o-matic customer service. We appreciate your call, which may be recorded for quality assurance. Please hold.
vote: calamitas
Appreciation noted
Vote: mail-mi
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What are the heydays of f.ds mafia though?
You can almost think of it more as epochs.
Robz playing the first 50 games without a miss... The Great QT Debates.... Witherweaver's scum streak.....
These were the best of times, these were the worst of times. Hard to say one time or the other way "the heyday"
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Quote fail, so much for phone posting
Do you.. by chance.. HAVE A CASE?
Yes, it's that mix is scum
vote: mix
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Hi e.
The days of hey keep rolling.
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Vote Count 1.1
SpaceAnemone (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (2): A Drowned Kernel, mail-,mi
A Drowned Kernel (1): SpaceAnemone
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): yuma
Not Voting (5): WestCoastDidds, yuma, scolapasta, DatSwan, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
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Hello, this is mail-mi from Kitchen-o-matic customer service. We appreciate your call, which may be recorded for quality assurance. Please hold.
vote: calamitas
Appreciation noted
Vote: mail-mi
Your vote is very important to us. Please hold for the next available associate.
vote: 2.7
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Vote Count 1.1
SpaceAnemone (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (2): A Drowned Kernel, mail-,mi
A Drowned Kernel (1): SpaceAnemone
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): yuma
Not Voting (5): WestCoastDidds, yuma, scolapasta, DatSwan, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
Why is MiX in red? Is he mod confirmed as bad?
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Vote: MiX
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Vote Count 1.1
SpaceAnemone (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (2): A Drowned Kernel, mail-,mi
A Drowned Kernel (1): SpaceAnemone
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): yuma
Not Voting (5): WestCoastDidds, yuma, scolapasta, DatSwan, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
Why is MiX in red? Is he mod confirmed as bad?
He’s modding, so he’s the all l-knowing kind of scum.
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Vote Count 1.1
SpaceAnemone (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): Calamitas, LaLight
Calamitas (2): A Drowned Kernel, mail-,mi
A Drowned Kernel (1): SpaceAnemone
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
MiX (1): yuma
Not Voting (5): WestCoastDidds, yuma, scolapasta, DatSwan, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
Why is MiX in red? Is he mod confirmed as bad?
He’s modding, so he’s the all l-knowing kind of scum.
I wanna talk to MiX's supervisor....
Just checking in. Social Distance BBQ in a bit, but good to see everyone!
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What up folks? Man this lineup feels like a throw back to when I first showed up to f.ds. Welcome back Calamitas. And hi to everyone I haven't played with for a while (e and Space notably)!
Vote: LL. I started last game with a vote on him, and ended up with a good win. Let's keep that streak going.
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Vote: MiX
I'm going to ignore these, or at least assume you're voting for me alongside whoever you were voting for before simultaneously.
Not sure what faust will do, however.
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vote: adk
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What up folks? Man this lineup feels like a throw back to when I first showed up to f.ds. Welcome back Calamitas. And hi to everyone I haven't played with for a while (e and Space notably)!
Vote: LL. I started last game with a vote on him, and ended up with a good win. Let's keep that streak going.
Feels a bit like you are overexplaining that vote here vote: dylan
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Vote: MiX
I'm going to ignore these, or at least assume you're voting for me alongside whoever you were voting for before simultaneously.
Not sure what faust will do, however.
Definitely didn't realise mix was the mod, lol
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Vote: MiX
I'm going to ignore these, or at least assume you're voting for me alongside whoever you were voting for before simultaneously.
Not sure what faust will do, however.
Definitely didn't realise mix was the mod, lol
Yeah, in fairness...its a new look for him!
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Vote: MiX
I'm going to ignore these, or at least assume you're voting for me alongside whoever you were voting for before simultaneously.
Not sure what faust will do, however.
Definitely didn't realise mix was the mod, lol
I'm sorry, my supervisor is out for lunch, and you may not vote for him. I can have him call you when he gets back...
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Vote: MiX
I'm going to ignore these, or at least assume you're voting for me alongside whoever you were voting for before simultaneously.
Not sure what faust will do, however.
Definitely didn't realise mix was the mod, lol
I'm sorry, my supervisor is out for lunch, and you may not vote for him. I can have him call you when he gets back...
Your waiting time will be significantly longer than usual, due to a higher than average amount of calls. Your call is important to us
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What are the heydays of f.ds mafia though?
You can almost think of it more as epochs.
Robz playing the first 50 games without a miss... The Great QT Debates.... Witherweaver's scum streak.....
These were the best of times, these were the worst of times. Hard to say one time or the other way "the heyday"
All I remember is Joseph getting mislynched D1 almost every game.....
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Everyone game Joseph has referred to himself in the 3rd person, he's not town.
vote: joseph
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Everyone game Joseph has referred to himself in the 3rd person, he's not town.
vote: joseph
Slightly scummy.
Vote: scolapasta
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I do not believe my call is important to them.
And I do not believe that yams' supervisor will call when when they get back.
I waited on hold for 3 hours for an airline person last month. I am deeply scarred.
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Everyone game Joseph has referred to himself in the 3rd person, he's not town.
vote: joseph
Slightly scummy.
Vote: scolapasta
That's what I get for joining in the RVS! :)
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vote: scola
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I do not believe my call is important to them.
And I do not believe that yams' supervisor will call when when they get back.
I waited on hold for 3 hours for an airline person last month. I am deeply scarred.
I understand, that can be very frustrating. Would you like me to transfer you to our Customer Loyalty department to lodge a formal complaint?
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yes, actually, vote: scola
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Hm, let me take a look at your account. You said you were having a problem with your vote: scola, right?
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Huh? Why me?
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Everyone game Joseph has referred to himself in the 3rd person, he's not town.
vote: joseph
Joseph usually does this most games
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I kinda want to join the bandwagon but that would be L-2 :D
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Everyone game Joseph has referred to himself in the 3rd person, he's not town.
vote: joseph
Joseph usually does this most games
I know - it was a joke (though technically true of all the games of played with you - both of them!)
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Lemme just...remove myself from the game...that way they can't lynch me...
Vote Count 1.2
SpaceAnemone (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): scolapasta
A Drowned Kernel (2): SpaceAnemone, yuma
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
Dylan32 (1): Calamitas
scolapasta (4): Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, mail-mi
Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, DatSwan
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
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vote: scola L-2
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Lemme just...remove myself from the game...that way they can't lynch me...
Are you sure you'd like to delete your account? I'd have to transfer you to another department, and they've got a 40 minute hold time right now...
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I kinda want to join the bandwagon but that would be L-2 :D
Oh no, L-2, I'm not sure my heart can take it
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Vote: scola
L-1
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And that was a joke, so Unvote
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Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
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Fun though the L-1 game looks, it's far too late in the IRL-day for me to participate right now.
Also, I think I need to vote: mail-mi for embodying the call centre horror just a bit too well :-P
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Fun though the L-1 game looks, it's far too late in the IRL-day for me to participate right now.
Also, I think I need to vote: mail-mi for embodying the call centre horror just a bit too well :-P
I worked in a call center for the past year, thanks for asking! Now, about that technical error, I think I might have a solution for you...
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Fun though the L-1 game looks...
This is clearly a matter of perspective. :)
Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
But you won't tell us who?
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vote: joseph
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And that was a joke, so Unvote
I don't get it
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I do not believe my call is important to them.
And I do not believe that yams' supervisor will call when when they get back.
I waited on hold for 3 hours for an airline person last month. I am deeply scarred.
I understand, that can be very frustrating. Would you like me to transfer you to our Customer Loyalty department to lodge a formal complaint?
Oh, you are diabolical! Also, Mix, that is an ingenious plan for avoiding votes.
The Scola votes are hell scummy.
Vote: Joseph
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I was going to vote cala. But vote: joseph looks better.
L-something
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I kinda want to join the bandwagon but that would be L-2 :D
For this post by the way.
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Followed by:
vote: scola L-2
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Followed by:
vote: scola L-2
Exactly.
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. Please state again what your issue is, or press 4 to listen to the menu again.
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. Please state again what your issue is, or press 4 to listen to the menu again.
4.
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vote: mail-mi
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And hi mail-mi. How is it?
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Call me the shepherd, cuz I've apparently got a lot of sheep haha.
I voted scola for seeming to use a joke RVS vote to create an actual wagon on Joseph as the 3rd vote on the wagon. It was a real vote since my LL vote was clearly RVS and that was the first scummy thing I'd noticed, but I did not expect that to kick off a wagon with that little substance. I still stand by it being a slightly scummy post, so I'm leaving my vote for now, that was just unexpected to come back and see the wagon that blew up. I agree with Didds there was probably scum somewhere behind me on the wagon.
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Everyone game Joseph has referred to himself in the 3rd person, he's not town.
vote: joseph
Joseph usually does this most games
I know - it was a joke (though technically true of all the games of played with you - both of them!)
I first didn’t like his previous quite defensive post and them he did that so I made the vote.
In what parallel universe is that scummy? :D
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Everyone game Joseph has referred to himself in the 3rd person, he's not town.
vote: joseph
Slightly scummy.
Vote: scolapasta
That's what I get for joining in the RVS! :)
referred to that one
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Vote Count 1.2
Joseph2302 (3): scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel, WestCoastDidds
mail-mi (3): 2.71828....., SpaceAnemone, yuma
scolapasta (4): Dylan32, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas
Not Voting (2): DatSwan, Joseph2302
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
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Vote: ADK
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. Please state again what your issue is, or press 4 to listen to the menu again.
Why no number for voting Joseph?
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Fun though the L-1 game looks...
This is clearly a matter of perspective. :)
Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
But you won't tell us who?
I’m going to start with - it wasn’t me. But this is tested and tried to be an unreliable way to assign anything to anyone. Everyone is aware they can just turn their settings to “off” i don’t think anyone should be more or less anything because they were or were not “present” - at least in terms of this situation.
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
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Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
this doesn’t make sense, hammering would be just wtf here. No scum player is actually that bad
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Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
this doesn’t make sense, hammering would be just wtf here. No scum player is actually that bad
They could claim it were an accident
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Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
this doesn’t make sense, hammering would be just wtf here. No scum player is actually that bad
They could claim it were an accident
yeah, but no one would ever do that. But if you thought that were plausible, why did you then risk it by puttig scola (he?she?they?) on L-1 ?
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Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
this doesn’t make sense, hammering would be just wtf here. No scum player is actually that bad
They could claim it were an accident
yeah, but no one would ever do that. But if you thought that were plausible, why did you then risk it by puttig scola (he?she?they?) on L-1 ?
I didn't think people would, but they could. And if they did, it'd be good info
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
It's never too early
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
It's never too early
Except when it is
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
It's never too early
Except when it is
Joseph's L-1 and then unvote was scummy enough that if I was a dayvig, I would shoot him
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
both look scummier than null
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. Please state again what your issue is, or press 4 to listen to the menu again.
4.
Hello, and welcome to mail-mi's current lynch options menu!
Press 1 for scola.
Press 2 for Calamitas.
Press 3 for a more general lurker lynch.
Press 4 to listen to this menu again.
Presione 5 para español
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And hi mail-mi. How is it?
I'm doing great, thanks for asking! And how are you doing this fine morning?
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. Please state again what your issue is, or press 4 to listen to the menu again.
Why no number for voting Joseph?
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. He is acting like himself, which is decidedly null. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again, or state which option you would like.
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OK, I get it - I see how my RVS vote can be seen as scummy as it was the 3rd vote on someone and could be seen as trying to start a wagon. Honestly, and I'm running out of games were I can use thus as an excuse, I'm still learning how D1s go with this group. Past games, I decided not to vote any early, with no real info; for this game I decided to get in on the fun. Didn't realize it would start a wagon.
But I wouldn't blame people to vote me for it. I get that. I do think it did form fairly fast which means there's got to be some scum on my wagon, hoping to take advantage of beginner's ignorance. So if I do end up getting lynched, you guys will have some good leads, I hope.
I will say I whole heartedly disagree that this: "That's what I get for joining in the RVS! :)" can or should be construed as "quite defensive".
So, I'm ok with a:
vote: calamites
Also, mail-mi: Cinco, por favor.
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
It's never too early
Except when it is
Joseph's L-1 and then unvote was scummy enough that if I was a dayvig, I would shoot him
Totally agree. I was just playing around with words. I like the “always/never...except when it’s not” pairing.
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I ❤️ yams so much this game. Genuinely hilarious.
Customer service might be his calling.
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I ❤️ yams so much this game. Genuinely hilarious.
Customer service might be his calling.
It's clearly part of the evolution:
mail-mi ->
small-mi ->
llams-mi ->
llama-me (which means "call me" in español)
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
It's never too early
Except when it is
Joseph's L-1 and then unvote was scummy enough that if I was a dayvig, I would shoot him
Totally agree. I was just playing around with words. I like the “always/never...except when it’s not” pairing.
Good thing I'm the only dayvig then ;)
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That's a joke by the way
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I agree with Calamitas looking scummy, but he 100% gets a pass D1 from me.
I am actually fine with Joseph or scola
Kinda early to be “ok with anyone”.
Why ok with either of them LL?
It's never too early
Except when it is
Joseph's L-1 and then unvote was scummy enough that if I was a dayvig, I would shoot him
Skummy because protecting or skummy because just weird?
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I ❤️ yams so much this game. Genuinely hilarious.
Customer service might be his calling.
It's clearly part of the evolution:
mail-mi ->
small-mi ->
llams-mi ->
llama-me (which means "call me" in español)
Llama-me works, but yams both rolls off the tongue and is easy to type on my phone!
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Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
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Why no number for voting Joseph?
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. He is acting like himself, which is decidedly null. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again, or state which option you would like.
I agree that Joseph's behaviour is very Joseph-like, rather than being necessarily role-indicative. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad lynch for D1.
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Just noticed that e is flying very much under the radar this game.
Vote: e
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Yuma and scola, I haven't played with either of you before! Can you give me any insights into what you're like in Mafia? Also, preferred pronouns and timezones would be useful info to know! Thank you :-)
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Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
Why no number for voting Joseph?
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. He is acting like himself, which is decidedly null. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again, or state which option you would like.
I agree that Joseph's behaviour is very Joseph-like, rather than being necessarily role-indicative. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad lynch for D1.
It seems to me that your preference for lynches is currently set to "scum." Are you sure you'd like me to switch that to "players with an easily lynchable meta"?
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Why no number for voting Joseph?
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. He is acting like himself, which is decidedly null. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again, or state which option you would like.
I agree that Joseph's behaviour is very Joseph-like, rather than being necessarily role-indicative. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad lynch for D1.
It would be like a throwback to 2016 then, me getting mislynched D1 all the time!
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Just noticed that e is flying very much under the radar this game.
Vote: e
How would you define "flying under the radar" for a game that's not even on its third page?
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I ❤️ yams so much this game. Genuinely hilarious.
Customer service might be his calling.
It's clearly part of the evolution:
mail-mi ->
small-mi ->
llams-mi ->
llama-me (which means "call me" in español)
Llama-me works, but yams both rolls off the tongue and is easy to type on my phone!
True. Llama-me can just be the mutation that evolved for this particular game!
I'm still waiting to see what happened when I pressed "5".
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I ❤️ yams so much this game. Genuinely hilarious.
Customer service might be his calling.
It's clearly part of the evolution:
mail-mi ->
small-mi ->
llams-mi ->
llama-me (which means "call me" in español)
Llama-me works, but yams both rolls off the tongue and is easy to type on my phone!
True. Llama-me can just be the mutation that evolved for this particular game!
I'm still waiting to see what happened when I pressed "5".
I'm sorry, our Spanish servers are down today. lo siento. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again.
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Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
Right?!? We should just get our own thread every game.
And no? Idk I don’t really get what the skummy part is about it. Like if putting them at L1 is skummy then putting them at L2 L3 etc should also be skummy. But the only reason to think it is skummy is “if you know the wagon is town”. So, for now i am more interested in The people that found Joseph skummy rather than Joseph themself.
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What Joseph did that was scummy wasn't the L-1 part it was the way he did it.
This:
And that was a joke, so Unvote
is scummier than this:
Unvote
Also Joseph did you ever tell us who this was?
Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
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And hi mail-mi. How is it?
I'm doing great, thanks for asking! And how are you doing this fine morning?
Great! Evening now. I went for a walk and the weather was perfect and I defeated a red gym and put down my Alakazam. What could be better?
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Yuma and scola, I haven't played with either of you before! Can you give me any insights into what you're like in Mafia? Also, preferred pronouns and timezones would be useful info to know! Thank you :-)
Hi! I like your handle! I respond to he/him/his but won't bat an eye if something else is thrown my way. I am in the Mountain Daylight Time. You?
I don't really know my way of mafia. I am back after a 4+ year hiatus. I was really active way back when during what was I am calling the Great Heywakening. I got a rep at being a sneaky, under the radar mafia player cause I rolled mafia my first two games and did well, but ultimately lost after incredible town come backs. It took me forever to finally get a mafia win. Like I was 0-4. I was decent at being town with generally decent reads. I got killed a lot. Toward the end I let life get in the way and made mafia unfun for me and probably others (sorry!) but have changed as a person so came back to see what it would be like... spoiler! FUN!!!
So I think I am probably pretty different now? And apparently my scumdar is broken cause I strongly read all three mafia as super townie the last game, which was my first back. Hopefully that helps!
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Yams - What number do I dial to talk to someone that wants to look at lynch that isn't scolapasta or joseph?
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Yuma and scola, I haven't played with either of you before! Can you give me any insights into what you're like in Mafia? Also, preferred pronouns and timezones would be useful info to know! Thank you :-)
Hi Space! This is only my 4th game here, my previous experience being very basic in person set up, which ran very differently. So not too yet sure my style. Except that I'm usually fairly clueless D1 and then suspect every little thing later. Pronoun - he. Timezone: USA East.
Care to answer the same?
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@Yuma and scola, thanks for your responses :-)
I prefer they/them pronouns, but I'll settle for she/her when people find that hard. I get quite miffed at people resorting to "default he". Play-style-wise, I'm bad at reads, but less bad at spotting patterns. Vote count analysis and puzzling things together after role claims are probably the bits I find most enjoyable. I'm in the UK, so 5 hours ahead of forum time.
I've been playing here since mid-2016 because my IRL-friend Haddock tempted me in with a BSG-themed game. I've since met up with a whole bunch more people from f.ds in person, and I have a few more as FB friends or PokeGo buddies.
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Just noticed that e is flying very much under the radar this game.
Vote: e
How would you define "flying under the radar" for a game that's not even on its third page?
Not posting in more than 2.5 IRL days is quite stealthy...
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Just noticed that e is flying very much under the radar this game.
Vote: e
How would you define "flying under the radar" for a game that's not even on its third page?
Not posting in more than 2.5 IRL days is quite stealthy...
Very stealthy
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Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
Right?!? We should just get our own thread every game.
And no? Idk I don’t really get what the skummy part is about it. Like if putting them at L1 is skummy then putting them at L2 L3 etc should also be skummy. But the only reason to think it is skummy is “if you know the wagon is town”. So, for now i am more interested in The people that found Joseph skummy rather than Joseph themself.
yuma summed up my thoughts pretty well. It's the immediate retraction that's scummy, not the vote
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Vote Count 1.4
Joseph2302 (2): A Drowned Kernel, WestCoastDidds
mail-mi (2): 2.71828....., yuma
scolapasta (4): Dylan32, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): DatSwan
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (1): Joseph2302
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am.
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@Yuma and scola, thanks for your responses :-)
I prefer they/them pronouns, but I'll settle for she/her when people find that hard. I get quite miffed at people resorting to "default he". Play-style-wise, I'm bad at reads, but less bad at spotting patterns. Vote count analysis and puzzling things together after role claims are probably the bits I find most enjoyable. I'm in the UK, so 5 hours ahead of forum time.
I've been playing here since mid-2016 because my IRL-friend Haddock tempted me in with a BSG-themed game. I've since met up with a whole bunch more people from f.ds in person, and I have a few more as FB friends or PokeGo buddies.
Oooh, I would love a BSG themed game! That sounds like it must have been great!
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Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
Right?!? We should just get our own thread every game.
Yes. Perpetual masons. It would dramatically decrease my propensity to spam the thread...
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Yams, what is it about scola that you are finding scummy? I don't get it.. and I especially don't get the number of people who do
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@Yuma and scola, thanks for your responses :-)
I prefer they/them pronouns, but I'll settle for she/her when people find that hard. I get quite miffed at people resorting to "default he". Play-style-wise, I'm bad at reads, but less bad at spotting patterns. Vote count analysis and puzzling things together after role claims are probably the bits I find most enjoyable. I'm in the UK, so 5 hours ahead of forum time.
I've been playing here since mid-2016 because my IRL-friend Haddock tempted me in with a BSG-themed game. I've since met up with a whole bunch more people from f.ds in person, and I have a few more as FB friends or PokeGo buddies.
Oooh, I would love a BSG themed game! That sounds like it must have been great!
off topic... but has there really never been a BSG game?
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OK, I get it - I see how my RVS vote can be seen as scummy as it was the 3rd vote on someone and could be seen as trying to start a wagon. Honestly, and I'm running out of games were I can use thus as an excuse, I'm still learning how D1s go with this group. Past games, I decided not to vote any early, with no real info; for this game I decided to get in on the fun. Didn't realize it would start a wagon.
But I wouldn't blame people to vote me for it. I get that. I do think it did form fairly fast which means there's got to be some scum on my wagon, hoping to take advantage of beginner's ignorance. So if I do end up getting lynched, you guys will have some good leads, I hope.
I will say I whole heartedly disagree that this: "That's what I get for joining in the RVS! :)" can or should be construed as "quite defensive".
So, I'm ok with a:
vote: calamites
Also, mail-mi: Cinco, por favor.
It is not strongly defensive but slightly more than I expected (you actually reacted to the vote), as I said not enough to justify L-2.
The post afterwards felt a bit stronger, a bit reactive. And that justified L-2 for me.
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Why no number for voting Joseph?
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. He is acting like himself, which is decidedly null. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again, or state which option you would like.
I agree that Joseph's behaviour is very Joseph-like, rather than being necessarily role-indicative. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad lynch for D1.
Flashbacks incoming
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@Yuma and scola, thanks for your responses :-)
I prefer they/them pronouns, but I'll settle for she/her when people find that hard. I get quite miffed at people resorting to "default he". Play-style-wise, I'm bad at reads, but less bad at spotting patterns. Vote count analysis and puzzling things together after role claims are probably the bits I find most enjoyable. I'm in the UK, so 5 hours ahead of forum time.
I've been playing here since mid-2016 because my IRL-friend Haddock tempted me in with a BSG-themed game. I've since met up with a whole bunch more people from f.ds in person, and I have a few more as FB friends or PokeGo buddies.
Oooh, I would love a BSG themed game! That sounds like it must have been great!
off topic... but has there really never been a BSG game?
If was 4 years ago....you could totally bring that ish back!
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@Yuma and scola, thanks for your responses :-)
I prefer they/them pronouns, but I'll settle for she/her when people find that hard. I get quite miffed at people resorting to "default he". Play-style-wise, I'm bad at reads, but less bad at spotting patterns. Vote count analysis and puzzling things together after role claims are probably the bits I find most enjoyable. I'm in the UK, so 5 hours ahead of forum time.
I've been playing here since mid-2016 because my IRL-friend Haddock tempted me in with a BSG-themed game. I've since met up with a whole bunch more people from f.ds in person, and I have a few more as FB friends or PokeGo buddies.
Oooh, I would love a BSG themed game! That sounds like it must have been great!
off topic... but has there really never been a BSG game?
If was 4 years ago....you could totally bring that ish back!
Public service annoncement from your friendly mod:
I had the craziest idea...
I want to design a Mafia Legacy game with 4 consecutive games during which each player plays the same character (but obviously not with the same alignment) each time. Flavor would probably be Battlestar Galactica, one of the few flavors that I think could work for this.
I am working on this, but it's going to be a while before I have something that's ready to play.
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@Yuma and scola, thanks for your responses :-)
I prefer they/them pronouns, but I'll settle for she/her when people find that hard. I get quite miffed at people resorting to "default he". Play-style-wise, I'm bad at reads, but less bad at spotting patterns. Vote count analysis and puzzling things together after role claims are probably the bits I find most enjoyable. I'm in the UK, so 5 hours ahead of forum time.
I've been playing here since mid-2016 because my IRL-friend Haddock tempted me in with a BSG-themed game. I've since met up with a whole bunch more people from f.ds in person, and I have a few more as FB friends or PokeGo buddies.
Oooh, I would love a BSG themed game! That sounds like it must have been great!
off topic... but has there really never been a BSG game?
If was 4 years ago....you could totally bring that ish back!
Public service annoncement from your friendly mod:
I had the craziest idea...
I want to design a Mafia Legacy game with 4 consecutive games during which each player plays the same character (but obviously not with the same alignment) each time. Flavor would probably be Battlestar Galactica, one of the few flavors that I think could work for this.
I am working on this, but it's going to be a while before I have something that's ready to play.
Um, can I prematurely /in for this? Sounds amazing! :)
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Yep, yep. That is AWESOME faust!
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Yams - What number do I dial to talk to someone that wants to look at lynch that isn't scolapasta or joseph?
Ah, yes, that would be in our lynch support department. They recommend looking into calamitas as well, though I hear they're going to do some research soon and get a feel for other players. Would you like me to transfer you over?
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Yams, what is it about scola that you are finding scummy? I don't get it.. and I especially don't get the number of people who do
It was mostly his first couple of posts, jumping in to try to extend RVS, and then this post (#98):
That's what I get for joining in the RVS! :)
Also, they aren't creating a lot of content, just a lot of fluff, though that could be said of many players. Not much of a case, but for 4 pages or so into day 1, it's good for me.
If you wouldn't mind giving us just another minute of your time, please take the survey that comes at the end of this call, to see how this case suits you. Do you have any other questions before you go?
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Yams, what is it about scola that you are finding scummy? I don't get it.. and I especially don't get the number of people who do
It was mostly his first couple of posts, jumping in to try to extend RVS, and then this post (#98):
That's what I get for joining in the RVS! :)
Also, they aren't creating a lot of content, just a lot of fluff, though that could be said of many players. Not much of a case, but for 4 pages or so into day 1, it's good for me.
If you wouldn't mind giving us just another minute of your time, please take the survey that comes at the end of this call, to see how this case suits you. Do you have any other questions before you go?
Hmm....as a fairly fluffy one myself, I don’t find it scummy. But I haven’t seen scumapasta yet, either.
I’m still scarred by under-the-radar 2.71 being the evil King of Scum. Have their been any scum service orders filed under e?
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DatSwan has been replaced by Swowl!
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DatSwan has been replaced by Swowl!
A swan has been replaced by an owl!
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this game is weirdely slow
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
Yes.
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well, i think I am voting Joseph from the get go
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oh
vote: Joseph2302
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
Yes.
But you aren't voting for him...
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
We could lynch ADK
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
We could lynch ADK
Sounds like a bad plan
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a valid menu option. Please restate which option you'd like to follow, or press 4 to hear the menu again.
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
Someday, you'll have to explain "swowl" to me.
Current vote is not RVS. (That was my initial Joseph vote). I think my current vote is at Calamitas? For the L-2 Shennanigans. That said I could probably be swayed towards Joseph. Or maybe even mail-mi (while I am highly enjoying his customer service, he didn't accept my pressing "5" I wonder if it could be a smokescreen. In that, we wouldn't lynch him, just for the cleverness?)
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
Oh okay. They renamed their account? Or just using a diffferent account?
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
Oh okay. They renamed their account? Or just using a diffferent account?
Renamed. Asked between games and then it took effect. This is DatSwan.
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
Oh okay. They renamed their account? Or just using a diffferent account?
Renamed. Asked between games and then it took effect. This is DatSwan.
Fair enough
In which case, you'll know by now that I'm good and always get mislynched. Especially if it's 2016 again
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Someday, you'll have to explain "swowl" to me.
Scola, someday when you are bored, go read http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19482.0 It is hysterical (although I highly recommend drinking if you want it to be really funny) especially when you get to the owl memes. A Swowl was born out of sheer awesomeness
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Alright, there is a distinct lack of yuma and e in this game.
Dudes, what's up?
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
Oh okay. They renamed their account? Or just using a diffferent account?
Renamed. Asked between games and then it took effect. This is DatSwan.
Fair enough
In which case, you'll know by now that I'm good and always get mislynched. Especially if it's 2016 again
I mean except last game right?
But unlike last game, I do not see a whole hell of a lot of a reason why you stand out today.
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Alight, bird man. I wouldn’t say Joseph is particularly scummy, so fair enough.
But then who is? We can’t seem to get going at all, and a big chunk of players aren’t coming around or saying much at all.
Kind of makes me miss MiX.
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
Oh okay. They renamed their account? Or just using a diffferent account?
Renamed. Asked between games and then it took effect. This is DatSwan.
Fair enough
In which case, you'll know by now that I'm good and always get mislynched. Especially if it's 2016 again
I mean except last game right?
But unlike last game, I do not see a whole hell of a lot of a reason why you stand out today.
I agree, I don't really think what Joseph did was scummy. I know I'm not the first to say this, but I'm more inclined to look at the people that are most focused on him instead.
ppe 1
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Alight, bird man. I wouldn’t say Joseph is particularly scummy, so fair enough.
But then who is? We can’t seem to get going at all, and a big chunk of players aren’t coming around or saying much at all.
Kind of makes me miss MiX.
yeah I mean I openly admit my Day 1 ability to make cases is lacking unless something seriously pops up. Right now, the only thing that pops up is what I said before - I am suspicious of the people that pushed Joseph for something that I do not find skummy.
That was pretty much [you,ADK, and whoever started and then bailed].
I am literally, not figuratively, incapable of skum reading you ever... so yeah ADK is where I am at.
I also generally just tend to lean against any quick to start wagons on Day 1. I normally find they are either skum driven, or they are town and skum plants themselves elsewhere - so I like to look at the outliers.
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So earlier I thought scum likely helped build momentum for the scola wagon, and I think scum would be likely to be pushing for Joseph to some extent. The pool of people who were in both those sets are ADK and LL. I would vote for either equally, but for now since I don't think I've ever played with ADK, Vote: LL.
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Alight, bird man. I wouldn’t say Joseph is particularly scummy, so fair enough.
But then who is? We can’t seem to get going at all, and a big chunk of players aren’t coming around or saying much at all.
Kind of makes me miss MiX.
yeah I mean I openly admit my Day 1 ability to make cases is lacking unless something seriously pops up. Right now, the only thing that pops up is what I said before - I am suspicious of the people that pushed Joseph for something that I do not find skummy.
That was pretty much [you,ADK, and whoever started and then bailed].
I am literally, not figuratively, incapable of skum reading you ever... so yeah ADK is where I am at.
I also generally just tend to lean against any quick to start wagons on Day 1. I normally find they are either skum driven, or they are town and skum plants themselves elsewhere - so I like to look at the outliers.
I don't think ADK is the worst call, just not super inspired. But maybe inspiration is too much to ask for right now.
The scola wagon is much more robust than the Jospeh one. I haven't been pushing...it was kind of an "eh" vote that never changed. Oddly, yuma has a post a few back saying let's lynch Joseph but isn't voting there. Wagoneering without commitment...hmmm...
vote: yuma
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
Yes.
But you aren't voting for him...
Oh....
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You are right.
vote: joseph
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Alright, there is a distinct lack of yuma and e in this game.
Dudes, what's up?
I am here! I pointed out why joseph was actually scummy then everyone ran away from it. Including me. mail-mi shenanigans distracted me.
But otherwise I haven't been here. Work has been a bit. But that should be mostly over by Tuesday.
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Alight, bird man. I wouldn’t say Joseph is particularly scummy, so fair enough.
But then who is? We can’t seem to get going at all, and a big chunk of players aren’t coming around or saying much at all.
Kind of makes me miss MiX.
yeah I mean I openly admit my Day 1 ability to make cases is lacking unless something seriously pops up. Right now, the only thing that pops up is what I said before - I am suspicious of the people that pushed Joseph for something that I do not find skummy.
That was pretty much [you,ADK, and whoever started and then bailed].
I am literally, not figuratively, incapable of skum reading you ever... so yeah ADK is where I am at.
I also generally just tend to lean against any quick to start wagons on Day 1. I normally find they are either skum driven, or they are town and skum plants themselves elsewhere - so I like to look at the outliers.
I don't think ADK is the worst call, just not super inspired. But maybe inspiration is too much to ask for right now.
The scola wagon is much more robust than the Jospeh one. I haven't been pushing...it was kind of an "eh" vote that never changed. Oddly, yuma has a post a few back saying let's lynch Joseph but isn't voting there. Wagoneering without commitment...hmmm...
vote: yuma
Sad face
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So earlier I thought scum likely helped build momentum for the scola wagon, and I think scum would be likely to be pushing for Joseph to some extent. The pool of people who were in both those sets are ADK and LL. I would vote for either equally, but for now since I don't think I've ever played with ADK, Vote: LL.
oh no, you don't, vote: Dylan
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i think that scum actively ignores Joseph wagon, as it doesn't build as fast as it could have.
I'll return to vote: Joseph
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@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
Oh okay. They renamed their account? Or just using a diffferent account?
Renamed. Asked between games and then it took effect. This is DatSwan.
Fair enough
In which case, you'll know by now that I'm good and always get mislynched. Especially if it's 2016 again
also wrong. you have been scum, what, 2 out of three last games? and in neither you were mislynched
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i think that scum actively ignores Joseph wagon, as it doesn't build as fast as it could have.
I'll return to vote: Joseph
I'll admit, that's an interesting point. Is there anyone who jumped on the scola wagon but has totally ignored the Joseph wagon? And I do mean ignored, not stood against it like llama, some bird, and me. Because you could have a point that if scum did jump on a big wagon like scola's quickly and without much support earlier, they might be a bit more hesitant to jump on the next wagon that builds, but they wouldn't want to vocally oppose it in order to keep the door open to join it later or hammer at EoD.
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LL, I'll unvote for that. Not because it made you townier, but because that might have been a good point.
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i think that scum actively ignores Joseph wagon, as it doesn't build as fast as it could have.
I'll return to vote: Joseph
I'll admit, that's an interesting point. Is there anyone who jumped on the scola wagon but has totally ignored the Joseph wagon? And I do mean ignored, not stood against it like llama, some bird, and me. Because you could have a point that if scum did jump on a big wagon like scola's quickly and without much support earlier, they might be a bit more hesitant to jump on the next wagon that builds, but they wouldn't want to vocally oppose it in order to keep the door open to join it later or hammer at EoD.
Further, if I happen to be right, it doesn't imply Joseph is scum. It just means scum didn't want to look too eager to jump from fast growing L-1 reaching wagon to the next fastest growing wagon, so voting Joseph doesn't necessarily follow from the idea of scum ignoring his wagon unless you think it's motivated more by avoiding a wagon on a partner than avoiding looking scummy.
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Ok, really the only people who haven't commented directly on Joseph and/or his wagon are e, Space, and Calamitas, and I'm inclined to think that's as much due to their inactivity (>24 hours since last post for all 3) than to any intentional ignoring. Of the rest, scola took the least decisive postion with:
@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
Someday, you'll have to explain "swowl" to me.
Current vote is not RVS. (That was my initial Joseph vote). I think my current vote is at Calamitas? For the L-2 Shennanigans. That said I could probably be swayed towards Joseph. Or maybe even mail-mi (while I am highly enjoying his customer service, he didn't accept my pressing "5" I wonder if it could be a smokescreen. In that, we wouldn't lynch him, just for the cleverness?)
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Sorry for the inactivity, I will catch up today
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Ok, really the only people who haven't commented directly on Joseph and/or his wagon are e, Space, and Calamitas, and I'm inclined to think that's as much due to their inactivity (>24 hours since last post for all 3) than to any intentional ignoring.
Mine is partly due to intentional ignoring. I can never really pass up a reason to vote Joseph, but I'm trying to be a better person.
As for Calamitas, perhaps I'm finally in a game again with the one person around here who's still less fond of making D1 reads than I am :-P I'm sure if we get a good converastion on probabilities of role distributions going, Camamitas and I will have a lot more to contribute...
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Ok, really the only people who haven't commented directly on Joseph and/or his wagon are e, Space, and Calamitas, and I'm inclined to think that's as much due to their inactivity (>24 hours since last post for all 3) than to any intentional ignoring.
Mine is partly due to intentional ignoring. I can never really pass up a reason to vote Joseph, but I'm trying to be a better person.
As for Calamitas, perhaps I'm finally in a game again with the one person around here who's still less fond of making D1 reads than I am :-P I'm sure if we get a good converastion on probabilities of role distributions going, Camamitas and I will have a lot more to contribute...
Can you work out the probabilities and expected number of each PR in the game?
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Less than that, 46.5 (the time was converting to local time which confused me)
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Who do you think is scum?
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Vote Count 1.5
Joseph2302 (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
yuma (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~45.5 hours.
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i think that scum actively ignores Joseph wagon, as it doesn't build as fast as it could have.
I'll return to vote: Joseph
I'll admit, that's an interesting point. Is there anyone who jumped on the scola wagon but has totally ignored the Joseph wagon? And I do mean ignored, not stood against it like llama, some bird, and me. Because you could have a point that if scum did jump on a big wagon like scola's quickly and without much support earlier, they might be a bit more hesitant to jump on the next wagon that builds, but they wouldn't want to vocally oppose it in order to keep the door open to join it later or hammer at EoD.
Further, if I happen to be right, it doesn't imply Joseph is scum. It just means scum didn't want to look too eager to jump from fast growing L-1 reaching wagon to the next fastest growing wagon, so voting Joseph doesn't necessarily follow from the idea of scum ignoring his wagon unless you think it's motivated more by avoiding a wagon on a partner than avoiding looking scummy.
exactly
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I have many adventures planned for today! First, we are going to a distillery in the hill country to do see if we can get hold of a couple of bottles of a special release of double barreled bourbon which is sweet and amazing and OMG, y’all. Cross your fingers they have some lef when we get there!
Then we are going to a winery down the road from the distillery for a picnic. And day drinking.
Then I’m assuming I’ll need a nap.
All of which is to say 1. Alcohol tourism is a thing, 2. Day drinking= naps, and 3. I’ll be around tonight but I’m not sure how much I’ll be around before then.
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Can you work out the probabilities and expected number of each PR in the game?
I have a list from 3.5 years ago of each possible role combination, along with the likelihood of each one being roled, and the number of ways each combination could end up occurring (e.g. several ways because of the "W" rolls). Assuming I was correct back then, and that this set-up is the same as that one, then I can indeed work out all sorts of probability-based things with very little extra effort :-)
The fun things to do are to look at how likely various claims are, and to look at how compatible different pairs/combinations of claims are. The conditional probability of role X existing given what we know publicly from flips and privately from our own roles is pretty useful, so I think I'll keep from spamming the thread too early on with useless marginal probabilities that are probably most interesting for scum who want to breadcrumb a fakeclaim early.
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Who do you think is scum?
Never know D1
Some of the lurkiness has to be scumminess though I think
Surely town would be wanting to pick up the pace of this game?
PPE: 1
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Who do you think is scum?
Never know D1
Some of the lurkiness has to be scumminess though I think
Surely town would be wanting to pick up the pace of this game?
PPE: 1
So town should try to pick up the pace of the game but you have zero reads that you want to share?
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Who do you think is scum?
Never know D1
Some of the lurkiness has to be scumminess though I think
Surely town would be wanting to pick up the pace of this game?
PPE: 1
So town should try to pick up the pace of the game but you have zero reads that you want to share?
I think I don't trust any of the lurkers (e, Space, Calamitas) right now
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Vote Count 1.5
Joseph2302 (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
yuma (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~45.5 hours.
From looking at your account, it seems like your wagons are quite dispersed for how close you are to deadline. You might want to consider cosolidating, especially away from those that are town. Would you be willing to consider scola or calamitas?
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Who do you think is scum?
Never know D1
Some of the lurkiness has to be scumminess though I think
Surely town would be wanting to pick up the pace of this game?
PPE: 1
So town should try to pick up the pace of the game but you have zero reads that you want to share?
I think I don't trust any of the lurkers (e, Space, Calamitas) right now
Player post counts:
25 Joseph2302
22 WestCoastDidds
17 mail-mi
16 Yuma
16 LaLight
16 A Drowned Kernel
14 scolapasta
13 Swowl
12 Calamitas
11 SpaceAnemone
10 Dylan32
4 2.71828.....
Conclusions:
1. You're oddly missing Dylan in the "lurkers list".
2. There's virtually nothing between Calamitas and scola or Swowl.
3. I've posted less than I feel like I have.
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I think I don't trust any of the lurkers (e, Space, Calamitas) right now
I was the one to point out how under-the-radar e was being earlier, and that seems like something I wouldn't do with a partner. Also I'm voting for him right now, though I'm re-reading a few people right now, so that may change in a bit..
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Who do you think is scum?
Never know D1
Some of the lurkiness has to be scumminess though I think
Surely town would be wanting to pick up the pace of this game?
PPE: 1
So town should try to pick up the pace of the game but you have zero reads that you want to share?
I think I don't trust any of the lurkers (e, Space, Calamitas) right now
Player post counts:
25 Joseph2302
22 WestCoastDidds
17 mail-mi
16 Yuma
16 LaLight
16 A Drowned Kernel
14 scolapasta
13 Swowl
12 Calamitas
11 SpaceAnemone
10 Dylan32
4 2.71828.....
Conclusions:
1. You're oddly missing Dylan in the "lurkers list".
2. There's virtually nothing between Calamitas and scola or Swowl.
3. I've posted less than I feel like I have.
Hello, and thank you for calling the Lynch CompanyTM. Before we connect you with a live associate, we'd like to inform you that the Lynch CompanyTM is in support of (or at least not opposed to) any lynch from scola down to the bottom. Please hold for the next available associate.
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Also it's only about 50 hours until the deadline
Who do you think is scum?
Never know D1
Some of the lurkiness has to be scumminess though I think
Surely town would be wanting to pick up the pace of this game?
PPE: 1
So town should try to pick up the pace of the game but you have zero reads that you want to share?
I think I don't trust any of the lurkers (e, Space, Calamitas) right now
Player post counts:
25 Joseph2302
22 WestCoastDidds
17 mail-mi
16 Yuma
16 LaLight
16 A Drowned Kernel
14 scolapasta
13 Swowl
12 Calamitas
11 SpaceAnemone
10 Dylan32
4 2.71828.....
Conclusions:
1. You're oddly missing Dylan in the "lurkers list".
2. There's virtually nothing between Calamitas and scola or Swowl.
3. I've posted less than I feel like I have.
Any game where I'm the most active poster is worrying
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Another thought: who's likely to be around in the run-up to deadline?
Currently the players in timezones east of the Atlantic are me, Calamitas, LaLight, e and Joseph, so if the rest of you leave it up till crunch time, we're the people most likely to be able to push a lynch through at the last minute.
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1. You're oddly missing Dylan in the "lurkers list".
Dylan's at a low post count but his recent posts have substance. Joseph's at lot of posts but they're mostly empty. I don't think "lurking" is a good metric to use right now
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1. You're oddly missing Dylan in the "lurkers list".
Dylan's at a low post count but his recent posts have substance. Joseph's at lot of posts but they're mostly empty. I don't think "lurking" is a good metric to use right now
Thanks. My count is lower than I thought, but I didn't post until almost 3 pages into the game, so a lot of what I skipped was the hellos and rvs type stuff if I had to guess. I'm probably middle of the pack if you start counting from scola's rvs vote and consider that the end of the random beginning phases of the game.
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Honey-Do list a mile long i have been finishing, but i will be able to check in this evening, and I’ll be around all day tomorrow.
As for DL, space has a good point about who is gonna be around - and just to clarify that is like 3am my time, so i will likely not be around after T-3 hours to DL.
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i think that scum actively ignores Joseph wagon, as it doesn't build as fast as it could have.
I'll return to vote: Joseph
I'll admit, that's an interesting point. Is there anyone who jumped on the scola wagon but has totally ignored the Joseph wagon? And I do mean ignored, not stood against it like llama, some bird, and me. Because you could have a point that if scum did jump on a big wagon like scola's quickly and without much support earlier, they might be a bit more hesitant to jump on the next wagon that builds, but they wouldn't want to vocally oppose it in order to keep the door open to join it later or hammer at EoD.
Further, if I happen to be right, it doesn't imply Joseph is scum. It just means scum didn't want to look too eager to jump from fast growing L-1 reaching wagon to the next fastest growing wagon, so voting Joseph doesn't necessarily follow from the idea of scum ignoring his wagon unless you think it's motivated more by avoiding a wagon on a partner than avoiding looking scummy.
exactly
By exactly, I'm assuming you mean you believe the scum's motivation to avoid Joseph is that he's their partner. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'll also note that I think the alternative is more likely in this case.
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I'll be awake at the deadline, but I don't know what is going on irl to know if I'll be online at that point or not, but I should be able to pay attention and be active throughout the day tomorrow at least.
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I'll be awake at the deadline, but I don't know what is going on irl to know if I'll be online at that point or not, but I should be able to pay attention and be active throughout the day tomorrow at least.
Oh wait, I read the deadline wrong and for sure won't be awake (hopefully, 4 am here) at the deadline...
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Ok, really the only people who haven't commented directly on Joseph and/or his wagon are e, Space, and Calamitas, and I'm inclined to think that's as much due to their inactivity (>24 hours since last post for all 3) than to any intentional ignoring.
Mine is partly due to intentional ignoring. I can never really pass up a reason to vote Joseph, but I'm trying to be a better person.
As for Calamitas, perhaps I'm finally in a game again with the one person around here who's still less fond of making D1 reads than I am :-P I'm sure if we get a good converastion on probabilities of role distributions going, Camamitas and I will have a lot more to contribute...
big promise! :)
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I still like scola a bit more than the rest I think
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Can you work out the probabilities and expected number of each PR in the game?
I have a list from 3.5 years ago of each possible role combination, along with the likelihood of each one being roled, and the number of ways each combination could end up occurring (e.g. several ways because of the "W" rolls). Assuming I was correct back then, and that this set-up is the same as that one, then I can indeed work out all sorts of probability-based things with very little extra effort :-)
The fun things to do are to look at how likely various claims are, and to look at how compatible different pairs/combinations of claims are. The conditional probability of role X existing given what we know publicly from flips and privately from our own roles is pretty useful, so I think I'll keep from spamming the thread too early on with useless marginal probabilities that are probably most interesting for scum who want to breadcrumb a fakeclaim early.
I really don't like you being so open about this
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I won't be around at deadline, but should be later tonight. I'm still happy with my Calamitas vote, but could some others (maybe Joseph, maybe a lurker, maybe a mail-mi, though I don't think I'll get anyone else on board with that)
And @Space I am definitely on the "not fond of making D1 reads" team. Which is why I don't have much to say.
ppe 3
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I really don't like you being so open about this
The fact that I (and presumably you?) have the capability to do it, or the fact that I'm refusing to post the marginals Joseph wanted on the grounds that they're probably more useful to scum than to town?
PPE 1: @scola, are you a probabilities person too?
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I really don't like you being so open about this
The fact that I (and presumably you?) have the capability to do it, or the fact that I'm refusing to post the marginals Joseph wanted on the grounds that they're probably more useful to scum than to town?
PPE 1: @scola, are you a probabilities person too?
Former, but let’s defer this discussion to a later time
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I really don't like you being so open about this
The fact that I (and presumably you?) have the capability to do it, or the fact that I'm refusing to post the marginals Joseph wanted on the grounds that they're probably more useful to scum than to town?
PPE 1: @scola, are you a probabilities person too?
I am. Maybe not good at it, but I do try to understand the setup and that would be key.
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I really don't like you being so open about this
The fact that I (and presumably you?) have the capability to do it, or the fact that I'm refusing to post the marginals Joseph wanted on the grounds that they're probably more useful to scum than to town?
PPE 1: @scola, are you a probabilities person too?
I am. Maybe not good at it, but I do try to understand the setup and that would be key.
I don't think being a probabilities person means quite what you think it does. It's a whole level above just understanding the setup. In our last game, as flips and claims happened, at no point did you make an appeal to any sort of statistical argument to try to decide who was telling the truth or what roles were likely. You tended to just stick to making normal reads, and then you just speculated on the possibility that I was lying for a while without trying to calculate how likely that actually was. Space and Calamitas often use that type of argument as a big part of their play once info that starts narrowing stuff down to make it useful.
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Based on last game, that means that's the scum team right? haha jk. I think right now I'm still leaning scola for today. LL and ADK are options based on the wagon argument I had earlier. Agree town on the bird at least.
ppe 1
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
So much. Yes. But now he knows and his behavior will change.
Or will it?
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well I like ADK the most, but I am accepting that is probably not going to happen. Also, they were on your town list, so responding to you I will leave them off. So I guess....
MailMi, LaLight
gap
scolapasta
gap
Calamitas
gap
everyone else.
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
problem I have with this mentality is that we are in a stall because skum is the lurking component. Or at least that is what I think. I cannot bring myself to just want to lynch someone simply because lurking, but it should be noted that if the lead wagons have consistently so far been town, skum would likely just sit back and watch.
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
Thank you for calling mail-mi. Our hours of operation are Day 1, after which we will be closed for business permanently.
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
problem I have with this mentality is that we are in a stall because skum is the lurking component. Or at least that is what I think. I cannot bring myself to just want to lynch someone simply because lurking, but it should be noted that if the lead wagons have consistently so far been town, skum would likely just sit back and watch.
Exactly, I think that is what's happening. I'm town, scola wagon got far too many votes far too quickly- some scum must have piled onto that, which makes me think it would have been a mislynch
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I mean, I think in no game I ever was the person who got a bunch of votes early on D1 out of RVS got actually lynched, lynches don’t happen that fast. Rather interesting is how fast it evaporated after getting close, that sounds like light evidence for scum
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Vote Count 1.5
Joseph2302 (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
yuma (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~45.5 hours.
