/in if there's still a spot.
How will you decide when to start this?/in if there's still a spot.
There are infinite spots
How will you decide when to start this?/in if there's still a spot.
There are infinite spots
How much of a commitment would this be? I haven't been playing because I've been too busy, but this could maybe work...
Oh and /in
This is probably a bad idea. \in.
It looks like there is not. I’m available as a replacement.
It looks like there is not. I’m available as a replacement.
There are an infinite number of spots.
Only if an infinite number of people sign upIt looks like there is not. I’m available as a replacement.
There are an infinite number of spots.
Only if an infinite number of people sign upIt looks like there is not. I’m available as a replacement.
There are an infinite number of spots.
I don’t want to get left out of a bastard game, and would feel bad creasing it if I weren’t /in, so...
Hi Brightgalrs! If this is your first game on the forum, make sure you understand the rules, as well signing the civility pledge. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0)Done.
If you go make a post here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?board=24.0 you won't have to do that any more.And done.
Only if an infinite number of people sign upIt looks like there is not. I’m available as a replacement.
There are an infinite number of spots.
But then what if another infinite number of people want to sign up after that?
Only if an infinite number of people sign upIt looks like there is not. I’m available as a replacement.
There are an infinite number of spots.
But then what if another infinite number of people want to sign up after that?
Then every existing player moves to the spot that's the double of their current position, and the new players take the free spots
/hammer
Dibs on SK
/hammer
Quick check because I'm getting nervous: how many people read the setup?Yes it's a random selection from the c. 150 roles listed on mafiascum for that setup
Quick check because I'm getting nervous: how many people read the setup?
Maybe you should run this as a blitz or semi blitz.
Quick check because I'm getting nervous: how many people read the setup?
Quick check because I'm getting nervous: how many people read the setup?
Your mom read the setup
Quick check because I'm getting nervous: how many people read the setup?
Think about how long it will take Joseph to kill 18 people!Maybe you should run this as a blitz or semi blitz.
Seven days with 19 people is already going to feel quick I think. But I'm open to the idea.
There will likely be multiple kill options per nightThink about how long it will take Joseph to kill 18 people!Maybe you should run this as a blitz or semi blitz.
Seven days with 19 people is already going to feel quick I think. But I'm open to the idea.
Are we playing with replicants or nah?
No-one gets to say f.ds is dead now.
I just skimmed the setup!f.ds is dead now!
No-one gets to say f.ds is dead now.
f.ds is dead now!
I just skimmed the setup!f.ds is dead now!
I think we badly need a ridiculous, silly, blow-off-some-steam game. Or maybe that's just me.+1
I'm very bad at math compared to most of this forum so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Is the chance of getting dealt two Vanilla Townie cards about 0.61%?I made it 0.62% but yes
well, I think for one, that it would be cooler to take this setup seriously because it seems cool though may be broken. But I'll go with the flow, of course
I just read the setup link and it sounds like the designer actually takes this setup seriously.
I think we badly need a ridiculous, silly, blow-off-some-steam game. Or maybe that's just me.
you guys play mafia here?
/in :)
you guys play mafia here?
/in :)
Oh my God, hi!
you guys play mafia here?Niiiccce
/in :)
when abouts does this plan to fire?
How do investigative roles interact with the role changing abilities?
I.e. if a player is targetted by 2 others players A and B, where A gets information on their alignment (e.g. cop) and B changes someone's alignment?
Will player A get the player's old or new alignment?
you guys play mafia here?
/in :)
Will the lynchbait replace the lynch targets of both lynchers, or be in addition?
Does a lyncher winning end the game?
When someone wins the game, do they leave the game?
I bookmarked your list for future reference when modding. You have a typo under Alien Silencer - you say the target will use the ability to vote. I think it must be Lose, right?
you guys play mafia here?
/in :)
Oh my God, hi!
Oh that's interesting, I didn't think you'd tell us who discarded the role.
Interestingly, I'm the only person who discarded VTForget that, I'm not
I'd say the hierarchy approximately goes:
- Power (town)
- Power (scum)
- Low tier goon (scum)
- Situational utility (town)
- Vanilla townie
- Practically suicidal (any)
- Negative utility (town)
Why is town more likely to be picked than scum?I touched on this above:
Why did I put town power roles at the top? Because faced with the decision of wacky alien roles #5 and town doctor, it'd be hard to justify why you discarded the doctor role.It's hard to justify giving up a role like doctor or bloodhound.
Hey all.If I had the choice, I definitely would have chosen it
Vote: Joseph
... because eventually he is gonna actually be the SK.
Awaclus discarded Vengeful Townie
faust discarded Werewolf Miller
pubby discarded Conspiracy Theorist
e discarded Retired Werewolf Hunter
MiX discarded Lynchbait
Joseph2302 discarded Vanilla Towni
SpaceAnemone discarded Innocent Child
WestCoastDidds discarded Underdog
Glooble discarded Mason Lover
pingpongsam discarded One-Shot Unlynchable Townie
DatSwan discarded Nurse
sudgy discarded Werewolf
Brightgalrs discarded Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie
mail-mi discarded Hirsute Townie
jotheonah discarded Mason
Uncleeurope discarded Mafia Goon
Galzria discarded Bodyguard
shraeye discarded Compulsive Childkiller
EFHW discarded Alien One-Shot Unlynchable
LaLight discarded Lyncher (target player below)
Eevee discarded Vanilla Townie
Raerae discarded Vanilla Townie
Archetype discarded Mafia Reflexive Doctor
Vote: Joseph
Wagons!
Townie flips: EFHW
Somewhat townie flips: sudgy, Uncle, Awaclus
Scummy flips: pubby, Space, pps
Scum flips: joth, Glooble
Horray for setup! Awaclus' flip is interesting...
Vote: Joseph
Wagons!
But the bigger wagon is joth.
Townie flips: EFHW
Somewhat townie flips: sudgy, Uncle, Awaclus
Scummy flips: pubby, Space, pps
Scum flips: joth, Glooble
Horray for setup! Awaclus' flip is interesting...
Why on earth would you be surprised that I'd pass on a a role that works best for people with good reads? :-P
Also, wow, I wasn't expecting people to be playing this game so seriously.
Hey all.If I had the choice, I definitely would have chosen it
Vote: Joseph
... because eventually he is gonna actually be the SK.
Townie flips: EFHW
Somewhat townie flips: sudgy, Uncle, Awaclus
Scummy flips: pubby, Space, pps
Scum flips: joth, Glooble
Horray for setup! Awaclus' flip is interesting...
Why on earth would you be surprised that I'd pass on a a role that works best for people with good reads? :-P
Also, wow, I wasn't expecting people to be playing this game so seriously.
Seriously? This is what I do for fun!
I would expect for you to keep a role that gets heat off your back and people to listen to you on command. I know I would.
Cool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
But anyway, I think it’s a bit much to assume a universal hierarchy of role choices among 23 people. I know for a fact there are people who would pick scum over town 100% of the time just because they enjoy playing scum more. Heck I’m one of those people. Unfortunately both my choices were super strong town roles.Yeah. But it's good to start from a place of logic, isn't it.
Hi Brighty! Welcome!Thanks it's good to be here. "Bright" is fine. And he/him. USA. Graduated grad school earlier this year. Linked me to the thread and commanded me to join. A bit, I played on the Heaven Games forums, my last game was probably more than 5 years ago.
What should we call you? Where are you at? What’s going on in your life? How did pubby get you to join?? How much experience do you have playing? That long lost was legit so you are clearly no newbie to the game.
Also, I call BS on Brightgalr’a analysis.
Also, hi Bright, welcome to the forum, tell us about your pronouns and your favorite breakfast cereal.
But anyway, I think it’s a bit much to assume a universal hierarchy of role choices among 23 people. I know for a fact there are people who would pick scum over town 100% of the time just because they enjoy playing scum more. Heck I’m one of those people. Unfortunately both my choices were super strong town roles.
Cool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
Hey joth are you a mason bud?
SpaceAnemone discarded Innocent Child
This is actually incredibly scummy. Why would space ever choose anything other than IC? I think we should force a claim here, but I reeeeally don't think space would pick scum knowing they would flip discarding IC. But why do the same as town? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Townie flips: EFHW
Somewhat townie flips: sudgy, Uncle, Awaclus
Scummy flips: pubby, Space, pps
Scum flips: joth, Glooble
People should keep in mind that "desire to be scum" is a function of not only personal preference, but also time passed since last scum game.
I like voting MiX as much as the next human, but it’s just Space all the way here.Alienslip!
I like voting MiX as much as the next human, but it’s just Space all the way here.Alienslip!
Important statistics that are never wrong:
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
Important statistics that are never wrong:I don't follow. How do you know?
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
I used my very big brainTM to get the number of how many cards of each category are expected to be dealt, and subtracted the number of discards in that category.Important statistics that are never wrong:I don't follow. How do you know?
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
At least your mom must be town!Important statistics that are never wrong:
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
This is wrong, at least 12 must be town.
Important statistics that are never wrong:
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
Yes.Important statistics that are never wrong:
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
Alright, I need some help. Some of the roles in the setup linked post don’t have information....
Are the werewolves just another scum faction? Are they different than mafia?
What are aliens?
The third parties so have seen so far have been survivors, cultists, and then the role I discarded which was just a place holder until an alignment was decided after a death. Are there other kinds of third parties?
Thank you!
Important statistics that are never wrong:
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
Alright, I need some help. Some of the roles in the setup linked post don’t have information....
Are the werewolves just another scum faction? Are they different than mafia?
What are aliens?
The third parties so have seen so far have been survivors, cultists, and then the role I discarded which was just a place holder until an alignment was decided after a death. Are there other kinds of third parties?
Thank you!
What if instead of mass claiming we all just claimed why we discarded what we discarded?What if instead of fishing for claims we lynched a scum?
Also, can you really call it a third party in this game? Isn't it more like a fourth, fifth, or sixth party? There's no way we ended up with just one scum team.Personally, I'm in favor of all scum factions claiming their existence so we can settle this dispute.
Actually, vote: Eevee
joth and Space must have powerful roles regardless of alignment. If they are scum, now there's other scum out there who want to kill them. Let scum do that killing for us.
Vote: JosephOMGUS
Wagons!
Also, why are people voting Joseph? Who here wouldn't discard VT?
Also, why are people voting Joseph? Who here wouldn't discard VT?
I’d prefer to be a VT over scum. I don’t think Jospeh would. That’s the whole of my reason. It is not a good reason, but whatevs...the game is like 8 hrs old.
Also, why are people voting Joseph? Who here wouldn't discard VT?
I’d prefer to be a VT over scum. I don’t think Jospeh would. That’s the whole of my reason. It is not a good reason, but whatevs...the game is like 8 hrs old.
Didds is town.
Also, why are people voting Joseph? Who here wouldn't discard VT?
I’d prefer to be a VT over scum. I don’t think Jospeh would. That’s the whole of my reason. It is not a good reason, but whatevs...the game is like 8 hrs old.
Also, why are people voting Joseph? Who here wouldn't discard VT?
I’d prefer to be a VT over scum. I don’t think Jospeh would. That’s the whole of my reason. It is not a good reason, but whatevs...the game is like 8 hrs old.
Didds is town.
Actually, depends on what she thought of Underdog. Didds, can you tell us more about your opinion on that role?
Also, why are people voting Joseph? Who here wouldn't discard VT?
I’d prefer to be a VT over scum. I don’t think Jospeh would. That’s the whole of my reason. It is not a good reason, but whatevs...the game is like 8 hrs old.
Didds is town.
Actually, depends on what she thought of Underdog. Didds, can you tell us more about your opinion on that role?
Well, from my understanding it is nothing until the first day death, and then it shares that wincon. I mean we usually f it up and lynch town, but sometimes we lynch scum. I wouldn’t want to end up as scum! So, I went with for-sure town choice. I honestly can’t imagine anyone choosing to be an underdog. Am I missing something?
Hmm..........
Would you pick underdog over scum? Why?
Cool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
Good morning, friends! I hope you are all easing into super fun weekend mode.
No way Joth gives up Mason unless there was something much more interesting to choose, but I have a hard time believing he’d give up a QT to be scum. He’s def not one of the folks who wants to be scum.
So, who wants or likes to be scum, generally? Vote: Joseph
Yes.Important statistics that are never wrong:
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
Alright, I need some help. Some of the roles in the setup linked post don’t have information....
Are the werewolves just another scum faction? Are they different than mafia?
What are aliens?
The third parties so have seen so far have been survivors, cultists, and then the role I discarded which was just a place holder until an alignment was decided after a death. Are there other kinds of third parties?
Thank you!
No.
Scum faction with only a 1-shot nighkill.
Yes. Further information here (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Greater_Idea_Mafia/RolePMs).
Cool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
I'm down for keeping joth alive today for this phrase and this phrase only. Fight me.
Good morning, friends! I hope you are all easing into super fun weekend mode.
No way Joth gives up Mason unless there was something much more interesting to choose, but I have a hard time believing he’d give up a QT to be scum. He’s def not one of the folks who wants to be scum.
So, who wants or likes to be scum, generally? Vote: Joseph
But scum also have a QT, friend.
Also all millers should claim now least they become viable fakeclaims. I trust everyone knows who could be miller based on discards, and I would like for those people to claim "I am (not) a miller".
Also all millers should claim now least they become viable fakeclaims. I trust everyone knows who could be miller based on discards, and I would like for those people to claim "I am (not) a miller".
This is as true now as it was when I said it and everyone ignored it.
I am not a miller.
I don't get it. Is the point of claiming miller just to help cops?
I don't get it. Is the point of claiming miller just to help cops?
The point of claiming miller is just to eliminate a fake claim that a scum member could try to pull off if they have a guilty result on them.
I don't get it. Is the point of claiming miller just to help cops?
The point of claiming miller is just to eliminate a fake claim that a scum member could try to pull off if they have a guilty result on them.
Also, can you really call it a third party in this game? Isn't it more like a fourth, fifth, or sixth party? There's no way we ended up with just one scum team.Personally, I'm in favor of all scum factions claiming their existence so we can settle this dispute.
Day One Start
Brightgalrs discarded Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie
mail-mi discarded Hirsute Townie
Actually, vote: Eevee
joth and Space must have powerful roles regardless of alignment. If they are scum, now there's other scum out there who want to kill them. Let scum do that killing for us.
This is actually a very good point. If we take it into account, we're left with players who discarded okay town roles, but not great ones.
So Galzria, e, DatSwan. Pingpongsam probably? I have no idea how that role plays, but it seems like mostly upside to me.
Space, what say you to MiX's charge that you, specifically, seem like the type of player who would jump at the chance to be an IC.
Why on earth would you be surprised that I'd pass on a a role that works best for people with good reads? :-P
Also, wow, I wasn't expecting people to be playing this game so seriously.
Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
What point?
It's really more of a gradient rather than distinct categories.Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
So you'd put Awaclus in the same category as Space and joth?
Can we have the discards added to the player list on the front page?
Or a link to them?
Not unless they're ventriloquists and have voice recognition software installed.Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
What point?
Oh yeah right yes. But that's what scum would do, town votes with their gut.
It's really more of a gradient rather than distinct categories.Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
So you'd put Awaclus in the same category as Space and joth?
What the hell is going on here.
I'm not sure what my meta has to do with this...It's really more of a gradient rather than distinct categories.Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
So you'd put Awaclus in the same category as Space and joth?
Where do you feel your general meta lands you on our little gradient, then?
I thought we were supposed to only claim if we were a Miller.
You all are doing this all wrong.
Another point: best way to vote in BM......
(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d23 : 8, total 8
I thought we were supposed to only claim if we were a Miller.
You all are doing this all wrong.
Are you a miller?
If we just say "Millers should claim" and leave it at that and then you get copped and claim Miller and we ask "why didn't you claim it day 1?" you can say "because there were a lot of posts and I missed it" or something. But if you claim not miller and then you claim miller, we just get to lynch you because LAL.
And of course if someone said "because there were a lot of posts and I missed it" then we would never think of lynching them, so it is a very good thing that we're spamming the thread with this kind of noise.I thought we were supposed to only claim if we were a Miller.
You all are doing this all wrong.
Are you a miller?
If we just say "Millers should claim" and leave it at that and then you get copped and claim Miller and we ask "why didn't you claim it day 1?" you can say "because there were a lot of posts and I missed it" or something. But if you claim not miller and then you claim miller, we just get to lynch you because LAL.
Also,
Flavor Vote: Holiday Party with all your friends
ADK writes some good stuff, let's see if we can rope them into writing flavor for us
Another point: best way to vote in BM......
(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d23 : 8, total 8
Vote: WCD
Not a miller, will bring dark chocolate chunk shortbread to the holiday party.
Hello.
I am not a miller (I could have been, though).
I’m town
Vote: Sudgy remember when we played newbie mafia together? That was fun.
I probably will not take this game seriously.
Hello.
I am not a miller (I could have been, though).
I’m town
Vote: Sudgy remember when we played newbie mafia together? That was fun.
I probably will not take this game seriously.
Vote: mail-mi for capitalizing my name.
Anyway, I am a Miller. Now, you might ask why the heck I picked a kind of Miller over Werewolf. I always get lynched, so I thought if I discarded a scum role, I would be less likely to get lynched. That said, townread on everybody who discarded scum, and wary scumread on everybody who discarded a strong town role.
Vote: sudgy
I can’t believe the miller claim trap worked!
Vote: sudgy
I can’t believe the miller claim trap worked!
Or are you just saying "we prevented scum with a very tempting fake claim to see who would take it?"
I'm not sure what my meta has to do with this...It's really more of a gradient rather than distinct categories.Vote: Glooble
who for some reason agrees with my point and then continues to play as though he doesn't.
So you'd put Awaclus in the same category as Space and joth?
Where do you feel your general meta lands you on our little gradient, then?
Vote: sudgy
I can’t believe the miller claim trap worked!
Cool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
Cool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
I'm calling it now, you're a fruit vendor
vote: sudgyIt's like meeting an old friend after many, many years, and immediately picking up where we left off.
Good morning, friends! I hope you are all easing into super fun weekend mode.Already caught in a lie, Didds. Joth directly contradicted this immediately BEFORE you said it. You gotta get that reading comprehension checked out ;)
No way Joth gives up Mason unless there was something much more interesting to choose, but I have a hard time believing he’d give up a QT to be scum. He’s def not one of the folks who wants to be scum.
So, who wants or likes to be scum, generally? Vote: Joseph
3 votes in 4 posts, that's gotta be some sort of new record.I've seen bigger
vote: sudgyIt's like meeting an old friend after many, many years, and immediately picking up where we left off.
What the hell is going on here.It's called chaos. Embrace it friend
joth, ignore this questionCool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
I'm calling it now, you're a fruit vendor
Joth, are you a fruit vendor?
Vote: sudgy
I can’t believe the miller claim trap worked!
Vote: sudgy
I can’t believe the miller claim trap worked!
It's been two hours and I still don't know if this was
1. a classic joth joke
2. a serious vote because you think it's a good idea for a mafia player to claim Miller here
3. part of a Xanatos gambit where you're actually the miller
Care to elaborate?
Another point: best way to vote in BM......
(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d23 : 8, total 8
Vote: sudgy
I can’t believe the miller claim trap worked!
It's been two hours and I still don't know if this was
1. a classic joth joke
2. a serious vote because you think it's a good idea for a mafia player to claim Miller here
3. part of a Xanatos gambit where you're actually the miller
Care to elaborate?
Wow I remember reading about Xanatos gambit when I was reading about mafua stuff, what was it?
Cool your jets bro-skis. I turned down mason for a way more fun town role. More powerful? Arguable but I would say yes. More fun? Also arguable but I would say yes.
I'm calling it now, you're a fruit vendor
Joth, are you a fruit vendor?
Another point: best way to vote in BM......
(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d23 : 8, total 8
I was going to suggest this! But also, I vaguely recall random lynch discussion way way back...was using the dice generator considered fine?
Anyway, my thoughts are we should random lynch by first remove anybody who discarded scum from the pool. Do slightly better than purely random. I haven't actually worked out those conditionals yet, but my instinct says that's a good choice.
Vote: sudgy
I can’t believe the miller claim trap worked!
It's been two hours and I still don't know if this was
1. a classic joth joke
2. a serious vote because you think it's a good idea for a mafia player to claim Miller here
3. part of a Xanatos gambit where you're actually the miller
Care to elaborate?
1. that sudgy got to choose between negative utility town and vanilla scum and chose negative-utility town because he just really wanted to be town
2. that sudgy had to choose between two scum roles and decided to claim miller in case he gets copped
Now, you might ask why the heck I picked a kind of Miller over Werewolf. I always get lynched, so I thought if I discarded a scum role, I would be less likely to get lynched.
so you knew our discards would be revealed?
so you knew our discards would be revealed?
Yeah, the setup post says that "Whichever roles were discarded by each player will be public knowledge, revealed at the start of D1."
I'm not a miller. I didn't pick alien because I wasn't guaranteed a partner. One-shot lynchproof isn't that great for an SK. Ironic that joth and Glooble both gave up mason. I would absolutely have taken the IC role, but don't know what it means that Space didn't.
We should all be playing drinking games with e!
If another person votes for me, I'll claim
vote: Joseph
Who doesn't?vote: Joseph
Uhh... Do you think that he is scum? Or do you just want a claim?
vote: EFHW
We should all be playing drinking games with e!
I'm playing chapter 6 of the Scythe campaign mode tonight. There definitely will be drinking, but I think Scythe as a drinking game would be... too much.
We should all be playing drinking games with e!
I'm playing chapter 6 of the Scythe campaign mode tonight. There definitely will be drinking, but I think Scythe as a drinking game would be... too much.
Influence and popularity!! Every time you lose a heart, drink
Okay I'm claiming.
I'm the SK
Okay I'm claiming.
I'm the SK
*Slow clap*
Okay I'm claiming.
I'm the SK
*Slow clap*
*Clap*
Okay I'm claiming.
I'm the SK
*Slow clap*
*Clap*
Enthusiastic clap.
Okay I'm claiming.
I'm the SK
*Slow clap*
*Clap*
Enthusiastic clap.
*Easy Clap* - just cuz it’s my favorite type of clap.
vote: EFHW
Woah, Joth, we are just having a conversation here. No need to get aggressive.
Okay I'm claiming.
I'm the SK
Miller
Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie (Universal Miller)
Werewolf Miller (investigates as Mafia)
Evangelistic Townie (Investigates as Cult)
Tentacled Townie (Investigates as Alien)
Watchlisted Townie (Investigates as Serial Killer)
Conspiracy Theorist (Gets result "Alien" or "Not Alien"; investigates as "Alien")
Hirsute Townie (Investigates as Werewolf)
Vote: Joth wagons!
Save Joseph for later he can kill scum for us
Same reasons apply to sudgy!Vote: Joth wagons!
Save Joseph for later he can kill scum for us
Vote: Joth
So, you're saying...there's no need to lynch somebody you think is scum, other scum will kill them for us.
So....we should...lynch town? No lynch? I don't really understand what you think the alternatives are.
So, you're saying...there's no need to lynch somebody you think is scum, other scum will kill them for us.
So....we should...lynch town? No lynch? I don't really understand what you think the alternatives are.
So, you're saying...there's no need to lynch somebody you think is scum, other scum will kill them for us.
So....we should...lynch town? No lynch? I don't really understand what you think the alternatives are.
shraeye suggested no lunch!!
Vote: shraeye
So, you're saying...there's no need to lynch somebody you think is scum, other scum will kill them for us.
So....we should...lynch town? No lynch? I don't really understand what you think the alternatives are.
shraeye suggested no lunch!!
Vote: shraeye
It's been like a week since the last time I had a lunch. I've been skipping breakfast and sometimes lunch lately to lose some unnecessary weight that I've gained.
It's been like a week since the last time I had a lunch. I've been skipping breakfast and sometimes lunch lately to lose some unnecessary weight that I've gained.
Intermittent fasting! It’s all the rage and highly effective.
But, I prefer lunch.
It's been like a week since the last time I had a lunch. I've been skipping breakfast and sometimes lunch lately to lose some unnecessary weight that I've gained.
Intermittent fasting! It’s all the rage and highly effective.
But, I prefer lunch.
You prefer cake for lunch, Didds. This is Bastard Mafia, we need to be precise.
It's been like a week since the last time I had a lunch. I've been skipping breakfast and sometimes lunch lately to lose some unnecessary weight that I've gained.
Intermittent fasting! It’s all the rage and highly effective.
But, I prefer lunch.
You prefer cake for lunch, Didds. This is Bastard Mafia, we need to be precise.
Doesn’t everyone prefer cake for lunch? What about bastard mafia makes it different? Besides the ongoing belief iby some that it shouldn’t be taken seriously?
If one more person votes for me I’ll dayvig them.
If one more person votes for me I’ll dayvig them.
You took a 1-shot (generally) negative utility role over Mason?
If one more person votes for me I’ll dayvig them.
You took a 1-shot (generally) negative utility role over Mason?
Ok, well that went about as badly as it could have gone but you know what? Dude should not have called my bluff.
One-shot Dayvig
One-shot Dayvig
Mafia One-shot Dayvig
Great.
Dayvig roles:Code: [Select]One-shot Dayvig
One-shot Dayvig
Mafia One-shot Dayvig
Higher than 1/3 chance Joth is scum?
Kinda looks like exactly 1/3...Sure. But looking at his play and considering he passed on mason, IMO mafia vig fits better than town vig.
Kinda looks like exactly 1/3...Sure. But looking at his play and considering he passed on mason, IMO mafia vig fits better than town vig.
Kinda looks like exactly 1/3...Sure. But looking at his play and considering he passed on mason, IMO mafia vig fits better than town vig.
Yeah. Joth picks mafia dayvig over Mason any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I could see him picking town dayvig over Mason if he was in a whimsical mood and committed to not taking the game too seriously, but Mafia seems like a better bet.
Oh joth, that was a riot! It went 200% terribly though.
I'm going to include you twice in my random lynch generating machine.
Kinda looks like exactly 1/3...Sure. But looking at his play and considering he passed on mason, IMO mafia vig fits better than town vig.
Yeah. Joth picks mafia dayvig over Mason any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I could see him picking town dayvig over Mason if he was in a whimsical mood and committed to not taking the game too seriously, but Mafia seems like a better bet.
Look, this is 100% on Awaclus.I didn't know that there was a role in the game the had a posting restriction that compelled you to make a ridiculous threat and then a compulsive dayvig shot. This truly is bastard mafia.
Look, this is 100% on Awaclus.I didn't know that there was a role in the game the had a posting restriction that compelled you to make a ridiculous threat and then a compulsive dayvig shot. This truly is bastard mafia.
I don't think you understand how to negate an implication.Look, this is 100% on Awaclus.I didn't know that there was a role in the game the had a posting restriction that compelled you to make a ridiculous threat and then a compulsive dayvig shot. This truly is bastard mafia.
Look, if there’s one thing I know about being town it’s that you never lie.
If I’d have said that and not followed through, I’d be a liar.
QED, I’m town.
Vote: faust
(https://i.imgur.com/dZDMXQe.png)
I negated you’re mom’s implication last night.I appreciate this, but unfortunately I'm going to continue voting for you.
JOTH OUT!
I negated you’re mom’s implication last night.
JOTH OUT!
Vote: joth he now has a 33% chance of being scum, which I feel is better than most people. He's also become extremely scummy.33% is definitely not better than most people.
Ok, well that went about as badly as it could have gone but you know what? Dude should not have called my bluff.
Look, this is 100% on Awaclus. What did he think was going to happen?
Fuck it
Dayvig: joth
Everyone assumed I wasFuck it
Dayvig: joth
Wait.
Weren't you the SK?
Everyone assumed I wasFuck it
Dayvig: joth
Wait.
Weren't you the SK?
But most people know what happens when you assume
Anyway, I am a Miller. Now, you might ask why the heck I picked a kind of Miller over Werewolf. I always get lynched, so I thought if I discarded a scum role, I would be less likely to get lynched. That said, townread on everybody who discarded scum, and wary scumread on everybody who discarded a strong town role.
I don't believe this claim. Picking Miller just sows discord, it's basically a form of mild suicide, making you more likely to lose. Then there's the stress attached to the role of having to defend yourself. And Werewolf is a social role, something that should weighed pretty heavily. My conclusion is that sudgy got to pick between two scum roles and he picked the better of the two.
Joth should've shot sudgy if he was going to shoot anyone to "prove" himself.
But let's weigh the mason-day vig choice he had. Being a mason allows you to rule out a few people from being scum (alright, there's the werewolf mason, but it's a 1/8 thing). And again, it's a social role allowing you a back channel to talk about the game, I find that that's a fun thing to do. A day vigilante For town is like a minor utility role at best, but for scum 1 shot day vig is pretty useful, an extra kill whenever they need to get out ahead. Being a day vig allows you to prove your ability (but not your alignment).
You might think I'd keep my vote on Joth. A suspicious role decision, a suspicious day kill. Wrong. He's used his power up, and is basically a goon (assuming he isn't Reloaded tonight). We can let the Night take care of him, or lynch him tomorrow if he makes it that far. Letting scum off the hook is a pretty poor decision, but the thing is that we have sudgy, who is admittedly slightly less suspicious, but more of an unknown and therefore more dangerous.
Vote: sudgy
And Joseph is looking pretty town-y. However it is possible for Joseph to be the Mafia day vig, and Joh to be one of the two Town day vigs, but then again why would Joseph waste his ability on someone who is essentially a vanilla townie?
Everyone assumed I wasFuck it
Dayvig: joth
Wait.
Weren't you the SK?
But most people know what happens when you assume
That's mean to assume thatEveryone assumed I wasFuck it
Dayvig: joth
Wait.
Weren't you the SK?
But most people know what happens when you assume
Lemme guess you're not a day-vig and you're trolling us?
PPE: I somewhat agree with brught, but picking between werewolf and miller is being between a rock and a hard place: is there really a correct answer? And why claim it?
But also true....
I'm town though, and joth if town is silly to randomly dayvig IMO
Everyone assumed I wasFuck it
Dayvig: joth
Wait.
Weren't you the SK?
But most people know what happens when you assume
Lemme guess you're not a day-vig and you're trolling us?
PPE: I somewhat agree with brught, but picking between werewolf and miller is being between a rock and a hard place: is there really a correct answer? And why claim it?
PPE: I somewhat agree with brught, but picking between werewolf and miller is being between a rock and a hard place: is there really a correct answer?Let's put ourselves in sudgy's shoes. Let's assume the worst case scenario: he is investigated Night 1 by a compatible investigation role. If he was a miller, he's probably getting lynched, the town is down 1 member and is more likely to lose. If he's a werewolf, he's likely to get lynched as well. But it's conceivable for his werewolf buddies to get him out of the situation, he has some type of support.
And why claim it?There was pressure being applied. Fakeclaim it now or never.
Another obvious thing I thought was too obvious to state: Fakeclaiming you're a Miller as scum gives you plausible deniability if you are investigated. But everyone knows that I hope...And why claim it?There was pressure being applied. Fakeclaim it now or never.
