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Title: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Game Over: Town wins)
Post by: jotheonah on April 18, 2019, 11:22:00 am
Welcome to "A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills", a semi-open mafia game based on Lemony Snicket's "A Series of Unfortunate Events".

Moderated by jotheonah and Glooble

This space held for rules, player lists, day starts, etc.

1. A Drowned Kernel
2. shraeye
3. 2.71828.....
4. MiX
5. Awaclus
6. raerae
7. WestCoastDidds
8. DatSwan
9. ashersky
10. UncleEurope
11. pubby
12. mcmcsalot
13. faust

General rules

Changes to the usual rule sets are marked in purple.

The Golden Rule:


Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!  Be considerate of each other, donít get personal, and enjoy the game. Please read The Civility Pledge (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.0) before signing up for any mafia game on this site.  If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play. Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.

1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:

1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any game-related source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings and the QTs or other mechanisms specifically designed for this purpose.
3. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 12 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.

2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:

1. Day phases will last 5 days, Night lasts at least 48 hours. Night action deadline is 36 hours after night start. Some night actions in this game may require multiple back and forth communications with the mods. In those cases, the 36 hour deadline is for the last player submission, so please initiate the interaction before that.
2. Barring certain role-related powers, a simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for a lynch to occur prior to deadline.
3. Once you have reached a majority necessary to lynch, no further unvoting will change someoneís fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
4. Once a player is lynched, the game enters twilight until the mod locks the thread; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, the vote is treated as a No Lynch
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName.  Votes in another format may or may not be counted. This is up to the mod's discretion. Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
10. Any time you are dead (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in shared Quicktopics. This means that you do not even get a ďBahĒ post. The dead in this game are silent.
11. If the thread is locked, you may not post.  Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post.  The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked. Glooble will not be able to modify posts or lock the thread, but he is full co-mod, so please respect his thread locks as law.

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4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they donít get missed.
5. Prods of missing players may be issued after 24 hours of no activity.  A prodded player has 24 hours to respond or risks replacement.  A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under without further notice. Players with announced VLA are exempt from this rule the first time it happens.
6. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread.  Treat this game as a commitment.  Be considerate Ė donít leave us hanging. Players who fail to post for 48 hours without an announcement risk being subject to replacement and/or being modkilled without further notice.
7. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game. Do not discuss this game in any thread that is not directly related to it.
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Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: jotheonah on April 18, 2019, 11:22:33 am
I implore you, if you value your happiness, click away from this mafia game. There are many other games you can play on this site, and none is as filled with gloom and despair as this game, which tells the story of the orphaned Baudelaire children.

You still have a chance to reconsider typing ď/inĒ. And while it is my solemn duty to moderate this somber game, you have no such duty.

ďA Series of Unfortunate NightkillsĒ is a semi-open setup for 13 players, a word which here means that while some information about the setup will be made public, a good deal more will not. For instance, it will be made public that three players are Baudelaire children and that these three players, who will share a Quicktopic forum, must have at least one survivor in order for the town faction to win. And it will be made public that three other town players are Volunteer members of the VFD, a secret organization working to protect the Baudelaires.

On the other hand, the identities of these players, their powers, the powers of the other four town players, and the powers and identities of the three Arsonists out to kill the Baudelaire children, are all hidden information, a phrase which here means it will only be included in part in select private messages at the start of the game. The existence, purpose, and location of the sugar bowl will also remain a mystery.

The object of the game is to eliminate all three Arsonists while preserving the lives of at least one Beaudelaire child. Unless, of course, you happen to have received one of the three PMs that designates you an arsonist, a splinter faction of the VFD who have dedicated their lives to starting fires, in which case your objective is to kill all three Baudelaires, as quickly and efficiently as possible.

This game will be full of death, despair and unhappy endings, and if you wish to sign up for some other game, such as Pony Party Mafia, no one will think less of you. However, if you still wish to participate in the sad tale about to unfold, sign up here.

-- Lemony Snicket
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on April 18, 2019, 11:29:45 am
/in
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: shraeye on April 18, 2019, 11:35:25 am
Yessssss, that's my flavor.

\in
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: 2.71828..... on April 18, 2019, 11:41:04 am
/in

Even though I already know I will lose
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: MiX on April 18, 2019, 11:54:53 am
/in

Great, now I'll be in 2 games...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: Awaclus on April 18, 2019, 01:16:05 pm
/in
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: faust on April 18, 2019, 03:49:26 pm
/tag
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: silverspawn on April 18, 2019, 04:35:16 pm
I actually hosted a s.o.u.e mafia once, but because the story was so unpleasant, I took the logical conclusion and didn't tell it past the opening flavor (somehow Lemony always decides to print his books anyway!)

Might sign in if it's still open at 5.5
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: jotheonah on April 18, 2019, 05:28:21 pm
I actually hosted a s.o.u.e mafia once, but because the story was so unpleasant, I took the logical conclusion and didn't tell it past the opening flavor (somehow Lemony always decides to print his books anyway!)

Might sign in if it's still open at 5.5

Really! Here on f.ds or elsewhere?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: silverspawn on April 18, 2019, 05:42:07 pm
I would not host games anywhere else! It was duel mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg620726#msg620726).

... but it seems like I didn't actually put flavor anywhere except into that one post. I do remember that I was planning to write more flavor, though, I just didn't know how to when it came time to actually do it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: raerae on April 18, 2019, 05:59:23 pm
/IN!!!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: raerae on April 18, 2019, 06:00:40 pm
Also, I think it's known that joth has the best flavor on site, right?  Have we ever voted on that?  I'm voting on that.

vobe: joth
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 19, 2019, 10:27:12 pm
I thought I was auto /in!?!?!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 19, 2019, 10:27:57 pm
Also, I think it's known that joth has the best flavor on site, right?  Have we ever voted on that?  I'm voting on that.

vobe: joth

+1
Vobe: Joth
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: DatSwan on April 20, 2019, 02:44:07 am
/in sauce
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 20, 2019, 10:07:29 am
/in sauce

As much as I love your owl, I missed the sweet pup face! Is that your dog?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: jotheonah on April 20, 2019, 02:50:58 pm
Also, I think it's known that joth has the best flavor on site, right?  Have we ever voted on that?  I'm voting on that.

vobe: joth

Flattery will not get you a better role assignment!

But it is appreciated.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: DatSwan on April 20, 2019, 04:01:57 pm
/in sauce

As much as I love your owl, I missed the sweet pup face! Is that your dog?

Yep - he is much less puppy now as opposed to the picture tho :P
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 20, 2019, 04:52:13 pm
/in sauce

As much as I love your owl, I missed the sweet pup face! Is that your dog?

Yep - he is much less puppy now as opposed to the picture tho :P

He is fantastic! What is his name?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: ashersky on April 22, 2019, 05:23:42 am
/in
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: jotheonah on April 22, 2019, 10:01:01 am
Your mods met in person this weekend to hash out outstanding details and try to break the setup. We now have something we're 99 percent happy with, so we should be ready to start as soon as it fills.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: Glooble on April 22, 2019, 04:54:50 pm
 All of the role PMs have now been written. They are a bit more elaborate than role PMs typically are and honestly, I'm quite proud of them.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on April 22, 2019, 08:46:55 pm
All of the role PMs have now been written. They are a bit more elaborate than role PMs typically are and honestly, I'm quite proud of them.

Glooble and a Joth are awesome. Everyone knows this. It is known.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open)
Post by: raerae on April 22, 2019, 10:18:13 pm
All of the role PMs have now been written. They are a bit more elaborate than role PMs typically are and honestly, I'm quite proud of them.

I. Cannot. Wait.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: silverspawn on April 23, 2019, 04:18:00 pm
This will be the first time ever that a mod tells players not to read their role PMs.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: silverspawn on April 23, 2019, 04:46:27 pm
Let me guess:

You are Violet Baudelaire, a Town inventor. Each night, you may perform any action on any player (including actions that haven't been invented yet).

You are Klaus Baudelaire, an Informed Town. Each night, you may read in the mod QT. Here is a link.

You are Sunny Baudelaire, a Town Vigilante. Each night, you may bite: playername. The target player dies unless they are another Baudelaire.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: Uncleeurope on April 23, 2019, 05:21:17 pm
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..................................

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: Glooble on April 28, 2019, 08:21:28 am
bump.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: Uncleeurope on April 29, 2019, 04:42:16 am
...hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

f/ine.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: pubby on April 30, 2019, 12:57:19 pm
/in
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 03, 2019, 09:48:36 am
Hmm
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 03, 2019, 10:12:43 am
Hmm

Come on! Donít you want to be a Baudelaire with me??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: raerae on May 03, 2019, 01:03:49 pm
Hmm

It'll be a ton of fun!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 4 spots left)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 03, 2019, 10:52:34 pm
Alright alright /in :)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 1 spot left, save us!)
Post by: faust on May 04, 2019, 02:03:12 am
/hammer

I will be VLA for this weekend though, so if the role PM comes right away I may not be able to react within 24 hours.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 1 spot left, save us!)
Post by: LaLight on May 04, 2019, 07:32:42 am
/tag
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (sign-ups open, 1 spot left, save us!)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 04, 2019, 12:51:21 pm
/hammer

I will be VLA for this weekend though, so if the role PM comes right away I may not be able to react within 24 hours.

Now thatís a hammer I appreciate!!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Full, PMs some time this weekend)
Post by: Glooble on May 04, 2019, 01:00:28 pm
Might be a day or two before we open this up. We both have kinda busy weekends.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Full, PMs some time this weekend)
Post by: Glooble on May 05, 2019, 05:00:58 pm
Okay, all Role PMs should be out, so if you haven't gotten one, please PM me.