I don’t know how much this has changed, but I don’t think by much.
So, when I headed off into the world OUTSIDE yesterday, I felt like we were making a decision between Joseph and Scola. But looking at this, that seem artificial. There aren’t as many votes there as I had thought.
If I imagine that Jospeh is scum, the people trying to derail his wagon are yams, Swowl, and Scola. Swowl is voting for ADK because ADK is voting for Joseph. Joseph was playing around with some L-1 hijinks. Regardless if it was scummy or not, it is not scummy to think that it was. So, Swowl reaction (and yams validating that reaction) seems off.
LL, space, and calamitas are not going to vote for one another today.
I LOVE that yams is making the game fun. He may be scum, he might be protecting his Bro-seph, but I’m still not voting for him.
I find e’s under the radar play super suspicious. Not that he’s lurking, but rather that he is making himself not at all memorable. Like a ninja blending into the darkness.
So, all in all, I think I’m wary of folks who are working harder to protect Jospeh than I am of the folks voting for him.
ADK....what are you thinking? Is Joseph the right lynch today?
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well I like ADK the most, but I am accepting that is probably not going to happen. Also, they were on your town list, so responding to you I will leave them off. So I guess....
MailMi, LaLight
gap
scolapasta
gap
Calamitas
gap
everyone else.
Is this scum-to-town or the reverse?
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Vote Count 1.5
Joseph2302 (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
yuma (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~45.5 hours.
I don’t know how much this has changed, but I don’t think by much.
So, when I headed off into the world OUTSIDE yesterday, I felt like we were making a decision between Joseph and Scola. But looking at this, that seem artificial. There aren’t as many votes there as I had thought.
If I imagine that Jospeh is scum, the people trying to derail his wagon are yams, Swowl, and Scola. Swowl is voting for ADK because ADK is voting for Joseph. Joseph was playing around with some L-1 hijinks. Regardless if it was scummy or not, it is not scummy to think that it was. So, Swowl reaction (and yams validating that reaction) seems off.
LL, space, and calamitas are not going to vote for one another today.
I LOVE that yams is making the game fun. He may be scum, he might be protecting his Bro-seph, but I’m still not voting for him.
I find e’s under the radar play super suspicious. Not that he’s lurking, but rather that he is making himself not at all memorable. Like a ninja blending into the darkness.
So, all in all, I think I’m wary of folks who are working harder to protect Jospeh than I am of the folks voting for him.
ADK....what are you thinking? Is Joseph the right lynch today?
Here's where I'm at:
Towny- LaLight, Dylan, the bird formerly known as swan
Scummy-joseph, mail-mi. Maybe scola. The way the wagon formed and dispersed is a little suspicious but that's what happens with day one wagons and I don't feel that he reacted in a particularly scummy way to it. I don't think I want to lynch scola today
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If I imagine that Jospeh is scum, the people trying to derail his wagon are yams, Swowl, and Scola.
I never tried to derail the Joseph wagon. (I don't think)
My top votes are : Calamitas, Joseph, mail-mi and maybe e for lurking?
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I'm working this morning/afternoon...so I'll either be around a lot (because concentrating is hard!) or not at all (sometimes I focus!).
Video/chat mafia later tonight (want to play? Lynchpool at 8FT), and then deadline is pretty early for me tomorrow.
So, I will vote: Joseph for now, but I will definitely be around some later if anyone else decides e is scummy and not just busy.
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I'm working this morning/afternoon...so I'll either be around a lot (because concentrating is hard!) or not at all (sometimes I focus!).
Video/chat mafia later tonight (want to play? Lynchpool at 8FT), and then deadline is pretty early for me tomorrow.
So, I will vote: Joseph for now, but I will definitely be around some later if anyone else decides e is scummy and not just busy.
I could Vote: e in preference to me being lynched
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
Thank you for calling mail-mi. Our hours of operation are Day 1, after which we will be closed for business permanently.
See!
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I mean, I think in no game I ever was the person who got a bunch of votes early on D1 out of RVS got actually lynched, lynches don’t happen that fast. Rather interesting is how fast it evaporated after getting close, that sounds like light evidence for scum
I am not completely sure who you are talking about here
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What Joseph did that was scummy wasn't the L-1 part it was the way he did it.
This:
And that was a joke, so Unvote
is scummier than this:
Unvote
Also Joseph did you ever tell us who this was?
Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
[/quotes a reminder this is what was scummy about joseph.
And again I'll ask if joseph ever answered the above question.
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Fudge
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What Joseph did that was scummy wasn't the L-1 part it was the way he did it.
This:
And that was a joke, so Unvote
is scummier than this:
Unvote
Also Joseph did you ever tell us who this was?
Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
This is the scummy post. Joseph did you answer the above question?
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What Joseph did that was scummy wasn't the L-1 part it was the way he did it.
This:
And that was a joke, so Unvote
is scummier than this:
Unvote
Also Joseph did you ever tell us who this was?
Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
This is the scummy post. Joseph did you answer the above question?
No I didn't, and I don't want to, because I don't want to put target on anyone's head
The person in question is not being considered for lynching right now
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I mean, I think in no game I ever was the person who got a bunch of votes early on D1 out of RVS got actually lynched, lynches don’t happen that fast. Rather interesting is how fast it evaporated after getting close, that sounds like light evidence for scum
I am not completely sure who you are talking about here
About Scola, and answering to Joseph
ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
problem I have with this mentality is that we are in a stall because skum is the lurking component. Or at least that is what I think. I cannot bring myself to just want to lynch someone simply because lurking, but it should be noted that if the lead wagons have consistently so far been town, skum would likely just sit back and watch.
Exactly, I think that is what's happening. I'm town, scola wagon got far too many votes far too quickly- some scum must have piled onto that, which makes me think it would have been a mislynch
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What Joseph did that was scummy wasn't the L-1 part it was the way he did it.
This:
And that was a joke, so Unvote
is scummier than this:
Unvote
Also Joseph did you ever tell us who this was?
Some minor point from that 5 minutes of L1: there was one other person viewing this page at the time, and they chose not to hammer. Which makes me feel a little bit more towny about them
This is the scummy post. Joseph did you answer the above question?
No I didn't, and I don't want to, because I don't want to put target on anyone's head
The person in question is not being considered for lynching right now
This is so super weird
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I mean, I think in no game I ever was the person who got a bunch of votes early on D1 out of RVS got actually lynched, lynches don’t happen that fast. Rather interesting is how fast it evaporated after getting close, that sounds like light evidence for scum
I am not completely sure who you are talking about here
About Scola, and answering to Joseph
ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
problem I have with this mentality is that we are in a stall because skum is the lurking component. Or at least that is what I think. I cannot bring myself to just want to lynch someone simply because lurking, but it should be noted that if the lead wagons have consistently so far been town, skum would likely just sit back and watch.
Exactly, I think that is what's happening. I'm town, scola wagon got far too many votes far too quickly- some scum must have piled onto that, which makes me think it would have been a mislynch
@Calamitas, I think there's something grammatically weird about your quoted text, which certianly confused me on first reading. Are you saying that in no game that you've ever been in has the person who's gotten a bunch of D1 votes from RVS ever been lynched? Are you characterising the votes on Joseph as coming from RVS, or coming immediately as we pulled out of RVS? I don't think either is entirely accurate, as it was Joseph's questionnably-motivated L-1 game with Scola that then let people justify a bunch of votes on him, and the Scola wagon itself wasn't really RVS either.
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So 4 on Joseph. Are we going to lynch him or do we need to go elsewhere?
I will be moving my vote elsewhere soon to someone pretty specific if it doesn't gain traction, and I think it should.
Mostly I feel like there are players that just haven't said anything about it. That makes me feel... tingly? But not in a good way. Or maybe I am just nervous about ano-lynch. But that turned out fine last game. Although i think that is the exception cause that game was thumpin weird.
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I've been doing a bunch of re-reading. I agree broadly with ADK. Dylan also seems generally engaged and sensible, though I disagree on any idea about scumreading people for voting Joseph over his Scola L-1 behaviour. I actually like that Dylan was able to back off a bit and reconsider when LL made a point about scum not necessarily having had motivation to engage with the Joseph wagon so soon after the Scola one.
PPE: 1
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I mean, I think in no game I ever was the person who got a bunch of votes early on D1 out of RVS got actually lynched, lynches don’t happen that fast. Rather interesting is how fast it evaporated after getting close, that sounds like light evidence for scum
I am not completely sure who you are talking about here
About Scola, and answering to Joseph
ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
I would like a joseph lynch, and to avoid a lurker lynch
Super hot take: the longer mail-mi's bit goes on the scummier it gets
problem I have with this mentality is that we are in a stall because skum is the lurking component. Or at least that is what I think. I cannot bring myself to just want to lynch someone simply because lurking, but it should be noted that if the lead wagons have consistently so far been town, skum would likely just sit back and watch.
Exactly, I think that is what's happening. I'm town, scola wagon got far too many votes far too quickly- some scum must have piled onto that, which makes me think it would have been a mislynch
@Calamitas, I think there's something grammatically weird about your quoted text, which certianly confused me on first reading. Are you saying that in no game that you've ever been in has the person who's gotten a bunch of D1 votes from RVS ever been lynched? Are you characterising the votes on Joseph as coming from RVS, or coming immediately as we pulled out of RVS? I don't think either is entirely accurate, as it was Joseph's questionnably-motivated L-1 game with Scola that then let people justify a bunch of votes on him, and the Scola wagon itself wasn't really RVS either.
I meant the former and I was maybe overstating a bit. ButI wanted to express that I didn't feel like Scola was actually really on the brink of being lynched. Wagons building out of RVS and a bit non-RVS happens all-the-time and in my (fading) memory it is quite rare for that to go in a monotone way. I.e. I don't think I ever had
1) First Wagon builds
2) The person is lynched
Without other wagons building, vote moving, ... happening in between
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So 4 on Joseph. Are we going to lynch him or do we need to go elsewhere?
I will be moving my vote elsewhere soon to someone pretty specific if it doesn't gain traction, and I think it should.
Mostly I feel like there are players that just haven't said anything about it. That makes me feel... tingly? But not in a good way. Or maybe I am just nervous about ano-lynch. But that turned out fine last game. Although i think that is the exception cause that game was thumpin weird.
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I much prefer Joseph over no-lynch. Right now my preference order is Scola > Joseph > Rest.
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The person I'm feeling most confused on is Swowl, because I feel like he switches back and forth a number of times on what to think about Joseph, and I don't quite see a reason behind that.
ADK voted Joseph at #117, over the "unvote" stuff around putting Scola at L-1.
Swowl voted ADK as a first real post of the game at #133, but then immediately at #134 asked Mail-mi why he wasn't offering a "vote Joseph" option. His possible distain for Joseph's play is then backed up in #135 where he points out that observing who's looking at the thread is not that useful.
Finally queries LL on being "ok" with either of Joseph or Scola in #136. So the mood in #133 and #136 seemed against people wanting to lynch Joseph, while in #134 and #136 it seemed to be actively open to a Joseph lynch, or at the very least, pointing out that Joseph wasn't being helpfully pro-town.
I guess from #165 & #169 onwards he's settled on wanting to lynch people who though Joseph was scummy, with ADK apparently being top of the list still. I don't see any real justification for how he doesn't seem to think Joseph or Scola deserve votes, and indeed he goes out of his way to ask Scola some questions at 200 that he never goes back and re-engages with. I see that at #212 he says he just doesn't think people who pick up early wagons are ever scum, but that's a very convenient way to avoid having to say anything about any actual play made by either Joseph or Scola.
And then at #236, Scola appears at a second tier of what I assume is a scum-to-chum list, which is unexpected given that he was asking for alternatives to both Joseph and Scola earlier. And what's more, he was asking Mail-mi for alternatives, and apparently Mail-mi is right up there at tier one, too. So yeah, that just doesn't feel super-consistent to me.
PPE 2
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I'm getting distracted by cooking now, but I'll be back later.
I should say that I'm fine with my vote being on e for now.. four game posts all game is not just "being a lurker", it's being disengaged to the point where unless he comes in and really shows us he can get into this game, then there's not much point in us keeping him around anyway.
I'm not seeing any particularly strong reason not to lynch either Scola or Joseph, except for the fact that I'm not fond of lynching new-to-me players on D1 of my first game with them.
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I'm getting distracted by cooking now, but I'll be back later.
I should say that I'm fine with my vote being on e for now.. four game posts all game is not just "being a lurker", it's being disengaged to the point where unless he comes in and really shows us he can get into this game, then there's not much point in us keeping him around anyway.
I'm not seeing any particularly strong reason not to lynch either Scola or Joseph, except for the fact that I'm not fond of lynching new-to-me players on D1 of my first game with them.
My specialty is lurking all day and coming in at the last minute. Sitting down and reading now
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And that was a joke, so Unvote
I don't get it
The best jokes are the ones that need to be explained more. But actually, Joseph can do some crazy stuff, I don't think voting to L-1 here is a scum tell
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Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
Right?!? We should just get our own thread every game.
And no? Idk I don’t really get what the skummy part is about it. Like if putting them at L1 is skummy then putting them at L2 L3 etc should also be skummy. But the only reason to think it is skummy is “if you know the wagon is town”. So, for now i am more interested in The people that found Joseph skummy rather than Joseph themself.
this makes a lot of sense
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And hi mail-mi. How is it?
I'm doing great, thanks for asking! And how are you doing this fine morning?
Great! Evening now. I went for a walk and the weather was perfect and I defeated a red gym and put down my Alakazam. What could be better?
wait, are we friends? 6389 2496 5226
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Yams, what is it about scola that you are finding scummy? I don't get it.. and I especially don't get the number of people who do
Why are you so sure scola is town?
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Alight, bird man. I wouldn’t say Joseph is particularly scummy, so fair enough.
But then who is? We can’t seem to get going at all, and a big chunk of players aren’t coming around or saying much at all.
Kind of makes me miss MiX.
yeah I mean I openly admit my Day 1 ability to make cases is lacking unless something seriously pops up. Right now, the only thing that pops up is what I said before - I am suspicious of the people that pushed Joseph for something that I do not find skummy.
That was pretty much [you,ADK, and whoever started and then bailed].
I am literally, not figuratively, incapable of skum reading you ever... so yeah ADK is where I am at.
I also generally just tend to lean against any quick to start wagons on Day 1. I normally find they are either skum driven, or they are town and skum plants themselves elsewhere - so I like to look at the outliers.
I don't think ADK is the worst call, just not super inspired. But maybe inspiration is too much to ask for right now.
The scola wagon is much more robust than the Jospeh one. I haven't been pushing...it was kind of an "eh" vote that never changed. Oddly, yuma has a post a few back saying let's lynch Joseph but isn't voting there. Wagoneering without commitment...hmmm...
vote: yuma
And then ADK is a meh lynch here? And you jump on yuma?
vote: WCD
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I have many adventures planned for today! First, we are going to a distillery in the hill country to do see if we can get hold of a couple of bottles of a special release of double barreled bourbon which is sweet and amazing and OMG, y’all. Cross your fingers they have some lef when we get there!
Then we are going to a winery down the road from the distillery for a picnic. And day drinking.
Then I’m assuming I’ll need a nap.
All of which is to say 1. Alcohol tourism is a thing, 2. Day drinking= naps, and 3. I’ll be around tonight but I’m not sure how much I’ll be around before then.
See, WCD is so super friendly she is hard to lynch D1, but reading through the thread, I think she is a clear choice.
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Vote Count 1.5
Joseph2302 (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
yuma (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~45.5 hours.
I don’t know how much this has changed, but I don’t think by much.
So, when I headed off into the world OUTSIDE yesterday, I felt like we were making a decision between Joseph and Scola. But looking at this, that seem artificial. There aren’t as many votes there as I had thought.
If I imagine that Jospeh is scum, the people trying to derail his wagon are yams, Swowl, and Scola. Swowl is voting for ADK because ADK is voting for Joseph. Joseph was playing around with some L-1 hijinks. Regardless if it was scummy or not, it is not scummy to think that it was. So, Swowl reaction (and yams validating that reaction) seems off.
LL, space, and calamitas are not going to vote for one another today.
I LOVE that yams is making the game fun. He may be scum, he might be protecting his Bro-seph, but I’m still not voting for him.
I find e’s under the radar play super suspicious. Not that he’s lurking, but rather that he is making himself not at all memorable. Like a ninja blending into the darkness.
So, all in all, I think I’m wary of folks who are working harder to protect Jospeh than I am of the folks voting for him.
ADK....what are you thinking? Is Joseph the right lynch today?
A whole bunch of non-opinions here
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I'm working this morning/afternoon...so I'll either be around a lot (because concentrating is hard!) or not at all (sometimes I focus!).
Video/chat mafia later tonight (want to play? Lynchpool at 8FT), and then deadline is pretty early for me tomorrow.
So, I will vote: Joseph for now, but I will definitely be around some later if anyone else decides e is scummy and not just busy.
I could Vote: e in preference to me being lynched
No join me on Didds.
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So, read through the thread, the only thing that really stuck out to me was WCD is scum.
There are all the usual D1 non-cases being thrown about, mine is no different. Except it is better than the other non-cases.
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we are what, 13 hours or so from deadline?
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I was about to post explaining a few more scum points I've given scola and vote there, but I after soloing WCD due to e's posts, I buy it enough to vote: WCD instead for now.
For the record, the short version is that scola's last 3 posts have basically been identical, and they've been such that one of them wouldn't really be scummy, but not contributing other content in between posts like them definitely is.
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we are what, 13 hours or so from deadline?
I think so.
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headed to bed, BabyE wakes up at 6:15-6:30, so I will still have a good 5 hours of availability before the lynch. Of course, then everyone in US time zones will be asleep....
You can always count on me for a good old fashioned D1 lynch though. Push comes to shove I will help get it done
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Vote Count 1.6
Joseph2302 (4): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight, WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (2): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302
WestCoastDidds (2): 2.71828....., Dylan32
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~13 hours.
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I will probably not be around before deadline, have to see. I think I will do vote: Joseph for now. Haven't read WCD so no preference there yet, noticed nothing in the normal flow of the game.
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And that was a joke, so Unvote
I don't get it
The best jokes are the ones that need to be explained more. But actually, Joseph can do some crazy stuff, I don't think voting to L-1 here is a scum tell
Voting to L-1 isn't scummy but immediately unvoting and calling it a joke is
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And that was a joke, so Unvote
I don't get it
The best jokes are the ones that need to be explained more. But actually, Joseph can do some crazy stuff, I don't think voting to L-1 here is a scum tell
Voting to L-1 isn't scummy but immediately unvoting and calling it a joke is
I mean, how is that scummy though? Like would scum do that hoping someone derphammers or something but then unvote before someone calls the L-1 scummy to hopefully avoid that heat or something? I just don't get it, particularly when the player in question is Joseph.
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And that was a joke, so Unvote
I don't get it
The best jokes are the ones that need to be explained more. But actually, Joseph can do some crazy stuff, I don't think voting to L-1 here is a scum tell
Voting to L-1 isn't scummy but immediately unvoting and calling it a joke is
It is not scummy in the sense that Joseph is more likely to do that as scum than as town. Joseph does crazy (seeming?) stuff all-the-time
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Oh, good gravy. The votes for me make no sense at all. I’m especially unimpressed with Dylan’s join.
E’s reasons for voting for me is having non-opinions? Seriously? From the person with non-posts? We are all a bit eh on D1, but I’m at least, you know, saying what I think on a regular basis. And the specific post where he says I have non-opinions is when I started thinking about the folks trying to derail the Joseph votes as his buddies. Not non-opinion...actually thinking. Might not be good thinking, but it’s not non.
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I don't think scum!joseph votes there because he really thinks the lynch could go through. He votes because he's hoping it makes him look towny (and if scola is his partner, it has a good chance of getting rid of his wagon). But his immediate unvote makes it look, to me, like he became concerned about the optics of the vote right after he placed it, which is a scum mindset
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I don't think scum!joseph votes there because he really thinks the lynch could go through. He votes because he's hoping it makes him look towny (and if scola is his partner, it has a good chance of getting rid of his wagon). But his immediate unvote makes it look, to me, like he became concerned about the optics of the vote right after he placed it, which is a scum mindset
Well, that's at least a possible narrative. I think I thought the wording of the unvote was what people were talking about. I forget who but someone made the comment "Joseph's joke unvote" is scummier than "Unvote" would have been, and I think that's what I don't get.
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Oh, good gravy. The votes for me make no sense at all. I’m especially unimpressed with Dylan’s join.
E’s reasons for voting for me is having non-opinions? Seriously? From the person with non-posts? We are all a bit eh on D1, but I’m at least, you know, saying what I think on a regular basis. And the specific post where he says I have non-opinions is when I started thinking about the folks trying to derail the Joseph votes as his buddies. Not non-opinion...actually thinking. Might not be good thinking, but it’s not non.
So my read and vote was comparing your game so far with my memory of M126. I just went and soloed your D1 in that game and it actually wasn't as different as I thought, and some of the meta ideas I was thinking were scummy here were actually even slightly more present in town!Didds there, so I take it back.
Which brings me back to Vote: scola
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I don't think scum!joseph votes there because he really thinks the lynch could go through. He votes because he's hoping it makes him look towny (and if scola is his partner, it has a good chance of getting rid of his wagon). But his immediate unvote makes it look, to me, like he became concerned about the optics of the vote right after he placed it, which is a scum mindset
Well, that's at least a possible narrative. I think I thought the wording of the unvote was what people were talking about. I forget who but someone made the comment "Joseph's joke unvote" is scummier than "Unvote" would have been, and I think that's what I don't get.
If Joseph had said "on second thought, unvote, I don't want someone to derphammer" or "actually on second thought I don't think scola's scum, unvote" that would be one thing. But the saying that he was joking makes it seem like he feels like he concerned, not about whether he was voting for scum, but how people would view his vote
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I don't think scum!joseph votes there because he really thinks the lynch could go through. He votes because he's hoping it makes him look towny (and if scola is his partner, it has a good chance of getting rid of his wagon). But his immediate unvote makes it look, to me, like he became concerned about the optics of the vote right after he placed it, which is a scum mindset
Well, that's at least a possible narrative. I think I thought the wording of the unvote was what people were talking about. I forget who but someone made the comment "Joseph's joke unvote" is scummier than "Unvote" would have been, and I think that's what I don't get.
If Joseph had said "on second thought, unvote, I don't want someone to derphammer" or "actually on second thought I don't think scola's scum, unvote" that would be one thing. But the saying that he was joking makes it seem like he feels like he concerned, not about whether he was voting for scum, but how people would view his vote
From my experience, trying to analyze what Joseph was thinking never leads to good results
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I don't think scum!joseph votes there because he really thinks the lynch could go through. He votes because he's hoping it makes him look towny (and if scola is his partner, it has a good chance of getting rid of his wagon). But his immediate unvote makes it look, to me, like he became concerned about the optics of the vote right after he placed it, which is a scum mindset
Well, that's at least a possible narrative. I think I thought the wording of the unvote was what people were talking about. I forget who but someone made the comment "Joseph's joke unvote" is scummier than "Unvote" would have been, and I think that's what I don't get.
If Joseph had said "on second thought, unvote, I don't want someone to derphammer" or "actually on second thought I don't think scola's scum, unvote" that would be one thing. But the saying that he was joking makes it seem like he feels like he concerned, not about whether he was voting for scum, but how people would view his vote
Ok, I'm not convinced enough to join his wagon, but I get why the wagon exists at least. Also, town points to you for the thoughtful, well laid out arguments.
ppe 1
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Keeping my vote on Joseph, will assumably not be around until the deadline
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Interesting that e ended up feeling the same way I did in my specific person once they came back.
I too like a vote: west
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Vote: Didds
Best chance of not mislynching me
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I may or may not be around for deadline
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Interesting that e ended up feeling the same way I did in my specific person once they came back.
I too like a vote: west
in your specific person??
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Vote Count 1.7
Joseph2302 (4): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~7 hours.
This is probably my last vote count for this in-game day and I have no idea where faust is, so here's my fair warning.
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We regret to inform you that mail-mi will not be awake for deadline, but he will leave with a vote: WCD as a better alternative than Joseph.
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This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
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This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
WCD is town. vote: scola
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My guess is it's too late to get mail-mi going, but:
We regret to inform you that mail-mi will not be awake for deadline, but he will leave with a vote: WCD as a better alternative than Joseph.
followed less than 20 minutes later by this:
This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
WCD is town. vote: scola
I already thought the customer service gimmick was a sign, so
vote: mail-mi
(and I would be doing this if he had switched to someone other than me, that is not the reason)
I'm up for a little while, so will check in before going to bed.
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My guess is it's too late to get mail-mi going, but:
We regret to inform you that mail-mi will not be awake for deadline, but he will leave with a vote: WCD as a better alternative than Joseph.
followed less than 20 minutes later by this:
This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
WCD is town. vote: scola
I already thought the customer service gimmick was a sign, so
vote: mail-mi
(and I would be doing this if he had switched to someone other than me, that is not the reason)
I'm up for a little while, so will check in before going to bed.
I read WCD's post and the emotions feel genuine. The customer service gimmick was a way to have fun on D1 which is my least favorite day, and at least one other person enjoyed it, so I'm happy I did it. No regrets, even if it gets me lynched (which, of all the bad reasons I've been mislynched, would be among the worst)
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For the record, I also appreciated it and thought it was clever.
mail-mi's not happening, so I'll change my vote. I'll read back and try to decide. Also tired, though. Not sure what's best, throw a vote to one of the wagons, or just leave not voted.
unvote
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OK, reread last several days and, I'm ok with:
vote: joseph
Funny I started the day there and now I'm back here again.
Night, y'all.
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I read everything that happened to this point, and there's been nothing to move me towards liking the Joseph lynch. Scola is still viable and I like that more than the alternatives, so I'm just going to trust the Europeans to get it done. Good night all!
ppe 1
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That's L-2 on Joseph.
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ok day took up more of my time than I thought it would.
1) WCD wagon is the most confusing thing I have read so far. No clue what is going on there.
2) Joseph still isn't skummy imo. Also, the amount of people that have said "vote Joseph - peace out for the night not coming back before DL" is slightly nerve racking.
3) As it is midnight and I am not tired and have nothing to do I guess I am gonna be around close to DL. Which is 3am. meh. Gonna read some uno momento.
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Vote:scolapasta
not my favorite thing ever.
who is around?
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corrected:
Vote: scolapasta
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ok day took up more of my time than I thought it would.
1) WCD wagon is the most confusing thing I have read so far. No clue what is going on there.
2) Joseph still isn't skummy imo. Also, the amount of people that have said "vote Joseph - peace out for the night not coming back before DL" is slightly nerve racking.
3) As it is midnight and I am not tired and have nothing to do I guess I am gonna be around close to DL. Which is 3am. meh. Gonna read some uno momento.
@swowl is it better to not for and go to bed or to give my best vote forward? (Honest question)
Because there's no way I'm staying up till 6.
(I'm willing to give it another 10 in case you answer)
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dude idk what to tell you in this spot. I am unwilling to lynch 2/3 of the candidates on the table. I am willing to lynch pretty much anyone in the pools I said previously, no one wants that. Everyone sat around and did nothing until T-3 hours or whatever. so I am not getting any of the lynches I think are super likely to be skum. So I get to choose between no lynch (which honestly I fucking considered given how slow this is so far), two players I think are not skum (wcd/Joseph), and someone I am on the fence about (you).
So it is pretty much no lynch, miracle wagon on someone I think is skum, or you.
You put your best vote forward, I am just doing the same.
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also, to clarify, "vote and bail" does not apply to you in my mind. Your vote is NAI the way I look at it. Either town, skum, self prez, or some/all of the above.
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Joseph2302 (5): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scola
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
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The person I'm feeling most confused on is Swowl, because I feel like he switches back and forth a number of times on what to think about Joseph, and I don't quite see a reason behind that.
ADK voted Joseph at #117, over the "unvote" stuff around putting Scola at L-1.
Swowl voted ADK as a first real post of the game at #133, but then immediately at #134 asked Mail-mi why he wasn't offering a "vote Joseph" option. His possible distain for Joseph's play is then backed up in #135 where he points out that observing who's looking at the thread is not that useful.
Finally queries LL on being "ok" with either of Joseph or Scola in #136. So the mood in #133 and #136 seemed against people wanting to lynch Joseph, while in #134 and #136 it seemed to be actively open to a Joseph lynch, or at the very least, pointing out that Joseph wasn't being helpfully pro-town.
I guess from #165 & #169 onwards he's settled on wanting to lynch people who though Joseph was scummy, with ADK apparently being top of the list still. I don't see any real justification for how he doesn't seem to think Joseph or Scola deserve votes, and indeed he goes out of his way to ask Scola some questions at 200 that he never goes back and re-engages with. I see that at #212 he says he just doesn't think people who pick up early wagons are ever scum, but that's a very convenient way to avoid having to say anything about any actual play made by either Joseph or Scola.
And then at #236, Scola appears at a second tier of what I assume is a scum-to-chum list, which is unexpected given that he was asking for alternatives to both Joseph and Scola earlier. And what's more, he was asking Mail-mi for alternatives, and apparently Mail-mi is right up there at tier one, too. So yeah, that just doesn't feel super-consistent to me.
PPE 2
I am confused by this post - it is written in like a chronologically correct way - and opinions are opinions, so that is whatever... but like when I read this in bullet points, all the facts are pretty much correct.... but I don't understand where you are getting your assumptions of "off-ness" from.
Not gonna go into crazy detail here, just wanna pick at a few things in case it is genuine confusion:
1) I do not understand the inference of be asking the players questions and the whole "changing of mood" thing. I picked the questions based on the player that I was asking and their currently stated opinions on the issue (so yes, they would be different).
2) I have explained in great detail why I do not think Joseph is skummy for what people are saying they are skummy for. I have also not stated that scola should not get votes - That is incorrect.
3) You also very much overly generalized my logic behind early wagons and people being skum.
I do not understand the last part.
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Joseph2302 (5): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scola
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
coolio so you are around then. thats one. is there anyone you will lynch other than didds?
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also, to clarify, "vote and bail" does not apply to you in my mind. Your vote is NAI the way I look at it. Either town, skum, self prez, or some/all of the above.
Fair enough. Good night for real now.
Here's hoping I can say good morning "tomorrow".
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vote: joseph just so we actually get a lynch.
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I am also around, and we do need a Lynch
We also don't need last second claims.
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Meh
Vote: Joseph
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well I was typing up a whole thing - but I guess that does it. fingers crossed I suppose. Not super fond of our chances on this one.
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Great job guys, didn't even give me time to claim...
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I'm the UB so screw that
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It really is just 2016 all over again. People being idiots and just mislynching me D1 based on fuck all information
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who is skummy?
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who is skummy?
Interesting e came back from the non existence to hammer this shit. Scummy
I don't think any of the lynch options (me, scola, Didds) were that good, though that's what happens when nobody posts much all day. You just make up random wagons
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
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Shall we have some twilight conversation?
The hammer happened before I was even awake. While Calamitas, who's an hour ahead of me, had stated he wasn't going to be on for the deadline, it's pretty clear that scola could have been an option given the European votes as we woke up. I think Yuma and e deserve a few scumpoints for rushing it through before that.
The Didds wagon came out of nowhere, and I'm suspicious that it evapourated again by the actual hammer, bar Joseph's anyone-but-Joseph-motivated vote. I was slightly suspicious that it was a ploy by part of the scumteam to wagon one of their own as a way to panic everyone onto the lynch wagon, but then I looked at the actual vote order, and Didds had moved to Joseph of her own volition at #272, and e didn't start her wagon up at all until #294, so that's not such a smart theory. Yes, Didds's response to being voted actually sounded genuinely indignant, but she's smart and knows how to use words, so while I think she's townie, I'm definitely willing to entertain the possibility that she's scum for the purposes of exploring wild theories.
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who is skummy?
Interesting e came back from the non existence to hammer this shit. Scummy
I don't think any of the lynch options (me, scola, Didds) were that good, though that's what happens when nobody posts much all day. You just make up random wagons
Assuming you're town, you weren't giving your team a lot to work with pre-lynch. A couple of people have asked you who you think is scummy, and all you've said is that you don't know, or don't like the available options, or you've used it as a chance to complain about how other people aren't posting enough. Instead, maybe say who you think is townie, and hence who, by elimination, your lynchpool would contain, so that at least you're giving other people something positive to work with.
On the other hand, it really could be useful to you to share who you think is scummy, even if it's a big pool of PoE people, because that way you can also hide in that the information about the person you thought was townie because they didn't explicitly hammer scola when they were presumably presented with the chance. Though as others have pointed out, it's probably at most a confirmation that the person in question isn't playing a particular style of suboptimal scumgame, not that they're not scum.
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I may or may not be around for deadline
Giving you time to claim doesn't really make sense if you post that stuff. You really should have claimed then and there
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If a governor is thinking about using their power on Joseph, don't. He's lying
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If a governor is thinking about using their power on Joseph, don't. He's lying
You seem really confident about this, why so?
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If a governor is thinking about using their power on Joseph, don't. He's lying
You seem really confident about this, why so?
Lynch calamitas tomorrow please
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
I'm the actual UB...
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
I'm the actual UB...
Then why the heck would ADK counterclaim you after you've already been lynched?
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I am really curious for the flip
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I mean, I can't imagine a world in which scum is happy forcing a 1v1 on D1, even if it is to trick a governor into letting the UB get lynched. Is the UB strong enough to make that a trade that anyone would consider?
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
I'm the actual UB...
Then why the heck would ADK counterclaim you after you've already been lynched?
I don’t get it...
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As faust stayed on the phone waiting for someone to answer the call, he thought that maybe he did not time things ideally. There was a pressure... should he go, just very quickly? Surely he would have to wait for at least another ten minutes anyway. He was about to turn towards the bathroom...
"Hello, this is SmartHome Customer Appreciation Center, how can I assist you today?"
Joseph2302 has been lynched! They were Going to the Bathroom while in the Waiting Queue, the Mafia Roleblocker!
Night 1 begins now and lasts until May 26, 2020, 03:30:00 am. Night actions are due one hour before the Night ends.
Thread locked!
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As faust was on the phone, suddenly the Kitchen-o-matic sprung into action and shot hot, steaming coffee out right into scolapasta's face, who was just checking to see if something might have been clogged.
scolapasta has been killed. They were a Vanilla Townie.
Day 2 begins!
Vote Count 2.0
Not Voting (10): mail-mi, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, yuma, LaLight, Calamitas, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, DatSwan, Dylan32
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends June 02, 2020, 05:30:00 am.
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scolapasta has been lynched. They were a Vanilla Townie.
I assume this should be killed not lynched
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Also, fantastic Lynch everyone. I take zero credit for the actual Lynch, but will gladly assume my position as pseudo-IC with the hammer
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We also don't need last second claims.
Also, this
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Also, fantastic Lynch everyone. I take zero credit for the actual Lynch, but will gladly assume my position as pseudo-IC with the hammer
Haha.. if anyone's getting to be a pseudo-IC, it should be ADK with the uncontested claimed UB status. Though I need to go back and check to what extent the scumteam could know if we're in a game situation where there isn't a UB at all, since that would actually be a neat way of trying to IC a scum. I should come back to that though later.
Actually, I think to Joseph's teammates, he might have been playing such a bad scumgame that they may have been majorly tempted to bus. Things like complaining all the way through the game about how much of mislynch target he is, and asking me about what roles are most likely to be in the game are really scummy when you realise he was just scum all along, so presumably were quite uncomforatble for his buddies to read.
OTOH, I realise this reads as me trying to throw shade on the on-wagon people while I myself was an incorrectly off-wagon person. I was genuinely trying to overcome my bias where I always just want to lynch him anyway. Apologies for having swung too far in the direction of trying to assume overtly scummy play by Joseph was just him being him :-(
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if anyone's getting to be a pseudo-IC, it should be ADK with the uncontested claimed UB status. Though I need to go back and check to what extent the scumteam could know if we're in a game situation where there isn't a UB at all
All games include a Universal Back-Up.
From the setup
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So yeah, ADK is totally IC here.
Interesting why scum didn't kill them, I guess just WIFOM
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I am actually confused about this. First of all, why the heck would ADK claim as UB here. Governors are not really likely and its not like it would even be a certainty whether a hypothetical governor would even save Joseph here (UB is most convenient claim, would be NKed afterwards if actual UB)
I thought that ADK is WIFOM'ing UB/Virgin/Commuter or the like, that explains the non-NK. So we need to answer whether we should treat ADKs thing as an actual UB claim. As of now, I don't treat it as such; what do you think? Even without taking the claim into account, I strongly townread ADK (did not re-read) for his very hard push on Joseph.
Also, I am confused by the choice of Scola as target.
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Also, fantastic Lynch everyone. I take zero credit for the actual Lynch, but will gladly assume my position as pseudo-IC with the hammer
I wouldn't go that far. Need to re-read, but I would much rather townread the people who pushed the wagon before it manifested as basically the only choice. Busing right at the end is not that unimaginable
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if anyone's getting to be a pseudo-IC, it should be ADK with the uncontested claimed UB status. Though I need to go back and check to what extent the scumteam could know if we're in a game situation where there isn't a UB at all
All games include a Universal Back-Up.
From the setup
Yes, but also from the setup, games with a single V roll, or a single W roll that converst to a V, turn our guaranteed UB into a restless spirit. Except if we have a single V and also a single W roll that converts to a V, in which case we get both a UB and a RS. It makes me happy that faust's setup text covers that odd little corner case.
Anyway, the actual chance of not having a UB in the game is higher than you might think.
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if anyone's getting to be a pseudo-IC, it should be ADK with the uncontested claimed UB status. Though I need to go back and check to what extent the scumteam could know if we're in a game situation where there isn't a UB at all
All games include a Universal Back-Up.
From the setup
Yes, but also from the setup, games with a single V roll, or a single W roll that converst to a V, turn our guaranteed UB into a restless spirit. Except if we have a single V and also a single W roll that converts to a V, in which case we get both a UB and a RS. It makes me happy that faust's setup text covers that odd little corner case.
Anyway, the actual chance of not having a UB in the game is higher than you might think.
Maybe I should actually read the setup.
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if anyone's getting to be a pseudo-IC, it should be ADK with the uncontested claimed UB status. Though I need to go back and check to what extent the scumteam could know if we're in a game situation where there isn't a UB at all
All games include a Universal Back-Up.
From the setup
Single-V rolls lead to Restless Spirits being converted to UB here. But I don't see why Space thinks the details are relevant here, UB is by far and large the most likely role and claiming VT would have done not much good for dying Joseph.
PPE: 2
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I am actually confused about this. First of all, why the heck would ADK claim as UB here. Governors are not really likely and its not like it would even be a certainty whether a hypothetical governor would even save Joseph here (UB is most convenient claim, would be NKed afterwards if actual UB)
ADK did say it was a knee-jerk reaction, so "why the heck" seems a bit harsh maybe. Though I also agree that Joseph shouldn't have been a good target for using any powers on.
I thought that ADK is WIFOM'ing UB/Virgin/Commuter or the like, that explains the non-NK. So we need to answer whether we should treat ADKs thing as an actual UB claim. As of now, I don't treat it as such; what do you think? Even without taking the claim into account, I strongly townread ADK (did not re-read) for his very hard push on Joseph.
I think there's definitely some possibility they were trying to confuse scum while having another role.
Note: ADK uses they/them pronouns too :-)
Also, I am confused by the choice of Scola as target.
Yeah, though losing a VT rather than a PR is a good outcome, so whatever Scola did was working well! I agree it's a wacky choice for scum, unless Scola breadcrumbed something, or at least scum thought he did?
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Call me the shepherd, cuz I've apparently got a lot of sheep haha.
I voted scola for seeming to use a joke RVS vote to create an actual wagon on Joseph as the 3rd vote on the wagon. It was a real vote since my LL vote was clearly RVS and that was the first scummy thing I'd noticed, but I did not expect that to kick off a wagon with that little substance. I still stand by it being a slightly scummy post, so I'm leaving my vote for now, that was just unexpected to come back and see the wagon that blew up. I agree with Didds there was probably scum somewhere behind me on the wagon.
I don't think I like this
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Also, fantastic Lynch everyone. I take zero credit for the actual Lynch, but will gladly assume my position as pseudo-IC with the hammer
Yeah, no
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I am actually confused about this. First of all, why the heck would ADK claim as UB here. Governors are not really likely and its not like it would even be a certainty whether a hypothetical governor would even save Joseph here (UB is most convenient claim, would be NKed afterwards if actual UB)
I thought that ADK is WIFOM'ing UB/Virgin/Commuter or the like, that explains the non-NK. So we need to answer whether we should treat ADKs thing as an actual UB claim. As of now, I don't treat it as such; what do you think? Even without taking the claim into account, I strongly townread ADK (did not re-read) for his very hard push on Joseph.
Also, I am confused by the choice of Scola as target.
Governor isn't that unlikely (I will admit I haven't crunched any of the actual numbers) and I'm assuming Joseph's claim was an attempt to be save and/or out the actual UB. Other than the IC status, the role isn't all that powerful, and Joseph being saved would be super crappy because we would 1) lose a day, 2) have to spend D2 in a 1v1, and 3) people might use their N1 actions suboptimally with the misinformation. I made the decision to claim
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if anyone's getting to be a pseudo-IC, it should be ADK with the uncontested claimed UB status. Though I need to go back and check to what extent the scumteam could know if we're in a game situation where there isn't a UB at all
All games include a Universal Back-Up.
From the setup
Yes, but also from the setup, games with a single V roll, or a single W roll that converst to a V, turn our guaranteed UB into a restless spirit. Except if we have a single V and also a single W roll that converts to a V, in which case we get both a UB and a RS. It makes me happy that faust's setup text covers that odd little corner case.
Anyway, the actual chance of not having a UB in the game is higher than you might think.
Again, I haven't crunched the actual numbers but from what I remember from asher9++ which has a similar mechanic, it's low enough that fakeclaiming it in order to counterclaim my partner would be monumentally stupid
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Okay, finished re-reading. First round of thoughts on Space:
First off, their claimed not-game-related preference for lynching Joseph is genuine and their posts sound fully honest to me. While I wouldn't put it past them to fake that as scum, this makes me townread them.
Why no number for voting Joseph?
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. He is acting like himself, which is decidedly null. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again, or state which option you would like.
I agree that Joseph's behaviour is very Joseph-like, rather than being necessarily role-indicative. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad lynch for D1.
Ok, really the only people who haven't commented directly on Joseph and/or his wagon are e, Space, and Calamitas, and I'm inclined to think that's as much due to their inactivity (>24 hours since last post for all 3) than to any intentional ignoring.
Mine is partly due to intentional ignoring. I can never really pass up a reason to vote Joseph, but I'm trying to be a better person.
As for Calamitas, perhaps I'm finally in a game again with the one person around here who's still less fond of making D1 reads than I am :-P I'm sure if we get a good converastion on probabilities of role distributions going, Camamitas and I will have a lot more to contribute...
Ok, really the only people who haven't commented directly on Joseph and/or his wagon are e, Space, and Calamitas, and I'm inclined to think that's as much due to their inactivity (>24 hours since last post for all 3) than to any intentional ignoring.
Mine is partly due to intentional ignoring. I can never really pass up a reason to vote Joseph, but I'm trying to be a better person.
As for Calamitas, perhaps I'm finally in a game again with the one person around here who's still less fond of making D1 reads than I am :-P I'm sure if we get a good converastion on probabilities of role distributions going, Camamitas and I will have a lot more to contribute...
Can you work out the probabilities and expected number of each PR in the game?
Also, the question by Joseph sounds genuinely curious and when I first read this I definitely felt like Space was genuinely in "stats-sharing and math is exciting" mode. I am highly confident Space would have shared their stats in N0 with the scumteam.
Some thoughts I am having
1) My gut feeling is that this conversation wouldn't have taken place that way if Joseph had already gotten a full list of probabilites in N0. First, because
a) I would feel super scary to ask about it in that situation and the tone doesn't sound overthinking, Space sounds natural as well
b) From the point of a stats person, "Expected number of PRs" is a weird thing to ask for and not the reason why we are doing stats. This sounds much like him not having the stats and not knowing what exactly is interesting
Overall, townreading Space after this.
PPE: Some
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I didn't think that I was going to be alive today but for now I'm feeling vote: mail-mi. Was vocally against the joseph wagon and in a way that makes it impossible to read what his actual intentions were
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Call me the shepherd, cuz I've apparently got a lot of sheep haha.
I voted scola for seeming to use a joke RVS vote to create an actual wagon on Joseph as the 3rd vote on the wagon. It was a real vote since my LL vote was clearly RVS and that was the first scummy thing I'd noticed, but I did not expect that to kick off a wagon with that little substance. I still stand by it being a slightly scummy post, so I'm leaving my vote for now, that was just unexpected to come back and see the wagon that blew up. I agree with Didds there was probably scum somewhere behind me on the wagon.
I don't think I like this
This prompted me to reread dylan, and yeah. scummy
vote: Dylan
Calamitas, you said you just reread, what are your thoughts on Dylan?
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Call me the shepherd, cuz I've apparently got a lot of sheep haha.
I voted scola for seeming to use a joke RVS vote to create an actual wagon on Joseph as the 3rd vote on the wagon. It was a real vote since my LL vote was clearly RVS and that was the first scummy thing I'd noticed, but I did not expect that to kick off a wagon with that little substance. I still stand by it being a slightly scummy post, so I'm leaving my vote for now, that was just unexpected to come back and see the wagon that blew up. I agree with Didds there was probably scum somewhere behind me on the wagon.
I don't think I like this
This prompted me to reread dylan, and yeah. scummy
vote: Dylan
Calamitas, you said you just reread, what are your thoughts on Dylan?
I have a lingering townread on dylan but he was off-wagon. Probably merits a reread
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I am actually confused about this. First of all, why the heck would ADK claim as UB here. Governors are not really likely and its not like it would even be a certainty whether a hypothetical governor would even save Joseph here (UB is most convenient claim, would be NKed afterwards if actual UB)
I thought that ADK is WIFOM'ing UB/Virgin/Commuter or the like, that explains the non-NK. So we need to answer whether we should treat ADKs thing as an actual UB claim. As of now, I don't treat it as such; what do you think? Even without taking the claim into account, I strongly townread ADK (did not re-read) for his very hard push on Joseph.
Also, I am confused by the choice of Scola as target.
Governor isn't that unlikely (I will admit I haven't crunched any of the actual numbers) and I'm assuming Joseph's claim was an attempt to be save and/or out the actual UB. Other than the IC status, the role isn't all that powerful, and Joseph being saved would be super crappy because we would 1) lose a day, 2) have to spend D2 in a 1v1, and 3) people might use their N1 actions suboptimally with the misinformation. I made the decision to claim
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Fair enough, sounds sensible (governor likelihood is btw 20% conditioning on a UB if my code is correct); especially after weighing in WIFOM from roles like Virgin or so to avoid the NK.
Did you think about avoiding your NK that way or wasn't that part of your considerations?
PPE: 3
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I am actually confused about this. First of all, why the heck would ADK claim as UB here. Governors are not really likely and its not like it would even be a certainty whether a hypothetical governor would even save Joseph here (UB is most convenient claim, would be NKed afterwards if actual UB)
I thought that ADK is WIFOM'ing UB/Virgin/Commuter or the like, that explains the non-NK. So we need to answer whether we should treat ADKs thing as an actual UB claim. As of now, I don't treat it as such; what do you think? Even without taking the claim into account, I strongly townread ADK (did not re-read) for his very hard push on Joseph.
Also, I am confused by the choice of Scola as target.
Governor isn't that unlikely (I will admit I haven't crunched any of the actual numbers) and I'm assuming Joseph's claim was an attempt to be save and/or out the actual UB. Other than the IC status, the role isn't all that powerful, and Joseph being saved would be super crappy because we would 1) lose a day, 2) have to spend D2 in a 1v1, and 3) people might use their N1 actions suboptimally with the misinformation. I made the decision to claim
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Fair enough, sounds sensible (governor likelihood is btw 20% conditioning on a UB if my code is correct); especially after weighing in WIFOM from roles like Virgin or so to avoid the NK.
Did you think about avoiding your NK that way or wasn't that part of your considerations?
PPE: 3
I fully expected to be NK'd, that wasn't part of my consideration
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Just a few of Dylan's posts:
Call me the shepherd, cuz I've apparently got a lot of sheep haha.
I voted scola for seeming to use a joke RVS vote to create an actual wagon on Joseph as the 3rd vote on the wagon. It was a real vote since my LL vote was clearly RVS and that was the first scummy thing I'd noticed, but I did not expect that to kick off a wagon with that little substance. I still stand by it being a slightly scummy post, so I'm leaving my vote for now, that was just unexpected to come back and see the wagon that blew up. I agree with Didds there was probably scum somewhere behind me on the wagon.
post noted by Calamitis as scummy
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I agree, I don't really think what Joseph did was scummy. I know I'm not the first to say this, but I'm more inclined to look at the people that are most focused on him instead.
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Defending Joseph. In fact, is very consistent in his defense of Joseph and never really even entertains the thought that Joseph is scum
So earlier I thought scum likely helped build momentum for the scola wagon, and I think scum would be likely to be pushing for Joseph to some extent. The pool of people who were in both those sets are ADK and LL. I would vote for either equally, but for now since I don't think I've ever played with ADK, Vote: LL.
saying scum are people who voted for BOTH scola and Joseph. One we know is town, one we know is scum. Looking at this intersection and using it to vote for someone I think is interesting, and potentially scummy
ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Based on last game, that means that's the scum team right? haha jk. I think right now I'm still leaning scola for today. LL and ADK are options based on the wagon argument I had earlier. Agree town on the bird at least.