Furthermore, the ~5 Miller-like roles are pretty "safe" roles to fakeclaim as. The only person who would possibly have chosen one of those as their role would have been me. (In that hypothetical situation I'd be choosing between a universal miller and a more specific one, and I'd choose the specific one. Here I'll say that I'm not a Miller-like role.)
e discarded Retired Werewolf Hunter
Werewolf-bulletproof isn't very good, but better than nothing. Not much else to say here, really, there's a lot of roles that are better than this.
***Little disagree here - BP from what is going to potentially a decent percent of the night kills is pretty strongSpaceAnemone discarded Innocent Child
This is actually incredibly scummy. Why would space ever choose anything other than IC? I think we should force a claim here, but I reeeeally don't think space would pick scum knowing they would flip discarding IC. But why do the same as town? It doesn't make any sense to me.
*** Agree that it is skummy. I also agree that it is soooo skummy that it almost can't be trade IC for a skum role? I mean they would have to know it would be looked at right?pingpongsam discarded One-Shot Unlynchable Townie
You're scum right? Abilities that let you stay in the game for longer make sense for a fun setup with 23 players. I think pps would personally choose other PRs over this, so given it's pps I don't think it matters much.
*** Hard agree on this. I had to check, but there is no other unlynchable role from what I can tell. So, this essentially just grants a second chance at actually finding skum when used.jotheonah discarded Mason
I talked about this: what PR's better than mason? Also see how joth and Glooble could've been masons! It's a very scummy flip, but unlike IC (like Space) I think you could talk your way out of it. Which makes it scummier, I suppose.
***In contradiction to my previous point on Joth using the shot, I guess if they knew that they would be discarding mason and people would know it... the play would be to make sure they get the shot off... where as I feel there is like "no way" someone picks Town day vig and then also uses it day 1 when they could of been mason. I think.Uncleeurope discarded Mafia Goon
Goon's bad! Tells us that maybe he didn't have a choice?
*** Could be either a different skum role or a town role. No way to really tell. I don't think I would take Goon over anything that isn't neg utility.shraeye discarded Compulsive Childkiller
This role's better than it looks, but even then, mafia day-vig can fakeclaim this to justify killing an IC, which probably makes this sorta miller. So I understand the discard over almost anything.
*** Disagree - but just based on the fact that if there is no IC in the game, you essentially took VT. So, not very fun in this set up potentially.EFHW discarded Alien One-Shot Unlynchable
Town or a very very fun role. EFHW is my IC. If you want to be scum, you always pick the unlynchable. The flip might just look super town if you were picking between scum I suppose.
***What you said... but with the added potential of they could also be a different skum faction knowing how great it would look.
I'm pretty sure our votes are about to be reset.
vote: sudgy
I think Brightgairs points are strong. And I don’t think scum!joth is this reckless. Town!joth might play this way for the lulz, if he’s in a bastard game mindset. Scum!joth is going to be genuinely worried about his partners- he doesn’t just throw a game for his while team.
Unless he’s the only mafia. Then maybe.
Alright, I'm showing my unfamiliarity with this forum by asking this directly, but is Joseph kidding or not? I see there's a problem with his day kill, he didn't use the right format ie. Shoot: Player.
On a related note, is there any rule preventing us from attempting day kills? Like we could require everyone to type (in bold) Shoot: [some player we decide on beforehand]. This forces the Town day vigs' hand, but it also forces scum day vig's too. And having either of them shoot someone we would've lynched anyway is a good thing.
Holy drunken dayvig! Good gravy, folks...quit it with the flexing.Terrible idea, I'll have to come out again
Vote: Joseph
Vote Count 1.3How has modding this been?!
jothenoah (7): faust, mail-mi, sudgy, Eevee, Joseph2302, MiX, DatSwan
faust (2): jothenoah, Uncleeurope
sudgy (3): e, Brightgalrs, Glooble
Joseph2302 (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (9): pubby, SpaceAnemone, pingpongsam, Galzria, shraeye, EFHW, LaLight, raerae, Archetype
With 22 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day One ends at 6:00 UTC, 11/22/19.
Vote Count 1.3
jothenoah (7): faust, mail-mi, sudgy, Eevee, Joseph2302, MiX, DatSwan
faust (2): jothenoah, Uncleeurope
sudgy (3): e, Brightgalrs, Glooble
Joseph2302 (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (9): pubby, SpaceAnemone, pingpongsam, Galzria, shraeye, EFHW, LaLight, raerae, Archetype
With 22 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day One ends at 6:00 UTC, 11/22/19.
Vote Count 1.3
jothenoah (7): faust, mail-mi, sudgy, Eevee, Joseph2302, MiX, DatSwan
faust (2): jothenoah, Uncleeurope
sudgy (3): e, Brightgalrs, Glooble
Joseph2302 (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (9): pubby, SpaceAnemone, pingpongsam, Galzria, shraeye, EFHW, LaLight, raerae, Archetype
With 22 alive, it takes 11 to lynch. Day One ends at 6:00 UTC, 11/22/19.
Shouldn’t it take 12 to lynch?
I think we kill out of {Joth, sudgy} today.
Have LaLigh, pps, or Archetype posted yet?
Okay so I'm coming out
I'm role number 167
I'm a 5 shot town with other cool secret powersOkay so I'm coming out
I'm role number 167
FBI Agent? Did you pick yourself and get a yes?
I'm a 5 shot town with other cool secret powersOkay so I'm coming out
I'm role number 167
FBI Agent? Did you pick yourself and get a yes?
Important word is town
There’s no jester in this game, is there? So what the hell is Joseph playing at?
I don’t know. Sudgy is still scummier though.
Vote: sudgy
For the "even if joth is town he is now vanilla and as such a 'all right' lynch" mentality
Sudgy still hasn’t said which miller he is. Which is further evidence that he’s not a miller (since he risks a counterclaim if he specifies)
Vote: sudgy
For the "even if joth is town he is now vanilla and as such a 'all right' lynch" mentality
I said that in addition to what I had said previously.
Anyway, I find it interesting that most of the people voting for me are people who haven't played with me before. Everybody that has played with me before knows that I always get lynched, so it makes sense that I would not pick scum, both because I would get lynched anyway if I was scum (because that would be bad), and because then (I thought) I would get more town points by discarding scum. I also didn't want to try that hard, which I know I would have to if I picked Werewolf.
Sudgy still hasn’t said which miller he is. Which is further evidence that he’s not a miller (since he risks a counterclaim if he specifies)You know, you could have used your shot to shoot him if you're all about that Miller theory.
Sudgy still hasn’t said which miller he is. Which is further evidence that he’s not a miller (since he risks a counterclaim if he specifies)You know, you could have used your shot to shoot him if you're all about that Miller theory.
Sudgy still hasn’t said which miller he is. Which is further evidence that he’s not a miller (since he risks a counterclaim if he specifies)You know, you could have used your shot to shoot him if you're all about that Miller theory.
Yeah but (A) I was drunk and (B) Awaclus votes for me after I specifically said I would shoot the next person to vote for me. Like, I was basically locked in at that point. I didn’t really shoot Awaclus, if you think about it. Awaclus shot himself.
Have LaLigh, pps, or Archetype posted yet?
Also, hello! It’s been a while since I’ve played but it’s nice to see that a lot of people have stuck around.
I'm afraid your Orwellian redefinitions of truth don't work here.Sudgy still hasn’t said which miller he is. Which is further evidence that he’s not a miller (since he risks a counterclaim if he specifies)You know, you could have used your shot to shoot him if you're all about that Miller theory.
Yeah but (A) I was drunk and (B) Awaclus votes for me after I specifically said I would shoot the next person to vote for me. Like, I was basically locked in at that point. I didn’t really shoot Awaclus, if you think about it. Awaclus shot himself.
Also, hello! It’s been a while since I’ve played but it’s nice to see that a lot of people have stuck around.
Hello. Can you vote to join the bandwagon?
I kind of think, in the sober light of day, that the people who are saying the dayvig was anti town are right.
On the other hand, from a multi game, meta game perspective I’m pretty sure the next time I threaten a dayvig it’ll be really effective.
1. Awaclus
2. faust
3. pubby
4. e
5. MiX
6. Joseph2302
7. SpaceAnemone
8. WestCoastDidds
9. Glooble
10. pingpongsam
11. DatSwan
12. sudgy
13. Brightgalrs
14. mail-mi
15. jotheonah
16. Uncleeurope
17. Galzria
18. shraeye
19. EFHW
20. LaLight
21. Eevee
22. raerae
23. Archetype
(http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/Themes/core/images/dice_warn.gif) This dice roll may have been tampered with!
Rolled 1d23 : 20, total 20
Sudgy still hasn’t said which miller he is. Which is further evidence that he’s not a miller (since he risks a counterclaim if he specifies)Grunching, but this is so scummy. From sudgy.
vote: sudgy
While I'm pro random lynch, sudgy and my main man joth are also great targets. Also anyone but me.
Random voting is ridiculous at this point. We have so much to go on.
Vote: mail-mi for capitalizing my name.
Anyway, I am a Miller. Now, you might ask why the heck I picked a kind of Miller over Werewolf. I always get lynched, so I thought if I discarded a scum role, I would be less likely to get lynched. That said, townread on everybody who discarded scum, and wary scumread on everybody who discarded a strong town role.
Vote: mail-mi for capitalizing my name.
Anyway, I am a Miller. Now, you might ask why the heck I picked a kind of Miller over Werewolf. I always get lynched, so I thought if I discarded a scum role, I would be less likely to get lynched. That said, townread on everybody who discarded scum, and wary scumread on everybody who discarded a strong town role.
Werewolf if checked by a cop gets a guilty result. Miller if checked by a cop gets a guilty result. So those are the same negative utility to your survival.
So by taking miller over werewolf (assuming you just must believe you will eventually be lynched, because it always happens)... you GTD that you will be lynched if a cop checks you while simultaneously bringing only negative utility to your faction.
Whereas by taking Werewolf, you would be checked as skum the same as Miller, but you could like (under the acceptance you will be lynched anyways) just always be the one to carry the NK or things along that line.
OK - so then take all that... and then add together that you just out and claimed miller. How did you see that playing out? You can't just say that you thought in this game it would just be accepted - that is ridiculous. So, maybe... mayyyybeee I see the situation where you take it and then claim this out when forced (either by result or "inevitable" being put on the block), but to just come out with it... that just doesn't make sense.
I guess what I am trying to say is:
When you claimed, what did you think was actually going to happen?
Random voting is ridiculous at this point. We have so much to go on.
There's no Werewolf Miller, faust flipped that. Then again picking werewolf miller over werewolf would be hilarious.Okay this cements my position then.
Joh, if scum, HAS to be of the Mafia faction.
Has anyone so far tried to quantify the expected number of other PRs and scum factions out there? Even just crudely using some kind of heuristic for the discarding step?Yes but it's all on my desktop which I won't be infront of until tommorow. And I need to do a little more work on it, and I need to check my work.
Important statistics that are never wrong:Except that we have at least 12 townies.
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
Has anyone so far tried to quantify the expected number of other PRs and scum factions out there? Even just crudely using some kind of heuristic for the discarding step?Yes but it's all on my desktop which I won't be infront of until tommorow. And I need to do a little more work on it, and I need to check my work.
But I think Faust's analysis is something to go on:Important statistics that are never wrong:Except that we have at least 12 townies.
We have 11 Townies, 4 Werewolves, 4 Mafia, 2 Aliens and 2 third parties.
Except this game doesn't have to be fair.We're talking about the expected number of each role, a probability concept. There's like billions of ways this game could be set up, still millions if you only consider alignment. Looking at the expected value is better than nothing.
19 townies, 2 mafia, 1 werewolf, 1 cultist (were they even in the setup?)
Look at that, sudgy posted and STILL hasn’t fullclaimed his role. Lynch the scum.
Sudgy still hasn’t said which miller he is. Which is further evidence that he’s not a miller (since he risks a counterclaim if he specifies)
Except we all know that if you don't specify it's a normal miller. Ain't that right sudgy?
Also you're scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum.
Also, let’s just call attention to the manner in which MiX is both coaching and defending sudgy. Something to remember for tomorrow.
I find myself once again insulted by how bad people think I am at being scum.
Last personal question, Bright....what area of study in grad school? Partly I’m curious, and partly because we have some word/journalism/Comm people and some math/eng/logic people and it helps understand them. And of course lots that are neither/both, but oddly we know their work schedules...
Vote: Joth
I discarded one shot unlynchable because it’s the one town role that looks scummy as shit in my hands.
@Bright, I don't think you ever responded to WCD's question here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're somewhere on the math/eng/logic side of things? :-)You're right I missed that. I got my bachelors in industrial engineering but "switched" to computational linguistics for master's. So yeah, math, computers, and engineering, but also softer stuff like syntax and semantics.Last personal question, Bright....what area of study in grad school? Partly I’m curious, and partly because we have some word/journalism/Comm people and some math/eng/logic people and it helps understand them. And of course lots that are neither/both, but oddly we know their work schedules...
Also, would you mind adding an avatar pic (just something visually distinct from the other players), and also some kind of searchable text to make it easier for people to read you in isolation without having to go to your user page and in so doing, losing the rest of the context in the thread? Either a "Shuffle iT Username", or a short unique text string that's unlikely to come up in the flow of the thread? Thank you!Yeah I can do that.
Look I didn’t study the rolelist but me survive a lynch will appear to be anything but town. Say mafia governor or something. Me staying alive is not going to help town.I agree that Lynchproof is a negative utility role most of the time.
Look I didn’t study the rolelist but me survive a lynch will appear to be anything but town. Say mafia governor or something. Me staying alive is not going to help town.I agree that Lynchproof is a negative utility role most of the time.
@Bright, I don't think you ever responded to WCD's question here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're somewhere on the math/eng/logic side of things? :-)
You're right I missed that. I got my bachelors in industrial engineering but "switched" to computational linguistics for master's. So yeah, math, computers, and engineering, but also softer stuff like syntax and semantics.
Also, would you mind adding an avatar pic (just something visually distinct from the other players), and also some kind of searchable text to make it easier for people to read you in isolation without having to go to your user page and in so doing, losing the rest of the context in the thread? Either a "Shuffle iT Username", or a short unique text string that's unlikely to come up in the flow of the thread? Thank you!Yeah I can do that.
That’s a lot of faith in the forum to assume that is a string that doesn’t occur often.
Honestly, it is a compliment more than anything.
everyone should join me on joth
or, well, 2 more people.
Glooble is totally the next one to get their head chopped off once joth flips scum.sounds good
I will gladly hammer joth 8)
Hey, I was going to hammer. Need to improve me hammer statsI wanted to hammer :(
Our actual discarded values are:Should be Town: 16
Town:
Space Count
jotheonah (11): faust, mail-mi, sudgy, Joseph2302, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, pingpongsam, MiX, Galzria, LaLight, pubby
sudgy (6): 2.71828....., Glooble, jotheonah, WestCoastDidds, Eevee, EFHW
faust (1): Uncleeurope
LaLight (1): raerae
Not Voting (3): Shraeye, Archetype, Brightgalrs
Space Count
jotheonah (11): faust, mail-mi, sudgy, Joseph2302, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, pingpongsam, MiX, Galzria, LaLight, pubby
sudgy (6): 2.71828....., Glooble, jotheonah, WestCoastDidds, Eevee, EFHW
faust (1): Uncleeurope
LaLight (1): raerae
Not Voting (3): Shraeye, Archetype, Brightgalrs
Uuuuuuuuuh does that mean it wasn't hammer yet?
We did it!My narrow definition of power role included doctors and investigative roles.
I've either not woken up fully or Bright's analysis of the setup is xyz% wrong. It's one of the two, I'm sure.
Did you sort ALL PRs?
No wait ADK counted Bright as voting joth so it WAS hammer.
I'm enjoying Bright's commitment to analysis... so many decimal places ;-)With 100000 trials, I don't think more than 3 decimal places are actually significant.
Welp, it's been fun. I didn't want it to go this way, but y'all shouldn't have voted for me so much. I see now that f.ds can't be intimidated into voting or not voting, for your sense of logic and fairness is unflappable.
Lynch sudgy tomorrow. Or don't. idk. Glooble is probably town. MiX very well might not be.
I'm enjoying Bright's commitment to analysis... so many decimal places ;-)With 100000 trials, I don't think more than 3 decimal places are actually significant.
sudgy has been killed! He was a Town Conspiracy Theorist!This was me. I'm a One-shot Vigilante. Pls reload.
We can let the Night take care of him, or lynch him tomorrow if he makes it that far.
Quotesudgy has been killed! He was a Town Conspiracy Theorist!This was me. I'm a One-shot Vigilante. Pls reload.
I hinted at it yesterday:We can let the Night take care of him, or lynch him tomorrow if he makes it that far.
But yeah, sudgy what the hell. Picking a Conspiracy Theorist over a Werewolf is vastly more believable than picking a Miller over a Werewolf.
Besides that, our strategy for today should be to get some roleclaims from people who barely posted yesterday.I like the strategy of lynching scum better.
Faust, can you explain the werewolf mason to me and why we think there is one? TYMasons only know that they aren't Mafia of each other. There is a potential role who is a Werewolf Mason. This role would have had a QT with Archetype, and would be pretty much the only reason for anyone to kill Arch given how much of a non-entity Arch was.
Faust, can you explain the werewolf mason to me and why we think there is one? TYMasons only know that they aren't Mafia of each other. There is a potential role who is a Werewolf Mason. This role would have had a QT with Archetype, and would be pretty much the only reason for anyone to kill Arch given how much of a non-entity Arch was.
Unfortunately, Arch did not breadcrumb anything.
The only people to even mention Archetype D1 are joth and MiX.
So actually... When is the Mason QT open?
Actually, let's give EFHW, Eevee and Didds passes for ending up on the same wagon as Glooble. Down to 8.I strongly disagree. There are multiple factions. Being on Glooble's wagon doesn't mean much.
Yes, but it doesn't mean nothing (like activity level).Actually, let's give EFHW, Eevee and Didds passes for ending up on the same wagon as Glooble. Down to 8.I strongly disagree. There are multiple factions. Being on Glooble's wagon doesn't mean much.
Who kills Glooble? Serious question.I'm gonna leave that for the Werewolves to figure out.
I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.Could totally be an Alien using their power to get rid of a problem. But if that's true, then they don't have another kill, so we shouldn't kill there.
Sudgy should've just claimed Conspiracy! Aaaaaaaaah...Joseph killed no-one, because Joseph is town
Archetype's mason? Probably the WW kill like faust said.
Who kills Glooble? Serious question.
Who would Joseph NK?
Sudgy should've just claimed Conspiracy! Aaaaaaaaah...Joseph killed no-one, because Joseph is town
Archetype's mason? Probably the WW kill like faust said.
Who kills Glooble? Serious question.
Who would Joseph NK?
Interesting theory. They would pretty much have to kill him in that case. But usually you find out your mason partners N0. So wouldn't Arch have outed them in the thread?Faust, can you explain the werewolf mason to me and why we think there is one? TYMasons only know that they aren't Mafia of each other. There is a potential role who is a Werewolf Mason. This role would have had a QT with Archetype, and would be pretty much the only reason for anyone to kill Arch given how much of a non-entity Arch was.
Unfortunately, Arch did not breadcrumb anything.
Outing is bad if Arch thought that they were town. Presumably they wouldn't have said that they're WWInteresting theory. They would pretty much have to kill him in that case. But usually you find out your mason partners N0. So wouldn't Arch have outed them in the thread?Faust, can you explain the werewolf mason to me and why we think there is one? TYMasons only know that they aren't Mafia of each other. There is a potential role who is a Werewolf Mason. This role would have had a QT with Archetype, and would be pretty much the only reason for anyone to kill Arch given how much of a non-entity Arch was.
Unfortunately, Arch did not breadcrumb anything.
Just how were Aliens expected to be able to win?I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.Could totally be an Alien using their power to get rid of a problem. But if that's true, then they don't have another kill, so we shouldn't kill there.
There were 3 town mason roles. Two of them were discarded and Archetype was the third. Any other mason would have to be WW.Outing is bad if Arch thought that they were town. Presumably they wouldn't have said that they're WWInteresting theory. They would pretty much have to kill him in that case. But usually you find out your mason partners N0. So wouldn't Arch have outed them in the thread?Faust, can you explain the werewolf mason to me and why we think there is one? TYMasons only know that they aren't Mafia of each other. There is a potential role who is a Werewolf Mason. This role would have had a QT with Archetype, and would be pretty much the only reason for anyone to kill Arch given how much of a non-entity Arch was.
Unfortunately, Arch did not breadcrumb anything.
There were 3 town mason roles. Two of them were discarded and Archetype was the third. Any other mason would have to be WW.Outing is bad if Arch thought that they were town. Presumably they wouldn't have said that they're WWInteresting theory. They would pretty much have to kill him in that case. But usually you find out your mason partners N0. So wouldn't Arch have outed them in the thread?Faust, can you explain the werewolf mason to me and why we think there is one? TYMasons only know that they aren't Mafia of each other. There is a potential role who is a Werewolf Mason. This role would have had a QT with Archetype, and would be pretty much the only reason for anyone to kill Arch given how much of a non-entity Arch was.
Unfortunately, Arch did not breadcrumb anything.
I think there is no WW mason. Not that it makes a big difference either way.
Actually, let's give EFHW, Eevee and Didds passes for ending up on the same wagon as Glooble. Down to 8.Thanks for the pass, but f.ds relies way too much on the theory that partners won't be on the same wagon.
There were 3 town mason roles. Two of them were discarded and Archetype was the third. Any other mason would have to be WW.Outing is bad if Arch thought that they were town. Presumably they wouldn't have said that they're WWInteresting theory. They would pretty much have to kill him in that case. But usually you find out your mason partners N0. So wouldn't Arch have outed them in the thread?Faust, can you explain the werewolf mason to me and why we think there is one? TYMasons only know that they aren't Mafia of each other. There is a potential role who is a Werewolf Mason. This role would have had a QT with Archetype, and would be pretty much the only reason for anyone to kill Arch given how much of a non-entity Arch was.
Unfortunately, Arch did not breadcrumb anything.
Did you not read the setup?I think there is no WW mason. Not that it makes a big difference either way.
Vote: EFHW, I guess you killed him due to some other reason.
Actually, let's give EFHW, Eevee and Didds passes for ending up on the same wagon as Glooble. Down to 8.Thanks for the pass, but f.ds relies way too much on the theory that partners won't be on the same wagon.
This combined with other stuff after this makes me think you may be an alienJust how were Aliens expected to be able to win?I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.Could totally be an Alien using their power to get rid of a problem. But if that's true, then they don't have another kill, so we shouldn't kill there.
Also, can you really call it a third party in this game? Isn't it more like a fourth, fifth, or sixth party? There's no way we ended up with just one scum team.Personally, I'm in favor of all scum factions claiming their existence so we can settle this dispute.
I was thinking exactly the same thing as Glooble.
I'm very much in favour of faust's response to it :-)
This combined with other stuff after this makes me think you may be an alienJust how were Aliens expected to be able to win?I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.Could totally be an Alien using their power to get rid of a problem. But if that's true, then they don't have another kill, so we shouldn't kill there.
Although alien isn't the best kill right now. We need to lower the number of NKs
You missed that there's more than 1 copy of non-VT roles.You are right. I completely missed that and assumed there was one of each role.
Are you a third-party?Actually, let's give EFHW, Eevee and Didds passes for ending up on the same wagon as Glooble. Down to 8.Thanks for the pass, but f.ds relies way too much on the theory that partners won't be on the same wagon.
This is accurate.
And this is why I'm terrible at this gameAlso, can you really call it a third party in this game? Isn't it more like a fourth, fifth, or sixth party? There's no way we ended up with just one scum team.Personally, I'm in favor of all scum factions claiming their existence so we can settle this dispute.
I was thinking exactly the same thing as Glooble.
I'm very much in favour of faust's response to it :-)
Space isn't werewolf.This combined with other stuff after this makes me think you may be an alienJust how were Aliens expected to be able to win?I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.Could totally be an Alien using their power to get rid of a problem. But if that's true, then they don't have another kill, so we shouldn't kill there.
Although alien isn't the best kill right now. We need to lower the number of NKs
She flipped alien unlynchable: alien is the last scum faction I'd read EFHW as.
And double doctor death is super shit
Possibly we've lost already
PPE: 1
What...the...hell...
How many kills were there??? Four? 2 scumteams, SK and vig? Woooow.
I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.
Uncle is null. Can you talk more bud?
What...the...hell...
How many kills were there??? Four? 2 scumteams, SK and vig? Woooow.
I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.
This makes no sense to me.
Scum comes out early after a very successful night and claims 1 shot vig is a super realistic scenario
Need to keep the people in European time zones aliveSounds like a bad way to play
Need to keep the people in European time zones aliveSounds like a bad way to play
But we should vote for you then
Need to keep the people in European time zones alive
Need to keep the people in European time zones aliveSounds like a bad way to play
But we should vote for you then
I am in Germany now actually. Been here almost a year now.
Need to keep the people in European time zones aliveSounds like a bad way to play
But we should vote for you then
Need to keep the people in European time zones aliveNeed to keep the people in European time zones aliveSounds like a bad way to play
But we should vote for you then
I am in Germany now actually. Been here almost a year now.
Wait did you trade places with faust? He's not in Europe anymore.
Need to keep the people in European time zones aliveSounds like a bad way to play
But we should vote for you then
Also Galzria is totally scum, so double reason to vote him
I retain useless information like where folks are located, but don’t know what like half these roles do. i can win the mafia community trivia contest, but the game itself...not so much
Oh, right, I forgot Galz.
He was meant to be on my list.
Middles are me, raerae, shraeye, Mail-mi, and ADKWait, so like... you are not on the west coast?
The folks in Europe are MiX, e, Eevee, Space, Joseph, and LaLightI'm only in Europe because Brexit hasn't happened yet
East coasters are pubby, Brighty, faust, EFHW, Eddie
Middles are me, raerae, shraeye, Mail-mi, and ADK
WestCoast folks are Galz, Swan
It's an obvious scum tactic to lie in your usernameMiddles are me, raerae, shraeye, Mail-mi, and ADKWait, so like... you are not on the west coast?
How do you expect me to trust anything you say now?
Player | Postcount | Word count |
MiX | 21 | 1246 |
Brightgalrs | 9 | 1108 |
18 | 685 | |
SpaceAnemone | 11 | 571 |
15 | 418 | |
faust | 18 | 343 |
5 | 291 | |
2.71828..... | 10 | 240 |
WestCoastDidds | 5 | 182 |
2 | 162 | |
shraeye | 6 | 155 |
Joseph2302 | 16 | 144 |
Uncleeurope | 7 | 118 |
Eevee | 4 | 110 |
pubby | 5 | 106 |
raerae | 9 | 95 |
3 | 90 | |
Galzria | 7 | 82 |
EFHW | 2 | 80 |
mail-mi | 6 | 66 |
DatSwan | 1 | 18 |
LaLight | 1 | 9 |
2 | 9 |
It's an obvious scum tactic to lie in your usernameMiddles are me, raerae, shraeye, Mail-mi, and ADKWait, so like... you are not on the west coast?
How do you expect me to trust anything you say now?
Okay I got a word and post counter working:
Player Postcount Word count MiX 21 1246 Brightgalrs 9 1108 jotheonah18 685 SpaceAnemone 11 571 Glooble15 418 faust 18 343 sudgy5 291 2.71828..... 10 240 WestCoastDidds 5 182 pingpongsam2 162 shraeye 6 155 Joseph2302 16 144 Uncleeurope 7 118 Eevee 4 110 pubby 5 106 raerae 9 95 Archetype3 90 Galzria 7 82 EFHW 2 80 mail-mi 6 66 DatSwan 1 18 LaLight 1 9 Awaclus2 9
Vote: LaLight
Hmmm very odd, it only gives LaLight 1 post when he clearly has two.
I suspect pubby isn't lone-wolf scum like a serial killer or a lone mafia/werewolf/alien. My reasoning is a meta-gamey one: it's entirely in his character to target (to kill) me as soon as possible. He could be talked out of it, so it's still possible he's scum, but he'd have to have another player in his faction.vote: Brightgalrs
Brightgalrs | 19 | 2239 |
MiX | 49 | 2085 |
39 | 1280 | |
SpaceAnemone | 19 | 1057 |
29 | 879 | |
faust | 31 | 704 |
WestCoastDidds | 17 | 590 |
9 | 435 | |
2.71828..... | 20 | 363 |
DatSwan | 5 | 354 |
raerae | 18 | 276 |
shraeye | 11 | 237 |
Galzria | 16 | 208 |
Joseph2302 | 24 | 205 |
3 | 199 | |
pubby | 11 | 182 |
Uncleeurope | 10 | 179 |
Eevee | 8 | 177 |
mail-mi | 10 | 173 |
5 | 158 | |
EFHW | 3 | 83 |
4 | 73 | |
LaLight | 3 | 24 |
Are you trying to tell me there's only 1956 of you?It's an obvious scum tactic to lie in your usernameMiddles are me, raerae, shraeye, Mail-mi, and ADKWait, so like... you are not on the west coast?
How do you expect me to trust anything you say now?
Can you mod mafia community trivia mafia? That's the real question.
Middles are me, raerae, shraeye, Mail-mi, and ADKWait, so like... you are not on the west coast?
How do you expect me to trust anything you say now?
No, I’m not scum, of any faction/kind/alignment. Nor am I third party, Grey or Purple.Pretty sure at this point we're looking for concrete roleclaims. With two doctors and a Cop-of-all-Trades dead you can't have too much to hide.
No, I’m not scum, of any faction/kind/alignment. Nor am I third party, Grey or Purple.Pretty sure at this point we're looking for concrete roleclaims. With two doctors and a Cop-of-all-Trades dead you can't have too much to hide.
Although I think we should be pressuring from least-active to most, so you not claiming isn't a big deal to me.
Mrh, fine. I am an Alien. You don't want to lynch me right now.
I didn't.Mrh, fine. I am an Alien. You don't want to lynch me right now.
Lol. Okay. Who did you shoot?
There is a non-Alien player in the game who can confirm that I'm an Alien. Hint: We Vanillaised someone last Night. Alien is the only faction that can do that.
As long as lots of killing scum is walking around, Aliens and town's goals are aligned.
Yay, first scum claim!Not true! Joseph claimed SK.
Yay, first scum claim!Not true! Joseph claimed SK.
Aww, thank you!Yay, first scum claim!Not true! Joseph claimed SK.
Convincing claim*
Aliens!IDK, after checking stuff I think only Conspiracy Theorist would turn up guilty on me, and we've already had two of those flip.
Fun.
Also, Galzria voting faust for PR reasons and faust turning up alien is actually a pretty credible claim to being town, so I suppose I will have to just go and switch up my vote
vote: Datswan
Aliens!IDK, after checking stuff I think only Conspiracy Theorist would turn up guilty on me, and we've already had two of those flip.
Fun.
Also, Galzria voting faust for PR reasons and faust turning up alien is actually a pretty credible claim to being town, so I suppose I will have to just go and switch up my vote
vote: Datswan
Um.. question: Are Lynchers randomized?
LaLight discarded Lyncher (target player below)
There is a non-Alien player in the game who can confirm that I'm an Alien. Hint: We Vanillaised someone last Night. Alien is the only faction that can do that.