Thread Locked.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Full, PMs some time this weekend)
Post by: jotheonah on May 05, 2019, 08:45:18 pm
Day 1 will began at 5 pm forum time on Monday.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Full, PMs some time this weekend)
Post by: Glooble on May 05, 2019, 08:46:45 pm
Assuming all players have confirmed.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Full, PMs some time this weekend)
Post by: jotheonah on May 06, 2019, 12:06:42 pm
We are still waiting on one confirmation. Please make sure you have confirmed in your QT.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Full, PMs some time this weekend)
Post by: jotheonah on May 06, 2019, 04:09:37 pm
With one confirmation still missing I am afraid this probably won't begin as scheduled.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Night 0)
Post by: jotheonah on May 06, 2019, 10:22:22 pm
Last player has confirmed. Game start tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Night 0)
Post by: Galzria on May 06, 2019, 10:55:03 pm
/tag
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Night 0)
Post by: Glooble on May 07, 2019, 08:36:55 am
Although their story is extraordinary, Violet, Klaus, and Sunny Baudelaire were by and large ordinary children, with three major exceptions:

1. They were the heirs to a significant fortune, currently residing in the secure vault of Mortuary Money Management.
2. They were unusually smart and accomplished children, a word which here means their abilities in the fields of inventing, researching, and biting, respectively, were far above those of the average child their age.
3. They were about to become the Baudelaire orphans, as their parents were destined to die in a mysterious fire which would also permanently destroy the only home they had ever known.

I warned you it was a tragic tale.

Despite all my research, I cannot day for certain who started the Baudelaire mansion fire or why ó only that for you, players as you are in this mafia game, they are still at large. I urge you, dear readers, help me to locate these arsonists ó before any more grisly murders can be added to this series of unfortunate events.

Day 1 begins now! It will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th.

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players.

Not voting (13): A Drowned Kernel, shraeye, 2.71828....., MiX, Awaclus, raerae, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, ashersky, UncleEurope, pubby, mcmcsalot, faust


Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 08:42:26 am
Vote: ADK
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 08:48:41 am
Ah, another closed setup, RMM this time...I can already feel I'll misplay somewhere.

Vote: raerae before she does the same.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 07, 2019, 08:52:12 am
vote: pubby

I don't think I've played with you before

Hello everyone! Very excited for this flavor
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 07, 2019, 09:22:59 am
I've never played on f.ds before so yeah.

vote: ADK
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 09:25:05 am
I've never played on f.ds before so yeah.
Did you play elsewhere? How much?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 07, 2019, 09:29:35 am
Did you play elsewhere? How much?
Yeah I've played before on other forums and chat rooms. Maybe 10 games total? It's been years though.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 07, 2019, 09:32:27 am
Friendly mod reminder: As a new player to our community, please read and sign the civility pledge. (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7695.250)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 07, 2019, 09:49:10 am
Thanks.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 09:59:03 am
If I understand the setup correctly, there are 4 groups of people:

3 Baudelaires
3 scums
3 VFD people
4 random townies that don't belong to any group

I feel like something could be gained from a VFD vs non-VFD claim (where Baudelaires claim whatever). But maybe that's dangerous for like flavor reasons that I am not aware of.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 10:34:19 am
If I understand the setup correctly, there are 4 groups of people:

3 Baudelaires
3 scums
3 VFD people
4 random townies that don't belong to any group

I feel like something could be gained from a VFD vs non-VFD claim (where Baudelaires claim whatever). But maybe that's dangerous for like flavor reasons that I am not aware of.

What are you envisioning we would gain from this?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 10:37:13 am
If I understand the setup correctly, there are 4 groups of people:

3 Baudelaires
3 scums
3 VFD people
4 random townies that don't belong to any group

I feel like something could be gained from a VFD vs non-VFD claim (where Baudelaires claim whatever). But maybe that's dangerous for like flavor reasons that I am not aware of.

What are you envisioning we would gain from this?
PoE down the line. I guess it's irrelevant if VFD flips with your role, but otherwise now might be the only chance... let me check on that.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 07, 2019, 10:39:35 am
Hi friends! Good to see you all!

Welcome, pubby. What are your preferred pronouns? Whatís your time zone? Anything else we should know?

Iím a she, in central time, I believe animals should have human names so there is some ambiguity when speaking about loved ones, children, and cats....Scott, Brad, Jeremy, Declan...who can tell which us which?!?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 10:42:14 am
Iím a she, in central time, I believe animals should have human names so there is some ambiguity when speaking about loved ones, children, and cats....Scott, Brad, Jeremy, Declan...who can tell which us which?!?
Alternatively, you could give your children animal names!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 10:49:24 am
After thinking about it a little, I'm inclined to support faust's plan. Concretely, it would divide us into two groups of people:

 - people who are guaranteed to not be VFD town
 - people who are guaranteed to not be non-VFD town

It's not hard to see how this could be inconvenient for scum later on in the game.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 10:50:56 am
And "non-VFD" town is a term which here means "the random townies", i.e. non-VFD, non-Baudelaire town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 07, 2019, 10:55:20 am
If I understand the setup correctly, there are 4 groups of people:

3 Baudelaires
3 scums
3 VFD people
4 random townies that don't belong to any group

I feel like something could be gained from a VFD vs non-VFD claim (where Baudelaires claim whatever). But maybe that's dangerous for like flavor reasons that I am not aware of.

It does give scum better PoE for killing Baudelaires so I'm not a fan
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 11:00:22 am
If I understand the setup correctly, there are 4 groups of people:

3 Baudelaires
3 scums
3 VFD people
4 random townies that don't belong to any group

I feel like something could be gained from a VFD vs non-VFD claim (where Baudelaires claim whatever). But maybe that's dangerous for like flavor reasons that I am not aware of.

It does give scum better PoE for killing Baudelaires so I'm not a fan

It also gives town better PoE for protecting Baudelaires if we have any relevant roles.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 11:02:07 am
If I understand the setup correctly, there are 4 groups of people:

3 Baudelaires
3 scums
3 VFD people
4 random townies that don't belong to any group

I feel like something could be gained from a VFD vs non-VFD claim (where Baudelaires claim whatever). But maybe that's dangerous for like flavor reasons that I am not aware of.

It does give scum better PoE for killing Baudelaires so I'm not a fan

It also gives town better PoE for protecting Baudelaires if we have any relevant roles.
It is true however that scum PoE is better than town PoE there, because scum would know exactly how many Baudelaires are in each group, whereas town wouldn't.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Night 0)
Post by: jotheonah on May 07, 2019, 11:08:21 am
As all educated people know, it is important to be precise in one's use of language. For instance, if you were to tell your spouse or roommate that you were chatting online with your mafia friends, you would want to specify how the word "mafia" is being used, so that your spouse or roommate knows that you are playing a fictional game called mafia, rather than engaging in actual illicit activity via the Internet.

Similarly, if you were the moderator of a themed mafia game, you might want to be careful to specify how terms such as "VFD" and "volunteer" are used, lest you introduce the wrong kind of confusion into your player base. In that case, you might want to tell them explicitly that the VFD is an organization which has splintered, and that for the purposes of this game the term "VFD" will refer to both the Arsonist and Volunteer factions, while the term "volunteer" will refer only to the side of the schism concerned with protecting the Baudelaire children. You might even need to edit a previous flavor post to avoid any confusion on the subject.

As that hypothetical moderator, you might even want to go as far as to inform your players about what information will be revealed when someone in the game dies. But then again, you might not.

Vote Count 1.1

A Drowned Kernel (2): Awaclus, pubby
raerae (1): MiX
pubby (1): A Drowned Kernel

Not voting (13): shraeye, 2.71828....., raerae, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, ashersky, UncleEurope, mcmcsalot, faust

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players. Day 1 will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 11:13:09 am
I don't think this affects the plan at all, does it? Scum can still claim whatever.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 07, 2019, 11:19:34 am
I guess I'm confused. If scum fakes their role and the Baudelaires fake their role too, then that's 6 fake claims to 7 genuine ones. Is that actually helpful?

Welcome, pubby. What are your preferred pronouns? Whatís your time zone? Anything else we should know?
Hi WestCoastDidds. I'm a he in central US time.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 11:26:01 am
I think this plan is a bit...interesting? is probably the word for this.

Pros:
- Scum are locked into claiming VFD or not
- Baudelaire know where scum are
- At exactly 4 town / 3 VFD, everyone there is an IC (obviously counting dead ones that flipped)

Cons:
- Scum know where Baudelaire are
- VFD are presumely stronger PRs, given the flavour, so they'll get targetted first
- Baudelaire can't claim to know where scum are located, so they cannot share this information to town: comparitively, scum can NK freely based on the PoE, meaning it's stronger for them.

Overall I don't think it's worth it, unless we get the "exactly 4 town / 3 VFD" scenario, which honestly seems hard and PoEs Baudelaire like crazy. I might think of all the possible cases for the Baudelaire/scum spread and what it means, but meh, I don't like it.

PPE 1
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 07, 2019, 11:52:01 am
I am very confused.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 07, 2019, 01:17:36 pm
Hi.

Vote: mcmc

Oh, and me no likey claim, but it is quite possible that I don't understand the benefits fully.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 02:06:50 pm
- Baudelaire know where scum are
- Scum know where Baudelaire are

No they don't.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 02:16:36 pm
- Baudelaire know where scum are
- Scum know where Baudelaire are

No they don't.

Picture this: suppose 2 of each side claim VFD while the other claims non-VFD. For both of them, they see 5 non-VFD out of 4 and 5 VFD out of 3 that aren't part of their team. Ergo, there must be 1 of the other team in the non-VFD side and 2 of the other team in the VFD side. Thus, they know where each other are in the split. This is obviously true for other claim scenarios.


Why is raerae not here? :(
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 07, 2019, 02:17:35 pm
Hmm so I was thinking about this from a certain perspective, but MiX's post made me realize there's more to it.

Take the plan from the perspective of scum. It makes sense, that's for sure. Imagine this: if everyone role-claims then the 10 non-scum players are partitioned into two groups: those claiming to be volunteers, and those claiming to be non-volunteer townies. Knowing these partitions provides tons of valuable insight, even on the first night. For example: if 5 out of 10 people claim to be volunteers, then that means 2 Baudelaires are in that group of 5 (because there's supposed to be exactly 3 volunteers, not 5). If scum picked a player at random from the 5 players claiming to be volunteers, they'd have a 2/5 chance of picking a Baudelaire. This is better than the 3/10 chance they'd have picking someone at random if nobody role claimed. And these partitions are useful for the ENTIRE game - eventually you get some true deduction and can pinpoint roles more accurately. (plus, if the volunteers are assumed to be power roles, the odds of night killing someone important is 100%)

tl;dr: everyone claiming volunteer status strongly benefit scum

The Baudelaires can benefit in a similar manner to find scum, but it's weaker. Playing the odds isn't super smart as town (if you guess wrong, your town friends die!), but even worse, taking action requires going public and good luck doing that without first telling everyone you're a Baudelaire. Unless I'm missing something, the plan benefits the Baudelaires less than it benefits scum, though this could differ depending on their abilities.