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Joking about who the scum team is
I was about to post explaining a few more scum points I've given scola and vote there, but I after soloing WCD due to e's posts, I buy it enough to vote: WCD instead for now.
For the record, the short version is that scola's last 3 posts have basically been identical, and they've been such that one of them wouldn't really be scummy, but not contributing other content in between posts like them definitely is.
Jumping on a new alternative wagon to Joseph
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Started doing this but decided to post Space first as I was more confident about them.
In addition to what I quoted first, those two hit my eyes while re-reading. Dylan seemed to me (though I haven't checked this too carefully, i.e. didn't check timestamps and stuff) at one point actively avoiding to comment on Joseph as of thinking what to say. Instead, he made this helpful, but nothing-saying comment.
@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
I mean except last game right?
But unlike last game, I do not see a whole hell of a lot of a reason why you stand out today.
I agree, I don't really think what Joseph did was scummy. I know I'm not the first to say this, but I'm more inclined to look at the people that are most focused on him instead.
ppe 1
Then I saw this one, that struck me as well.
I think I don't trust any of the lurkers (e, Space, Calamitas) right now
1. You're oddly missing Dylan in the "lurkers list".
But to be honest, the later part of the day did make me doubt this a bit, I mean, I actually agreed with his argument against lynching Joseph; so that part makes sense from a town perspective (also, Space had a similar sentiment).
Nevertheless, scummy I would say. Still need to decide whom out of mail-mi, Dylan and Swowl I prefer as of now.
(Have some quotes on mail-mi going next, didn't carefully checked Swowl yet but seemed to weirdly avoid Joseph)
PPE: many
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Started doing this but decided to post Space first as I was more confident about them.
In addition to what I quoted first, those two hit my eyes while re-reading. Dylan seemed to me (though I haven't checked this too carefully, i.e. didn't check timestamps and stuff) at one point actively avoiding to comment on Joseph as of thinking what to say. Instead, he made this helpful, but nothing-saying comment.
@ scolapasta -
you have any reads or avenues you like at this point?
your current vote is RVS or no?
you also played the last M game with Joseph, and he was skum then. How you feel about Joseph now?
I don't think we've played before. I'm always town and usually mislynched
Swowl = DatSwan. Username change, not player change.
I mean except last game right?
But unlike last game, I do not see a whole hell of a lot of a reason why you stand out today.
I agree, I don't really think what Joseph did was scummy. I know I'm not the first to say this, but I'm more inclined to look at the people that are most focused on him instead.
ppe 1
Then I saw this one, that struck me as well.
I think I don't trust any of the lurkers (e, Space, Calamitas) right now
1. You're oddly missing Dylan in the "lurkers list".
QUOTE FAIL
But to be honest, the later part of the day did make me doubt this a bit, I mean, I actually agreed with his argument against lynching Joseph; so that part makes sense from a town perspective (also, Space had a similar sentiment).
Nevertheless, scummy I would say. Still need to decide whom out of mail-mi, Dylan and Swowl I prefer as of now.
(Have some quotes on mail-mi going next, didn't carefully checked Swowl yet but seemed to weirdly avoid Joseph)
PPE: many
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Hmm
Scola was the main alternative wagon to joseph; if joseph's partners were both bussing, then killing scola and revealing him as town would be a good way to paint the people who ended the day voting for him as scummy
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Finally some mail-mi quotes I really don't like. He was pushing against Joseph in a playful way at the perfect time from the perspective from scum. At the point where there wasn't a strong case on Joseph and small, innocent seeming stuff can easily avert attention lynch (see how scola evaporated)
Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
Why no number for voting Joseph?
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a menu option. He is acting like himself, which is decidedly null. Please press 4 to listen to the menu again, or state which option you would like.
I agree that Joseph's behaviour is very Joseph-like, rather than being necessarily role-indicative. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad lynch for D1.
It seems to me that your preference for lynches is currently set to "scum." Are you sure you'd like me to switch that to "players with an easily lynchable meta"?
this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
I'm sorry, Joseph is not a valid menu option. Please restate which option you'd like to follow, or press 4 to hear the menu again.
PPE: 1
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b) From the point of a stats person, "Expected number of PRs" is a weird thing to ask for and not the reason why we are doing stats. This sounds much like him not having the stats and not knowing what exactly is interesting
Haha, yes! I wondered whether to townread you for the same reason (i.e. Joseph not asking the right question), except that if you're scum then I can kind of imaging you being smart and devious enough to mislead Joseph with exactly that plan in mind :-P Does an uncoached Joseph even use "expected number" in the technical sense?
I also worried that you were kind of quick to criticise me for talking about stats (e.g. #253) without any confirmation for you that I'm townie... the only way you could be confident that I'm town (especially back at that stage in the game) would be if you're scum and therefore know I'm not. But then being paranoid about you is probably another of my ingrained biases :-)
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Hmm
Scola was the main alternative wagon to joseph; if joseph's partners were both bussing, then killing scola and revealing him as town would be a good way to paint the people who ended the day voting for him as scummy
Good catch, not sure what to make of that though. The choice seems still just super weird to me, need to think about this.
PPE: 1
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b) From the point of a stats person, "Expected number of PRs" is a weird thing to ask for and not the reason why we are doing stats. This sounds much like him not having the stats and not knowing what exactly is interesting
Haha, yes! I wondered whether to townread you for the same reason (i.e. Joseph not asking the right question), except that if you're scum then I can kind of imaging you being smart and devious enough to mislead Joseph with exactly that plan in mind :-P Does an uncoached Joseph even use "expected number" in the technical sense?
I also worried that you were kind of quick to criticise me for talking about stats (e.g. #253) without any confirmation for you that I'm townie... the only way you could be confident that I'm town (especially back at that stage in the game) would be if you're scum and therefore know I'm not. But then being paranoid about you is probably another of my ingrained biases :-)
I can live with being a null-read all-the-time, because my scum game being assumed as perfect :D
And I mean, the reason why I reacted so quickly was the felt "I want to talk about stats to get out of this messy nothing"-mode and relate to that, but saw it as not helpful for town
Tbh, I didn't even think about your alignment in that moment, it seemed like just a bad topic to talk about. Actually, I felt a little bad after commenting "Big promise" on your first stats post in a bit of excited-rush and censored myself to not bring it up again :D
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@Calamitas, would you like to do a quick sanity-check for me? I'm looking at the probablility of having a UB in the game, and I'm still finding it unintuitively low. Have you evaluated any kind of distribution on this?
(I did both the overall naive one, and the one conditioned on having at most 4 T rolls, given that Joseph's flip tells us we're not in a 5*T or 6*T set-up).
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@Calamitas, would you like to do a quick sanity-check for me? I'm looking at the probablility of having a UB in the game, and I'm still finding it unintuitively low. Have you evaluated any kind of distribution on this?
(I did both the overall naive one, and the one conditioned on having at most 4 T rolls, given that Joseph's flip tells us we're not in a 5*T or 6*T set-up).
Same, I get just 62% for UB. Was really confused.
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@Calamitas, would you like to do a quick sanity-check for me? I'm looking at the probablility of having a UB in the game, and I'm still finding it unintuitively low. Have you evaluated any kind of distribution on this?
(I did both the overall naive one, and the one conditioned on having at most 4 T rolls, given that Joseph's flip tells us we're not in a 5*T or 6*T set-up).
Same, I get just 62% for UB. Was really confused.
For the naive one, did forget about conditioning on Mafias flip. But will not change much I assume.
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@Calamitas, would you like to do a quick sanity-check for me? I'm looking at the probablility of having a UB in the game, and I'm still finding it unintuitively low. Have you evaluated any kind of distribution on this?
(I did both the overall naive one, and the one conditioned on having at most 4 T rolls, given that Joseph's flip tells us we're not in a 5*T or 6*T set-up).
Same, I get just 62% for UB. Was really confused.
For the naive one, did forget about conditioning on Mafias flip. But will not change much I assume.
What is the goal for figuring out these probabilities? To see if ADK is fake claiming UB? Where Joseph fakes during twilight, then ADK fakes during twilight?
I don't care how the probabilities work, sometimes the simple solution is the right one. That is, ADK is the UB and town.
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vote: joseph just so we actually get a lynch.
I am confused by this. I just re-read yuma, they (he?she?)
1) pointed out Joseph was scummy
2) forgot to vote for him
3) then said it should gain traction
4) moved (though not just out of not-traction if I see it correctly)
5)Voted Joseph "so we actually get a lynch"
Yuma scumread Joseph hard most of the day, this statement sounds too weak for me
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@Calamitas, would you like to do a quick sanity-check for me? I'm looking at the probablility of having a UB in the game, and I'm still finding it unintuitively low. Have you evaluated any kind of distribution on this?
(I did both the overall naive one, and the one conditioned on having at most 4 T rolls, given that Joseph's flip tells us we're not in a 5*T or 6*T set-up).
Same, I get just 62% for UB. Was really confused.
For the naive one, did forget about conditioning on Mafias flip. But will not change much I assume.
What is the goal for figuring out these probabilities? To see if ADK is fake claiming UB? Where Joseph fakes during twilight, then ADK fakes during twilight?
I don't care how the probabilities work, sometimes the simple solution is the right one. That is, ADK is the UB and town.
I agree, as I said earlier I think the details don't matter. But I mean, if you get an intuitively too low number for something then asking the other person who has coded the setup is quite natural, I would say.
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ADK, Didds, Yuma and LL were the main people voting Joseph in the first half of D1, along with scola.
Calamitas L-2'd him at #304. Yuma moved off to Didds (e's brand new wagon) at #316, taking the wagon down to L-3, but came back to make it L-1 after Scola had re-joined.
If anyone looks scummy purely based on wagon motion in all that, it's Yuma.
PPE several: yes, what Calamitas said about wanting a sanity-check on the number :-)
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yes, what Calamitas said about wanting a sanity-check on the number :-)
But I am still curious for why you started to check it in the first place. Do you think it matters?
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yes, what Calamitas said about wanting a sanity-check on the number :-)
But I am still curious for why you started to check it in the first place. Do you think it matters?
It's good to have independent verification, because there may be other inferences I want to do with my system, and as you've now agreed, that number wasn't exactly what our guts expected.
Also, it's useful to know that you agreed so quickly, because it means that scum!you could easily have know that UB wasn't as high-likelihood as most people would have thought, so probably you weren't coaching that behind the scenes. (It's worth noting here that apparently the Mafia QT opens in twilight, which I hadn't noticed/remembered till I went back to check the fine print in the set-up).
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Swowl is pushing hard against Joseph and weirdly flippy about Scola. I really don't like that.
I mean, why did he townread Joseph and said "basically everyone else is fine?".
Null-reading Joseph I can understand, I did that myself (he was second on my preference list as I don't think he is quite the biggest asset town making him the best choice among null-reads). But why a strong townread?
Yams - What number do I dial to talk to someone that wants to look at lynch that isn't scolapasta or joseph?
well I like ADK the most, but I am accepting that is probably not going to happen. Also, they were on your town list, so responding to you I will leave them off. So I guess....
MailMi, LaLight
gap
scolapasta
Vote:scolapasta
not my favorite thing ever.
who is around?
Relevant analysis from Space
The person I'm feeling most confused on is Swowl, because I feel like he switches back and forth a number of times on what to think about Joseph, and I don't quite see a reason behind that.
ADK voted Joseph at #117, over the "unvote" stuff around putting Scola at L-1.
Swowl voted ADK as a first real post of the game at #133, but then immediately at #134 asked Mail-mi why he wasn't offering a "vote Joseph" option. His possible distain for Joseph's play is then backed up in #135 where he points out that observing who's looking at the thread is not that useful.
Finally queries LL on being "ok" with either of Joseph or Scola in #136. So the mood in #133 and #136 seemed against people wanting to lynch Joseph, while in #134 and #136 it seemed to be actively open to a Joseph lynch, or at the very least, pointing out that Joseph wasn't being helpfully pro-town.
I guess from #165 & #169 onwards he's settled on wanting to lynch people who though Joseph was scummy, with ADK apparently being top of the list still. I don't see any real justification for how he doesn't seem to think Joseph or Scola deserve votes, and indeed he goes out of his way to ask Scola some questions at 200 that he never goes back and re-engages with. I see that at #212 he says he just doesn't think people who pick up early wagons are ever scum, but that's a very convenient way to avoid having to say anything about any actual play made by either Joseph or Scola.
And then at #236, Scola appears at a second tier of what I assume is a scum-to-chum list, which is unexpected given that he was asking for alternatives to both Joseph and Scola earlier. And what's more, he was asking Mail-mi for alternatives, and apparently Mail-mi is right up there at tier one, too. So yeah, that just doesn't feel super-consistent to me.
PPE 2
Also, I am curious about the connection between Scola and Swowl, there seems to be some history there
PPE: 1
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yes, what Calamitas said about wanting a sanity-check on the number :-)
But I am still curious for why you started to check it in the first place. Do you think it matters?
It's good to have independent verification, because there may be other inferences I want to do with my system, and as you've now agreed, that number wasn't exactly what our guts expected.
Also, it's useful to know that you agreed so quickly, because it means that scum!you could easily have know that UB wasn't as high-likelihood as most people would have thought, so probably you weren't coaching that behind the scenes. (It's worth noting here that apparently the Mafia QT opens in twilight, which I hadn't noticed/remembered till I went back to check the fine print in the set-up).
Uff, I hear that with Twilight for the first time. Now I am getting paranoid as well. Though I honestly don't see why you think this is reassuring in relation to me? If anything shouldn't you be more sceptical of me now, as this increases the value of all sorts of UB fakeclaims? I need to think this through in a calmer moment
Being off for a while, I think I did quite make up for my lurking at D1 ;-) I almost forgot how much fun real mafia is :D
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
Still here for another post :D
Just noticed that the second half ("seems I was wrong") is too weak given the "definitely" in the first part. I wouldn't have phrased it that way if I just saw something that fully convinced me that my belief was bullshit.
I think all in all vote: mail-mi for now, but I also don't like Dylan and Swowl as I said.
Townreading Space, ADK (basically IC)
Confused: e, yuma
Null: LaLight, West
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Uff, I hear that with Twilight for the first time. Now I am getting paranoid as well. Though I honestly don't see why you think this is reassuring in relation to me? If anything shouldn't you be more sceptical of me now, as this increases the value of all sorts of UB fakeclaims?
Not really, because you'd have been able to give him the marginal likelihood of there being at least one instance of any given role in the game, even conditioning on whatever Mafia knows about the number of Ts rolled. I think it would have been smarter for him to have claimed a high-likelihood PR, even if there's a chance of there being multiples in the game.
Being off for a while, I think I did quite make up for my lurking at D1 ;-) I almost forgot how much fun real mafia is :D
You're now the only player who's made more in-game posts than Joseph. Though that means at least 50% of our top posters are scummy, and may not be the vibe you're going for exaclty.
PPE 1: And you're still going :-P I too should step away from the game and do more productive things!
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There are 2 things I want to do today (game day). Evaluate votes from yesterday (and fortunately yesterday was short) and evaluate people's reactions to my posts yesterday (I was going to vote for scola since I found him scummy flipping back and forth on me yesterday, but here we are). I should have time to do at least one of those today (IRL day). First I'll respond to votes on me though.
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Dylan and calamitis are both scum then I suppose.
At least, calamitis is doing the classic "these three are scummy, let me focus in on one [mail-mi in this case] while ignoring my partner [Dylan]"
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I didn't think that I was going to be alive today but for now I'm feeling vote: mail-mi. Was vocally against the joseph wagon and in a way that makes it impossible to read what his actual intentions were
My actual intentions were that I was townreading Joseph. He seemed like his normal Joseph-y self, and I'm a sucker for people who get mislynched all the time for meta reasons (see: me). In fact, he was one of my only real reads from yesterday. I like to think I'm a little better at playing scum than to come out as the staunchest defender (at least, I think so) of my scum buddy who is more than likely going to be the lynch for the day, though of course it's a WIFOM argument.
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
Still here for another post :D
Just noticed that the second half ("seems I was wrong") is too weak given the "definitely" in the first part. I wouldn't have phrased it that way if I just saw something that fully convinced me that my belief was bullshit.
I think all in all vote: mail-mi for now, but I also don't like Dylan and Swowl as I said.
Townreading Space, ADK (basically IC)
Confused: e, yuma
Null: LaLight, West
I think you're reading too much into this specific post.
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But yeah, I can totally see a calamitis/Dylan/Joseph team.
I do need to reread calamitis' D1 though
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Howdy hi!
Poor Scola...you are missed, friend.
Yesterday, the biggest friends-of-Jospeh were Swowl, mail-mi and Dylan. But I am not sure how that list resonates with the Scola kill. Who would he have been a threat to? Or was offing him a hope that he as a PR. He was the UB in the M game before this one and was super-subtle about it, so if the baddies were also in that game (ie, swowl, Dylan, yuma) he might have seemed a good target.
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definitely vote: Dylan
wanted to do this yesterday after weird flipflop on me, but Joseph was scummier, of course
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Dylan and calamitis are both scum then I suppose.
At least, calamitis is doing the classic "these three are scummy, let me focus in on one [mail-mi in this case] while ignoring my partner [Dylan]"
I thought his Dylan-is-scummy post at #389 was good, though. He highlighted something I found odd about Dylan that I don't think anyone else had posted about, and that seems an odd thing to do as a scum-buddy. The thing in question was the way Dylan came back after a long game-absence (>2.5 IRL-days) and the first think he commented was a short correction to Joseph's misunderstanding about Swowl's identity.
Calamitas put it in terms of Dylan not interacting much with Joseph except for that exchange, which actually goes further than what I'd noticed, which was just that it felt like a really weird way to come back into the game, especially not commenting on anything else that was going on around it at the time. I don't feel like scum!Calamitas would draw attention to that lack of engagement between Joseph and Dylan if he was their buddy and nobody else was even talking about it.
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Dylan and calamitis are both scum then I suppose.
At least, calamitis is doing the classic "these three are scummy, let me focus in on one [mail-mi in this case] while ignoring my partner [Dylan]"
I thought his Dylan-is-scummy post at #389 was good, though. He highlighted something I found odd about Dylan that I don't think anyone else had posted about, and that seems an odd thing to do as a scum-buddy. The thing in question was the way Dylan came back after a long game-absence (>2.5 IRL-days) and the first think he commented was a short correction to Joseph's misunderstanding about Swowl's identity.
Calamitas put it in terms of Dylan not interacting much with Joseph except for that exchange, which actually goes further than what I'd noticed, which was just that it felt like a really weird way to come back into the game, especially not commenting on anything else that was going on around it at the time. I don't feel like scum!Calamitas would draw attention to that lack of engagement between Joseph and Dylan if he was their buddy and nobody else was even talking about it.
True, but then he follows that up with a mail-mi vote? It looks like partner-distancing.
I mean, dylan is still my lynch of choice for today. Calamitis is on my radar though
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Not distancing, that wasn't the right word.
The "group my teammate with scum then vote on the weaker case"
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To be clear, I wasn't town reading Joseph, he was decidedly null. I just don't like voting for null reads that are commonly mislynched, because that's the kind of thing that eventually sucks the fun out of the game for people. I just came off of a game where I correctly read him as scum D1, and I just didn't think the things people pointed to were scummy coming from Joseph.
And that was a joke, so Unvote
I don't get it
The best jokes are the ones that need to be explained more. But actually, Joseph can do some crazy stuff, I don't think voting to L-1 here is a scum tell
Swan! How are you?? I miss talking to you every day!
You don’t find Joseph’s L-1 shenanigans scummy?
Right?!? We should just get our own thread every game.
And no? Idk I don’t really get what the skummy part is about it. Like if putting them at L1 is skummy then putting them at L2 L3 etc should also be skummy. But the only reason to think it is skummy is “if you know the wagon is town”. So, for now i am more interested in The people that found Joseph skummy rather than Joseph themself.
this makes a lot of sense
I am also around, and we do need a Lynch
We also don't need last second claims.
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Meh
Vote: Joseph
I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
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Catching up as I go here, but as I meant to respond to this Space quote yesterday, and now you are asking similar things... I will start here:
Joseph -
1) As I stated multiple times already...I did not like that it got picked up so quickly for such a weak reason and continued to linger, and/or build for pretty much the entire day. That made me suspicious.
2) Which led me to thinking that the people that fell in line straight off onto the Joseph wagon, were potentially suspicious. As it turns out... wrong on all accounts. ADK was only skummy because I thought Joseph was towny, now... that is all garbage so meh.
3) I defended him in attempts to get people to interact with me regarding their reasons as to why they were skummy. Also, because I thought he was town based on the above and their general play of the game. When I did not get any new and fun reasons from people voting Joseph - or those looking for a place to move their vote - yet no one moved away from Joseph, and people whom needed to move a vote end of day moved to Joseph... it just overly solidified my hunch it was Town!Joseph.
Flippy Floppy with scola -
1) IDK what you mean by this. There were two viable wagons at the end of the day. I was very very clearly against Joseph. scola was the other option. There was no flippy floppy at all here, my view essentially never changed on scola, the time tables of the day just advanced which made them a relatively better option then they were prior.
2) Also, as the day advanced and so many people talked about "being ok with lynching them" but lots of people did not actually go for it... that also made me raise my brows a little bit.
History with me and scola -
1) No clue. We have played a few together, coming off a longer one. Like I said above, I did not love the lynch choice, but I preferred it to Joseph. That is what was meant by "not my favorite thing ever".
Space - I believe the above should pretty much fill in the gaps for your stuff. But just to be clear... it felt inconsistent because it was inconsistent. I did not like the Joseph wagon, nor did I like the scolapasta wagon. Time passes, I cannot get any traction on anything I wanted. We get to DL time... It was the same it was before simply with less time to deal with... I still did not like the Joseph Wagon, and I was not a huge fan of the scola lynch... but I preferred scola over Joseph... so scola it became.
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
By lucky enough to be... I meant as it regards timezones and the deadline being such that you were able to be online, not that you being online specifically was alignment related, as most of the US based players wouldn't have had the opportunity to hammer there no matter what their alignment unless they got up really early or stayed up extremely late. And are you saying the angle in the 3rd line is a town narrative for it? Because scum could just as easily see the inevitable and go for town cred after not being active D1.
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
By lucky enough to be... I meant as it regards timezones and the deadline being such that you were able to be online, not that you being online specifically was alignment related, as most of the US based players wouldn't have had the opportunity to hammer there no matter what their alignment unless they got up really early or stayed up extremely late. And are you saying the angle in the 3rd line is a town narrative for it? Because scum could just as easily see the inevitable and go for town cred after not being active D1.
I was going angle from your perspective. i.e. I am scum and needed town cred so I hammered my partner.
While a viable option (and understandable argument from scum!dylan), it is incorrect. I am a firm believer in town being much more likely to win with a scum D1 lynch. I don't lynch my partner there. I lurk and hope that something crazy happens and my partner survives.
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Something I forgot to post earlier on the scola L-1 thing. Joseph mentioned looking to see who was online at the time, and I feel like there's a reasonable chance that he wasn't making that part up.
I wonder whether it's actually possible that his intention was to put scola to L-1 so that an off-wagon buddy would come along and drop the hammer. While people have already pointed out that no sensible scum would do that sort of thing D1, we already know that Joseph was being a bit obvious about his play, so maybe it actually seemed like a good idea to him at the time.
If that actually is the case, it implies that at least one scum was off-wagon at the time Joseph L-1'd scola:
scolapasta (6): Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas, Joseph2302
which in turn implies at most one scum in {Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas}, and at least one scum in {2.71828, Yuma, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, Swowl}.
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
By lucky enough to be... I meant as it regards timezones and the deadline being such that you were able to be online, not that you being online specifically was alignment related, as most of the US based players wouldn't have had the opportunity to hammer there no matter what their alignment unless they got up really early or stayed up extremely late. And are you saying the angle in the 3rd line is a town narrative for it? Because scum could just as easily see the inevitable and go for town cred after not being active D1.
I was going angle from your perspective. i.e. I am scum and needed town cred so I hammered my partner.
While a viable option (and understandable argument from scum!dylan), it is incorrect. I am a firm believer in town being much more likely to win with a scum D1 lynch. I don't lynch my partner there. I lurk and hope that something crazy happens and my partner survives.
I guess with you not being in the last game, you may not know this, but last game scum declared intent to hammer scum!Joseph D1, but the deadline passed before they did, and that failure to hammer basically lost scum the game, where if they had actually hammered, they probably would have avoided much scrutiny for a bit longer. Of course just not showing up in order to hammer is different than declaring intent to hammer and then not. So my perspective is that scum would have been fairly likely to go ahead and hammer there if they were online. In a lot of cases, there is time to lurk and hope crazy things happen. And way to categorize that angle as only reasonable from scum!me, when it makes perfect sense from town!me's perspective here too.
Also, the whole "we don't need any claims here" *hammer* "Thanks for not giving me time to claim, I'm the UB" sequence seems like a planned contingency from N0 in order to either out the real UB or figure out if there was one or not. Given Joseph's proclivity to be a D1 lynch candidate, it doesn't much to think he would throw out something like, hey, if I'm on the block D1, go ahead and hammer. If I can out a PR I will.
ppe 1
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
Here's the final vote count from yesterday, color-coded for people we know are town/scum. This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
We're looking at 2 more scum. I think it's unlikely that both of them are on scola, but I think one of them is. So I think there's definitely scum in [mail-mi, Swowl, Dylan32]. From my perspective, there's scum in [Swowl, Dylan32]. Honorable mention goes to Space.
There's a lot of players on Joseph (6, actually). ADK is obv!town, if he's scum, gg. I think LaLight was on Joseph the whole day, which is a ballsy scum move if they're scum, so I think I'm handing them townpoints for it. WCD got some heat yesterday and I think her reaction to it was townie. I found Calamitas scummy yesterday, and this isn't a bad bussing spot to be in, so minor scum points.
I think the 2 scummiest on the wagon are yuma and e, but I don't think it can be both of them.
Scum!yuma scenario: I can see scum!yuma coming in, voting Joseph to L-1, and hoping for a classic F.DS end-of-d1 scramble to lynch someone else, then town!e hammers and crushes all of scum!yuma's dreams.
Scum!e scenario: Exactly what e himself described: going for the hammer on his buddy for a last-ditch attempt at towncred after being absent for most of D1.
Hm, now that I'm thinking about this, I think I'm starting to agree with Dylan on e. I need to do a reread, but let's not forget that e came in in the middle of the day (when the competing wagons were still scola and Joseph) and tried to start a whole new thing on WCD, which Joseph latched onto (as well as Swowl). I would not be surprised at and am currently calling a Swowl/e/Joseph scumteam.
vote: e
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Vote Count 2.1
mail-mi (2): A Drowned Kernel, Calamitas
Dylan32 (2): 2.71828....., LaLight
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, yuma, DatSwan
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends June 02, 2020, 05:30:00 am.
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
Here's the final vote count from yesterday, color-coded for people we know are town/scum. This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
We're looking at 2 more scum. I think it's unlikely that both of them are on scola, but I think one of them is. So I think there's definitely scum in [mail-mi, Swowl, Dylan32]. From my perspective, there's scum in [Swowl, Dylan32]. Honorable mention goes to Space.
There's a lot of players on Joseph (6, actually). ADK is obv!town, if he's scum, gg. I think LaLight was on Joseph the whole day, which is a ballsy scum move if they're scum, so I think I'm handing them townpoints for it. WCD got some heat yesterday and I think her reaction to it was townie. I found Calamitas scummy yesterday, and this isn't a bad bussing spot to be in, so minor scum points.
I think the 2 scummiest on the wagon are yuma and e, but I don't think it can be both of them.
Scum!yuma scenario: I can see scum!yuma coming in, voting Joseph to L-1, and hoping for a classic F.DS end-of-d1 scramble to lynch someone else, then town!e hammers and crushes all of scum!yuma's dreams.
Scum!e scenario: Exactly what e himself described: going for the hammer on his buddy for a last-ditch attempt at towncred after being absent for most of D1.
Hm, now that I'm thinking about this, I think I'm starting to agree with Dylan on e. I need to do a reread, but let's not forget that e came in in the middle of the day (when the competing wagons were still scola and Joseph) and tried to start a whole new thing on WCD, which Joseph latched onto (as well as Swowl). I would not be surprised at and am currently calling a Swowl/e/Joseph scumteam.
vote: e
Correction - I did not say i was on board with WCD.
I do agree with you wagon analysis outside of that though. I have one other point of view I’ll get to shortly, but most of the scenarios make sense.
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trying to do a little bit of a general read through.
First thing that pops out is the height of the scolapasta wagon, when Joseph put them at L-1:
scolapasta (6): Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas, Joseph2302
A Drowned Kernel (2): SpaceAnemone, yuma
Joseph2302 (1): scolapasta
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, DatSwan
Two things I guess:
1) I believe that the reason he tried to set this up was to get town to make a mistake with a quick hammer. The day was dragging on, moving slowly, and just kind of the only situation in which town may actually consider doing it. Not the best theory, but IDK how many other reasons there could be.
2) I think the reason they jumped off all of sudden was because in fact THEY were the one that made a mistake. I think they tried to do a thing and then realized that the scolapasta wagon was saturated with skum. Whether it was just him and another or all three of them, idk.
So point 1 would have us believe that there were enough town off wagon to give a high enough possibility to possibly find a quick hammer from town, and point 2 would suggest, in agreement with point 1, that there was at least some other skum on that wagon.
TLDR;
I think there is essentially a 100% chance of finding skum in [Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas].
Removing ADK for now, for obv reasons, leaves the pool of [Dylan32, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas].
I know that sounds kind of "stretch-y", but there are only so many options. Either...
a) All three skum was on the scola wagon
b) Joseph +1 on scola, and other off wagon
c) Joseph was only skum on scola wagon
I think "c" is unlikely.
The final wagon was:
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
So there were two players in the grouping of [Dylan, LL, MailMi, Calamitas] that were both on scola and did not want to go to Joseph at the end. Those players were - [Dylan, MailMi]. LL got on pretty damn early, so I mean... that looks decent. Calam was the person on the scola wagon right before Joseph put it at L1, and then had that "convenient placement" in the Joseph wagon... so maybe that could be a bus, but I think MailMi/Dylan has a much stronger chance at this point.
I thought MailMi was on the radar yesterday, so for now gonna go with
Vote: Mail-Mi
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
Here's the final vote count from yesterday, color-coded for people we know are town/scum. This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
We're looking at 2 more scum. I think it's unlikely that both of them are on scola, but I think one of them is. So I think there's definitely scum in [mail-mi, Swowl, Dylan32]. From my perspective, there's scum in [Swowl, Dylan32]. Honorable mention goes to Space.
There's a lot of players on Joseph (6, actually). ADK is obv!town, if he's scum, gg. I think LaLight was on Joseph the whole day, which is a ballsy scum move if they're scum, so I think I'm handing them townpoints for it. WCD got some heat yesterday and I think her reaction to it was townie. I found Calamitas scummy yesterday, and this isn't a bad bussing spot to be in, so minor scum points.
I think the 2 scummiest on the wagon are yuma and e, but I don't think it can be both of them.
Scum!yuma scenario: I can see scum!yuma coming in, voting Joseph to L-1, and hoping for a classic F.DS end-of-d1 scramble to lynch someone else, then town!e hammers and crushes all of scum!yuma's dreams.
Scum!e scenario: Exactly what e himself described: going for the hammer on his buddy for a last-ditch attempt at towncred after being absent for most of D1.
Hm, now that I'm thinking about this, I think I'm starting to agree with Dylan on e. I need to do a reread, but let's not forget that e came in in the middle of the day (when the competing wagons were still scola and Joseph) and tried to start a whole new thing on WCD, which Joseph latched onto (as well as Swowl). I would not be surprised at and am currently calling a Swowl/e/Joseph scumteam.
vote: e
I have no clue how you look at that wagon and say the two scummiest are the final two votes. It makes zero sense
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I have no clue how you look at that wagon and say the two scummiest are the final two votes. It makes zero sense
ADK is town. LaLight is pretty townie from it to. I townread WCD. The last people left on the wagon are [Calamitas, 2.7, yuma] and I think at least one of them is scum, and most likely you.
I can be persuaded to one of the others, though.
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I have no clue how you look at that wagon and say the two scummiest are the final two votes. It makes zero sense
ADK is town. LaLight is pretty townie from it to. I townread WCD. The last people left on the wagon are [Calamitas, 2.7, yuma] and I think at least one of them is scum, and most likely you.
I can be persuaded to one of the others, though.
Why is your first instinct to look on wagon?
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Granted, bussing D1 can happen, but it is not something that scum want to do. I think it was ashersky who mentioned once that they straight up don't bus scum D1 a while back. I am not hard line like that, but pretty close
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Granted, bussing D1 can happen, but it is not something that scum want to do. I think it was ashersky who mentioned once that they straight up don't bus scum D1 a while back. I am not hard line like that, but pretty close
If you recall, I also looked off wagon. I think there's one scum in [calamitas, 2.7, yuma] and one scum in [dylan, swowl, space]. Again, I can be convinced to vote elsewhere, but I haven't been yet.
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So you say that one scum exists in [Yuma, calamitis, e] and then one scum in [space, Dylan, swowl].
Why is swowl the third scum? What do you think of my case on Dylan?
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
By lucky enough to be... I meant as it regards timezones and the deadline being such that you were able to be online, not that you being online specifically was alignment related, as most of the US based players wouldn't have had the opportunity to hammer there no matter what their alignment unless they got up really early or stayed up extremely late. And are you saying the angle in the 3rd line is a town narrative for it? Because scum could just as easily see the inevitable and go for town cred after not being active D1.
I was going angle from your perspective. i.e. I am scum and needed town cred so I hammered my partner.
While a viable option (and understandable argument from scum!dylan), it is incorrect. I am a firm believer in town being much more likely to win with a scum D1 lynch. I don't lynch my partner there. I lurk and hope that something crazy happens and my partner survives.
I guess with you not being in the last game, you may not know this, but last game scum declared intent to hammer scum!Joseph D1, but the deadline passed before they did, and that failure to hammer basically lost scum the game, where if they had actually hammered, they probably would have avoided much scrutiny for a bit longer. Of course just not showing up in order to hammer is different than declaring intent to hammer and then not. So my perspective is that scum would have been fairly likely to go ahead and hammer there if they were online. In a lot of cases, there is time to lurk and hope crazy things happen. And way to categorize that angle as only reasonable from scum!me, when it makes perfect sense from town!me's perspective here too.
Also, the whole "we don't need any claims here" *hammer* "Thanks for not giving me time to claim, I'm the UB" sequence seems like a planned contingency from N0 in order to either out the real UB or figure out if there was one or not. Given Joseph's proclivity to be a D1 lynch candidate, it doesn't much to think he would throw out something like, hey, if I'm on the block D1, go ahead and hammer. If I can out a PR I will.
ppe 1
1. If you state an internet to hammer and don't carry through.... Yeah, that's just bad play. One reason why I don't state intent to hammer. I just do it.
2. N0 coordination? Sure...
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So you say that one scum exists in [Yuma, calamitis, e] and then one scum in [space, Dylan, swowl].
Why is swowl the third scum? What do you think of my case on Dylan?
I haven't reread D1, but it seemed like he was hedgy on Joseph and never really took a solid stance (again, could be wrong, needs rereading)
I'd also have to look at that again, but I liked his case on you, so.
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I will be reading this tomorrow evening. Haven't had time for much of anything last few days. I didn't anticipate how busy I would be. Apologies, but will be back soon.
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working on a Dylan rebuttal post/case against him, and noticed this.
Vote Count 1.6
Joseph2302 (4): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight, WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (2): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302
WestCoastDidds (2): 2.71828....., Dylan32
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~13 hours.
I will probably not be around before deadline, have to see. I think I will do vote: Joseph for now. Haven't read WCD so no preference there yet, noticed nothing in the normal flow of the game.
These posts are back to back. If Calamitas is scum, this was a great opportunity to vote on an alternative wagon (WCD potentially), but they chose to vote Joseph. Very townie.
The flip-side is maybe they wanted to partner distance....but, I will just give them the town points and call it a day.
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Let's compare the cases:
scum!e.case) e is basically absent D1 (4 posts prior to the day end burst of activity), has an RVS vote on mail-mi. When e does show up he doesn't like a Joseph lynch and creates an alternative wagon on WCD because he doesn't like the Joseph lynch. non-committal hammer on Joseph feels like a town-cred grab rather than actual townie vote.
scum!Dylan.case) Dylan is relatively active (25 posts on D1), and is consistently anti-Joseph lynch. RVS vote on LL (seems pretty townie) (and all votes do count, say what you want about RVS), creates a wagon on pasta (town), eventually unvotes and doesn't vote again until he jumps on the first pseudo-viable wagon (WCD)
Regarding the WCD wagon. Scum does not typically create a random wagon at the end of the day on someone they know will likely not get lynched (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840248#msg840248). Rather, scum jumps on an alternative wagon that they think could be potentially viable when they get the chance. Dylan had already unvoted pasta earlier in the day and may have felt that re-voting there would be too much of a flip-flop, so when WCD appeared as an option he jumped at the opportunity. Of course, Dylan does end up going back to scolapasta (because of this? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840253#msg840253)). And I end up hammering scum.
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Vote Count 1.7
Joseph2302 (4): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~7 hours.
This is probably my last vote count for this in-game day and I have no idea where faust is, so here's my fair warning.
We regret to inform you that mail-mi will not be awake for deadline, but he will leave with a vote: WCD as a better alternative than Joseph.
This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
WCD is town. vote: scola
This little exchange is interesting. Mail-mi jumping on and off WCD at a critical juncture. I am starting to get much more suspicious of mail-mi than I was.
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
So if we take the two categories of people, this is where I stand
On Wagon
e - Town
ADK - basically IC for me
LaLight - very townie seeming
yuma - middle of the road
WCD - middle of the road
Calamitas - scummiest for being on wagon, but referencing my post above, voted for Joseph at a pretty critical juncture when they didn't have to.
Off Wagon
Space - townier side of things. Need to reread, don't really see anything scummy here though
Swowl - townier side of things. While looking back at mail-mi and Dylan I saw some things that were questionable (as far as defending Joseph), but nothing stands out to me as scummy
mail-mi - The flip-flopping toward deadline and ending up anywhere but Joseph seems suspect
Dylan - my top scum choice
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Current reads:
Scum tier
Dylan, mail-mi
Scummy(ish)
Calamitas
Merits a reread, I don't remember much about them
yuma, WCD, Swowl
Townie(ish)
Space, LaLight
Town
ADK, e
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vote: 2.7
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vote: 2.7
por que?
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vote: 2.7
por que?
Maybe I am being too active now. I should just go back to lurking
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your level of activity is fine, don't let my vote discourage you!
so, I haven't slept for 1,5 days and maybe my logic is flawed, but 2.7 was REALLY deliberate in his last posts. Like, scum deliberate. I mean when I am town, I write blurbs of somewhat meaningful information, when I am scum, I am super confident and make underlined bolded lists. i actually just imagined you doing it and thought, oh, thia guy is scum.
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also, lists
also also the more i think about it, it just means you're a good player.
back to vote: Dylan
and, yeah SDAMA (Sleep Deprived Ask Me Anything)
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I am super confused by e, their argument against me doesn't make sense in the slightest? As I stated, I think all three of Dylan, mail-mi and swowl are scummy and thought the mail-mi case to be a bit stronger. It's not like Dylan is orders of magnitude scummier than mail-mi; if so please analyse them side-by-side and tell me why.
All my actions are extremely clear from my town perspective. As I said, I didn't think Josephs stuff was alignment indicative. Joseph does weird stuff all the time. Thus I did nullread him but stated (or at least thought when Space was posting similar stuff, I didn't want to insult Joseph at the time) from the very beginning onwards that Joseph is one of the better misslynchs and thus my favourite target from the nullread people. This is very much my style in every single game, you modded XKCD mafia. I am absolutely terrible at making reads D1 and base my decisions on general principles and sometimes single posts I think are somewhat indicative as I judge basically everything as null D1.
Before I went to bed, I did the action that would most likely ensure a lynch and it did as town!me would do every single time there.
Then on D2, I re-read, saw Dylan's scummy post, noticed it and made a quick comment before going offline to . If you don't think I am more likely to do that as town then you are clearly miss-calibrated. While continuing to read, I saw more stuff indicating Dylan but also saw a potentially coherent town-narrative. Some posts felt genuine to me. I stand by my case made and it's as comprehensive as anything I have seen in this game.
Mail-mi does stuff very similar to Dylan and as I wanted to leave a vote before going offline for some time, I voted mail-mi as expressed in #406. I explicitly stated that I don't have a strong preference, note the "I think", "for now", "also don't like" as I didn't have the time to carefully weigh the evidence against all parties involved.
I really don't get why you are so confident that mail-mi is town and Dylan scum. I am genuinely uncertain who is more likely out of those two to be scum and I think I have presented two good cases.
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Current reads:
Scum tier
Dylan, mail-mi
Scummy(ish)
Calamitas
Merits a reread, I don't remember much about them
yuma, WCD, Swowl
Townie(ish)
Space, LaLight
Town
ADK, e
Btw, this table is not distinguishing between Dylan and mail-mi. A bit weird given that you think that the difference is so monumental to merit my being scummyish despite decidedly towny actions for my non-confident choice between the two *shrug
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I am super confused by e, their argument against me doesn't make sense in the slightest? As I stated, I think all three of Dylan, mail-mi and swowl are scummy and thought the mail-mi case to be a bit stronger. It's not like Dylan is orders of magnitude scummier than mail-mi; if so please analyse them side-by-side and tell me why.
I think mail-mi and Dylan are both scummy (if not both scum)
All my actions are extremely clear from my town perspective. As I said, I didn't think Josephs stuff was alignment indicative. Joseph does weird stuff all the time. Thus I did nullread him but stated (or at least thought when Space was posting similar stuff, I didn't want to insult Joseph at the time) from the very beginning onwards that Joseph is one of the better misslynchs and thus my favourite target from the nullread people. This is very much my style in every single game, you modded XKCD mafia. I am absolutely terrible at making reads D1 and base my decisions on general principles and sometimes single posts I think are somewhat indicative as I judge basically everything as null D1.
Before I went to bed, I did the action that would most likely ensure a lynch and it did as town!me would do every single time there.
Which is why my scum read on you has significantly lessened over the course of the morning, I just kept you in the scummy(ish) category because of my reactions earlier in D2
Then on D2, I re-read, saw Dylan's scummy post, noticed it and made a quick comment before going offline to . If you don't think I am more likely to do that as town then you are clearly miss-calibrated. While continuing to read, I saw more stuff indicating Dylan but also saw a potentially coherent town-narrative. Some posts felt genuine to me. I stand by my case made and it's as comprehensive as anything I have seen in this game.
Mail-mi does stuff very similar to Dylan and as I wanted to leave a vote before going offline for some time, I voted mail-mi as expressed in #406. I explicitly stated that I don't have a strong preference, note the "I think", "for now", "also don't like" as I didn't have the time to carefully weigh the evidence against all parties involved.
I really don't get why you are so confident that mail-mi is town and Dylan scum. I am genuinely uncertain who is more likely out of those two to be scum and I think I have presented two good cases.
I feel like you read some of my earlier posts and missed the later ones. Or I wasn't clear. I do think both mail-mi and Dylan are scum. Or at least scummy.
I do need to reread Swowl though. Have not given them the attention they deserve.
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Current reads:
Scum tier
Dylan, mail-mi
Scummy(ish)
Calamitas
Merits a reread, I don't remember much about them
yuma, WCD, Swowl
Townie(ish)
Space, LaLight
Town
ADK, e
Btw, this table is not distinguishing between Dylan and mail-mi. A bit weird given that you think that the difference is so monumental to merit my being scummyish despite decidedly towny actions for my non-confident choice between the two *shrug
Let me change my categories, see if it clarifies.
Want to lynch: Dylan, mail-mi
Would participate in a lynch: calamitas, Yuma, WCD, Swowl
Don't want to Lynch: space, LaLight
Would not Lynch: ADK, e
I feel like Swowl has the greatest potential to move up to the want to lynch category, especially after calamitas' last posts
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Let me change my categories, see if it clarifies.
Want to lynch: Dylan, mail-mi
Would participate in a lynch: calamitas, Yuma, WCD, Swowl
Don't want to Lynch: space, LaLight
Would not Lynch: ADK, e
I feel like Swowl has the greatest potential to move up to the want to lynch category, especially after calamitas' last posts
Okay, so we actually don't disagree on much. My categories are
Want to lynch today: Mail-mi, Dylan
Might be next-in-line: Yuma, Swowl, e
Null: WCD, LaLight
Town: Space
IC: ADK
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
I think you're reading too much into this specific post.
I am still curious, what were your thoughts in the moment you were writing this?
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
Here's the final vote count from yesterday, color-coded for people we know are town/scum. This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
We're looking at 2 more scum. I think it's unlikely that both of them are on scola, but I think one of them is. So I think there's definitely scum in [mail-mi, Swowl, Dylan32]. From my perspective, there's scum in [Swowl, Dylan32]. Honorable mention goes to Space.
There's a lot of players on Joseph (6, actually). ADK is obv!town, if he's scum, gg. I think LaLight was on Joseph the whole day, which is a ballsy scum move if they're scum, so I think I'm handing them townpoints for it. WCD got some heat yesterday and I think her reaction to it was townie. I found Calamitas scummy yesterday, and this isn't a bad bussing spot to be in, so minor scum points.
I think the 2 scummiest on the wagon are yuma and e, but I don't think it can be both of them.
Scum!yuma scenario: I can see scum!yuma coming in, voting Joseph to L-1, and hoping for a classic F.DS end-of-d1 scramble to lynch someone else, then town!e hammers and crushes all of scum!yuma's dreams.
Scum!e scenario: Exactly what e himself described: going for the hammer on his buddy for a last-ditch attempt at towncred after being absent for most of D1.
Hm, now that I'm thinking about this, I think I'm starting to agree with Dylan on e. I need to do a reread, but let's not forget that e came in in the middle of the day (when the competing wagons were still scola and Joseph) and tried to start a whole new thing on WCD, which Joseph latched onto (as well as Swowl). I would not be surprised at and am currently calling a Swowl/e/Joseph scumteam.
vote: e
I am not convinced at all by this analysis. This is just some talk about wagons instead of doing a real analysis on the scummy people. He says Dylan or Swowl is scum but neither analyses them nor votes for either.
I stand by my vote for now.
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Swowl, you made a long post last night (overnight my time) looking at Joseph's L-1ing of Scola. Five posts before that, I'd looked at exactly the same wagon, made other suggestions and come to different conclusions. You didn't mention my post in yours... do you agree with any of it at all?
In particular:
1) I believe that the reason he tried to set this up was to get town to make a mistake with a quick hammer. The day was dragging on, moving slowly, and just kind of the only situation in which town may actually consider doing it. Not the best theory, but IDK how many other reasons there could be.
The reasoning I based my thoughts around was exactly that I think he was expecting an off-wagon scumbuddy to come in and hammer, especially because he hinted at having been looking at who was watching the thread. Isn't that something that might be really quite plausible? I think Joseph is aware that scum likes coordinated quickhammers (albeit ignoring the fact that that's mostly at mylo etc!) and was trying to set something up so that one of his buddies could swoop in and hammer before any townies got cold feet. Yes, it's definitely sub-optimal play, as others have already pointed out, but it feels very much like the sort of scheme Joseph woudl try.
The difference our two sets of assumptions makes to the rest of the reasoning isn't huge, in that both scenarios allow for one-off, one-on as far as scum and the scola wagon goes. However, it feels quite weird that you posted your whole analysis without commenting that it was the opposite assumption to the one I'd just posted.
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Let me change my categories, see if it clarifies.
Want to lynch: Dylan, mail-mi
Would participate in a lynch: calamitas, Yuma, WCD, Swowl
Don't want to Lynch: space, LaLight
Would not Lynch: ADK, e
I feel like Swowl has the greatest potential to move up to the want to lynch category, especially after calamitas' last posts
Okay, so we actually don't disagree on much. My categories are
Want to lynch today: Mail-mi, Dylan
Might be next-in-line: Yuma, Swowl, e
Null: WCD, LaLight
Town: Space
IC: ADK
I'm happy to see that you two are getting along :-)
I feel like Yuma is high on both lists, and yet he isn't someone we've seen a lot of cases or discussion on, compared to Mail-mi, Dylan, Swowl or e. I know I said that his Joseph-wagon pattern looked a bit iffy, but has anyone else posted a case? If not, how is he so high on both your lists?
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vote: joseph just so we actually get a lynch.
I am confused by this. I just re-read yuma, they (he?she?)
1) pointed out Joseph was scummy
2) forgot to vote for him
3) then said it should gain traction
4) moved (though not just out of not-traction if I see it correctly)
5)Voted Joseph "so we actually get a lynch"
Yuma scumread Joseph hard most of the day, this statement sounds too weak for me
@Space
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I have to get to work in a few minutes, but I wanted to collect my thoughts first.
I appreciate that e is participating more. It either means he is super-awesome-town e or holy-cow-Joseph-got-lynhced- we-better fing-go-scum. I lean toward the former, but you never know.
Mail-mi and Dylan look the worst after yesterday. I was especially perplexed by yams voting for me...it was a weird group of people to follow. But Dylan seems overall more shady. I think I will vote for one of them today.
I was also perplexed when yuma did it since a few posts before he had me in a "what did my most town read friends think" post. So, he's more suspicious than null. Swowl is my last big question mark.... I have become accustomed to us standing close together because we were partners in a long game, and he knows me pretty well. But I am also aware that it would take very little effort on his part to buddy me up, and have it be totally successful.