As long as lots of killing scum is walking around, Aliens and town's goals are aligned.
We can do that if we decide that we want to reveal that information to scum.There is a non-Alien player in the game who can confirm that I'm an Alien. Hint: We Vanillaised someone last Night. Alien is the only faction that can do that.
As long as lots of killing scum is walking around, Aliens and town's goals are aligned.
Wait...shouldn't you out who's Vanilla'd? So they can confirm you or something?
If the Aliens didn't kill anyone last night it means we have 2 Serial killers. Or else one of the dead doctors tried to protect the Werewolf PGO. There's some crazy line where the Werewolves convinced the Mason Doctor to protect their PGO, and then used their factional kill on someone else.Why? We have 4 kills, one was you, 1 was mafia, 1 was Werewolf. There's only one unaccounted for, which would be SK.
And the next claim should come from the Vanilla'd player. There's no risk of outing a useful role. And if it's someone who has posted in this day already, kinda suspicious that you didn't tell us yet.
Why? We have 4 kills, one was you, 1 was mafia, 1 was Werewolf. There's only one unaccounted for, which would be SK.Yeah you're right. Keep that PGO idea in mind though, that'll be cool to look back on in hindsight.
If the Aliens didn't kill anyone last night it means we have 2 Serial killers. Or else one of the dead doctors tried to protect the Werewolf PGO. There's some crazy line where the Werewolves convinced the Mason Doctor to protect their PGO, and then used their factional kill on someone else.Why? We have 4 kills, one was you, 1 was mafia, 1 was Werewolf. There's only one unaccounted for, which would be SK.
And the next claim should come from the Vanilla'd player. There's no risk of outing a useful role. And if it's someone who has posted in this day already, kinda suspicious that you didn't tell us yet.
If the Aliens didn't kill anyone last night it means we have 2 Serial killers. Or else one of the dead doctors tried to protect the Werewolf PGO. There's some crazy line where the Werewolves convinced the Mason Doctor to protect their PGO, and then used their factional kill on someone else.Why? We have 4 kills, one was you, 1 was mafia, 1 was Werewolf. There's only one unaccounted for, which would be SK.
And the next claim should come from the Vanilla'd player. There's no risk of outing a useful role. And if it's someone who has posted in this day already, kinda suspicious that you didn't tell us yet.
That's exactly what I was about to say, wow.
If the Aliens didn't kill anyone last night it means we have 2 Serial killers. Or else one of the dead doctors tried to protect the Werewolf PGO. There's some crazy line where the Werewolves convinced the Mason Doctor to protect their PGO, and then used their factional kill on someone else.Why? We have 4 kills, one was you, 1 was mafia, 1 was Werewolf. There's only one unaccounted for, which would be SK.
And the next claim should come from the Vanilla'd player. There's no risk of outing a useful role. And if it's someone who has posted in this day already, kinda suspicious that you didn't tell us yet.
That's exactly what I was about to say, wow.
Or, I think Bright may have just slipped SK. Take it as you will.
Why shoot sudgy, tho? He was a likely Day 2 lynch.What...the...hell...
How many kills were there??? Four? 2 scumteams, SK and vig? Woooow.
I'm giving an IC pass to Bright, and so should everyone.
This makes no sense to me.
Scum comes out early after a very successful night and claims 1 shot vig is a super realistic scenario
AgreeBesides that, our strategy for today should be to get some roleclaims from people who barely posted yesterday.I like the strategy of lynching scum better.
What's wrong with not being chatty?Actually, let's give EFHW, Eevee and Didds passes for ending up on the same wagon as Glooble. Down to 8.I strongly disagree. There are multiple factions. Being on Glooble's wagon doesn't mean much.
I really think we should do a systematic approach to this, start from the objectively least chatty player and work our way up, at least for today.
Why LaLight?
Cool username, by the way!
Yeah, my first thought is why would we masonkill their comason. I would definitely not have done thatUncle is null. Can you talk more bud?
Vote: Faust
EFHW is also a fair candidate, although not for being an Alien.
Or Space, although definitely not for being an IC.
I don’t think that a WW Mason would have killed Arch.
I think the people who want masons to out are stretching.
I also think it might be MiX, and then sometimes I don’t.
Yeah, my first thought is why would we masonkill their comason. I would definitely not have done thatUncle is null. Can you talk more bud?
Vote: Faust
EFHW is also a fair candidate, although not for being an Alien.
Or Space, although definitely not for being an IC.
I don’t think that a WW Mason would have killed Arch.
I think the people who want masons to out are stretching.
I also think it might be MiX, and then sometimes I don’t.
e is being funny today. I like it. Clearly you are the one to blame for your wife being pregnant.Hmmm, solidarity vote?
Solidarity vote: Galz
Sure, a slip. Not a phone autocorrect from weYeah, my first thought is why would we masonkill their comason. I would definitely not have done thatUncle is null. Can you talk more bud?
Vote: Faust
EFHW is also a fair candidate, although not for being an Alien.
Or Space, although definitely not for being an IC.
I don’t think that a WW Mason would have killed Arch.
I think the people who want masons to out are stretching.
I also think it might be MiX, and then sometimes I don’t.
shraeye stop slipping I don't want to lynch my werewolf buddy!
e is being funny today. I like it. Clearly you are the one to blame for your wife being pregnant.Hmmm, solidarity vote?
Solidarity vote: Galz
Oh it counted every other post. There's different html stuff for every other post because of the slight background color change.Honestly, I'm more interested in who's got a higher ratio of even # post counts versus total post counts. That's my voting criteria today. Also, I'm outsourcing that calculation, who does that put in my xrosshairs?
Brightgalrs 19 2239 MiX 49 2085 jotheonah39 1280 SpaceAnemone 19 1057 Glooble29 879 faust 31 704 WestCoastDidds 17 590 sudgy9 435 2.71828..... 20 363 DatSwan 5 354 raerae 18 276 shraeye 11 237 Galzria 16 208 Joseph2302 24 205 pingpongsam3 199 pubby 11 182 Uncleeurope 10 179 Eevee 8 177 mail-mi 10 173 Archetype5 158 EFHW 3 83 Awaclus4 73 LaLight 3 24
Vote: raerae
I'm sticking my neck out a bit too far to be a serial killer.No, nothing is too far for anything
@SpaceAnemone
Does your script, or whatever it is, do player word count? Do a count for Day 1 and let's get the pressure going on the least chatty player.
Honestly, I'm more interested in who's got a higher ratio of even # post counts versus total post counts. That's my voting criteria today. Also, I'm outsourcing that calculation, who does that put in my xrosshairs?
Brightgalrs | 9/19 |
MiX | 21/49 |
18/39 | |
SpaceAnemone | 11/19 |
15/29 | |
faust | 18/31 |
WestCoastDidds | 5/17 |
5/9 | |
2.71828..... | 10/20 |
DatSwan | 1/5 |
raerae | 9/18 |
shraeye | 6/11 |
Galzria | 7/16 |
Joseph2302 | 16/24 |
2/3 | |
pubby | 5/11 |
Uncleeurope | 7/10 |
Eevee | 4/8 |
mail-mi | 6/10 |
3/5 | |
EFHW | 2/3 |
2/4 | |
LaLight | 1/3 |
Aliens!IDK, after checking stuff I think only Conspiracy Theorist would turn up guilty on me, and we've already had two of those flip.
Fun.
Also, Galzria voting faust for PR reasons and faust turning up alien is actually a pretty credible claim to being town, so I suppose I will have to just go and switch up my vote
vote: Datswan
Um.. question: Are Lynchers randomized?
I'm only in Europe because Brexit hasn't happened yet
I think Bright just slipped not-town.
I also think they happen to be a good lynch for right now
Vote: bright
Meh, scum is scum.Meh, OMGUS is OMGUS.
Vote: faust
I think Bright just slipped not-town.
I also think they happen to be a good lynch for right now
Vote: bright
Where?
Meh, scum is scum.Meh, OMGUS is OMGUS.
Vote: faust
I think Bright just slipped not-town.
I also think they happen to be a good lynch for right now
Vote: bright
Where?
When he mentioned that there had to be 2 SKs and forgot that he had claimed one of the kills. I am too lazy to pull up the quote.
Vote: brightI think Bright just slipped not-town.
I also think they happen to be a good lynch for right now
Vote: bright
Where?
When he mentioned that there had to be 2 SKs and forgot that he had claimed one of the kills. I am too lazy to pull up the quote.
It was meant as a joke but I apologise to anyone offendedI'm only in Europe because Brexit hasn't happened yet
You're making a political statements in response to WCD's geographical information. The only reason I see for you to keep harping on about Brexit in current mafia games is to be smug and/or inflammatory, given how divisive a topic this is in our country just now. Please keep it to RSP.
When he mentioned that there had to be 2 SKs and forgot that he had claimed one of the kills. I am too lazy to pull up the quote.Here
Quotesudgy has been killed! He was a Town Conspiracy Theorist!This was me. I'm a One-shot Vigilante. Pls reload.
I hinted at it yesterday:We can let the Night take care of him, or lynch him tomorrow if he makes it that far.
But yeah, sudgy what the hell. Picking a Conspiracy Theorist over a Werewolf is vastly more believable than picking a Miller over a Werewolf.
If the Aliens didn't kill anyone last night it means we have 2 Serial killers. Or else one of the dead doctors tried to protect the Werewolf PGO. There's some crazy line where the Werewolves convinced the Mason Doctor to protect their PGO, and then used their factional kill on someone else.
And the next claim should come from the Vanilla'd player. There's no risk of outing a useful role. And if it's someone who has posted in this day already, kinda suspicious that you didn't tell us yet.
Why? We have 4 kills, one was you, 1 was mafia, 1 was Werewolf. There's only one unaccounted for, which would be SK.Yeah you're right. Keep that PGO idea in mind though, that'll be cool to look back on in hindsight.
I'm sticking my neck out a bit too far to be a serial killer.
Does the vanilla-ised person know they're now vanilla-ised?The role PM list doesn't say:
Each night, you may target another player. That player will lose all of their abilities except for factional abilities.I'd imagine they would be informed. If it was similar to a roleblock, where they only know they can't use their ability unless they try and use it, then the Alien Vanillaiser probably wouldn't be described as a Vanillaiser. They'd probably be called an Alien Perpetual Roleblocker or something.
Does the vanilla-ised person know they're now vanilla-ised?The role PM list doesn't say:QuoteEach night, you may target another player. That player will lose all of their abilities except for factional abilities.I'd imagine they would be informed. If it was similar to a roleblock, where they only know they can't use their ability unless they try and use it, then the Alien Vanillaiser probably wouldn't be described as a Vanillaiser. They'd probably be called an Alien Perpetual Roleblocker or something.
Does the vanilla-ised person know they're now vanilla-ised?
Grumble grumble LaLight is scum zero interaction 2 votes in 3 posts in 1 day votes for popular wagons zero fun posts all in his QT grumble grumble
alright.
So are aliens just another scum faction or are they different in any way?
Grumble grumble LaLight is scum zero interaction 2 votes in 3 posts in 1 day votes for popular wagons zero fun posts all in his QT grumble grumble
Lol, I knew I can always count on you noticing me!
Actually I was playing new pokemon games when the game started and then there were tons of pages and I was really overwhelmed
There is a non-Alien player in the game who can confirm that I'm an Alien. Hint: We Vanillaised someone last Night. Alien is the only faction that can do that.
As long as lots of killing scum is walking around, Aliens and town's goals are aligned.
vote: BrightgalrsAssuming alien killed last night, they can't kill again this game
I don't believe their claim, give or take. It's a bold move, sure, but it's all WIFOM.
Also, I couldn't find why we shouldn't lynch faust today, faust can you point me at it?
I am ok with switching if needed.
vote: BrightgalrsAssuming alien killed last night, they can't kill again this game
I don't believe their claim, give or take. It's a bold move, sure, but it's all WIFOM.
Also, I couldn't find why we shouldn't lynch faust today, faust can you point me at it?
I am ok with switching if needed.
So better off trying to kill people from the factions who can kill us off
And as an e.g. SK, one shot vig would be an easy fake claim after killing someone
True. It's also possible faust is lying, there's s possibility of a Jester, right?vote: BrightgalrsAssuming alien killed last night, they can't kill again this game
I don't believe their claim, give or take. It's a bold move, sure, but it's all WIFOM.
Also, I couldn't find why we shouldn't lynch faust today, faust can you point me at it?
I am ok with switching if needed.
So better off trying to kill people from the factions who can kill us off
uh, yeah, but they still can have powers, they can still have their kill if it was Mafia/WW/SK/Vig and overall they have a win condition strictly different from ours, right?
True. It's also possible faust is lying, there's s possibility of a Jester, right?vote: BrightgalrsAssuming alien killed last night, they can't kill again this game
I don't believe their claim, give or take. It's a bold move, sure, but it's all WIFOM.
Also, I couldn't find why we shouldn't lynch faust today, faust can you point me at it?
I am ok with switching if needed.
So better off trying to kill people from the factions who can kill us off
uh, yeah, but they still can have powers, they can still have their kill if it was Mafia/WW/SK/Vig and overall they have a win condition strictly different from ours, right?
Galz and faust could make this gambit by the way.
And as an e.g. SK, one shot vig would be an easy fake claim after killing someone
yeah, that's what I think.
Also, bright, if you're town, why shoot someone who we knew wasn't a WW, so more likely to be town?
fair point, vote: Joseph
see what I mean, I want to lynch 3 people :(
On the other hand Galz will probably be the kill now? I don't know. I really think we should lynch faust, but it might way a dayOur dayvig had already blown their shot. Which was the saddest part of it
I hate that lynches are limited to one per day, given how much scums there is and how many night deaths. And we also lynched a dayvig
Sudgy discarded a WW role, so very unlikely that they were a WWGalz and faust could make this gambit by the way.
Kill Galzria then, or get the supposed Vanilla'd to claim.And as an e.g. SK, one shot vig would be an easy fake claim after killing someone
yeah, that's what I think.
There's a fulltime vig lol it's an even better claim.Also, bright, if you're town, why shoot someone who we knew wasn't a WW, so more likely to be town?
Are you ww lmao we didn't even know there were wws before D2.
Vote: Joseph
Sudgy discarded a WW role, so very unlikely that they were a WWGalz and faust could make this gambit by the way.
Kill Galzria then, or get the supposed Vanilla'd to claim.And as an e.g. SK, one shot vig would be an easy fake claim after killing someone
yeah, that's what I think.
There's a fulltime vig lol it's an even better claim.Also, bright, if you're town, why shoot someone who we knew wasn't a WW, so more likely to be town?
Are you ww lmao we didn't even know there were wws before D2.
Vote: Joseph
Agreed. But discarding a non-town role makes you more likely to me town IMOSudgy discarded a WW role, so very unlikely that they were a WWGalz and faust could make this gambit by the way.
Kill Galzria then, or get the supposed Vanilla'd to claim.And as an e.g. SK, one shot vig would be an easy fake claim after killing someone
yeah, that's what I think.
There's a fulltime vig lol it's an even better claim.Also, bright, if you're town, why shoot someone who we knew wasn't a WW, so more likely to be town?
Are you ww lmao we didn't even know there were wws before D2.
Vote: Joseph
Who cares there's mafia too!
I'm glad you shot Glooble then, IMO means that not everyone thinks this.I didn't shoot anyone
I'm glad you shot Glooble then, IMO means that not everyone thinks this.I didn't shoot anyone
If I'd been able to shoot anyone, then probably would have been faust
Also, bright, if you're town, why shoot someone who we knew wasn't a WW, so more likely to be town?But much, much more likely to be Mafia. Just about everyone should've thought that he picked a powerful Mafia role over the Werewolf goon, and then claimed Miller to explain why he would investigate as Mafia.
Why cult suddenly? Galz wouldn't suspect faust based on a vanilla cop result.
ANd yeah, faust lying is a possibility, I for some reason didn't think ofI can't really be other scum though... I mean look at the way Galzria claimed his result. No info on what. If I was other scum fakeclaiming Alien, I would have no idea whether that even fits with Galzria's result. Also I can't properly lie about the Vanillaising since noone but the Aliens (and whoever got vanillaised) knew it was in the game.
I'm not an SKI'm glad you shot Glooble then, IMO means that not everyone thinks this.I didn't shoot anyone
If I'd been able to shoot anyone, then probably would have been faust
But he discarded scum so he's town right??????
Why would you want to kill town as SK?
Why cult suddenly? Galz wouldn't suspect faust based on a vanilla cop result.Alien*
Why would he be Vanilla Cop?My mistake, I was under the impression that the Bloodhound was a "perfect" cop, giving the investigated player's exact alignment, and that the Vanilla Cop gave Town/Not-Town results. Instead, Bloodhound gives Town/Not-Town and Vanilla Cop tells them if the player is a vanilla townie/mafia goon/werewolf goon.
Does the vanilla-ised person know they're now vanilla-ised?
I'm assuming yes otherwise faust's claim makes no sense.
Do Vanilla'd players know they're vanilla?
Oh...I said this at least once D1, so not sure why it's so surprising
Oh...I said this at least once D1, so not sure why it's so surprising
PPE: 1
Does the vanilla-ised person know they're now vanilla-ised?
I'm assuming yes otherwise faust's claim makes no sense.
Do Vanilla'd players know they're vanilla?
Yes
Okay so someone should be able to verify faust thenDoes the vanilla-ised person know they're now vanilla-ised?
I'm assuming yes otherwise faust's claim makes no sense.
Do Vanilla'd players know they're vanilla?
Yes
YesOkay, so we have a lynch target for today. Someone got vanilla-ized and didn't feel that that was worth mentioning. My guess is it was someone who posted before faust roleclaimed, and thought that staying silent would be better than admiting to it.
YesOkay, so we have a lynch target for today. Someone got vanilla-ized and didn't feel that that was worth mentioning. My guess is it was someone who posted before faust roleclaimed, and thought that staying silent would be better than admiting to it.
faust, please spill the beans. Again, you'd be saving your skin for today.
Wait why would scum hide it more than town? So we lynch faust instead? Hmm I like it. Of course then faust could just name a poor sap that wasn't vanilla'd and is scumreading his partner or something. But that backfires super hard.If the Vanillia-ized player was scum, they wouldn't to volunteer any information to the town. Think back to before faust claimed, we didn't even know if there were Aliens in this game. Hiding that type of information from the public sows confusion, makes decision making worse.
I'm glad you shot Glooble then, IMO means that not everyone thinks this.I didn't shoot anyone
If I'd been able to shoot anyone, then probably would have been faust
But he discarded scum so he's town right??????
Why would you want to kill town as SK?
YesOkay, so we have a lynch target for today. Someone got vanilla-ized and didn't feel that that was worth mentioning. My guess is it was someone who posted before faust roleclaimed, and thought that staying silent would be better than admiting to it.
faust, please spill the beans. Again, you'd be saving your skin for today.
Wait why would scum hide it more than town? So we lynch faust instead? Hmm I like it. Of course then faust could just name a poor sap that wasn't vanilla'd and is scumreading his partner or something. But that backfires super hard.
Vote: raerae, Joseph is town.
Wait why would scum hide it more than town? So we lynch faust instead? Hmm I like it. Of course then faust could just name a poor sap that wasn't vanilla'd and is scumreading his partner or something. But that backfires super hard.If the Vanillia-ized player was scum, they wouldn't to volunteer any information to the town. Think back to before faust claimed, we didn't even know if there were Aliens in this game. Hiding that type of information from the public sows confusion, makes decision making worse.
And then even if they did say that they were vanilla-ized, that elicits a roleclaim from that. As I've said before, if you're vanilla-ized and town then you're no longer a power role, why not claim?
Also keep in mind that this line of thought is a no brainer. From a vanilla-ized scum's perspective there's no way an Alien would claim today and confirm that someone was vanilla-ized last night. Might as well keep the information to yourself.
I'm glad you shot Glooble then, IMO means that not everyone thinks this.I didn't shoot anyone
If I'd been able to shoot anyone, then probably would have been faust
But he discarded scum so he's town right??????
Why would you want to kill town as SK?
This isn't even logic. By this premise you should assume everybody who discarded town picked scum.
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
Well, if anything I might feed a justifiable reason to scum, I like letting people answer questions for themselves.
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
And on top of that there were no other votes or unvotes between his votes for me.I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
Well, if anything I might feed a justifiable reason to scum, I like letting people answer questions for themselves.
Then why even chime in?
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
And on top of that there were no other votes or unvotes between his votes for me.I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
Well, if anything I might feed a justifiable reason to scum, I like letting people answer questions for themselves.
Then why even chime in?
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
And on top of that there were no other votes or unvotes between his votes for me.I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
Well, if anything I might feed a justifiable reason to scum, I like letting people answer questions for themselves.
Then why even chime in?
I was just saying it made sense to me. *shrugs*
I guess I just won’t say anything next time.
It's weird to not claim AFTER faust says it, is kinda my point. As town or scum, really. But was it obviously good to claim it? Is it obvious now? I mean, I can see town not say it to try and get NKd...It's also weird to not claim after faust says it as well, yeah.
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
And on top of that there were no other votes or unvotes between his votes for me.I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
Well, if anything I might feed a justifiable reason to scum, I like letting people answer questions for themselves.
Then why even chime in?
I was just saying it made sense to me. *shrugs*
I guess I just won’t say anything next time.
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
And on top of that there were no other votes or unvotes between his votes for me.I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
Well, if anything I might feed a justifiable reason to scum, I like letting people answer questions for themselves.
Then why even chime in?
You know me, I vote around. Treat it as a singular vote, should make muuuch more sense.
Raerae are you town?
Actually it depends on how you do the stats. And I may be doing them incorrectlyI'm glad you shot Glooble then, IMO means that not everyone thinks this.I didn't shoot anyone
If I'd been able to shoot anyone, then probably would have been faust
But he discarded scum so he's town right??????
Why would you want to kill town as SK?
This isn't even logic. By this premise you should assume everybody who discarded town picked scum.
Neither of you guys are likely to be doctors or the bloodhound, being so resistant to claiming is a little weird.
Neither of you guys are likely to be doctors or the bloodhound, being so resistant to claiming is a little weird.Under that logic, maybe we should just do a mass claim
Are you perchance calling for a massclaim excluding Galzria?
Under that logic, maybe we should just do a mass claimTempting isn't it.
Why should I claim?
PPE: 1 for my post, didn't see it was thereAre you perchance calling for a massclaim excluding Galzria?Under that logic, maybe we should just do a mass claimTempting isn't it.
Let's wait on faust though.
Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day Two ends at 14:30 UTC, 11/62/19.When is the actual deadline?
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day Two ends at 14:30 UTC, 11/62/19.When is the actual deadline?
November doesn't have 62 days, I'm guessing you mean 26th?
I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
And on top of that there were no other votes or unvotes between his votes for me.I am pretty sure he made the reason clear. I at least have an idea.
Then help a sister out because I haven't seen it.
Well, if anything I might feed a justifiable reason to scum, I like letting people answer questions for themselves.
Then why even chime in?
I was just saying it made sense to me. *shrugs*
I guess I just won’t say anything next time.
Who's scum? Gimme your reads and get an unconditional townread back.
Vote: Space
Vote: Space
Vote: Space
Vote: Space
Vote: Space
Is there any role that makes MiX vote in strange ways?
Vote: Space
Vote: Space
Is there any role that makes MiX vote in strange ways?
I reread everything and no
Vote: Space
Vote: Space
Is there any role that makes MiX vote in strange ways?
I reread everything and no
Yes: I am town.
vote: brightgalrs
Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
Yeah, lunching scum is the absolute worst part of this game.
@brightgalrs, sorry if I missed it, what is your previous mafia experience? You seem very experienced.I played mafia more than 5 years ago on the Heaven Games forums. This is my first game since then.
Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
Yeah, lunching scum is the absolute worst part of this game.
I mean, end of the day, we have a claimed scum who has claimed to still be able to kill. The fact that he A) May himself have a different PR than he’s implied he has, and B) hasn’t been confirmed to be what he claims at all... is just all the more reason to finish the lunch there.
Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
Yeah, lunching scum is the absolute worst part of this game.
I mean, end of the day, we have a claimed scum who has claimed to still be able to kill. The fact that he A) May himself have a different PR than he’s implied he has, and B) hasn’t been confirmed to be what he claims at all... is just all the more reason to finish the lunch there.
Soooooo we agree? Or did I miss another scum claim?
Faust should claim their target. I agree with reasoning that town!target would have claimed by now.Alright. Well, it was DatSwan.
Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
Yeah, lunching scum is the absolute worst part of this game.
I mean, end of the day, we have a claimed scum who has claimed to still be able to kill. The fact that he A) May himself have a different PR than he’s implied he has, and B) hasn’t been confirmed to be what he claims at all... is just all the more reason to finish the lunch there.
Faust should claim their target. I agree with reasoning that town!target would have claimed by now.Alright. Well, it was DatSwan.
Agree with the above. And I don't believe that DatSwan is town, so they'll be one of those many other factionsWhy should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
Yeah, lunching scum is the absolute worst part of this game.
I mean, end of the day, we have a claimed scum who has claimed to still be able to kill. The fact that he A) May himself have a different PR than he’s implied he has, and B) hasn’t been confirmed to be what he claims at all... is just all the more reason to finish the lunch there.
Let's see if I can knock sense into town: THERE ARE FOUR SCUM TEAMS. Since 4 NKs + alien. So now let's see which we would rather kill:
- Mafia, which has more members than werewolf and are set to win on average
- Werewolf, which might only have 2 members now so it's easier to eradicate that NK
- SK, which, if killed, removes an NK
- Alien, which only kills to win, basically
Which of these is our priority? The answer is literally any of the above 3. If we stand around killing alien then scum kills everyone.Faust should claim their target. I agree with reasoning that town!target would have claimed by now.Alright. Well, it was DatSwan.
Vote: Swan
Faust should claim their target. I agree with reasoning that town!target would have claimed by now.Alright. Well, it was DatSwan.
all right. holy hell that is a lot of catch up for one day...There's a few things to say about it, but let's let him claim and explain first.
Extreme Summary:
1) Faust pushed for WW hunting and Mafia hunting prior to being outted by Galz. Combine that with the Galz "PR Reasons" and Faust out and claiming Alien... Faust is probably an Alien. That being said, they could just as easily be another Alien knowing that they have a Vanillaiser... or supposedly they could be making a ballzy play and claiming a PR that is not mentioned knowing that if the Alien Vanillaiser exists they wouldn't speak up - However, I find that last part essentially impossible in reality.
2) Bright is probably Town Vig. It could be a double SK think, followed by the extremely unlikely concept that Alien faction could of fired their only shot on Night 1.... but most likely Bright is Town Vig.
I believe Galz got a result on Faust. And I believe that Faust is what they claim to be. I am a little wary based on how quickly Faust came to claim... but in the end, that factor is a little irrelevant if Faust is NOT Town. Also, since I am pretty sure the Vanillaiser role is not one shot... by leaving faust alive, it just allows him to VT more players... which I guess could be good in the right setting, but also could be extremely unfortunate...
Unless someone has a sound result of evidence on someone else that is skum, I see no reason to not lynch faust today.
Vote: Faust
Aliens!Quite interesting, but maybe a coincidence.
Fun.
Also, Galzria voting faust for PR reasons and faust turning up alien is actually a pretty credible claim to being town, so I suppose I will have to just go and switch up my vote
vote: Datswan
Scum has zero incentive to do our work for us. This is ridiculous. Kill the claimed scum!
Scum has zero incentive to do our work for us. This is ridiculous. Kill the claimed scum!
This.
MiX is dead wrong. You kill scum that can kill when you have the chance. Absolutely 0 part of Faust’s claim is verified. All the other scum factions are going to be hunting for each other at this point, not Town. They’re their own greatest threats to themselves. You absolutely never ever let a claimed killing scum live when given the chance to lynch them.
It seems very unlikely that faust is fakeclaiming his role. I want to hear from DatSwan before deciding who to vote for. Chances are they are both scum that can kill. faust can only kill once. Scum!Swan would be able to kill every night.Scum has zero incentive to do our work for us. This is ridiculous. Kill the claimed scum!
This.
MiX is dead wrong. You kill scum that can kill when you have the chance. Absolutely 0 part of Faust’s claim is verified. All the other scum factions are going to be hunting for each other at this point, not Town. They’re their own greatest threats to themselves. You absolutely never ever let a claimed killing scum live when given the chance to lynch them.
We're at 5 for Swan it looks likes.This makes it look like I'm counting down to a lynch, it's the other way around. We shouldn't be lynching anyone for at least another two RL days, still lots to discuss.
We're at 5 for Swan it looks likes.This makes it look like I'm counting down to a lynch, it's the other way around. We shouldn't be lynching anyone for at least another two RL days, still lots to discuss.
It seems very unlikely that faust is fakeclaiming his role. I want to hear from DatSwan before deciding who to vote for. Chances are they are both scum that can kill. faust can only kill once. Scum!Swan would be able to kill every night.Scum has zero incentive to do our work for us. This is ridiculous. Kill the claimed scum!
This.
MiX is dead wrong. You kill scum that can kill when you have the chance. Absolutely 0 part of Faust’s claim is verified. All the other scum factions are going to be hunting for each other at this point, not Town. They’re their own greatest threats to themselves. You absolutely never ever let a claimed killing scum live when given the chance to lynch them.
We're at 5 for Swan it looks likes.This makes it look like I'm counting down to a lynch, it's the other way around. We shouldn't be lynching anyone for at least another two RL days, still lots to discuss.
Scum has zero incentive to do our work for us. This is ridiculous. Kill the claimed scum!
This.
MiX is dead wrong. You kill scum that can kill when you have the chance. Absolutely 0 part of Faust’s claim is verified. All the other scum factions are going to be hunting for each other at this point, not Town. They’re their own greatest threats to themselves. You absolutely never ever let a claimed killing scum live when given the chance to lynch them.
Then town dies to collateral damage. It's not a feasible plan to kill aliens for the sake of it. If scum's so scared of faust they'll shoot him. Besides we should help scum develop scumreads on each other, which goes hand in hand with playing the day beyond the low hanging fruit.
Deadline's like a week away, explore this first, then decide if the other lynch candidates are so towny you'd rather kill faust.
Scum has zero incentive to do our work for us. This is ridiculous. Kill the claimed scum!
This.
MiX is dead wrong. You kill scum that can kill when you have the chance. Absolutely 0 part of Faust’s claim is verified. All the other scum factions are going to be hunting for each other at this point, not Town. They’re their own greatest threats to themselves. You absolutely never ever let a claimed killing scum live when given the chance to lynch them.
Then town dies to collateral damage. It's not a feasible plan to kill aliens for the sake of it. If scum's so scared of faust they'll shoot him. Besides we should help scum develop scumreads on each other, which goes hand in hand with playing the day beyond the low hanging fruit.
Deadline's like a week away, explore this first, then decide if the other lynch candidates are so towny you'd rather kill faust.
So we're more likely to hunt down unclaimed scum than accidentally hit town? You need to rethink yourself here.