Beyond that, the gained information doesn't seem useful to volunteers and non-volunteer townies. I mean, if you don't know anyone else then 6 out of 12 people are lying to you. Can you really act on that? And if you were a a power role would you really want to reveal yourself? Seems unlikely.

So here's a hot take: Faust, for suggesting the idea, could be Scum, maybe Baudelaire. I don't think he'd suggest the idea if he were otherwise.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 02:28:02 pm
pubby hitting all the points I hit, I guess I'm flattered. I agree with his exaggeration of the scum advantage relative to the Baudelaire advantage, especially the "playing the odds" part. Well, I was about to put forward a scenario where Baudelaire eventually claim (just 1) to out their info but that's actually not going to happen. For now:

Vote: faust, incredible plan here. The only problem is scum!faust probably doesn't do this, my read here is that faust has a PR that wants this, and that makes a little bit more sense as scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 02:39:49 pm
Picture this: suppose 2 of each side claim VFD while the other claims non-VFD. For both of them, they see 5 non-VFD out of 4 and 5 VFD out of 3 that aren't part of their team. Ergo, there must be 1 of the other team in the non-VFD side and 2 of the other team in the VFD side. Thus, they know where each other are in the split. This is obviously true for other claim scenarios.

Oh, I misunderstood what you meant.

tl;dr: everyone claiming volunteer status strongly benefit scum

I don't think this is true. Saying that it makes the probability of hitting Baudelaire go up from 33% to 40% is fallacious because that only works for the first Baudelaire they're trying to kill and only the last remaining Baudelaire makes a difference.

Vote: faust, incredible plan here. The only problem is scum!faust probably doesn't do this, my read here is that faust has a PR that wants this, and that makes a little bit more sense as scum.

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 07, 2019, 03:00:34 pm
Actually,

Volunteers should claim.

I am a Volunteer.

Baudelaires should not, under any circumstances, claim Volunteer.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 03:10:48 pm
Actually,

Volunteers should claim.

I am a Volunteer.

Baudelaires should not, under any circumstances, claim Volunteer.


Well, this is an interesting turn of events but I'm fine with it (and not a Volunteer).
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 03:15:10 pm
Actually,

Volunteers should claim.

I am a Volunteer.

Baudelaires should not, under any circumstances, claim Volunteer.


Interesting. I am not a Volunteer.

We'll get a bunch of ICs this way...plus I really hope ADK has a plan after this.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 03:35:15 pm
Actually,

Volunteers should claim.

I am a Volunteer.

Baudelaires should not, under any circumstances, claim Volunteer.


What is interesting is that two people have already gone along with this plan
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 03:36:04 pm
Also, I only just read the setup after skimming the thread and seeing all sorts of plans thrown around, so I am clearly town
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 03:36:51 pm
And I do understand enthusiasm for claiming, I just don't really know that it is the best thing to do here
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 03:39:53 pm
I will call Awaclus scum for following along with it

Vote: Awaclus

ADK can be town for being so convincing so fast

And I don't know what to make of MiX. RMM52 is making me doubt everything I every knew
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 03:42:14 pm
Well ADK practically claimed to have a PR about Volunteers...

There's also another angle: if we have absolute certainty that Baudelaires will claim town, it will either make all Volunteers IC (unlikely) or lock scum into claiming Volunteers, which is, at worst, better PoE than the other plan. There's also the fact scum won't kill the Volunteers (they're busy looking for Baudelaires) which means there's 3 good PRs that are safe from NKs. Overall it's a good deal, one that should be sweetened with whatever ADK has.

And I don't know what to make of MiX. RMM52 is making me doubt everything I every knew

Hehe, I'm glad I made you doubt everything! Although I'm not SK here so those tells won't work.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 07, 2019, 03:42:56 pm
Why is raerae not here? :(
She's been busy playing with bears.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 07, 2019, 03:44:26 pm
So here's a hot take: Faust, for suggesting the idea, could be Scum, maybe Baudelaire. I don't think he'd suggest the idea if he were otherwise.
I think that's a pretty cold take.  And one I disagree with.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 03:44:43 pm
Why is raerae not here? :(
She's been busy playing with bears.

Teddy, grizzly, brown, polar, .....?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 07, 2019, 03:49:04 pm
Well ADK practically claimed to have a PR about Volunteers...
Do you mean when he said "I am a volunteer"???

Or do you mean in one of his earlier posts?

Because you're either saying something totally obvious and useless.  Or totally wrong.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 03:51:41 pm
Well, why else would he say that plan in such a bossy way? I could be wrong, but...eh. He definitely seems to benefit from it in a special way, otherwise he could simply talk about it instead of commanding it.

Right, ADK?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 03:53:08 pm
Right, ADK?

Er, nevermind, if you didn't say this before you shouldn't answer this now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 03:55:14 pm
I will call Awaclus scum for following along with it

Vote: Awaclus

I was already advocating for a similar plan. ADK changed the proposal a little but it aligned with my agenda enough that I was willing to get behind it.

Right, ADK?

Er, nevermind, if you didn't say this before you shouldn't answer this now.

Good advice, he probably doesn't realize that on his own.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 03:56:41 pm
Right, ADK?

Er, nevermind, if you didn't say this before you shouldn't answer this now.

Good advice, he probably doesn't realize that on his own.

Did you ever believe, when writting this, that I, or anyone else, would miss the sarcasm?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 03:59:04 pm
Did you ever believe, when writting this, that I, or anyone else, would miss the sarcasm?

No.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 03:59:42 pm
And yeah, not a huge fan of claiming thinking about it.

3 scum. Perfect game we lynch all 3 and live happily ever after. Most unlikely.

If the B's (not trying to spell Baudelaires on my phone) don't claim volunteer, scum get a pool of 7 people to kill from (the three B's and 4 others)

I have to think that scum have some sort of way to narrow that even further as nights progress. Like maybe some sort of B/non-B investigative role.

Which means, if we claim V/non-V, our last day could very well be D4. Especially if we mislynch.

10 to lynch from, B's claim so we don't lynch them, but then immediately die (I assume)

Worst case lynching with best luck at night:
Mislynch, non-B dies
11 alive (3 V, 3 scum, 3 B, 2 other)
Mislynch, non-B dies
9 alive (3 V, 3 scum, 3 B)

Then we just lynch scum I guess. That's not so bad actually

Maybe I just converted to "claim"

I want more people to look at it though

I also did not do anything with scum claiming volunteer, which is likely to happen I would think after my stream of conscious numbers running
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 03:59:59 pm
Iím a she, in central time, I believe animals should have human names so there is some ambiguity when speaking about loved ones, children, and cats....Scott, Brad, Jeremy, Declan...who can tell which us which?!?
Alternatively, you could give your children animal names!

He has a point, Didds.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 04:01:26 pm
I will call Awaclus scum for following along with it

Vote: Awaclus

I was already advocating for a similar plan. ADK changed the proposal a little but it aligned with my agenda enough that I was willing to get behind it.

Right, ADK?

Er, nevermind, if you didn't say this before you shouldn't answer this now.

Good advice, he probably doesn't realize that on his own.

Yeah, and now that I look at it a little more closely myself I may be convinced

Vote: pubby for now
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 07, 2019, 04:05:32 pm
I guess I'm confused. If scum fakes their role and the Baudelaires fake their role too, then that's 6 fake claims to 7 genuine ones. Is that actually helpful?

Welcome, pubby. What are your preferred pronouns? Whatís your time zone? Anything else we should know?
Hi WestCoastDidds. I'm a he in central US time.

Town should never fake anything as a rule. That includes the B's in my opinion
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 04:05:38 pm
Why is raerae not here? :(
She's been busy playing with bears.

Teddy, grizzly, brown, polar, .....?

Brown, about three years old I think.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 04:10:25 pm
I'm not down with claiming, narrows the pool too much. Unless somebody can succinctly explain how the benefits outweigh the drawbacks I ain't sayin' nothin'.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 04:12:53 pm
There's also another angle: if we have absolute certainty that Baudelaires will claim town, it will either make all Volunteers IC (unlikely) or lock scum into claiming Volunteers, which is, at worst, better PoE than the other plan. There's also the fact scum won't kill the Volunteers (they're busy looking for Baudelaires) which means there's 3 good PRs that are safe from NKs. Overall it's a good deal, one that should be sweetened with whatever ADK has.
There is a bunch of speculation in this post that doesn't seem to have any basis. Especially framing the fact that we push the night kill away from people who are not Baudelaires as a good thing is ridiculous.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 04:15:42 pm
Vote: e
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 07, 2019, 04:17:29 pm
As for the plan, there's really no way to judge it. I think having the Baudelaires locked into some subgroup is pretty bad. At the very least I'll give ADK 24 hours to think about this, and if he still thinks it's a good idea then we can talk.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 04:25:11 pm
Yeah, it seems I overlooked the fact that scum gain a lot of PoE...but so does town! It essencially accelerates this game, whose value depends on the VFD PRs (and town PRs, but those aren't ICs so not as much). This is definitely a better plan, however.

10 people, 3 scum, 3 ICs... 7-3 split...okay, probabilities are probably next...or now?

7-3, mislynch, 6-3, 50% of a B flip, we wake up 5-3, mislynch, 4-3, 75% of a B flip, if yes then 3-3 in worse-than-LyLo odds, otherwise it's simply 3-3 LyLo. Hmm, just doing what E did. Might expand on this...

Well, or scum claims VFD and this is terrible. Lots of options here, really. Maybe too many for a successful plan? I'll look into it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 07, 2019, 04:32:32 pm
Why is raerae not here? :(
She's been busy playing with bears.

What does she play with the bears? Pinochle?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 07, 2019, 04:36:05 pm
Iím a she, in central time, I believe animals should have human names so there is some ambiguity when speaking about loved ones, children, and cats....Scott, Brad, Jeremy, Declan...who can tell which us which?!?
Alternatively, you could give your children animal names!

He has a point, Didds.