I see space, calam, and LL as more towny, but that could also just be because the attention has been elsewhere.
Okay, more later
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Vote Count 1.7
Joseph2302 (4): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~7 hours.
This is probably my last vote count for this in-game day and I have no idea where faust is, so here's my fair warning.
We regret to inform you that mail-mi will not be awake for deadline, but he will leave with a vote: WCD as a better alternative than Joseph.
This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
WCD is town. vote: scola
This little exchange is interesting. Mail-mi jumping on and off WCD at a critical juncture. I am starting to get much more suspicious of mail-mi than I was.
I was voting for WCD to see what she would do about a bigger wagon on her. I was still scumreading scola more, but I saw it as an opportunity to get some reactions. I felt her reaction was townie, so I switched back. I was not, as you say in a later post, "flip flopping to anyone but Joseph" at deadline, I was consistent on scola and went to WCD to get a reaction.
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That was a knee jerk reaction. Just so there isn't any dumb confusion, I'm the UB
Interesting. Theres no point in claiming this if ADK is scum, so they're definitely town. And it seems I was wrong about Joseph.
I think you're reading too much into this specific post.
I am still curious, what were your thoughts in the moment you were writing this?
I'm not sure which post this question is referring to, so I'll answer it for both posts.
The post from D1: I was thinking that ADK was obvtown and I was wrong on Joseph.
The post from D2: I think you were reading too much into the specific wording of the post. And that I think much more about the exact words I post as scum, whereas when I'm town I just type what I'm thinking. So a strangely worded post should give you more of a townread on me, not scumread.
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I am not convinced at all by this analysis. This is just some talk about wagons instead of doing a real analysis on the scummy people. He says Dylan or Swowl is scum but neither analyses them nor votes for either.
I stand by my vote for now.
Perhaps you didn't read my caveat at the beginning of the analysis? Here, let me quote it for you:
This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
And as you can see in the post, I analyzed both the people on wagon and off wagon. I thought that e ended up being the scummiest, followed by swowl and dylan. I found myself agreeing with dylan's points on e, and so I decided to vote there. I mean, what more do you want?
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I found myself agreeing with dylan's points on e, and so I decided to vote there.
What do you think of my case on Dylan?
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Just a few of Dylan's posts:
Call me the shepherd, cuz I've apparently got a lot of sheep haha.
I voted scola for seeming to use a joke RVS vote to create an actual wagon on Joseph as the 3rd vote on the wagon. It was a real vote since my LL vote was clearly RVS and that was the first scummy thing I'd noticed, but I did not expect that to kick off a wagon with that little substance. I still stand by it being a slightly scummy post, so I'm leaving my vote for now, that was just unexpected to come back and see the wagon that blew up. I agree with Didds there was probably scum somewhere behind me on the wagon.
post noted by Calamitis as scummy
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I agree, I don't really think what Joseph did was scummy. I know I'm not the first to say this, but I'm more inclined to look at the people that are most focused on him instead.
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Defending Joseph. In fact, is very consistent in his defense of Joseph and never really even entertains the thought that Joseph is scum
So earlier I thought scum likely helped build momentum for the scola wagon, and I think scum would be likely to be pushing for Joseph to some extent. The pool of people who were in both those sets are ADK and LL. I would vote for either equally, but for now since I don't think I've ever played with ADK, Vote: LL.
saying scum are people who voted for BOTH scola and Joseph. One we know is town, one we know is scum. Looking at this intersection and using it to vote for someone I think is interesting, and potentially scummy
ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Based on last game, that means that's the scum team right? haha jk. I think right now I'm still leaning scola for today. LL and ADK are options based on the wagon argument I had earlier. Agree town on the bird at least.
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Joking about who the scum team is
I was about to post explaining a few more scum points I've given scola and vote there, but I after soloing WCD due to e's posts, I buy it enough to vote: WCD instead for now.
For the record, the short version is that scola's last 3 posts have basically been identical, and they've been such that one of them wouldn't really be scummy, but not contributing other content in between posts like them definitely is.
Jumping on a new alternative wagon to Joseph
This case? Let me respond to each individual point.
1. I agree that post is scummy, especially the "I don't like the wagon but I'm leaving my vote there anyway."
2. I mean, that's slightly scummy, but just as easy for town to do that as scum (See: me).
3. I agree with your statement there.
4. Not necessarily very scummy.
5. That's also not looking good.
So I think the case is pretty ok, and I would definitely switch there if necessary. Now let me go look more in depth at his case on you.
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
Here's dylan's case, and I think it's stronger than people are making it out to be. I can also see e coming out of a taxing scum game (Falling Skies) and rolling scum again and not being super excited about it, which explains some of his lack of substance day 1.
Also, I think you were "lucky enough" to be online to take the hammer and get the towncred, as you say. You could have been lucky enough to be offline, but then someone else would almost definitely hammer, considering how close we were to deadline.
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No, this case:
Let's compare the cases:
scum!e.case) e is basically absent D1 (4 posts prior to the day end burst of activity), has an RVS vote on mail-mi. When e does show up he doesn't like a Joseph lynch and creates an alternative wagon on WCD because he doesn't like the Joseph lynch. non-committal hammer on Joseph feels like a town-cred grab rather than actual townie vote.
scum!Dylan.case) Dylan is relatively active (25 posts on D1), and is consistently anti-Joseph lynch. RVS vote on LL (seems pretty townie) (and all votes do count, say what you want about RVS), creates a wagon on pasta (town), eventually unvotes and doesn't vote again until he jumps on the first pseudo-viable wagon (WCD)
Regarding the WCD wagon. Scum does not typically create a random wagon at the end of the day on someone they know will likely not get lynched (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840248#msg840248). Rather, scum jumps on an alternative wagon that they think could be potentially viable when they get the chance. Dylan had already unvoted pasta earlier in the day and may have felt that re-voting there would be too much of a flip-flop, so when WCD appeared as an option he jumped at the opportunity. Of course, Dylan does end up going back to scolapasta (because of this? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840253#msg840253)). And I end up hammering scum.
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
Here's dylan's case, and I think it's stronger than people are making it out to be. I can also see e coming out of a taxing scum game (Falling Skies) and rolling scum again and not being super excited about it, which explains some of his lack of substance day 1.
Also, I think you were "lucky enough" to be online to take the hammer and get the towncred, as you say. You could have been lucky enough to be offline, but then someone else would almost definitely hammer, considering how close we were to deadline.
I agree it's decent, that's why e is on my "might be next in line" list. I don't give them significant towncredit for hammering and I agree that the way he started the day is indicative of him not having a town mindset.
Your case and the one on Dylan are better though imo.
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Sorry, busy day today. Not sure if I'll have much time to be on until tomorrow (IRL tomorrow, not game day).
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Swowl, you made a long post last night (overnight my time) looking at Joseph's L-1ing of Scola. Five posts before that, I'd looked at exactly the same wagon, made other suggestions and come to different conclusions. You didn't mention my post in yours... do you agree with any of it at all?
In particular:
1) I believe that the reason he tried to set this up was to get town to make a mistake with a quick hammer. The day was dragging on, moving slowly, and just kind of the only situation in which town may actually consider doing it. Not the best theory, but IDK how many other reasons there could be.
The reasoning I based my thoughts around was exactly that I think he was expecting an off-wagon scumbuddy to come in and hammer, especially because he hinted at having been looking at who was watching the thread. Isn't that something that might be really quite plausible? I think Joseph is aware that scum likes coordinated quickhammers (albeit ignoring the fact that that's mostly at mylo etc!) and was trying to set something up so that one of his buddies could swoop in and hammer before any townies got cold feet. Yes, it's definitely sub-optimal play, as others have already pointed out, but it feels very much like the sort of scheme Joseph woudl try.
The difference our two sets of assumptions makes to the rest of the reasoning isn't huge, in that both scenarios allow for one-off, one-on as far as scum and the scola wagon goes. However, it feels quite weird that you posted your whole analysis without commenting that it was the opposite assumption to the one I'd just posted.
Heyo - Yeah I saw it. It was actually the reason that I started the VCA where I did. I had a bit at the top typed out regarding "it is not important whether or not Joseph was lying about someone being online, nor does it matter who it was... but what does matter is why Joseph chose to take that route".... however the whole post ended up being so long I snipped out the quote reply and the opening.
Short answer - yeah I saw your post. And I am in agreement with your stance that we came to different conclusions and that isn't that big of a deal... but it is also why I typed it up. I read you logic (and you had the good catch, so that intrigued me) - but in the end my brain said "well I think it is the other way around".
I guess since we took all the time to do the thing twice lol I should clarify - From your pov do you think it is more likely that all skum was on wagon as opposed to 2 skum off wagon?
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No, this case:
Let's compare the cases:
scum!e.case) e is basically absent D1 (4 posts prior to the day end burst of activity), has an RVS vote on mail-mi. When e does show up he doesn't like a Joseph lynch and creates an alternative wagon on WCD because he doesn't like the Joseph lynch. non-committal hammer on Joseph feels like a town-cred grab rather than actual townie vote.
scum!Dylan.case) Dylan is relatively active (25 posts on D1), and is consistently anti-Joseph lynch. RVS vote on LL (seems pretty townie) (and all votes do count, say what you want about RVS), creates a wagon on pasta (town), eventually unvotes and doesn't vote again until he jumps on the first pseudo-viable wagon (WCD)
Regarding the WCD wagon. Scum does not typically create a random wagon at the end of the day on someone they know will likely not get lynched (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840248#msg840248). Rather, scum jumps on an alternative wagon that they think could be potentially viable when they get the chance. Dylan had already unvoted pasta earlier in the day and may have felt that re-voting there would be too much of a flip-flop, so when WCD appeared as an option he jumped at the opportunity. Of course, Dylan does end up going back to scolapasta (because of this? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840253#msg840253)). And I end up hammering scum.
E! ate their Wheaties this morning - don't think I have seen this many posts prior to late game from you like... ever.
Also, the third paragraph here is an interesting concept.
However, what I do not understand - is for this to make any sense, you have to like HARD town read didds right? Otherwise it is just kind of guess-spew.
But you just posted this list, in which WCD falls in the middle.
Current reads:
Scum tier
Dylan, mail-mi
Scummy(ish)
Calamitas
Merits a reread, I don't remember much about them
yuma, WCD, Swowl
Townie(ish)
Space, LaLight
Town
ADK, e
Separate concepts? Am I missing something here?
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*Becomes an IC, immediately stops following the game*
I promise I will do a big reread/catch-up post soon. It seems like there a few voices that are dominating the discussion today, and I want to take a closer look at what that might mean
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Swowl, you made a long post last night (overnight my time) looking at Joseph's L-1ing of Scola. Five posts before that, I'd looked at exactly the same wagon, made other suggestions and come to different conclusions. You didn't mention my post in yours... do you agree with any of it at all?
In particular:
The day was dragging on, moving slowly, and just kind of the only situation in which town may actually consider doing it. Not the best theory, but IDK how many other reasons there could be.
Heyo - Yeah I saw it. It was actually the reason that I started the VCA where I did.
The "IDK how many other reasons there could be" part just seems weird if you'd literally already read my idea about Joseph waiting for a scumbuddy to come along and hammer, which should absolutely count as an "other reason". I feel like you're trying to steer the thinking away from there being off-wagon scums a little more than I like.
I guess since we took all the time to do the thing twice lol I should clarify - From your pov do you think it is more likely that all skum was on wagon as opposed to 2 skum off wagon?
I think one on and one off is the most likely overall. Having to pick between two on-wagon or two off-wagon would be tough. I like my theory that Joseph was trying to set up some kind of misguided scum quickhammer, but it's also true that there are five unknowns on-wagon for me (and for you) and only four unknowns off-wagon, so the numbers game suggests that two on should be more likely than two off. And the more I think about it, the more I convince myself that treating anything Joseph did as useful evidence is probably foolish.
Anyway, if I wanted to get serious about wanting to fall down the rabbit hole of answering your question, there aren't too many people in either group to do an exhausting search by literally consiedring every possible pair as a scumpair and then giving them some kind of a score for how partnery they are and how they interacted with Joseph. I just don't feel like that's the best use of my time yet :-P Though that pretty much just involes re-reading everyone while keeping an open mind for possible pairings and interactions, which is more like what I feel like I should be doing anyway.
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Swowl, you made a long post last night (overnight my time) looking at Joseph's L-1ing of Scola. Five posts before that, I'd looked at exactly the same wagon, made other suggestions and come to different conclusions. You didn't mention my post in yours... do you agree with any of it at all?
In particular:
The day was dragging on, moving slowly, and just kind of the only situation in which town may actually consider doing it. Not the best theory, but IDK how many other reasons there could be.
Heyo - Yeah I saw it. It was actually the reason that I started the VCA where I did.
The "IDK how many other reasons there could be" part just seems weird if you'd literally already read my idea about Joseph waiting for a scumbuddy to come along and hammer, which should absolutely count as an "other reason". I feel like you're trying to steer the thinking away from there being off-wagon scums a little more than I like.
Sorry - that does read poorly. Like I said, in my head while I typed it out I was responding to the post of yours you are referencing here. "Idk how many other reasons" was supposed to come off as "between your reason and my reason, I don't think there are any others".
Now that being said - I do believe my reason is more likely (as you believe your reason is more likely), but yeah - I certainly was not ignoring your thought process.
Whole thing just ended up being a damn mess lol should of left it long so that it was more clear.
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Also in regards to rabbit hole - like you said, spending too much time analyzing why Joseph did anything would be... probably not the best use of time.
That being said one last thing - What do you make of the fact that they never like... did anything? This is to say they went out of their way to try to assumedly set someone up (for being online or whatever), but then never used that set up. Not even as a last ditch effort.
I think that is probably getting too far into tbh... but since you seem to of looked at it to the extent I have looked at it - does that ping you as like just crazy weird?
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100% on the rabbit hole of the set up he never paid off....
But I wonder if he just got to feeling defeated that he couldn’t shake being the majority wagon all day. Even when I got run up to 3 or 4, it didn’t seem as likely as lynch. I know that just feel hella frustrating.
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That being said one last thing - What do you make of the fact that they never like... did anything? This is to say they went out of their way to try to assumedly set someone up (for being online or whatever), but then never used that set up. Not even as a last ditch effort.
I think that is probably getting too far into tbh... but since you seem to of looked at it to the extent I have looked at it - does that ping you as like just crazy weird?
I don't understand what you mean by that
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because we were partners in a long game
If would appreciate you summarizing his playing style as scum (vs. town if possible) :)
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I am not convinced at all by this analysis. This is just some talk about wagons instead of doing a real analysis on the scummy people. He says Dylan or Swowl is scum but neither analyses them nor votes for either.
I stand by my vote for now.
Perhaps you didn't read my caveat at the beginning of the analysis? Here, let me quote it for you:
This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
And as you can see in the post, I analyzed both the people on wagon and off wagon. I thought that e ended up being the scummiest, followed by swowl and dylan. I found myself agreeing with dylan's points on e, and so I decided to vote there. I mean, what more do you want?
Didn't see the caveat, sorry
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The reasoning I based my thoughts around was exactly that I think he was expecting an off-wagon scumbuddy to come in and hammer, especially because he hinted at having been looking at who was watching the thread. Isn't that something that might be really quite plausible? I think Joseph is aware that scum likes coordinated quickhammers (albeit ignoring the fact that that's mostly at mylo etc!) and was trying to set something up so that one of his buddies could swoop in and hammer before any townies got cold feet. Yes, it's definitely sub-optimal play, as others have already pointed out, but it feels very much like the sort of scheme Joseph woudl try.
I mean, the theory sounds good but I am not sure you aren't overly cynical here. I mean, it would not be suboptimal but downright lunatic to pull something like that off with no need on D1.
But I mean, he refused to say who was online which has a pretty good reason in that theory...(in hindsight, we should have pressed him hard then and there)
@LaLight: Do you remember any game where Joseph did something on this order of craziness
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because we were partners in a long game
If would appreciate you summarizing his playing style as scum (vs. town if possible) :)
Hmmmm..... I am not sure I have the insight to do that. Swan has rolled not-town a lot lately, but it’s mostly been third party. And as third-party, he generally has a town preference so he mostly just seems like town. If he has a partner, he is mindful of it. He doesn’t bus them or engage them much, but also doesn’t immediately follow them.
When he’s town, he will (once he has the time) do the work to figure ish out, but when he explains it, only some people will be able to follow it (I am one of them) because he will write it up quickly. (Reading out loud helps if it doesn’t make sense....I think he writes like he talks, although I’ve never actually talked to him. That’s just my teacher-experience about writing). He is at the end of the game in lots of games. He doesn’t get lynched because he’s not scummy. He tends not to get Nked because he’s not super towny, either. I don’t think I’ve been in a game where we lynched him.
Unless Galz is in the game, and then everything changes because they have a hard time fooling each other.
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I am back!
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I am back!
Whoop!
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I am back!
Cool
You should vote for Dylan
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No, this case:
Let's compare the cases:
scum!e.case) e is basically absent D1 (4 posts prior to the day end burst of activity), has an RVS vote on mail-mi. When e does show up he doesn't like a Joseph lynch and creates an alternative wagon on WCD because he doesn't like the Joseph lynch. non-committal hammer on Joseph feels like a town-cred grab rather than actual townie vote.
scum!Dylan.case) Dylan is relatively active (25 posts on D1), and is consistently anti-Joseph lynch. RVS vote on LL (seems pretty townie) (and all votes do count, say what you want about RVS), creates a wagon on pasta (town), eventually unvotes and doesn't vote again until he jumps on the first pseudo-viable wagon (WCD)
Regarding the WCD wagon. Scum does not typically create a random wagon at the end of the day on someone they know will likely not get lynched (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840248#msg840248). Rather, scum jumps on an alternative wagon that they think could be potentially viable when they get the chance. Dylan had already unvoted pasta earlier in the day and may have felt that re-voting there would be too much of a flip-flop, so when WCD appeared as an option he jumped at the opportunity. Of course, Dylan does end up going back to scolapasta (because of this? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840253#msg840253)). And I end up hammering scum.
E! ate their Wheaties this morning - don't think I have seen this many posts prior to late game from you like... ever.
Also, the third paragraph here is an interesting concept.
However, what I do not understand - is for this to make any sense, you have to like HARD town read didds right? Otherwise it is just kind of guess-spew.
But you just posted this list, in which WCD falls in the middle.
Current reads:
Scum tier
Dylan, mail-mi
Scummy(ish)
Calamitas
Merits a reread, I don't remember much about them
yuma, WCD, Swowl
Townie(ish)
Space, LaLight
Town
ADK, e
Separate concepts? Am I missing something here?
I don't understand why that would necessitate a WCD town read. It's more of a "if Dylan is scum, WCD is town" read.
And I would much prefer investigating the Dylan is scum part of the read first
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Ok. Now I am back
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well, what do you think??
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Those were some interesting end of day 1 things going on. Quick thoughts knowing the end result:
mail-mi is scummy all around...
space's frustration to the hammer before around seems equal parts scummy and authentic
I don't really see e doing what they did as scum, at least it isn't what I would do.
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also, apparently e and I are the same person
These are all me:
Also, fantastic Lynch everyone. I take zero credit for the actual Lynch, but will gladly assume my position as pseudo-IC with the hammer
So yeah, ADK is totally IC here.
Interesting why scum didn't kill them, I guess just WIFOM
if anyone's getting to be a pseudo-IC, it should be ADK with the uncontested claimed UB status. Though I need to go back and check to what extent the scumteam could know if we're in a game situation where there isn't a UB at all
All games include a Universal Back-Up.
From the setup
Yes, but also from the setup, games with a single V roll, or a single W roll that converst to a V, turn our guaranteed UB into a restless spirit. Except if we have a single V and also a single W roll that converts to a V, in which case we get both a UB and a RS. It makes me happy that faust's setup text covers that odd little corner case.
Anyway, the actual chance of not having a UB in the game is higher than you might think.
Maybe I should actually read the setup.
At least until the Dylan stuff...
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vote: joseph just so we actually get a lynch.
I am confused by this. I just re-read yuma, they (he?she?)
1) pointed out Joseph was scummy
2) forgot to vote for him
3) then said it should gain traction
4) moved (though not just out of not-traction if I see it correctly)
5)Voted Joseph "so we actually get a lynch"
Yuma scumread Joseph hard most of the day, this statement sounds too weak for me
I mean, I'll take credit for scumreading him hard, but I think you are overstating my read on him. Toward the end there I wasn't really reading him as scummy anymore, but was worth making sure we had a lynch. I thought he would probably flip town though.
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ADK, Didds, Yuma and LL were the main people voting Joseph in the first half of D1, along with scola.
Calamitas L-2'd him at #304. Yuma moved off to Didds (e's brand new wagon) at #316, taking the wagon down to L-3, but came back to make it L-1 after Scola had re-joined.
If anyone looks scummy purely based on wagon motion in all that, it's Yuma.
rats
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ADK, what are you thinking about Dylan and mail-mi?
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The reasoning I based my thoughts around was exactly that I think he was expecting an off-wagon scumbuddy to come in and hammer, especially because he hinted at having been looking at who was watching the thread. Isn't that something that might be really quite plausible? I think Joseph is aware that scum likes coordinated quickhammers (albeit ignoring the fact that that's mostly at mylo etc!) and was trying to set something up so that one of his buddies could swoop in and hammer before any townies got cold feet. Yes, it's definitely sub-optimal play, as others have already pointed out, but it feels very much like the sort of scheme Joseph woudl try.
I mean, the theory sounds good but I am not sure you aren't overly cynical here. I mean, it would not be suboptimal but downright lunatic to pull something like that off with no need on D1.
But I mean, he refused to say who was online which has a pretty good reason in that theory...(in hindsight, we should have pressed him hard then and there)
@LaLight: Do you remember any game where Joseph did something on this order of craziness
not really
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because we were partners in a long game
If would appreciate you summarizing his playing style as scum (vs. town if possible) :)
Hmmmm..... I am not sure I have the insight to do that. Swan has rolled not-town a lot lately, but it’s mostly been third party. And as third-party, he generally has a town preference so he mostly just seems like town. If he has a partner, he is mindful of it. He doesn’t bus them or engage them much, but also doesn’t immediately follow them.
When he’s town, he will (once he has the time) do the work to figure ish out, but when he explains it, only some people will be able to follow it (I am one of them) because he will write it up quickly. (Reading out loud helps if it doesn’t make sense....I think he writes like he talks, although I’ve never actually talked to him. That’s just my teacher-experience about writing). He is at the end of the game in lots of games. He doesn’t get lynched because he’s not scummy. He tends not to get Nked because he’s not super towny, either. I don’t think I’ve been in a game where we lynched him.
Unless Galz is in the game, and then everything changes because they have a hard time fooling each other.
I love your walk through to comprehending my babbling haha
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That being said one last thing - What do you make of the fact that they never like... did anything? This is to say they went out of their way to try to assumedly set someone up (for being online or whatever), but then never used that set up. Not even as a last ditch effort.
I think that is probably getting too far into tbh... but since you seem to of looked at it to the extent I have looked at it - does that ping you as like just crazy weird?
I don't understand what you mean by that
Allow me to elaborate!
1. Skum!Jo (making it a thing like ScarJo, just go with it) jumps to a wagon putting it at L-1.
2. My opinion is they were looking for a mistake hammer from Town, Space thinks the other end, but ultimately it does not matter... because it didn't happen.
3. K. So then he jumps off the wagon and starts the whole nonsense ish of "player was online that did not hammer".
So 1-3 is the set up. It is a set up, almost unarguably now that we have both their flips, that SkumJo intended to try to paint someone red for not hammering (or possibly paint Scola red at least for not being hammered).
I am not saying that that concept should make a whole hell of a lot of sense...
What I AM saying is... that pretty much has to be the reason. It is such a fishy thing to cling to (person online vs not online) right after they did such a fish thing... the play was to use it... but he never actually accused anyone of it - he just said "someone was online that didn't hammer".
As mentioned - not a case for anything - just a rabbit hole. But it is interesting imo. Hope that helps.
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No, this case:
Let's compare the cases:
scum!e.case) e is basically absent D1 (4 posts prior to the day end burst of activity), has an RVS vote on mail-mi. When e does show up he doesn't like a Joseph lynch and creates an alternative wagon on WCD because he doesn't like the Joseph lynch. non-committal hammer on Joseph feels like a town-cred grab rather than actual townie vote.
scum!Dylan.case) Dylan is relatively active (25 posts on D1), and is consistently anti-Joseph lynch. RVS vote on LL (seems pretty townie) (and all votes do count, say what you want about RVS), creates a wagon on pasta (town), eventually unvotes and doesn't vote again until he jumps on the first pseudo-viable wagon (WCD)
Regarding the WCD wagon. Scum does not typically create a random wagon at the end of the day on someone they know will likely not get lynched (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840248#msg840248). Rather, scum jumps on an alternative wagon that they think could be potentially viable when they get the chance. Dylan had already unvoted pasta earlier in the day and may have felt that re-voting there would be too much of a flip-flop, so when WCD appeared as an option he jumped at the opportunity. Of course, Dylan does end up going back to scolapasta (because of this? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840253#msg840253)). And I end up hammering scum.
This Dylan case. RVS votes do matter, but eh not enough to sway one way or the other. I can also feel for Dylan because I too was townreading Joseph. So I think the case isn't bad, and he's probably my second or third preferred lynch, but also not the strongest case in the world.
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No, this case:
Let's compare the cases:
scum!e.case) e is basically absent D1 (4 posts prior to the day end burst of activity), has an RVS vote on mail-mi. When e does show up he doesn't like a Joseph lynch and creates an alternative wagon on WCD because he doesn't like the Joseph lynch. non-committal hammer on Joseph feels like a town-cred grab rather than actual townie vote.
scum!Dylan.case) Dylan is relatively active (25 posts on D1), and is consistently anti-Joseph lynch. RVS vote on LL (seems pretty townie) (and all votes do count, say what you want about RVS), creates a wagon on pasta (town), eventually unvotes and doesn't vote again until he jumps on the first pseudo-viable wagon (WCD)
Regarding the WCD wagon. Scum does not typically create a random wagon at the end of the day on someone they know will likely not get lynched (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840248#msg840248). Rather, scum jumps on an alternative wagon that they think could be potentially viable when they get the chance. Dylan had already unvoted pasta earlier in the day and may have felt that re-voting there would be too much of a flip-flop, so when WCD appeared as an option he jumped at the opportunity. Of course, Dylan does end up going back to scolapasta (because of this? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840253#msg840253)). And I end up hammering scum.
E! ate their Wheaties this morning - don't think I have seen this many posts prior to late game from you like... ever.
Which is also part of the reason that makes me think he's scum, because his team is now in a losing position and so he has to work harder. (Not the strongest point against him because he could also be encouraged town at seeing a scum lynch, but still a point to make).
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Regarding Joseph's L-1 shenanigans, I don't think there's much we can get out of it. Both Joseph and scola have flipped, Joseph never told us who was online, and it was just Joseph shenanigans (fun word to say and type).
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I am not convinced at all by this analysis. This is just some talk about wagons instead of doing a real analysis on the scummy people. He says Dylan or Swowl is scum but neither analyses them nor votes for either.
I stand by my vote for now.
Perhaps you didn't read my caveat at the beginning of the analysis? Here, let me quote it for you:
This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
And as you can see in the post, I analyzed both the people on wagon and off wagon. I thought that e ended up being the scummiest, followed by swowl and dylan. I found myself agreeing with dylan's points on e, and so I decided to vote there. I mean, what more do you want?
Didn't see the caveat, sorry
'Sall good, I intend to do a reread of e, yuma, Dylan, and Swowl for more in-depth stuff someday, but today is not that day (RL day). I've got work and a date tonight to keep me busy.
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also, apparently e and I are the same person
you're both scum?
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ADK, Didds, Yuma and LL were the main people voting Joseph in the first half of D1, along with scola.
Calamitas L-2'd him at #304. Yuma moved off to Didds (e's brand new wagon) at #316, taking the wagon down to L-3, but came back to make it L-1 after Scola had re-joined.
If anyone looks scummy purely based on wagon motion in all that, it's Yuma.
rats
Got any other comments than that?
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ADK, what are you thinking about Dylan and mail-mi?
Add e to that list please, and if you have time, yuma and swowl too.
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Vote Count 2.2
mail-mi (3): A Drowned Kernel, Calamitas, Swowl
Dylan32 (2): 2.71828....., LaLight
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, yuma
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends June 02, 2020, 05:30:00 am.
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Vote: Dylan
I’ve been meaning to vote but wanted to see the vote count. I feel pretty sure scum is on that short list.
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Vote: Dylan
I’ve been meaning to vote but wanted to see the vote count. I feel pretty sure scum is on that short list.
It very well might be, but it ain't me.
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Sorry guys, I have an overnight work related trip this weekend and have been busy and will be VLA this weekend. I'll try to keep up but no promises. Seems like not that much has happened since my last post anyways.
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What do you all think about making Dylan and/or mail-mi claim?
@Space,ADK,LaLight in particular
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What do you all think about making Dylan and/or mail-mi claim?
@Space,ADK,LaLight in particular
I like both! But the best way to do this is getting either to L-1, so what are we waiting for
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also a bit of foreshadowing: Dylan will claim VT.
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What do you all think about making Dylan and/or mail-mi claim?
@Space,ADK,LaLight in particular
I'm torn on it personally. I like having more info in the game, but I'm not sure D2 is the right time. Having a scum flip is good for us, because it puts a constraint on the set of roles we expect to see out there. However, at this stage in the game, scum probably still has a slight informational advantage, so giving them more might not be ideal until our town PRs have amassed other info from their own night actions (investigative ones obviously, but aslo blocking/jailkeeping etc).
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also a bit of foreshadowing: Dylan will claim VT.
Wouldn't anyone sensible claim VT unless they're a town PR with useful information they need to report?
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What do you all think about making Dylan and/or mail-mi claim?
@Space,ADK,LaLight in particular
I'm more interested in getting people lynched than making them claim
I did a reread, finally. I'm ready to call yuma town based solely on the whole voting-for-mix thing that happened at the very start of D1. In hindsight it pretty much looks like joseph was aware what was happening and was trying to piggyback on someone else's townslip
I'm not lynching LL, didds or space today
That leaves a pool of: Calamitas, Dylan, e, Swowl, and mail-mi
I waver back and forth on Dylan because I find the tone of his posts is very towny but his positioning is scummy. In particular, his arguments in this post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840012#msg840012) and the following, where he makes an argument about looking for people who are not on the joseph wagon while being careful to state that it doesn't make joseph scum
Calamitas's vote could easily be a bus, especially since they said in the post before they voted that they still preferred scola. They're not necessarily high on my preference though
e is coming in strong today with the appeals to emotion, and Dylan's reference to what happened in M127 sums up why I don't think that the hammer lets him off the hook. e was also pushing didds at a point when that was the main alternative to joseph. e was on Joseph's list of lurkers to potentially lynch, though, so there's that
I can never read swowl. Honestly I wouldn't mind a lynch there, nothing from my reread jumps out as super towny
mail-mi I'm easing up on. There's especially been some good effort from him today
So I think where I'm at is
vote: swowl
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I'm not lynching LL, didds or space today
I woke up this morning having questions about this. Why am I (and others) townreading Space? They were off-wagon just like dylan, swowl, and me. I might be townreading them just cause they're Space. I'm adding them to my reread list.
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I'm not lynching LL, didds or space today
I woke up this morning having questions about this. Why am I (and others) townreading Space? They were off-wagon just like dylan, swowl, and me. I might be townreading them just cause they're Space. I'm adding them to my reread list.
I posted my reasons for townreading them somewhere
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I still prefer mail-mi over Dylan but would be more than willing to lynch either rather than anything else.
No one else willing to go for mail-mi?
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I still prefer mail-mi over Dylan but would be more than willing to lynch either rather than anything else.
No one else willing to go for mail-mi?
I could do mail-mi
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adk are you like set on me?
I cannot argue that I haven't done anything insanely towny, honestly I expected to have to be defending myself like crazy after Joseph actually flipped red, but your reasoning doesn't really give me a lot to "answer to the IC for" there.
I guess like - is there anything you want from me? From an attempted unbias pov, I really do not think I am on the list of best options for the day today.
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your level of activity is fine, don't let my vote discourage you!
so, I haven't slept for 1,5 days and maybe my logic is flawed, but 2.7 was REALLY deliberate in his last posts. Like, scum deliberate. I mean when I am town, I write blurbs of somewhat meaningful information, when I am scum, I am super confident and make underlined bolded lists. i actually just imagined you doing it and thought, oh, thia guy is scum.
first thing that i have read that really resonated...
but then lalight unvoted immediately after. But I want to vote: e
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I'm not lynching LL, didds or space today
I woke up this morning having questions about this. Why am I (and others) townreading Space? They were off-wagon just like dylan, swowl, and me. I might be townreading them just cause they're Space. I'm adding them to my reread list.
I posted my reasons for townreading them somewhere
Could you point me to them?
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Let me change my categories, see if it clarifies.
Want to lynch: Dylan, mail-mi
Would participate in a lynch: calamitas, Yuma, WCD, Swowl
Don't want to Lynch: space, LaLight
Would not Lynch: ADK, e
I feel like Swowl has the greatest potential to move up to the want to lynch category, especially after calamitas' last posts
Okay, so we actually don't disagree on much. My categories are
Want to lynch today: Mail-mi, Dylan
Might be next-in-line: Yuma, Swowl, e
Null: WCD, LaLight
Town: Space
IC: ADK
Can we stop doing these? They really only benefit mafia.
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also, who the hell is yams? Is that me?
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adk are you like set on me?
I cannot argue that I haven't done anything insanely towny, honestly I expected to have to be defending myself like crazy after Joseph actually flipped red, but your reasoning doesn't really give me a lot to "answer to the IC for" there.
I guess like - is there anything you want from me? From an attempted unbias pov, I really do not think I am on the list of best options for the day today.
I realize there isn't a lot do defend against there. Make a stellar, air-tight case on someone else, maybe?
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also, who the hell is yams? Is that me?
Sorry, it’s mail-mi
It was a typo that went bananas and now it’s yams. But awesome, right?
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I'm not lynching LL, didds or space today
I woke up this morning having questions about this. Why am I (and others) townreading Space? They were off-wagon just like dylan, swowl, and me. I might be townreading them just cause they're Space. I'm adding them to my reread list.
Yep, yep. They were not voting for Joseph for reasons that resonated, but also could be good cover.
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also a bit of foreshadowing: Dylan will claim VT.
As far as I can tell, this post means one of two things, and it's 50/50 either scummy or a possible mistake, particularly if you think I'm scum.
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adk are you like set on me?
I cannot argue that I haven't done anything insanely towny, honestly I expected to have to be defending myself like crazy after Joseph actually flipped red, but your reasoning doesn't really give me a lot to "answer to the IC for" there.
I guess like - is there anything you want from me? From an attempted unbias pov, I really do not think I am on the list of best options for the day today.
I realize there isn't a lot do defend against there. Make a stellar, air-tight case on someone else, maybe?
I mean I tried - but obviously air tight didn't happen and all I came up with was dylan vs yams. Dylan slightly lower on my list (for mentioned reasons) and also they got more hate out the gate... so I landed on MailMi.
However... I will give it another go through. uno momento.
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So this actually started as a case elaboration on MailMi... but due to a finding or two, turned into a case on Dylan.
Order of relevant actions:
Votes RVS for LL
#97 Dylan calls Scola skummy for voting Joseph for referring in 3rd person, votes for Scola
Dylan votes for Scola
#130 Dylan's shepherd post. Gives their reasons, states that because of how wagon ran up (and that they stand by their original voting reason) they were gonna leave vote on Scola for a bit. Also - agrees with WCD in that there likely could be skum that got on behind him.
---- So I am a little confused as to how everyone missed this so far. Dylan, in the same post, says they think Scola is skummy still, and that there was likely skum that got on the wagon behind him? I mean if that is town!Dylan then that is Town Dylan a)not going to Joseph and staying on Scola and b) saying they think that both Scola AND someone else behind them on wagon are skummy. That is a lot. I missed this too to be fair but this is weird af. ---
----- Also, for reference, this was the height of the Pasta wagon:
[Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas, Joseph] ADK is Town, and they certainly did NOT think Joseph was skum... So dylan is FOSing at LL, MM, Calam in that spot.
#212 - Dylan agrees with Swowl that Joseph didn't really do anything skummy and finds the people that are fixated on Joseph the more skummier of the lot.
#214 - Now 2 posts later, they say not only do they find people behind him on Pasta skummy, but also the people that are moving to Joseph. They also vote for LL after isoing the LCD players to either ADK or LL.
--- so here is the thing with all that.
first) people behind him on Pasta are skummy
second) people honing in on Joseph are skummy
third) goes for LL over ADK
So I am less interested in the concept of why they chose ADK over LL, as it means nothing without a flip. However, what is skummy, is just how this panned out.
1) Wagon runs up on Town!Scola
2) Wagon starts to shift to Joseph
3) Dylan finds people on Scola behind him skummy, while also finding people moving to Joseph skummy.
So then...
1) Why still on Scola?
2) Convenient timing.
So.. Joseph's thoughts...
a) People on Scola behind him are skummy but also Scola is skummy
b) People that piled off onto Joseph are skummy, but Joseph himself is not skummy enough vs Scola (even though point "a") to merit a Dylan vote for Joseph.
c) Then ends up putting it all together and voting for LL... which is fine. Except that it all hangs on the concept that he has to be hard Town Reading both Joseph and Scolapasta... except he liked his vote on Scolapasta.
#223 - post that is worth a lot of town points. States that skum may be likely to jump on the first building wagon (people on scola behind himself), but then if another town wagon (at this time thought of as Joseph) came up, they may not want to play hop scotch and jump around. This is a good point in a vortex. However, Joseph flipped red. So they have gone from People behind me on scola are skummy, to people that are focusing on Joseph that were also on scola behind me are skummy, to people behind me on scola are skummy and cross reference that with people that ignored the Joseph wagon - those are the skummy skums.
#226 - points out Space, Calam and E are the ones that ignorged the Joseph wagon. But they are all ok, probably just inactivity... scola is the skummy one because they are in-decisive.
whatever posts followed by...
#301 - where they move to WCD. They find Scola more skummy still - but WCD is where they choose. This is 12 hours out.
#307 - defends josephs weird play
#311 - defends Joseph again
#312 - Votes back to Scolapasta
#315 - If joseph flipped Green I would lynch dylan for this post. Says that scola is a better case, yet he sees why people are voting for them. However, Joseph flipped red, so it wasn't like they were leaving the window open to move.
He checks back in and says there is no reason that has been brought up that is merits enough credit to change their mind to Joseph over Scola. Then they check back in during twilight to comment on the UB claim shit.
TLDR; I obviously didn't want to lynch Joseph either, so I cannot hold that against Dylan. However, the multiple attempts to link suspicion to players he should not know the alignment of, combined with the multiple attempts to dismantle the Joseph wagon, combined with some of the other details there in between... this is where I am at:
Vote: Dylan
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^that is kinda what I did with Joseph/Raptor last game, but more on Day2. And I was town. Bad bad bad town.
But I am sure I am not anymore! So let's march confidently ahead even though I am quite behind and could really do a in depth reread (but honestly I don't think I will.... sorry if that makes it unfun for you guys to play). But from what I have read I am going to vote: mai-mi
I see his shenanigans (it is a fun word!) shenanigans, shenanigans, shenanigans, shenanigans... very fun... everyone should try it... were something to hide behind. I thought it Day 1 and I still think it especially as it clouded much of the interactions he had with Joseph... that might actually be something for someone (not me) to look at. Whether mail-mi interacted in this way with anyone else that could be their dual scummate. But maybe if this theory were true he wouldn't focus so much on both partners? I don't know. Plus the people that seem to know more are thinking similarly, so this is what I am doing.
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also hama
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oh. no one else is here...
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that is embarrassing
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also hama
You mean dama?
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It was pretty late Friday night for US people. I was eating breakfast then cleaning up the blueberry mess on the little guy. He is down for nap #1 now though
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Vote Count 2.e
mail-mi (2): Calamitas, yuma
Dylan32 (4): 2.71828....., LaLight, WCD, Swowl
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Swowl (1): ADK
Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone
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Swowl's last post where he started trying to build a case on mail-mi but landed on Dylan just reads super-duper town to me. Don't really want to lynch swowl today anymore.
Mail-mi or Dylan.
Ready to lynch either one.
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Vote Count 2.3
mail-mi (2): Calamitas, yuma
Dylan32 (4): 2.71828....., LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Swowl (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends June 02, 2020, 05:30:00 am.
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also hama
You mean dama?
Nah....he meant hama.
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I'm not lynching LL, didds or space today
I woke up this morning having questions about this. Why am I (and others) townreading Space? They were off-wagon just like dylan, swowl, and me. I might be townreading them just cause they're Space. I'm adding them to my reread list.
I posted my reasons for townreading them somewhere
Could you point me to them?
Was phone posting yesterday, here we go
Okay, finished re-reading. First round of thoughts on Space:
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Did some rereading of D2 in particular and I think that I'm ok with
vote: Dylan
This is L-1
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Just re-read Dylan and mail-mi and I am less confident about them than I used to be a few days ago even though not much has changed.
Still slight preference of mail-mi over Dylan, though gap to e has closed from reads alone. Not willing to go there as of now though as the people pushing for e are my biggest scumreads which is by no means a good sign.
Still unsure about Swowl and cannot reread right now.
PPE: 1
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I think Dylan should claim
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I'm not lynching LL, didds or space today
I woke up this morning having questions about this. Why am I (and others) townreading Space? They were off-wagon just like dylan, swowl, and me. I might be townreading them just cause they're Space. I'm adding them to my reread list.
I posted my reasons for townreading them somewhere
Could you point me to them?
Was phone posting yesterday, here we go
Okay, finished re-reading. First round of thoughts on Space:
Thank you, i have a little bit more reason to my space townread now.
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I don’t like about Dylan though that except from LaLight none of my townreads is on that wagon. No ADK, no Space, no me.
Also, note that no one except me pushed for mail-mi over Dylan really and this is something scum should definitely do if we have scum!Dylan and town!mail-mi. My analysis (or rather the fact that mail-mi’s case is sufficiently strong) should have been the perfect platform for pulling that off and no-one did that.
We really should go to mail-mi
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Did some rereading of D2 in particular and I think that I'm ok with
vote: Dylan
This is L-1
I'm good with a Dylan lynch. I mean, from my perspective it's either him or Swowl (or both) and as of now I don't have a preference on either one.
Consider this an Intent to hammer to encourage a claim.
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I don’t like about Dylan though that except from LaLight none of my townreads is on that wagon. No ADK, no Space, no me.
Also, note that no one except me pushed for mail-mi over Dylan really and this is something scum should definitely do if we have scum!Dylan and town!mail-mi. My analysis (or rather the fact that mail-mi’s case is sufficiently strong) should have been the perfect platform for pulling that off and no-one did that.
We really should go to mail-mi
No, we shouldn't. If you look at my D1 posts, I'm pretty sure I talked about Joseph more than any other player, and I was actively defending him. I don't do that as scum. Look at D1 of hunger games, where my top two scumreads were my two scum buddies.
Also, I would not be putting this much effort in as scum. Look at BM30, which was my third scum game in a row. I was pretty tired of being mafia, and my play was pretty lackluster. I was ecstatic when I got greentext in my pm for this game.
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Did some rereading of D2 in particular and I think that I'm ok with
vote: Dylan
This is L-1
I'm good with a Dylan lynch. I mean, from my perspective it's either him or Swowl (or both) and as of now I don't have a preference on either one.
Consider this an Intent to hammer to encourage a claim.
What about e?
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Did some rereading of D2 in particular and I think that I'm ok with
vote: Dylan
This is L-1
I'm good with a Dylan lynch. I mean, from my perspective it's either him or Swowl (or both) and as of now I don't have a preference on either one.
Consider this an Intent to hammer to encourage a claim.
What about e?
I still have a scumread on e but he has to have a partner somewhere, and I'm 100% sure that the remaining 2 scum were not both on-wagon.
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I’m filling up my car halfway through a many hour drive and have to work immediately on arrival, but assuming I’m the one at l1, I will claim and answer whatever arguments have been made in a while. Just wait a few hours for me to have the chance to. Like honestly I won’t even be mad if I’m hammered because my reads were so bad D1, but I just need time to read what has actually been said to answer it.
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I got a little behind, so I'll re-read a bunch of D2 stuff in more detail now.
I agree with Calamitas that if we have scum!Dylan and town!Mail-mi, then we should have expected more of a scum!Mail-mi case to have been made. Which ironically makes me worried about then coming along with a Mail-mi re-read in case I feel like he's scummier than Dylan :-P However, the optics are less important than trying to get a glorious town victory...
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There's a third option here, which is scum!Dylan and scum!mail-mi
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There's a third option here, which is scum!Dylan and scum!mail-mi
Yeah, but in that case mail-mi is just a good choice
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Or, I feel I should point out, scum!calamitas
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I got a little behind, so I'll re-read a bunch of D2 stuff in more detail now.
I agree with Calamitas that if we have scum!Dylan and town!Mail-mi, then we should have expected more of a scum!Mail-mi case to have been made. Which ironically makes me worried about then coming along with a Mail-mi re-read in case I feel like he's scummier than Dylan :-P However, the optics are less important than trying to get a glorious town victory...
One problem with that: I'm not scum. I think it's more likely that scum!Calamitas is trying to distract away from his partner Dylan (though I don't think that's the most likely pairing, speaking objectively).
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Alright, I’m settled down now after crazy running around day. I’m drinking wine now, so we’ll see how the evening goes... Kid has us watching The Flash. Anything could happen.
We’re waiting on Dylan to get to where to claim or not. Cool.
I don’t think I have anything new to add, although I am here for the scum!Calam look-see.
Yams, bummer about having been perma-scum. That’s rough.
Yuma, ADK, Space, Calamitis...someone come hammer the Stormlight game so we can GO!
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I got a little behind, so I'll re-read a bunch of D2 stuff in more detail now.
I agree with Calamitas that if we have scum!Dylan and town!Mail-mi, then we should have expected more of a scum!Mail-mi case to have been made. Which ironically makes me worried about then coming along with a Mail-mi re-read in case I feel like he's scummier than Dylan :-P However, the optics are less important than trying to get a glorious town victory...
One problem with that: I'm not scum. I think it's more likely that scum!Calamitas is trying to distract away from his partner Dylan (though I don't think that's the most likely pairing, speaking objectively).
You think it is more likely?
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I am barely keeping up with this game. Can't join another...
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How exactly did the conversation switch to Calamatis?
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First, I am VT. LL predicting that either means scum!LL trying to preempt me or something, or they saw me do nothing N1, in which case saying so was a mistake because IF I was scum, leaving the option for me to claim something else and possibly an action N1 would have let you catch me. As it is, I'm really just a VT, so it doesn't particularly matter other than not being a good play.
Now to answer what seems like the most comprehensive "case" against me. Answers inserted in bold.
So this actually started as a case elaboration on MailMi... but due to a finding or two, turned into a case on Dylan.
Order of relevant actions:
Votes RVS for LL
#97 Dylan calls Scola skummy for voting Joseph for referring in 3rd person, votes for Scola
Dylan votes for Scola
I still stand by that read given what we knew at the time, even though it was wrong. D1 is hard.
#130 Dylan's shepherd post. Gives their reasons, states that because of how wagon ran up (and that they stand by their original voting reason) they were gonna leave vote on Scola for a bit. Also - agrees with WCD in that there likely could be skum that got on behind him.
---- So I am a little confused as to how everyone missed this so far. Dylan, in the same post, says they think Scola is skummy still, and that there was likely skum that got on the wagon behind him? I mean if that is town!Dylan then that is Town Dylan a)not going to Joseph and staying on Scola and b) saying they think that both Scola AND someone else behind them on wagon are skummy. That is a lot. I missed this too to be fair but this is weird af. ---
It's not that weird when you consider it was D1 still. You can see two different people/groups as scummy while also knowing that the reads are mutually exclusive. I just didn't say it because I figured people understood that already. I thought scola's post was more likely to come from scum than town, but it was still possible that scola was town (from my perspective at the time), and so I agreed that it was very possible that scum helped run up that wagon that quickly. With hindsight, that's clearly true. However, I felt it was still possible and ultimately more likely that scola was scum.
----- Also, for reference, this was the height of the Pasta wagon:
[Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas, Joseph] ADK is Town, and they certainly did NOT think Joseph was skum... So dylan is FOSing at LL, MM, Calam in that spot.
See, there was at least 1 scum on, and I strongly suspect one of LL, mail-mi, and Calamitas is also scum.
#212 - Dylan agrees with Swowl that Joseph didn't really do anything skummy and finds the people that are fixated on Joseph the more skummier of the lot.
Bad read obviously. Not the first one of my career, won't be the last.
#214 - Now 2 posts later, they say not only do they find people behind him on Pasta skummy, but also the people that are moving to Joseph. They also vote for LL after isoing the LCD players to either ADK or LL.
That's what I do, I try to find narratives that explain people's behavior. See my case on Joseph D1 last game.
--- so here is the thing with all that.
first) people behind him on Pasta are skummy
second) people honing in on Joseph are skummy
third) goes for LL over ADK
Yeah, as more posts happen, I examine new evidence and see new possibilities. I'm only in trouble right now because the one option I didn't really think was likely (scum!Joseph) is the one that was true...
So I am less interested in the concept of why they chose ADK over LL, as it means nothing without a flip. However, what is skummy, is just how this panned out. You may be uninterested, but the reason is basically: I've played a lot with LL, never played a game with ADK so I was giving him a D1 pass.