Good enough for meMy gun seems to be broken again.... maybe I'm not meant to be a vig
Shoot: Swan
So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Alien partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
Let's add Galz to the non-town listSo we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
Let's add Galz to the non-town listSo we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
PPE: 1
So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
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Seriously if you think killing faust will let town win you're just taking the path scum wants and town will lose. And you don't care because...you're wrong. This is dumb.
Is everyone but raerae also eating this up?
Let's add Galz to the non-town listSo we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
PPE: 1
Let's add Galz to the non-town listSo we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
PPE: 1
Lol - look at how the scum just jump along with MiX. Definitely the town winning strategy to follow here folks.
Lynch me then and you can see that I'm townLet's add Galz to the non-town listSo we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
PPE: 1
Lol - look at how the scum just jump along with MiX. Definitely the town winning strategy to follow here folks.
Let's add Galz to the non-town listSo we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
PPE: 1
Lol - look at how the scum just jump along with MiX. Definitely the town winning strategy to follow here folks.
I'm glad you're always right, I'm always wrong and I'm the alien and killing alien is correct and town won't be decimated by the rest of the scum. Horraaaaay.
OR I'm actually right about this and we need to kill real NKing scum first.
Lynch me then and you can see that I'm townLet's add Galz to the non-town listSo we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Hmm no...I don't even...what...
Rationality in this town is going out the window and Galzria wants scum to win.
Says scum.
PPE: 1
Lol - look at how the scum just jump along with MiX. Definitely the town winning strategy to follow here folks.
I double-checked, only town and alien would know faust's alignment.I've been thinking about this too.
My conclusion is that Galzria is legit and is either the Bloodhound or the last Conspiracy Theorist.And go look at my earlier post for why I don't think he's Alien-aligned, it'd be literally faction suicide.
I think I’m with Galz on this one. We have claimed scum, let’s lynch ‘em.Scum team much?
Also, we can’t forget that scum NKs can hit each other as well, and they may very well be more scared of each other than of town rn.
Nope actually I’m town. Just saying what scum’s mindset might be.I think I’m with Galz on this one. We have claimed scum, let’s lynch ‘em.Scum team much?
Also, we can’t forget that scum NKs can hit each other as well, and they may very well be more scared of each other than of town rn.
Nobody should claim for the rest of D2 unless you have something truly relevantI was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.
Nobody should claim for the rest of D2 unless you have something truly relevantI was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.
Nobody should claim for the rest of D2 unless you have something truly relevantI was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.
Nobody should claim for the rest of D2 unless you have something truly relevantI was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.
Sounds relevant to me.
I was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.Actually I'm inclined to believe you have 2 partners. Seems like the perfect balance of truth and fiction. You have an incentive to make your faction seem as small and vulnerable as possible, but if you claim it was just you in the faction we'd probably lynch you in a heartbeat to prevent you from using your kill. 1 partner is the perfect number to claim in that regard. As for why you'd lie to us about it at all, it'd throw off everyone's calculations in the end game, and you're faction stands a good chance of coming out on top like that (especially if your faction's single night kill is saved until the end).
This makes sense. Waiting to see what Swan says, but I think lynching faust seems prudent. Hitting scum is good.I was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.Actually I'm inclined to believe you have 2 partners. Seems like the perfect balance of truth and fiction. You have an incentive to make your faction seem as small and vulnerable as possible, but if you claim it was just you in the faction we'd probably lynch you in a heartbeat to prevent you from using your kill. 1 partner is the perfect number to claim in that regard. As for why you'd lie to us about it at all, it'd throw off everyone's calculations in the end game, and you're faction stands a good chance of coming out on top like that (especially if your faction's single night kill is saved until the end).
This line of thinking only makes sense if I was able to choose how many partners I have. Yes, claiming to have one partner when I have 2 makes sense. But claiming to have one partner when I have one makes just as much sense. I would have totally been up for another partner, but EFHW was bad.I was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.Actually I'm inclined to believe you have 2 partners. Seems like the perfect balance of truth and fiction. You have an incentive to make your faction seem as small and vulnerable as possible, but if you claim it was just you in the faction we'd probably lynch you in a heartbeat to prevent you from using your kill. 1 partner is the perfect number to claim in that regard. As for why you'd lie to us about it at all, it'd throw off everyone's calculations in the end game, and you're faction stands a good chance of coming out on top like that (especially if your faction's single night kill is saved until the end).
This line of thinking only makes sense if I was able to choose how many partners I have. Yes, claiming to have one partner when I have 2 makes sense. But claiming to have one partner when I have one makes just as much sense. I would have totally been up for another partner, but EFHW was bad.I was just going to claim who my partner is, but this post convinced me not to.Actually I'm inclined to believe you have 2 partners. Seems like the perfect balance of truth and fiction. You have an incentive to make your faction seem as small and vulnerable as possible, but if you claim it was just you in the faction we'd probably lynch you in a heartbeat to prevent you from using your kill. 1 partner is the perfect number to claim in that regard. As for why you'd lie to us about it at all, it'd throw off everyone's calculations in the end game, and you're faction stands a good chance of coming out on top like that (especially if your faction's single night kill is saved until the end).
Actually, let me get that out of my system while I still can: Vote: EFHW
2) I chose not to say anything at first because I did not see how it would help.Raising the alarm that a Vanillaizer is alive and well, raising the alarm that one of the night kills might've been the Aliens, ruling out a Serial Killer (of course now we "know" this part is unlikely). None of that woul'ved be helpful?
3) I can claim role if we all want that I guess... as it doesn't really matter anymore.That's what I'm looking for. What was your original role?
We're not going to win this game. The moment 4 people died is the moment we lost. That and joth. God dammit joth...Don't be so pessimistic. It's possible there will be a bystander effect with Galzria tonight, the three night kills could all avoid him if they think the other kills will take care of him. Or the opposite could happen where they all try and kill him, killing only a single townie instead of 3.
With all the town deaths there's a pretty high chance we're outnumbered.Why is everybody assuming that we have big full "normal" scum teams??
With all the town deaths there's a pretty high chance we're outnumbered.Why is everybody assuming that we have big full "normal" scum teams??
Isn't that the least likely possibility?
With all the town deaths there's a pretty high chance we're outnumbered.Why is everybody assuming that we have big full "normal" scum teams??
Isn't that the least likely possibility?
I guess always assume the worst.
But I don't feel as pessimistic as MiX nevertheless. Full scum teams (if they exist) as someone noted above should be more afraid of each other than town
To be fair, "of course I would claim" may be your automatic thought process, but I guarantee you there are players who disagree, and players who wouldn't have even thought about the implications.It's weird to not claim AFTER faust says it, is kinda my point. As town or scum, really. But was it obviously good to claim it? Is it obvious now? I mean, I can see town not say it to try and get NKd...It's also weird to not claim after faust says it as well, yeah.
I only looked at it from a vanilla-ized scum's perspective. But imagine you're a town player that was vanilla-ized last night. That information confirms that the Alien faction is active in this game. You'd want to tell everyone, wouldn't you? And it'd definitely be in your first post, ie. way before faust had a chance to tell us what was going on.
To be fair, "of course I would claim" may be your automatic thought process, but I guarantee you there are players who disagree, and players who wouldn't have even thought about the implications.It's weird to not claim AFTER faust says it, is kinda my point. As town or scum, really. But was it obviously good to claim it? Is it obvious now? I mean, I can see town not say it to try and get NKd...It's also weird to not claim after faust says it as well, yeah.
I only looked at it from a vanilla-ized scum's perspective. But imagine you're a town player that was vanilla-ized last night. That information confirms that the Alien faction is active in this game. You'd want to tell everyone, wouldn't you? And it'd definitely be in your first post, ie. way before faust had a chance to tell us what was going on.
Especially in a big crazy-crazy no normal game
Our weapon is a lynch. It is a very untrustworthy weapon as everyone uses it, people can manipulate it. Most scum teams have a kill and scum teams are afraid of that kill of other scum teams.
Shraeye-dar says raerae is not scum. What makes you think she is?Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
we hit
Shraeye-dar says raerae is not scum. What makes you think she is?Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
To be fair, "of course I would claim" may be your automatic thought process, but I guarantee you there are players who disagree, and players who wouldn't have even thought about the implications.It's weird to not claim AFTER faust says it, is kinda my point. As town or scum, really. But was it obviously good to claim it? Is it obvious now? I mean, I can see town not say it to try and get NKd...It's also weird to not claim after faust says it as well, yeah.
I only looked at it from a vanilla-ized scum's perspective. But imagine you're a town player that was vanilla-ized last night. That information confirms that the Alien faction is active in this game. You'd want to tell everyone, wouldn't you? And it'd definitely be in your first post, ie. way before faust had a chance to tell us what was going on.
Especially in a big crazy-crazy no normal game
100000000% agree on shraeye on this.Our weapon is a lynch. It is a very untrustworthy weapon as everyone uses it, people can manipulate it. Most scum teams have a kill and scum teams are afraid of that kill of other scum teams.
Ok so basically my idea rn is there's no freaking way we can neuter NK quantity. Like technically we can with a hail mary but we hit town more than we hit
we hit
The god damn post hotkey.
Ok so basically my idea rn is there's no freaking way we can neuter NK quantity. Like technically we can with a hail mary but we hit town more than we hit SK or lone wolf so we take the scum NK and pray to god that PRs go our way, there's nothing else we can truly do.Shraeye-dar says raerae is not scum. What makes you think she is?Why should I claim?
Because you seem to have tied yourself to faust, claimed scum that you seem resistant to lunching for some reason.
It's boring predictable and what we are going to end up doing. Might as well find other scum while you're at it. Like you.
Wanting to kill faust like it's 100% correct. It's not. But it is correct because this game's gone to hell.
I am off to sleep, I don't think this game is lost.
I am off to sleep, I don't think this game is lost.
Ok I can believe you, sure
Vote: raerae
But I highly doubt there's going to be a better kill than faust if no one claims.
I am off to sleep, I don't think this game is lost.
Ok I can believe you, sure
Vote: raerae
But I highly doubt there's going to be a better kill than faust if no one claims.
I know you're trying to goad me into voting for you to save your BFF faust but, honey, that ain't happening.
I am off to sleep, I don't think this game is lost.
Ok I can believe you, sure
Vote: raerae
But I highly doubt there's going to be a better kill than faust if no one claims.
I know you're trying to goad me into voting for you to save your BFF faust but, honey, that ain't happening.
Right because we all know how well controlling your vote has worked out in the past...
I am off to sleep, I don't think this game is lost.
Ok I can believe you, sure
Vote: raerae
But I highly doubt there's going to be a better kill than faust if no one claims.
I know you're trying to goad me into voting for you to save your BFF faust but, honey, that ain't happening.
Right because we all know how well controlling your vote has worked out in the past...
So then what's your point but to drag this on further?
I am off to sleep, I don't think this game is lost.
Ok I can believe you, sure
Vote: raerae
But I highly doubt there's going to be a better kill than faust if no one claims.
I know you're trying to goad me into voting for you to save your BFF faust but, honey, that ain't happening.
Right because we all know how well controlling your vote has worked out in the past...
So then what's your point but to drag this on further?
I mean I can hammer, I just don't want a quickhammer outside of my control.
Quickhammers are anti-town.
Quickhammers are anti-town.
You still indicated you can control it.
Quickhammers are anti-town.
You still indicated you can control it.
Yes. And? They're not strictly anti-town, just almost always. So controlling it it almost always restricting it.
Quickhammers are anti-town.
You still indicated you can control it.
Yes. And? They're not strictly anti-town, just almost always. So controlling it it almost always restricting it.
Oh ffs.
Any other useful information you can give us Faust, before you snuff it?I think I'll sit on that piece of information until I know for sure that I haven't died.
If one of you was the Prober you could tell us who they wouldve investigated Night 1. And from the lack of report from them we could infer whoever they investigated isn't a Werewolf.
I think I'll sit on that piece of information until I know for sure that I haven't died.You're the one who volunteered the Vanillaiser being in the game... It's in a similar vein. Whatever.
Yeah well, that was when I thought it might prevent my lynch. I don't see that happening if I release additional information, so I have no incentive to do so.I think I'll sit on that piece of information until I know for sure that I haven't died.You're the one who volunteered the Vanillaiser being in the game... It's in a similar vein. Whatever.
Yeah well, that was when I thought it might prevent my lynch. I don't see that happening if I release additional information, so I have no incentive to do so.How about if one of you is the Psychotrooper? It's possible Galzria's apparently productive investigation results are the result of him being a regular cop or seer, and it's just a coincidence you ended up being scum. Would you tell us that?
Yeah well, that was when I thought it might prevent my lynch. I don't see that happening if I release additional information, so I have no incentive to do so.I think I'll sit on that piece of information until I know for sure that I haven't died.You're the one who volunteered the Vanillaiser being in the game... It's in a similar vein. Whatever.
What I find funny is that none of you questioned the fact that a player who discarded an IC role is somehow still alive and apparently hasn't done anything useful last night.
(Looks like it cant be the hammer because of the unvote...)
(Ignore me)
What I find funny is that none of you questioned the fact that a player who discarded an IC role is somehow still alive and apparently hasn't done anything useful last night.
Shall I just be flattered that I'm your best diversion? I'm not even sure that's a thing. Anyway, I'm not going to be baited into revealing anything by doomed scum :-P
I should note that I am getting really short on playing time over the next 48 hours. However, since faust's not in imminent danger of a derphammer right now, I can park a vote there and see how everything shifts overnight.
Vote: faust
Pretty sure that was the hammer.
Holy flurry of activity, folx!Not yet, but if you’re not voting for him you can make it so!
Is faust dead?
Meow!
Meow!
Hoot hoot.
Meow!
Hoot hoot.
What about mail-mi the frog?Meow!
Hoot hoot.
I love you both so much
What about mail-mi the frog?Meow!
Hoot hoot.
I love you both so much
What about mail-mi the frog?Meow!
Hoot hoot.
I love you both so much
Not as cute, but totally respectable. +1
Day Three Start
e has been killed! He was a Town Jack-of-All-Trades!
MiX has been killed! He was an Alien Vanillaiser!
Not Voting (14): pubby, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, Brightgalrs, mail-mi, Uncleeurope, Galzria, shraeye, EFHW, LaLight, Eevee, raerae
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Night Two begins now and ends at 6:00 UTC 11/29/2019.
THREAD UNLOCKED
You may post "I am an Innocent Child. at any time in the main game thread. The mod will then reveal your identity publicly.
I just reread roles and IC is actually activated!Yes this seems like a really good role. You can choose when to be an ICQuoteYou may post "I am an Innocent Child. at any time in the main game thread. The mod will then reveal your identity publicly.
This is insanely good
Vote:DatSwan
Roleclaim. Everything I said yesterday still stands. You were way too resistant to telling us you were vanillaized, and now you're being difficult in telling us what your role was before.
On the Space front, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing, but tried to make it seem like it was a mistake, taking advantage of the confusion to end the day early. The post where he hammered had way too much thought put on into it. If it was a simple message followed by the vote i'd be much more inclined to believe it was incompetence.
Vote:DatSwan
Roleclaim. Everything I said yesterday still stands. You were way too resistant to telling us you were vanillaized, and now you're being difficult in telling us what your role was before.
On the Space front, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing, but tried to make it seem like it was a mistake, taking advantage of the confusion to end the day early. The post where he hammered had way too much thought put on into it. If it was a simple message followed by the vote i'd be much more inclined to believe it was incompetence.
read better.
Vote:DatSwan
Roleclaim. Everything I said yesterday still stands. You were way too resistant to telling us you were vanillaized, and now you're being difficult in telling us what your role was before.
On the Space front, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing, but tried to make it seem like it was a mistake, taking advantage of the confusion to end the day early. The post where he hammered had way too much thought put on into it. If it was a simple message followed by the vote i'd be much more inclined to believe it was incompetence.
read better.
Vote:DatSwan
Roleclaim. Everything I said yesterday still stands. You were way too resistant to telling us you were vanillaized, and now you're being difficult in telling us what your role was before.
On the Space front, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing, but tried to make it seem like it was a mistake, taking advantage of the confusion to end the day early. The post where he hammered had way too much thought put on into it. If it was a simple message followed by the vote i'd be much more inclined to believe it was incompetence.
see how I read your post instead of having a pre composed assault ready for the first thing you said?
read better.
also, space prefers they or she. I have messed it up enough myself, but it is their preference.
Vote:DatSwan
Roleclaim. Everything I said yesterday still stands. You were way too resistant to telling us you were vanillaized, and now you're being difficult in telling us what your role was before.
On the Space front, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing, but tried to make it seem like it was a mistake, taking advantage of the confusion to end the day early. The post where he hammered had way too much thought put on into it. If it was a simple message followed by the vote i'd be much more inclined to believe it was incompetence.
see how I read your post instead of having a pre composed assault ready for the first thing you said?
read better.
also, space prefers they or she. I have messed it up enough myself, but it is their preference.
read better.Yeah I see it now.
DatSwan discarded Nurse – Turned Vanilla Night 1 - I chose 1-Shot Kingmaker. I did not use my shot Night 1.What would your strategy have been? What was your thought process?
also your pursuit of my role claim is extremely skummy. I could easily fake claim most things as skum. Also, your unwillingness to read through one of (if not my only) substantial post, prior to hammering down on your channel that you already were pursing is continually skummy. .You're far better off admitting to your mistake, that you should've told us you were vanillaized ASAP, then lashing out like a child a casting suspicion on me. Do you seriously deny that your behavior yesterday was illogical? This is independent of any suspicion, if you are town, you fucked up.
read better.Yeah I see it now.QuoteDatSwan discarded Nurse – Turned Vanilla Night 1 - I chose 1-Shot Kingmaker. I did not use my shot Night 1.What would your strategy have been? What was your thought process?also your pursuit of my role claim is extremely skummy. I could easily fake claim most things as skum. Also, your unwillingness to read through one of (if not my only) substantial post, prior to hammering down on your channel that you already were pursing is continually skummy. .You're far better off admitting to your mistake, that you should've told us you were vanillaized ASAP, then lashing out like a child a casting suspicion on me. Do you seriously deny that your behavior yesterday was illogical? This is independent of any suspicion, if you are town, you fucked up.
Vote:LL
Vote: LLVote:LL
You don't put spaces, because you don't want Space to be in your vote?
On the Space front, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing.
Good morning, peoples!
Oh, pour one out for e. He was bringing much needed levity to the game.
I like what Swan is doing more than I like what Brighty is doing.
I have already stated that I was going to come out with it prior to the end of day. Why would I admit it at the beginning? All that does is give the ones that know it was done a channel to start segueing the conversations of the day towards that topic.I'm not following how that conversation would go.
they were lying (which I called), and then someone happened to kill MiX which puts all the effort to vain. But it wasn't useless at the time I did it.faust never claimed to be the Vanillaizer, just that his faction had one. It appears you mistakenly believed that. However, it appears you did indeed believe he was lying about that:
I suppose it doesn't have to be him who did it
I am not saying that town should ever withhold relevant info... but like, to an extent.That's what all this is all about. You had information that didn't reach that extent, yet kept it withheld because... conversations could've been steered in that direction? Or.. you didn't see how it would help?
There is a difference between me "not claiming it" and there being literally less than a IRL day between me checking in and then people finding me skummy for not saying something.Suspicion was directed at you (then-unknown to us) since faust claimed.
2) I chose not to say anything at first because I did not see how it would help. Then Faust claimed.The less than IRL day you are talking about is between events 5 and 6. But suspicion had been cast on you since event 3, when faust claimed.
I like what Swan is doing more than I like what Brighty is doing.Following through on yesterday's events? Would've been weird if everyone just forgot about it, wouldn't it?
Vote: SwanOkay, Unvote: DatSwan. I'm clearly being distracting.
No, sorry still at 8 for Faust.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXcMV-d_2Js
Vote: faust
On the Space front, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing.
As others have now said, I'm not a "he". I react almost as badly to being "default he" online as I do to being called "lady" or "ma'am" IRL.. please stick to they/them if you can handle that, or she/her if not. Thanks!
As for knowing what I'm doing, take a look at the timestamp and my timezone :-P It was 01.20am for me at that point, and I have to try to be actually asleep by 01.00 in order to be functional in the office the next day. I saw that Joseph had unvoted amidst a discussion on not wanting a hammer, so I dropped a vote and then felt okay about going to bed. Obviously you have no reason or evidence to believe me, but people who know my meta can probably tell you that being verbose and explaining things is just me, especially when super-sleepy :-)
Also, just checked my QT and I got vanilla'd.What was your role before?
What was your role before?He shouldn't claim before, say, Space does. The point I'm making with Swan is that he acted suspiciously, and then was resistant to roleclaiming. Being a role with no abilities (meaning there's no danger to them if they claim) isn't grounds to make someone claim.
What was your role before?He shouldn't claim before, say, Space does. The point I'm making with Swan is that he acted suspiciously, and then was resistant to roleclaiming. Being a role with no abilities (meaning there's no danger to them if they claim) isn't grounds to make someone claim.
Post and word count for yesterday will be posted shortly.
Also, just checked my QT and I got vanilla'd.What was your role before?
Possibly because it is only situationally better than VT.
Does the lover thing go away with the vanilla thing? Presumably no because it isn’t strictly part of the role.
Possibly because it is only situationally better than VT.The role for alien vanillaiser says "That player will lose all of their abilities", so I assume so
Does the lover thing go away with the vanilla thing? Presumably no because it isn’t strictly part of the role.
Mod question: if a lover is vanilla-ised, do they lose the lover effect?
Mod question: if a lover is vanilla-ised, do they lose the lover effect?
Town Nymphomaniac. Honestly, how could I pass that up?Please tell me this is a joke.
Brightgalrs | 36 | 2109 |
MiX | 73 | 2029 |
faust | 37 | 977 |
Galzria | 22 | 673 |
Joseph2302 | 39 | 612 |
LaLight | 27 | 550 |
DatSwan | 2 | 444 |
raerae | 24 | 436 |
Uncleeurope | 18 | 367 |
WestCoastDidds | 14 | 333 |
EFHW | 14 | 296 |
SpaceAnemone | 3 | 244 |
2.71828..... | 12 | 219 |
shraeye | 11 | 205 |
mail-mi | 9 | 159 |
pubby | 2 | 92 |
Eevee | 6 | 81 |
Town Nymphomaniac. Honestly, how could I pass that up?Please tell me this is a joke.
Post/Word Count for Day 2:
Brightgalrs 36 2109 MiX 73 2029 faust 37 977 Galzria 22 673 Joseph2302 39 612 LaLight 27 550 DatSwan 2 444 raerae 24 436 Uncleeurope 18 367 WestCoastDidds 14 333 EFHW 14 296 SpaceAnemone 3 244 2.71828..... 12 219 shraeye 11 205 mail-mi 9 159 pubby 2 92 Eevee 6 81
SozMod question: if a lover is vanilla-ised, do they lose the lover effect?
Party pooper, I was looking forward to seeing Eddie's response.
Surely that role is worse than VT?Town Nymphomaniac. Honestly, how could I pass that up?Please tell me this is a joke.
Post/Word Count for Day 2:
Brightgalrs 36 2109 MiX 73 2029 faust 37 977 Galzria 22 673 Joseph2302 39 612 LaLight 27 550 DatSwan 2 444 raerae 24 436 Uncleeurope 18 367 WestCoastDidds 14 333 EFHW 14 296 SpaceAnemone 3 244 2.71828..... 12 219 shraeye 11 205 mail-mi 9 159 pubby 2 92 Eevee 6 81
I'd LOVE to but simply can't.
Possibly because it is only situationally better than VT.It is absolutely not better than a VT (in the sense that it helps the town).
During Night One, you must target another player. You and that player will become Lovers; if one of you dies, you will both die. If you do not submit a target, the mod will pick one at random.He was forced to pick someone Night One to be his lover. He would have to strike gold (become lover with scum) with pretty limited information to have a positive effect on the game. And then he'd have to get nightkilled or lynched for it to pay off at all. But then there's the risk that we lynch his lover and he dies for no reason, so it's probably a wash in that regard. Picking an active over a passive role does give him some credit though.
What was your role before?He shouldn't claim before, say, Space does.
Also, just checked my QT and I got vanilla'd.What was your role before?
Town Nymphomaniac. Honestly, how could I pass that up?
And only 2 kills this time, interesting. Presumably one got blocked or multiple killers targetted the same personUhh what? We were expecting 1 mafia kill and 1 werewolf kill, no? The aliens presumably already used their kill (and are also probably all dead now), as did the vig.
Possibly because it is only situationally better than VT.It is absolutely not better than a VT (in the sense that it helps the town).QuoteDuring Night One, you must target another player. You and that player will become Lovers; if one of you dies, you will both die. If you do not submit a target, the mod will pick one at random.He was forced to pick someone Night One to be his lover. He would have to strike gold (become lover with scum) with pretty limited information to have a positive effect on the game. And then he'd have to get nightkilled or lynched for it to pay off at all. But then there's the risk that we lynch his lover and he dies for no reason, so it's probably a wash in that regard. Picking an active over a passive role does give him some credit though.
I suppose the question now is who did you pick to be your lover? and can they confirm that that actually happened? The created-lover in question doesn't even have to claim anymore than that. And now since raerae has been washed clean of his lover status, there's no risk of a double kill, no danger in coming forward.
Possibly because it is only situationally better than VT.
Does the lover thing go away with the vanilla thing? Presumably no because it isn’t strictly part of the role.
Nope, 100% because I have the humor of a 13 year old boy and think it's hilarious.
Why do you think it isn't part of the role? What do you think the role is?
Possibly because it is only situationally better than VT.It is absolutely not better than a VT (in the sense that it helps the town).QuoteDuring Night One, you must target another player. You and that player will become Lovers; if one of you dies, you will both die. If you do not submit a target, the mod will pick one at random.He was forced to pick someone Night One to be his lover. He would have to strike gold (become lover with scum) with pretty limited information to have a positive effect on the game. And then he'd have to get nightkilled or lynched for it to pay off at all. But then there's the risk that we lynch his lover and he dies for no reason, so it's probably a wash in that regard. Picking an active over a passive role does give him some credit though.
I suppose the question now is who did you pick to be your lover? and can they confirm that that actually happened? The created-lover in question doesn't even have to claim anymore than that. And now since raerae has been washed clean of his lover status, there's no risk of a double kill, no danger in coming forward.
Possibly because it is only situationally better than VT.It is absolutely not better than a VT (in the sense that it helps the town).QuoteDuring Night One, you must target another player. You and that player will become Lovers; if one of you dies, you will both die. If you do not submit a target, the mod will pick one at random.He was forced to pick someone Night One to be his lover. He would have to strike gold (become lover with scum) with pretty limited information to have a positive effect on the game. And then he'd have to get nightkilled or lynched for it to pay off at all. But then there's the risk that we lynch his lover and he dies for no reason, so it's probably a wash in that regard. Picking an active over a passive role does give him some credit though.
I suppose the question now is who did you pick to be your lover? and can they confirm that that actually happened? The created-lover in question doesn't even have to claim anymore than that. And now since raerae has been washed clean of his lover status, there's no risk of a double kill, no danger in coming forward.
I believe that you just described a situationally better than VT role. But fair enough, perhaps I wasn’t strong enough in my language.
And she should not claim lover until we know if the lover part went away, right?
Or, let's get down even further in the dirt, why would you assume I picked anyone at all.Okay. But your role forces you to. Don't you remember?
During Night One, you must target another player. You and that player will become Lovers; if one of you dies, you will both die. If you do not submit a target, the mod will pick one at random.Did you simply not give a player's name? Why even pick the role then if you aren't going to do the most "fun' part of it?
I apologize for all the default-he-ing I'm doing, no disrespect is meant at all and I'll avoid it in the future.Or, let's get down even further in the dirt, why would you assume I picked anyone at all.Okay. But your role forces you to. Don't you remember?QuoteDuring Night One, you must target another player. You and that player will become Lovers; if one of you dies, you will both die. If you do not submit a target, the mod will pick one at random.Did you simply not give a player's name? Why even pick the role then if you aren't going to do the most "fun' part of it?
Y’all are playing chess, and assuming that raerae is playing chess and thinking through moves in the same way that you are. Thing is, she’s almost certainly playing rummikub or splendor of some such and has an internal logic all her own.
Rae is super smart and strategic, but she isn’t predictable beyond RVS voting for Shraeye. (Which is fair, see the increasingly full uterus as evidence.)
@raerae And you telling me not to give you advice is going to go over my head as well. Don’t tell me to stop talking about optimizing thing. [Adequate snarky response]
In all seriousness, surely knowing our opinions on the subject can’t be bad. Whether you listen to it is of no importance to me (except I might lynch you if you disagree, of course ;)).
I don’t think we should be voting for bright right now. I have reasons to believe that he is town. (I’m not 100% sure, but you know).Thanks.
Is it not in scum's best interest to fake-claim being vanillized? Like, the vanillizer died, so it's not like anyone can prove/disprove your claim.I thought aliens had said they didn't use their kill N1?And only 2 kills this time, interesting. Presumably one got blocked or multiple killers targetted the same personUhh what? We were expecting 1 mafia kill and 1 werewolf kill, no? The aliens presumably already used their kill (and are also probably all dead now), as did the vig.
Did you just accidentally reveal yourself as SK?
To make the third point clearer, raerae is not a heWhat was your role before?He shouldn't claim before, say, Space does.
1. You fishing for my role isn't a pro-town thing to do at this point.
2. The fact you're backing down so easily on pushing Swan is weird.
3. You need to check your pronoun/gender assumptions on more players than just me...
Protective roles would have two people to worry about was my point.Yes that's true.
The Nymphomaniac, however, creates a separate Lover group when it uses its action on Night 1. It is not part of any pre-existing Lover groups at gamestart.Although maybe Kernel can confirm this is true as well.
I'd LOVE to but simply can't.Just got this. You're alright.
What makes you think that person knows they were targeted?This might seem a bit picky, but shouldn't you know that?
What makes you think that person knows they were targeted?This might seem a bit picky, but shouldn't you know that?
The first thing I did when I picked my role, before it was even confirmed if the game's setup would work out, was ask Kernel how my kill works in specific situations. And it was stupid stuff like who would die if I target a PGO, what exactly happens if I get reloaded by the Reloader, and does my kill go through if I die.
"Will my chosen Lover know they have become a Lover?" would have been one of those question if I had picked the Nymphomaniac.
Second, answering a question with a question is suspect at best.My mistake, I thought you were asking with a different emphasis.
Second, answering a question with a question is suspect at best.My mistake, I thought you were asking with a different emphasis.
Answer: Always the optimist, I'm considering the the best case scenario. It's the best case scenario for you because someone can step forward and vouch for your roleclaim. For me and everyone else here, we can cross off two player from being scum, or else tie them together in our future suspicions.
The "worst" (it's not really bad at all) case scenario is that you're right, the Lover you created doesn't know, and you've claimed a role that can't be verified without going into the next night and we should move back to Space or Swan or whoever.
Why would the person I picked be town?Are you saying that they might not come forward as we expect them to, leaving you in an awkwardly suspicious position? I dunno, that seems a little unlikely seeing as you could just tell us who you picked as your lover. It would cast a lot of suspicion on them if it came to that.