+1 faust
+1 raerae

This is a genius plan. The children have human names now, but they could easily find themselves with a super sticky nickname that they can carry through life.  I'm thinking Tiger and Boots...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 04:44:36 pm
This is a genius plan. The children have human names now, but they could easily find themselves with a super sticky nickname that they can carry through life.  I'm thinking Tiger and Boots...

Tiger and Boots sounds like a cool name. If a country can be called Trinidad and Tobago, why can't a human be Tiger and Boots?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 07, 2019, 04:44:55 pm
I'm going to stand next to faust and raerae for awhile....I am not sure that the benefits of claiming into smaller groups is super helpful since scum already know who is in their group.  Helping them narrow it further doesn't seem helpful to town. I can be convinced otherwise because thinking through information scenarios is not my strong suit (what is my strong suit, you ask? Cake), but for the time being I'm keeping my trapper shut and following the arguments that ADK, Awa, pubby, and MiX are making.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 07, 2019, 04:45:39 pm
This is a genius plan. The children have human names now, but they could easily find themselves with a super sticky nickname that they can carry through life.  I'm thinking Tiger and Boots...

Tiger and Boots sounds like a cool name. If a country can be called Trinidad and Tobago, why can't a human be Tiger and Boots?

An excellent point.
+1 Awaclus
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 04:46:09 pm
Why is raerae not here? :(
She's been busy playing with bears.

What does she play with the bears? Pinochle?

Hide and seek!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 07, 2019, 04:48:30 pm
I'm going to stand next to faust and raerae for awhile....I am not sure that the benefits of claiming into smaller groups is super helpful since scum already know who is in their group.  Helping them narrow it further doesn't seem helpful to town. I can be convinced otherwise because thinking through information scenarios is not my strong suit (what is my strong suit, you ask? Cake), but for the time being I'm keeping my trapper shut and following the arguments that ADK, Awa, pubby, and MiX are making.

Your strong suit is being town, acting town, making everyone believe you're town, actually turn out to be town (very important, you'll do this here, right?) and, most importantly, annoying me to god knows where. That last one lost me the game last time we played! It's pretty useful, even if I wish it didn't happen :P
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 05:01:07 pm
I'm going to stand next to faust and raerae for awhile....I am not sure that the benefits of claiming into smaller groups is super helpful since scum already know who is in their group.  Helping them narrow it further doesn't seem helpful to town. I can be convinced otherwise because thinking through information scenarios is not my strong suit (what is my strong suit, you ask? Cake), but for the time being I'm keeping my trapper shut and following the arguments that ADK, Awa, pubby, and MiX are making.

Your strong suit is being town, acting town, making everyone believe you're town, actually turn out to be town (very important, you'll do this here, right?) and, most importantly, annoying me to god knows where. That last one lost me the game last time we played! It's pretty useful, even if I wish it didn't happen :P

Naw, I'm pretty sure it's cake.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 07, 2019, 05:35:23 pm
I fail to see value in volunteer claiming.

The only setup specific public info is 3 scum out of 6 volunteers, 3 Masons of whom 1 needs to live, an assumption that Masons cannot also be Volunteers based mainly on flavor. No other public info is useful here.

Scum want to kill Masons. I donít think they want to kill them at night as badly as some make it seems, since just winning the normal way also works.  Yes, hitting the right three players to win on N3 is nice, but by no means necessary. A perfect scum vanilla game ends on D4 at 4v3 lylo anyway, so the flavor win mechanic is cutesy but not as horrendous as some might make it out to be, considering.

But, as mentioned, claiming anything at all by anyone only narrows down the NK pool for scum. This isnít just about Volunteers. Assuming only the three town volunteers claim, that gives three scum info about 3 of 10 townies. It gives townies info about 3 of 12 players. Assuming you are a full doctor for a hypothetical, you narrow your target pool to 8 players (after a lynch) while the kill pool is down to 6 (after a mislynch).

I think any and all claims benefit scum. Volunteers and Masons should claim at L-1, but otherwise I donít think anyone should claim without strong info to share.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 07, 2019, 06:15:06 pm
Eh, I can Vote: e

I have that power.

No one can stop me.

Except me... Vote: pubby
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 07, 2019, 07:06:21 pm
Hey Everyone.

So It has been a while since I read the books, but the main flavor flaw I find with the Volunteer Claim is in the story (if I remember correctly) they find bad guys in their mix. Kind of leads me to believe that skum would have fake claims so they could safely claim VFD.

If that is correct, then either...

1) Skum decides not to fake claim. That means 3 VFD claim, and the 3 arsonists know who one and other are. So out of the 13 players that narrows the field of finding the kiddos from 3/10 to 3/7.

2) Skum decides to fake claim. That means 6 VFD claim, and the 3 arsonists know who one and other are. So skum can push the angle to lynch the real VFD, but also put their necks out a little. Still in the end, gives them the same improved NK odds of finding the kiddos at 3/7 instead of 3/10.


From a VT PoV - if there are only 3 VFD claims, it would help isolate to finding skum to 3/9.

From a Kiddo PoV - if there are only 3 VFD claims, it would help isolate to finding skum to 3/6.

And then obviously, regardless of Town Alignment, if there were 6 VFD claims, it would give all non claimed town the isolation of 3/6.


Thoughts on that?
I actually think in the end I want to say the claim would benefit Town in the long run, as it would give the children a fantastic PoV advantage in scenario one, and all town a pretty decent one in scenario two.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 07, 2019, 07:07:34 pm
Also, if I were to attempt to guess the set up -

3 Children
3 Arsonists
3 VFD
1 Olaf SK
3 VTs (or some random town PR)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 07:17:06 pm
2) Skum decides to fake claim. That means 6 VFD claim, and the 3 arsonists know who one and other are. So skum can push the angle to lynch the real VFD, but also put their necks out a little. Still in the end, gives them the same improved NK odds of finding the kiddos at 3/7 instead of 3/10.

If we have a 3/6 chance of lynching scum and they have a 3/7 chance of killing Baudelaire and we get to go first, mathematically speaking we win. There's no way they're going to let this scenario happen.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 07, 2019, 07:18:10 pm
2) Skum decides to fake claim. That means 6 VFD claim, and the 3 arsonists know who one and other are. So skum can push the angle to lynch the real VFD, but also put their necks out a little. Still in the end, gives them the same improved NK odds of finding the kiddos at 3/7 instead of 3/10.

If we have a 3/6 chance of lynching scum and they have a 3/7 chance of killing Baudelaire and we get to go first, mathematically speaking we win. There's no way they're going to let this scenario happen.

I agree with you. I was just mapping out all options.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 07, 2019, 07:19:05 pm
2) Skum decides to fake claim. That means 6 VFD claim, and the 3 arsonists know who one and other are. So skum can push the angle to lynch the real VFD, but also put their necks out a little. Still in the end, gives them the same improved NK odds of finding the kiddos at 3/7 instead of 3/10.

If we have a 3/6 chance of lynching scum and they have a 3/7 chance of killing Baudelaire and we get to go first, mathematically speaking we win. There's no way they're going to let this scenario happen.

Also, it kind of just makes me like the plan more.
I agree with you. I was just mapping out all options.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 07, 2019, 07:33:43 pm
I sort of shot from the hip there

I feel stronger about my last line than the first; if we do a mass volunteer-not volunteer claim, Baudelaires need need need to not claim Volunteer, and I was willing to out myself to get that out there

I understand if people don't want to do the claim, even other Volunteers, but if you're willing to trust someone coming from the "is a volunteer" perspective, it could be very good

Also vote: ash, not in character to be so against a crazy claiming plan
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 07, 2019, 09:06:32 pm
Your strong suit is being town, acting town, making everyone believe you're town, actually turn out to be town (very important, you'll do this here, right?) and, most importantly, annoying me to god knows where. That last one lost me the game last time we played! It's pretty useful, even if I wish it didn't happen :P

Town, town, towny, town. But if youíre town, then my towniness shouldnít be annoying. Perhaps you could even find it amusing. I have zero ability to lie convincingly (this is why Debatepro and I canít play together. He suffers from the same condition.) Besides, games with me have way more extra information about people IRL. For example, Awaclus is way more charming to me than he sometimes is to others because he answers all of my silly questions (tarantulas!) and now could one day have kids named Tiger and Boots.

Also, I do make really good cake.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 07, 2019, 09:15:48 pm
Also, my middle name is Olaf.  But don't lynch me, ok?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 07, 2019, 09:18:49 pm
Also, if I were to attempt to guess the set up -

3 Children
3 Arsonists
3 VFD
1 Olaf SK
3 VTs (or some random town PR)

The setup post specifically says "the other four town players". Also, I would be surprised if they were all just VTs.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 09:19:40 pm
Also, my middle name is Olaf.  But don't lynch me, ok?

We watched that whole damn series.  I'm married to you.  We considering including that name in our child's name.  It took me until now to realize the correlation.  I am ashamed.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 07, 2019, 09:24:18 pm
Well that is a sequence of five of interesting facts.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 09:27:34 pm
Well that is a sequence of five of interesting facts.

It's funny how I don't even know you.

But, game talk real quick, you a solid yea or a nay on the claim game?  Or you feeling wishy washy today?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 07, 2019, 09:46:51 pm
Also, my middle name is Olaf.  But don't lynch me, ok?

We watched that whole damn series.  I'm married to you.  We considering including that name in our child's name.  It took me until now to realize the correlation.  I am ashamed.

In your defense, his middle name is probably not ďCount OlafĒ. Youíd have noticed that,
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 07, 2019, 09:52:52 pm
In your defense, his middle name is probably not ďCount OlafĒ. Youíd have noticed that,

But what if his first name is Count?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 07, 2019, 09:58:45 pm
Well that is a sequence of five of interesting facts.

It's funny how I don't even know you.

But, game talk real quick, you a solid yea or a nay on the claim game?  Or you feeling wishy washy today?
Honestly, I don't really care.  This is the "yes, it's the best; no, it's the worst; wait, your opinion is scummy; oh, no yours is; well I guess you're not scummy, but you're still wrong; well I'll vote you anyway; not if I vote you first" that everybody keeps circling back to on future days like it actually meant something. 

So I'm not nay, nor yay, nor wishy washy.  I'm aggressively against all sides in this debate.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 07, 2019, 10:33:23 pm
Well that is a sequence of five of interesting facts.