1) Wagon runs up on Town!Scola
2) Wagon starts to shift to Joseph
3) Dylan finds people on Scola behind him skummy, while also finding people moving to Joseph skummy.
So then...
1) Why still on Scola? Because I saw two mutually exclusive possibilities and I thought scola's post was slightly scummier than the wagon movement.
2) Convenient timing.
So.. Joseph's thoughts...
a) People on Scola behind him are skummy but also Scola is skummy
b) People that piled off onto Joseph are skummy, but Joseph himself is not skummy enough vs Scola (even though point "a") to merit a Dylan vote for Joseph.
c) Then ends up putting it all together and voting for LL... which is fine. Except that it all hangs on the concept that he has to be hard Town Reading both Joseph and Scolapasta... except he liked his vote on Scolapasta.
#223 - post that is worth a lot of town points. States that skum may be likely to jump on the first building wagon (people on scola behind himself), but then if another town wagon (at this time thought of as Joseph) came up, they may not want to play hop scotch and jump around. This is a good point in a vortex. However, Joseph flipped red. So they have gone from People behind me on scola are skummy, to people that are focusing on Joseph that were also on scola behind me are skummy, to people behind me on scola are skummy and cross reference that with people that ignored the Joseph wagon - those are the skummy skums. Again, you expect to see town change their mind as evidence and ideas shift. Scum knows all alignments, so they have less reason to change their reads on the fly.
#226 - points out Space, Calam and E are the ones that ignorged the Joseph wagon. But they are all ok, probably just inactivity... scola is the skummy one because they are in-decisive. Someone else brought up the idea of engaging with or ignoring the evidence. I looked for who hadn't taken a stand, saw those three, but I soloed each of them and saw they hadn't really posted since the wagon ramped up, so the "probably just inactivity" was based on observed evidence, not hedging.
whatever posts followed by...
#301 - where they move to WCD. They find Scola more skummy still - but WCD is where they choose. This is 12 hours out.
Scola stalled and had no momentum, so I was looking for good alternatives that at the time I thought was better than Joseph. I reread M126 and realized my reasons for scum reading WCD during my iso was way off, so my read flipped pretty quickly there.
#307 - defends josephs weird play
#311 - defends Joseph again
I'm totally fine bussing a partner, especially when they are the presumptive D1 lynch and when defending them isn't going to net me any town points. I see Joseph as a player that as scum buddies I would 100% never defend D1 unless there was an extremely good reason to, but I guess that's just WIFOM.
#312 - Votes back to Scolapasta
Yup, thought WCD was town and scola was the only alternative to what I thought was an easy mislynch on a null read.
#315 - If joseph flipped Green I would lynch dylan for this post. Says that scola is a better case, yet he sees why people are voting for them. However, Joseph flipped red, so it wasn't like they were leaving the window open to move.
He checks back in and says there is no reason that has been brought up that is merits enough credit to change their mind to Joseph over Scola. Then they check back in during twilight to comment on the UB claim shit.
TLDR; I obviously didn't want to lynch Joseph either, so I cannot hold that against Dylan. However, the multiple attempts to link suspicion to players he should not know the alignment of, combined with the multiple attempts to dismantle the Joseph wagon, combined with some of the other details there in between... this is where I am at:
Vote: Dylan
ppe several
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Honestly, my D1 theory about scum wagoning scola then avoiding Joseph actually seems very likely. If I remember correctly, the pool there was LL and ADK, and if ADK is scum gg, because that counterclaim was brilliant if you are scum. So major FOS on LL after you all realize I'm not scum, whether through logic or a flip. If e is town (I strongly doubt it), then mail-mi and/or calamitas are pretty likely to be scum.
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I would switch to LL or mail-mi, but until a wagon forms somewhere else, I'm just leaving my vote on scum!e.
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a very rationale, well explained response...
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I got a little behind, so I'll re-read a bunch of D2 stuff in more detail now.
I agree with Calamitas that if we have scum!Dylan and town!Mail-mi, then we should have expected more of a scum!Mail-mi case to have been made. Which ironically makes me worried about then coming along with a Mail-mi re-read in case I feel like he's scummier than Dylan :-P However, the optics are less important than trying to get a glorious town victory...
One problem with that: I'm not scum. I think it's more likely that scum!Calamitas is trying to distract away from his partner Dylan (though I don't think that's the most likely pairing, speaking objectively).
You think it is more likely?
It's more likely than me being scum for the reasons calamitas and space stated. (To me, its infinitely more likely since I know I'm town.
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To me, its infinitely more likely since I know I'm town.
Exactly or should have been exactly.
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I don’t like about Dylan though that except from LaLight none of my townreads is on that wagon. No ADK, no Space, no me.
I mean... ADK is everyone's town read. You are yourself... so you have 2 town reads... and half of them are on that wagon (at time of this post actually ADK switched so 2/3)... but even if it is just 50% of them... like how many of your town pool do you expect to be in consensus?
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I've done a lot of D2 re-reading today. The first thing that stands out to me is mail-mi's wagon analysis.
Here's the final vote count from yesterday, color-coded for people we know are town/scum. This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
In that long post, he basically insists that there must be at least one scum on the scola wagon (which consisted of Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl), and the remaining one probably on Joseph.
If I were in the middle of a three-person wagon that I was dead-certain contained at least one scum, I'd be pretty happy voting my 50/50 chance that one of the others is scum.
However Mail-mi ignored those great odds, and instead does a load of PoE with excuses like Didds having had towny-seeming reactions and LL being on Joseph much of D1, in order to whittle the six unknowns on Joseph's wagon down to two, and then votes one of those two instead. Why is that more sensible than voting for either Dylan or Swowl, with no messy PoE necessary to get down to those two?
E actually started to pick at this a little but then sadly went off in the direction of trying to sell the Dylan lynch Mail-mi instead of Mail-mi's interest in voting e himself. However the two of them (e and Mail-mi) still had an interesting little exchange around #430-#436, but I still feel like we never get to the bottom of the real reason that Mail-mi wants to vote within a lynchpool that requires significant PoE rather than a lynchpool of the same size that is literally all the players who were off-wagon. (His later post includes me in the off-wagon pool and also Calamitas in the on-wagon pool, again meaning equal-sized pools).
Vote: Mail-mi
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Weird little triangle thing going on here with player's lynch pools today. Yuma pointed out earlier in the day that *assuming this part - after we got skum Day 1* we should stop the lists of chum to skum... which I agree with. Recently, there has been no chum to skum lists, but there has been lynch preferences.
E! - [Mail-Mi, Dylan]
Swowl's last post where he started trying to build a case on mail-mi but landed on Dylan just reads super-duper town to me. Don't really want to lynch swowl today anymore.
Mail-mi or Dylan.
Ready to lynch either one.
Appreciated my case (thanks) and removed me from today's suspicion list. They did absolutely NOT have to do that. I think my points are as good as a case as anyone is gonna find on anyone today (I know, because I have looked lol)... but he could of just of easily followed ADK and said he found it skummy and tried to come at me. Instead, they limited their list to [MailMi, Dylan]
Calamaties - [Mail-Mi, Dylan]
Want to lynch today: Mail-mi, Dylan
Might be next-in-line: Yuma, Swowl, e
Null: WCD, LaLight
Town: Space
IC: ADK
They do then come back and say that Mail-Mi and Dylan are starting to waver, but I believe the rank still holds unless I am mis reading.
Mail-Mi - [Dylan, Swowl, E!]
I'm good with a Dylan lynch. I mean, from my perspective it's either him or Swowl (or both) and as of now I don't have a preference on either one.
Consider this an Intent to hammer to encourage a claim.
They a few posts later acknowledge skum read also on E!, which is why on the list.
Dylan - [E!, LL, MailMi]
I would switch to LL or mail-mi, but until a wagon forms somewhere else, I'm just leaving my vote on scum!e.
LaLight - [Dylan] and I think [E!]?
- I don't have a post for this one. It is just based on trying to read through LL Day 2 and where they seem to be at.
WCD - [Dylan, Mail-Mi]
Mail-mi and Dylan look the worst after yesterday. I was especially perplexed by yams voting for me...it was a weird group of people to follow. But Dylan seems overall more shady. I think I will vote for one of them today.
*snipped*
Yuma - [Mail-Mi, E!]
- Similar to LL, just trying to follow posts of Day 2 for Yuma.
Space - [Swowl, Yuma]
- This is straight up a guess from reading what they have said. I really have no idea. I am just doing it for completion.
Swowl - [Dylan, Mail-Mi]
I am sorry I had the analysis for this ready to type but it is gonna have to wait a few hours. I have some IRL stuff that came up. just typing this now so I do not lose it. The rest will follow.
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Vote: Dylan
I’ve been meaning to vote but wanted to see the vote count. I feel pretty sure scum is on that short list.
@Didds, I assume that when you said "that short list", you mean the end-of-day Scola wagon, is that correct?
Why did you feel like Dylan over Mail-mi, given that they're both there on the Scola wagon?
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Space - [Swowl, Yuma]
- This is straight up a guess from reading what they have said. I really have no idea. I am just doing it for completion.
I think you're okay right now. Not the towniest person, but not a D2 lynch as far as my preferences go.
I think I'm okay with it being between Dylan and Mail-mi for D2, but I want to see more conversations around that before an early hammer.
I do find it really interesting that we've ended up with two scummy-looking off-wagon lynch candidates D2, even though Joseph was playing a really scummy D1 game and I wouldn't be at all surprised if both his buddies ended up bussing. I'm concerned that there are on-wagon people keeping a low profile and contributing very little to D2 even though there's so much more to talk about now than we had in D1.
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I will respond to space later, just noting this for when I have time.
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I got a little behind, so I'll re-read a bunch of D2 stuff in more detail now.
I agree with Calamitas that if we have scum!Dylan and town!Mail-mi, then we should have expected more of a scum!Mail-mi case to have been made. Which ironically makes me worried about then coming along with a Mail-mi re-read in case I feel like he's scummier than Dylan :-P However, the optics are less important than trying to get a glorious town victory...
One problem with that: I'm not scum. I think it's more likely that scum!Calamitas is trying to distract away from his partner Dylan (though I don't think that's the most likely pairing, speaking objectively).
Do you really feel that way? If so, why aren't you pushing more of a Dylan case? From town!you's point of view, you have both the tiny off-wagon lynchpool (Swowl, Dylan and possibly me if you want to explain why I wouldn't either have been bussing a troublesome scumbuddy or at least doing something sensible to distract from him like supporting the leading alternative wagon), and now you think that the most likely reason that Calamitas is pointing out how unlikely it seems that not more people are scumreading you if Dylan is really scum is if both Dylan and Calamitas are the final two scums.
So from your point of view, scum!Dylan seems super-likely if you're town. I find it a bit confusing that you're not acting like you think that. What other hypotheses (as far as who scum is) are you most worried about that keep you voting for e?
PPE 1: okay, well it's more than an hour past sleep time for me now anyway :-)
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I don’t like about Dylan though that except from LaLight none of my townreads is on that wagon. No ADK, no Space, no me.
I mean... ADK is everyone's town read. You are yourself... so you have 2 town reads... and half of them are on that wagon (at time of this post actually ADK switched so 2/3)... but even if it is just 50% of them... like how many of your town pool do you expect to be in consensus?
No, I am confident about the towniness of 5 people in total. And 1 of them is on that wagon.
Which makes the motives of almost everyone on that wagon questionable.
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I've done a lot of D2 re-reading today. The first thing that stands out to me is mail-mi's wagon analysis.
Here's the final vote count from yesterday, color-coded for people we know are town/scum. This analysis will be based on simply the vote count and what I remember from yesterday, with more details (hopefully) to come.
In that long post, he basically insists that there must be at least one scum on the scola wagon (which consisted of Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl), and the remaining one probably on Joseph.
If I were in the middle of a three-person wagon that I was dead-certain contained at least one scum, I'd be pretty happy voting my 50/50 chance that one of the others is scum.
However Mail-mi ignored those great odds, and instead does a load of PoE with excuses like Didds having had towny-seeming reactions and LL being on Joseph much of D1, in order to whittle the six unknowns on Joseph's wagon down to two, and then votes one of those two instead. Why is that more sensible than voting for either Dylan or Swowl, with no messy PoE necessary to get down to those two?
E actually started to pick at this a little but then sadly went off in the direction of trying to sell the Dylan lynch Mail-mi instead of Mail-mi's interest in voting e himself. However the two of them (e and Mail-mi) still had an interesting little exchange around #430-#436, but I still feel like we never get to the bottom of the real reason that Mail-mi wants to vote within a lynchpool that requires significant PoE rather than a lynchpool of the same size that is literally all the players who were off-wagon. (His later post includes me in the off-wagon pool and also Calamitas in the on-wagon pool, again meaning equal-sized pools).
Vote: Mail-mi
Thank you space, I noticed it and spoke about it but didn't formulate it as clearly as you did and forgot to push on it further as I was distracted by missing the caveat. This is weird indeed.
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even though Joseph was playing a really scummy D1 game
We both didn't see it as scummy at the time
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mail-mi, you expressed intent to hammer Dylan, has that changed at all?
calamitas, what is your current opinion on Dylan?
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Vote Count 2.4
mail-mi (3): Calamitas, yuma, SpaceAnemone
Dylan32 (5): 2.71828....., LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Not Voting (0)
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends June 02, 2020, 05:30:00 am.
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mail-mi, you expressed intent to hammer Dylan, has that changed at all?
calamitas, what is your current opinion on Dylan?
I prefer mail-mi as I cannot really imagine a scum!Dylan & town!mail-mi scenario, the push on mail-mi has been way to weak for that.
Dylan is in my second tier of people I want to lynch. I still don't like the way he defended Joseph and ignored him at the beginning of D1. His states reasons for not liking Joseph are potentially authentic though and his reaction to LaLight sounds kind of genuine though I think it's misguided. And I don't have much confidence in the people on wagon, in particular e, Swowl and to a lesser extent West.
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Vote: Dylan
I’ve been meaning to vote but wanted to see the vote count. I feel pretty sure scum is on that short list.
@Didds, I assume that when you said "that short list", you mean the end-of-day Scola wagon, is that correct?
Why did you feel like Dylan over Mail-mi, given that they're both there on the Scola wagon?
Hi hi!
No, I meant the wagons short list....
Vote Count 2.2
mail-mi (3): A Drowned Kernel, Calamitas, Swowl
Dylan32 (2): 2.71828....., LaLight
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, yuma
I think one of those people are scum.
Dylan over yams is just a slight preference. I think they behaved very similarly, but Dylan was a bit more erratic. Although as I think about that more, erratic might be more town. I also thought e coming in late and creating an entirely different wagon (me!) that drew votes from Joseph was scummy. That there are wagons on the three scummiest people seems like like town is doing well, but maybe it just means we’re getting played.
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I prefer mail-mi as I cannot really imagine a scum!Dylan & town!mail-mi scenario, the push on mail-mi has been way to weak for that.
I find this an odd argument
1)I wouldn't call the push on mail-mi "weak", he's the second leading wagon and IIRC more than one person currently not voting for him has expressed willingness to do so
2)mail-mi would not be the scumteam's only option for a lynch to push
3)As I pointed out before, Dylan and mail-mi being scumbuddies is not an unreasonable scenario
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even though Joseph was playing a really scummy D1 game
We both didn't see it as scummy at the time
Well, that's partially true. I saw it as Joseph-like, and I usually don't find town!Joseph to be that pro-town. However, consider how someone who'd drawn scum with him probably felt, watching him drawing so much attention to himself... I feel like they would have been a bit miffed, and would possibly have been quite ready to bus him hard after the L-1 stunt.
Personally, I only really started to doubt my benefit-of-the-doubt strategy on him when it got to twilight, but we have to remember that for the other scum, they would have known about his scummy motivation all the way through, so when they read his posts, they would probably have been much more keenly aware of how they'd look in retrospect/on a later read-through of the game. So yes, I do stand by the statemeny that he was playing a scummy game.
(The thing that swung me around in twilight before his flip was that I set out to do a full enumerated commentary on all his in-game posts, just to point out where he could have helped town out more and made less of a target out of himself. However, in doing that, I realised that when set out all in one list, his play was just too empty. It wasn't till three quarters of the way through his game posts that he actually offered a real opinion on another player's alignment. So that made me change my mind enough not to post an enumerated list, and instead just to summarise briefly in my post at #351, which opened with "Assuming you're town", but really I wasn't sure that was a good assumption by then anyway.. I just felt like covering my bases given that I had just done all that reading, and I remember back when I was new and got mislynched a lot, it was helpful that Haddock gave me some pointers about what people reacted badly to in my playstyle).
PPE 2
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Dylan over yams is just a slight preference. I think they behaved very similarly, but Dylan was a bit more erratic. Although as I think about that more, erratic might be more town. I also thought e coming in late and creating an entirely different wagon (me!) that drew votes from Joseph was scummy. That there are wagons on the three scummiest people seems like like town is doing well, but maybe it just means we’re getting played.
How do you feel about the fact that two of the wagons are on people who were off-wagon on the Jopseh lynch, and instead voting for someone scum chose to flip as a known town, when otherwise he (that is scola) would have been probably a decent mislynch wagon for today given that he had plenty of votes yesterday?
What's your perspective of how likely it feels that scum was on the Joseph wagon with you?
@Yuma, same questions to you, if you please :-)
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I am trying to figure out why scola was killed. I think scum just killed on-wagon, because one of them is off wagon. Also other than Dylan, I would prefer mail-mi or Calamitas.
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I prefer mail-mi as I cannot really imagine a scum!Dylan & town!mail-mi scenario, the push on mail-mi has been way to weak for that.
I find this an odd argument
1)I wouldn't call the push on mail-mi "weak", he's the second leading wagon and IIRC more than one person currently not voting for him has expressed willingness to do so
2)mail-mi would not be the scumteam's only option for a lynch to push
3)As I pointed out before, Dylan and mail-mi being scumbuddies is not an unreasonable scenario
I don't worry at all about 3), in that scenario I don't care about whom I lynch first; thus it's not an argument against preferring mail-mi
I still feel 1) is true, he's the second leading wagon but I didn't feel a drive towards it. Sure, people stated they were fine going there but no one did. Instead, the Dylan wagon built and built and no one except me made a push for switching. Dylan could have easily been hammered by now, that's what I would call weak.
I think 2) is a bit mood as no one else was really pushed and mail-mi would be the most convenient choice. The arguments for him and Dylan are similar and a significant number of people have stated that they like either (though votes are mostly on Dylan).
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or Calamitas.
This is ridiculous.
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I don't worry at all about 3), in that scenario I don't care about whom I lynch first; thus it's not an argument against preferring mail-mi
It's not an argument against preferring Dylan either
I think 2) is a bit mood as no one else was really pushed and mail-mi would be the most convenient choice. The arguments for him and Dylan are similar and a significant number of people have stated that they like either (though votes are mostly on Dylan).
I think e has been substantially pushed today
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mail-mi, you expressed intent to hammer Dylan, has that changed at all?
I do find it interesting that mail-mi posts intent to hammer @542, Dylan gets back @556, then @560 and @567 mail-mi posts again but ignores Dylan, but just mentions that calamitas is a likely enough Dylan partner (560) and then a short "busy now, reply to the case on me later"
Was a fake intent? You really don't want to lynch your scum buddy, but posting intent to hammer seemed townie at the time?
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Like, if mail-mi is actually town I see no reason why he didn't just hammer.
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I know I am very much now going off a "both Dylan and mail-mi are scum" read
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I know I am very much now going off a "both Dylan and mail-mi are scum" read
I was hoping he would respond before I spelled that all out, but yes
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mail-mi, you expressed intent to hammer Dylan, has that changed at all?
I do find it interesting that mail-mi posts intent to hammer @542, Dylan gets back @556, then @560 and @567 mail-mi posts again but ignores Dylan, but just mentions that calamitas is a likely enough Dylan partner (560) and then a short "busy now, reply to the case on me later"
Was a fake intent? You really don't want to lynch your scum buddy, but posting intent to hammer seemed townie at the time?
Nope.
vote: dylan
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Like, if mail-mi is actually town I see no reason why he didn't just hammer.
I'm town. Also i haven't been keeping track of votes cause I've been busy so not sure if that's hammer or not.
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Back for a bit
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Oh hammer
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Weird little triangle thing going on here with player's lynch pools today. Yuma pointed out earlier in the day that *assuming this part - after we got skum Day 1* we should stop the lists of chum to skum... which I agree with. Recently, there has been no chum to skum lists, but there has been lynch preferences.
Lynch preferences are just as bad. So are consolidating them into one large post, I think.
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I will respond to space later, just noting this for when I have time.
Noting what?
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Dylan over yams is just a slight preference. I think they behaved very similarly, but Dylan was a bit more erratic. Although as I think about that more, erratic might be more town. I also thought e coming in late and creating an entirely different wagon (me!) that drew votes from Joseph was scummy. That there are wagons on the three scummiest people seems like like town is doing well, but maybe it just means we’re getting played.
How do you feel about the fact that two of the wagons are on people who were off-wagon on the Jopseh lynch, and instead voting for someone scum chose to flip as a known town, when otherwise he (that is scola) would have been probably a decent mislynch wagon for today given that he had plenty of votes yesterday?
What's your perspective of how likely it feels that scum was on the Joseph wagon with you?
@Yuma, same questions to you, if you please :-)
I am having a hard time parsing what you want me to answer? But I think it is based on the idea of assessing why scola was killed? I don't think that or any other analysis of NK is very useful and has rarely proven to be before.
But to actually answer your question, I would guess 1 on 1 off from a layperson's statistically viewpoint, but again don't really see it is being a useful way to actually scum or townread individuals.
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I will respond to space later, just noting this for when I have time.
Noting what?
Noting to respond to their case on me.
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Day 2 Final Vote Count
mail-mi (3): Calamitas, yuma, SpaceAnemone
Dylan32 (6): 2.71828....., LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel, mail-mi
2.71828..... (1): Dylan32
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until June 01, 2020, 06:30:00 am or whenever faust gets here, whichever is latest.
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Oh!
I guess that wasn’t a surprise, but still a bit unexpected.
I’ve got dinner and kid stuff for the next few hours...but I can check in again before I shut down for the evening
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finished Sunday things, came to check in and it appears to be done.
kind of surprised that twilight has been open for so long and no one is chatting at all.
that being said I don't really have anything to chat about so I suppose I cannot hold it against anyone.
I am around for a few hours is anyone else is.
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I don't worry at all about 3), in that scenario I don't care about whom I lynch first; thus it's not an argument against preferring mail-mi
It's not an argument against preferring Dylan either
Yes, so you can 100% ignore it when thinking about Dylan vs. mail-mi. That has been my point all the time.
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I really don't like that no one was going away from Dylan and don't like e's play at all at the end. It's pretty insane to allow the best alternative lynch target to hammer and even provoke him into doing so.
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Dylan32 was nervously shuffling about, waiting for a good time to speak, but faust was still on the phone.
"Err, faust... this has been great and all but I actually remembered that I have another thing... and someone should probably get scolapasta to the hospital and all... so, thanks for the invite, but..."
faust put the phone away for a second. "No, you have to stay. I need to still show you all the things this marvel of technology can do! You should totally stay, please..."
Dylan32 has been lynched! They were a Vanilla Townie!
Night 1 starts now and lasts at least until June 02, 2020, 08:00:00 pm. Night actions due in 24 hours.
Thread locked!
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faust put the ear away from the phone, and called over to his remaining friends: "They suggest that we try turning it off and on again."
SpaceAnemone saw the on/off button, and was quick to push it. As they did, an electrical shock surged through them.
faust looked at the scene, dismayed. "Yeah, that didn't work. ... hello?" The call was cut off. Apparently the power surge had cut off the phone's electricity.
SpaceAnemone has been killed! They were a Vanilla Townie.
Day 3 begins!
Vote Count 3.0
Not Voting (8): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, yuma, LaLight, Calamitas, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, Swowl
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am.
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hell
I'm extremely frustrated. vote: Calamitas , I guess
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hell
I'm extremely frustrated. vote: Calamitas , I guess
What. This is insane.
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I still don't like mail-mi and I like e even less than yesterday. Not re-read anything yet.
I have a slight town-read on LaLight, never stated my reasons for that. He stated in the quarantine call, in a general-not-to-this-game-referring-way, that he struggles right now in town games but is doing fine in scum games. This game seems to resemble the former style. But I have not read any recent games and thus cannot confi.rm or deny this.
That being said, his fixation on me seems super weird tbh, imo that's just bad play and makes me question their motives. I mean, there is no reasonable way looking at things in which I appear on the top of anyones scumlist.
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I'm currently inclined to think mail-mi is town. More thoughts later
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I still don't like mail-mi and I like e even less than yesterday. Not re-read anything yet.
I have a slight town-read on LaLight, never stated my reasons for that. He stated in the quarantine call, in a general-not-to-this-game-referring-way, that he struggles right now in town games but is doing fine in scum games. This game seems to resemble the former style. But I have not read any recent games and thus cannot confi.rm or deny this.
That being said, his fixation on me seems super weird tbh, imo that's just bad play and makes me question their motives. I mean, there is no reasonable way looking at things in which I appear on the top of anyones scumlist.
you're the one I would expect to kill Space
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vote: 2.7
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vote: swowl
I find it hard to believe that both scum would bus on day 1, and he's the only other one left off-wagon.
Also very willing to go to e or calamitas.
Also why is ADK still alive?
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I still don't like mail-mi and I like e even less than yesterday. Not re-read anything yet.
I have a slight town-read on LaLight, never stated my reasons for that. He stated in the quarantine call, in a general-not-to-this-game-referring-way, that he struggles right now in town games but is doing fine in scum games. This game seems to resemble the former style. But I have not read any recent games and thus cannot confi.rm or deny this.
That being said, his fixation on me seems super weird tbh, imo that's just bad play and makes me question their motives. I mean, there is no reasonable way looking at things in which I appear on the top of anyones scumlist.
you're the one I would expect to kill Space
Fair enough, that might be true. I wouldn't have skilled Scola though?
In general, I think Space was not that crazy a target. Was still surprised after seeing it but they are a quite strong player and were sufficiently towny to not be lynched in all likelihood.
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vote: swowl
I find it hard to believe that both scum would bus on day 1, and he's the only other one left off-wagon.
Also very willing to go to e or calamitas.
Also why is ADK still alive?
Either my reads are terrible or someone thinks they can push the conspiracy theory
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Hold on. unvote.
My main question right now is why do scum kill off-wagon when there are several perfectly townie people on-wagon to kill instead (thinking ADK, LaLight).
Answer: because both scum are on-wagon. It's the only thing that makes sense. If Swowl is scum, no way he narrows the off-wagon lynchpool to 50-50 with me and him. (Hopefully y'all realize the same about me). Maybe a little of a WIFOM argument, but I think I'm gonna park my vote back on vote: e
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vote: e
But I am interested in what more ADK has to say. (I am teaching right now so I don't have the bandwidth to be super involved, but that will end for the week by tomorrow morning. Hooray for summer summer school weeks!)
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Hold on. unvote.
My main question right now is why do scum kill off-wagon when there are several perfectly townie people on-wagon to kill instead (thinking ADK, LaLight).
Answer: because both scum are on-wagon. It's the only thing that makes sense. If Swowl is scum, no way he narrows the off-wagon lynchpool to 50-50 with me and him. (Hopefully y'all realize the same about me). Maybe a little of a WIFOM argument, but I think I'm gonna park my vote back on vote: e
So, this thought is interesting and I think I agree with it (obviously from a "not Swan or MM POV" that means very little to anyone), but all the same... If MM was skum choosing to isolate it down to me and them from VCA perspective is very strange. Like there are a bazillion WIFOM cases I can think of, but they are all pretty far fetched. I need to think about this more, but I am inclined to agree with MM here.
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Well, my terrible D1 was followed by what I thought was a great D2 until the flip happened.
Vote: mail-mi
Case on me is basically the D1 hammer was a ruse and D2 was focused on a mislynch?
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Well, my terrible D1 was followed by what I thought was a great D2 until the flip happened.
Vote: mail-mi
Case on me is basically the D1 hammer was a ruse and D2 was focused on a mislynch?
If you think I'm scum, you have to ask why I killed Space. it puts me in a 1v1 with Swowl and 9 times out of 10 I get lynched before swowl (which is a point for swowl's scumminess, I guess). There's no reasonable scum tactic there.
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Day 2 Final Vote Count
mail-mi (3): Calamitas, yuma, SpaceAnemone
Dylan32 (6): 2.71828....., LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel, mail-mi
2.71828..... (1): Dylan32
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until June 01, 2020, 06:30:00 am or whenever faust gets here, whichever is latest.
Also, scum totally hopped on my wagon. I mean, that case was lock right, except for the fact that Dylan was actually town. Scum love hopping on someone else's cause.
The town flip does make me question everything I was so convinced of though.
Yuma and LaLight are much more on the table for me then they were, for example.
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Well, my terrible D1 was followed by what I thought was a great D2 until the flip happened.
Vote: mail-mi
Case on me is basically the D1 hammer was a ruse and D2 was focused on a mislynch?
If you think I'm scum, you have to ask why I killed Space. it puts me in a 1v1 with Swowl and 9 times out of 10 I get lynched before swowl (which is a point for swowl's scumminess, I guess). There's no reasonable scum tactic there.
That was clever of you, wasn't it?
You think I am scum, you have to ask why I set myself up to be the #1 lynch option for today. There was no reason for me to goad you into the hammer. There was no reason for me to consistently and thoroughly build the case on Dylan after I saw it take off. I could take a break! Relax! My top two mislynch wagons (if mail-mi is town as he claims) were rolling along nicely.
No, I had just caught the tunnel vision because I got excited about a scum Lynch and thought I had solved the game! Hooray for me!
(Spoilers: I didn't)
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Oh, and WCD is back on the table as well. Your friendly neighborhood scum, that's WCD for you.
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Oh, and WCD is back on the table as well. Your friendly neighborhood scum, that's WCD for you.
Ok, now I am just throwing out random accusations. But yeah. Also, ADK is still solidly town for me despite the weirdness of not killing them.
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OK, I am doing some stuff, and to avoid confusion have written this up so that I can reference it for the points I am going to make.
The below is currently for D1 only. It starts at the height of the Pasta wagon, and then proceeds to follow all vote moves until end of Day 1. It is color coded (I left myself grey and put ADK in as Green, to help clarity for others reading it).
This is the height of the Pasta Wagon on Day 1:
Joseph2302 (1): scolapasta
A Drowned Kernel (2): SpaceAnemone, yuma
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (6): Dylan32, ADrownedKernel, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas, Joseph
Not Voting (2): WestCoastDidds, DatSwan
Fairly immediately after the Joseph unvote thing...Space moves from ADK to MM, then ADK, WCD go to Joseph (Yuma does as well, then a little later goes to Mail Mi). That brings us here to VC 1.2.2:
Joseph2302 (3): scolapasta, A Drowned Kernel, WestCoastDidds
mail-mi (3): 2.71828....., SpaceAnemone, yuma
scolapasta (4): Dylan32, LaLight, mail-mi, Calamitas
Not Voting (2): DatSwan, Joseph2302
So, I find these two wagon "snap shots" important (as well as the third one below) in trying to figure out; a) why skum chose to kill who they did, b) analyze Joseph's movements, c) analyze other's movements.
a) I think with the way these two wagons ran up (pasta and joseph), followed by the skum flip of Joseph, that skum chose Pasta as the NK because like... how were they gonna sell skum!pasta there after Joseph flipped red? I mean, still dunno what to say about ADK not being the choice... but I also am continuing to treat them as IC so I don't care rn.
b) Why did he unvote? That is just what I cannot get my head around. Like up unto that point (when they unvoted) they had not like... done anything skummy. OK - they put pasta at L1, but like even if a hammer came down... its not the worst. I just do not get why they unvoted. However, as I stated yesterday, regardless of "where he went", I think that he chose to leave because he realized skum was saturated on the Pasta wagon. Now that Dylan has flipped Town, I find it even easier to believe that is the case because that would put all the people with suspicious placement on the wagon as the only one's we do not know the alignment of.
c) Other Player's Movements:
- Space votes MM
- ADK, WCD, Yuma are the first to move to Joseph after they unvote. ADK town, and I assign town points to the other two for being so early on the move.
- After they move, we get to the above posted Vote Count 1.2.2.. From there we have some tip toeing around either of these two player wagons for a bit. The moves were:
*Swowl votes ADK, from No Vote
Pasta votes Calam, from Joseph
Space votes E!, from MM
**LaLight votes Joseph, from Pasta
Dylan votes LaLight, from Pasta
***WCD votes Yuma, from Joseph
**Yuma votes Joseph, from MailMi
LL does a post back to back switch, but ends up staying on Joseph
Dylan unvotes from LaLight
That brings us to VC 1.5:
Joseph2302 (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
yuma (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, Dylan32
So what I am looking for here in this last part:
* UNK players moving to Town from UNK
** UNK players moving to Skum
*** UNK players moving off of Skum
(Any move that starts with Green Text, is a conf!Town player moving... which while good info, when isolated is not important).
So far that is;
* Swan voting for ADK
** LaLight and Yuma both go to Joseph (and LL was off of Town!Scola)
*** WCD leaves Joseph, for UNK!Yuma
At this point, there is 48 hours until DL. We go a full 24 hours with a decent amount of talk, but no votes moving. That streak is then broken with 24 hours left to DL...
**WCD votes Joseph, from Yuma
Joseph votes E!, from No Vote
E! votes WCD, from MailMi (first completely UNK move since VC 1.4)
Dylan votes WCD, from No Vote
Dylan votes Pasta, from WCD
***Yuma votes WCD, from Joseph
Joseph votes WCD, from E!
K so that brings us to 7 hours to DL and VC 1.7:
Joseph2302 (4): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
There we had;
** WCD voting Joseph
*** Yuma leaving Joseph
Then there are like 3 back to back switches, but ends up starting with...
Pasta votes Joseph, from Calam
Swowl votes Pasta, from ADK
That takes us here:
Joseph2302 (5): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scola
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
*** Yuma votes Joseph, from WCD
*** E! hammers Joseph, from WCD
Final Day 1 VC:
Joseph2302 (5): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scola, Yuma, 2.71828..
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
So I started typing all of this up just for myself to look into MM's point I responded to about last night's kill selection... then kind of decided it would be good to look further into it. A couple things immediately jump out, though I have other points I want to dive into as well:
MM's point about last night's NK choice is, imo, actually a fairly solid point. Looking at the second to last wagon, there are 3 UNK!Players on the wagon, and 4 UNK!Players off the wagon. By the last wagon, 2 votes later, there are 5 UNK!Players on the wagon and 2 UNK!Players off the wagon. The choice to kill Space is super strange - I believe they had been pretty strongly advocating that they did not think that there were 2 skum players on the wagon at the end, so there had to be at least 1 off in their mind. With Dylan flipping Town, skum then chose to kill Space. That would be a super weird play if MM was skum here. Even if they push me... bc then I flip green and then they kind of got Skum!MM on the outs there. Which is inherently why I do not think MM is skum.
I think it is more likely that there are actually two skum that were on the Joseph wagon. I have a lot of thoughts I need to parse out regarding the grouping of [LL, WCD, Calam] vs [Yuma, E!], but this took wayyyy longer than I expected... so it is gonna have to wait a bit while I get some other stuff done.
Most important for now - I do not think MM is a good lynch today.
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Oh, and WCD is back on the table as well. Your friendly neighborhood scum, that's WCD for you.
Wild, random accusations! Friendly isn’t scummy, and I am not scummy.
But I will also admit to not having done much this game. I hope to rectify that tomorrow.
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Does Swowl put in this much effort into doing things like VCA as scum? I don't remember scum!Swowl, I'm asking those who do.
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vote: e
L-1
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Does Swowl put in this much effort into doing things like VCA as scum? I don't remember scum!Swowl, I'm asking those who do.
Swowl puts in a lot of effort as scum from what I recall of him. I need to do more rereading before I'm ready to vote, and I don't like yuma's L-1
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Vote Count 3.1
2.71828..... (4): LaLight, mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, yuma
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (3): Calamitas, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am.
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Day 2 Log
Vote Count 2.1
mail-mi (2): A Drowned Kernel, Calamitas
Dylan32 (2): 2.71828....., LaLight
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, yuma, DatSwan
Swan votes MailMi
LaLight votes E!, from Dylan
LaLight goes back to Dylan
WCD votes Dylan
ADK votes Swowl, from MailMi
Yuma votes E!
Swan votes Dylan, from MailMi
Yuma votes MailMi, from E!
Vote Count 2.3
mail-mi (2): Calamitas, yuma
Dylan32 (4): 2.71828....., LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
2.71828..... (2): Dylan32, mail-mi
Swowl (1): A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone
ADK votes Dylan (L-1), from Swowl
Space votes MailMi
MailMi hammers Dylan, from E!
Final Vote Count
mail-mi (3): Calamitas, yuma, SpaceAnemone
Dylan32 (6): 2.71828....., LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel, mail-mi
2.71828..... (1): Dylan32
Swowl (1): A Drowned Kernel
It would be leaps and bounds to make assumptions just based on this day's VCA bc we have no red color on the board. So a slightly different approach, something I started with yesterday - the groupings.
1) Players that voted for MailMi - ADK, Calam, Yuma, Space'
- Space and ADK green text so removed. Calam and Yuma join one after the other on MM for pretty much the whole day.
- It is impossible for all three to be skum. It is very unlikely that both Calam and Yuma are skum together.
- Ignoring personal preference for a moment, in the world where MM could be skum... then it is kind of up in the air if one of Calam or Yuma are. However, If MM is Town, then I think it is likely that one of Calam or Yuma are skum.
- Not the best pool to analyze right now, as we need a flip to get a better grip of the situation... and there is a chance that they are all just Town.
- Important note IMO; Yuma and Calam are not both skum together.
2) Players that voted for E! - Dylan, MailMi, LaLight, Yuma
- Dylan is green.
- LL and Yuma both hopped on and off of E! super quick. Never same time, and like only stayed for a moment.
- Only thing here is that it is remotely interesting the fact that MailMi was all for E! pretty much the whole day. And now is good again with E!. But then followed their top SR onto Dylan when they hammered.
3) Players that voted for Dylan - E!, LaLight, WCD, Swowl, ADK, MailMi
- E and LL were on Dylan from the get go for literally the entire day. Day 2 specific read would be I think it is likely there is skum in those 2.
- WCD adds on not far after and also sits all day. That is apex of UNK players on Town wagon. I need to go and iso the three of them out later, too many things to think through rn.
- Swowl makes Dylan case and switches from MM. Not gonna do my own stuff, for obvious reasons.
- ADK moves from Swowl with me over to Dylan. Not doing ADK either, for obvious reasons.
- MM hammers. Again, interesting that they followed E! here who had been there all day.
So I mean pretty much this is how the pools are being made:
Joseph Lynchers: A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scola, Yuma, 2.71828..
Non-Joseph Lynchers: MailMi, Swowl
Dylan Lynchers: E!, LaLight, WCD, Swowl, ADK, MailMi
That gives us
a) Players on Joseph and Dylan - [E, LL, WCD]
b) Players off Joseph and on Dylan - [MailMi, Swowl]
c) Players on Joseph and off Dylan - [Calam, Yuma]
There is no case here. I just had some time and needed to get this down in order to do the ISOs. I will start on those tomorrow. Ya'll could feel free to do some too if you want.
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Does Swowl put in this much effort into doing things like VCA as scum? I don't remember scum!Swowl, I'm asking those who do.
Swowl puts in a lot of effort as scum from what I recall of him. I need to do more rereading before I'm ready to vote, and I don't like yuma's L-1
I put in equal effort regardless of alignment. Which I suppose is not an argument for my being town here... but I don't like your answer. I have played with you enough for you to know I rely on VCA mid game no matter what. If you were not IC I would find it skummy that you did not include that in your response.
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For now I prefer vote: mail-mi . It is crazy how far e has built. I really don't like the L-1, someone please leave that wagon for now.
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Unvote
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Does Swowl put in this much effort into doing things like VCA as scum? I don't remember scum!Swowl, I'm asking those who do.
Swowl puts in a lot of effort as scum from what I recall of him. I need to do more rereading before I'm ready to vote, and I don't like yuma's L-1
I put in equal effort regardless of alignment. Which I suppose is not an argument for my being town here... but I don't like your answer. I have played with you enough for you to know I rely on VCA mid game no matter what. If you were not IC I would find it skummy that you did not include that in your response.
The intention of the post was that it's null for you, I realize now that that wasn't clear
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"I would scumread you if you weren't the IC" is a townie thing for swowl to say, though
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For now I prefer vote: mail-mi . It is crazy how far e has built. I really don't like the L-1, someone please leave that wagon for now.
Scum wagons have been built in less time (I'm thinking hunger games D1).
e is 100% my preferred lynch here. Would be willing to go with yuma or calamitas as well. LaLight and Swowl are considerations, but would prefer to lynch elsewhere.
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For now I prefer vote: mail-mi . It is crazy how far e has built. I really don't like the L-1, someone please leave that wagon for now.
Scum wagons have been built in less time (I'm thinking hunger games D1).
e is 100% my preferred lynch here. Would be willing to go with yuma or calamitas as well. LaLight and Swowl are considerations, but would prefer to lynch elsewhere.
why? specifically to the yuma/calamatias section.
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also weekend is going to be a little much for me this week. so I will be around, but not a ton until Monday evening.
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also weekend is going to be a little much for me this week. so I will be around, but not a ton until Monday evening.
Oooohhhhhhh...... are you doing something fun??
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For now I prefer vote: mail-mi . It is crazy how far e has built. I really don't like the L-1, someone please leave that wagon for now.
Scum wagons have been built in less time (I'm thinking hunger games D1).
e is 100% my preferred lynch here. Would be willing to go with yuma or calamitas as well. LaLight and Swowl are considerations, but would prefer to lynch elsewhere.
why? specifically to the yuma/calamatias section.
They've got the scummiest position on the wagon, I think.
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also weekend is going to be a little much for me this week. so I will be around, but not a ton until Monday evening.
Oooohhhhhhh...... are you doing something fun??
Sigh maybe not. Me and DisSwan were gonna do some dispersed camping/fishing but rangers just updated saying no go in that area.... so i might be around :/
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Why did the speed of this go down so much. Why is e so silent given they are basically on the brink of being lynched?
Honestly, I am not a fan of this whole "there got to be scum off/on wagon" thingy. That is not a good style to scumread individiuals.
I think mail-mi hesitating to lynch Dylan is evidence of him being scum. If they were town they would have been a tad more eager to just lynch Dylan I think than if they knew of their towniness.
I don't like e's play yesterday. As he said, he was in full tunnel vision but that might actually be because he and mail-mi are scum together or so and he had to fight really hard to get mail-mi over Dylan. I think I still prefer mail-mi over e in direct lynch comparision because
a) in the scenario where both are scum it doesn't matter
b) in the scenario where e is scum and mail-mi is town, e can be fine pushing less because it was clear one of them will be the target given what almost everyone stated
c) in the scenario where e is town and mail-mi is scum, his tunnel vision still makes sense
Thus, I put more probability mass on c) than on b).
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I guess I am being silent because I don't have much to say? I talked myself out yesterday?
Also, how do you respond to these?
vote: 2.7
vote: e
But I am interested in what more ADK has to say. (I am teaching right now so I don't have the bandwidth to be super involved, but that will end for the week by tomorrow morning. Hooray for summer summer school weeks!)
vote: e
L-1
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I mean, swowl has a good post, I like a lot of what he said.
Yuma, what do you think of that post? WCD? LaLight?
But just.....vote for e. Because obviously.
Here is my defense: Day 1 was just bad. No defense there. I did hammer scum though. Day 2 I tunneled a very reasonable person to vote against. I was wrong.
People are voting me for what I did. But, as you (Calamitas) point out, there is a narrative where I am town that makes sense. Because I am town. That's why it makes sense.
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Unvote
I mean, how about changing your vote to appease town rather than for what you think?
I have no problem with being at L-1. I do pose some level of distraction and I think flipping green would clarify things for a lot of people. I definitely don't want that to happen.
As Calamitas noted, compare my game with mail-mi. Maybe I am scum (no), maybe mail-mi is scum (maybe?), maybe we both are scum (no). But the narrative for scum!mail-mi is better than the narrative for me being scum.
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Vote Count 1.7
Joseph2302 (4): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (3): 2.71828....., yuma, Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~7 hours.
This is probably my last vote count for this in-game day and I have no idea where faust is, so here's my fair warning.
We regret to inform you that mail-mi will not be awake for deadline, but he will leave with a vote: WCD as a better alternative than Joseph.
This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
WCD is town. vote: scola
This little exchange is interesting. Mail-mi jumping on and off WCD at a critical juncture. I am starting to get much more suspicious of mail-mi than I was.
rereading yesterday was really what got me onto mail-mi being scum (D1 I was saying he was town just like joseph was town). But, as is clearly evident, my D1 reads were crap (as few of them that I had).
I accused Dylan of being scummy for jumping on the WCD wagon with me. But it was actually mail-mi who jumped on the wagon in a pretty scummy spot then immediately realized how scummy it was and hopped off.
Then avoided lynching town (dylan) until I goaded them into it even after their "intent to hammer"
So yeah. WCD, yuma, LaLight....everyone who just one-off and voted me because....reasons I guess.
Compare my game with mail-mi's. Who is scummier and why?
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Unvote
I mean, how about changing your vote to appease town rather than for what you think?
I have no problem with being at L-1. I do pose some level of distraction and I think flipping green would clarify things for a lot of people. I definitely don't want that to happen.
As Calamitas noted, compare my game with mail-mi. Maybe I am scum (no), maybe mail-mi is scum (maybe?), maybe we both are scum (no). But the narrative for scum!mail-mi is better than the narrative for me being scum.
I feel like it’s you or yams, but beyond that I’m not so clear.
Calam asked someone to unvote for a minute, and with so much time left in the day, I think it was a fair request.
I find it tremendously helpful when Swowl reads the game. But he doesn’t really draw any conclusions. Alas
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Unvote
I mean, how about changing your vote to appease town rather than for what you think?
I have no problem with being at L-1. I do pose some level of distraction and I think flipping green would clarify things for a lot of people. I definitely don't want that to happen.
As Calamitas noted, compare my game with mail-mi. Maybe I am scum (no), maybe mail-mi is scum (maybe?), maybe we both are scum (no). But the narrative for scum!mail-mi is better than the narrative for me being scum.
I feel like it’s you or yams, but beyond that I’m not so clear.
Calam asked someone to unvote for a minute, and with so much time left in the day, I think it was a fair request.
I find it tremendously helpful when Swowl reads the game. But he doesn’t really draw any conclusions. Alas
No yeah, I was just kind of grasping at anything in the moment, you still aren't on the top of my scum list for the day despite all the swipes I have taken at you.
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No yeah, I was just kind of grasping at anything in the moment, you still aren't on the top of my scum list for the day despite all the swipes I have taken at you.
That’s fair. Grasping at straws requires grasping at straws.
So, what do you think about Swowl?
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I mean, swowl has a good post, I like a lot of what he said.
Yuma, what do you think of that post? WCD? LaLight?
But just.....vote for e. Because obviously.
Here is my defense: Day 1 was just bad. No defense there. I did hammer scum though. Day 2 I tunneled a very reasonable person to vote against. I was wrong.
People are voting me for what I did. But, as you (Calamitas) point out, there is a narrative where I am town that makes sense. Because I am town. That's why it makes sense.
Please answer why I as scum would kill SA as opposed to LaLight or ADK.
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I mean, swowl has a good post, I like a lot of what he said.
Yuma, what do you think of that post? WCD? LaLight?
But just.....vote for e. Because obviously.
Here is my defense: Day 1 was just bad. No defense there. I did hammer scum though. Day 2 I tunneled a very reasonable person to vote against. I was wrong.
People are voting me for what I did. But, as you (Calamitas) point out, there is a narrative where I am town that makes sense. Because I am town. That's why it makes sense.
Please answer why I as scum would kill SA as opposed to LaLight or ADK.
I have no clue how ADK survived N1 or N2.
I honestly have no clue what scum was doing. I almost threw some shade Space's direction because they were off wagon and voting me D1 until I double checked and realized they were killed
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Here, let's try something fresh
vote: yuma
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Here, let's try something fresh
vote: yuma
Why’s that?
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Unvote
I mean, how about changing your vote to appease town rather than for what you think?
I have no problem with being at L-1. I do pose some level of distraction and I think flipping green would clarify things for a lot of people. I definitely don't want that to happen.
As Calamitas noted, compare my game with mail-mi. Maybe I am scum (no), maybe mail-mi is scum (maybe?), maybe we both are scum (no). But the narrative for scum!mail-mi is better than the narrative for me being scum.
I feel like it’s you or yams, but beyond that I’m not so clear.
Calam asked someone to unvote for a minute, and with so much time left in the day, I think it was a fair request.
I find it tremendously helpful when Swowl reads the game. But he doesn’t really draw any conclusions. Alas
Just to clarify - I have some conclusions, I added in most of the non-accusatory one's. The reason I had not posted the conclusions I came too regarding who looks like skum were because there is no 1-outs... like they are all groupings, or in frustrating pairs. The only person that I was able to isolate out that I liked at the beginning of the day was E!, who was like immediately ran up to L-1... which made me uneasy, so I decided to hold off.
But for clarity...
I think there is 1-2 skum in: [LaLight, Calamitas, WCD]
I think there is 0-1 skum is in [MailMi, E!, Yuma]
- I find Yuma's Day 1 L-1 on Joseph far more towny than I find E!'s hammer, and I cannot get over the kill selection tonight in regards to MailMi. So from the second group I like E! the most by a mile.
- I also think it is boarder line impossible that both Yuma and E! are both skum (based on end of Day 1).