Why would the person I picked be town?Are you saying that they might not come forward as we expect them to, leaving you in an awkwardly suspicious position? I dunno, that seems a little unlikely seeing as you could just tell us who you picked as your lover. It would cast a lot of suspicion on them if it came to that.
Would the Town Nymphomaniac’s target know they’ve fallen in love?
Mod question: if a Lover that was created by the Nymphomaniac gets Vanillaized, do they (the created-Lover) lose their Lover effect?
Mod question: if a Nymphomaniac that used their power to create a Lover gets Vanillaized, do they (Nymphomaniac) lose their Lover effect?
I kinda feel like you're the only one who thinks I'm suspicious right now but I can't for the life of me figure out exactly why.But you're Lover could just step forward and all suspicion would evaporate. And if that doesn't happen after a certain amount of time, you could just tell us who you picked.
You also seem to have a lot of information about my role.No, not besides what I've read on the Role PM page and that MafiaWiki article. But we will when Kernel gets back to us.
That leads me to believe that the person I picked just might could be your partner and you're trying to clear them so they can claim.If you suspect your Lover to be scum, you should say who your Lover is. I hope you at least say who it is before you lynch me.
Would the Town Nymphomaniac’s target know they’ve fallen in love?No
To be clear, my suspicion has evaporated.Would the Town Nymphomaniac’s target know they’ve fallen in love?Oof. Forget I said anything at all.
No
Catching up
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Ok this is weird. I thought you already flipped werewolf and then I realised it was a dream when I saw your post
Catching up
Ok this is weird. I thought you already flipped werewolf and then I realised it was a dream when I saw your post
Was it a prophetic dream?
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Ok this is weird. I thought you already flipped werewolf and then I realised it was a dream when I saw your post
Was it a prophetic dream?
Catching up
Ok this is weird. I thought you already flipped werewolf and then I realised it was a dream when I saw your post
Was it a prophetic dream?
We'll seer
Sorry, but what exactly is the risk of raerae's created-Lover coming forward?The lovers were all grouped together. If there were more than two, hers is still at risk.
Hm, I'm not sure what to make of this.Catching up
Ok this is weird. I thought you already flipped werewolf and then I realised it was a dream when I saw your post
No her and her lover are a separate group.Sorry, but what exactly is the risk of raerae's created-Lover coming forward?The lovers were all grouped together. If there were more than two, hers is still at risk.
shraeye discarded Compulsive Childkiller - I personally think that this role has the potential for a HUGE amount of positive utility. Also, that utility is dependent upon someone NOT throwing away IC (which, while it did happen, could not realistically be expected to happen). Shraeye is smart, so I doubt they did not also consider this same utility. This is a sore thumb for me. I do not know if I could of taken most cop roles over this is given the choice.
No her and her lover are a separate group.Sorry, but what exactly is the risk of raerae's created-Lover coming forward?The lovers were all grouped together. If there were more than two, hers is still at risk.
shraeye discarded Compulsive Childkiller - I personally think that this role has the potential for a HUGE amount of positive utility. Also, that utility is dependent upon someone NOT throwing away IC (which, while it did happen, could not realistically be expected to happen). Shraeye is smart, so I doubt they did not also consider this same utility. This is a sore thumb for me. I do not know if I could of taken most cop roles over this is given the choice.
What is the positive utility? It seems strictly negative utility to me.
Again, just because you wanted to know every intricacy of your role, doesn't mean everybody else wants that level of detailWhat makes you think that person knows they were targeted?This might seem a bit picky, but shouldn't you know that?
The first thing I did when I picked my role, before it was even confirmed if the game's setup would work out, was ask Kernel how my kill works in specific situations. And it was stupid stuff like who would die if I target a PGO, what exactly happens if I get reloaded by the Reloader, and does my kill go through if I die.
"Will my chosen Lover know they have become a Lover?" would have been one of those question if I had picked the Nymphomaniac.
You think she's lying about what role she had? That is somewhere between 98% and 190% unlikely.Second, answering a question with a question is suspect at best.My mistake, I thought you were asking with a different emphasis.
Answer: Always the optimist, I'm considering the the best case scenario. It's the best case scenario for you because someone can step forward and vouch for your roleclaim. For me and everyone else here, we can cross off two player from being scum, or else tie them together in our future suspicions.
The "worst" (it's not really bad at all) case scenario is that you're right, the Lover you created doesn't know, and you've claimed a role that can't be verified without going into the next night and we should move back to Space or Swan or whoever.
Nice oneNo her and her lover are a separate group.Sorry, but what exactly is the risk of raerae's created-Lover coming forward?The lovers were all grouped together. If there were more than two, hers is still at risk.
But we'll always have Paris...
It's either A) a named townie, which is 1-4% better than VT or B) replaces an IC with a different IC*shraeye discarded Compulsive Childkiller - I personally think that this role has the potential for a HUGE amount of positive utility. Also, that utility is dependent upon someone NOT throwing away IC (which, while it did happen, could not realistically be expected to happen). Shraeye is smart, so I doubt they did not also consider this same utility. This is a sore thumb for me. I do not know if I could of taken most cop roles over this is given the choice.
What is the positive utility? It seems strictly negative utility to me.
Rae - Why did you claim? As in, what benefit did you see it serving claiming after MiX had died?
Again, just because you wanted to know every intricacy of your role, doesn't mean everybody else wants that level of detail"Just because you would X, doesn't mean everybody else would X". Are you going to repeat this line of thought in defense of everyone I find suspicious?
You think she's lying about what role she had? That is somewhere between 98% and 190% unlikely.It's called suspicion. The only way I could've gotten to your 98% or 190% confidence would've been if there was someone here who could vouched for her roleclaim. Kernel deflated that possibility though.
I'm not sure what makes you think a scum would come forward saying they were vanilized with no promptingThere's no real risk at this point. We all know there was a Vanilla-izer. Claiming you were vanilla-ized and giving away nothing else isn't too damaging no matter what your alignment or role is.
then pick a random role and hope nobody else had it. What scum would do that instead of say, not claiming anything?Going to invoke WIFOM on this one. But the thing is she picked one of the pretty terrible roles. It's an active role vs a passive role, and it's a pretty funny one, points for that, but objectively it's pretty bad for the town. Based on the discard list, who could've had Nymphomaniac as one of their choices? Based on my ordering of all the roles by utility, it would've been (coincidentally) me or you. Insert your "Just because you would X, doesn't mean everybody else would X" argument here.
That didn't happen, so maybe points in raerae's favor. There's still a bunch of ways it wouldn't have happened at all, like if none of them checked the thread or they did in fact did know all this stuff or they were waiting for Kernel's response to do anything at all. But it might be something.Would the Town Nymphomaniac’s target know they’ve fallen in love?No
I can get aboard with this. vote: brightgalrsSkipped this RL yesterday. This was opportunistic.
Brighty says he smells.Like lavender of course.
Space, what the heck!No, sorry still at 8 for Faust.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXcMV-d_2JsVote: faust
Mix you scared me to death, thought you mistakenly hammered. Should be at 7 now with Joseph's unvote.
I mean, you made exactly the same mistake I did.. you just did it while under a lot less time pressure to be asleep :-PTrue. And you did indeed post at 8:20pm, about when you would go to bed going by your profile's statistics. I feel a bit creepy saying that.
-- that and Joseph's unvote were the things that made me drop a vote, because voting in that situation seemed better than going to bed again without doing something. I definitely did not intend for it to be a hammer.Really my suspicion came from the quote you posted in your hammer post:
It made it seem like you read the thread quite well, up to where I gave the right vote tally and beyond. Now I see that it actually comes from a few posts before. It's plausible you read faust's post, then up to my initial miscounted tally, and then decided to post at that point.What I find funny is that none of you questioned the fact that a player who discarded an IC role is somehow still alive and apparently hasn't done anything useful last night.
I feel pretty opportunistic myself. vote: Lalight. Let's see if anyone is inspired to post something.Seems decent enough
Sorry, freaking busy for a semi-serious game at the moment, will catch up tomorrow.I was pretty sure your inactivity was an attempt to fake your death, so I didn't say anything. :P
Sorry, freaking busy for a semi-serious game at the moment, will catch up tomorrow.I was pretty sure your inactivity was an attempt to fake your death, so I didn't say anything. :P
I will repeat it over and over until either A) you change how you approach other people's decisions to account for how likely OTHER PEOPLE would do action Z, or B) you confess that you aren't as interested in figuring out who's decisions truly are scummy as you are with having an acceptable reason to put suspicion on others.Again, just because you wanted to know every intricacy of your role, doesn't mean everybody else wants that level of detail"Just because you would X, doesn't mean everybody else would X". Are you going to repeat this line of thought in defense of everyone I find suspicious?
When she claimed vanilla-ized, the followup question is always "what was your role?" Don't separate the two parts.I'm not sure what makes you think a scum would come forward saying they were vanilized with no promptingThere's no real risk at this point. We all know there was a Vanilla-izer. Claiming you were vanilla-ized and giving away nothing else isn't too damaging no matter what your alignment or role is.
Going to invoke WIFOM on this one. But the thing is she picked one of the pretty terrible roles.It isn't terrible. In fact, it can act somewhat as a 1-shot vig...which is the role you thought was ok enough to pick. So, why is 1-shot vig worth picking while nymphomaniac isn't? ?? ?
LaLight very clearly wants anyone to die that isn’t him. EFHW seems overly... cautious...? For what I normally would associate with her.
Also, I think it is disingenuous to say that Nymph and 1-shot Vig are 1:1, nymph only acts like a 1-Shot Vig in the sense that it kills a player. This choice on who to kill is random, and hugely inconsistent
To say that Bright picking the vig should allow him to justify raerae is about as much of a stretch as I would expect from you..
LaLight very clearly wants anyone to die that isn’t him. EFHW seems overly... cautious...? For what I normally would associate with her.
Also, I think it is disingenuous to say that Nymph and 1-shot Vig are 1:1, nymph only acts like a 1-Shot Vig in the sense that it kills a player. This choice on who to kill is random, and hugely inconsistent
To say that Bright picking the vig should allow him to justify raerae is about as much of a stretch as I would expect from you..
Re:LL, how terribly shocking and unexpected.
Nope, my partner was very carefully thought out. It only would have been randomized had I not picked anyone N1.
LaLight very clearly wants anyone to die that isn’t him. EFHW seems overly... cautious...? For what I normally would associate with her.
Also, I think it is disingenuous to say that Nymph and 1-shot Vig are 1:1, nymph only acts like a 1-Shot Vig in the sense that it kills a player. This choice on who to kill is random, and hugely inconsistent
To say that Bright picking the vig should allow him to justify raerae is about as much of a stretch as I would expect from you..
Re:LL, how terribly shocking and unexpected.
Nope, my partner was very carefully thought out. It only would have been randomized had I not picked anyone N1.
Ah, my mistake, let me throw up a statement here where I make it clear that I will vote for any other player in this game regardless of other factors influencing game state. Obviously to have any other stance would be against the laws of logic.
When do you pick the player?
The nights before the game starts, or the night after the first lynch?
Someone with numbers, help me out: is LaLight or EFHW wagon more of a thing?They aren't things. I was just trying to jumpstart the game. unvote.
Someone with psychologies, help me out: which of the LaLight or EFHW wagon should be more of a thing?
I feel youSomeone with numbers, help me out: is LaLight or EFHW wagon more of a thing?They aren't things. I was just trying to jumpstart the game. unvote.
Someone with psychologies, help me out: which of the LaLight or EFHW wagon should be more of a thing?
@Eddie, I'm not being cautious (see opportunistic vote above), more like not engaged but trying to get there.
@Bright, would you be able to give an updated list from your simulation where you marginalise only over the games that contained at least two aliens and at least one WW (and were otherwise acceptable scenarios?). Sorry I didn't get a chance to put together my own simulator over the weekend.First, I am using a slightly more detailed hierarchy than what I did on Nov 18. So rerunning what I did then, here's what it looks like now, not too different:
LaLight very clearly wants anyone to die that isn’t him. EFHW seems overly... cautious...? For what I normally would associate with her.
Also, I think it is disingenuous to say that Nymph and 1-shot Vig are 1:1, nymph only acts like a 1-Shot Vig in the sense that it kills a player. This choice on who to kill is random, and hugely inconsistent
To say that Bright picking the vig should allow him to justify raerae is about as much of a stretch as I would expect from you..
Then doing what you said and rejecting further, we get this:
Expected values:
Town: 13.0
Alien: 2.58
Mafia: 3.12
Werewolf: 2.95
Cult: 0.47
SerialKiller: 0.47
Lyncher: 0.23
Survivor: 0.19
Yes, the Alien number jumps up a bit, making a third somewhat likely. Keep in min, if only 2+ Alien games are allowed then of course the expected number of Aliens will be above 2. And then everything else falls a little, that too is to be expected.
Also, are all your accepted games consistent with the four N1 NKs?Yep. Although, three....
I've caught up nowDespite what I said on Day 2, and despite what the numbers say, I really don't think there is a 3rd Alien.
And I think based on faust's willingness to claim that it's more likely that there are 3 scum, as he knew losing 1 alien wouldn't be so bad
If the expected number is 2.54, that means 3 is slightly more likely than 2 anyway, based only on the maths. And the actual game makes me more sure that there are more aliens
I don't have much idea either.Clearly not with a vote like that
vote: joseph
Filtering the games to have at least 1 vigilante or one-shot vigilante shouldn't affect the final results, since it's summarized by alignment.
But then again, maybe it should and it might. All the other filters are "factual".
Serial killer benefited greatly from my error.
I feel well and thoroughly stalled. I don’t have much of sense of how to get going again and the game is still so big it feels overwhelming. Halp!
I didn't get very far with the wagons as far as LL goes, but I'm well aware of how lurky he can be these days, having had a hard time finding things to legitimately "townread" him for in our last game.
I did notice that I don't really like Mail-mi's voting pattern, though.
D1: he spent most of the day voting for people who've now flipped town. In particular, at one point he was on a 5-person Joth wagon, where he, Bright and Galz were the only unflipped people involved, and the other two were our flipped Aliens. So I think it's likely he's not an Alien.
D2: he voted Bright for most of the day, before jumping over to the faust wagon for the lynch. That would be consistent with being a faction that wants the aliens gone, especially since he was a vocal supporter of the plan to lynch off claimed scum, without engaging witht he question of whether we definitely want to go after aliens over other factions that have regular NKs.
D3: he voted for me in 3rd place behind LL and Swan, so there's clearly a bit of omgus from me, but also he's clearly wrong. He switched to EFHW at #928.. She didn't have a wagon at all at that point, though it's grown to four people in 30 posts, which is pretty quick. So maybe he's in a scum faction who're afraid of EFHW for some reason and trying to make a push?
I think I like Vote: Mail-mi more than the current wagon options.
Though also, I made an actual serious Mail-mi vote back at #962, and now I can hear crickets chirping. If you're not a fan of my reasoning on that one, please do share...
Space, I’m sorry to hear that you are not feeling well and I hope that you kick whatever it is quickly. It seems like the short days and early evenings make feeling puny that much worse. I’m pulling for you!
Rae, talk to me about bright. He’s driving so much of the content right now. Does scum stick their neck out like that?
This is a holiday week for the US players so our availability will likely become irregular. Well, it will for me at least. Still around, but at different times than usual.
ADK, you have me voting twice in that last vote count. I’m on EFHW, currently.
xoxo
Rae - Why did you claim? As in, what benefit did you see it serving claiming after MiX had died?
I didn't see any downside either so why not get some chatter about it?
Rae - Why did you claim? As in, what benefit did you see it serving claiming after MiX had died?
I didn't see any downside either so why not get some chatter about it?
I guess I just don't get why you claimed it outright without any pressure?
There was no push or reason for you to claim.
It is a weird non-verifiable claim.
And as we have KOd 2 aliens and 1 WW, with this many players alive Mafia is just as concerned with Town PRs as they are with other NK potentials. So by claiming you removed yourself from all the kill potential, while supposedly not having any abilities, yet still must of known that your claim would not bring you anywhere near an IC (or even MIC) status.
So yeah... actually there is a downside, and more importantly... there is just like NO upside.
Can you give us something better than "no downside" here? Chatter can be created by doing a ton of stuff, you attempting to eliminate yourself for the lynch pool is moderately suspicious given the lack of information the chatter could potentially create.
Rae - Why did you claim? As in, what benefit did you see it serving claiming after MiX had died?
I didn't see any downside either so why not get some chatter about it?
I guess I just don't get why you claimed it outright without any pressure?
There was no push or reason for you to claim.
It is a weird non-verifiable claim.
And as we have KOd 2 aliens and 1 WW, with this many players alive Mafia is just as concerned with Town PRs as they are with other NK potentials. So by claiming you removed yourself from all the kill potential, while supposedly not having any abilities, yet still must of known that your claim would not bring you anywhere near an IC (or even MIC) status.
So yeah... actually there is a downside, and more importantly... there is just like NO upside.
Can you give us something better than "no downside" here? Chatter can be created by doing a ton of stuff, you attempting to eliminate yourself for the lynch pool is moderately suspicious given the lack of information the chatter could potentially create.
So, I'm scummy for coming forward at all? If I wait, like you did, I'm scummy but if I just come forward, like I did, I'm also scummy?
I didn't get very far with the wagons as far as LL goes, but I'm well aware of how lurky he can be these days, having had a hard time finding things to legitimately "townread" him for in our last game.
I did notice that I don't really like Mail-mi's voting pattern, though.
D1: he spent most of the day voting for people who've now flipped town. In particular, at one point he was on a 5-person Joth wagon, where he, Bright and Galz were the only unflipped people involved, and the other two were our flipped Aliens. So I think it's likely he's not an Alien.
D2: he voted Bright for most of the day, before jumping over to the faust wagon for the lynch. That would be consistent with being a faction that wants the aliens gone, especially since he was a vocal supporter of the plan to lynch off claimed scum, without engaging witht he question of whether we definitely want to go after aliens over other factions that have regular NKs.
D3: he voted for me in 3rd place behind LL and Swan, so there's clearly a bit of omgus from me, but also he's clearly wrong. He switched to EFHW at #928.. She didn't have a wagon at all at that point, though it's grown to four people in 30 posts, which is pretty quick. So maybe he's in a scum faction who're afraid of EFHW for some reason and trying to make a push?
I think I like Vote: Mail-mi more than the current wagon options.
Flagging this to respond to it later
So I don’t forget....I won't be up for deadline. My last availability will be about 7pm forum time on Thursday
Deadline is 1:00 forum time on Friday morning. That’s the night of Thanksgiving for US folks.
Admittedly it has more to do with my shock about not being voting right now, but I think raerae is coming off townier from their exchange.Same
Despite my terrible post count, I've been reading along and I'll try to help us get a lynch through. You'd think that tomorrow we'd start to get some conflicting claims flying and lynching scum should get easier for us, so I'm not feeling so terrible about a no lynch though.
I think the game is too big and the factions are too multiple for wagon analysis or really reading of any kind. I'm just trying to not have the players I find towny lynched, and wait for the field clear a bit and the night actions starting to emerge so the picture becomes a little less murky. If we are not endgamed before that.
Admittedly it has more to do with my shock about not being voting right now, but I think raerae is coming off townier from their exchange.Same here. Although I am finding most people somewhat scummy right now
Despite my terrible post count, I've been reading along and I'll try to help us get a lynch through. You'd think that tomorrow we'd start to get some conflicting claims flying and lynching scum should get easier for us, so I'm not feeling so terrible about a no lynch though.
I think the game is too big and the factions are too multiple for wagon analysis or really reading of any kind. I'm just trying to not have the players I find towny lynched, and wait for the field clear a bit and the night actions starting to emerge so the picture becomes a little less murky. If we are not endgamed before that.
We don't have to wait for Friday. vote: No LynchNo lynch is no information though?
I know, but I'm bored!We don't have to wait for Friday. vote: No LynchNo lynch is no information though?
Vote: EFHWI know, but I'm bored!We don't have to wait for Friday. vote: No LynchNo lynch is no information though?
I know, but I'm bored!We don't have to wait for Friday. vote: No LynchNo lynch is no information though?
I don't think he's scum, though. He's almost single-handedly keeping the game going!I know, but I'm bored!We don't have to wait for Friday. vote: No LynchNo lynch is no information though?
Vote Bright with me!!
Players with Flips:
Awaclus discarded Vengeful Townie – Cop of all Trades
jotheonah discarded Mason – Town Day Vig
Glooble discarded Mason Lover – Alpha Werewolf
pingpongsam discarded One-Shot Unlynchable Townie – Town Doctor
sudgy discarded Werewolf – Town Conspiracy Theorist
Archetype discarded Mafia Reflexive Doctor – Town Mason Doctor
faust discarded Werewolf Miller – Alien Sympathizer
MiX discarded Lynchbait - Alien Vanillaiser
E discarded Retired werewolf hunter - Jack of all Trades
What we are Assuming/Been Told to Assume:
Galzria discarded Bodyguard – Investigative Role
Brightgalrs discarded Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie – 1 Shot Vig
DatSwan discarded Nurse – Turned Vanilla Night 1 - I chose 1-Shot Kingmaker. I did not use my shot Night 1.
Skum to Chum Discard List:
SpaceAnemone discarded Innocent Child - So this is skummy. Not saying it isn't. But also, as it is exactly Space, I could see them discarding IC for a good investigative role, or even like Tracker. That seems like a very "Space-y" choice in roles imo.
EFHW discarded Alien One-Shot Unlynchable - This one just sticks out for me. There is a town unlychable role that is potentially present in the game, so if they had to use it, they even would have an out. This is the type of throw away I could see for any sort of other skum role, mainly for the image it would give of throwing away a solid skum role already. I suppose my thought process would be something like "I assume the Mafia faction will have more players than the Alien faction, so I will throw away this Alien role for a Mafia role for a better chance to win". Or whatever, obviously I suppose it could also be just so they could play for Team Town.
shraeye discarded Compulsive Childkiller - I personally think that this role has the potential for a HUGE amount of positive utility. Also, that utility is dependent upon someone NOT throwing away IC (which, while it did happen, could not realistically be expected to happen). Shraeye is smart, so I doubt they did not also consider this same utility. This is a sore thumb for me. I do not know if I could of taken most cop roles over this is given the choice.
pubby discarded Conspiracy Theorist - Pubby is the second time that Conspiracy Theorist popped up (which if I understand correctly, means there can be no more of them?). There is a gap between the previous two players and Pubby for me, based on the same logic that I threw Nurse away (I had no way of knowing if there was going to be a town doc, and even if there were, no idea if I would be alive after they were). It is the same for pubby and Aliens - they had no way of knowing if Aliens would be in the game. Obviously, they could of tossed it for a stronger town PR. That being said I would of totally tossed this role for essentially any sort of skum role as well.
Uncleeurope discarded Mafia Goon - Passing up Mafia just seems not fun to me, which makes me suspicious. Not a lot suspicious, just more than like the VT comparison.
Eevee discarded Vanilla Townie - Could be anything, it's VT.
Raerae discarded Vanilla Townie - Could be anything, it's VT.
Joseph2302 discarded Vanilla Townie - Could be anything, it's VT.
mail-mi discarded Hirsute Townie - VT but worse. Could be anything.
WestCoastDidds discarded Underdog - Kind of nothing worse than being solo survivor role in a game like this.
LaLight discarded Lyncher - I can't imagine anyone taking this role.
I don't think he's scum, though. He's almost single-handedly keeping the game going!I know, but I'm bored!We don't have to wait for Friday. vote: No LynchNo lynch is no information though?
Vote Bright with me!!
Found this; thanks DatSwan. Wanted to repost it to get more eyes on it.
Bright, what are your thoughts on DatSwan's discard vs. pick decision?
And have we given up on wondering why Space discarded IC??
Admittedly it has more to do with my shock about not being voting right now, but I think raerae is coming off townier from their exchange.Did you think you were voting?
Despite my terrible post count, I've been reading along and I'll try to help us get a lynch through. You'd think that tomorrow we'd start to get some conflicting claims flying and lynching scum should get easier for us, so I'm not feeling so terrible about a no lynch though.
I think the game is too big and the factions are too multiple for wagon analysis or really reading of any kind. I'm just trying to not have the players I find towny lynched, and wait for the field clear a bit and the night actions starting to emerge so the picture becomes a little less murky. If we are not endgamed before that.
Admittedly it has more to do with my shock about not being voting right now, but I think raerae is coming off townier from their exchange.Did you think you were voting?
Despite my terrible post count, I've been reading along and I'll try to help us get a lynch through. You'd think that tomorrow we'd start to get some conflicting claims flying and lynching scum should get easier for us, so I'm not feeling so terrible about a no lynch though.
I think the game is too big and the factions are too multiple for wagon analysis or really reading of any kind. I'm just trying to not have the players I find towny lynched, and wait for the field clear a bit and the night actions starting to emerge so the picture becomes a little less murky. If we are not endgamed before that.
I'm not sure what wagon analysis people are hoping for; I tracked some of Glooble's votes (and people voting with him). Pubby looks a little worse there; Also on joth with glooble at VC 1.1, also on sudgy with Glooble up until the end of day. I think it's safe guess that sudgy was the werewolf kill; I vaguely recall people discussing/asking about that but nobody really analyzing deaths all that much.
Want to dive into the death angle anyone?
Found this; thanks DatSwan. Wanted to repost it to get more eyes on it.
Bright, what are your thoughts on DatSwan's discard vs. pick decision?
And have we given up on wondering why Space discarded IC??
No, we didn't. I twice tried to get this wagon started. And I still want to.
vote: Space
Huh, PPE says Uncle is also suspicious of pubby. General reasons, or specific reasons?
Agreed, Vote: SpaceFound this; thanks DatSwan. Wanted to repost it to get more eyes on it.
Bright, what are your thoughts on DatSwan's discard vs. pick decision?
And have we given up on wondering why Space discarded IC??
No, we didn't. I twice tried to get this wagon started. And I still want to.
vote: Space
I could join Space, discarding IC is still pretty suspicious.
Bright said they killed sudgy, if I am not mistaken
Quotesudgy has been killed! He was a Town Conspiracy Theorist!This was me. I'm a One-shot Vigilante. Pls reload.
Found this; thanks DatSwan. Wanted to repost it to get more eyes on it.
Bright, what are your thoughts on DatSwan's discard vs. pick decision?
And have we given up on wondering why Space discarded IC??
No, we didn't. I twice tried to get this wagon started. And I still want to.
vote: Space
I could join Space, discarding IC is still pretty suspicious.
Bright said they killed sudgy, if I am not mistaken
Wait, really??
Okay, yup here it is:Quotesudgy has been killed! He was a Town Conspiracy Theorist!This was me. I'm a One-shot Vigilante. Pls reload.
If that's really true, then why did Bright then not even remember to (or mention that he was going to) constrain the game states he was considering to contain at least on vig? For a strong numbers person, you've got to admit, it's a bit weird that it took me prompting him about the low SK numbers to get him to revise his script.
And then when we were looking at the numbers yesterday, he didn't even say "but if we had an alien, a WW, a mafia and the one-shot vig, then there's no need to account for an SK kill". I feel like that would have been a superbly useful piece of info to have thrown into the discussion at that point! I mean, it's possible there's an SK and no real mafia faction, but that seems incredibly unlikely. Alternatively, if he thought I was remembering about the vig thing, why wasn't he calling me on that yesterday?
Vote Bright with me!!Can I persuade you to rejustify your vote on me? Your previous justification was torpedoed by Kernel themself:
That leads me to believe that the person I picked just might could be your partner and you're trying to clear them so they can claim. I think I'm cool with this.
Vote: Brightglars
These quotes are incompatible with each other.Would the Town Nymphomaniac’s target know they’ve fallen in love?
No
That is not a town trait. What do you make of him coming after both DatSwan and I for the simple fact of being vanilla?It's called asking questions, getting people to clarify suspicious behavior. If you can't bear that then Mafia isn't your game. I assume you mean because you discarded Vanilla Townie. That's a bit reductive., isn't it? You picked Nymphomaniac over Vanilla Townie, suspicious. And then became resistive to the idea of either you telling us who the Lover was, or having the Lover come forward independently, suspicious again.
Bright, what are your thoughts on DatSwan's discard vs. pick decision?It sucks with hindsight, two doctors dying Night 1 would've made Nurse really good.
If that's really true, then why did Bright then not even remember to (or mention that he was going to) constrain the game states he was considering to contain at least on vig?Because what's factual for me isn't factual for you. But yeah, it's bad.
I mean, it's possible there's an SK and no real mafia faction, but that seems incredibly unlikely.Where have you been? I think everyone here has suspected a SK since Night 1.
Alternatively, if he thought I was remembering about the vig thing, why wasn't he calling me on that yesterday?When was this? Are we talking about Day 2 or Nov 25?
I don’t think we should be voting for bright right now. I have reasons to believe that he is town. (I’m not 100% sure, but you know).All of this is an attempt to get mail-mi to claim.
Meanwhile, I’ll join the vote: space wagon right now. Not a final vote but a good place for now.
Nah, mailmi don't need to claimMy point is Space and EFHW's suspicion of me is weird.
Didn't want to bring too much attention to it, but this:I don’t think we should be voting for bright right now. I have reasons to believe that he is town. (I’m not 100% sure, but you know).All of this is an attempt to get mail-mi to claim.
Meanwhile, I’ll join the vote: space wagon right now. Not a final vote but a good place for now.
Vote Bright with me!!Can I persuade you to rejustify your vote on me? Your previous justification was torpedoed by Kernel themself:
That is not a town trait. What do you make of him coming after both DatSwan and I for the simple fact of being vanilla?
It's called asking questions, getting people to clarify suspicious behavior. If you can't bear that then Mafia isn't your game. I assume you mean because you discarded Vanilla Townie. That's a bit reductive., isn't it? You picked Nymphomaniac over Vanilla Townie, suspicious. And then became resistive to the idea of either you telling us who the Lover was, or having the Lover come forward independently, suspicious again.
The acum narrative for Bright is that vig was a fakeclaim, as evidenced by his not including a confirmed vig in his analyses. I'm trusting Space here that he did in fact leave vig out.But I agree with how he did his analysis. Only taking as assumptions the universal/uncontestable knowledge. He should know more himself, but to present us with those numbers assumes that we all believe him.
Don't question how much I enjoy this game or insinuate I should stop playing again.
I said pushing town forward isn't a town trait because I did it as scum in the game that just closed. My entire was point was giving towncred for activity is a mistake.
As shraeye pointed out, you and I picked the same role, we're both ensuring somebody dies based on our own reads. So my pick isn't anymore suspicious than yours.
I never said the person I picked couldn't come forward, if they know who they are then they certainly may if they decide that's right for them. I don't see any reason to tell anybody who I picked because it isn't the right time to share that info and I'm allllllllll sorts of stubborn.
Nah, mailmi don't need to claimMy point is Space and EFHW's suspicion of me is weird.
Don't question how much I enjoy this game or insinuate I should stop playing again.
I said pushing town forward isn't a town trait because I did it as scum in the game that just closed. My entire was point was giving towncred for activity is a mistake.
As shraeye pointed out, you and I picked the same role, we're both ensuring somebody dies based on our own reads. So my pick isn't anymore suspicious than yours.