It's funny how I don't even know you.

But, game talk real quick, you a solid yea or a nay on the claim game?  Or you feeling wishy washy today?
Honestly, I don't really care.  This is the "yes, it's the best; no, it's the worst; wait, your opinion is scummy; oh, no yours is; well I guess you're not scummy, but you're still wrong; well I'll vote you anyway; not if I vote you first" that everybody keeps circling back to on future days like it actually meant something. 

So I'm not nay, nor yay, nor wishy washy.  I'm aggressively against all sides in this debate.

Cool.  So how do we move forward then?

Vote: shraeye?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 07, 2019, 10:34:35 pm
I'm just over here popping for joke-making and waiting the storm out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 07, 2019, 11:21:31 pm
Also, my middle name is Olaf.  But don't lynch me, ok?

But can you count?

Wait, what was your job again?

Arenít you so good at being a count that you teach other people how to count?

,í: |

Vote: Shraeye





(Vote: Pubby)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 08, 2019, 01:21:18 am
Also, if I were to attempt to guess the set up -

3 Children
3 Arsonists
3 VFD
1 Olaf SK
3 VTs (or some random town PR)

The setup post specifically says "the other four town players". Also, I would be surprised if they were all just VTs.
RMM means it's role mania, yeah? And that means 4 VTs is super unlikely?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 01:24:41 am
Also, if I were to attempt to guess the set up -

3 Children
3 Arsonists
3 VFD
1 Olaf SK
3 VTs (or some random town PR)

The setup post specifically says "the other four town players". Also, I would be surprised if they were all just VTs.
RMM means it's role mania, yeah? And that means 4 VTs is super unlikely?

Yeah also the set up does say 4 town so i guess that means no SK
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 02:16:29 am
I guess Swan opens every game with strange, convoluted, wrong theories regarding the setup? I fail to see how he forgot scum can claim 1 or 2 Volunteers, that's really the worst part about this plan.

I did some math, and even if we somehow lynched the scum!Volunteer D1, all scum needs to do is NK Baudelaire and they end up in an aproximately 30.55% winrate for town (barring PRs, so it should go higher). This wouldn't be so bad, but that's only if we get remarkably lucky D1, which is incredibly hard. Great, now I'm against the plan, should've thought about it. Hopefully the 2 claims help ADK's targetting.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 08, 2019, 03:17:02 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 04:04:03 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

So, no one should claim?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 04:04:47 am
I guess Swan opens every game with strange, convoluted, wrong theories regarding the setup? I fail to see how he forgot scum can claim 1 or 2 Volunteers, that's really the worst part about this plan.

I did some math, and even if we somehow lynched the scum!Volunteer D1, all scum needs to do is NK Baudelaire and they end up in an aproximately 30.55% winrate for town (barring PRs, so it should go higher). This wouldn't be so bad, but that's only if we get remarkably lucky D1, which is incredibly hard. Great, now I'm against the plan, should've thought about it. Hopefully the 2 claims help ADK's targetting.

I did not forget. I thought it through at the time, and upon re looking at it... yeah that is an option. Tbh it is actually probably the route they would take - specifically that only one would fake claim if they did.

With that, i am now also against the plan.

I do think the plan potentially has value - if one claims we have 25%, 2 we have 40% chance, 3 we have 50% chance.
Even at a 25% chance, it gives all town except the children a better than usual shot st finding skum.
But factoring in the isolation of the children for the NKs... yeah it probably isnít the best.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 04:05:36 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

Why should a VT claim mason at L1?
All that does is open up a CC from an actual Mason in a town v town situation.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 04:09:38 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

Why should a VT claim mason at L1?
All that does is open up a CC from an actual Mason in a town v town situation.

No mason should counterclaim ever, unless we're ahead (more Baudelaires than scum), and even then.

25% chance to nab scum is only slightly higher than what we do have, and since when does scum get lynched D1? Never, right?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 08, 2019, 04:26:01 am
A lot of people here seem strongly in the business of "let's tell scum how to play best". Here's a suggestion: Let's not.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 08, 2019, 04:34:49 am
Maybe people would enjoy a Vote: Awaclus?

If we have a 3/6 chance of lynching scum and they have a 3/7 chance of killing Baudelaire and we get to go first, mathematically speaking we win. There's no way they're going to let this scenario happen.
This is the most outrageous example of telling scum what to do. Add in that at that point he had already claimed non-Volunteer and thus had to signal his teammates to not follow suit.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 04:55:46 am
But it's so obviously true! Also I'm against all Awaclus lynches, last time we played I was really really happy he got lynched.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 08, 2019, 04:57:46 am
But it's so obviously true! Also I'm against all Awaclus lynches, last time we played I was really really happy he got lynched.
What if I told you you can be that happy again?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 08, 2019, 05:19:03 am
Itís amazing how easily attained true happiness can be.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 05:33:49 am
Maybe people would enjoy a Vote: Awaclus?

If we have a 3/6 chance of lynching scum and they have a 3/7 chance of killing Baudelaire and we get to go first, mathematically speaking we win. There's no way they're going to let this scenario happen.
This is the most outrageous example of telling scum what to do. Add in that at that point he had already claimed non-Volunteer and thus had to signal his teammates to not follow suit.

Bullshit. It's just really important that some form of the plan takes place, which is why I made a case for why the plan is better than DatSwan made it sound like.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 06:29:40 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 07:17:43 am
Last post on claiming for now: volunteers, I am perfectly ok with you just unilaterally claiming, if you feel that that's right. We don't actually need a consensus for this.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 07:59:09 am
Last post on claiming for now: volunteers, I am perfectly ok with you just unilaterally claiming, if you feel that that's right. We don't actually need a consensus for this.

Good morning, ADK! How does the volunteers claiming help town? It seems like folks have come to the conclusion theta claiming in no bueno, yes? Or no? Does it help you or us to know who your buddies are?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 08:09:43 am
Last post on claiming for now: volunteers, I am perfectly ok with you just unilaterally claiming, if you feel that that's right. We don't actually need a consensus for this.

Good morning, ADK! How does the volunteers claiming help town? It seems like folks have come to the conclusion theta claiming in no bueno, yes? Or no? Does it help you or us to know who your buddies are?

I don't want to reveal everything that I know about the subject but it helps town pretty substantially.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 08:15:56 am
Last post on claiming for now: volunteers, I am perfectly ok with you just unilaterally claiming, if you feel that that's right. We don't actually need a consensus for this.

Good morning, ADK! How does the volunteers claiming help town? It seems like folks have come to the conclusion theta claiming in no bueno, yes? Or no? Does it help you or us to know who your buddies are?

It helps me, I will say that much
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 08, 2019, 08:36:23 am
I don't want to reveal everything that I know about the subject but it helps town pretty substantially.
Ehhh I think you need to reveal more.

You already have one person claiming to be volunteer (ADK). Is that not enough for you? Like, I don't get why you need to know ALL the volunteers right this moment when that narrows the pool so much for scum.


Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 08:52:20 am
Last post on claiming for now: volunteers, I am perfectly ok with you just unilaterally claiming, if you feel that that's right. We don't actually need a consensus for this.

Good morning, ADK! How does the volunteers claiming help town? It seems like folks have come to the conclusion theta claiming in no bueno, yes? Or no? Does it help you or us to know who your buddies are?

To expand: in the scenario where we go through with the claim and we have three volunteer claims and 10 non-volunteer claims, town has 3 ICs, and the volunteers know who each other are. My role benefits from knowing who the other volunteers are, and I'm betting that theirs do too.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 08:52:38 am
I guess I lied when I said that was my last post about claiming, oh well
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 08:55:11 am
I guess I lied when I said that was my last post about claiming, oh well

In fairness, I asked
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 08:56:01 am
I don't want to reveal everything that I know about the subject but it helps town pretty substantially.
Ehhh I think you need to reveal more.

You already have one person claiming to be volunteer (ADK). Is that not enough for you? Like, I don't get why you need to know ALL the volunteers right this moment when that narrows the pool so much for scum.

Well, let's say I specifically want to target non-VFDs with my power, and all other things considered, it makes it worth it (even if some scums don't claim volunteer).
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:00:28 am
To expand: in the scenario where we go through with the claim and we have three volunteer claims and 10 non-volunteer claims, town has 3 ICs, and the volunteers know who each other are. My role benefits from knowing who the other volunteers are, and I'm betting that theirs do too.

Okay, that makes sense to me. So, not everyone needs to claim, but you'd like the Vs to speak up so that your role is enhanced? (Apologies if this is all obvious.  Again, strong suit is cake.) So, if the other volunteers have a similar need, they'll speak up? But none of this depends on anyone else claiming anything?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 08, 2019, 09:02:16 am
Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:03:15 am
This is such a different look for you, Awa... I am accustomed to you wanting town to reveal nothing ever, except when you are scum.  It's making me even-more-than-usual wary of you.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:04:02 am
Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.

In the books, the arsonists used to be VFD and then turned bad. So, kind of, yeah.

What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 08, 2019, 09:08:06 am
What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
I think it's a cover-up for him supporting a plan that would hurt town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 09:14:08 am
Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.

In the books, the arsonists used to be VFD and then turned bad. So, kind of, yeah.

Ah...I'm pretty sure VFD-affecting powers will work on scum...and scum probably have powers affecting VFD.

Vote: Didds for insisting on this issue, causing ADK and Awaclus to soft-claim. I would think town!Didds knows that she shouldn't push setup talk too much.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 09:24:18 am
Hmm...please forgive me Didds, you're not the one who pushed for claims, that was

Vote: pubby, can you tell us a bit about yourself? Experience, where you played, how you played, your meta, whatever group you played in's meta, things like that?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:27:37 am

Vote: Didds for insisting on this issue, causing ADK and Awaclus to soft-claim. I would think town!Didds knows that she shouldn't push setup talk too much.

They didn't need to soft claim.  They already actually claimed V and non-V.  I was asking why.

I know that you are already very good at thinking through how all of this works.  I need more information to understand. That's not scummy. It's novice.  And if the last time we went around about claiming taught you anything, it should be that when I am town I have LOTS of questions about things I don't quite grasp well enough.

PPE: Nevrmind
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:30:04 am
What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
I think it's a cover-up for him supporting a plan that would hurt town.