- I also think it is just under boarder line impossible that MM and E! are skum together at this point.
- So, as E! is my pref, I actually really like that lynch today because if E! flips over red that essentially clears Yuma in my mind. If he flips green... well then screw me and I would be back to a pool of [Yuma, MM] both of which I find far townier than E!.
- Or... they are all town and there is 2 skum in Group 1. However, I think that is about as likely as MM and E! being skum together.
So most likely, imo, 1 skum in group 1 and 1 skum in group 2. I have a preference for E in group 2, and I am like exactly even across the board on group 1. So I am inclined to look at group 2, and therefore my inclination is E! for today.
Somebody wants to throw a wrench in any of that logic though, please feel free. I have looked at it to death at this point.
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Whew! I’m glad I’m not the only one going around in circles.
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Whew! I’m glad I’m not the only one going around in circles.
I mean TBF... only kind of circles. My conclusion right now is I wanna lynch E!. I do not see myself changing my mind off of them onto Yuma or MM. And I would have to have a case presented, or come across one myself, that is stronger than my reasons for E! for an individual within [WCD, Calam, LL] for me to go there today. And I have looked, and while I have my preference there... it is close... and they are also both still irritatingly tied to E!.
So just being clear - I want to lynch E!. I just also do not want the day to end like 2 IRL days in, so I did not/am not currently voting at all.
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Yep, yep...
I agree on e. I think when the three wagons were e, yams, and Dylan there was scum among those three. And I am more convinced now that we know Dylan is town.
The space kill makes Calamitas or LL more suspicious since they likely would find her more dangerous they ADK. I think that you, me, yams, and ADK would have all killed ADK. E likely too, but I think/know he’s more up for a hairbrained scheme than most.
Yuma is a phantom for me. I don’t know him well enough or have played with him enough to have any sense of what is scummy or not.
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Why did the speed of this go down so much. Why is e so silent given they are basically on the brink of being lynched?
Gonna go ahead and guess it had to do with the E! wagon getting run up so quickly.
Honestly, I am not a fan of this whole "there got to be scum off/on wagon" thingy. That is not a good style to scumread individiuals.
This is a fair point to an extent. You should not "skum read" individuals based on VCA. However, I will argue that "the on wagon off wagon thingy" WHEN WE ACTUALLY LYNCHED SKUM DAY 1... is kind of unarguably a good metric to use to attempt to create pools of potential team mates.
I think mail-mi hesitating to lynch Dylan is evidence of him being scum. If they were town they would have been a tad more eager to just lynch Dylan I think than if they knew of their towniness.
More importantly, they decided to go onto hammer the wagon that had E! on it, who is who they were pushing all day. Which is weird. and I get that.. but then see below...
I don't like e's play yesterday. As he said, he was in full tunnel vision but that might actually be because he and mail-mi are scum together or so and he had to fight really hard to get mail-mi over Dylan. I think I still prefer mail-mi over e in direct lynch comparision because
a) in the scenario where both are scum it doesn't matter
b) in the scenario where e is scum and mail-mi is town, e can be fine pushing less because it was clear one of them will be the target given what almost everyone stated
c) in the scenario where e is town and mail-mi is scum, his tunnel vision still makes sense
Thus, I put more probability mass on c) than on b).
Your ABCs here are like solid in thought. But you gotta ask yourself - If MM is skum, why would they kill Space? I know I have brought that up already, but I am actually asking you in regards to specifically your ABCs above here. Like regardless of whether or not you put merit into the one off one on concept, it was clearly stated to be the state of mind of a lot of players in the game. So...
a) They are both skum. Space is killed. Creates a pool of everyone's favorite choice [E!], a pool of [MailMi, Swan], and then then like [Calam, WCD, LL, Yuma]. This is the point I was kind of referring to in my previous post. This is actually possibly an explanation for the kill choice. They both go for one and other in hopes of giving mass town cred to the other.. I guess. But I mean there would be too many Town players alive for the survivor to avoid suspicion of being alive for the rest of the game... so it is a long shot.
b) E is skum, MM is Town. OK... I know I am town, and the kill choice then creates a field of MM/Swan (town, town), E (skum), and [WCD, Calam, LL, Yuma] (2 town, 1 skum). That is a pretty damn good spot for E to put them plus whoever from [WCD, Calam, LL, Yuma] is skum in.
*** "C" here is now it's own separate point I just came to while i was thinking out loud responding to this ***
c) I actually am slightly potentially changing my mind as I type this one up... MM skum, E Town. MM is then skum with one of [Calam, WCD, LL, Yuma]. Doesn't really make sense for them to isolate themselves into a pool with just me if they are skum... but, and this is what I just thought of right now... it could make sense if they come out with a sequence of let's say..
1) voting for Swowl
2) realizing that doesn't make sense, pointing out why, in attempts to remove both of us from selection
3) moving it to someone else, like E!.
That would make skum team MM+ one of [Calam, WCD, LL, Yuma]. So... plan would of been like... lynch E, kill within the second group, and set up for the long game 2v1. Does that parse?
I missed this while being wrapped up in doing the VCA. This could actually be a thing. Maybe.
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I am getting on tonight to do a thorough reread and catch up. This COVID surge is kicking my butt. But a weekend to be on and around should get me back in the game. I may or may not be flying kites tonight... we will see...
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I am getting on tonight to do a thorough reread and catch up. This COVID surge is kicking my butt. But a weekend to be on and around should get me back in the game. I may or may not be flying kites tonight... we will see...
After this week, for sho. Meet you there
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Honestly, I am not a fan of this whole "there got to be scum off/on wagon" thingy. That is not a good style to scumread individiuals.
ALL OF THIS!
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I mean, swowl has a good post, I like a lot of what he said.
Yuma, what do you think of that post? WCD? LaLight?
Man. I just skimmed it... now I have to go carefully read the whole thing?
Fine.
I guess my first question is why ADK is in green? Did I completely miss that he is IC, cause I was pretty sure he was just strong town? But I could have totally missed that if I didn't see a post about it.
I like his analysis of the situation, but in some sense feel similarly about it the way I do about Calam's and my argument about using on/off wagons to try and determine who scum is. Maybe it is somewhat different as it analyzes using different interactions throughout the day instead of the final picture. And it is a data point, but I don't think it is the sole data point.
The third point I guess I don't completely see the "likely there is scum" between LL and e. I see them both more suspiciously but feel there isn't a connection between the two that correlates. Why is WCDs not in this bucket?
So overall, I like this thoughts about individuals, but don't know that I agree with the buckets he is making.
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My vote on e didn't garnish the reactions I had hoped it would. The game kinda paused time wise and some players weren't on at all (no judgement, I wasn't on either) immediately after that and it made reading the reactions harder.
Calam's response was the strongest, but was very null. Maybe L-1 doesn't have the importance it used to?
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Oh ADK claimed UB. I spaced that.
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Although space would have remembered that.... Sorry space!
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So I just reread mail-mi mostly to try and remember what I found scummy from him on Day1 and early Day2 and then noticed something.
At the time that mail-mi was getting a wagon built on him he did two things at the same time. Tunneled hard on e and softly defend Dylan until it wasn't convenient.
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I love how e is absent most of D1, comes in and immediately starts pushing away from Joseph (in fact inventing a new wagon to do so at a time when things were starting to consolidate a bit), hammers in a noncommittal tone for the sake of getting a lynch (which is NAI), then comes out D2 claiming psuedo-IC for the hammer and throwing shade at people who didn't like the D1 Joseph wagon without so much as a shred of acknowledgement that he did the same thing but was lucky enough to be online at the deadline in order to hammer and get himself on wagon.
Vote: e
I mean, obvious (and valid) points, I only take umbrage with the fact that I was lucky to be online at deadline.
In fact, had I been scum I could very well have been lucky enough to not be online.
There is the angle that I saw the inevitable and went for the town cred after an abysmal D1. And sure. I deserve that. But I will try to do better today.
Here's dylan's case, and I think it's stronger than people are making it out to be. I can also see e coming out of a taxing scum game (Falling Skies) and rolling scum again and not being super excited about it, which explains some of his lack of substance day 1.
Also, I think you were "lucky enough" to be online to take the hammer and get the towncred, as you say. You could have been lucky enough to be offline, but then someone else would almost definitely hammer, considering how close we were to deadline.
No, this case:
Let's compare the cases:
scum!e.case) e is basically absent D1 (4 posts prior to the day end burst of activity), has an RVS vote on mail-mi. When e does show up he doesn't like a Joseph lynch and creates an alternative wagon on WCD because he doesn't like the Joseph lynch. non-committal hammer on Joseph feels like a town-cred grab rather than actual townie vote.
scum!Dylan.case) Dylan is relatively active (25 posts on D1), and is consistently anti-Joseph lynch. RVS vote on LL (seems pretty townie) (and all votes do count, say what you want about RVS), creates a wagon on pasta (town), eventually unvotes and doesn't vote again until he jumps on the first pseudo-viable wagon (WCD)
Regarding the WCD wagon. Scum does not typically create a random wagon at the end of the day on someone they know will likely not get lynched (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840248#msg840248). Rather, scum jumps on an alternative wagon that they think could be potentially viable when they get the chance. Dylan had already unvoted pasta earlier in the day and may have felt that re-voting there would be too much of a flip-flop, so when WCD appeared as an option he jumped at the opportunity. Of course, Dylan does end up going back to scolapasta (because of this? (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20354.msg840253#msg840253)). And I end up hammering scum.
This Dylan case. RVS votes do matter, but eh not enough to sway one way or the other. I can also feel for Dylan because I too was townreading Joseph. So I think the case isn't bad, and he's probably my second or third preferred lynch, but also not the strongest case in the world.
At the time Dylan is voting e with mail-mi. So if mail-mi is scum it makes sense to softly buddy and white knight the other person voting with you.
A bit later I voted mail-mi with Calam and a couple others had expressed interest he is suddenly very much willing to vote for Dylan.
Of course to an extent this relies on the idea of e being town and not scum as I don't see the interaction between the two of them as scum. That just seems like something that wouldn't happen as scum, and I am not sure I think mail-mi is more scummy than e.
Need to think.
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Did some rereading of D2 in particular and I think that I'm ok with
vote: Dylan
This is L-1
I'm good with a Dylan lynch. I mean, from my perspective it's either him or Swowl (or both) and as of now I don't have a preference on either one.
Consider this an Intent to hammer to encourage a claim.
What about e?
I still have a scumread on e but he has to have a partner somewhere, and I'm 100% sure that the remaining 2 scum were not both on-wagon.
Also a 100% sure?
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or Calamitas.
This is ridiculous.
I love these posts.
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hell
I'm extremely frustrated. vote: Calamitas , I guess
What. This is insane.
Just getting better.
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OK. I reread myself into a vote: mail-mi. e from today actually read townier on the second read. Especially this post:
Well, my terrible D1 was followed by what I thought was a great D2 until the flip happened.
Vote: mail-mi
Case on me is basically the D1 hammer was a ruse and D2 was focused on a mislynch?
If you think I'm scum, you have to ask why I killed Space. it puts me in a 1v1 with Swowl and 9 times out of 10 I get lynched before swowl (which is a point for swowl's scumminess, I guess). There's no reasonable scum tactic there.
That was clever of you, wasn't it?
You think I am scum, you have to ask why I set myself up to be the #1 lynch option for today. There was no reason for me to goad you into the hammer. There was no reason for me to consistently and thoroughly build the case on Dylan after I saw it take off. I could take a break! Relax! My top two mislynch wagons (if mail-mi is town as he claims) were rolling along nicely.
No, I had just caught the tunnel vision because I got excited about a scum Lynch and thought I had solved the game! Hooray for me!
(Spoilers: I didn't)
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I mean, swowl has a good post, I like a lot of what he said.
Yuma, what do you think of that post? WCD? LaLight?
Man. I just skimmed it... now I have to go carefully read the whole thing?
The third point I guess I don't completely see the "likely there is scum" between LL and e. I see them both more suspiciously but feel there isn't a connection between the two that correlates. Why is WCDs not in this bucket?
So overall, I like this thoughts about individuals, but don't know that I agree with the buckets he is making.
don't... think.. I ever said likely skum "between LL and E"? MM and E yeah... do I have a typo somewhere? LL is in my pool 1, E is in my pool 2.
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Ok so you think E! is towny, why to you does that mean it is MM?
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unvote
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Phone posting is hard. But this is a quote from your ling post
" E and LL were on Dylan from the get go for literally the entire day. Day 2 specific read would be I think it is likely there is skum in those 2" in point 2
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Ok so you think E! is towny, why to you does that mean it is MM?
I combined my thoughts into that one post in an unclear way. Sorr.
My reread of mail-mi reminded me of my scumread on him from yesterday, added in impressions of his actions later day2 given Dylan's flip and what I saw from e earlier today read as more townie... more from the tone than content, so that is worth moving for.
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Did some rereading of D2 in particular and I think that I'm ok with
vote: Dylan
This is L-1
I'm good with a Dylan lynch. I mean, from my perspective it's either him or Swowl (or both) and as of now I don't have a preference on either one.
Consider this an Intent to hammer to encourage a claim.
What about e?
I still have a scumread on e but he has to have a partner somewhere, and I'm 100% sure that the remaining 2 scum were not both on-wagon.
Also a 100% sure?
At that point I was 100% sure. Then Dylan flipped town and Space was killed at night. Now I'm not 100% sure (and as you can see, I'm inclined to think that both scum were on wagon at this point.)
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So I just reread mail-mi mostly to try and remember what I found scummy from him on Day1 and early Day2 and then noticed something.
At the time that mail-mi was getting a wagon built on him he did two things at the same time. Tunneled hard on e and softly defend Dylan until it wasn't convenient.
At the time Dylan is voting e with mail-mi. So if mail-mi is scum it makes sense to softly buddy and white knight the other person voting with you.
A bit later I voted mail-mi with Calam and a couple others had expressed interest he is suddenly very much willing to vote for Dylan.
Of course to an extent this relies on the idea of e being town and not scum as I don't see the interaction between the two of them as scum. That just seems like something that wouldn't happen as scum, and I am not sure I think mail-mi is more scummy than e.
Need to think.
At the time I was scumreading e. (still am, in fact.) I was less convinced of dylan's scumminess than I was of e's scumminess. I never had a townread on dylan on D2, just not as strong of a scum read. And turns out, we should have stuck with e.
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Did some rereading of D2 in particular and I think that I'm ok with
vote: Dylan
This is L-1
I'm good with a Dylan lynch. I mean, from my perspective it's either him or Swowl (or both) and as of now I don't have a preference on either one.
Consider this an Intent to hammer to encourage a claim.
What about e?
I still have a scumread on e but he has to have a partner somewhere, and I'm 100% sure that the remaining 2 scum were not both on-wagon.
Also a 100% sure?
At that point I was 100% sure. Then Dylan flipped town and Space was killed at night. Now I'm not 100% sure (and as you can see, I'm inclined to think that both scum were on wagon at this point.)
Ok
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Ok. You do have scumreads on Dylan... see post below which I have a question about.
In reading back over the two posts where you talk about the case on Dylan you seem to be framing it as your case on e was better than the case on Dylan. Which, still isn't great, but isn't as deflective as I thought.
Granted, bussing D1 can happen, but it is not something that scum want to do. I think it was ashersky who mentioned once that they straight up don't bus scum D1 a while back. I am not hard line like that, but pretty close
If you recall, I also looked off wagon. I think there's one scum in [calamitas, 2.7, yuma] and one scum in [dylan, swowl, space]. Again, I can be convinced to vote elsewhere, but I haven't been yet.
My question here is what you think of swowl now that dylan and space are confirmed town?
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also unvote
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Ok. You do have scumreads on Dylan... see post below which I have a question about.
In reading back over the two posts where you talk about the case on Dylan you seem to be framing it as your case on e was better than the case on Dylan. Which, still isn't great, but isn't as deflective as I thought.
Granted, bussing D1 can happen, but it is not something that scum want to do. I think it was ashersky who mentioned once that they straight up don't bus scum D1 a while back. I am not hard line like that, but pretty close
If you recall, I also looked off wagon. I think there's one scum in [calamitas, 2.7, yuma] and one scum in [dylan, swowl, space]. Again, I can be convinced to vote elsewhere, but I haven't been yet.
My question here is what you think of swowl now that dylan and space are confirmed town?
I posted my thoughts about this earlier, but right now I think swowl is town, because of the off-wagon scum kill. Though I'm starting to doubt that because in scum!swowl's mind, 90% of the time he can still get me mislynched in a 1v1 with him and me. So I'm still leaning town, but probably still willing to lynch if it really comes down to it.
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Vote Count 3.2
2.71828..... (2): LaLight, mail-mi
mail-mi (2): 2.71828....., Calamitas
Not Voting (4): Swowl, WestCoastDidds, A Drowned Kernel, yuma
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am.
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Why did the speed of this go down so much. Why is e so silent given they are basically on the brink of being lynched?
Gonna go ahead and guess it had to do with the E! wagon getting run up so quickly.
Honestly, I am not a fan of this whole "there got to be scum off/on wagon" thingy. That is not a good style to scumread individiuals.
This is a fair point to an extent. You should not "skum read" individuals based on VCA. However, I will argue that "the on wagon off wagon thingy" WHEN WE ACTUALLY LYNCHED SKUM DAY 1... is kind of unarguably a good metric to use to attempt to create pools of potential team mates.
I think mail-mi hesitating to lynch Dylan is evidence of him being scum. If they were town they would have been a tad more eager to just lynch Dylan I think than if they knew of their towniness.
More importantly, they decided to go onto hammer the wagon that had E! on it, who is who they were pushing all day. Which is weird. and I get that.. but then see below...
I don't like e's play yesterday. As he said, he was in full tunnel vision but that might actually be because he and mail-mi are scum together or so and he had to fight really hard to get mail-mi over Dylan. I think I still prefer mail-mi over e in direct lynch comparision because
a) in the scenario where both are scum it doesn't matter
b) in the scenario where e is scum and mail-mi is town, e can be fine pushing less because it was clear one of them will be the target given what almost everyone stated
c) in the scenario where e is town and mail-mi is scum, his tunnel vision still makes sense
Thus, I put more probability mass on c) than on b).
Your ABCs here are like solid in thought. But you gotta ask yourself - If MM is skum, why would they kill Space? I know I have brought that up already, but I am actually asking you in regards to specifically your ABCs above here. Like regardless of whether or not you put merit into the one off one on concept, it was clearly stated to be the state of mind of a lot of players in the game. So...
a) They are both skum. Space is killed. Creates a pool of everyone's favorite choice [E!], a pool of [MailMi, Swan], and then then like [Calam, WCD, LL, Yuma]. This is the point I was kind of referring to in my previous post. This is actually possibly an explanation for the kill choice. They both go for one and other in hopes of giving mass town cred to the other.. I guess. But I mean there would be too many Town players alive for the survivor to avoid suspicion of being alive for the rest of the game... so it is a long shot.
b) E is skum, MM is Town. OK... I know I am town, and the kill choice then creates a field of MM/Swan (town, town), E (skum), and [WCD, Calam, LL, Yuma] (2 town, 1 skum). That is a pretty damn good spot for E to put them plus whoever from [WCD, Calam, LL, Yuma] is skum in.
*** "C" here is now it's own separate point I just came to while i was thinking out loud responding to this ***
c) I actually am slightly potentially changing my mind as I type this one up... MM skum, E Town. MM is then skum with one of [Calam, WCD, LL, Yuma]. Doesn't really make sense for them to isolate themselves into a pool with just me if they are skum... but, and this is what I just thought of right now... it could make sense if they come out with a sequence of let's say..
1) voting for Swowl
2) realizing that doesn't make sense, pointing out why, in attempts to remove both of us from selection
3) moving it to someone else, like E!.
That would make skum team MM+ one of [Calam, WCD, LL, Yuma]. So... plan would of been like... lynch E, kill within the second group, and set up for the long game 2v1. Does that parse?
I missed this while being wrapped up in doing the VCA. This could actually be a thing. Maybe.
I find it super hard to read your post I have to admit, the lines are so super long and I find it very hard to parse what you say, sorry.
I can respond to the "why kill Space"-thingy.
I don't think as much in terms of wagon analysis and I myself would never see an issue with mail-mi killing Space.
I mean, there is no fundamental reason why a scum should be off-wagon, that is not how this whole thing works.
I don't think of it in terms of different lynchpools but in terms of likelihoods of individual players and teams.
Killing someone off wagon and revealing them as town does not much but decrease the probability that scum was off wagon.
And Space is objectively one of the strongest players in the game and was strongly townread by most people and unlikely to be lynched.
I obviously cannot look in mail-mi's head and make estimates whether or not they would think along the same lines but I myself consider the Space kill quite good play by scum here.
And then add a bit of WIFOM to the mix and the fact that Dylan's and Space's lynch very much proved that serious town people can be reasonably assumed to be off-wagon which makes it just bad play to think that scum had to be off wagon. Those kind of unfounded assumptions don't get you an iota closer to finding scum.
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prod: LaLight
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I feel like we are talking in circles. More information gets added but it just muddies the water even more. I don’t feel any sense of clarity about any of it. Arghhhhhhhh.......
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prod: LaLight
here
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I feel like we are talking in circles. More information gets added but it just muddies the water even more. I don’t feel any sense of clarity about any of it. Arghhhhhhhh.......
yeah, exactly
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why is 2.7 not getting lynched? what are the alternatives? mail-mi and Swowl?
i don't know. i think it's 2.7 for sure and i will figure out who the second one is later
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I don’t feel like we are getting anywhere.
Vote: e
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vote: west?
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I forgot about Day1 west movement. So no, unvote: west but that is exactly the attitude scum would hide behind here.
Shrug shoulders and vote. But I don't think west is doing it. And in fairness I feel the same. I guess I kinda feel like I want to look away from mail-mi and 2.7 but a split between sunk cost fallacy and buyer fatigue is making both want to and not want to.
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Have we considered that someone like LaLight might have accidentally been on the joseph wagon.
Look at this:
LaLight's last post was #233. At that point Joseph had three votes (ADK, yuma, LaLight) and according to the vote count right above it there was still about 45 hours left in the Day1.
He doesn't post the rest of Day1. e's early hammer (along with all the on/off movement) might have forced him to keep his vote there and it was an accidental early bussing.
LaLight was very on and off with voting Joseph, but was more on than off early.
Can someone else look at this? I feel conspiracy theorist with this, but if it matches up with other behavior from LaLight (I think we have all had townier reads since he was so early on wagon, but has there been anything else?) then it may be something we are collectively ignoring.
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Day2 and Day3 have also been underwhelming in that the content leaves nothing to get a read from except voting dylan and 2.6 and that weird VT claim thing with dylan...
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Checking in.
It is my birthday today, been out of town. Will be back this evening.
Things i wanna quick respond to just so it is done -
Yuma - Ok. I found the day 2 blurb about LL (not Dylan). I also read the other response, and yes much clearer.
Calam - sorry i know reading my shit is difficult for some. That’s on me. You got the gist of it tho. I think you and i are just on a fundamental difference of opinion when it comes to wagon analysis (which is fine, each their own).
I will be caught up and back in it with like 48hrs left to DL! Sorry!
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I forgot about Day1 west movement. So no, unvote: west but that is exactly the attitude scum would hide behind here.
Shrug shoulders and vote. But I don't think west is doing it. And in fairness I feel the same. I guess I kinda feel like I want to look away from mail-mi and 2.7 but a split between sunk cost fallacy and buyer fatigue is making both want to and not want to.
I know. It’s a crappy attitude. It’s just.....pfffttt....you know. Not scummy, just lethargic.
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Happy birthday swowl!
I like what Yuma is thinking. A lalight reread is in order, when I have time.
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Happy birthday swowl!
I like what Yuma is thinking. A lalight reread is in order, when I have time.
Birthdays!
Lethargy!
Time!
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Happy birthday, Swowl!
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Have we considered that someone like LaLight might have accidentally been on the joseph wagon.
Look at this:
LaLight's last post was #233. At that point Joseph had three votes (ADK, yuma, LaLight) and according to the vote count right above it there was still about 45 hours left in the Day1.
He doesn't post the rest of Day1. e's early hammer (along with all the on/off movement) might have forced him to keep his vote there and it was an accidental early bussing.
LaLight was very on and off with voting Joseph, but was more on than off early.
Can someone else look at this? I feel conspiracy theorist with this, but if it matches up with other behavior from LaLight (I think we have all had townier reads since he was so early on wagon, but has there been anything else?) then it may be something we are collectively ignoring.
veeeery conspiracy theorist. although makes you slightly townier
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back.
almost nothing has changed, so because.. a) I am tried and b) nothing has changed...
Vote: E!
I am just gonna be completely honest on this - at this point until I see an E! flip I do not think there is anything that can happen (less I suppose a result confirmation or something) that will keep me from wanting to lynch E!. This is me thinking this after taking 2 days off and looking at everything again. There are other candidates I suppose, but to me E! is in there own bracket at this point the way the day as progressed.
That is L-2
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back.
almost nothing has changed, so because.. a) I am tried and b) nothing has changed...
Vote: E!
I am just gonna be completely honest on this - at this point until I see an E! flip I do not think there is anything that can happen (less I suppose a result confirmation or something) that will keep me from wanting to lynch E!. This is me thinking this after taking 2 days off and looking at everything again. There are other candidates I suppose, but to me E! is in there own bracket at this point the way the day as progressed.
That is L-2
*their own bracket*
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vote: LaLight
why is 2.7 not getting lynched? what are the alternatives? mail-mi and Swowl?
i don't know. i think it's 2.7 for sure and i will figure out who the second one is later
Let's try something new.
The only thing that LaLight has that is making them not a lynch choice is their positioning on the Joseph wagon. But let's actually look at that. (next post, seperating for clarity)
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Vote Count 1.5
Joseph2302 (3): A Drowned Kernel, yuma, LaLight
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....
scolapasta (2): mail-mi, Calamitas
A Drowned Kernel (1): Swowl
Calamitas (1): scolapasta
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
yuma (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, Dylan32
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends May 24, 2020, 06:00:00 am, which is in ~45.5 hours.
i think that scum actively ignores Joseph wagon, as it doesn't build as fast as it could have.
I'll return to vote: Joseph
I'll admit, that's an interesting point. Is there anyone who jumped on the scola wagon but has totally ignored the Joseph wagon? And I do mean ignored, not stood against it like llama, some bird, and me. Because you could have a point that if scum did jump on a big wagon like scola's quickly and without much support earlier, they might be a bit more hesitant to jump on the next wagon that builds, but they wouldn't want to vocally oppose it in order to keep the door open to join it later or hammer at EoD.
Further, if I happen to be right, it doesn't imply Joseph is scum. It just means scum didn't want to look too eager to jump from fast growing L-1 reaching wagon to the next fastest growing wagon, so voting Joseph doesn't necessarily follow from the idea of scum ignoring his wagon unless you think it's motivated more by avoiding a wagon on a partner than avoiding looking scummy.
exactly
This is LaLight's last post of D1. My theory is this: They got caught napping on their scum-buddy's wagon and then let the rest of D1 slide hoping that the lynch didn't happen.
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the two quoted posts are back to back
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i think that scum actively ignores Joseph wagon, as it doesn't build as fast as it could have.
I'll return to vote: Joseph
"Scum ignores the wagon"
"Let me vote on the wagon"
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Vote Count 3.3
2.71828..... (4): LaLight, mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (1): Calamitas
LaLight (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (2): A Drowned Kernel, yuma
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am. That is in less than 48 hours.
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why is 2.7 not getting lynched? what are the alternatives? mail-mi and Swowl?
i don't know. i think it's 2.7 for sure and i will figure out who the second one is later
hell
I'm extremely frustrated. vote: Calamitas , I guess
Or, you know, Calamitas is an alternative. You voted them quick enough to start the day but then all of a sudden I am THE ONLY OPTION other than mail-mi and swowl.
Why mail-mi and swowl? Do you no longer have your own reads or do you just go with what town players are thinking to buddy them?
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Let's review LaLight's Day 2:
definitely vote: Dylan
wanted to do this yesterday after weird flipflop on me, but Joseph was scummier, of course
vote: 2.7
your level of activity is fine, don't let my vote discourage you!
so, I haven't slept for 1,5 days and maybe my logic is flawed, but 2.7 was REALLY deliberate in his last posts. Like, scum deliberate. I mean when I am town, I write blurbs of somewhat meaningful information, when I am scum, I am super confident and make underlined bolded lists. i actually just imagined you doing it and thought, oh, thia guy is scum.
also, lists
also also the more i think about it, it just means you're a good player.
back to vote: Dylan
and, yeah SDAMA (Sleep Deprived Ask Me Anything)
The reasoning I based my thoughts around was exactly that I think he was expecting an off-wagon scumbuddy to come in and hammer, especially because he hinted at having been looking at who was watching the thread. Isn't that something that might be really quite plausible? I think Joseph is aware that scum likes coordinated quickhammers (albeit ignoring the fact that that's mostly at mylo etc!) and was trying to set something up so that one of his buddies could swoop in and hammer before any townies got cold feet. Yes, it's definitely sub-optimal play, as others have already pointed out, but it feels very much like the sort of scheme Joseph woudl try.
I mean, the theory sounds good but I am not sure you aren't overly cynical here. I mean, it would not be suboptimal but downright lunatic to pull something like that off with no need on D1.
But I mean, he refused to say who was online which has a pretty good reason in that theory...(in hindsight, we should have pressed him hard then and there)
@LaLight: Do you remember any game where Joseph did something on this order of craziness
not really
What do you all think about making Dylan and/or mail-mi claim?
@Space,ADK,LaLight in particular
I like both! But the best way to do this is getting either to L-1, so what are we waiting for
also a bit of foreshadowing: Dylan will claim VT.
I am trying to figure out why scola was killed. I think scum just killed on-wagon, because one of them is off wagon. Also other than Dylan, I would prefer mail-mi or Calamitas.
8 posts, opens up voting Dylan before I even show up and build my Amazing Case That Crashed and Burned When Dylan Flipped Town (ACTCBWDFT from here on out)
Then votes for me after ACTCBWDFT, then back to Dylan because.....because Dylan had an early day flip-flop on LaLight D1? Looking back, we know that was just town!Dylan trying to find scum. So, as bad as my case ended up being, LaLight makes no mention of it, no reason for the Dylan vote.
Then we have an answer to a question specifically addressed to them, along with a pro-claim post. And then "Dylan will claim VT" post. (Potentially because scum know the setup and we rolled a game with a bunch of VTs....but that is conspiracy theory stuff).
Then a random post about why scola was killed and then silence to let the Dylan lynch run its course.
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back.
almost nothing has changed, so because.. a) I am tried and b) nothing has changed...
Vote: E!
I am just gonna be completely honest on this - at this point until I see an E! flip I do not think there is anything that can happen (less I suppose a result confirmation or something) that will keep me from wanting to lynch E!. This is me thinking this after taking 2 days off and looking at everything again. There are other candidates I suppose, but to me E! is in there own bracket at this point the way the day as progressed.
That is L-2
Also, I think this is town!swowl with the L-1 thinking it was L-2
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And also, yeah. I agree with Swowl's sentiment that the wagon/case/etc on me is a very large distraction and that my flip could be very helpful for town.
That being said, we don't have a TON of wiggle room. Although we do have enough where lynching me isn't the end of the world
Right now - 8 alive with 2 scum
Lynch me/town NK - 6 alive 2 scum Mylo
No lynch (probably) - 5 alive 2 scum Lylo
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Don't get me wrong though....I am a huge proponent of just lynching scum over mislynching me.
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Also, I realized that I can't just tunnel mail-mi like I did Dylan. There is a partner out there.
Still think mail-mi is scum, but I do like my case on LaLight.
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So 4 on Joseph. Are we going to lynch him or do we need to go elsewhere?
I will be moving my vote elsewhere soon to someone pretty specific if it doesn't gain traction, and I think it should.
Mostly I feel like there are players that just haven't said anything about it. That makes me feel... tingly? But not in a good way. Or maybe I am just nervous about ano-lynch. But that turned out fine last game. Although i think that is the exception cause that game was thumpin weird.
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I much prefer Joseph over no-lynch. Right now my preference order is Scola > Joseph > Rest.
I will probably not be around before deadline, have to see. I think I will do vote: Joseph for now. Haven't read WCD so no preference there yet, noticed nothing in the normal flow of the game.
And that was a joke, so Unvote
I don't get it
The best jokes are the ones that need to be explained more. But actually, Joseph can do some crazy stuff, I don't think voting to L-1 here is a scum tell
Voting to L-1 isn't scummy but immediately unvoting and calling it a joke is
It is not scummy in the sense that Joseph is more likely to do that as scum than as town. Joseph does crazy (seeming?) stuff all-the-time
I don't think scum!joseph votes there because he really thinks the lynch could go through. He votes because he's hoping it makes him look towny (and if scola is his partner, it has a good chance of getting rid of his wagon). But his immediate unvote makes it look, to me, like he became concerned about the optics of the vote right after he placed it, which is a scum mindset
Well, that's at least a possible narrative. I think I thought the wording of the unvote was what people were talking about. I forget who but someone made the comment "Joseph's joke unvote" is scummier than "Unvote" would have been, and I think that's what I don't get.
If Joseph had said "on second thought, unvote, I don't want someone to derphammer" or "actually on second thought I don't think scola's scum, unvote" that would be one thing. But the saying that he was joking makes it seem like he feels like he concerned, not about whether he was voting for scum, but how people would view his vote
From my experience, trying to analyze what Joseph was thinking never leads to good results
Keeping my vote on Joseph, will assumably not be around until the deadline
This is just a super duper townie string of posts from Calamitas leading up to deadline. The vote here put Joseph at L-2 and really made it THE lynch of choice. Calamitas then defends the Joseph wagon as really about as good a D1 lynch as you could get. Weird random ideas were rejected (my little fling with a WCD Wagon existed at the time) for a vote to ensure that a lynch happened.
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Not going to quote Swowl because they have some really long block posts, but I think they are super townie
They were very much against the Joseph wagon, but all of their rationale was very townie I thought.
Also, to start D2 they basically make a choice between Dylan and mail-mi, and land on mail-mi. Yes, later Swowl goes and does vote for Dylan, but the initial gut reaction to start the day was mail-mi (who is of unconfirmed alignment). And if you look at the move to Dylan, it was not a move that kind of just flowed from ACTCBWDFT, but he basically talked himself into it.
Also, lots of good, long analysis posts and I am a sucker for those.
Bottom line: Lean town
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SCUM
mail-mi
LaLight
STILL NEED TO REREAD
yuma
WCD
LEAN TOWN
Swowl
Calamitas
TOWN
e, ADK
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this game is weirdely slow
We could lynch Joseph
Yes.
But you aren't voting for him...
Oh....
You are right.
vote: joseph
Alright, there is a distinct lack of yuma and e in this game.
Dudes, what's up?
I am here! I pointed out why joseph was actually scummy then everyone ran away from it. Including me. mail-mi shenanigans distracted me.
But otherwise I haven't been here. Work has been a bit. But that should be mostly over by Tuesday.
So this little exchange is interesting.
IF mail-mi is scum, I really don't see yuma as the third partner doing this.
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Alternative translation:
"Town, town, and town. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I am also interested in Town's thoughts"
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yeah, really think yuma is town. From the L-1 vote on Joseph to his D2 preference of either e/mail-mi over a now flipped town Dylan.
Just very town.
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Also, reread WCD. I think she is town as well.
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And that's a wrap! Game solved (this time for real)
LaLight and mail-mi are scum with Joseph.
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And....the long wait as people in US time zones wake up...
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why is 2.7 not getting lynched? what are the alternatives? mail-mi and Swowl?
i don't know. i think it's 2.7 for sure and i will figure out who the second one is later
hell
I'm extremely frustrated. vote: Calamitas , I guess
Or, you know, Calamitas is an alternative. You voted them quick enough to start the day but then all of a sudden I am THE ONLY OPTION other than mail-mi and swowl.
Why mail-mi and swowl? Do you no longer have your own reads or do you just go with what town players are thinking to buddy them?
not really all of a sudden, the day went on, you know.
mail-mi and swowl are the only two people other than you that I don't at least mildly townread
also, I think I wouldn't be very surprised if Calamitas is scum, he's amazing at that
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Alternative translation:
"Town, town, and town. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I am also interested in Town's thoughts"
this and your next post suggest that yuma knows alignments of players. why do you townread him?
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anyway, vote: mail-mi
i believe you (other than that I am scum, of course)
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Alternative translation:
"Town, town, and town. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I am also interested in Town's thoughts"
this and your next post suggest that yuma knows alignments of players. why do you townread him?
I am putting my reads into Yuma's post, not saying he knows alignments.
But I can see how it reads that way
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Alternative translation:
"Town, town, and town. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I am also interested in Town's thoughts"
this and your next post suggest that yuma knows alignments of players. why do you townread him?
I am putting my reads into Yuma's post, not saying he knows alignments.
But I can see how it reads that way
well, if you believe in your reads, shouldn't yuma be a bot suspicious for you?
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Alternative translation:
"Town, town, and town. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I am also interested in Town's thoughts"
this and your next post suggest that yuma knows alignments of players. why do you townread him?
I am putting my reads into Yuma's post, not saying he knows alignments.
But I can see how it reads that way
well, if you believe in your reads, shouldn't yuma be a bot suspicious for you?
Confirming because is looks like autocorrect or something got you: you are saying I should be suspicious of Yuma?
No, scum doesn't make a list of 4 people like that on D1 without including a partner.
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ADK, swowl and west. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I also am interested in Dylan's thoughts.
Alternative translation:
"Town, town, and town. You are my biggest town reads, who should we lynch?
I am also interested in Town's thoughts"
this and your next post suggest that yuma knows alignments of players. why do you townread him?
I am putting my reads into Yuma's post, not saying he knows alignments.
But I can see how it reads that way
well, if you believe in your reads, shouldn't yuma be a bit suspicious for you?
Confirming because is looks like autocorrect or something got you: you are saying I should be suspicious of Yuma?
No, scum doesn't make a list of 4 people like that on D1 without including a partner.
yeah, fixed it
ok then
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I don't know why I asked, I think at last, that you're town. I just realised that this is a classic case of me being unable to read you and assuming you're scum again and again. Also stalled game, get a lynch already!
Now I think more clearly. let's lynch mm
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if Calamitas is scum, it would be hard to lynch him without a result, unfortunately
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Vote: mail-mi
works for me
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I am very interested in the general lack of PRs we are seeing in flips.
We have at least 2 letters since we have the scum RB flip.
But no need for any claims at this point I think.a
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This is the wrong move, I am town. Look at my interactions D1 with Joseph, then look at my last 3 scum games D1 with my partners. I don't defend my partners so actively like that, it's basically suicide (As can be seen from the constant wagons on me).
More responses in a minute.
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I am struggling to stay active in this game. But mail-mi and e lynches are both fine by me, so
vote: mail-mi
That is L-1 I believe
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why is 2.7 not getting lynched? what are the alternatives? mail-mi and Swowl?
i don't know. i think it's 2.7 for sure and i will figure out who the second one is later
see my previous post for why specially mail-mi over e in my opinion. Why do you think e for sure?
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*sigh* I am a VT. My lynch isn't the worst ever, but it's also a bad idea and we'll go to mylo.
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*sigh* I am a VT. My lynch isn't the worst ever, but it's also a bad idea and we'll go to mylo.
I assume you think I am scum with.....?
What do you think of LaLight?
What do you think of my posts that demonstrate why I think calamitas and swowl are town?
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*sigh* I am a VT. My lynch isn't the worst ever, but it's also a bad idea and we'll go to mylo.
I assume you think I am scum with.....?
What do you think of LaLight?
What do you think of my posts that demonstrate why I think calamitas and swowl are town?
reply #709 and #710. Curious about your thoughts on those two posts especially
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*sigh* I am a VT. My lynch isn't the worst ever, but it's also a bad idea and we'll go to mylo.
I assume you think I am scum with.....?
What do you think of LaLight?
What do you think of my posts that demonstrate why I think calamitas and swowl are town?
I was getting to that.
I already thought Swowl was town, so I agree with you there. I'm also more suspicious of LaLight, considering they've just kinda skirted along this game until you and yuma started pointing out their scumminess. They're probably your partner. I'd have to look over again what you wrote about Calamitas.
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This is just a super duper townie string of posts from Calamitas leading up to deadline. The vote here put Joseph at L-2 and really made it THE lynch of choice. Calamitas then defends the Joseph wagon as really about as good a D1 lynch as you could get. Weird random ideas were rejected (my little fling with a WCD Wagon existed at the time) for a vote to ensure that a lynch happened.
I think I agree. I haven't actually reread D1 yet, I was mostly scumreading Calamitas due to his position on-wagon. If I recall correctly, the scola wagon was still a viable choice at the time, so moving to Joseph was basically the lynchpin, as you say.
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why is 2.7 not getting lynched? what are the alternatives? mail-mi and Swowl?
i don't know. i think it's 2.7 for sure and i will figure out who the second one is later
see my previous post for why specially mail-mi over e in my opinion. Why do you think e for sure?
replied without reading the last two pages
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I am confused about e. Look how they attacked me at the beginning of D2 and still had me as slightly scummy after my defense. Their townread in the page before doesn’t use any new information (not saying there isn’t new stuff that is town!me indicative, just saying they didn’t use it)
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I still think e is our best choice of lynch for today.
I sorta forgot Didds was in this game, though that's pretty hard to do normally. So that makes me lean toward scummy on her, but I don't think scum!e tries to divert a wagon from his partner to his other partner on D1. So if e is town, didds is probably scum, and vice versa.
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I am confused about e. Look how they attacked me at the beginning of D2 and still had me as slightly scummy after my defense. Their townread in the page before doesn’t use any new information (not saying there isn’t new stuff that is town!me indicative, just saying they didn’t use it)
The attack on you D2 was pure gut reactionary to a singular post disregarding the whole game.
I have since rejected that knee-jerk read
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The continued slightly scummy was just me not having fully read you and coloring my read based on my knee-jerk reaction
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Rereading LaLight now.
I see e's point on LaLight's position on the Joseph wagon. Placed there before it became the lynch of the day, either didn't get online before it became THE lynch or didn't want to unvote because that would be hecka scummy. So definite scumpoints there.
I'm mostly just confused by LaLight saying Dylan will claim VT. Is it because he is scum and knows that we don't have very many power roles? Is it for some other reason? I don't know, but I think I'm leaning with slightly scummier.
Then today LaLight stops voting for e after e proclaims a scumread on them and votes for me. I'm not sure if this is a partner interaction, but if e is town I can see LaLight trying to buddy up to him to dissuade his scumread. I guess I could also see it as a partner interaction as well.
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Rereading LaLight now.
I see e's point on LaLight's position on the Joseph wagon. Placed there before it became the lynch of the day, either didn't get online before it became THE lynch or didn't want to unvote because that would be hecka scummy. So definite scumpoints there.
I'm mostly just confused by LaLight saying Dylan will claim VT. Is it because he is scum and knows that we don't have very many power roles? Is it for some other reason? I don't know, but I think I'm leaning with slightly scummier.
Then today LaLight stops voting for e after e proclaims a scumread on them and votes for me. I'm not sure if this is a partner interaction, but if e is town I can see LaLight trying to buddy up to him to dissuade his scumread. I guess I could also see it as a partner interaction as well.
Conclusions from my read: I am willing to lynch LaLight today. I think they could be partners with e or with WCD. Or with yuma, I suppose. So I guess here's a lynch preference list:
Prefer to lynch: e, LaLight
Would be willing to lynch: yuma, Calamitas, WCD
Don't want to lynch but will if I have to: Swowl
Won't lynch: me, ADK.
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Rereading LaLight now.
I see e's point on LaLight's position on the Joseph wagon. Placed there before it became the lynch of the day, either didn't get online before it became THE lynch or didn't want to unvote because that would be hecka scummy. So definite scumpoints there.
I'm mostly just confused by LaLight saying Dylan will claim VT. Is it because he is scum and knows that we don't have very many power roles? Is it for some other reason? I don't know, but I think I'm leaning with slightly scummier.
Then today LaLight stops voting for e after e proclaims a scumread on them and votes for me. I'm not sure if this is a partner interaction, but if e is town I can see LaLight trying to buddy up to him to dissuade his scumread. I guess I could also see it as a partner interaction as well.
Conclusions from my read: I am willing to lynch LaLight today. I think they could be partners with e or with WCD. Or with yuma, I suppose. So I guess here's a lynch preference list:
Prefer to lynch: e, LaLight
Would be willing to lynch: yuma, Calamitas, WCD
Don't want to lynch but will if I have to: Swowl
Won't lynch: me, ADK.
So, if we Lynch LaLight and they flip scum, you still think I am scum?
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Rereading LaLight now.
I see e's point on LaLight's position on the Joseph wagon. Placed there before it became the lynch of the day, either didn't get online before it became THE lynch or didn't want to unvote because that would be hecka scummy. So definite scumpoints there.
I'm mostly just confused by LaLight saying Dylan will claim VT. Is it because he is scum and knows that we don't have very many power roles? Is it for some other reason? I don't know, but I think I'm leaning with slightly scummier.
Then today LaLight stops voting for e after e proclaims a scumread on them and votes for me. I'm not sure if this is a partner interaction, but if e is town I can see LaLight trying to buddy up to him to dissuade his scumread. I guess I could also see it as a partner interaction as well.
Conclusions from my read: I am willing to lynch LaLight today. I think they could be partners with e or with WCD. Or with yuma, I suppose. So I guess here's a lynch preference list:
Prefer to lynch: e, LaLight
Would be willing to lynch: yuma, Calamitas, WCD
Don't want to lynch but will if I have to: Swowl
Won't lynch: me, ADK.
So, if we Lynch LaLight and they flip scum, you still think I am scum?
I would still have a scumread on you, but not as strongly as I do now.
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LaLight, please state your intention with the "will claim VT"
Mail-mi: Do you have a possible narrative why scum!e continues to push Dylan? I need to read that section, just realized my source for that is e themselves. Because scum!e should have tried to let go a bit, make me convince everyone to switch to you and then either me or Dylan is next in line.
PPE: 2
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Rereading LaLight now.
I see e's point on LaLight's position on the Joseph wagon. Placed there before it became the lynch of the day, either didn't get online before it became THE lynch or didn't want to unvote because that would be hecka scummy. So definite scumpoints there.
I'm mostly just confused by LaLight saying Dylan will claim VT. Is it because he is scum and knows that we don't have very many power roles? Is it for some other reason? I don't know, but I think I'm leaning with slightly scummier.
Then today LaLight stops voting for e after e proclaims a scumread on them and votes for me. I'm not sure if this is a partner interaction, but if e is town I can see LaLight trying to buddy up to him to dissuade his scumread. I guess I could also see it as a partner interaction as well.
Conclusions from my read: I am willing to lynch LaLight today. I think they could be partners with e or with WCD. Or with yuma, I suppose. So I guess here's a lynch preference list:
Prefer to lynch: e, LaLight
Would be willing to lynch: yuma, Calamitas, WCD
Don't want to lynch but will if I have to: Swowl
Won't lynch: me, ADK.
So, if we Lynch LaLight and they flip scum, you still think I am scum?
I would still have a scumread on you, but not as strongly as I do now.
Let me clarify: I would want to look much more closely at WCD and yuma because I think they are equally (if not more) likely to be partners with lalight.
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LaLight, please state your intention with the "will claim VT"
Mail-mi: Do you have a possible narrative why scum!e continues to push Dylan? I need to read that section, just realized my source for that is e themselves. Because scum!e should have tried to let go a bit, make me convince everyone to switch to you and then either me or Dylan is next in line.
PPE: 2
I mean, after dylan is lynched I am next in line, and scum!e can also divert to lalight (as seen here) or yuma or whathaveyou.
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
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LaLight, please state your intention with the "will claim VT"
Mail-mi: Do you have a possible narrative why scum!e continues to push Dylan? I need to read that section, just realized my source for that is e themselves. Because scum!e should have tried to let go a bit, make me convince everyone to switch to you and then either me or Dylan is next in line.
PPE: 2
because I was sure he's scum and scum claims vt in that position
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so, I see just a lot of shade on me. good job.
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I would never bus early in the day. i always hammer my partners or bus them when I can get the most townpoints, which obviously isn't the case here, as you correctly noticed
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so, I see just a lot of shade on me. good job.
From me? I don't intend to cast shade on you, more of a spotlight on why I think you are scum
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
Assume we Lynch me and I flip town. Who is scum then?
Finishing up cooking dinner (then eat, etc), but I will explore the same concept with you later tonight
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I still think e is our best choice of lynch for today.
I sorta forgot Didds was in this game, though that's pretty hard to do normally. So that makes me lean toward scummy on her, but I don't think scum!e tries to divert a wagon from his partner to his other partner on D1. So if e is town, didds is probably scum, and vice versa.
I know, right? I am in no way memorable, which hurts my heart. My adjectives are lackluster and lethargic...both of which are completely counter to how I want to be in games and in the world. I was SO FREAKING ENERGIZED when Joseph flipped red, but since then, we have lagged and stalled and lynched town and lagged and stalled. Blah. My lack of energy is not for lack of interest, its just that stalls wear me down and we don't have any result on anything and the VCA only goes so far. So, I am voting for e. His flip will at least tell us something. I am not opposed to you or LaLight, but I am not sure it is as interesting. Then maybe tomorrow something new happens or we can learn something new or SOMETHING.
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I still think e is our best choice of lynch for today.
I sorta forgot Didds was in this game, though that's pretty hard to do normally. So that makes me lean toward scummy on her, but I don't think scum!e tries to divert a wagon from his partner to his other partner on D1. So if e is town, didds is probably scum, and vice versa.