I never said the person I picked couldn't come forward, if they know who they are then they certainly may if they decide that's right for them. I don't see any reason to tell anybody who I picked because it isn't the right time to share that info and I'm allllllllll sorts of stubborn.
Vig and lover are not the same utility. I dunno which one is "better or worse" but, Vig at least can choose not to shoot. You were literally forced to take a target.
I am fairly certain we MOD confirmed that your target would not of been informed they were turned into a Lover (I could be mistaken on that, running off memory).
WCD - Stayed on Sudgy. Chalk them up to potential Mafia.
So I am gonna be re-reading WCD, Eevee, and EFHW for now.
Smudgy
Smudgy
For some reason I laughed out loud
Well discarding an IC is being seen as scummy. Yes it's a lot of votes based on 1 actions, but that doesn't mean it's wrong
WCD - Stayed on Sudgy. Chalk them up to potential Mafia.
So I am gonna be re-reading WCD, Eevee, and EFHW for now.
I wholly support the rereading if it might break the stall, but I don’t think that the 19 people who were on the two town wagons really creates much room for VCA. I’m not ever gonna vote for Joth unless he is legit being scummy. He wasn’t. Smudgy has been the leading wagon and is utterly unknown to me. So, no reason to move my vote to Joth.
I am intrigued by the space votes. I don’t see them being scummy, but then again they are made of awesome and know how to fly under the radar.
Vote: Pubby
Get on everyone, this wagon train leaves Friday morning.
sudgy was lying, so his wagon is less meaningful and being on his wagon is less scummy than it might be.It means there's probably not another WW on that wagon
If we are going for a shot in the dark, then we should be "policy" lynching pubby for inactivity.I'd request a sub if I ever felt like I couldn't play.
I guess LaLight too for the no lynch comment.
I guess LaLight too for the no lynch comment.
what comment is that?
Vote: Pubby
Get on everyone, this wagon train leaves Friday morning.
would you no lynch over Space?
If that's really true, then why did Bright then not even remember to (or mention that he was going to) constrain the game states he was considering to contain at least on vig?Because what's factual for me isn't factual for you. But yeah, it's bad.
Alternatively, if he thought I was remembering about the vig thing, why wasn't he calling me on that yesterday?When was this? Are we talking about Day 2 or Nov 25?
I mean, it's possible there's an SK and no real mafia faction, but that seems incredibly unlikely.Where have you been? I think everyone here has suspected a SK since Night 1.
Doubt only comes in when you suspect faust was lying about their faction not using their kill on Night 1. I'm inclined to believe that they didn't, seeing as they had(have?) a single kill for the whole game, and multiple players that can ensure it will be used. Plenty of time to figure out who to use it on.
I think Vote: bright is much better, based on Space's posts above
I don't think Space and bright are on the same team. But they could both be non-town
I think Vote: bright is much better, based on Space's posts above
I don't think Space and bright are on the same team. But they could both be non-town
I don’t think we should be voting for bright right now. I have reasons to believe that he is town. (I’m not 100% sure, but you know).
Meanwhile, I’ll join the vote: space wagon right now. Not a final vote but a good place for now.
You are literally claiming to be a vig and yet you've been making up stats about how many of what faction to include without insisting there's a vig there.I'm confused by what you mean. My initial analyses rejected games only based on alignment, and the final output was by alignment. Under that paradigm, the only way the knowledge I'm a vig came into play is when I assumed 3 kills = 3 scum rather than 4 kills = 4 scum. It's obvious why I didn't assume the later.
Prod request: Galzria
Space is making the sense.Lines are certainly being drawn here.
Vote: Bright I can't believe I'm voting for a scumslip!
No extra info. But if one of them is town, I think Space is townierI think Vote: bright is much better, based on Space's posts above
I don't think Space and bright are on the same team. But they could both be non-town
Then why do you vote one and not another? You have some extra info on which teams they are?
My information in no means confirms Bright isn't scum. And I will not be claiming before he gets lynched if that is the case because he still might be scum.Good.
My information in no means confirms Bright isn't scum. And I will not be claiming before he gets lynched if that is the case because he still might be scum. He just has a slightly higher chance of being town.
I agree with Joseph's assessment that bright and space are not on the same team.
From my perspective, the scumslip is more evidence than this though, which is why I'm voting brightMy information in no means confirms Bright isn't scum. And I will not be claiming before he gets lynched if that is the case because he still might be scum. He just has a slightly higher chance of being town.
I agree with Joseph's assessment that bright and space are not on the same team.
^^this is also why I'm voting space instead of bright
Can you explain the "scumslip"? I'm either not getting it or not remembering it.From my perspective, the scumslip is more evidence than this though, which is why I'm voting brightMy information in no means confirms Bright isn't scum. And I will not be claiming before he gets lynched if that is the case because he still might be scum. He just has a slightly higher chance of being town.
I agree with Joseph's assessment that bright and space are not on the same team.
^^this is also why I'm voting space instead of bright
Can you explain the "scumslip"? I'm either not getting it or not remembering it.From my perspective, the scumslip is more evidence than this though, which is why I'm voting brightMy information in no means confirms Bright isn't scum. And I will not be claiming before he gets lynched if that is the case because he still might be scum. He just has a slightly higher chance of being town.
I agree with Joseph's assessment that bright and space are not on the same team.
^^this is also why I'm voting space instead of bright
Can you explain the "scumslip"? I'm either not getting it or not remembering it.From my perspective, the scumslip is more evidence than this though, which is why I'm voting brightMy information in no means confirms Bright isn't scum. And I will not be claiming before he gets lynched if that is the case because he still might be scum. He just has a slightly higher chance of being town.
I agree with Joseph's assessment that bright and space are not on the same team.
^^this is also why I'm voting space instead of bright
The slip, as it’s being suggested, is that Bright ran all their numbers and simulations, discounting certain setups as impossible/unlikely as to narrow the remainder of the possibilities, yet didn’t discount setups that don’t include a Vig.
It’s kind of like the opposite of making a scum to chum list and not including yourself as the chummiest.
Who owned up to a scumslip?Bright owned up to his mistake and wants that to serve as a defense.
Why/when was sudgy lying?
I feel like I'm not in the same page as all those last posts
Okay, folks we have 12 hours
WCD count 3.1
SpaceAnemone (5): DatSwan, LaLight,, shraeye, Uncleurope, pubby
Brightgalrs (6): raerae, EFHW, SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Eevee, WestCoastDidds
EFHW (1): mail-mi,
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
Not Voting (1): Galzria
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day Three begins now and ends at 6:00 UTC 11/29/2019.
Okay, folks we have 12 hours
WCD count 3.1
SpaceAnemone (5): DatSwan, LaLight,, shraeye, Uncleurope, pubby
Brightgalrs (6): raerae, EFHW, SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Eevee, WestCoastDidds
EFHW (1): mail-mi,
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
Not Voting (1): Galzria
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day Three begins now and ends at 6:00 UTC 11/29/2019.
Okay, folks we have 12 hours
WCD count 3.1
SpaceAnemone (5): DatSwan, LaLight,, shraeye, Uncleurope, pubby
Brightgalrs (6): raerae, EFHW, SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Eevee, WestCoastDidds
EFHW (1): mail-mi,
pubby (1): Brightgalrs
Not Voting (1): Galzria
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day Three begins now and ends at 6:00 UTC 11/29/2019.
I think I should be on Space. So vote: space
Or just regular hammerable. Trying to scare people away by using Quickhammer-language isn't necessary.
Anyway, pointing this out because if he votes me I'm QH-able :-(
I don’t believe scum!team Bright opens D2 with the claim he did, in the way he did. He may be SK that’s now biding his time, but if that’s the case I’m not as concerned about lynching him now - we actually need scum to shoot scum at night to help balance and catch us up.What he said.
I’m also not the largest fan of Space’s argument here. I get where they’re coming from, but as nobody but Bright knows Bright’s alignment (supposedly), he would actually be doing the thread a disservice to exclude scenarios where he isn’t what he claims. While he may be able to make the assumption that he’s Town, we cannot - so when presenting numbers to the group at large, it’s as Shraeye said - completely NAI. Has he done it the other way, Space could’ve argued that his numbers weren’t valid to the majority of players because we don’t know his alignment.
That brings me to vote: Space. Not only do I disagree with their argument, I think making it at all is an attempt to try and spin something as scummy that’s just isn’t - and THAT, to me, is scummy.
Screw it, I haven't had a hammer in a while.I wanted a hammer....
Vote: Space
Screw it, I haven't had a hammer in a while.I wanted a hammer....
Vote: Space
Space, are you actually town?
Player | Posts | Tokens |
Brightgalrs | 35 | 3349 |
SpaceAnemone | 19 | 3014 |
DatSwan | 20 | 2750 |
raerae | 31 | 992 |
WestCoastDidds | 22 | 971 |
shraeye | 21 | 720 |
Joseph2302 | 35 | 596 |
Uncleeurope | 16 | 555 |
Galzria | 5 | 470 |
LaLight | 25 | 462 |
EFHW | 19 | 346 |
mail-mi | 13 | 334 |
Eevee | 6 | 269 |
pubby | 5 | 216 |
Bright = SK
Eevee/Raerae = Maf
LaLight = Alien
Shraeye = WW
Solved it.
I dunno, man, don’t make me do all the work.
I really don't think LaLight can be Mafia because of that post, WW and SK, and now Alien, are all still on the table still. Space had their head down at that point, why would LaLight bring him back to the spotlight at that point (we're assuming LaLight would be busing him).Found this; thanks DatSwan. Wanted to repost it to get more eyes on it.
Bright, what are your thoughts on DatSwan's discard vs. pick decision?
And have we given up on wondering why Space discarded IC??
No, we didn't. I twice tried to get this wagon started. And I still want to.
vote: Space
I don’t believe scum!team Bright opens D2 with the claim he did, in the way he did. He may be SK that’s now biding his time, but if that’s the case I’m not as concerned about lynching him now - we actually need scum to shoot scum at night to help balance and catch us up.I'm picking on Galz here, but their reasoning is the entire reason scum (the SK, WW(s), and last Alien) voted to lynch Space yesterday over me. They think I'm a SK and will be picking off the town to help them win. Again, Space was persuasive, even I thought he had enough to work with to lynch me, while Space theirself really wasn't that suspicious. Even I would've lynched me.
Is the existence of an Alien the only way we could have 4 kills last night? Mafia, WW, Alien, SK?Yes, Werewolf One-shot PGO is possible, maybe it's best not to jump to conclusions.
0-1 WerewolvesActually I'm inclined to believe pubby was definitely not the last WW. As I said way way back, if he controls a kill, he'll kill me. So the only explanation is he wasn't alone. I think that logic overrides the above logic about my SK suspicion preventing him from killing me. It sorta supports the WW PGO theory too.
On Space's lynching:
Space prematurely hammered faust on Day 2, so there was some suspicion early on in the day, but it faded away. I thought (and still think) he probably did mistakenly hammer, to give him some credit.
The real lynch train started here:I really don't think LaLight can be Mafia because of that post, WW and SK, and now Alien, are all still on the table still. Space had their head down at that point, why would LaLight bring him back to the spotlight at that point (we're assuming LaLight would be busing him).Found this; thanks DatSwan. Wanted to repost it to get more eyes on it.
Bright, what are your thoughts on DatSwan's discard vs. pick decision?
And have we given up on wondering why Space discarded IC??
No, we didn't. I twice tried to get this wagon started. And I still want to.
vote: Space
As for the only concrete suspicion, yeah it's suspicious, but there's an easy explanation if he's chose one of the investigative roles or something.
Uh but really Space's suspicion was spot on. Their suspicion stemmed from my incompetence, really. And arguing against that was pretty stressful, let's just say I rage quit yesterday. (Also the stuff about wanting to get mail-mi to claim was just me grasping at straws, pay no attention, might've been true, but in retrospect, no). Now of course I see he wanted to lynch anyone but himself, but at the time it definitely felt like it was genuine. And that's supported by EFHW, Joseph2302, and WestCoastDidds being swayed to vote for me.
Now to address why people voted the way they voted yesterday.I don’t believe scum!team Bright opens D2 with the claim he did, in the way he did. He may be SK that’s now biding his time, but if that’s the case I’m not as concerned about lynching him now - we actually need scum to shoot scum at night to help balance and catch us up.I'm picking on Galz here, but their reasoning is the entire reason scum (the SK, WW(s), and last Alien) voted to lynch Space yesterday over me. They think I'm a SK and will be picking off the town to help them win. Again, Space was persuasive, even I thought he had enough to work with to lynch me, while Space theirself really wasn't that suspicious. Even I would've lynched me.
So basically I'm saying either Eevee is well meaning Town, or is Mafia who didn't want to lynch their own. Same goes for raerae to an extent, jumping the wagon at the last moment doesn't mean anything to me.Is the existence of an Alien the only way we could have 4 kills last night? Mafia, WW, Alien, SK?Yes, Werewolf One-shot PGO is possible, maybe it's best not to jump to conclusions.
The WW/Town Parrot could've targeted pubby, killing him.
The regular Town Vigilante is possible, but probably not.
The Mafia could also have a Cupid, but that seems a bit contrived, maybe we should check how dead Lover-ized people would show up.
Mod question: How do Lover-ized players show up when they die? Do we only see their original role?
I've been dancing around the issue, but it could've been a second Serial Killer who killed Night 1, held their kill on Night 2, and then killed last night. Basically what everyone suspects me of. Hopefully whatever mail-mi has on me can satisfy this suspicion.0-1 WerewolvesActually I'm inclined to believe pubby was definitely not the last WW. As I said way way back, if he controls a kill, he'll kill me. So the only explanation is he wasn't alone. I think that logic overrides the above logic about my SK suspicion preventing him from killing me. It sorta supports the WW PGO theory too.
Space is still "they" or "she".Yep, missed a few while editing.
while Space theirself really wasn't that suspicious.Check that shit out though. Feels good.
also why would Wereparrot target pubbyRight, so just the Town Parrot then.
ReloaderLemme shoot that down, no I wasn't Reloaded Night 2 or last night.
also why would Wereparrot target pubbyRight, so just the Town Parrot then.
Is this all your getting out of my post?
ReloaderLemme shoot that down, no I wasn't Reloaded Night 2 or last night.
Also I don't agree with the statement that pubby is not the last werewolf because he would've killed you if that was the case. Why? There can be a lot of reasons to kill people and reads are only one of those reasons. And you weren't exactly persuasive and dangerous for pubby, I think.You must've missed my explanation on Day 2:
I suspect pubby isn't lone-wolf scum like a serial killer or a lone mafia/werewolf/alien. My reasoning is a meta-gamey one: it's entirely in his character to target (to kill) me as soon as possible. He could be talked out of it, so it's still possible he's scum, but he'd have to have another player in his faction.pubby's my BFF btw.
And actually it's likely that if pubby has any ability at all he targeted my last night with it.
Oh actually if we assume pubby was the last WW, he would've directed two kills. Glooble died Night 1, so pubby would've done both Night 3's and Night 2's kill alone. Absolutely one of those would've found its way to me.
well, you know best of course. But I remain unconvinced.Remember when Archetype (Mason Doctor) was killed on Night 1? It's likely that was the work of the Mason Werewolf. Then we expect between 2 and 3 Werewolfs... It's all pretty convincing.
So should we mass claim or wait?We should wait for everyone to post once, at least.
I don’t know if there are any mafia roles that could fake my results, but that’s what I have. I contemplated claiming yesterday, both before and after Galzria claimed his no result, but decided against it having no actionable information and because I’m generally not a popular night kill, especially not after being this lurky.
I appreciate Bright helping me not get quicklynched. Both targets until Galzria we’re pretty much random
among people I figured less likely to get killed (didn’t work with PPS).
I don’t know if there are any mafia roles that could fake my results, but that’s what I have. I contemplated claiming yesterday, both before and after Galzria claimed his no result, but decided against it having no actionable information and because I’m generally not a popular night kill, especially not after being this lurky.
I appreciate Bright helping me not get quicklynched. Both targets until Galzria we’re pretty much random
among people I figured less likely to get killed (didn’t work with PPS).
A) There’s Mafia tracker
B) Your result on me and on Space are completely null & anybody could make them up. I was Roleblocked, already claimed, and thus would return as targeting nobody. Space is a flipped compulsive hider - therefore anybody targeting Space for any informational reason would’ve come back with “no result”.
Right. Can’t help that.
Would I fake claim like this?
I mean, whatever. I know it looks bad, the truth is inconvenient like that.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
N2 tracked Space, got no result
SpaceAnemone has been lynched! They were a Mafia Compulsive Hider!
CompulsiveCorrect me if I'm wrong, but compulsive means he has no choice, he had to hide behind someone every night.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but compulsive means he has no choice, he had to hide behind someone every night.Correct me if I'm wrong, but compulsive means they had no choice, they had to hide behind someone every night.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no oneN2 tracked Space, got no resultSpaceAnemone has been lynched! They were a Mafia Compulsive Hider!CompulsiveCorrect me if I'm wrong, but compulsive means he has no choice, he had to hide behind someone every night.
I still think we keep going with the claims, but that's undefendable.
Correct, but as Eevee would be Targeting a Hider, his action would fail, thus producing No Result. Eevee has the resolution of that correct.Woops.
Each night, you may target another player. If you do, you will be immune to all actions targeting you, but if your target dies, you will also die.
Each night, you may target another player. You will who, if anyone, that player targeted.I guess the hiding ability takes priority over tracker.
I'm going to ask, because there's something with roleblockers and hiders that creates a paradox that needs to be resolved by some order of operations, so maybe it that carries over to this type of thing. Also intuitively, if we imagine all of this happening IRL, trackers and watchers would be the first to their posts.
Mod question: Would a Tracker who uses their ability on a Hider see who the Hider's target was?
I'm going to ask, because there's something with roleblockers and hiders that creates a paradox that needs to be resolved by some order of operations, so maybe it that carries over to this type of thing. Also intuitively, if we imagine all of this happening IRL, trackers and watchers would be the first to their posts.
Mod question: Would a Tracker who uses their ability on a Hider see who the Hider's target was?
Natural order of resolution, Hider comes before everything:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHWRandom target, plausible.
N2 tracked Space, got no result
I don’t know if there are any mafia roles that could fake my results, but that’s what I have. I contemplated claiming yesterday, both before and after Galzria claimed his no result, but decided against it having no actionable information and because I’m generally not a popular night kill, especially not after being this lurky.You must've thought you were roleblocked on Night 2, right? And then you must've seen it as pretty weird that Galzria was roleblocked on Night 2 as well. Why wouldn't you say anything? The conclusion would've been that one of you if lying (with Galzria coming off worse) or there are two roleblockers in the game, both are pretty good things to know.
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no oneWhy? Yesterday they said they were being roleblocked, why would you pick them as a target when there was a 99% chance of them being roleblocked again?
Natural order of resolution, Hider comes before everything:That's a neat article, thank you. Investigative roles really get shafted, don't they?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution
I'm going to ask, because there's something with roleblockers and hiders that creates a paradox that needs to be resolved by some order of operations, so maybe it that carries over to this type of thing. Also intuitively, if we imagine all of this happening IRL, trackers and watchers would be the first to their posts.
Mod question: Would a Tracker who uses their ability on a Hider see who the Hider's target was?
But if we (or rather, you who are left) mass claim here's my proposed order:It's based off who I find the scummiest, with a bias towards Mafia.
- Eevee
- LaLight
- Uncleeurope
- shraeye
- mail-mi
- Galzria
Alright, well Eevee is still tempting lynching material, but let's shelve that for right now.
LaLight is next on my list, which I'd like Galz to comment on.But if we (or rather, you who are left) mass claim here's my proposed order:It's based off who I find the scummiest, with a bias towards Mafia.
- Eevee
- LaLight
- Uncleeurope
- shraeye
- mail-mi
- Galzria
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
vote: EeveeI agree with Galz's initial assessment that Eevee looks like a good bet for Space's partner. It seems that a lot of shots went out last night looking for her partner; a bit weird because going back to 4 kills kinda suggests there is a mafia shot as well. Or, mafia bussed, and Eevee ain't her partner. ORR, Eevee thought with 2 kills on N2, that Alien plus Bright kill happened night 1 and it wouldn't be too dangerous to shoot on-wagon.
Space is "they". I'll pull more text from this individually, I feel like I have a lot to unpack from this post.
Uh but really Space's suspicion was spot on. Their suspicion stemmed from my incompetence, really. And arguing against that was pretty stressful, let's just say I rage quit yesterday. (Also the stuff about wanting to get mail-mi to claim was just me grasping at straws, pay no attention, might've been true, but in retrospect, no).I don't get it. You're saying Space being suspicious of you was 100% spot-on? SHOULD we be suspicious of you? Well, should we??
Yes, Werewolf One-shot PGO is possible, maybe it's best not to jump to conclusions.Why is the Werewolf PGO too much of a conclusion to jump to? Would a Parrot really kill a vanilla scum if they targeted them? Why is Town Vig not probable?
The WW/Town Parrot could've targeted pubby, killing him.
The regular Town Vigilante is possible, but probably not.
I feel like you're basically telling us you are a serial Killer. Why are you so sure there is a Serial Killer that you are now talking about there being a second one? Also, what makes you think pubby didn't try to kill you? If you are SK, there is a high likelihood you are either WW-immune or 2-shot bulletproof. That would really really help account for a missing kill night 2.
I've been dancing around the issue, but it could've been a second Serial Killer who killed Night 1, held their kill on Night 2, and then killed last night. Basically what everyone suspects me of. Hopefully whatever mail-mi has on me can satisfy this suspicion.0-1 WerewolvesActually I'm inclined to believe pubby was definitely not the last WW. As I said way way back, if he controls a kill, he'll kill me. So the only explanation is he wasn't alone. I think that logic overrides the above logic about my SK suspicion preventing him from killing me. It sorta supports the WW PGO theory too.
It's not claim time this IRL day yet. And that's not the order we're using. And Bright isn't setting it.
Deadline is in 6 IRL days; let's put the claims aside for a bit and chat. Get a Sunday for people to catch up, a Monday for LaLight and other weekend VLA-ers to catch up and then see where we're at.It's not claim time this IRL day yet. And that's not the order we're using. And Bright isn't setting it.
So you want to push to deadline? That's always super successful for town.
Deadline is in 6 IRL days; let's put the claims aside for a bit and chat. Get a Sunday for people to catch up, a Monday for LaLight and other weekend VLA-ers to catch up and then see where we're at.It's not claim time this IRL day yet. And that's not the order we're using. And Bright isn't setting it.
So you want to push to deadline? That's always super successful for town.
ok, give us 1 to 2 pages of accusations then.
layers. onions.ok, give us 1 to 2 pages of accusations then.
To what end? How is that more helpful than claims and THEN accusations?
Eevee, why track Galz, a claimed investigative/targetting role? He was roleblocked N2, and likely to be roleblocked N3.That would have been a better choice. I didn’t think Galzria’s no result was due to him being blocked, but due to him targeting Space like myself. I was hoping Galzria’s target would turn up dead, and he’d claimed to have targeted someone else so I could catch him in a lie. Basically I thought Galzria claiming to and likely having a targeting role would make him an attractive target, since at least he’d be targeting someone.
Even if you see something, this is only good for catching Galz IF he's lying AND picks a lie that doesn't involve his actual target.
Why not target someone like Bright, who claims to not have the ability to target anyone anymore? That would be some very interesting information to have, because if he targets anyone at all, that catches him in a lie.
onions make you cry.You think we'd lynch Eevee because of the answers if we shut down the claim train now?
If we don't go with the claim all that happened is we forced eevee to claim. they gave answers that could be true, and then will most likely be lynched for those answers. when that happens we go to night and there are deaths. That means info that is not given. That helps skum A LOT at this point.
I think we need to finish the claim out.
Shraeye - So do you think there is a BP SK or do you think there were multiple similar targets night 2? Or both?At least one of those, or something equivalent. Something screwy has been happening with the kills, I don't have the full answer, but we definitely haven't explored it enough either, the current theories are all lacking. It feels to me like the prevailing theory is that bright shot night 1, and that aliens shot night 3. But A) that only accounts for one missing kill night 2, and B) both of those are really terrible decisions the more I think about it.
I don't get it. You're saying Space being suspicious of you was 100% spot-on? SHOULD we be suspicious of you? Well, should we??This is the main thrust of that post, so yes, you should be! With Space's somewhat reasonable arguments, you absolutely should have considered lynching me! Space was lynched because they discarded IC, and then...well they never actually claimed (I'm sure this was intentional, with hindsight) so that's basically the only reason.
Also, bold move, admitting to drumming up stuff on mail-mi being just a desperate ploy.You have it the wrong way around, it'd be" drumming up stuff on Space". As for me, I'll say that it's difficult to argue against your own incompetence.
Why is the Werewolf PGO too much of a conclusion to jump to? Would a Parrot really kill a vanilla scum if they targeted them? Why is Town Vig not probable?I jumped to conclusions by saying it must be an Alien, it was in the first post of the day. I don't know how faction kills work with parrot's abilities. Yes, a Town Vigilante is possible, but, what, they decided to blind fire into ~4 people that voted for me yesterday?
This is super super confusing to me. Why caution about jumping to conclusions while immediately making another niche conclusion, followed by throwing out another one with no explanation?
Why are you so sure there is a Serial Killer that you are now talking about there being a second one?Stop it. This is the third time this line of thought has been brought up. Everyone in this thread suspects there is at least one Serial Killer.
Also, what makes you think pubby didn't try to kill you? If you are SK, there is a high likelihood you are either WW-immune or 2-shot bulletproof. That would really really help account for a missing kill night 2.Yeah that does fit the narrative pretty well. But you asking me why I don't think pubby tried to kill me is a bit unproductive.
It's not claim time this IRL day yet. And that's not the order we're using. And Bright isn't setting it.
Somehow I missed this when it was first posted and I'm not cool with either of you running this show."my proposed order", "who I find the scummiest", it's an invitation to create your own order. Are you that unwilling to commit yourself? Also it's laughable that raerae doesn't trust Galz.
Hypothetical: you're a 1 shot vig, only one possible action you can take to help town. When to use it? On who? I know people who might just shoot night 1 and hope, but have you been reading Bright?? He is DEFINITELY a super analytical player, seeking to maximize each everything. Night 1 shots are not gonna work out in the long run.Just a reminder that we had a Day 1 before Night 1. sudgy was a decent target.
I have a different theory, it's cleaner, you'll hear it when you hear it, it's tied to my claim, which will probably happen this game-dayThis is as good as a roleclaim for me, someone paying attention. I'll say that I absolutely don't believe it.
Thanks raerae that's really helpful.
You probably should have noted that DatSwan was Vanilla'd on Night 1, seeing as you marked yourself for Night 2.
And Galz should be in the unclaimed list. We have comparable "clues" as to what mail-mi and shraeye's roles are, yet we'd still say they were unclaimed.
Galz has claimed an investigative result which is close enough to an investigative role for me. You may have suspicions for what mail-mi and shraeye are but I sure don't and they haven't claimed so that lands them pretty solidly into the Unclaimed category.Can I have your definition of what is considered a roleclaim? For instance, imagine everyone (mail-mi, Uncleeurope, shraeye, LaLight) came forward with only their role class ("investigative", "protective", etc.) would that satisfy you? That appears to be what your doing with Galz.
Which you followed by:LaLight is next on my list, which I'd like Galz to comment on.Somehow I missed this when it was first posted and I'm not cool with either of you running this show.But if we (or rather, you who are left) mass claim here's my proposed order:It's based off who I find the scummiest, with a bias towards Mafia.
- Eevee
- LaLight
- Uncleeurope
- shraeye
- mail-mi
- Galzria
@bright, Don't confuse my mistrust of you as a mistrust of a Galz. So far as I can remember I haven't given a read on him."either of you" would refer to me and Galz. It seems you have a healthy mistrust of Galz, but trust him enough to give him a pass on roleclaiming. I'd just like some clarification on your thought process here, please and thank you.
The stuff re: DatSwan is just nitpicky and changes nothingAre we trying to put together a good summary of roles and claims or not? You're coming off a little hostile here.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
There's a lot to pick at here.N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHWRandom target, plausible.N2 tracked Space, got no resultI don’t know if there are any mafia roles that could fake my results, but that’s what I have. I contemplated claiming yesterday, both before and after Galzria claimed his no result, but decided against it having no actionable information and because I’m generally not a popular night kill, especially not after being this lurky.You must've thought you were roleblocked on Night 2, right? And then you must've seen it as pretty weird that Galzria was roleblocked on Night 2 as well. Why wouldn't you say anything? The conclusion would've been that one of you if lying (with Galzria coming off worse) or there are two roleblockers in the game, both are pretty good things to know.N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no oneWhy? Yesterday they said they were being roleblocked, why would you pick them as a target when there was a 99% chance of them being roleblocked again?
And if you thought they were lying about being roleblocked, and that's why you targeted them, then why didn't you bring it up during the day?
Basically, either you believed them, and tracking them doesn't make sense. Or you thought they were lying, and yet you did not bring it up in the Day, which also doesn't make sense.Natural order of resolution, Hider comes before everything:That's a neat article, thank you. Investigative roles really get shafted, don't they?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution
That’s very helpful, thanks.
I’m in favor of everyone claiming. I think generally the townier (seeming) players have already claimed.
Before as in earlier today? Raerae’s summary made me realize how far along we are with the claimThat’s very helpful, thanks.
I’m in favor of everyone claiming. I think generally the townier (seeming) players have already claimed.
Why weren't you before?
I’m not completely impossible to lynch. I was just mislynched for a town loss in my previous game, and this seems to be heading to the same direction.
Bit of a suspicious claim, it’s hard to believe you’d take VT over even a weak role. At least lyncher is weird an unique.
Bright being the SK is something I could get behind.
Alrighty
The problem is that I am a vt
Should've taken lyncher, yeah. But I was thinking lynching Eevee is completely impossible, so I went with a boring one with more chances to win.
I am thinking that Eevee is scum and bright is SK. Also one of shraeye/raerae got to be scum
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
Dang! That's interesting!Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
This is straight nonsense.I have a different theory, it's cleaner, you'll hear it when you hear it, it's tied to my claim, which will probably happen this game-dayThis is as good as a roleclaim for me, someone paying attention. I'll say that I absolutely don't believe it.
Dang! That's interesting!Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
Why did you target those people?
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
Why did you target those people?
Specifically me. You thought there was a Nymphomaniac Serial Killer on the loose?
The problem is that I am a vtAlright that's somewhat believable, there are 9 remaining VT roles in this game, and it's far less suspicious than Eevee's claim, so you have that going for you.
Should've taken lyncher, yeah. But I was thinking lynching Eevee is completely impossible, so I went with a boring one with more chances to win.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.Oh wow I had you down as either a Tracker or FBI Agent, both having scum counterparts. Anyway, this is pretty great news, your claim is extremely believable (to me, I'm pleasantly suprised) and I'm somewhat confirmed not to be a SK. Hurray!
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
C'mon, you have exactly two choices that relate to night kills and are Town, but the thing is that both are pretty damning. :PThis is straight nonsense.I have a different theory, it's cleaner, you'll hear it when you hear it, it's tied to my claim, which will probably happen this game-dayThis is as good as a roleclaim for me, someone paying attention. I'll say that I absolutely don't believe it.
shraeye: I have a night kill theory, I'll spill it when I claim
bright: that's already a roleclaim, and whatever it is you're going to say, I already don't believe it.