It's hard for me to come up with a pro-town reason for that kind of information...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 09:35:51 am
What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
I think it's a cover-up for him supporting a plan that would hurt town.

It's hard for me to come up with a pro-town reason for that kind of information...

I can think of some.

I'm townreading Awaclus, btw
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:40:55 am
I can think of some.

I'm townreading Awaclus, btw

Yeah? You don't find him a bit out of the ordinary?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 09:43:13 am
This is such a different look for you, Awa... I am accustomed to you wanting town to reveal nothing ever, except when you are scum.  It's making me even-more-than-usual wary of you.

That's a very surface level way of looking at it. I advocate for massclaim or pseudo massclaim plans all the time. It forces scum to say something concrete that might be possible to back up or contradict with verifiable facts, which is not true about reads and stuff. Especially when we do it early, we actually deny scum information, as it forces them to commit to a plan before they have had a chance to get that information.

In the Imperial Radch game for example, I was very reluctant to claim as scum and I delayed it for as long as I could. The claim was the main thing that I could have totally screwed up resulting in a loss for scum, and one of the main reasons why I dared to commit to the risky Anaander fakeclaim which turned out to work out great for us was that it was so late in the game and I had already gotten a ton of information that I could base that decision in.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 09:48:07 am
I can think of some.

I'm townreading Awaclus, btw

Yeah? You don't find him a bit out of the ordinary?

He's more active than usually but his posts are substantial which is an Awaclusian trait.

Also,

vote: WCD
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:51:49 am
Especially when we do it early, we actually deny scum information, as it forces them to commit to a plan before they have had a chance to get that information.

Ah, interesting. Thx
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 09:54:46 am
More a note for myself than anything else...days are somewhat shorter in this game.  Deadline is Sunday morning.

Where's mcmc??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 08, 2019, 10:08:02 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 10:20:47 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.

I'm not convinced that drawing NKs away from real masons is better than being able to counterclaim scum fakeclaims.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 10:22:33 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.

I understand your logic, but you should trust me when I say that you're wrong
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 10:39:04 am
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.

I understand your logic, but you should trust me when I say that you're wrong

ADK, which part is wrong?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 10:45:12 am
I would rather not elaborate at this point.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Night 0)
Post by: jotheonah on May 08, 2019, 10:45:50 am
The game of mafia is a game of strategic deception, which here means that winning the game requires carefully convincing others in the game that you are something you are not.

Luckily for Count Olaf, he and his henchmen were troupe of actors, which ought to have prepared them for the role. Unluckily for Count Olaf, he was a very poor actor, who had been called "bland", "unconvincing", and "hackneyed" by the Daily Punctilio. Nonetheless, he was able to fool a great many adults in the Baudelaires' life into giving him access to the children.

The game of mafia is also a game of social deduction, which here means that winning the game requires carefully determining, through social observation, which others in the game are claiming to be something they are not.

Luckily for the Baudelaires, their experiences with their series of ill-fated guardians had given them a good deal of experience with mysteries, which ought to have prepared them for the role. Unfortunately, some of the greatest mysteries, such as the nature of the VFD and the importance of the sugar bowl, have remained beyond their grasp.

Vote Count 1.2

A Drowned Kernel (1):pubby
pubby (3): 2.71828....., Uncleeurope, MiX
MiX (1): Awaclus
shraeye (1): raerae
Awaclus (1): faust
WestCoastDidds (1): A Drowned Kernel

Not voting (5): shraeye, WestCoastDidds, DatSwan, ashersky, mcmcsalot

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players. Day 1 will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 08, 2019, 10:50:39 am
I guess Swan opens every game with strange, convoluted, wrong theories regarding the setup? I fail to see how he forgot scum can claim 1 or 2 Volunteers, that's really the worst part about this plan.

I did some math, and even if we somehow lynched the scum!Volunteer D1, all scum needs to do is NK Baudelaire and they end up in an aproximately 30.55% winrate for town (barring PRs, so it should go higher). This wouldn't be so bad, but that's only if we get remarkably lucky D1, which is incredibly hard. Great, now I'm against the plan, should've thought about it. Hopefully the 2 claims help ADK's targetting.

This math doesn't help you scumhunt and only makes your posts look larger and more meaningful.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 10:53:03 am
I can't see in what scenario always claiming Baudelaire helps town. At all.

Vote: ash, pubby has enough heat...for now.

PPE 1: I guess, but given I calculated it while thinking about the plan I thought I should just give it. The exact number isn't that useful.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:02:46 pm
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.
That's a pretty strange way to word things.  But it's equivalent to "people shouldn't claim at L-1" which is a fine and reasonable position to take.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:05:34 pm
But it's so obviously true! Also I'm against all Awaclus lynches, last time we played I was really really happy he got lynched.

Aaaaand, we kick of another edition of shraeye doesn't understand MiX.


You are against ALL Awaclus lynches.....last time you played you were happy he was lynched...

So is that the REASON why you are against Awaclus lynches?  Why would past happiness cause present unwillingness to repeat the happiness-causing scenario?

Or were you against it last time as well, but happy about it regardless?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:07:00 pm
I don't want to reveal everything that I know about the subject but it helps town pretty substantially.
Ehhh I think you need to reveal more.

You already have one person claiming to be volunteer (ADK). Is that not enough for you? Like, I don't get why you need to know ALL the volunteers right this moment when that narrows the pool so much for scum.
No he doesn't.  What makes you think you know more than he does about what his correct action is?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 12:07:48 pm
But it's so obviously true! Also I'm against all Awaclus lynches, last time we played I was really really happy he got lynched.

Aaaaand, we kick of another edition of shraeye doesn't understand MiX.


You are against ALL Awaclus lynches.....last time you played you were happy he was lynched...

So is that the REASON why you are against Awaclus lynches?  Why would past happiness cause present unwillingness to repeat the happiness-causing scenario?

Or were you against it last time as well, but happy about it regardless?

Last time I was scum! I guess you needed that extra bit of information. I was really scared of Awaclus and I loved it when town gave me an opportunity to vote for him without actually expressing any real scumread. So, yeah, I was happy, but now I'm town, so I want to be happy the other way, which is keeping Awaclus alive and having him be a complete pain to scum, maybe himself included.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:08:31 pm
What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
I think it's a cover-up for him supporting a plan that would hurt town.
I think that sounds far-fetched.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:09:50 pm
Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.

In the books, the arsonists used to be VFD and then turned bad. So, kind of, yeah.

Ah...I'm pretty sure VFD-affecting powers will work on scum...and scum probably have powers affecting VFD.

Vote: Didds for insisting on this issue, causing ADK and Awaclus to soft-claim. I would think town!Didds knows that she shouldn't push setup talk too much.
100% disagree.

Didds is always interested in setup analysis, but doesn't do it well herself.  She's always interested in people explaining the setup to her.

ALSO, Didds in absolutely NO WAY caused ADK to soft-claim, because ADK straight-up claimed Volunteer on his own.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:13:41 pm
Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.

In the books, the arsonists used to be VFD and then turned bad. So, kind of, yeah.

Ah...I'm pretty sure VFD-affecting powers will work on scum...and scum probably have powers affecting VFD.

Vote: Didds for insisting on this issue, causing ADK and Awaclus to soft-claim. I would think town!Didds knows that she shouldn't push setup talk too much.
100% disagree.

Didds is always interested in setup analysis, but doesn't do it well herself.  She's always interested in people explaining the setup to her.

ALSO, Didds in absolutely NO WAY caused ADK to soft-claim, because ADK straight-up claimed Volunteer on his own.

aaaand, now that I'm totally caught up, I see that most of these points have already been addressed.  Except that Didds was simply "claiming" that this is her meta.  Consider her claim confirmed.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 12:15:06 pm
Didds is always interested in setup analysis, but doesn't do it well herself.  She's always interested in people explaining the setup to her.

This should absolutely be my new signature line.

Also, the reason why I suck at chess but am quite good at crossword puzzles and escape rooms. Thinking through if/then scenarios...ughhhhh
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:15:50 pm
But it's so obviously true! Also I'm against all Awaclus lynches, last time we played I was really really happy he got lynched.

Aaaaand, we kick of another edition of shraeye doesn't understand MiX.


You are against ALL Awaclus lynches.....last time you played you were happy he was lynched...

So is that the REASON why you are against Awaclus lynches?  Why would past happiness cause present unwillingness to repeat the happiness-causing scenario?

Or were you against it last time as well, but happy about it regardless?

Last time I was scum! I guess you needed that extra bit of information. I was really scared of Awaclus and I loved it when town gave me an opportunity to vote for him without actually expressing any real scumread. So, yeah, I was happy, but now I'm town, so I want to be happy the other way, which is keeping Awaclus alive and having him be a complete pain to scum, maybe himself included.
It is very important to include as many relevant bits of information as possible.  And to get to the heart of a matter.  Such as, why do assume Awaclus will be a pain to scum?  Why does this outweigh the possibility that he IS scum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 12:19:10 pm
Shraeye, what do you make of ADK's thoughts about the Vs claiming? and Asher's thoughts about everyone claim Baudelaire at L-1?

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 12:29:41 pm
But it's so obviously true! Also I'm against all Awaclus lynches, last time we played I was really really happy he got lynched.

Aaaaand, we kick of another edition of shraeye doesn't understand MiX.


You are against ALL Awaclus lynches.....last time you played you were happy he was lynched...

So is that the REASON why you are against Awaclus lynches?  Why would past happiness cause present unwillingness to repeat the happiness-causing scenario?

Or were you against it last time as well, but happy about it regardless?

Last time I was scum! I guess you needed that extra bit of information. I was really scared of Awaclus and I loved it when town gave me an opportunity to vote for him without actually expressing any real scumread. So, yeah, I was happy, but now I'm town, so I want to be happy the other way, which is keeping Awaclus alive and having him be a complete pain to scum, maybe himself included.

It is very important to include as many relevant bits of information as possible.  And to get to the heart of a matter.  Such as, why do assume Awaclus will be a pain to scum?  Why does this outweigh the possibility that he IS scum?