I know, right? I am in no way memorable, which hurts my heart. My adjectives are lackluster and lethargic...both of which are completely counter to how I want to be in games and in the world. I was SO FREAKING ENERGIZED when Joseph flipped red, but since then, we have lagged and stalled and lynched town and lagged and stalled. Blah. My lack of energy is not for lack of interest, its just that stalls wear me down and we don't have any result on anything and the VCA only goes so far. So, I am voting for e. His flip will at least tell us something. I am not opposed to you or LaLight, but I am not sure it is as interesting. Then maybe tomorrow something new happens or we can learn something new or SOMETHING.
Maybe pointed questions will stimulate activity.
Have you considered who the third alleged scum is?
How is my lynch more informative than a mail-mi Lynch? Or a LaLight lynch?
Do you have anyone other than ADK in a super duper strong town category?
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
Assume we Lynch me and I flip town. Who is scum then?
Finishing up cooking dinner (then eat, etc), but I will explore the same concept with you later tonight
Ok, I didn't do this and it is too late at night for me to think critically about things.
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
Assume we Lynch me and I flip town. Who is scum then?
I think if you're town, the most likely pairing is WCD and LaLight. They're the two scummiest after you, I think.
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I still think e is our best choice of lynch for today.
I sorta forgot Didds was in this game, though that's pretty hard to do normally. So that makes me lean toward scummy on her, but I don't think scum!e tries to divert a wagon from his partner to his other partner on D1. So if e is town, didds is probably scum, and vice versa.
I know, right? I am in no way memorable, which hurts my heart. My adjectives are lackluster and lethargic...both of which are completely counter to how I want to be in games and in the world. I was SO FREAKING ENERGIZED when Joseph flipped red, but since then, we have lagged and stalled and lynched town and lagged and stalled. Blah. My lack of energy is not for lack of interest, its just that stalls wear me down and we don't have any result on anything and the VCA only goes so far. So, I am voting for e. His flip will at least tell us something. I am not opposed to you or LaLight, but I am not sure it is as interesting. Then maybe tomorrow something new happens or we can learn something new or SOMETHING.
Maybe pointed questions will stimulate activity.
Have you considered who the third alleged scum is?
How is my lynch more informative than a mail-mi Lynch? Or a LaLight lynch?
Do you have anyone other than ADK in a super duper strong town category?
A LaLight lynch is definitely less informative than you. mail-mi or you I am not sure
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back.
almost nothing has changed, so because.. a) I am tried and b) nothing has changed...
Vote: E!
I am just gonna be completely honest on this - at this point until I see an E! flip I do not think there is anything that can happen (less I suppose a result confirmation or something) that will keep me from wanting to lynch E!. This is me thinking this after taking 2 days off and looking at everything again. There are other candidates I suppose, but to me E! is in there own bracket at this point the way the day as progressed.
That is L-2
Also, I think this is town!swowl with the L-1 thinking it was L-2
It was late and I was tired. My apologies, I even checked before I stated L2 and still thought it was L2. That is on me.
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
I would like an explaination on how Joeseph/E/Calam specifically falls where it does, and also why it is grouped with Yuma. I get Yuma being where they are... but by the thought process you seem to be following here Calam should either fall wayyy down on the list or wayy up on the list. What am I missing?
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
I would like an explaination on how Joeseph/E/Calam specifically falls where it does, and also why it is grouped with Yuma. I get Yuma being where they are... but by the thought process you seem to be following here Calam should either fall wayyy down on the list or wayy up on the list. What am I missing?
I think Calamitas is likely town. More likely town than anyone else on-wagon except ADK at this point. The points e brought up are very valid points (even if e is scum).
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I still think e is our best choice of lynch for today.
I sorta forgot Didds was in this game, though that's pretty hard to do normally. So that makes me lean toward scummy on her, but I don't think scum!e tries to divert a wagon from his partner to his other partner on D1. So if e is town, didds is probably scum, and vice versa.
I know, right? I am in no way memorable, which hurts my heart. My adjectives are lackluster and lethargic...both of which are completely counter to how I want to be in games and in the world. I was SO FREAKING ENERGIZED when Joseph flipped red, but since then, we have lagged and stalled and lynched town and lagged and stalled. Blah. My lack of energy is not for lack of interest, its just that stalls wear me down and we don't have any result on anything and the VCA only goes so far. So, I am voting for e. His flip will at least tell us something. I am not opposed to you or LaLight, but I am not sure it is as interesting. Then maybe tomorrow something new happens or we can learn something new or SOMETHING.
oh homie... this is a skummy post.
The bolded is you just saying you will vote for your current vote, the other candidate, and the only other person people are talking about.
Like if you believe that, that is fine. But why in the world would you publicly post it right now? That is the defn of helping skum move around as needed for the remainder of the day...
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
I would like an explaination on how Joeseph/E/Calam specifically falls where it does, and also why it is grouped with Yuma. I get Yuma being where they are... but by the thought process you seem to be following here Calam should either fall wayyy down on the list or wayy up on the list. What am I missing?
I think Calamitas is likely town. More likely town than anyone else on-wagon except ADK at this point. The points e brought up are very valid points (even if e is scum).
OK, how does yuma fall into that tier?
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
I would like an explaination on how Joeseph/E/Calam specifically falls where it does, and also why it is grouped with Yuma. I get Yuma being where they are... but by the thought process you seem to be following here Calam should either fall wayyy down on the list or wayy up on the list. What am I missing?
I think Calamitas is likely town. More likely town than anyone else on-wagon except ADK at this point. The points e brought up are very valid points (even if e is scum).
OK, how does yuma fall into that tier?
The quick 1-2 punch at the end of D1 is hard to believe if they're both joseph's partners. Could they have done it? Yeah, sure, but that's why they're in the same tier as Calamitas.
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
I would like an explaination on how Joeseph/E/Calam specifically falls where it does, and also why it is grouped with Yuma. I get Yuma being where they are... but by the thought process you seem to be following here Calam should either fall wayyy down on the list or wayy up on the list. What am I missing?
I think Calamitas is likely town. More likely town than anyone else on-wagon except ADK at this point. The points e brought up are very valid points (even if e is scum).
OK, how does yuma fall into that tier?
The quick 1-2 punch at the end of D1 is hard to believe if they're both joseph's partners. Could they have done it? Yeah, sure, but that's why they're in the same tier as Calamitas.
OK - one more - you say the points E brought up are good one's even if E is skum. You do in fact think E is skum?
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Bottom line what I am trying to get at with mail-mi: your scum pairings don't add up.
Joseph/e/X pairings just don't work.
In fact, most pairings don't work. Joseph/mail-mi/LaLight does work
False.
Joseph/e/LaLight works just fine. The only thing you've done to dissuade that is your scumread on lalight today, which doesn't absolve that pairing at all, since you haven't backed it up with a vote.
Joseph/e/Swowl would work, though I'm not scumreading swowl.
Joseph/e/Calamitas and Joseph/e/yuma aren't as likely as the first, but still possible.
Joseph/e/WCD is the only one I see as impossible.
I would like an explaination on how Joeseph/E/Calam specifically falls where it does, and also why it is grouped with Yuma. I get Yuma being where they are... but by the thought process you seem to be following here Calam should either fall wayyy down on the list or wayy up on the list. What am I missing?
I think Calamitas is likely town. More likely town than anyone else on-wagon except ADK at this point. The points e brought up are very valid points (even if e is scum).
OK, how does yuma fall into that tier?
The quick 1-2 punch at the end of D1 is hard to believe if they're both joseph's partners. Could they have done it? Yeah, sure, but that's why they're in the same tier as Calamitas.
OK - one more - you say the points E brought up are good one's even if E is skum. You do in fact think E is skum?
My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.
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I still think e is our best choice of lynch for today.
I sorta forgot Didds was in this game, though that's pretty hard to do normally. So that makes me lean toward scummy on her, but I don't think scum!e tries to divert a wagon from his partner to his other partner on D1. So if e is town, didds is probably scum, and vice versa.
I know, right? I am in no way memorable, which hurts my heart. My adjectives are lackluster and lethargic...both of which are completely counter to how I want to be in games and in the world. I was SO FREAKING ENERGIZED when Joseph flipped red, but since then, we have lagged and stalled and lynched town and lagged and stalled. Blah. My lack of energy is not for lack of interest, its just that stalls wear me down and we don't have any result on anything and the VCA only goes so far. So, I am voting for e. His flip will at least tell us something. I am not opposed to you or LaLight, but I am not sure it is as interesting. Then maybe tomorrow something new happens or we can learn something new or SOMETHING.
oh homie... this is a skummy post.
The bolded is you just saying you will vote for your current vote, the other candidate, and the only other person people are talking about.
Like if you believe that, that is fine. But why in the world would you publicly post it right now? That is the defn of helping skum move around as needed for the remainder of the day...
oooof. Because I didn't think about it. I'll blame summer school brain, or quarantine brain, or just the general sense of being beat down I feel in this game. Also, I am sometimes not at smart.
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Have we considered that someone like LaLight might have accidentally been on the joseph wagon.
Look at this:
LaLight's last post was #233. At that point Joseph had three votes (ADK, yuma, LaLight) and according to the vote count right above it there was still about 45 hours left in the Day1.
He doesn't post the rest of Day1. e's early hammer (along with all the on/off movement) might have forced him to keep his vote there and it was an accidental early bussing.
LaLight was very on and off with voting Joseph, but was more on than off early.
Can someone else look at this? I feel conspiracy theorist with this, but if it matches up with other behavior from LaLight (I think we have all had townier reads since he was so early on wagon, but has there been anything else?) then it may be something we are collectively ignoring.
veeeery conspiracy theorist. although makes you slightly townier
What exactly makes it very conspiracy theory. I think it is quite plausible. The timeline works. You haven't really given us a reason to town read you aside from this...
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Maybe pointed questions will stimulate activity.
Have you considered who the third alleged scum is?
How is my lynch more informative than a mail-mi Lynch? Or a LaLight lynch?
Do you have anyone other than ADK in a super duper strong town category?
Good idea! But I don't have time right now to work on my groupings. I'll circle back to that.
My super duper town friends are ADK and Swowl.
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At the very least 2.7 is urging others to do townie things. And others are doing those things. So there is that.
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I prefer LaLight over 2.7 at this point. Not sure about mail-mi
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My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.
Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.
Or, you are just scum hedging.
Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.
If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.
If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.
If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.
But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi
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My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.
Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.
Or, you are just scum hedging.
Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.
If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.
If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.
If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.
But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi
So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?
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My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.
Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.
Or, you are just scum hedging.
Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.
If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.
If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.
If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.
But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi
So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?
that reads horribly. "when" in this context was responding to the scenario presented.
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ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.
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At the very least 2.7 is urging others to do townie things. And others are doing those things. So there is that.
OFC they are! That means nothing! Town or skum on the block that is what you do in their spot
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Vote Count 3.4
2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (4): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): yuma
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am. That is in 25 hours.
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My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.
Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.
Or, you are just scum hedging.
Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.
If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.
If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.
If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.
But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi
So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?
No, by all means, Lynch me. We just lose.
I drove a mislynch on Dylan. This would be me driving another alleged mislynch. I recognize (after the fact) mistakes I would have made.
But it would be fun if I were actually right
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ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.
"Case" being that you just want the information of my flip.
If mail-mi were to get lynched and flip red and I survive the night, would that change your perspective or would you still want to lynch me?
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My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.
Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.
Or, you are just scum hedging.
Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.
If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.
If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.
If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.
But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi
So when we lynch MM, if they were to flip town, we should not lynch you because "that was the skum plan"?
No, by all means, Lynch me. We just lose.
I drove a mislynch on Dylan. This would be me driving another alleged mislynch. I recognize (after the fact) mistakes I would have made.
But it would be fun if I were actually right
I do not hold your mislynches against you fwiw - I pushed for no!Joseph on Day 1 and then got right on Dylan Day 2, so I can't hold that against you.
OK so in the world where you are town, pretend for a moment that MM is town. So you are both town. So no teams allowed that include yourself of MM. Where is skum at?
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ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.
"Case" being that you just want the information of my flip.
If mail-mi were to get lynched and flip red and I survive the night, would that change your perspective or would you still want to lynch me?
As stated previously, you would still be suspect. However, I admit it would move you down the list. I would have to think about where on the list it put you. But honestly, that is not here, it is there. And here, I think you are more likely to flip red than MM is.
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I am off. I will be around all the way up to DL starting tomorrow (like 2PM forum time).
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OK so in the world where you are town, pretend for a moment that MM is town. So you are both town. So no teams allowed that include yourself of MM. Where is skum at?
This means there are two scum in:
Swowl
ADK
WCD
Yuma
LaLight
Calamitas
I take ADK off the table right away. Unchallenged UB claim is IC. Even if converted to a restless spirit the UB is not notified of that, so they still think they are the UB until proven otherwise.
Which leaves us with two scum in:
Swowl
Yuma
Calamitas
WCD
LaLight
- Calamitas has had their name thrown around as scum a lot, but nothing has really stuck. Scum partner protecting? Or just when people look at their whole game they read town? I fall in the second category. There were a few knee-jerk things that made me think scum, but their whole game has been town. In a large amount of posts, something will hit you the wrong way. Bound to happen. But looking past that, I think there game points to very strong town, especially the integral part in lynching Joseph.
- WCD has not had her best game, but I don't think that implies scum. Her most recent post that attracted criticism I think kind of sums up her game: she is either "lazy" (for lack of a better word) town, or lurking scum. She has had a few posts with an AtE element (see D1 reaction), and really the decision is if it was faked or real. Could go either way, coin flip. 1 is scum, 2 is town. Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2
Yuma - bursts of energy in posting, then silence. Different question than WCD here - are those bursts town trying to catch up, or scum trying to appear "helpful." Again, flip a coin Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2
LaLight is the only one that I went through earlier and landed on as scum. You can see the case above. If I take out mail-mi, I think PoE even more than before lands me on scum!LaLight
Swowl - when I did my reread earlier I landed town here. I will keep it there. Reference reply #710
So if mail-mi isn't scum, I think it is likely LaLight, {Yuma, WCD} as scum.
The choice between Yuma and WCD should be put off until more flips + claims happen.
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And it looks like Yuma and WCD both rolled town, so mail-mi it is.
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My past 100% certainty is now at, like, 85% certainty. I still think he's the best lynch for today.
Yeah, spin yourself in circles and you can convince yourself of anything.
Or, you are just scum hedging.
Really, what it comes down to is this: if both mail-mi and I are town, town is lost.
If we lynch mail-mi and he flips green, I fully expect to get lynched, and town loses.
If you lynch me I will flip green, then mail-mi is very much on the chopping block.
If scum has maneuvered us into this position, well done. GG.
But I don't think so. Let's lynch mail-mi
there is somthing you didn't think about, though
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we can get results
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that's why I would gladly lynch mail-mi and then wait. also, if nothing happens, I would like to lynch Calamitas next
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Vote Count 3.4
2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (4): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): yuma
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am. That is in 25 hours.
This deadline is in the middle of the night for most people I believe.
Yuma, where do you think you will land?
Mail-mi, Didds, Swowl - any movement anticipated?
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ADK - why MM over E? I have no more case to make I am just asking.
Just gut read at this point. Although e may have just townslipped
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Vote Count 3.4
2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (4): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel
Not Voting (1): yuma
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 10, 2020, 03:30:00 am. That is in 25 hours.
This deadline is in the middle of the night for most people I believe.
Yuma, where do you think you will land?
Mail-mi, Didds, Swowl - any movement anticipated?
100% willing to move, especially if it’s to follow ADK.
I’m about to teach for 4 hours and then I can focus a bit more on where we are at.
xoxo
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I was ready to vote: mail-mi last night but there were some ongoing discussions. Those look mostly finished.
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Ash would be so disappointed I waited as long as I did.
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Like, if mail-mi is actually town I see no reason why he didn't just hammer.
Why didn't you change then and their? That was bad play.
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Day 3 Final Vote Count
2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (5): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, yuma
Not Voting (0)
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts at least until June 09, 2020, 10:00:00 pm.
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I was ready to vote: mail-mi last night but there were some ongoing discussions. Those look mostly finished.
I'm vanilla town, y'all.
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No way that I as scum do like any of the things I did this game.
Sigh
Good luck, lynch the scum.
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Just saying, if mail-mi flips red: don't let e off the hook if I am targeted tonight.
I think it's very much plausible that both of them are scum together.
e is one of the key reasons why I didn't get through at D2 with mail-mi over Dylan and scum putting each other into 1vs.1 is very much not unheard of in such a situation.
My argument for LaLight's townyness I made somewhere in here still stands though it is based on meta and quite unfounded.
As I said, he said in personal communication in a general way that right now he struggles to play town and is super confident as scum and stuff.
This game seems to resemble the former style, though that includes a lot of WIFOM.
Aside from that, I don't think the cases on him are as strong as they are made to be, they are rather a "we maybe should not townread him for being off wagon" but not a reason to make him actually more likely to be scum compared to others (unless I have missed something).
Regarding swowl I had a weird hunch regarding their interaction with mail-mi during play, check for that – maybe you'll see it also, maybe it was weird by me.
Also note that e pushed mail-mi at the middle of D2 less than I thought and he claimed. The only thing that stands out is the probing of mail-mi, besides that he was quiet. This weakens my previous argument why scum!e & town!mail-mi is unlikely.
(Btw, I am fully aware that the last paragraph will be perceived as hedgy tomorrow in the weird world where mail-mi is town.
I am still making the point because I think it is important for it to be made. But in that weird world, if you want to scumread me for it you need to find a deeper and more interesting motive than just me being hedgy out of fear to look like I have pushed mail-mi to hard)
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Not a weird world, I am greentext.
Also, no way I as scum don't claim a PR there
Ugh
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I have to wait for tomorrow morning for a flip?
I don't trust anything said in twilight in a game with potential governors.
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I have to wait for tomorrow morning for a flip?
I don't trust anything said in twilight in a game with potential governors.
Obviously y'all shouldn't trust me yet, and you also shouldn't waste governor shots on a VT.
but y'all were wrong wrong wrong.
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Not a weird world, I am greentext.
Also, no way I as scum don't claim a PR there
Ugh
bleh. yeah I tried to point that out. not well enough I guess.
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assuming you are town - sorry and gg.
I mean if you are skum, then gg anyways ofc... but not sorry
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Yams, who are your scum reads? Anything else we should pay attention to?
I'm super disappointed you got lynched. I just finished my class and was coming to reread and KICK ASS and it was already over. Asskicking delayed.
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e is scum. LaLight is probably scum. WCD is 3rd most likely after that. Yuma/Swowl probably right below that, and Calamitas is most townie.
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e is scum. LaLight is probably scum. WCD is 3rd most likely after that. Yuma/Swowl probably right below that, and Calamitas is most townie.
See, we actually have a lot in common here, probably should have dropped the you vs. me and lynched LaLight.
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But let's see what tomorrow brings
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e is scum. LaLight is probably scum. WCD is 3rd most likely after that. Yuma/Swowl probably right below that, and Calamitas is most townie.
See, we actually have a lot in common here, probably should have dropped the you vs. me and lynched LaLight.
I was gonna suggest that this morning, but y'all lynched me in my sleep.
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I was ready to vote: mail-mi last night but there were some ongoing discussions. Those look mostly finished.
4pm - 8 hours....I guess 8am isn't sleeping in THAT late. I guess not everyone gets up by 6:30 every morning
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e is scum. LaLight is probably scum. WCD is 3rd most likely after that. Yuma/Swowl probably right below that, and Calamitas is most townie.
See, we actually have a lot in common here, probably should have dropped the you vs. me and lynched LaLight.
I was gonna suggest that this morning, but y'all lynched me in my sleep.
That is the worst! LL lynched me when I was at the dentist one time, and it still stings.
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Twilight is the worst. I have a personal rule not to post in twilight, doesn't help anything.
But what rule doesn't have exceptions?
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Especially when you know you'll be asleep for the flip!
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So, thought #1
We did not roll a bunch of PRs. Scum know this because while y don't know the setup, they know +/-1 how many T rolls we got. This makes LaLight's comment about claiming VT very suspicious.
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Thought #2
Yuma is a knee-jerk scum read if (when?) mail-mi flips town. Lynching Joseph D1 for cred (why do I get scum read for this but not Yuma?), not a ton of great content, and then the comment about "ready to lynch but wanted to give town time to talk it out" doesn't feel the most genuine
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Thought #3
REDACTED
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I was ready to vote: mail-mi last night but there were some ongoing discussions. Those look mostly finished.
4pm - 8 hours....I guess 8am isn't sleeping in THAT late. I guess not everyone gets up by 6:30 every morning
I start work at 8:30 and I'm working from home right now so I get to sleep in woohoo!
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Thought #1b
I think we rolled
TTTTXX
-or-
TTTXXX
I think it is actually most likely we rolled TTTTXX where we got like a KV or something. It really feels like we don't have investigative, blocking, or protecting roles.
Of course, we have only had 2 nights.
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"This is it", said mail-mi. "Your machine is not only not working, it's dangerous. I think it is better we leave now."
He went to the door and tried to open it, but it would not move.
"EMERGENCY PROTOCOL ACTIVATED", a voice came from the Kitchen-o-matic."SMARTHOME SECURITY SYSTEM ONLINE."
The door quickly snapped open, hitting mail-miin the stomach and pushing him to the ground, and then swung shut again.
mail-mi has been lynched! They were a Vanilla Townie!
Night 3 begins now and lasts until June 11, 2020, 03:00:00 pm. Night actions due within 24 hours.
THREAD LOCKED!
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After being bounced back and forth between departments a number of times, faust finally got to talk to a technician. faust's remaining friends watched in nervous anticipation as he pressed a bunch of buttons, re-wired some cables, and gave the whole machine a couple of shoves.
Finally, at the press of a button, a cup filled with Cappucino.
"See, it's all working!" faust exclaimed triumphantly. "Here, Calamitas, the first one is for you."
Calamitas eyed the drink suspiciously, but finally decided to give it a try.
Seconds later, he lay on the floor, gasping for air. "What's going on?" faust asked.
"He's got a soy allergy. You didn't happen to put soy milk in, did you?" said 2.71828.....
"I... no. At least I didn't think so."
Calamitas has been killed! They were a 1-shot Governor.
Day 4 begins!
Vote Count 4.0
Not Voting (6): WestCoastDidds, yuma, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, Swowl
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 lasts until June 18, 2020, 04:30:00 pm.
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vote: No Lynch
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I mean... yeah? if we lynch and are wrong we lose.
ADK - thoughts?
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I mean I guess not like 100% lose... but yeah the odds would not be in our favor if we mislynched.
Is there any value in a claim if we no lynch? No right? wait for tomorrow?
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No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
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Unvote
Because lylo
But it does take 4 to Lynch so one vote isn't THAT dangerous
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No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
it's dangerous for restless spirit claim UB at the time when ADK claimed. and we should no lynch.
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also we had a 1-shot Governor flip, ADK can't be ub converted. read the setup
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i think Swowl is scum for sure, and maybe yuma. but i strongly suggest we no lynch
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also we had a 1-shot Governor flip, ADK can't be ub converted. read the setup
Oh yeah, I forgot governor was a V. It's past midnight.
Which means that now ADK is a one shot governor
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No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
it's dangerous for restless spirit claim UB at the time when ADK claimed. and we should no lynch.
Converted UB isn't told they are a restless spirit
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But yeah, since we got a V flip, we have at least one other townie out there with a PR.
Scum have been fishing hard core and finally got someone, but no lynch makes sense.
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i think Swowl is scum for sure
?
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i think Swowl is scum for sure
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White knighting me. Or something. I don't know.
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But really, I don't trust my reads this game anymore. Maybe third time is the charm? I will make my cases but I am fine sheeping ADK or reads from mail-mi/calamitas
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double question mark....
in what possible way have I at any point in time white knighted you?
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But really, I don't trust my reads this game anymore. Maybe third time is the charm? I will make my cases but I am fine sheeping ADK or reads from mail-mi/calamitas
lol well Calam wanted to lynch you and Calam's dying words were to "not let E! off the hook" so...?
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But really, I don't trust my reads this game anymore. Maybe third time is the charm? I will make my cases but I am fine sheeping ADK or reads from mail-mi/calamitas
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lol well MM wanted to lynch you and Calam's dying words were to "not let E! off the hook" so...?
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No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
I think you have it backwards, a Restless Spirit would not be told whether or not they were a converted UB. I'm a UB, therefore I'm not a restless spirit
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
it's dangerous for restless spirit claim UB at the time when ADK claimed. and we should no lynch.
Converted UB isn't told they are a restless spirit
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Quote fail
I think you have it backwards, a Restless Spirit would not be told whether or not they were a converted UB. I'm a UB, therefore I'm not a restless spirit
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We have at least VV. That could be the extent, there could be more
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No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
it's dangerous for restless spirit claim UB at the time when ADK claimed. and we should no lynch.
Converted UB isn't told they are a restless spirit
converted UB isn't told they are UB...
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Quote fail
I think you have it backwards, a Restless Spirit would not be told whether or not they were a converted UB. I'm a UB, therefore I'm not a restless spirit
homie I think you have it backwards?
I know that faust hates mod quoting so I am not doing it but the OP clearly states "if UB converts to RS due to a solo V, the player won't be told".
Also, the game starts with a UB, but not necessarily a RS, so you def have it backwards.
i.e.... you should of gotten a role pm saying that you were the UB as they are GTD to be in the game. Then the letters were rolled. If that roll came up with 1 V-roll, you would then be turned into a RS and not be informed of it.
can someone else please read the op and tell me I am not on crack?
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you're wrong. they won't be told, that they were UB.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
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you're wrong. they won't be told, that they were UB.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
so you are saying everything is rolled first and then if there is a single V roll they would get a PM stating RS and never be told of UB?
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I guess it all doesn't really matter - there is a Double V flip, so UB is in play regardless.
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you're wrong. they won't be told, that they were UB.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
so you are saying everything is rolled first and then if there is a single V roll they would get a PM stating RS and never be told of UB?
yes, of course. Asher9++ works the same.
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you're wrong. they won't be told, that they were UB.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
so you are saying everything is rolled first and then if there is a single V roll they would get a PM stating RS and never be told of UB?
yes, of course. Asher9++ works the same.
yeah yeah, your way makes way more sense. I had always, even with Asher, thought of it the other way around, but I get it now.
hey also - while your're here - why I am skum?
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you're wrong. they won't be told, that they were UB.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
so you are saying everything is rolled first and then if there is a single V roll they would get a PM stating RS and never be told of UB?
yes, of course. Asher9++ works the same.
yeah yeah, your way makes way more sense. I had always, even with Asher, thought of it the other way around, but I get it now.
hey also - while your're here - why I am skum?
it's entirely in you scumplay's realm of possibilities to play this game like this. I don't know if much changed, but i remember that if you're alive for so long, you're scum.
Space and Calamitas kills are framing me, of all people, they are my close friends and if I was scum, I would probably kill them too. Although the first person I would kill, would be ADK. The risk of keeping him alive for the whole game is something I accociate with you.
although while I was typing it, i started suspecting 2.7 again...
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2.7's entry into the day was hella scummy. trying to mislynch me out of the gates, then unvoting 'cause "dangerous" and then telling that one vote wouldn't change anything and not voting again
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2.7's entry into the day was hella scummy. trying to mislynch me out of the gates, then unvoting 'cause "dangerous" and then telling that one vote wouldn't change anything and not voting again
I believe it was faust, who caught me once as scum while I was telling "PLEASE DON'T LYNCH IT'S LYLO" and who said that usually scum does that to get towncred.
yeah
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you know what, vote: 2.7
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anyway, it's 3am, I should go sleep.
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also, I strongly believe in Calamitas' reads.
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you're wrong. they won't be told, that they were UB.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
so you are saying everything is rolled first and then if there is a single V roll they would get a PM stating RS and never be told of UB?
yes, of course. Asher9++ works the same.
yeah yeah, your way makes way more sense. I had always, even with Asher, thought of it the other way around, but I get it now.
hey also - while your're here - why I am skum?
it's entirely in you scumplay's realm of possibilities to play this game like this. I don't know if much changed, but i remember that if you're alive for so long, you're scum.
Space and Calamitas kills are framing me, of all people, they are my close friends and if I was scum, I would probably kill them too. Although the first person I would kill, would be ADK. The risk of keeping him alive for the whole game is something I accociate with you.
although while I was typing it, i started suspecting 2.7 again...
so couple things...
1) I literally NEVER get killed. Like not ever. but it's either like day 1 or like mislynched late game, so idk where your confusion on that is coming from.
2) I had literally no idea until right now you knew Calam at all. This is the first game I have ever played with them. And while I know you have met space, I had no idea you were close. I also do not understand how any of that is relevant.
and then there is the important part....
3) I cannot be setting you up because I am outright saying I do not want to lynch you. I didn't wanna lynch you yesterday when that shit started up, and I do not want to lynch you today. I wanna Lynch E! and over night decided next is Yuma... followed by WCD (with a huge gap there). There is literally no world in which I lynch you given the people that tried to get your wagon up and running yesterday.
PPE
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you're wrong. they won't be told, that they were UB.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
so you are saying everything is rolled first and then if there is a single V roll they would get a PM stating RS and never be told of UB?
yes, of course. Asher9++ works the same.
yeah yeah, your way makes way more sense. I had always, even with Asher, thought of it the other way around, but I get it now.
hey also - while your're here - why I am skum?
it's entirely in you scumplay's realm of possibilities to play this game like this. I don't know if much changed, but i remember that if you're alive for so long, you're scum.
Space and Calamitas kills are framing me, of all people, they are my close friends and if I was scum, I would probably kill them too. Although the first person I would kill, would be ADK. The risk of keeping him alive for the whole game is something I accociate with you.
although while I was typing it, i started suspecting 2.7 again...
so couple things...
1) I literally NEVER get killed. Like not ever. but it's either like day 1 or like mislynched late game, so idk where your confusion on that is coming from.
2) I had literally no idea until right now you knew Calam at all. This is the first game I have ever played with them. And while I know you have met space, I had no idea you were close. I also do not understand how any of that is relevant.
and then there is the important part....
3) I cannot be setting you up because I am outright saying I do not want to lynch you. I didn't wanna lynch you yesterday when that shit started up, and I do not want to lynch you today. I wanna Lynch E! and over night decided next is Yuma... followed by WCD (with a huge gap there). There is literally no world in which I lynch you given the people that tried to get your wagon up and running yesterday.
PPE
Calamitas and Space are concerned in a way that I know how amazing they play as town, and I believe I mentioned it.
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i remember you being killed quite a few times.
oh well, I guess I believe you over 2.7.
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i remember you being killed quite a few times.
oh well, I guess I believe you over 2.7.
I can literally pull a post from within this game that was NOT written by me about the fact that I am never killed.
Also, fine by me - Vote: E!
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funny, that now I can predict, that e will claim a pr. Just watch
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funny, that now I can predict, that e will claim a pr. Just watch
assuming you know why, I am not gonna say why I think that is a "duh"... but also why say it?
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also I was rereading setup post to clarify something and found out the Mafia has a 1-shot Switch, did any of you know that?
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funny, that now I can predict, that e will claim a pr. Just watch
assuming you know why, I am not gonna say why I think that is a "duh"... but also why say it?
it's just a logical thing to do here to get off the hook and mislynch someone else, eapecially when we have a governor.
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I do not softclaim to have or not have a pr.
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now sleepsleepsleep
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also I was rereading setup post to clarify something and found out the Mafia has a 1-shot Switch, did any of you know that?
what? yes, I thought that was why we were on the same page about E instead of no lynch.
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I do not softclaim to have or not have a pr.
not what I was insinuating if you took it that way.
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eh actually this is dumb. maybe. still 100% the next lynch I want is E!, but night could potentially work in our favor. and potential quick hammer. I need to think more about this.
Unvote
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also in the world where I am just dead wrong, quickhammer potential - did not think about that... we only need 4 to lynch here.
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Hi friends!!
So, e is scum, yeah?
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also in the world where I am just dead wrong, quickhammer potential - did not think about that... we only need 4 to lynch here.
How likely does it seem that scum used the flip to cancel V powers last night? Otherwise we don't have to work about quickhammers
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ADK, can you explain the flip to me?
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ADK, can you explain the flip to me?
Or rather the cancel v powers part
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WCD - he is referring to the switch thing that mafia has. If I understand correctly they get to activate it once in the game and choose a letter and all powers that exist in that letter category like don't work.
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ADK, can you explain the flip to me?
Or rather the cancel v powers part
and I assume this is because as UB, ADK now is the Governor.
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Hi friends!!
So, e is scum, yeah?
Nope
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also in the world where I am just dead wrong, quickhammer potential - did not think about that... we only need 4 to lynch here.
How likely does it seem that scum used the flip to cancel V powers last night? Otherwise we don't have to work about quickhammers
I have an opinion on this, and just the switch concept in general... and I stand by it... being prettyyyyy sure I have thought it through all the way... not just now, but like back in pre game.
Is this really something you want people to speculate about currently... out loud... before we know what roles we have at our disposal?
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Hi friends!!
So, e is scum, yeah?
Nope
there he is!
I have been waiting 2 days to ask you this...
Who is skum, E!?
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But I don't see how any other Lynch happens.
Scum won this game lurking and bussing.
Dylan was active, and in his activity did things I picked out as scummy
Mail-mi was active, same thing.
LaLight was just as absent as I was D1, except instead of showing up to hammer, they just...existed on the wagon
Then D2/D3 they just hang out and sheep reads.
Say what you want about my D2/D3 reads that ended going horribly wrong, but they do not happen when I am scum.
Which will probably take a flip for everyone to see, likely just GG scum
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Hi friends!!
So, e is scum, yeah?
Nope
there he is!
I have been waiting 2 days to ask you this...
Who is skum, E!?
Did you even read day 2?
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Sorry, day 3
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OK so in the world where you are town, pretend for a moment that MM is town. So you are both town. So no teams allowed that include yourself of MM. Where is skum at?
This means there are two scum in:
Swowl
ADK
WCD
Yuma
LaLight
Calamitas
I take ADK off the table right away. Unchallenged UB claim is IC. Even if converted to a restless spirit the UB is not notified of that, so they still think they are the UB until proven otherwise.
Which leaves us with two scum in:
Swowl
Yuma
Calamitas
WCD
LaLight
- Calamitas has had their name thrown around as scum a lot, but nothing has really stuck. Scum partner protecting? Or just when people look at their whole game they read town? I fall in the second category. There were a few knee-jerk things that made me think scum, but their whole game has been town. In a large amount of posts, something will hit you the wrong way. Bound to happen. But looking past that, I think there game points to very strong town, especially the integral part in lynching Joseph.
- WCD has not had her best game, but I don't think that implies scum. Her most recent post that attracted criticism I think kind of sums up her game: she is either "lazy" (for lack of a better word) town, or lurking scum. She has had a few posts with an AtE element (see D1 reaction), and really the decision is if it was faked or real. Could go either way, coin flip. 1 is scum, 2 is town. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2
Yuma - bursts of energy in posting, then silence. Different question than WCD here - are those bursts town trying to catch up, or scum trying to appear "helpful." Again, flip a coin (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d2 : 2, total 2
LaLight is the only one that I went through earlier and landed on as scum. You can see the case above. If I take out mail-mi, I think PoE even more than before lands me on scum!LaLight
Swowl - when I did my reread earlier I landed town here. I will keep it there. Reference reply #710
So if mail-mi isn't scum, I think it is likely LaLight, {Yuma, WCD} as scum.
The choice between Yuma and WCD should be put off until more flips + claims happen.
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Remember this big long post? Or did you miss it?
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Also, if the whole UB conversion stuff doesn't happen like I thought it did, I am calling it now: townslip
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For me
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
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Also, if the whole UB conversion stuff doesn't happen like I thought it did, I am calling it now: townslip
I think LL is right. It makes the most sense. How did you think it happened?
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And, at this point, Yuma is my choice for scum over WCD by a lot
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Remember this big long post? Or did you miss it?
remember indeed. just making sure nothing had changed.
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Remember this big long post? Or did you miss it?
remember indeed. just making sure nothing had changed.
I mean, it does warrant looking at again. Like, I think scum was on mail-mi pretty early with me and didn't leave. (Or left and went back (LaLight, anyone)
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
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Remember this big long post? Or did you miss it?
remember indeed. just making sure nothing had changed.
I mean, it does warrant looking at again. Like, I think scum was on mail-mi pretty early with me and didn't leave. (Or left and went back (LaLight, anyone)
so you are gonna have to bear with me here because I still think you are skum... but i will play for a minute...
If you are town, and MM flipped town... why does skum have to be early on MM with you? those are split "town wagons" in that scenario. If I thought you were town, I would be more inclined to look at flippy-floppy players as opposed to ones that came on with you and didn't leave.
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
Look at LaLight's last post for D1. Look at how many votes were on Joseph at the time.
They never meant to bus like they did, but will take the town cred for it
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
I think my vote and Yuma's vote both make sense for scum.
But not for us if we are scum together
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
It doesn't back then. But it sure does now
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And if we are looking for evil scum geniuses ....
LaLight and Yuma, anyone?
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so your current working theory is ... LL got stuck, took the cred, and then Yuma decided to L1 Joseph ... also for cred?
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so your current working theory is ... LL got stuck, took the cred, and then Yuma decided to L1 Joseph ... also for cred?
Yeah, sounds right
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
Or swowl is scum
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So I don't get why you seem to be pressing back in the idea
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Really, this is how I see it.
Did scum do a super bus day 1? No, swowl is scum they should get lynched
Yes?
It is LaLight + me/Yuma/mail-mi
I know it isn't me, and Yuma's vote was the most opportunistic besides mine. So I think Yuma
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But even with that, scum really didn't "super bus"
Need to go back and check, but pretty certain neither LaLight it Yuma went after Joseph all day. I could just be remembering wrong though.
The votes just kind happened to end up there. LaLight's because of inactivity, Yuma somewhat through inactivity + opportunism
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So I don't get why you seem to be pressing back in the idea
I mean I am not pressing back in the idea. I think you are one of the two skum. If anything it is strange to me that you think I fall on the townyside enough to assume two skum ahead of you on wagon opposed to the concept that I am skum.
TLDR; If I were you, I would think I was skum.
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So I don't get why you seem to be pressing back in the idea
I mean I am not pressing back in the idea. I think you are one of the two skum. If anything it is strange to me that you think I fall on the townyside enough to assume two skum ahead of you on wagon opposed to the concept that I am skum.
TLDR; If I were you, I would think I was skum.
All right, I can build a case on you if it makes you happy
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faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
Restless Spirit.
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--If the Universal Backup converts to a Restless Spirit due to a single V roll, that player will not be informed of the conversion.
For some strange reason I was thinking you get the UB role and are a hidden restless spirit. Which makes no sense.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
Restless Spirit.
This makes sense
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So I don't get why you seem to be pressing back in the idea
I mean I am not pressing back in the idea. I think you are one of the two skum. If anything it is strange to me that you think I fall on the townyside enough to assume two skum ahead of you on wagon opposed to the concept that I am skum.
TLDR; If I were you, I would think I was skum.
All right, I can build a case on you if it makes you happy
Way to ignore the point...
I mean i assume you have already looked me up as skum and realized there is not a good enough angle to pursue, or on the off chance you are Town, done the same and found it not a viable option... otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation... cuz you would have come out gunning for me otherwise.
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--If the Universal Backup converts to a Restless Spirit due to a single V roll, that player will not be informed of the conversion.
For some strange reason I was thinking you get the UB role and are a hidden restless spirit. Which makes no sense.
faust, if UB converts into Restless Spirit, will they get UB pm or Restless Spirit pm?
Restless Spirit.
This makes sense
I also thought it was that way.
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Vote Count 4.1
2.71828..... (1): LaLight
Not Voting (5): WestCoastDidds, yuma, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, Swowl
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 lasts until June 18, 2020, 04:30:00 pm.
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
Look at LaLight's last post for D1. Look at how many votes were on Joseph at the time.
They never meant to bus like they did, but will take the town cred for it
then again, no.
I was inline at the wnd of the day and didn't post.
i never bus early, I hammer and bus late. this point is null.
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
e, swowl, yuma, lalight, didds
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ADK, can you explain the flip to me?
I meant the switch, the power that scum has
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I am a vt
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i don't think we should claim
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
e, swowl, yuma, lalight, didds
are we doing this? I am fine with it, just want to clarify.
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
e, swowl, yuma, lalight, didds
are we doing this? I am fine with it, just want to clarify.
Just double checking with town to make sure you don't ruffle any feathers? Don't want to go and get yourself lynched branching out and doing your own thing.
Maybe you are scum after all...
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So I don't get why you seem to be pressing back in the idea
I mean I am not pressing back in the idea. I think you are one of the two skum. If anything it is strange to me that you think I fall on the townyside enough to assume two skum ahead of you on wagon opposed to the concept that I am skum.
TLDR; If I were you, I would think I was skum.
All right, I can build a case on you if it makes you happy
Way to ignore the point...
I mean i assume you have already looked me up as skum and realized there is not a good enough angle to pursue, or on the off chance you are Town, done the same and found it not a viable option... otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation... cuz you would have come out gunning for me otherwise.
Naw, if I were scum I would have worked super hard to stay consistent with my reads and keep my mislynch options open.
You know, like I did with calamitas.
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Swowl, you sound very convinced I am scum.
Is there anything that would convince you otherwise?
Because if not, then claiming is in fact pointless at this point.
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Same goes for WCD.
Not including Yuma or LaLight 'cause they are scum. So if course they aren't going to Lynch somewhere else.
I might as well go back to my
Vote: LaLight
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Last thing I want is to drag this out.
It will take all 4 town to Lynch scum. If you are town and not willing to move off me, just go ahead and vote and let's move on to post game so I can see the speccy yell about how awful my reads were. Or maybe they agreed the entire time and were just as bamboozled
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Same goes for WCD.
Not including Yuma or LaLight 'cause they are scum. So if course they aren't going to Lynch somewhere else.
I might as well go back to my
Vote: LaLight
I am definitely not locked down.
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
e, swowl, yuma, lalight, didds
are we doing this? I am fine with it, just want to clarify.
Just double checking with town to make sure you don't ruffle any feathers? Don't want to go and get yourself lynched branching out and doing your own thing.
Maybe you are scum after all...
what? It was my idea... ADK gave me half an answer - I am just verifying. It would be anti town to you know.... just up and claim or something without making sure that was the gameplan first.
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Swowl, you sound very convinced I am scum.
Is there anything that would convince you otherwise?
I am not going to risk burning the game based on arrogance, there is always something to be done. The issue I am running into right now is like almost every viable paring of people I can process in my head (minus 1) includes you.
I am gonna dive my last two players today/tonight and try to get a firmer grip on things. I'll let you know then.
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
e, swowl, yuma, lalight, didds
are we doing this? I am fine with it, just want to clarify.
I don't think we're doing it yet
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For some reason I thought this opened back up tonight. Sorry. But I'll be back in the morning having actually caught up and hopefully with thoughts.... dun dun dun...
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
I think this makes sense
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
not sure how this makes sense... I'd rather lynch 2.7
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
It seems like we need to do it either today or tomorrow.
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Lynching scum and then no lynch tomorrow is also a fine idea.
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
not sure how this makes sense... I'd rather lynch 2.7
there are for sure multiple possibilities in which "it makes sense".
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
not sure how this makes sense... I'd rather lynch 2.7
there are for sure multiple possibilities in which "it makes sense".
If e is town and LL is scum, then lynching today is definitely part of his evil plan.
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
not sure how this makes sense... I'd rather lynch 2.7
there are for sure multiple possibilities in which "it makes sense".
well, alright then
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let's vote: no lynch
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Vote: No Lynch
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
not sure how this makes sense... I'd rather lynch 2.7
there are for sure multiple possibilities in which "it makes sense".
well, alright then
is this to say you thought it back? Or are you just assuming I am right?
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ADK....what do you think about a no lynch?
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I've thought about it and I don't like it. I'm going to do a reread tomorrow and see if I can get better clarity on who I want to vote for but I would rather try and lynch today
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I've thought about it and I don't like it. I'm going to do a reread tomorrow and see if I can get better clarity on who I want to vote for but I would rather try and lynch today
Aye, aye, cap’n!
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I will keep asking this question until I get an answer, but how exactly can we force scum to kill? If we can't cause that to happen then I see no lynch as a stall that probably only benefits scum.
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And no lynch is boring and I have inherently against things that make the game boring.
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And no lynch only makes sense if we have equal suspicion (statistically of everyone), right? Otherwise we will just be giving mafia a chance to kill off a strong town voice. Like yes, I understand the math, that forcing scum to eliminate one of the options is nice.
But right now the options aren't all equal. And I still don't think we can actually force scum to kill, right?
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
Look at LaLight's last post for D1. Look at how many votes were on Joseph at the time.
They never meant to bus like they did, but will take the town cred for it
then again, no.
I was inline at the wnd of the day and didn't post.
I don't think you have mentioned before that you were online, but didn't post during that time. Why?
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
e, swowl, yuma, lalight, didds
are we doing this? I am fine with it, just want to clarify.
Just double checking with town to make sure you don't ruffle any feathers? Don't want to go and get yourself lynched branching out and doing your own thing.
Maybe you are scum after all...
vote: E
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And no lynch only makes sense if we have equal suspicion (statistically of everyone), right? Otherwise we will just be giving mafia a chance to kill off a strong town voice. Like yes, I understand the math, that forcing scum to eliminate one of the options is nice.
But right now the options aren't all equal. And I still don't think we can actually force scum to kill, right?
??????????
In what world do we no lynch and they do not kill?
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I've thought about it and I don't like it. I'm going to do a reread tomorrow and see if I can get better clarity on who I want to vote for but I would rather try and lynch today
you want to lynch today so we can hopefully no lynch tomorrow and bring it to final day of 3 people? which is fine. I do not understand why we do not do the claims now if you would like to lynch today though.
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And no lynch only makes sense if we have equal suspicion (statistically of everyone), right? Otherwise we will just be giving mafia a chance to kill off a strong town voice. Like yes, I understand the math, that forcing scum to eliminate one of the options is nice.
But right now the options aren't all equal. And I still don't think we can actually force scum to kill, right?
??????????
In what world do we no lynch and they do not kill?
If we are no lynching to benefit town, then the right scum move is to prevent that, right?
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And no lynch only makes sense if we have equal suspicion (statistically of everyone), right? Otherwise we will just be giving mafia a chance to kill off a strong town voice. Like yes, I understand the math, that forcing scum to eliminate one of the options is nice.
But right now the options aren't all equal. And I still don't think we can actually force scum to kill, right?
??????????
In what world do we no lynch and they do not kill?
If we are no lynching to benefit town, then the right scum move is to prevent that, right?
lol ok? and then I say "but they thought you would think that so they assumed you would do this"?
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But it is boooorrrring
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Like after every night, it takes me a couple of days to get back to what was going and catch up. I am not interested in getting even further less involved in this game and being able to remember what was going on.
But I understand that if it is an actual town benefit then we can do it, it is just boring and probably unlikely to get the result that we want.
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But that is all I'll say. I mean 6 posts is enough on the subject....
Right? Or do we need more?
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We don't need more.
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I don't think no Lynch is necessary here either. Current situation we have 4 town influencers and 2 scum influencers.
No Lynch theoretical changes that to 3 and 2. See more scum influence, less town influence.
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Yuma, who do you think is scum?
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I don't think no Lynch is necessary here either. Current situation we have 4 town influencers and 2 scum influencers.
No Lynch theoretical changes that to 3 and 2. See more scum influence, less town influence.
fair. but, if we are in the realm of taking that route... why not mass claim today to maximize the amount of information we have?
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But that is all I'll say. I mean 6 posts is enough on the subject....
Right? Or do we need more?
okie dokie. what would you like to talk about?
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I am fine with mass claim.
I think the choice for Lynch though is really me or LaLight at this point.
So I don't think we really need a mass claim to help scum pick a nk
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I am fine with mass claim.
I think the choice for Lynch though is really me or LaLight at this point.
So I don't think we really need a mass claim to help scum pick a nk
1) it could be all vt
2) the value of the potential role(s) in existence is not why I think the claim is important.
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I am fine with mass claim.
I think the choice for Lynch though is really me or LaLight at this point.
So I don't think we really need a mass claim to help scum pick a nk
1) it could be all vt
2) the value of the potential role(s) in existence is not why I think the claim is important.
1) absolutely correct, VV seems like a pretty likely roll
2) why is it important
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2) why is it important
regardless of your alignment, I am 100% sure you know the answer to this question already.
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Vote Count 4.2
LaLight (1): 2.71828.....
No Lynch (2): LaLight, Swowl
Not Voting (3): WestCoastDidds, yuma, A Drowned Kernel
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 lasts until June 18, 2020, 04:30:00 pm.
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Yuma, who do you think is scum?
I don't know. I know my reads were on you and LaLight yesterday. But I need to actually go back and assess that based off what I know based off flip and kill because I don't completely remember what those things were and how they relate to what has changed. To be honest I am not going to try and do that until we either do no lynch or decide we aren't going to do no lynch.
So I don't know at this point.
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But that is all I'll say. I mean 6 posts is enough on the subject....
Right? Or do we need more?
okie dokie. what would you like to talk about?
Well... now that you have asked me about it.
I also don't really have an opinion about mass claiming. I think it is more fun, so I am generally in favor, but I don't know if it is good/bad for town here and I am not interested in figuring that out. If someone else wants to or has reasons against I'll read them.
But again, generally in favor cause mass claims are fun.
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if we do not want to claim today, we should no lynch yes?
not sure how this makes sense... I'd rather lynch 2.7
there are for sure multiple possibilities in which "it makes sense".
well, alright then
is this to say you thought it back? Or are you just assuming I am right?