Shraeye:.........?
Bright, what is shraeye?And why don't you believe me?
Bright, what is shraeye?Well I'm putting myself out there by doing this, but:
Why does Uncle get off easy because of Eevees claim?Eevee is more likely to be scum, really. And I suspect Uncle is the Alien, who might or might not have already used their kill, less worrisome. All depends on how shraeye plays out I guess.
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
Why did you target those people?
Specifically me. You thought there was a Nymphomaniac Serial Killer on the loose?
More specifically, why not target EFHW?
So, you think it's A or B, but are leaning A. Even though it's a worse role choice (in your opinion) and I played A wrong (in your opinion).It's called being pleasantly surprised, the best type.
To top it all off, you're prepared to be surprised, but still are ready to disbelieve whatever it is I say.
Last night I picked someone at random cause I was out of ideas for who the sk could be. I had also forgotten you had claimed nymphomaniac.Wait, yeah, she was definitely Vanilla-ized, no one else claimed to be, at least. You basically tried to Vanilla-ize her again?
I don’t think we should be voting for bright right now. I have reasons to believe that he is town. (I’m not 100% sure, but you know).
Meanwhile, I’ll join the vote: space wagon right now. Not a final vote but a good place for now.
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
Why did you target those people?
Specifically me. You thought there was a Nymphomaniac Serial Killer on the loose?
More specifically, why not target EFHW?
Last night I picked someone at random cause I was out of ideas for who the sk could be. I had also forgotten you had claimed nymphomaniac.
Galz, can you clarify your exact role?
shraeye/mail-mi, you can leg wrestle for who goes next.
No
And Mail-Mi should go next, not Shraeye.
I can go next.
I am the psychiatrist (can turn SKs into VTs). I targeted Joseph N1, bright N2, and raerae N3. This is why I have a slight town read on bright and why I chose not to lynch him yesterday because he shouldn't be SK anymore if he was SK. However I also feel like if he was SK he would have claimed to be vanillized yesterday so I'm not very sure.
Also I don't know if my action works, but my target will know if they become VT.
Why did you target those people?
Specifically me. You thought there was a Nymphomaniac Serial Killer on the loose?
More specifically, why not target EFHW?
Last night I picked someone at random cause I was out of ideas for who the sk could be. I had also forgotten you had claimed nymphomaniac.
But you voted for EFHW almost all day, didn't you?
I am the Town Vig. Shooty shooty bang bang. Of course I pick that role given the option, 100% confidence shraeye will always pick the gun. And always* shoots. Even night 1.Yeah, so you would've stood a better chance if you claimed the PGO. "You've activated my trap card.", etc. etc.
We'll see though, gotta go through all your posts now. Great.
Galz, your turn.
Galz, your turn.
I don’t think I really need to, as most people know already, but I’m the Bloodhound. Not only do I despise Bodyguard, Bloodhound is simply the best investigative role in this setup.
You want to tell us what exactly about his claim isn't believable? Other than you never would have done anything he did?No, it's just because it's like the default Serial Killer claim.
Not sure what that says, if anything.QuoteGoing to invoke WIFOM on this one. But the thing is she picked one of the pretty terrible roles.It isn't terrible. In fact, it can act somewhat as a 1-shot vig...which is the role you thought was ok enough to pick. So, why is 1-shot vig worth picking while nymphomaniac isn't? ?? ?
I shot PPS night 1; he was the result of my random lynch generating machine (minus people who discarded scum roles)But why shoot randomly? It's not like it was a Night start, there was a Day to go on. I picked sudgy because of his bad Miller claim, for instance.
I was going to shoot for Glooble's potential partners on night 2, but also wanted to shoot at MiX and Space. Wanted to reread to see which of those two was more likely Glooble-partner, and forgot to shoot in time.But why these two? This seems like you are trying to pander to us. Remember, all you would've had to go on was Day 1, there was no faust reveal, and Space didn't even talk that much.
My NK theory was: there have only ever been me, Werewolf, Mafia, Bright (SK) shooting. All 4 night 1, missing 2 night 2 (I forgot and somebody shot SK-Bright, all 4 night 3.But shouldn't you?
But I haven't gone back to my drawing board after mail-mi's claim.
Also why did you never shoot me?Huh, all I actually had to do was post was this question.
Mod Question: If a Serial Killer is killed on the same night on which they are healed by a Psychiatrist, do they become Town before dying, or do they die as a Serial Killer and lose the game?
Anybody else have questions or want to comment? I'm ready to vote.I'd still like to wait for Kernel to answer my question about SKs and Psychiatrists.
Based on my understanding of how actions are resolved, they would die as town. The order of operations only applies if actions conflict with or modify each other, which I do not think recruiting and killing do.Okay, that makes sense. How about it shraeye, come clean?
So shraeye's a serial killer? That doesn't fit with your previous suspicions.Er, what? Gimme some quotes here.
Bright, what is shraeye?Well I'm putting myself out there by doing this, but:
They'll either claim to be the Town One-Shot PGO or the Town Vigilante. But I'm leaning PGO because it would paint less of a target on their back. Their clean explanation of the extra kill last night is one of the cops tried to investigate them, and were killed in the process.
Picking PGO over Compulsive Childkiller is an extremely dubious decision. And then to top it off, they didn't tell us about it. And to top it off even more, there is a Werewolf version of the role.
I'm prepared to be surprised though.Why does Uncle get off easy because of Eevees claim?Eevee is more likely to be scum, really. And I suspect Uncle is the Alien, who might or might not have already used their kill, less worrisome. All depends on how shraeye plays out I guess.
Oh, I see how you could think that.Bright, what is shraeye?Well I'm putting myself out there by doing this, but:
They'll either claim to be the Town One-Shot PGO or the Town Vigilante. But I'm leaning PGO because it would paint less of a target on their back. Their clean explanation of the extra kill last night is one of the cops tried to investigate them, and were killed in the process.
Picking PGO over Compulsive Childkiller is an extremely dubious decision. And then to top it off, they didn't tell us about it. And to top it off even more, there is a Werewolf version of the role.
I'm prepared to be surprised though.Why does Uncle get off easy because of Eevees claim?Eevee is more likely to be scum, really. And I suspect Uncle is the Alien, who might or might not have already used their kill, less worrisome. All depends on how shraeye plays out I guess.
I have a different theory, it's cleaner, you'll hear it when you hear it, it's tied to my claim, which will probably happen this game-day
How about it shraeye, come clean?shraeye, you actually don't need to come clean at all, it'd be nice, but your likely to be cured no matter what is said or what happens. Just don't do anything too un-Town-y tonight and it'll be fine.
I am the Town Vig. Shooty shooty bang bang. Of course I pick that role given the option, 100% confidence shraeye will always pick the gun. And always* shoots. Even night 1.Yeah, so you would've stood a better chance if you claimed the PGO. "You've activated my trap card.", etc. etc.
So why didn't they go with that?Maybe they took the (seemingly) path of least resistance, I did head off the Town One-Shot PGO path. Who knows.
Based on my understanding of how actions are resolved, they would die as town. The order of operations only applies if actions conflict with or modify each other, which I do not think recruiting and killing do.If they're a Vigilante, great. If they're a SK, let's hope we lynch the Roleblocker today, and at that point, it's also great.
It all works out in the endAnd to be clear, we're in the best possible world. If they did actually go the PGO path, then the WW PGO role might have been a consideration, making things a little less "sure".
It all works out in the endAnd to be clear, we're in the best possible world. If they did actually go the PGO path, then the WW PGO role might have been a consideration, making things a little less "sure".
I actually think this makes sense? I am trying to connect all the dots but this seems to be sound logic.Sleep on it, everyone should read the last few pages and sleep on it. mail-mi, shraeye, you beautiful bastards. I kiss you.
Oh, I see how you could think that.Bright, what is shraeye?Well I'm putting myself out there by doing this, but:
They'll either claim to be the Town One-Shot PGO or the Town Vigilante. But I'm leaning PGO because it would paint less of a target on their back. Their clean explanation of the extra kill last night is one of the cops tried to investigate them, and were killed in the process.
Picking PGO over Compulsive Childkiller is an extremely dubious decision. And then to top it off, they didn't tell us about it. And to top it off even more, there is a Werewolf version of the role.
I'm prepared to be surprised though.Why does Uncle get off easy because of Eevees claim?Eevee is more likely to be scum, really. And I suspect Uncle is the Alien, who might or might not have already used their kill, less worrisome. All depends on how shraeye plays out I guess.
That was me predicting their claim, not their actual role.
I suspected they were a SK the moment they posted this:I have a different theory, it's cleaner, you'll hear it when you hear it, it's tied to my claim, which will probably happen this game-day
Sleep on it we should.
Everyone should read Rae and Eddie IMO.
Son, this doesn't make any effing sense. There are so many wrong statements/assumptions/interpretations you just made I literally can't handle it right now.You want to tell us what exactly about his claim isn't believable? Other than you never would have done anything he did?No, it's just because it's like the default Serial Killer claim.
But maybe yeah, even if I was a full Vigilante, I'd claim the moment I shot someone, just like I did in this game. Also I did do something different than them, I shot sudgy on Night 1 while they simply blind-fired. In fact the exact reason I did use my kill was because it wasn't a blind-fire!
@shraeye
Well first, picking Vigilante over Compulsive Child Killer is good. But so is picking a certain scum role over it too.
Here's the only time you commented on my role:Not sure what that says, if anything.QuoteGoing to invoke WIFOM on this one. But the thing is she picked one of the pretty terrible roles.It isn't terrible. In fact, it can act somewhat as a 1-shot vig...which is the role you thought was ok enough to pick. So, why is 1-shot vig worth picking while nymphomaniac isn't? ?? ?
And... there is actually surprisingly little to go on.
As for your claim:I shot PPS night 1; he was the result of my random lynch generating machine (minus people who discarded scum roles)But why shoot randomly? It's not like it was a Night start, there was a Day to go on. I picked sudgy because of his bad Miller claim, for instance.I was going to shoot for Glooble's potential partners on night 2, but also wanted to shoot at MiX and Space. Wanted to reread to see which of those two was more likely Glooble-partner, and forgot to shoot in time.But why these two? This seems like you are trying to pander to us. Remember, all you would've had to go on was Day 1, there was no faust reveal, and Space didn't even talk that much.My NK theory was: there have only ever been me, Werewolf, Mafia, Bright (SK) shooting. All 4 night 1, missing 2 night 2 (I forgot and somebody shot SK-Bright, all 4 night 3.But shouldn't you?
But I haven't gone back to my drawing board after mail-mi's claim.
If I was Vanillaized on Night 2 by mail-mi, then there's no way I could've killed anyone on last night.
And if you think mail-mi is lying, then surely I'm not a Serial Killer at all, I'd be a WW or Mafia and in his faction. But then you can't point to me to explain last night 4th kill. So it'd be Alien's kill, Werewolf PGO, Parrot, etc.
Also why did you never shoot me?
Regarding me picking Survivor over Mafia, I didn’t want to play this game at all, I got pulled in against my will with the hope that I would be able to play town and just not give a crap about the outcome.
I didn’t have that luxury, but at least this way I don’t disappoint anyone and I am under zero pressure.
I would never choose an evil role over a non-evil role at the place I’m in right now. And I at least got to feel like a spectator who could type.
This way I can win with everyone, which makes me the most social role of all!
First night I targeted Space but the kill didn't go off of course.
Second night e, third night Joseph.
First night I targeted Space but the kill didn't go off of course.
Second night e, third night Joseph.
Why them?
If mm gets rbed, that means shraeye and/or Galz will not be.Why do you think I'm a roleblocker?
I also hope Eevee is just an rb and I can join your forces.
If mm gets rbed, that means shraeye and/or Galz will not be.Why do you think I'm a roleblocker?
I also hope Eevee is just an rb and I can join your forces.
So Eddie probably is what they say they are. Please help town!
Is there any mafia vig role that would fit Bright? If not, also seems they are what they claim, as the killclaim earlier seems probably true.
I think any LL+mail-mi mafia theories are too far-fetched, as the real SK dying would expose them immediately. Leaning on believing mail-mi also.
And if mail-mi is to be believed, there is no point in lynching LL? So, for me, that leaves a lynch pool of shraeye, Galzria, raerae and Swan. Why do we think Swan is town again?
I am the SK.
Mail-mi, welcome. I hope you are what you say you are
Day One Claims/Deaths:Added the rest of the claims.
sudgy - Miller (fake)
joth (lynch) - Town DayVig
Awaclus (vig death) - Town Cop-of-All-Trades
Night One Deaths:
Glooble - Alpha Werewolf
pingpongsam - Town Doctor
sudgy - Town Conspiracy Theorist
Archetype - Town Mason Doctor
Day Two Claims/Deaths:
Bright - 1-Shot Vig (did not claim alignment, claimed sudgy kill)
faust (lynch) - Alien Sympathizer
DatSwan - Vanilla'd 1-Shot Kingmaker (claimed to not use shot N1)
Galz - Investigative (did not claim specific role or alignment)
Night Two Deaths:
e - Town Jack-of-All-Trades
MiX - Alien Vanillaiser
Day Three Claims/Deaths:
raerae - Town Nymphomaniac, Vanilla'd N2
SpaceAnemone (lynch) - Mafia Compulsive Hider
Night Three Deaths:
pubby - Werewolf
Joseph2302 - Town One-Shot Governor
WestCoastDidds - Town Private Investigator
EFHW - Town Vanilla Cop
Day Four Claims/Deaths:
Eevee - Town Tracker
mail-mi - Psychiatrist
Uncleeurope - Survivor
shraeye - Town Vig
Galzria - Bloodhound
LaLight - SK
@Mod If A SK is cured, will their kill go through that night?
We kind of have two lynches here if LL would agree to use his shot for good or not shoot at all if we decide that's best. And if shraeye is a full vig and not lying mafia, that would give us three shots to scum 1 (or 2). Hmm.
Doesn't fill me with happiness planning this, knowing someone will almost certainly shoot me, but alas. I think town has a chance here unless there are more scum left than we anticipate.
I wonder if lalight is lying and they're the last WW and pulling this stunt. It's not unlikely, but I lean toward truth
I wonder if lalight is lying and they're the last WW and pulling this stunt. It's not unlikely, but I lean toward truth
I mean I lean toward Lalight is telling the truth
I wonder if lalight is lying and they're the last WW and pulling this stunt. It's not unlikely, but I lean toward truth
I mean I lean toward Lalight is telling the truth
If LaLight is what he claims, then Shraeye doesn’t have to be Vig. Could be regular scum. I think. Having trouble keeping track of everything. 😂
If mm gets rbed, that means shraeye and/or Galz will not be.Why do you think I'm a roleblocker?
I also hope Eevee is just an rb and I can join your forces.
I think you're of Mafia faction and it's the only faction to have an rb
If mm gets rbed, that means shraeye and/or Galz will not be.Why do you think I'm a roleblocker?
I also hope Eevee is just an rb and I can join your forces.
I think you're of Mafia faction and it's the only faction to have an rb
This is incorrect. WW also have RB.
How about "there's no rb and Galz is an alien" option?
Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.
I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.
I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Galz could be an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 3rd alien, who turned in his partner for towncred. Mafia/Werewolf aren't afraid of a Bloodhound so only the aliens are incentivized to kill him. If Galz is an alien, then Aliens conveniently don't use their shot on their own player
Wait; I 200% misremembered what bloodhound does. My bad.Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.
I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Galz could be an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 3rd alien, who turned in his partner for towncred. Mafia/Werewolf aren't afraid of a Bloodhound so only the aliens are incentivized to kill him. If Galz is an alien, then Aliens conveniently don't use their shot on their own player
Ha. Yup, just figured that out.Why is raerae 100% good? Why is mail-mi more certain than Galzria?Mail-mis claim is believable, and terrrrible if he's from mafia or WW.
I'm most sure of Galzria,he's the only one who has found us scum yet.
Galz could be an ABSOLUTELY CRAZY 3rd alien, who turned in his partner for towncred. Mafia/Werewolf aren't afraid of a Bloodhound so only the aliens are incentivized to kill him. If Galz is an alien, then Aliens conveniently don't use their shot on their own player
Umm, Mafia/WW are just as afraid of Bloodhound as any other scum.
I believe LaLight; and mailmi now too.
We had 4 kills night 1
claimed shooters: Mafia (must be glooble), WW (must be Archetype), me (pps), Bright (sudgy)
LaLight claims a miss on Space
We had 2 kills night 2
claimed shooters: Mafia (??), WW (??), LaLight (e)
I forgot to shoot
--->So one of these is missing, or roleblocked, or shot at Space, or doubled on MiX. Many permutations
HEY LALIGHT, WHAT FLAVOR OF SK ARE YOU??
We had 4 kills night 3
claimed shooters: Mafia (pubby, presumably), WW (must be EFHW), LaLight (Joseph), me (Didds)
I don't think Aliens (if they are still around) have shot yet. I don't see an Alien team using that until the endgame.
I'm fine with that plan.
Is mafia vig or WW vig possible? Can anyone think of a way the NK's could have worked with shraeye lying? (covering bases)
I think an underreported story is how scummy Swan discarding Nurse is. I know I'm yapping without knowing what his claimed role would do, but sure seems like he wanted to be scum. Nurse is one of the stronger town roles.
Fair; I can disagree, but I understand your perspective. I mostly was wondering if you were straight up 2-shot BP, or if it was faction-immune.I believe LaLight; and mailmi now too.
We had 4 kills night 1
claimed shooters: Mafia (must be glooble), WW (must be Archetype), me (pps), Bright (sudgy)
LaLight claims a miss on Space
We had 2 kills night 2
claimed shooters: Mafia (??), WW (??), LaLight (e)
I forgot to shoot
--->So one of these is missing, or roleblocked, or shot at Space, or doubled on MiX. Many permutations
HEY LALIGHT, WHAT FLAVOR OF SK ARE YOU??
We had 4 kills night 3
claimed shooters: Mafia (pubby, presumably), WW (must be EFHW), LaLight (Joseph), me (Didds)
I don't think Aliens (if they are still around) have shot yet. I don't see an Alien team using that until the endgame.
I don't think it's in town best interest to say that.
Thanks LL. How does anyone pick 1-shot kingmaker over nurse?
Vote: Swan Vote: Swan Vote: SwanVote: SwanVote: Swan
@mod Please count as 5 votes.
If I die then raerae dies.
Also, please don’t.
I am unlikely to make it through the WW/Alien nonsense without town becoming involved.
If I die then raerae dies.I thought raerae being Vanilla-ized stopped that?
Also, please don’t.
I am unlikely to make it through the WW/Alien nonsense without town becoming involved.
I'm fine with that plan.
Is mafia vig or WW vig possible? Can anyone think of a way the NK's could have worked with shraeye lying? (covering bases)
I think an underreported story is how scummy Swan discarding Nurse is. I know I'm yapping without knowing what his claimed role would do, but sure seems like he wanted to be scum. Nurse is one of the stronger town roles.
That's not my reasoning at all, I think you are most likely to be scum.
I'm fine with (=I don't think I'll be able to avoid) being the lynch, I think shraeye and LL should both shoot Swan at night. I think you can figure it out tomorrow if it's someone else.
First night I targeted Space but the kill didn't go off of course.Like shraeye's claim, your Night 1 attempted kill seems pandering.
Second night e, third night Joseph.
If I die then raerae dies.
Also, please don’t.
I am unlikely to make it through the WW/Alien nonsense without town becoming involved.
But yeah, I think my vote is still on Eevee (reasons expressed in earlier posts). The roleblocker blocks several good paths, regardless of who's who.I'm talking about a metaphorical vote, by the way. Still one or two things to do before the Day ends.
shraeye forgot N2, I'd put a whole bunch of dollars on that. That doesn't make him town though, just confirms he is, in fact, still shraeye.Missing a kill, even as a SK, I find to be believable. 24 hour isn't really that long, especially if you only find out about Night several hours into it.
I'd still like an answer for why shraeye should have targeted you.Because their NK theory has me down as a SK:
My NK theory was: there have only ever been me, Werewolf, Mafia, Bright (SK) shooting. All 4 night 1, missing 2 night 2 (I forgot and somebody shot SK-Bright, all 4 night 3.Yet they targeted Didds on Night 3. ~1/4 chance to hit Mafia (blindfiring at the people who voted for me on Day 3), vs. shoot who you think is the SK.
Mod question: Are Psychiatrists told if their action successfully turns a SK in a Townie?
Yet they targeted Didds on Night 3. ~1/4 chance to hit Mafia (blindfiring at the people who voted for me on Day 3), vs. shoot who you think is the SK.And if it wasn't clear from my last few posts, I don't care about why this happened anymore. Either they're a Vigilante, in which case, hooray, or they're a SK, in which case there is a avenue for them to be useful to us, and become a Townie.
Okay, so there's a bit more danger later down the road, but nothing I've said above changes.Mod question: Are Psychiatrists told if their action successfully turns a SK in a Townie?
No
The gist is I'm leaning towards LaLight lying, being the last WW or the last Mafia member (other than Eevee). They couldn't claim either of the last unclaimed kills for Night 1 because it would invoke immediate suspicion, so they picked a target (that we know with hindsight) couldn't have been killed.Are you even trying to make sense anymore?
However, I also don't think it's such a big deal. If shraeye really is the SK, they're likely to just shoot LaLight tonight.
It kinda screws up because mail-mi could very well believe LaLight, and try to cure them instead of shraeye.
Alright, here's my round up for the day:
shraeye's silence on this whole matter is explained by them not fully believing mail-mi's claim, playing it safe basically. Them counterclaiming at this point would be unproductive when they can just kill LaLight tonight, and wait-and-see for tomorrow.
How in the world could I have acted Night 3 on a theory that I made on Day 4 once I saw how many kills there were?I'd still like an answer for why shraeye should have targeted you.Because their NK theory has me down as a SK:
But maybe yeah, even if I was a full Vigilante, I'd claim the moment I shot someone, just like I did in this game.Why would a full Vig reveal themselves the moment they shoot anyone, when instead they could just keep shooting for scum?
And... there is actually surprisingly little to go on.Why do you keep throwing line after line of terrible-assumption suspicion at me if you agree there's not much to go on?
But why shoot randomly? It's not like it was a Night start, there was a Day to go on.At what point during Day1 did my level of engagement lead you to believe I had any reads at all?
Why did you forget that Night 2 happens after Day 2?I was going to shoot for Glooble's potential partners on night 2, but also wanted to shoot at MiX and Space. Wanted to reread to see which of those two was more likely Glooble-partner, and forgot to shoot in time.But why these two? This seems like you are trying to pander to us. Remember, all you would've had to go on was Day 1, there was no faust reveal, and Space didn't even talk that much.
Why do you think I'm saying "I will not reconsider", when I said "I haven't had a chance to review or reanalyze the claim that happened just a few moments ago"?My NK theory was: there have only ever been me, Werewolf, Mafia, Bright (SK) shooting. All 4 night 1, missing 2 night 2 (I forgot and somebody shot SK-Bright, all 4 night 3.But shouldn't you?
But I haven't gone back to my drawing board after mail-mi's claim.
If I was Vanillaized on Night 2 by mail-mi, then there's no way I could've killed anyone on last night.
And if you think mail-mi is lying, then surely I'm not a Serial Killer at all, I'd be a WW or Mafia and in his faction. But then you can't point to me to explain last night 4th kill. So it'd be Alien's kill, Werewolf PGO, Parrot, etc.
Also why did you never shoot me?WHEN WOULD I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SHOOT YOU?
WHEN WOULD I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SHOOT YOU?
People I believe in order from most belief to lying liarsons.
1) LL
2) mail-mi
3) Galz
4) shraeye
5) DatSwan
6) Eddie
7) Eevee
8) Bright
Anybody wants to convince me not to vote for Bright, now's your chance.
I appreciate your dedication to technicalities :)WHEN WOULD I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SHOOT YOU?
You could’ve shot him N1, N2 or N3. 😁
Anybody wants to convince me not to vote for Bright, now's your chance.Because your vote shouldn't depend solely on who you think is lying, you should also consider the damage they could do to the town. So even if your tunnel vision thinks I'm lying, you'll still vote for Eevee. Doubly so if it's to avoid a No Lynch.
2) mail-mi
8) BrightAlso, you contradict yourself.
Anybody wants to convince me not to vote for Bright, now's your chance.Because your vote shouldn't depend solely on who you think is lying, you should also consider the damage they could do to the town. So even if your tunnel vision thinks I'm lying, you'll still vote for Eevee. Doubly so if it's to avoid a No Lynch.2) mail-mi8) BrightAlso, you contradict yourself.
Anybody wants to convince me not to vote for Bright, now's your chance.Because your vote shouldn't depend solely on who you think is lying, you should also consider the damage they could do to the town. So even if your tunnel vision thinks I'm lying, you'll still vote for Eevee. Doubly so if it's to avoid a No Lynch.2) mail-mi8) BrightAlso, you contradict yourself.
I think bright is town. Inaccurate town, but town.
I should place my vote. I think vote: eevee is best (that's L-1 I believe) though I could also go with DatSwan.
I'm pretty much 100% with Shraeye's analysis, and if he is sk then I can heal him.
I think bright is town. Inaccurate town, but town.
I should place my vote. I think vote: eevee is best (that's L-1 I believe) though I could also go with DatSwan.
I'm pretty much 100% with Shraeye's analysis, and if he is sk then I can heal him.
If you think Eevee is a roleblocker then it isn't it 110% possible he targeted you the night you targeted Bright?
Not really. You could be Mafia or WW or hell, not as likely, Alien.I assume your talking about the contradiction thing. Yes, that must be what raerae meant.
N1 there were 4 kills: While the claimed SK claimed to have shot Space, this may or may not be true. And there are other ways for a fourth kill to happen outside of your claimed 1-shot Vig.I'm not sure I follow what your saying here. I definitely see that LaLight may have not actually shot (and missed) Space, instead shooting either Glooble or Archetype, that's my working theory after-all.
I think bright is town. Inaccurate town, but town.Well, good. But to defend myself, I'm not inaccurate if even I admit I could be inaccurate and more importantly it won't affect any outcomes.
I should place my vote. I think vote: eevee is best (that's L-1 I believe) though I could also go with DatSwan.This is fine. I was waiting for you to say 100% who you would target tonight, just in case you snuff it and there's some question of who you targeted.
I'm pretty much 100% with Shraeye's analysis, and if he is sk then I can heal him.
If you think Eevee is a roleblocker then it isn't it 110% possible he targeted you the night you targeted Bright?Wait, so you DO still think I'm a Serial Killer? raerae, Galz claimed that he was roleblocked on Night 2. mail-mi used his ability on me Night 2. That doesn't work.
If you think Eevee is a roleblocker then it isn't it 110% possible he targeted you the night you targeted Bright?Wait, so you DO still think I'm a Serial Killer? raerae, Galz claimed that he was roleblocked on Night 2. mail-mi used his ability on me Night 2. That doesn't work.
I could hammer now! But I'll wait like 15 mins or something.
I think bright is town. Inaccurate town, but town.
I should place my vote. I think vote: eevee is best (that's L-1 I believe) though I could also go with DatSwan.
I'm pretty much 100% with Shraeye's analysis, and if he is sk then I can heal him.
If you think Eevee is a roleblocker then it isn't it 110% possible he targeted you the night you targeted Bright?
Or does your townread go further than you targeting him? If you've already explained it just send me in the right direction.
And yet here we are, coexisting in the same game, despite different ways of thinking and different beliefs. Both striving towards the same goal, having an enjoyable time. It's the magic of Mafia (the game), bring people together.
Alright, times up, the hammer:This really feels like a very accelerated race to the hammer.
Vote: Eevee
Player | Posts | Tokens |
Brightgalrs | 46 | 4860 |
shraeye | 29 | 2293 |
Eevee | 28 | 1637 |
DatSwan | 15 | 1356 |
raerae | 39 | 1031 |
LaLight | 29 | 813 |
Galzria | 20 | 688 |
mail-mi | 11 | 388 |
Uncleeurope | 8 | 251 |
I was town. Get them team, I believe in you!
I was town. Get them team, I believe in you!Mmm I'll believe it when I see it.
LL, what's the word? Which kill are you claiming?
I have been cured!
DatSwan has been killed! He was a Mafia Goon!Hey look I was right! Just ignore the fact that the reason I'm right was completely wrong.
shraeye has been killed! He was a Town Vigilante!Alright well LaLight might actually be a Serial Killer then.
I have been cured!Or you're simply claiming you were. mail-mi could've been roleblocked. You not being a Serial Killer to begin with is still on the table. Your claimed Night 1 (attempted) kill has me suspicious.
DatSwan
I think shraeye shot DS as well.Any particular reason? I lost a bit of suspicion of DatSwan after my Eevee-busing-theory fell through. Uncleeurope looked a little more appetizing after that.
vote: raeraeWhy? Also neither of you should be voting before Galz gets here.
Vote: Bright
That's L-2.
vote: raerae
Why? Also neither of you should be voting before Galz gets here.
If we believe LaLight, then there's one unexplained kill (Mafia killed either mail-mi or shraeye, leaving the other one). And that would point to the WWs still being around.
If he shot Mail-Mi, then all the kills are accounted for, if you assume that Mafia shot Shraeye..My assumption was that Shraeye had enough sense not to shoot mail-mi.
Good response.If he shot Mail-Mi, then all the kills are accounted for, if you assume that Mafia shot Shraeye..My assumption was that Shraeye had enough sense not to shoot mail-mi.
vote: raerae
Please explain why you think Rae is scum, and what type of scum she is.
I simply believe everyone else. I think she's ww.But there's still the roleblocker to worry about.
Who did Galz check both nights? Are we certain there's an rb?Yes that's a possibility, but then you'd have to suspect Galz is lying, see.
Who did Galz check both nights? Are we certain there's an rb?Yes that's a possibility, but then you'd have to suspect Galz is lying, see.
Vote: Bright
That's L-2.
Rae, please outline for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.
Because your vote shouldn't depend solely on who you think is lying, you should also consider the damage they could do to the town. So even if your tunnel vision thinks I'm lying, you'll still vote for Eevee. Doubly so if it's to avoid a No Lynch.
Dude, I can't explain shots and kills, I haven't analyzed the game like that and I wouldn't know where to start.It's pretty simple, on Night 1 four people died: Glooble, sudgy, pingpongsam, and Archetype.
Dude, I can't explain shots and kills, I haven't analyzed the game like that and I wouldn't know where to start.It's pretty simple, on Night 1 four people died: Glooble, sudgy, pingpongsam, and Archetype.
shraeye claims pingpongsam as his kill and I claim sudgy as my kill.
LaLight claims none of the kills (shoot at Space, he was a hider, immune).
So who killed Glooble? Who killed Archetype?
I understood the question but thanks for the mansplanation.I deeply apologize if that's how my explanation came off. I value the knowledge and insight of all genders, and no one deserves to feel like they are being talked down to in a condescending way. I'll avoid responding like that in future.
I've answered GalzNo you didn't:
line for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.