Well, I think Awaclus is someone who plays an extremely pro-town game, and I believe scum want him gone in all games. That's what I remember from the games I've read of him, and it's what happened in the game I played with him. His meta also means it's incredibly easy to make town push for his mislynch (somehow), so I'm here to say, well, I'm offering resistance. I did it before (for a bit, then I flipped on him because I was scum) and I'll do it again. Also faust's case on Awaclus is pretty weak, I'll need much, MUCH more to lynch Awaclus D1.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 12:33:55 pm
Shraeye, what do you make of ADK's thoughts about the Vs claiming? and Asher's thoughts about everyone claim Baudelaire at L-1?
Answering the question
Both seem like reasonable plans for them to propose, but that doesn't mean I agree with them.  As always, I will come to my own decision for my own reasons regarding claiming.

But the position that ADK is scummy because of what he says is silly.  The position that ash is scummy because of what he says is also silly. Neither of those two specific thoughts did anything to move my scum/town radar on those two players.

My surrounding thoughts:
ADK is towny and his Volunteer claim is totally believable.

I like asher's idea, but from a different perspective.  "Nobody claim" is an equivalent stance to asher's stance, and it's an idea that's run through my head in a "What if...?" sort of way.  f.ds plays the claim-game weird, so wanting to shake it up like this seems reasonable.  If this setup in particular makes it an even stronger stance than normal, then there's that as well.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 08, 2019, 01:10:31 pm
Also, the reason why I suck at chess but am quite good at crossword puzzles and escape rooms.
Also cake. Don't forget the cake!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 08, 2019, 01:13:17 pm
Well, I think Awaclus is someone who plays an extremely pro-town game, and I believe scum want him gone in all games. That's what I remember from the games I've read of him, and it's what happened in the game I played with him. His meta also means it's incredibly easy to make town push for his mislynch (somehow), so I'm here to say, well, I'm offering resistance. I did it before (for a bit, then I flipped on him because I was scum) and I'll do it again. Also faust's case on Awaclus is pretty weak, I'll need much, MUCH more to lynch Awaclus D1.
This is really framing it in a wrong light because I'm not voting Awaclus for being in his meta, I am very specifically voting him for going against it and offering up information and help to scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 01:24:00 pm
Well, I think Awaclus is someone who plays an extremely pro-town game, and I believe scum want him gone in all games. That's what I remember from the games I've read of him, and it's what happened in the game I played with him. His meta also means it's incredibly easy to make town push for his mislynch (somehow), so I'm here to say, well, I'm offering resistance. I did it before (for a bit, then I flipped on him because I was scum) and I'll do it again. Also faust's case on Awaclus is pretty weak, I'll need much, MUCH more to lynch Awaclus D1.
This is really framing it in a wrong light because I'm not voting Awaclus for being in his meta, I am very specifically voting him for going against it and offering up information and help to scum.

I'm not doing either of those things. You could say I helped scum by telling them something they would surely have figured out on their own anyway. Meh.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 01:26:08 pm
Well, I think Awaclus is someone who plays an extremely pro-town game, and I believe scum want him gone in all games. That's what I remember from the games I've read of him, and it's what happened in the game I played with him. His meta also means it's incredibly easy to make town push for his mislynch (somehow), so I'm here to say, well, I'm offering resistance. I did it before (for a bit, then I flipped on him because I was scum) and I'll do it again. Also faust's case on Awaclus is pretty weak, I'll need much, MUCH more to lynch Awaclus D1.
This is really framing it in a wrong light because I'm not voting Awaclus for being in his meta, I am very specifically voting him for going against it and offering up information and help to scum.

I agree with this. And I'm a bit confounded with ADK's remark that Awa's comments tend to be substantial.

PPE 1
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 08, 2019, 02:12:27 pm
No he doesn't.  What makes you think you know more than he does about what his correct action is?
Because I'll only reveal my volunteer status if there's a good reason to. If ADK or Awaclus need to know all the volunteers statuses then they'll have to explain why lest they won't get mine.

Right now, Awaclus has one claimed volunteer (ADK) and one claimed non-volunteer (MiX). If he has a single-target action then he doesn't need more information today and shouldn't be asking others to claim volunteer status until tomorrow. If he needs more volunteers, then again, I expect him to get persuasive or gain credibility.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 02:15:03 pm
Well, I actually don't need volunteers at all. It would be nice to get at least one non-volunteer that I'm not scumreading though.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 08, 2019, 02:21:15 pm

I am very curious about the sugar bowl.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 08, 2019, 02:54:56 pm
No he doesn't.  What makes you think you know more than he does about what his correct action is?
Because I'll only reveal my volunteer status if there's a good reason to. If ADK or Awaclus need to know all the volunteers statuses then they'll have to explain why lest they won't get mine.

Right now, Awaclus has one claimed volunteer (ADK) and one claimed non-volunteer (MiX). If he has a single-target action then he doesn't need more information today and shouldn't be asking others to claim volunteer status until tomorrow. If he needs more volunteers, then again, I expect him to get persuasive or gain credibility.

What qualifies as "good reason" to you?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 03:00:54 pm
Well, I think Awaclus is someone who plays an extremely pro-town game, and I believe scum want him gone in all games. That's what I remember from the games I've read of him, and it's what happened in the game I played with him. His meta also means it's incredibly easy to make town push for his mislynch (somehow), so I'm here to say, well, I'm offering resistance. I did it before (for a bit, then I flipped on him because I was scum) and I'll do it again. Also faust's case on Awaclus is pretty weak, I'll need much, MUCH more to lynch Awaclus D1.
This is really framing it in a wrong light because I'm not voting Awaclus for being in his meta, I am very specifically voting him for going against it and offering up information and help to scum.

I agree with this. And I'm a bit confounded with ADK's remark that Awa's comments tend to be substantial.

PPE 1

He doesn't say much, but what he says is almost always relevant.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 03:20:40 pm
Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.

In the books, the arsonists used to be VFD and then turned bad. So, kind of, yeah.

Ah...I'm pretty sure VFD-affecting powers will work on scum...and scum probably have powers affecting VFD.

Vote: Didds for insisting on this issue, causing ADK and Awaclus to soft-claim. I would think town!Didds knows that she shouldn't push setup talk too much.
100% disagree.

Didds is always interested in setup analysis, but doesn't do it well herself.  She's always interested in people explaining the setup to her.

ALSO, Didds in absolutely NO WAY caused ADK to soft-claim, because ADK straight-up claimed Volunteer on his own.

I agree with this to the extent that WCD prolonging the set up analysis is in no way skummy for them.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 03:36:36 pm
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 03:40:58 pm
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.

How are the claims meaningful at all if everyone claims the same thing, which is effectively the same as nobody claiming?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 03:41:17 pm
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.


Also important - this plan holds essentially the same value as being talked about and then executed as it does from not being talked about and then executed. But only at the preliminary stage. the points past this should probably remain silent.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 03:42:04 pm
For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there arenít players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.

How are the claims meaningful at all if everyone claims the same thing, which is effectively the same as nobody claiming?

That is the point - they are not meaningful. And please see my previous post from PPE.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 08, 2019, 03:43:16 pm
All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 08, 2019, 03:48:55 pm
All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

Well I mean the value of keeping the children alive is literally half our win con, so that is fairly important.
But outside of that, I am not going to attempt to convince you at this time.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 03:49:46 pm
All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 04:00:33 pm
No he doesn't.  What makes you think you know more than he does about what his correct action is?
Because I'll only reveal my volunteer status if there's a good reason to.

Me too.  But that's slightly different than saying "Awaclus needs to reveal more". 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 04:04:26 pm
100% disagree.

Didds is always interested in setup analysis, but doesn't do it well herself.  She's always interested in people explaining the setup to her.

ALSO, Didds in absolutely NO WAY caused ADK to soft-claim, because ADK straight-up claimed Volunteer on his own.

I agree with this to the extent that WCD prolonging the set up analysis is in no way skummy for them.
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That's the only extent to which I meant the post. 

I guess MiX also had a bit in there about powers. But I always boil his posts down to "main point" in my mind, so literally just jumped past the part where his internal thoughts about powers leaked out for no apparent reason.  I mental-filtered his post to be
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Didds is scummy for talking setup like she's doing
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 04:04:53 pm
Shoot.  Quote fail.  Hope that's parse-able
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 08, 2019, 04:07:00 pm
All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 04:12:18 pm
All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?

Well, if we were to claim what Baudelaire we are...then...maybe...something would change when it's the 4th person claiming? At least that's what ash and Swan seemed to hint at? But I still can't see how the plan is anything but "no one should claim at L-1" like shraeye said.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 08, 2019, 04:21:48 pm
All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?

Well, if we were to claim what Baudelaire we are...then...maybe...something would change when it's the 4th person claiming? At least that's what ash and Swan seemed to hint at? But I still can't see how the plan is anything but "no one should claim at L-1" like shraeye said.

Do you believe ADK's claim?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 08, 2019, 04:38:36 pm
All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?

Well, if we were to claim what Baudelaire we are...then...maybe...something would change when it's the 4th person claiming? At least that's what ash and Swan seemed to hint at? But I still can't see how the plan is anything but "no one should claim at L-1" like shraeye said.

Do you believe ADK's claim?

That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 07:06:39 pm
I'm changing my position. No more closing should happen at this point. And no one should do any more talking about who should and shouldn't claim what at L-1
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 08, 2019, 07:07:01 pm
Closing=claiming
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 08, 2019, 08:13:17 pm
I'm changing my position. No more closing should happen at this point. And no one should do any more talking about who should and shouldn't claim what at L-1
Yaaay!!

So, want to start on RVS finally?

vote: Space....are they even in this game?

Nope!  But DatSwan is

vote: DatSwan
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 08, 2019, 10:03:38 pm
That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?

Has he claimed something else and I missed it?

Because I felt like asking.  It's the only thing of substance that's happened this game and I figured if anybody would have a long, convoluted, scummy response it would be you.  You surprised me.  I'm interested to see how this plays out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 09, 2019, 03:11:56 am
I'm changing my position. No more closing should happen at this point. And no one should do any more talking about who should and shouldn't claim what at L-1
Yaaay!!

So, want to start on RVS finally?

vote: Space....are they even in this game?