I see percs in both outcomes, so I thought it back, I guess
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
Look at LaLight's last post for D1. Look at how many votes were on Joseph at the time.
They never meant to bus like they did, but will take the town cred for it
then again, no.
I was inline at the wnd of the day and didn't post.
I don't think you have mentioned before that you were online, but didn't post during that time. Why?
because this is unprovable
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And no lynch only makes sense if we have equal suspicion (statistically of everyone), right? Otherwise we will just be giving mafia a chance to kill off a strong town voice. Like yes, I understand the math, that forcing scum to eliminate one of the options is nice.
But right now the options aren't all equal. And I still don't think we can actually force scum to kill, right?
??????????
In what world do we no lynch and they do not kill?
If we are no lynching to benefit town, then the right scum move is to prevent that, right?
in all the games I've played (except one) there is a mod rule, that if town no lynches, scum will have to kill and vice versa.
faust, can you clarify what happens if we no lynch and scum doesn't kill?
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I am a Watcher. I watched ADK for 3 nights and got nothing.
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i weighted my claim for a couple of days now, and I decided that it is good.
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faust, can you clarify what happens if we no lynch and scum doesn't kill?
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or night kill, town wins.
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I am a Watcher. I watched ADK for 3 nights and got nothing.
unvote
If LaLight is lying we still shouldn't lynch them, we should lynch their partner. Goon or 1-shot ninja flip proves a lie from LaLight and easy lynch to win
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Or LaLight is town and watcher as claimed and we don't want to lynch town and lose
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
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At this point let's massclaim
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
"LaLight lynch isn't happening, let's try to mislynch another town"
i think it's 2.7/Didds. Solved
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
"LaLight lynch isn't happening, let's try to mislynch another town"
i think it's 2.7/Didds. Solved
It is definitely not me. You can 100% guarantee that I’d be both be far more engaged if I was scum and I’d have killed ADK for sure.
So, 2/3 in e, Yuma, Swowl.
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(J is working on unclogging our kitchen sink, so I’m “helping” and only kind of around. Apologies for distractedness)
E seems like he’s playing for his life.
Yuma seems towny
Swowl seems towny
All three of them know how this is done and can sell towny by being generally helpful without actually helping. I think I’m most willing to vote for e, but Yuma isn’t a hard sell. It’s hard for me to ever turn on Swowl.
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
"LaLight lynch isn't happening, let's try to mislynch another town"
i think it's 2.7/Didds. Solved
It is definitely not me. You can 100% guarantee that I’d be both be far more engaged if I was scum and I’d have killed ADK for sure.
So, 2/3 in e, Yuma, Swowl.
Yeah, no way I leave the IC alive when I have a ninja shot.
Which is why I am slightly skeptical of the LaLight claim, but it is a stupid play to lynch then even if they are lying scum as I pointed out
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
"LaLight lynch isn't happening, let's try to mislynch another town"
i think it's 2.7/Didds. Solved
Didds? Why Didds over Swowl or Yuma?
I mean, I understand your read on me, but I don't get the Didds read. Please explain
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
"LaLight lynch isn't happening, let's try to mislynch another town"
i think it's 2.7/Didds. Solved
Didds? Why Didds over Swowl or Yuma?
I mean, I understand your read on me, but I don't get the Didds read. Please explain
because you want to lynch yuma and because I believe Swowl. Occam's razor
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
"LaLight lynch isn't happening, let's try to mislynch another town"
i think it's 2.7/Didds. Solved
Didds? Why Didds over Swowl or Yuma?
I mean, I understand your read on me, but I don't get the Didds read. Please explain
because you want to lynch yuma and because I believe Swowl. Occam's razor
Ah, because you are tied of the game and don't want to try to figure it out.
Got it.
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
"LaLight lynch isn't happening, let's try to mislynch another town"
i think it's 2.7/Didds. Solved
Didds? Why Didds over Swowl or Yuma?
I mean, I understand your read on me, but I don't get the Didds read. Please explain
because you want to lynch yuma and because I believe Swowl. Occam's razor
Ah, because you are tied of the game and don't want to try to figure it out.
Got it.
my "solved" was ironic. Please, don't AtE me like this, I don't think I don't figure it out. I figured you're scum, and then I will think about your partner. Also let's wait on claims, please
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Ok, yeah, that wasn't fair.
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I mean, if we lose because we mislynch me, I get it.
I just don't want that to happen.
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Good gravy, e is laying it on thick.
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Good gravy, e is laying it on thick.
I know, embarking in new territory for me. I can't remember the last time I was town in a mylo situation where I am that mislynch. If ever
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This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
Good gravy, e is laying it on thick.
But I am sure you understand
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Interesting that e ended up feeling the same way I did in my specific person once they came back.
I too like a vote: west
But actually, thinking about WCD's point. Here is Yuma jumping sleeping my vote.
I mean, I vote WCD, Yuma follows. Yuma switches to Joseph, I hammer
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also, apparently e and I are the same person
These are all me:
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Maybe there is something to this....
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Also, while I don't think it is WCD, I will sheep votes to lunch her if the rest of town want to do that.
Or really anyone.
I can imagine a world where LaLight, WCD, Yuma, or swowl could be scum. Some more than others, but who knows anymore. Not me
I don't trust my reads this game anymore
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Did a reread, scum is e/swowl
No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
Quote fail
I think you have it backwards, a Restless Spirit would not be told whether or not they were a converted UB. I'm a UB, therefore I'm not a restless spirit
homie I think you have it backwards?
I know that faust hates mod quoting so I am not doing it but the OP clearly states "if UB converts to RS due to a solo V, the player won't be told".
Also, the game starts with a UB, but not necessarily a RS, so you def have it backwards.
i.e.... you should of gotten a role pm saying that you were the UB as they are GTD to be in the game. Then the letters were rolled. If that roll came up with 1 V-roll, you would then be turned into a RS and not be informed of it.
can someone else please read the op and tell me I am not on crack?
They believed there was a possibility that I was a secret restless spirit that got a UB PM, which is why they weren't killing me
vote: e
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I am driving up to Russian River (beer garden) today. Not gonna be able to talk all that much.
FWIW - I am VT.
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This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
Good gravy, e is laying it on thick.
But I am sure you understand
Oh, for sure. But I’m made of AtE, and it’s rare for you.
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Did a reread, scum is e/swowl
No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
Quote fail
I think you have it backwards, a Restless Spirit would not be told whether or not they were a converted UB. I'm a UB, therefore I'm not a restless spirit
homie I think you have it backwards?
I know that faust hates mod quoting so I am not doing it but the OP clearly states "if UB converts to RS due to a solo V, the player won't be told".
Also, the game starts with a UB, but not necessarily a RS, so you def have it backwards.
i.e.... you should of gotten a role pm saying that you were the UB as they are GTD to be in the game. Then the letters were rolled. If that roll came up with 1 V-roll, you would then be turned into a RS and not be informed of it.
can someone else please read the op and tell me I am not on crack?
They believed there was a possibility that I was a secret restless spirit that got a UB PM, which is why they weren't killing me
vote: e
this is surprisingly a lot of sense actually.
vote: e
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Today has reminded me so much of the Ash/LL who will have to eat their hat conversation.
Vote: E
PPE, L-1?
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Yes, I just checked
e(3): ADK, LaLight, WCD
Not voting: e, Yuma, swowl
4 to lynch
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Today has reminded me so much of the Ash/LL who will have to eat their hat conversation.
Vote: E
PPE, L-1?
What do you want to eat when I flip town?
If hats are what must be eaten then go for hats
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Also, swowl/Yuma, if you are both town then you can be sure that both scums are in LaLight/Didds/ADK
Actually,
Vote: WCD
But I fully expect the hammer to come sooner enough.
GG everyone, our governor won't protect me.
Which also invalidates my whole scum theory thing
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This is a terrible idea. I am town, and me getting lynched will start us off in the hole.
It may not be Joseph, but it sure as heck isn't me, and this last day pivot toward me with ZERO ARTICULATED REASON reeks of scumminess.
I am heading to bed. You can trust me or not, but remember all of this was started less than 7 hours ago. The only way a wagon builds that fast and lands a town mislynch is a heap 'o scum joining in.
Good gravy, e is laying it on thick.
But I am sure you understand
Oh, for sure. But I’m made of AtE, and it’s rare for you.
Well, I was frustrated with such a deep lack of concern in finding scum.
But actually, scum totally lurked their way to victory this game
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Or at least acti-lurkers.
The double bus on Joseph turned out super well, letting town Chase down wagon theories.
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Did a reread, scum is e/swowl
No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
Quote fail
I think you have it backwards, a Restless Spirit would not be told whether or not they were a converted UB. I'm a UB, therefore I'm not a restless spirit
homie I think you have it backwards?
I know that faust hates mod quoting so I am not doing it but the OP clearly states "if UB converts to RS due to a solo V, the player won't be told".
Also, the game starts with a UB, but not necessarily a RS, so you def have it backwards.
i.e.... you should of gotten a role pm saying that you were the UB as they are GTD to be in the game. Then the letters were rolled. If that roll came up with 1 V-roll, you would then be turned into a RS and not be informed of it.
can someone else please read the op and tell me I am not on crack?
They believed there was a possibility that I was a secret restless spirit that got a UB PM, which is why they weren't killing me
vote: e
Yeah, we are just THAT bad. We hold private scum conversations in the main game thread
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Like, seriously. There is zero chance that swowl, as my partner, does that.
Zero.
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Like, seriously. There is zero chance that swowl, as my partner, does that.
Zero.
If you both have the same misunderstanding of the setup, and you don't realize that you're in the middle of scumslipping you do
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Like, seriously. There is zero chance that swowl, as my partner, does that.
Zero.
If you both have the same misunderstanding of the setup, and you don't realize that you're in the middle of scumslipping you do
How about we Lynch swowl first?
Vote: swowl
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I mean, if I were scum here I totally self-hammer.
Should have hammered myself back on D2 or something
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Remove the distraction.
But I got excited because I thought all the town were scum.
Maybe all the scum are my D2 town reads....
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Current reads:
Scum tier
Dylan, mail-mi
Scummy(ish)
Calamitas
Merits a reread, I don't remember much about them
yuma, WCD, Swowl
Townie(ish)
Space, LaLight
Town
ADK, e
I mean, I still think ADK is town, I had space correct, but everything else about this is just so completely wrong
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My jumping around probably doesn't do much to convince anyone of anything.
Unvote
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My jumping around probably doesn't do much to convince anyone of anything.
Unvote
It's convincing me of something
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I do feel rather free and loose with my posts.
Sometimes I forget that if I act scummy, people think I am scum. I don't have a get out of jail free card
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But actually, I would only part like this as scum if I were confident in a win.
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I mean i even still now am stronger on no lynch then anyone. But if we have to lynch, E is where i would pick.
So i guess like intent to hammer
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So, Why ADK Isn't Dead Theory
LaLight is telling the truth about watcher role.
Which means scum has a 2-shot ninja + that other thing whatever it is not looking the setup up while I type in my phone.
They know that means town could very well have watcher, etc.
So they go fishing. Kill the watcher/blocker/pick a role here, THEN kill the UB.
Kill UB first and that is an extra night of results for town. Kill the source, then the UB
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So swowl isn't scum
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Vote: no lynch
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I like this PoE.
Scum!swowl hammers there and wins. Therefore swowl is town
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ADK's next post: "Unless you are partners, blah, blah, blah."
Swowl. You know we aren't partners. The IC is against you just as much. Even if I flip red (which I won't) you are on the chopping block.
You feel confident about your chances?
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Let's do the no Lynch
if scum kill LaLight, great. No real gain/loss except PoE confirmation
If scum kill elsewhere then we have a chance for a watcher result
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Anyway, off to bed for me.
Let's see if we last the night.
Again, I would encourage you to at least hold off on your hammer until Yuma has posted.
We could confirm the whole scum team right here.
That is the benefit of needing 4 to lynch. One wrong vote isn't auto-death
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I mean, I prefer you don't hammer.
If Yuma posts without a hammer, scum is guaranteed:
LaLight + WCD.
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But I fully expect to be congratulating Yuma and WCD on holding down the fort after lynching their partner D1
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
Look at LaLight's last post for D1. Look at how many votes were on Joseph at the time.
They never meant to bus like they did, but will take the town cred for it
then again, no.
I was inline at the wnd of the day and didn't post.
I don't think you have mentioned before that you were online, but didn't post during that time. Why?
because this is unprovable
Sorry I was unclear. I meant to ask why you didn't post during that time. I mean you aren't under any sort of obligation to post during that time, but it was a long chunk and significant events had happened. You are saying you could have, but didn't post then? That is my why?
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
I agree with your statement about putting off a LaLight lynch. Other than that I am not really interested in stating my read on LaLight.
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I am strongly in favor of a Yuma Lynch at this point, will wait for more reactions to the claim
Also I am failing to see the connection between LaLight's reveal and your wanting to vote for me. Just that LaLight is off the table?
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ADK - care to set a claim order?
Like not that we need to do it right now... but you know, as long as you are still around and all. Probably the best way to establish one in case it happens.
e, swowl, yuma, lalight, didds
e claimed vt
swolw claimed vt
lalight claimed watcher (early, why was that?)
didds hasn't claimed.
I am a vanilla townie
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I still haven't gone back and read more so am not ready to vote yet.
Guys, that might be a couple of days. I want to say wait for me to do things, but that isn't fair as I think others are reading this game with more clarity than I am...
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I’m a vanilla townie, too
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So is yuma town now as well e?
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So is yuma town now as well e?
who would you like to answer this question?
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So is yuma town now as well e?
who would you like to answer this question?
It was meant more sarcastically then anything. But do you have an opinion?
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So is yuma town now as well e?
who would you like to answer this question?
It was meant more sarcastically then anything. But do you have an opinion?
I do... but I would out any potential plans, if that makes sense, by giving them. Which I am fine with, but want to make sure we are on the same page first.
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So is yuma town now as well e?
who would you like to answer this question?
It was meant more sarcastically then anything. But do you have an opinion?
I do... but I would out any potential plans, if that makes sense, by giving them. Which I am fine with, but want to make sure we are on the same page first.
I am not on the same page and have no idea what you're talking about
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So is yuma town now as well e?
I am. But I am?
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So is yuma town now as well e?
who would you like to answer this question?
It was meant more sarcastically then anything. But do you have an opinion?
I do... but I would out any potential plans, if that makes sense, by giving them. Which I am fine with, but want to make sure we are on the same page first.
I am not on the same page and have no idea what you're talking about
Yeah... what is going on? Swowl how was the beer garden?
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So is yuma town now as well e?
who would you like to answer this question?
It was meant more sarcastically then anything. But do you have an opinion?
I do... but I would out any potential plans, if that makes sense, by giving them. Which I am fine with, but want to make sure we are on the same page first.
I am not on the same page and have no idea what you're talking about
ah ok then nvm. doesn't really matter I suppose in that case. I thought it was possible that you might of had a plan moving regarding the gov shot.
my opinion is E! is skum. also, if E! is skum, obviously it does not make Yuma town. If they are both town... ok but then skum has to be WCD/LL... which with the way LL claimed, and what they claimed, I find that combo unlikely. So from where I sit it is either E!/WCD, E!/Yuma, or WCD/Yuma.
That plus I do not think, even with the gov shot in play, given how you pushed E!, that if E! was town skum would hesitate to join wagon. Which is why I was waiting for Yuma to check in.
If LL is in fact Watcher, then we have 4 letters in play. That means skum team rolled RB, 2shot Ninja, Strongman. The only thing that has me suspicious about LL at all is the fact that if skum had a 2 shot Ninja and a Strongman the whole time... like why are you still alive?
I just got back a little ago from day drinking so I need to think for a sec how the watcher potential effects a lynch today vs tomorrow. Ultimately though, if I am picking a player I find most likely to be skum... it is still E!.
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If e is scum, you're his partner
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Maybe in a less accusatory fashion:
Basically the only two pairings I'm considering right now are e/swowl and Lalight/didds. I can do more rereading to try and sort it out more but in keeping my vote where it is for now
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Maybe in a less accusatory fashion:
Basically the only two pairings I'm considering right now are e/swowl and Lalight/didds. I can do more rereading to try and sort it out more but in keeping my vote where it is for now
I mean... none of our pairing match, so I don't know how to work with you on this one.
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Did a reread, scum is e/swowl
No Lynch here is pointless.
Scum obviously think adk is a restless spirit and I am inclined to agree.
No Lynch, ADK dies, and we are right back to where we are today except ADK can't talk in thread.
Vote: LaLight
But my reads have been crap. Will say LaLight probably had the greatest consensus just never got the votes. I should have stuck on them longer rather than flip back to mail-mi
Quote fail
I think you have it backwards, a Restless Spirit would not be told whether or not they were a converted UB. I'm a UB, therefore I'm not a restless spirit
homie I think you have it backwards?
I know that faust hates mod quoting so I am not doing it but the OP clearly states "if UB converts to RS due to a solo V, the player won't be told".
Also, the game starts with a UB, but not necessarily a RS, so you def have it backwards.
i.e.... you should of gotten a role pm saying that you were the UB as they are GTD to be in the game. Then the letters were rolled. If that roll came up with 1 V-roll, you would then be turned into a RS and not be informed of it.
can someone else please read the op and tell me I am not on crack?
They believed there was a possibility that I was a secret restless spirit that got a UB PM, which is why they weren't killing me
vote: e
Ok. I actually looked at this. I don't think it is that big of a deal. The way everyone voted after it made it seem like it was the nail in the coffin, but it seems more synchronicity of misunderstanding.
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Almost as if they had been making plans in the scum thread the whole game, based on that misunderstanding
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Also, looking at no lynch vs lynch today it doesn't really matter anymore I guess. I was hoping for more out of claims, but with only one other player claiming... I mean they either kill you and then we have to consider LL vs not LL (they would only do that if they had a way to mask the kill), or they kill LL and we are where we are at now. And then after tomorrow... it doesn't matter, its the last choice either way. I mean I guess we could go lynch today, be right, and then no lynch tomorrow? but I do not see how that gets us anywhere extra.
I ain't gonna like just do it if you wanna do re reads and shit - but to be clear - I will hammer E, I am not attempting to stall that out, I was attempting to get information.
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Almost as if they had been making plans in the scum thread the whole game, based on that misunderstanding
OK. I can see what you are saying more. It could be an explanation, but I don't like finding people scummy for misunderstanding the setup. These setups aren't exactly simple and have multi-faceted rules.
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Almost as if they had been making plans in the scum thread the whole game, based on that misunderstanding
OK. I can see what you are saying more. It could be an explanation, but I don't like finding people scummy for misunderstanding the setup. These setups aren't exactly simple and have multi-faceted rules.
Misunderstanding the setup isn't scummy. Two players having the exact same misunderstanding, which gives a clear cut explanation for why an IC has survived so long, is pretty scummy in my book
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I can admit that having on thing to point to which supposedly solves the game is enticing to me, but e was reading scummy in the rest of my reread as well, so I'm feeling pretty solid on this
I basically trust that you're town at this point yuma, so if you'd like to make an alternate case I'm open to hearing it
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Ultimately though, if I am picking a player I find most likely to be skum... it is still E!.
We have been picking players most likely to be scum all game. And lynching town
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Almost as if they had been making plans in the scum thread the whole game, based on that misunderstanding
OK. I can see what you are saying more. It could be an explanation, but I don't like finding people scummy for misunderstanding the setup. These setups aren't exactly simple and have multi-faceted rules.
Misunderstanding the setup isn't scummy. Two players having the exact same misunderstanding, which gives a clear cut explanation for why an IC has survived so long, is pretty scummy in my book
Sure. I think it can be part of a vote, but the way everyone jumped onto it quickly (I guess just LaLight and WCD) made me feel it was being overstated as a reason for scumminess. We are at mylo right? And sitting at L-1.
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I can admit that having on thing to point to which supposedly solves the game is enticing to me, but e was reading scummy in the rest of my reread as well, so I'm feeling pretty solid on this
I basically trust that you're town at this point yuma, so if you'd like to make an alternate case I'm open to hearing it
That is nice. I don't have an alternate case. Based off what I remember and what I see from 2.7 today I would likely vote for him. But I am not ready to vote until I have thought my way through that. I just take a bit longer to think. I know that waiting isn't fun though.
I have been trying to do a search all and then just look at my posts, but my computer is struggling... Maybe I need to try the print screen mode...
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Ultimately though, if I am picking a player I find most likely to be skum... it is still E!.
We have been picking players most likely to be scum all game. And lynching town
Maybe we should try lynching the IC
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So is yuma town now as well e?
There is the whole governor thing, so this isn't normal mylo.
So not quite as definitive.
But yeah. Scum are LaLight and WCD
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Ok. I am not super digging the 2.7 read. I think I was taking what everyone else was saying and applying it as my reads (as if I were the consensus) but I went back and saw my thoughts about 2.7 yesterday and I don't really want to go that route.
My gut still wants to do LaLight, but I see the logic on why we should wait, but man... have we even assessed his claim reliability? If this is our last shot to get mafia I would rather go with someone I feel scummy about than a shot in the dark.
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Ultimately though, if I am picking a player I find most likely to be skum... it is still E!.
We have been picking players most likely to be scum all game. And lynching town
Maybe we should try lynching the IC
;D
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by the way, the print screen thing works great for reading if you aren't planning on directly quoting. I forgot about it... You can zip through posts and specific searches.
Very nice.
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Day 1 Final Vote Count
Joseph2302 (7): A Drowned Kernel, LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Calamitas, scolapasta, yuma, 2.71828.....
scolapasta (3): Dylan32, mail-mi, Swowl
2.71828..... (1): SpaceAnemone
WestCoastDidds (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (0):
With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until May 24, 2020, 03:30:00 pm.
Day 2 Final Vote Count
mail-mi (3): Calamitas, yuma, SpaceAnemone
Dylan32 (6): 2.71828....., LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel, mail-mi
2.71828..... (1): Dylan32
Not Voting (0):
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts until June 01, 2020, 06:30:00 am or whenever faust gets here, whichever is latest.
Day 3 Final Vote Count
2.71828..... (3): mail-mi, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
mail-mi (5): Calamitas, LaLight, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel, yuma
Not Voting (0)
With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch. Twilight begins now and lasts at least until June 09, 2020, 10:00:00 pm.
You have been on all the mislynches. Pretty scummy.
But that is exactly what I am saying. My Lynch targets have been based off a narrow definition of how I think scum play.
Scum don't bus D1
Scum don't wagon together D2
Except those ideas have brought about town lynches. Scum hasn't behaved "normally"
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Ok. Now that I have done that I am going to go to sleep. If game is still going Monday/Tuesday I'll get my reads and a vote, but could someone that likes doing this take a look at how likely LaLight's claim is given what we know.
I am not great at that and think we should explore it at least before we lynch (whether or not it is 2.7). If no one does it, I'll try but again, it isn't really my jam and will take me some time.
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Ok. Now that I have done that I am going to go to sleep. If game is still going Monday/Tuesday I'll get my reads and a vote, but could someone that likes doing this take a look at how likely LaLight's claim is given what we know.
I am not great at that and think we should explore it at least before we lynch (whether or not it is 2.7). If no one does it, I'll try but again, it isn't really my jam and will take me some time.
= my jam. gimme a minute.
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Ok. Now that I have done that I am going to go to sleep. If game is still going Monday/Tuesday I'll get my reads and a vote, but could someone that likes doing this take a look at how likely LaLight's claim is given what we know.
I am not great at that and think we should explore it at least before we lynch (whether or not it is 2.7). If no one does it, I'll try but again, it isn't really my jam and will take me some time.
= my jam. gimme a minute.
Ok. I have memes to look at before bed anyways.
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unvote
I'm going to try another pass at this game tomorrow, looking specifically at those two pairings, and see if I come to any different conclusions
Didds and LL, feel free to weigh in
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Here is the claim list:
ADK - UB (0 letters)
Calam - Gov (2 V's)
LaLight - Watcher (2 I's)
E! - VT (0 letters)
Swan - VT (0 letters)
Yuma - VT (0 letters)
WCD - VT (0 letters)
The order given was [E!, Swowl, Yuma, LL, WCD].
Prior to any claims, the info we all had was that there had the be at least VV (bc of Skum!RB flip and Gov flip). That theoretically would solve the situation right there. We need there 2 be 2 letters, there can be a max of 6 letters.
First thing that stands out here in the claim is obviously that LL jumped the order. Why do that as town? Why do that as skum?
- As Town... IDK. I can't think of a pro town reason, but that is not like condemning. I just don't know why do it.
- As Skum, if they knew that there was exactly 2 letters in play... they could do it so that their position does not look as skummy since they know all players will be claiming VT (or, I guess because it says skum doesn't know who gets an Acetic modifier if they do get it, they would know there is a max of 1 more letter). Either way, it is safe. They claim Watcher, that is 2 more letters... even if 1 more player were to of claim the max of 1 more letter that is still only 5 total letters, which is believable.
So, for the jumping the order bit... actually I guess that is weird. Not really a lot of upside for town, and if they are skum in this spot, it would be completely safe.
The next thing to consider would be why claim Watcher?
- It has to do with the role and the number of letters. Now, it is NOT skummy that they are saying that they watched ADK all nights, I feel like that is what most of us would do yeah? But that does make it safe.
- Also, it is never a risk.
- Also, what are the alternatives?
Tracker - nope, way to hard to fabricate and be believable. especially if they know there are only VTs left minus 1 potential. So risk plus reward is not there.
Role Blocker - same as tracker... pretty much GTD they have to do null results, which always look bad. and they could still get caught if someone does have that last letter with a result.
Jail Keeper - OK this woulllllddd be good, bc they could make the same claim as Watcher (proc ADK every night). The issue here is that if there is that "other letter" and it is RB or JK... while it would look fine right then, if we did find skum on the next lynch it would limit the lynch pool to PRs (bc if LL is skum here then the set up is 2 letters or 3 letters, and we already had RB flip... so next flip would be *NOT* one of the roles that makes sense if there was another letter)... and actually even then that is a double letter claim so, even with one other letter potentially left to claim behind it is risky.
Virgin - bad. looks skummy.
Commuter - bad. if there is a commuter or a BG or a Virgin, that is a lot of letters again.
Bodyguard - OK. Claim to target ADK everynight, same as above.
PGO - bad. skummish, and safe. like the same for all the single letter ones in this spot. Double letter is just more believable.
Vig - OK this could of been a claim. Except the whole MM/E! thing would bring into question maybe why not shoot E!. But also, meh on that. So they could of picked this. But then again, navigating the kill and all is complicated once it is public in that spot.
Spirit - Never.
So, I guess the the points against them would be that Watcher would of been just like the best all around claim to make. However, if I were watcher in their spot, I would of done what they claim to of done... so it kind of just comes down to the jumping of the gun in the order of claims. I guess the key thing to take away from that is if they were skum they would of known it was safe.
Now.... on the other hand, where LL is town...
Everyone else claimed VT.
- E claimed prior, which regardless of alignment, they claim VT there.
- Then they claimed, bringing the total letter count to 4 [VV+II]
- Then Swowl claims VT. I will admit, if I were skum here I would probably claim VT. Even if I were skum with someone else that had not claimed, it would mean that I knew there were 4-6 letters in play... so claiming would be risky.
- Then Yuma claims VT. They could of claimed, but again, same concept as "if swowl had one person behind", there is still a risk. Unless they are skum with WCD, in which case they for sure could of safely claimed something.
- Last was WCD, who obviously could of safely claimed anything up to 2 letters, but did not.
So essentially skum exists in either LL/VT or VT/VT. If LL chose to claim VT and is skum knowing there are no other roles, then that would be a lynch pool strictly of all VT players, a pool of 2 skum out of 5 players. If they are skum fake claiming, knowing there will be no other claims, then that would be us looking in a pool of 4 VTs, where there is 1 skum out of 4 VTs.
So yeah... it goes against my previous read on E/LL not being a likely combo, but I guess just looking at LL it is possible.
I had not thought about it before in the mind set regarding that skum would of known exactly what was safe with such a limited amount of players left based on what they rolled.
Thoughts?
PPE2
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So essentially skum exists in either LL/VT or VT/VT. If LL chose to claim VT and is skum knowing there are no other roles, then that would be a lynch pool strictly of all VT players, a pool of 2 skum out of 5 players. If they are skum fake claiming, knowing there will be no other claims, then that would be us looking in a pool of 4 VTs, where there is 1 skum out of 4 VTs.
This math is wrong. ADK - is not factored in. It would be 2 skum out of 4 players if they claim VT and 1 skum out of 3 players if they claim PR. (again, in this case, assuming they are skum)
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Vote Count 4.4
2.71828..... (2): LaLight, WestCoastDidds
No Lynch (2): Swowl,2.71828.....
Not Voting (2): yuma, A Drowned Kernel
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 lasts until June 18, 2020, 04:30:00 pm.
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But really, we were working mislynch vs. mislynch vs. mislynch all of D2/D3.
Scum could sit back and relax. Looking for acti-lurkers here (Yuma, anyone)
I mean that means there was a HELL of a day 1 bus. Do you really think that is that likely? Considering you hammered right? so If you are town that means they all went there or sat there knowing all these town players could just hammer for the day 1 lynch. how does that like... make sense?
Look at LaLight's last post for D1. Look at how many votes were on Joseph at the time.
They never meant to bus like they did, but will take the town cred for it
then again, no.
I was inline at the wnd of the day and didn't post.
I don't think you have mentioned before that you were online, but didn't post during that time. Why?
because this is unprovable
Sorry I was unclear. I meant to ask why you didn't post during that time. I mean you aren't under any sort of obligation to post during that time, but it was a long chunk and significant events had happened. You are saying you could have, but didn't post then? That is my why?
i am not 100% sure, I was just waiting for Joseph flip and didn't really feel like weighing in really
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I claimed early, because I was sure there will be 1v1, and by claiming early I am in a better position about this. Also when we lynch scum, whatever they will flip, my claim will be proved truthful.
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e/LL doesn't seem like a possible combo to me because of the whole restless spirit confusion thing
Swowl, is e still your top scum pick?
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WCD is town.
Part of the reason my level of enthusiasm and play has been meh this game is because it felt complicated and my role was boring. I’ve been in lots of moving parts games lately and this one had a complicated set up that you all have WAY more experience with than I do.
At no time have I ever given any of you any hope that I am next-level scum. I wouldn’t have been on Joseph early and rather steadily, I wouldn’t have let ADK live, I wouldn’t have killed Space or Calamitis. If I’m scum I kill ADK and then Swowl, LL, or e because are the people who know me best and could find me out. I am not next-level scum. I have no doubt that if I was scum, you’d have lynched me early on.
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WCD is town.
Part of the reason my level of enthusiasm and play has been meh this game is because it felt complicated and my role was boring. I’ve been in lots of moving parts games lately and this one had a complicated set up that you all have WAY more experience with than I do.
At no time have I ever given any of you any hope that I am next-level scum. I wouldn’t have been on Joseph early and rather steadily, I wouldn’t have let ADK live, I wouldn’t have killed Space or Calamitis. If I’m scum I kill ADK and then Swowl, LL, or e because are the people who know me best and could find me out. I am not next-level scum. I have no doubt that if I was scum, you’d have lynched me early on.
How much do you trust LL?
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WCD is town.
Part of the reason my level of enthusiasm and play has been meh this game is because it felt complicated and my role was boring. I’ve been in lots of moving parts games lately and this one had a complicated set up that you all have WAY more experience with than I do.
At no time have I ever given any of you any hope that I am next-level scum. I wouldn’t have been on Joseph early and rather steadily, I wouldn’t have let ADK live, I wouldn’t have killed Space or Calamitis. If I’m scum I kill ADK and then Swowl, LL, or e because are the people who know me best and could find me out. I am not next-level scum. I have no doubt that if I was scum, you’d have lynched me early on.
How much do you trust LL?
I am deeply scarred by some of my previous losses to him, so I am more wary than not. When his name gets linked to mine over and over again, it makes me think he has to be town. I currently trust him more than Yuma, not as much as Swowl.
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WCD is town.
Part of the reason my level of enthusiasm and play has been meh this game is because it felt complicated and my role was boring. I’ve been in lots of moving parts games lately and this one had a complicated set up that you all have WAY more experience with than I do.
At no time have I ever given any of you any hope that I am next-level scum. I wouldn’t have been on Joseph early and rather steadily, I wouldn’t have let ADK live, I wouldn’t have killed Space or Calamitis. If I’m scum I kill ADK and then Swowl, LL, or e because are the people who know me best and could find me out. I am not next-level scum. I have no doubt that if I was scum, you’d have lynched me early on.
Went back and re-read D1 Didds, and I have to say...I find her townie.
I went with my logic and facts about wagons for leading mislynches on Dylan and mail-mi, going with my gut here.
1 Scum didn't want to "quick lynch" me when I was sitting at 3 votes. 1 scum is on the wagon already.
LaLight/Yuma team
Lynch Yuma, the flip will show if LaLight is lying or telling the truth.
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WCD, would you consider a yuma lynch today? Rather than lynching me
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WCD is town.
Part of the reason my level of enthusiasm and play has been meh this game is because it felt complicated and my role was boring. I’ve been in lots of moving parts games lately and this one had a complicated set up that you all have WAY more experience with than I do.
At no time have I ever given any of you any hope that I am next-level scum. I wouldn’t have been on Joseph early and rather steadily, I wouldn’t have let ADK live, I wouldn’t have killed Space or Calamitis. If I’m scum I kill ADK and then Swowl, LL, or e because are the people who know me best and could find me out. I am not next-level scum. I have no doubt that if I was scum, you’d have lynched me early on.
How much do you trust LL?
I am deeply scarred by some of my previous losses to him, so I am more wary than not. When his name gets linked to mine over and over again, it makes me think he has to be town. I currently trust him more than Yuma, not as much as Swowl.
So you don't like my e/swowl hypothesis?
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I do not support a yuma lynch and promise to use my governor power on him if y'all lynch him
Looking back at everything, I think in terms of scumminess of posts (I might put in some effort to go back and quote stuff to clarify this), that for me it goes, e -> didds -> lalight -> swowl
But I don't think that e/didds or e/lalight are likely pairings based on the interactions
So I'll keep plugging away at figuring this out
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yes, lynching yuma is bad. I feel like 2.7 is grasping at straws
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WCD is town.
Part of the reason my level of enthusiasm and play has been meh this game is because it felt complicated and my role was boring. I’ve been in lots of moving parts games lately and this one had a complicated set up that you all have WAY more experience with than I do.
At no time have I ever given any of you any hope that I am next-level scum. I wouldn’t have been on Joseph early and rather steadily, I wouldn’t have let ADK live, I wouldn’t have killed Space or Calamitis. If I’m scum I kill ADK and then Swowl, LL, or e because are the people who know me best and could find me out. I am not next-level scum. I have no doubt that if I was scum, you’d have lynched me early on.
How much do you trust LL?
I am deeply scarred by some of my previous losses to him, so I am more wary than not. When his name gets linked to mine over and over again, it makes me think he has to be town. I currently trust him more than Yuma, not as much as Swowl.
So you don't like my e/swowl hypothesis?
I do not hate it, as hypotheses go. If e is scum, then I think its's either swowl or yuma. I know that I have a blind spot for swowl, but I am also aware that yuma hasn't been as present as he'd like to be but perhaps that changes if we get scum today and have to win it together tomorrow. e pushing yuma makes yuma look townier to me.
if the scum team is LL/yuma, then I just suck at this game and deserve to lose
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yes, lynching yuma is bad. I feel like 2.7 is grasping at straws
I am. All my solid ideas were wrong
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I should quit trying to convince people of things.
Here is the thing. I think lynching LaLight is pointless here, even if they are scum.
The choice is between me and Yuma/swowl/WCD
I feel like I am scummy because I have been active and trying to find scum. Which I am just really bad at doing this game at least.
I feel like the only thing this game I could have done more to help town was get myself lynched d2
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Nah, that's no fun.
I will keep arguing and fighting for survival.
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We may lose, but it will be a glorious loss
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I should quit trying to convince people of things.
Here is the thing. I think lynching LaLight is pointless here, even if they are scum.
The choice is between me and Yuma/swowl/WCD
I feel like I am scummy because I have been active and trying to find scum. Which I am just really bad at doing this game at least.
I feel like the only thing this game I could have done more to help town was get myself lynched d2
Why is lynching lalight pointless?
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Lalight, did you get the same result all the nights?
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I should quit trying to convince people of things.
Here is the thing. I think lynching LaLight is pointless here, even if they are scum.
The choice is between me and Yuma/swowl/WCD
I feel like I am scummy because I have been active and trying to find scum. Which I am just really bad at doing this game at least.
I feel like the only thing this game I could have done more to help town was get myself lynched d2
Why is lynching lalight pointless?
If LaLight is lying, the partner scum will flip either 1-shot ninja or goon.
Which then guarantees LaLight is scum.
If the partner flips 2-shot ninja or strongman, LaLight is IC
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Lalight, did you get the same result all the nights?
yes. nobody targeted you
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e/LL doesn't seem like a possible combo to me because of the whole restless spirit confusion thing
Swowl, is e still your top scum pick?
Yes?
I’ll give you trying to look for the last one is proving hard, assuming he is skum, but yes... still E.
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I should quit trying to convince people of things.
Here is the thing. I think lynching LaLight is pointless here, even if they are scum.
The choice is between me and Yuma/swowl/WCD
I feel like I am scummy because I have been active and trying to find scum. Which I am just really bad at doing this game at least.
I feel like the only thing this game I could have done more to help town was get myself lynched d2
Why is lynching lalight pointless?
If LaLight is lying, the partner scum will flip either 1-shot ninja or goon.
Which then guarantees LaLight is scum.
If the partner flips 2-shot ninja or strongman, LaLight is IC
So, this logic makes 100% sense. I think.
"If there are only 2 letters and LL is lying, and we lynch their partner we will find out. If LL is telling the truth and there are 4 letter and we lynch a skum, their flip will IC LL." Right?
The downside is obviously if LL is in fact lying and and we lynch town instead... then that is pretty much it. But still, I think the right play is to remove LL from the table today.
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i think 2.7 and swan came into the day with the plan for swan to bus 2.7, but now they are deflecting
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i think 2.7 and swan came into the day with the plan for swan to bus 2.7, but now they are deflecting
I am so done with this conspiracy theory. I have been pushing him for two straight days.
Vote: E!
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pretty sure everyone knows. but that is L-1
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i think 2.7 and swan came into the day with the plan for swan to bus 2.7, but now they are deflecting
I am so done with this conspiracy theory. I have been pushing him for two straight days.
Vote: E!
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Vote Count 4.5
2.71828..... (3): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl
No Lynch (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (2): yuma, A Drowned Kernel
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 lasts until June 18, 2020, 04:30:00 pm.
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Also, as an aside, it makes no sense for me as scum to point out how LaLight becomes IC/proven scum with a scum lynch.
I mean, I believe I will inevitably be lynched and town will lose, but I still have a glimmer of hope
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Also, as an aside, it makes no sense for me as scum to point out how LaLight becomes IC/proven scum with a scum lynch.
I mean, I believe I will inevitably be lynched and town will lose, but I still have a glimmer of hope
I think that you are assuming you will be the lynch. So it will happen, and be found out anyways, so you did it for cred.
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Also, as an aside, it makes no sense for me as scum to point out how LaLight becomes IC/proven scum with a scum lynch.
I mean, I believe I will inevitably be lynched and town will lose, but I still have a glimmer of hope
I think that you are assuming you will be the lynch. So it will happen, and be found out anyways, so you did it for cred.
So I am scum with.......Yuma or WCD?
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Also, as an aside, it makes no sense for me as scum to point out how LaLight becomes IC/proven scum with a scum lynch.
I mean, I believe I will inevitably be lynched and town will lose, but I still have a glimmer of hope
I think that you are assuming you will be the lynch. So it will happen, and be found out anyways, so you did it for cred.
So I am scum with.......Yuma or WCD?
my current working theory is yuma
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I tried making arguments, not working. Time for a different tactic
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We may lose, but it will be a glorious loss
(https://i.ibb.co/TYRdX1h/It-will-be-z43udh.jpg)
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vote: e
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Probably not much chance of getting governed when the governor hammers...
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GG everyone, I had a lot of fun even though it was probably the nail in the coffin this last day
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I love the memes!
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Twilight lasts, what, 12 hours? Can we vote to shorten twilight?
Vote: twilight ends after everyone has posted since the final vote count
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I love the memes!
If only you could have unvoted and joined me in trying to lynch actual scum.
Unless you are scum. Are you?
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I love the memes!
If only you could have unvoted and joined me in trying to lynch actual scum.
Unless you are scum. Are you?
You can say now, I have already been lynched
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Also, WCD is scum because she switched her profile so you can't see online status.
LaLight has always been like that, but I don't remember WCD doing it
Confession: as scum in previous games I have toggled my online status on/off depending on what is going on.
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Nope, not scum.
And I turned off the online status long ago. I don’t remember why....
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joined me in trying to lynch actual scum.
Says the person voting for no lynch
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Quote fail
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joined me in trying to lynch actual scum.
Says the person voting for no lynch
Ah, yes. I did end up with my vote on no Lynch
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Double quote fail
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Day 4 Final Vote Count
2.71828..... (4): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel
No Lynch (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (1): yuma
With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
Twilight starts now and lasts 12 hours.
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Day 4 Final Vote Count
2.71828..... (4): LaLight, WestCoastDidds, Swowl, A Drowned Kernel
No Lynch (1): 2.71828.....
Not Voting (1): yuma
With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
Twilight starts now and lasts 12 hours.
Can't you just say "before I go to bed"
Like, 12 hours is 3am, so really more like, I don't know, 17 hours?
Haha. I guess there is no rush.
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All the more time for ADK to govern me
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Before we lose
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This footloose and fancy free version of e is so completely different than any other version of him that I have ever played with that I can't even tell if he is trolling us or sincere.
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This footloose and fancy free version of e is so completely different than any other version of him that I have ever played with that I can't even tell if he is trolling us or sincere.
Working from home has really caught up to me
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All the more time for ADK to govern me
If I governor you, who should we lynch tomorrow?
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All the more time for ADK to govern me
If I governor you, who should we lynch tomorrow?
yuma
swowl and WCD have both had reactions and such today that make me believe they are town.
LaLight I have explained why we shouldn't lynch
Definitely not lynching the IC (ADK)
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Of course, based on yuma's flip, one of them may have to be scum based on PoE.
Or we could very well lose if Yuma flips town. But I don't think that happens
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I do not support a yuma lynch and promise to use my governor power on him if y'all lynch him
Looking back at everything, I think in terms of scumminess of posts (I might put in some effort to go back and quote stuff to clarify this), that for me it goes, e -> didds -> lalight -> swowl
But I don't think that e/didds or e/lalight are likely pairings based on the interactions
So I'll keep plugging away at figuring this out
But that probably isn't the answer you wanted to hear
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#discredittheIC
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I mean, I highly doubt you are going to governor me, you are probably just asking to try to get some sort of read off of me for an alleged "tomorrow"
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I mean, I highly doubt you are going to governor me, you are probably just asking to try to get some sort of read off of me for an alleged "tomorrow"
How do you know that I haven't already put in the order?
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This footloose and fancy free version of e is so completely different than any other version of him that I have ever played with that I can't even tell if he is trolling us or sincere.
Working from home has really caught up to me
We are now your outlet for fun and hijinks!! For the record, I think mafia would be WAY more fun if everyone had to post a meme every day.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/5aYnClthKIx16wtr0i/giphy.gif)
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I mean, I highly doubt you are going to governor me, you are probably just asking to try to get some sort of read off of me for an alleged "tomorrow"
How do you know that I haven't already put in the order?
I don't. But based on your posts throughout the day I don't think so.
Unless.... You spent the whole day lying about your thoughts to see who would sheep you in order to catch scum
It's brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!
And then....
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(https://i.imgflip.com/45ceji.jpg)
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Or the non-flip because governor
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How’s baby e doing?
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omg math term for "baby E" would be square root of E!... just go with it... because it is denoted as -SQRT(e).
thats freeking awesome.
Also I am here, for the remainder of twilight.
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How’s baby e doing?
Great! We have started him on some "real" food and learned a few things:
- bananas are literally the best thing that ever existed
- sweet potatoes are pretty good too.
- red peppers are of the devil and not to be trusted
- avacados are also not to be trusted, unless they are mixed with banana
- spinach can be blended up and hidden in anything
And others, but that is a pretty good primer
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How’s baby e doing?
Great! We have started him on some "real" food and learned a few things:
- bananas are literally the best thing that ever existed
- sweet potatoes are pretty good too.
- red peppers are of the devil and not to be trusted
- avacados are also not to be trusted, unless they are mixed with banana
- spinach can be blended up and hidden in anything
And others, but that is a pretty good primer
That’s a discerning palate. I’m sure he’ll come to trust avocados more. They are amazing.
I also like that peas, green beans, and carrots are not yet making the cut. They for sure can’t be trusted.
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But really, he absolutely loves food. He cries every time he finishes eating. I totally overfed him once. He was just eating and eating, always asking for more. I did a quick Google search and Google was like, "as long as they are showing hunger signs and along for more, he is good"
Lies.
Nothing real bad happened, just some extra spit up. But totally overate
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How’s baby e doing?
Great! We have started him on some "real" food and learned a few things:
- bananas are literally the best thing that ever existed
- sweet potatoes are pretty good too.
- red peppers are of the devil and not to be trusted
- avacados are also not to be trusted, unless they are mixed with banana
- spinach can be blended up and hidden in anything
And others, but that is a pretty good primer
That’s a discerning palate. I’m sure he’ll come to trust avocados more. They are amazing.
I also like that peas, green beans, and carrots are not yet making the cut. They for sure can’t be trusted.
We are making food and freezing it in little ice cube trays, transferring to a freezer bag, then using for a while.
We actually only just had our second cooking session.
Exhibit 1: sweet potato and chicken (blended into a mush (I forget the fancy word) shortly after this picture)
(https://i.ibb.co/3CTp5bM/IMG-20200529-211010.jpg)
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But really, he absolutely loves food. He cries every time he finishes eating. I totally overfed him once. He was just eating and eating, always asking for more. I did a quick Google search and Google was like, "as long as they are showing hunger signs and along for more, he is good"
Lies.
Nothing real bad happened, just some extra spit up. But totally overate
And that wasn’t even ice cream or tacos. Kids gonna be a champ!
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Looks like I missed my chance. I almost got started on being in this yesterday but got distracted by adorably non-sleepy children and instead roasted marshmellows. #worthit #veganmarshmellowsarereallygood #noregrets #iatefive #idohaveregrets
Guess I'll wait to say much else for tomorrow, if there is one.
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Looks like I missed my chance. I almost got started on being in this yesterday but got distracted by adorably non-sleepy children and instead roasted marshmellows. #worthit #veganmarshmellowsarereallygood #noregrets #iatefive #idohaveregrets
Guess I'll wait to say much else for tomorrow, if there is one.
5 marshmallows is totally a serving. No regrets!
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And then, as the paramedics arrived and faust was pushing all of the button to try and change the milk output, the kitchen-o-matic gave a low rumble.
"To activate emergency shutdown, press 5", said the voice on the telephone. "That's probably necessary..." thought faust, and pressed.
The paramedic just pulled up outside of the house when they saw the explosion. Swaths of milk spilled outside of the broken windows, followed by fire.
2.71828..... has been lynched! They were a Vanilla Townie!
A Drowned Kernel, LaLight and WestCoastDidds have been endgamed.
The scum team of Joseph2302, Swowl and yuma wins!
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weee breathing out finally.
good game everyone! was fun!
thanks for the game faust!
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Gee wiz.
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It was swowl and Yuma
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I was super confident in Yuma by the end, swowl had me going though
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Also, Dylan and mail-mi, is was an honest tunnel. No scum motivation there.
I just had pretty bad reads this game
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I mean, who knows...even with a correct yuma lynch swowl could have very well won in the end.
But the LaLight strategy was correct.
Speccy? Mafia qt?
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I mean, the speccy basically thought it was you as well, so we wouldn't have done any better that day.
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Speccy link (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/3mqJVmTrYB2)
Mafia QT (https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/gtDwk2cfhkJ)
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Man, just a bit slower and swowl would have taken the D1 hammer.
That is an interesting "what if"
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But still, 1 on/1 off instinct was right, I just went for all the wrong people off wagon
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Really was super paranoid about ADK doing exactly what E! said the whole time... Was legit wondering if we were gonna get a flip or not at the end there.
Also read speccy - Thanks Space!
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hell :(
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Goddammit
Sorry, e
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Ugh....I had the distinct feeling that Swan was doing a bit too much of the driving, but didn't say anything because everyone else was so town on him. I'm not sure I'd have picked yuma for his buddy, tho. GG guys. E, I'm sorry I don't trust you, but I freaking love the twilight meme time.
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That was fun. Sorry I wasn't around more. COVID is taking over my life.
Swowl was awesome. Great job. Bussing Joseph *sorry!!! was maybe the wrong move. I don't know... but turned pretty good.
I reallllly thought ADK was setting me up to hammer e, save him and then go for me. Both swowl and I sitting on the hammer and not taking it was pretty crazy for a bit there.
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That was fun. Sorry I wasn't around more. COVID is taking over my life.
Swowl was awesome. Great job. Bussing Joseph *sorry!!! was maybe the wrong move. I don't know... but turned pretty good.
I reallllly thought ADK was setting me up to hammer e, save him and then go for me. Both swowl and I sitting on the hammer and not taking it was pretty crazy for a bit there.
Probably the right move as I probably would have done just that if you had hammered right away
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Thanks for the game faust and Mix!
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hey guys! come join the Dragomborn Mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20398.msg843311#msg843311) amd my return to modding after years!
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In two games right now, but I'll consider it.