I understood the question but thanks for the mansplanation.I deeply apologize if that's how my explanation came off. I value the knowledge and insight of all genders, and no one deserves to feel like they are being talked down to in a condescending way. I'll avoid responding like that in future.I've answered GalzNo you didn't:line for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.
I understood the question but thanks for the mansplanation.I deeply apologize if that's how my explanation came off. I value the knowledge and insight of all genders, and no one deserves to feel like they are being talked down to in a condescending way. I'll avoid responding like that in future.I've answered GalzNo you didn't:line for me a series of night actions night 1 through night 3 that supports this vote. That is, your vote suggests you disbelieve Bright’s claim. So please explain shots & kills in a way that supports your disbelief.
I’m here, I just have nothing to add.
Basically, whoever comes out on top today will win with me tomorrow. I would rather not influence that decision if I can avoid it.
Or, if I am lying to you, you will be able to just lynch me tomorrow, although I would be bummed about that.
Galz, come back to the land of the living and give us some deets please.
And say what? I haven’t had to think about the game in the same wavelength as any of you people.
All I have is who I think is bad at this moment with little info or knowledge or schematics to back it up.
I could reveal that, but what is the point?
If I am right and we lynch them, then them losing has nothing to do with town figuring it out, which wouldn’t feel great.
I could lie about who I think it is, but it’s the same problem. I don’t want to kingmake here.
I would rather just make a statement that I will vote for the player with the most votes after X time has passed and be done with it. That way you guys can sort it out.
- Night 4 I targeted Bright again. I have more or less town read him the entire game, but SO MANY of you have been hounding him that I figured it was worth another check, and I figured he would be a "safer" player to target - that is, less likely to be shot by Shraeye/LaLight if either of them were telling the truth (in light of Eevee's flip, my highest suspicions for who to shoot to find Mafia were: Datswan, Raerae, Eddie, Mail-Mi, in about that order). Bright came back as Not Guilty.I believe it when you say you weren't roleblocked. From the roleblocker's perspective, one of the scum kills was certainly headed your way, so why waste the roleblock on you. Instead either shraeye or mail-mi would've been worthwhile targets.
But again see above, the only scenario where LaLight is a SK and the Town is likely to win, Uncleeurope is the roleblocker, and we should probably still lynch them first.When I say "LaLight is a SK" I'm talking about currently, like they are a SK and were never actually cured.
Mod question: Does a roleblocked Psychiatrist that uses their ability get told if they are roleblocked?
Alright well I'm utterly confused why mail-mi was killed last night then. Either whoever killed mail-mi thought they were actually scum, or they killed mail-mi simply to confuse us.Mod question: Does a roleblocked Psychiatrist that uses their ability get told if they are roleblocked?
No
Bright, you've analyzed this game left, right, and center. What other options could there be if roleblocker isn't real?If the roleblocker isn't real then Galz is lying and they are actually an Alien. It's the only possible way they could've known faust was an Alien on Day 2. faust didn't have an ability, so they couldn't have been tracked or anything like that, and there's no scum cop role that uncovers Aliens.
That being said, why is Galz town in all scenarios for you? Galz is either a liar or the RBer is exactly raerae who blocked MiX night he died or LaLight with Raerae as SK.Galz says he was roleblocked on the night MiX died, rules out raerae being the roleblocker and claiming to be vanilla-ized. raerae as a vanilla-ized SK is an interesting thought. Still no night kill coming from her, so lynching her isn't going to solve our problems.
Also bad teams have watchers/trackers that could have caught Faust.But faust didn't have an action, there's nothing to watch or track (besides carrying out their single faction kill, I suppose).
One last thing, @LaLight
LaLight, you didn't happen to think mail-mi's curing wouldn't go through, for whatever reason (didn't believe them, thought they would be roleblocked), so you killed last night using the SK part of your brain (killing mail-mi or shraeye), but then today you found out you actually were cured, and finding yourself in a position where you have to explain why you killed mail-mi/shraeye, you simply said you killed DatSwan. You didn't do that did you? Because under that hypothetical scenario, you're Town and you're making the Town think there is one more scum then there really is.
Anyway, just checking...
Also what type of bulletproofing did you have, it's probably safe to say it now seeing as you're basically a Vanilla Townie.
The easiest option is that raerae is a WW RBNo, she's definitely vanilla-ized and can't be responsible for the roleblocking. If there is only a WW RB left then it's Uncle or you.
The easiest option is that raerae is a WW RBNo, she's definitely vanilla-ized and can't be responsible for the roleblocking. If there is only a WW RB left then it's Uncle or you.
In fact, the roleblocker, whichever flavor of scum they are, has to be Uncle or you.
When it's put to you like that, surely you'd be in favor of lynching Uncle, right?
Bright, none of your scenarios consider I could be town. Have you taken that off the table completely? If you put it back on does that change your lunch preference?In the first three scenarios, you are town:
The final list of scenarios where the Town is likely to win:
- LaLight is a WW roleblocker.
- Uncleeurope is a WW roleblocker.
- Uncleeurope is a WW roleblocker, LaLight is a SK.
- raerae is Mafia, and Uncleeurope is the WW roleblocker.
- raerae is WW, and Uncleeurope is the Mafia roleblocker.
Bright, none of your scenarios consider I could be town. Have you taken that off the table completely? If you put it back on does that change your lunch preference?In the first three scenarios, you are town:The final list of scenarios where the Town is likely to win:
- LaLight is a WW roleblocker.
- Uncleeurope is a WW roleblocker.
- Uncleeurope is a WW roleblocker, LaLight is a SK.
- raerae is Mafia, and Uncleeurope is the WW roleblocker.
- raerae is WW, and Uncleeurope is the Mafia roleblocker.
Bright, none of your scenarios consider I could be town. Have you taken that off the table completely? If you put it back on does that change your lunch preference?In the first three scenarios, you are town:The final list of scenarios where the Town is likely to win:
- LaLight is a WW roleblocker.
- Uncleeurope is a WW roleblocker.
- Uncleeurope is a WW roleblocker, LaLight is a SK.
- raerae is Mafia, and Uncleeurope is the WW roleblocker.
- raerae is WW, and Uncleeurope is the Mafia roleblocker.
I went into this role knowing I was unlikely to win, and I was fine with that, I was just playing for the fun of it as my semester winded down. Now I feel like I can win this thing, but I am being locked out of that because you guys don’t want to test to see if another player is the last scum before me.
If we lynch the last scum today we just immediately win.
I went into this role knowing I was unlikely to win, and I was fine with that, I was just playing for the fun of it as my semester winded down. Now I feel like I can win this thing, but I am being locked out of that because you guys don’t want to test to see if another player is the last scum before me.
If we lynch the last scum today we just immediately win.
I'm not voting for you yet, slow down the panic button.
I went into this role knowing I was unlikely to win, and I was fine with that, I was just playing for the fun of it as my semester winded down. Now I feel like I can win this thing, but I am being locked out of that because you guys don’t want to test to see if another player is the last scum before me.
If we lynch the last scum today we just immediately win.
I'm not voting for you yet, slow down the panic button.
It’s hard when I’m panicking.
Galz is almost certainly lying. The cases where he isn’t lying have me noted as a RBer, I’m not a RBer.Shouldn't your suspicion be with LaLight over Galz? It's entirely possible LaLight is the scum RBer, and they've been lying about being a SK the entire time. That seems pretty straight forward compared to thinking Galz is scum.
Galz is almost certainly lying. The cases where he isn’t lying have me noted as a RBer, I’m not a RBer.Shouldn't your suspicion be with LaLight over Galz? It's entirely possible LaLight is the scum RBer, and they've been lying about being a SK the entire time. That seems pretty straight forward compared to thinking Galz is scum.
But let's imagine Galz is scum. On Day 2 Galz somehow knew faust (an Alien) was scum and the only way that's possible (without a random guess) is if Galz is also an Alien (No scum investigative roles uncover Aliens, faust had no Watch-able or Track-able ability). The Alien's would've created this plan on Night 1: Galz would claim to have a guilty investigation on faust, faust would then be lynched, and this would result in Galz being "confirmed" as Town. This strategy also requires Galz to be the Bulletproof Alien Lover (guaranteeing them not being night killed).
The problem with all of that is that MiX was apparently not on board with the plan. Go back and look at a few of their posts during Day 2. It should've been really simple, get on faust's lynchwagon as soon as possible, get them lynched. Instead MiX (somewhat weakly) suggested not lynching faust, saying that the Mafia is a bigger threat than the Aliens. How they acted doesn't match with having a master plan.
The problem is that forces another player to be SK, which can’t be Raerae or you, so it has to be Galz... which means Galz is lying.Actually an additional SK isn't necessary explain the night kills since we now know shraeye was a vigilante the entire time.
So let me try and help you out here. Let’s say you lynch me and I flip Survovor. Who is your number one suspect?It'd mean LaLight is the roleblocker, so them.
Oh, then let’s lynch LL first.Yep, part of me wants to.
Do we know there's a roleblocker or do we "know" there's a roleblocker based on the belief that Galz is telling the truth?"Know". I can confidently say I don't know anything.
Do we know there's a roleblocker or do we "know" there's a roleblocker based on the belief that Galz is telling the truth?"Know". I can confidently say I don't know anything.
Based on your analysis or Galz?It's all based on what Galz says. And then me coming to the conclusion that Galz is likely not scum.
Okay I figured something out.
Imagine LaLight is actually the roleblocker, and they lied about being a SK, etc. Who did they roleblock last night? Not Galz. mail-mi makes no sense. shraeye seems like an obvious pick, but that can't possibly be because where did the third kill come from? raerae and me are also options, but choosing to roleblock either of us over Galz or shraeye seems unlikely.
Because that line of thought is pretty weak, it points to Uncleeurope being the roleblocker.
I'll wait for Galz to get a word in, but I think I'm going with Eddie.
I believe LaLight; and mailmi now too.
We had 4 kills night 1
claimed shooters: Mafia (must be glooble), WW (must be Archetype), me (pps), Bright (sudgy)
LaLight claims a miss on Space
We had 2 kills night 2
claimed shooters: Mafia (??), WW (??), LaLight (e)
I forgot to shoot
--->So one of these is missing, or roleblocked, or shot at Space, or doubled on MiX. Many permutations
HEY LALIGHT, WHAT FLAVOR OF SK ARE YOU??
We had 4 kills night 3
claimed shooters: Mafia (pubby, presumably), WW (must be EFHW), LaLight (Joseph), me (Didds)
I don't think Aliens (if they are still around) have shot yet. I don't see an Alien team using that until the endgame.
I don't think it's in town best interest to say that.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
He already claimed 2 shot BP.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?
I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?
I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.
So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?
I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.
So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?
What? I literally was incapable of targeting. That’s what a Roleblocker does. They block a role from taking action. I never targeted Joseph because I was made incapable of doing so.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?
I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.
So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?
What? I literally was incapable of targeting. That’s what a Roleblocker does. They block a role from taking action. I never targeted Joseph because I was made incapable of doing so.
I'm not trying to be difficult here. You still posted "Target: Joseph" in your QT so in my head the attempt was made and the Roleblocker stopped the action from moving forward past the target phase so you should still have been shown as targeting somebody. If that isn't how it works then that isn't how it works, that why I asked.
I got the choice between vanilla town or town tracker.
N1 tracked PPS, he targeted EFHW
N2 tracked Space, got no result
N3 tracked Galzria, he targeted no one
Galz, can you explain how this would have happened?
I was Roleblocked N3, my targeting failed.
So it doesn't reflect you targeting anybody even though you did target and just received no result?
What? I literally was incapable of targeting. That’s what a Roleblocker does. They block a role from taking action. I never targeted Joseph because I was made incapable of doing so.
I'm not trying to be difficult here. You still posted "Target: Joseph" in your QT so in my head the attempt was made and the Roleblocker stopped the action from moving forward past the target phase so you should still have been shown as targeting somebody. If that isn't how it works then that isn't how it works, that why I asked.
Think of all night actions not as being: “Target: X”, but instead as being: “Intent to Target: X”, and then follow the natural order of resolution.
Galz: “Intent to Target Joseph”
Eevee: “Intent to Track Galz”
RB: “Intent to RB Galz”
RB takes place before my Investigation.
My Investigation takes place before Eevee’s Tracking.
Eevee’s Tracking is almost always last resolution.
Before Eevee can track me, I’m prevented from ever visiting Joseph. I receive “No Result” because my action failed. Eevee sees me Target nobody because I was prevented from doing so. He doesn’t see my Intent, he only sees if I actually visit somebody.
Went to the wiki to try to understand better and came back with this.
"By default, players cannot perform two actions at once, which is often an issue for a Mafia Roleblocker if they end up as the last remaining member of their faction."
So there's one more piece of information that doesn't help solve shit.
Did any VTs die that day?
He was a Goon, isn’t that Vanilla?
Bright, could Raerae be Alien who claimed to be Vanilla-ized after seeing the N2 Vsnilla-ized player flip dead at start of D3?
I pushed faust's lunch and called MiX out on his shenanigans that whole day. I don't go after both partners in the same day, that's insanity.
So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
I pushed faust's lunch and called MiX out on his shenanigans that whole day. I don't go after both partners in the same day, that's insanity.So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Just as much as I did, and yet you’ve made the same suggestion against me about being the third alien. You want to explore all cases, fine, accept the same then.
Bright, could Raerae be Alien who claimed to be Vanilla-ized after seeing the N2 Vsnilla-ized player flip dead at start of D3?
And to what end? Why wouldn't I just claim regular Nymphomaniac instead of vanilla'd Nymphomaniac?
I pushed faust's lunch and called MiX out on his shenanigans that whole day. I don't go after both partners in the same day, that's insanity.So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Just as much as I did, and yet you’ve made the same suggestion against me about being the third alien. You want to explore all cases, fine, accept the same then.
Bright, could Raerae be Alien who claimed to be Vanilla-ized after seeing the N2 Vsnilla-ized player flip dead at start of D3?
And to what end? Why wouldn't I just claim regular Nymphomaniac instead of vanilla'd Nymphomaniac?
Because it makes you look way better to claim to be vanilla-ized, and unties you from that faction.
I pushed faust's lunch and called MiX out on his shenanigans that whole day. I don't go after both partners in the same day, that's insanity.So we’re all pretty clear that MiX is faust’s Allen partner, yeah? Lynch Faust, let scum shoot MiX, and that’s an entire faction gone. Coolio.
Just as much as I did, and yet you’ve made the same suggestion against me about being the third alien. You want to explore all cases, fine, accept the same then.
My point wasn’t “Hey, I think this is the case”, just “Hey, I don’t think this has been considered”.
Mod Question: Can a solo remaining scum player use their PR and shoot on the same night?
Bright, could Raerae be Alien who claimed to be Vanilla-ized after seeing the N2 Vsnilla-ized player flip dead at start of D3?Yeah that could be possible. Roleblocking still can't come from her if that's the case.
I have literally nothing to prove I am a vt. But I guess I still made a right choice claiming, because I win with town and I really hope town wins this one.
vote: Galzria
I have literally nothing to prove I am a vt. But I guess I still made a right choice claiming, because I win with town and I really hope town wins this one.
vote: Galzria
Dude, I literally cannot be lying. There is no world where any of my results, or the actions surrounding me, can add up to my being scum.
Bright, could Raerae be Alien who claimed to be Vanilla-ized after seeing the N2 Vsnilla-ized player flip dead at start of D3?Yeah that could be possible. Roleblocking still can't come from her if that's the case.
But I'm ready to vote now.
Vote: Uncleeurope
Do what you want, a No Lynch isn't the worst thing that could happen.
I have literally nothing to prove I am a vt. But I guess I still made a right choice claiming, because I win with town and I really hope town wins this one.
vote: Galzria
Dude, I literally cannot be lying. There is no world where any of my results, or the actions surrounding me, can add up to my being scum.
So then, given that raerae is vanillaized, bright is not guilty, a am a vt or SK, whatever you want to believe, the only option is Eddie, right? What other explanation could there be, unless you somehow think I am the roleblocker?
I have literally nothing to prove I am a vt. But I guess I still made a right choice claiming, because I win with town and I really hope town wins this one.
vote: Galzria
Dude, I literally cannot be lying. There is no world where any of my results, or the actions surrounding me, can add up to my being scum.
So then, given that raerae is vanillaized, bright is not guilty, a am a vt or SK, whatever you want to believe, the only option is Eddie, right? What other explanation could there be, unless you somehow think I am the roleblocker?
This is a scummy post.
You are acting like you being the RBer is an unheard of theory and your only pool of possibilities are VT/SK.
LL, the simple fact that he hasn't hammered you should prove you're wrong about Galz.
There's already two votes on you, it takes three to lynch.
There's already two votes on you, it takes three to lynch.
Why would he quickhammer I mean?
Because it would guarantee his lynch tomorrow.
Because it would guarantee his lynch tomorrow.
Why is Eddie lying about being Survivor but LL isn't lying about being SK?
Why is Eddie lying about being Survivor but LL isn't lying about being SK?
For once in my life I'm not being sassy, just trying to understand, I promise.
Why is Eddie lying about being Survivor but LL isn't lying about being SK?
For once in my life I'm not being sassy, just trying to understand, I promise.
:-*
I mean, I'm not entirely certain about your question - they both could be lying, they can't both be telling the truth.
I think it's more likely that Eddie is lying than LaLight because... Survivor is just so much more of a safe-claim than SK, right? Like, SK can never win with town, so town always needs to deal with that situation. Survivor CAN win with town, so the necessity to take them out isn't really there. That makes it a much stronger claim for scum than SK.
I'll grant you, on the flip side, that claiming SK gives a player less scrutiny if they're, say, tracked to a kill... so they're not entirely fucked if caught... but still.
I don't know. It could be either - my gut just says the SK claim is more likely to be true than the Survivor claim.
My wincon has basically become "LaLight is the only evil left"
And we lynch the guy.
If we kill LL now what's night look like?
Best case:
No night, we all win!
Second best case:
I'm the NK, Bright has to choose between Eddie and Galz
Worst case:
I'm the NK, scum+/-Eddie win
I can't see a town win if Galz is scum. It looks like there's max two votes available so his lynch isn't going through. Bright is his ride or die and I can't see that changing.
If you kill me then Bright is likely the NK and Eddie gets to kingmake.
If we kill Eddie then I think we end up with Second best case and worst case, obviously switching Eddie with LL.
And didn't we find out TODAY that mail-mi wouldn't have found out whether or not his cure was successful? LL had to block shraeye and kill mail-mi to cover his own butt last night.
In all seriousness, you think about these games too much, man. :P
Also, it’s been fun playing with you, man. Sorry that my sole purpose has been to throw you to the wolves as of late. I would have tried to win it with you if the option presented itself, and I appreciate you trying to keep me alive as much as you did.
I just woke up from a dream in which raerae made a post that it doesn't matter what alignment I am I need to lose, because my jokes aren't funny, I got offended and self-hammered lol
Turns out it was LaLight all along.
Also, our best shot at winning has become not shooting each other.
We can actually force a tie here.
I shoot Bright, you shoot Galz, we lynch Raerae, then we shoot each other.
Okay, well the baddie should claim before Twilight ends. Because I could just shoot you then.
I wasn’t the flippin’ RBer, so either it’s you or Galz is a liar.
I will shoot the one claiming to be town the most.
Okay, well the baddie should claim before Twilight ends. Because I could just shoot you then.
I wasn’t the flippin’ RBer, so either it’s you or Galz is a liar.
I will shoot the one claiming to be town the most.
Shoot me. So they won't lynch me tomorrow. Also everyone will se I don't have 2-shot bp anymore. Or I do.
No, I’m a survivor. In fact, you could say I am the best survivor in the world.
I survive even beyond the limits of normal surviving.
No, I’m a survivor. In fact, you could say I am the best survivor in the world.
I survive even beyond the limits of normal surviving.
No, I’m a survivor. In fact, you could say I am the best survivor in the world.
I survive even beyond the limits of normal surviving.
Alien can be unlynchable, Mafia can prevent a lynch, town can kill off a lynch...
No, I’m a survivor. In fact, you could say I am the best survivor in the world.
I survive even beyond the limits of normal surviving.
Alien can be unlynchable, Mafia can prevent a lynch, town can kill off a lynch...
But you’re not Town. So you’re scum.
No, I’m a survivor. In fact, you could say I am the best survivor in the world.
I survive even beyond the limits of normal surviving.
Alien can be unlynchable, Mafia can prevent a lynch, town can kill off a lynch...
But you’re not Town. So you’re scum.
No, I’m a survivor. In fact, you could say I am the best survivor in the world.
I survive even beyond the limits of normal surviving.
Alien can be unlynchable, Mafia can prevent a lynch, town can kill off a lynch...
But you’re not Town. So you’re scum.
Well, you can’t win. But neither can I.
Town can win. Or we can force a no-win “everybody dies”.
You shoot LaLight, I’ll shoot Bright. That leaves you, me & Rae tomorrow. We lynch Rae and shoot each other - nobody wins, everybody dies. We all lose together!
This game has been massively fun. Like, huge, huge props to ADK.
If you shoot me or I shoot you, the two remaining Town players can lynch whichever of us is alive tomorrow.
Lynching LaLight would’ve resulted in the same outcome. He would die, I would shoot Bright, you would shoot Bright (Me, You, Rae alive tomorrow), me (you win), or Rae (we shoot each other). There was no wincon for me anymore. /sadface
Incredibly well played all!!
No, I’m a survivor. In fact, you could say I am the best survivor in the world.
I survive even beyond the limits of normal surviving.
Alien can be unlynchable, Mafia can prevent a lynch, town can kill off a lynch...
But you’re not Town. So you’re scum.
Well, you can’t win. But neither can I.
Town can win. Or we can force a no-win “everybody dies”.
You shoot LaLight, I’ll shoot Bright. That leaves you, me & Rae tomorrow. We lynch Rae and shoot each other - nobody wins, everybody dies. We all lose together!
This game has been massively fun. Like, huge, huge props to ADK.
If you shoot me or I shoot you, the two remaining Town players can lynch whichever of us is alive tomorrow.
Lynching LaLight would’ve resulted in the same outcome. He would die, I would shoot Bright, you would shoot Bright (Me, You, Rae alive tomorrow), me (you win), or Rae (we shoot each other). There was no wincon for me anymore. /sadface
Incredibly well played all!!
What’s your role?
I feel like the best place this game can end is with everyone dead, it really rounds out the story arc.
Don't leave me alive, guys, pleaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeee.
Don't leave me alive, guys, pleaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeee.
Sorry Raerae! That’s how I felt when you were scum in the last one. 😢
You could still win if you’re an Alien, which, if you do, you deserve.
Don't leave me alive, guys, pleaaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeee.
Sorry Raerae! That’s how I felt when you were scum in the last one. 😢
You could still win if you’re an Alien, which, if you do, you deserve.
Just regular old town this time. Am I the only one left or were Bright and LL actually telling the truth?
So, call me dumb, how'd you know about faust?
So, call me dumb, how'd you know about faust?
My bourbon gives me psychic powers.
So, call me dumb, how'd you know about faust?
I guess if I stayed SK, I might've had a chance?
Day Six Start
Brightgalrs has been killed! He was a Town One-Shot Vigilante!
raerae has been killed! She was a Town Nymphomaniac!
Not Voting (3): Uncleeurope, Galzria, LaLight
With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. Day Six begins now and ends at 14:30 UTC, 12/18/19.
Let’s bring in some speccies.
Vote: LaLight
Shoot: Eddie
Let’s bring in some speccies.
Vote: LaLight
Shoot: Eddie
One night hits, obviously. 😋
Let’s bring in some speccies.
Vote: LaLight
Shoot: Eddie
One night hits, obviously. 😋
Well, GG.
If literally anyone else died yesterday I had it. Which is a bummer.
Well played, Galz.
Let’s bring in some speccies.
Vote: LaLight
Shoot: Eddie
One night hits, obviously. 😋
Well, GG.
If literally anyone else died yesterday I had it. Which is a bummer.
Well played, Galz.
Only if you would’ve shot me last night I think. Had were lynched LaLight and you shot either Bright (who I would’ve shot, leaving [You, Me, Rae]) or Rae (leaving [You, Me]), you still wouldn’t have made it out alive. In the first scenario, even if we lynch (and fail) you, you and I shoot each other and Rae/Town wins. In the second scenario we can’t lynch and we shoot each other and we’re back to where we are now.
However yes, if you had planned to shoot me last night after a lynch that wasn’t you, then you would’ve won.
Well I knew that either you/LaLight is evil (I thought it was you, but no one else seemed convinced) and if we lynched you/LaLight I shot the other in every case, I have no idea who I would shoot if raerae/Bright was lynched, though. So you are right, it was a slimmer chance.
Did you think I was Survivor at all?
Well I knew that either you/LaLight is evil (I thought it was you, but no one else seemed convinced) and if we lynched you/LaLight I shot the other in every case, I have no idea who I would shoot if raerae/Bright was lynched, though. So you are right, it was a slimmer chance.
Did you think I was Survivor at all?
Yes. I didn’t think I was dealing with any scum factions left, and unless Mail-Mi messed up and targeted Shraeye for some reason, LaLight was definitely Town.
I thought I had:
LaLight - Town
Raerae - Town
Bright - Town
Eddie - Survivor
Me - WW
I knew I was shooting Bright, as that’s what scum does 100% of the time (compared to shooting me anyway - my “town flip” confirms Bright to be town, his town flip doesn’t confirm me).
Even though I thought you were Survivor, I knew whomever was left between You/LaLight would KNOW I was lying (as Rae couldn’t be RB). Each of you would vote for me on the final day. I felt you had WAY more pull with Raerae than LaLight - and had a much better chance of convincing her to try and joint-win with you as Survivor.
I was trying to fathom any way you tricked me out of a tie, and you having a bizarre hiding partner was one case, which is why I swapped the kill order.
I almost ended up shooting raerae, myself. Haha.
You two are the worst best.
In case you don't see it in the speccy, I meant my claim to be "I am a type of Miller" and not "I am the Miller role". I didn't realize people misunderstood me until after I died :(
Mafia NK’d a baddie every 4/6 times, I think. I am still patting myself on the back over that.
Plus I gave you the speccy this way! You should be happy. :D
Alien: https://quicktopic.com/52/H/6EH9Jx6j8Wjta
Speccy: https://quicktopic.com/52/H/sCchNTWGZ3R
In the Alien QT the words "Galzria!IC" exist, and they will curse me for quite some time now.
Alien: https://quicktopic.com/52/H/6EH9Jx6j8Wjta
Speccy: https://quicktopic.com/52/H/sCchNTWGZ3R
In the Alien QT the words "Galzria!IC" exist, and they will curse me for quite some time now.
It’s ok, I was a MiX!IC.
My gift to all of you is that no matter how badly you think you misplayed, I misplayed worse.Nah, if you got a shooty, using it is your duty. The actual results are secondary.
Fun fact:
Glooble & I were partners in this game & Joth’s. He started to kinda mention it (“Hey, scum together again!” sort of thing) in the scum QT of Joth’s game, and I was super paranoid about a third partner or somebody in this game getting access to our QT there. 😝 I think I played it off pretty well at the time, but I was sweating for a minute or two!
Good game y'all
Sorry I cured you LaLight
ADK,
That was so much fun! I love the setup and would play it over and over! So much variety!
Thank you for hosting!
How was Modding with your schedule? Everything seemed great on my end!
In Modern Community I was a nerfed SK in a game as big as this one, so I claimed psychiatrist hoping to be counter-claimed. It didn't work, though.Good game y'all
Sorry I cured you LaLight
Well, no problem, it was your job!
Fun fact: I went to the real psychiatrist this Sunday for the first time, so I can definitely say I am not a Serial Killer irl, sleep safely
Also let's run this setup again! Loads of fun. I got to be an SK the second time in my mafia career and this time it went plenty better than the last. I had a real chance at winning and it warms me.
Serial Killers usually don't admit to it
regarding a few of those decisions. I feel like raerae's power was to add a "lover" modifier to another player. If raerae is then Vanillaized, her target still has the Lover modifier (though she has lost hers).
Like what if a town-parrot targets the vanilla-izer? Then the Vanilla-izer gets vanilla-ized, but I wouldn't expect all their previous targets to regain abilities.
I also think that Space shouldn't be able to kill/hide at the same time; that works similar to voluntary scum powers (either use power OR kill, unless you're the last of your kind). Not sure on the "Weak" modifier on the hider; I never realized that the weak modifier was "standard" on Hider.
regarding a few of those decisions. I feel like raerae's power was to add a "lover" modifier to another player. If raerae is then Vanillaized, her target still has the Lover modifier (though she has lost hers).
Like what if a town-parrot targets the vanilla-izer? Then the Vanilla-izer gets vanilla-ized, but I wouldn't expect all their previous targets to regain abilities.
I also think that Space shouldn't be able to kill/hide at the same time; that works similar to voluntary scum powers (either use power OR kill, unless you're the last of your kind). Not sure on the "Weak" modifier on the hider; I never realized that the weak modifier was "standard" on Hider.
But then it's neither here nor there because who dies if that person dies with the modifier? I no longer had it so they'd be #foreveralone.
regarding a few of those decisions. I feel like raerae's power was to add a "lover" modifier to another player. If raerae is then Vanillaized, her target still has the Lover modifier (though she has lost hers).
Like what if a town-parrot targets the vanilla-izer? Then the Vanilla-izer gets vanilla-ized, but I wouldn't expect all their previous targets to regain abilities.
I also think that Space shouldn't be able to kill/hide at the same time; that works similar to voluntary scum powers (either use power OR kill, unless you're the last of your kind). Not sure on the "Weak" modifier on the hider; I never realized that the weak modifier was "standard" on Hider.
But then it's neither here nor there because who dies if that person dies with the modifier? I no longer had it so they'd be #foreveralone.
I've seen one-way lovers before.
regarding a few of those decisions. I feel like raerae's power was to add a "lover" modifier to another player. If raerae is then Vanillaized, her target still has the Lover modifier (though she has lost hers).
Like what if a town-parrot targets the vanilla-izer? Then the Vanilla-izer gets vanilla-ized, but I wouldn't expect all their previous targets to regain abilities.
I also think that Space shouldn't be able to kill/hide at the same time; that works similar to voluntary scum powers (either use power OR kill, unless you're the last of your kind). Not sure on the "Weak" modifier on the hider; I never realized that the weak modifier was "standard" on Hider.
But then it's neither here nor there because who dies if that person dies with the modifier? I no longer had it so they'd be #foreveralone.
I've seen one-way lovers before.
Me too. You know I always tell them it's a toxic relationship and they should get out, but they don't listen and they just end up getting hurt.
You could never tell me to stop loving you, Joth:
You could never tell me to stop loving you, Joth:
Look if dayvigging a cop on day 1 didn't work and trolling my players with a townless mafia setup didn't work, I guess the love of this community is hard to shake.
Who dislikes Awaclus?? He's great!
Yeah! It's not like he's shraeye!
-I would look into a more intuitive way to deal with both the vanilliaser and the vanilla cop. Should vanilla cop get a "vanilla" result on players who have been vanillaised?
Also I let space kill and hide at the same time which was maybe a little OP