Nope!  But DatSwan is

vote: DatSwan

Hey Shraeye!

vote: Shraeye
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 09, 2019, 08:54:08 am
Catching up now will post as I go but will try not to clutter.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 10:12:52 am
Anyone want to join me in voting for didds?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 10:14:00 am
Vote: Didds
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 09, 2019, 10:18:45 am
Anyone want to join me in voting for didds?

A terrible idea!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 09, 2019, 10:26:14 am
Anyone want to join me in voting for didds?

A terrible idea!

ADK, you especially should know I'm town, but I am not at all fond of the piling on.
Why stand next to a Kernal when you could stand next to a Didds? vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 10:30:35 am
ADK, you especially should know I'm town, but I am not at all fond of the piling on.

Why should he know that you're town?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 09, 2019, 10:44:00 am
Trying not to clutter so some single post thoughts as Iím going.

Adk is towny for his claim though Iím not sure itís a good idea.
Awaclus made me giggle.
Mix being towny thinking out loud.
I think I agree with raerae this plan is giving us icís while giving scum poe on the Bís. As the VFD are more likely to become ic via night action/organic claims I think the plan benefits scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 10:44:37 am
Vote: Didds

Do you believe you will ever say the reason for this vote? If so, when would it be ideal?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 09, 2019, 10:49:35 am
I actually strongly support the no one claim mason plan.

It means scum canít claim mason to force a counterclaim and it also means if a mason manages to claim something non mason and survive they are less likely to be night killed. There is more benefts here as well but I donít think they need to/should be explained.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 09, 2019, 10:51:39 am
ADK, you especially should know I'm town, but I am not at all fond of the piling on.

Why should he know that you're town?

We've been playing together quite a bit on Jimmmm's site and  it has become clear that I am easily found out when I am scum and that I am most myself when I am town. Which is what is happening here.  For example, I wouldn't bother with all of my questions to understand the claiming-game if I wasn't town.  If I wasn't town, I wouldn't care.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 10:53:38 am
Vote: Didds

Do you believe you will ever say the reason for this vote? If so, when would it be ideal?

That depends on a lot of things.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 09, 2019, 10:54:20 am
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 11:07:00 am
ADK, you especially should know I'm town, but I am not at all fond of the piling on.

Why should he know that you're town?

We've been playing together quite a bit on Jimmmm's site and  it has become clear that I am easily found out when I am scum and that I am most myself when I am town. Which is what is happening here.  For example, I wouldn't bother with all of my questions to understand the claiming-game if I wasn't town.  If I wasn't town, I wouldn't care.

You had me pretty well fooled in the matrix6 game. Also, I'm also wary the "I can't possibly emulate my town meta as scum!" argument
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 09, 2019, 11:07:33 am
I actually strongly support the no one claim mason plan.
Is there a noone claim Mason plan? I thought there was only an everyone claim Mason plan.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 11:07:44 am
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.

I like the thought but I feel like that's just an Eddie thing
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 11:08:12 am
I actually strongly support the no one claim mason plan.
Is there a noone claim Mason plan? I thought there was only an everyone claim Mason plan.

Any plan about who should or shouldn't claim Mason is bad
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 09, 2019, 11:19:26 am
At a small corner cafe, Mr. Poe looks up from his copy of the Daily Punctillio, which reads "ARSONISTS RESPONSIBLE FOR DEADLY FIRE STILL AT LARGE."

"Oh dear," he says to his wife, "I do hope those children are alright."

"Oh, they'll be fine dear," says Mrs. Poe. "You placed them with their cousin, didn't you?"

"I did," said Mr. Poe, "And now that he is legally their guardian I'm sure he has nothing but their best interests at heart."

"Why would you ever doubt that a legally appointed guardian would want to take care of three orphans and their enormous fortune?" asks an oddly accented stranger at the next table.

"You seem familiar," says Mr. Poe. "Do I know you?"

"I don't think we've ever met before," says the man in a completely different accent.

"What's your name?" asks Mrs. Poe.

The man glance over the menu. "Mr. ... Benedict." He says.


Voting Figure (Daily)

A Drowned Kernel (1):pubby
pubby (2): 2.71828....., Uncleeurope
shraeye (2): raerae, DatSwan
Awaclus (2): faust, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (2): A Drowned Kernel, Awaclus
ashersky (1):MiX
DatSwam: (1) shraeye
UncleEurope (1): mcmcsalot

Not voting (1): ashersky

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players. Day 1 will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th.


Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 09, 2019, 11:23:57 am
vote: Europe
That's not due for another 2 weeks.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 09, 2019, 11:24:48 am
I actually strongly support the no one claim mason plan.
Is there a noone claim Mason plan? I thought there was only an everyone claim Mason plan.

I think shraeye mentioned it. Itís the same theory as everyone claim but more flexible.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 09, 2019, 11:25:22 am
I would also vote swan, I donít like his shraeye vote.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 12:13:14 pm
Hmm...isn't No one claim Mason + Claiming at L-1 = faust's original plan? Which is even worse than the one ADK proposed? I don't get why mcmc likes it.

Can anyone look over ash? The way he talked about the Baudelaires seems to come from a scum angle, they're much more important than he makes them to be. Well, I'm probably exaggerating here, but he downplays this way too much. I also like the swan, but I think swan's just a very weird person that I feel I can read reasonably well.

That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?

Has he claimed something else and I missed it?

Because I felt like asking.  It's the only thing of substance that's happened this game and I figured if anybody would have a long, convoluted, scummy response it would be you.  You surprised me.  I'm interested to see how this plays out.

You are very interesting...the only thing off about this is that I can understand your thought process, which used to be something I could not do untill I probed around. Perhaps we are getting to know each other better and better?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 09, 2019, 12:39:15 pm
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.

I like the thought but I feel like that's just an Eddie thing

Ouch.

And I may as well say this here, but I will be pretty empty of actual content for awhile as I am going to be prepping for, then subsequently enjoying some online friend people who are visiting this week. I imagine I should be able to do something around Saturday at least. (I hope).

Vote: raerae for now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 01:04:18 pm
Oh snap

vote: awaclus
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 01:09:48 pm
Well maybe not

unvote
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 09, 2019, 01:10:23 pm
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.

I like the thought but I feel like that's just an Eddie thing

Ouch.

And I may as well say this here, but I will be pretty empty of actual content for awhile as I am going to be prepping for, then subsequently enjoying some online friend people who are visiting this week. I imagine I should be able to do something around Saturday at least. (I hope).

Vote: raerae for now.

unvote

Thatís a pretty towny response, why raerae?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 01:12:36 pm
Awaclus, do you still believe that a mass volunteer claim would be good?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 09, 2019, 01:19:51 pm
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.

I like the thought but I feel like that's just an Eddie thing

Ouch.

And I may as well say this here, but I will be pretty empty of actual content for awhile as I am going to be prepping for, then subsequently enjoying some online friend people who are visiting this week. I imagine I should be able to do something around Saturday at least. (I hope).

Vote: raerae for now.

unvote

Thatís a pretty towny response, why raerae?

The usual earnestness and extreme amount of question asking has been replaced with a surprising amount of passivity.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 09, 2019, 01:30:05 pm
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.

I like the thought but I feel like that's just an Eddie thing

Ouch.

And I may as well say this here, but I will be pretty empty of actual content for awhile as I am going to be prepping for, then subsequently enjoying some online friend people who are visiting this week. I imagine I should be able to do something around Saturday at least. (I hope).

Vote: raerae for now.

unvote

Thatís a pretty towny response, why raerae?

The usual earnestness and extreme amount of question asking has been replaced with a surprising amount of passivity.

I'll also note that I don't like how easily you gave up there.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 01:32:36 pm
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.

I like the thought but I feel like that's just an Eddie thing

Ouch.

And I may as well say this here, but I will be pretty empty of actual content for awhile as I am going to be prepping for, then subsequently enjoying some online friend people who are visiting this week. I imagine I should be able to do something around Saturday at least. (I hope).

Vote: raerae for now.

unvote

Thatís a pretty towny response, why raerae?

The usual earnestness and extreme amount of question asking has been replaced with a surprising amount of passivity.

Where has she been passive? Not like I reread her, just want to see what posts you think are scummy from raerae.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 09, 2019, 01:34:52 pm
That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?

Has he claimed something else and I missed it?

Because I felt like asking.  It's the only thing of substance that's happened this game and I figured if anybody would have a long, convoluted, scummy response it would be you.  You surprised me.  I'm interested to see how this plays out.

This post felt weird to me.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 01:38:11 pm
That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?

Has he claimed something else and I missed it?

Because I felt like asking.  It's the only thing of substance that's happened this game and I figured if anybody would have a long, convoluted, scummy response it would be you.  You surprised me.  I'm interested to see how this plays out.

This post felt weird to me.

How is it passive, though?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 09, 2019, 01:38:50 pm
Vote: e
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 09, 2019, 01:51:32 pm
How is it passive, though?

That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?

Has he claimed something else and I missed it?

Because I felt like asking.  It's the only thing of substance that's happened this game and I figured if anybody would have a long, convoluted, scummy response it would be you.  You surprised me.  I'm interested to see how this plays out.

Bolding mine.

Seems like something out of place for raerae.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 01:56:58 pm
Awaclus, do you still believe that a mass volunteer claim would be good?

Yeah, I do still think the overall benefits and downsides would add up to better than nothing. What I don't like about the current situation is that scum knows who I'm going to target unless more people claim non-volunteer, and even if they don't hopefully have any idea what my power does, that information might come in handier for them than I would like.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 01:59:27 pm
Awaclus, do you still believe that a mass volunteer claim would be good?

Yeah, I do still think the overall benefits and downsides would add up to better than nothing. What I don't like about the current situation is that scum knows who I'm going to target unless more people claim non-volunteer, and even if they don't hopefully have any idea what my power does, that information might come in handier for them than I would like.

What I don't like is that you just told everyone who you're going to target. Like, right now.

Vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 02:02:07 pm
Awaclus, do you still believe that a mass volunteer claim would be good?

Yeah, I do still think the overall benefits and downsides would add up to better than nothing. What I don't like about the current situation is that scum knows who I'm going to target unless more people claim non-volunteer, and even if they don't hopefully have any idea what my power does, that information might come in handier for them than I would like.

What I don't like is that you just told everyone who you're going to target. Like, right now.

Vote: Awaclus

I don't expect scum to be a bunch of idiots so I just told everyone nothing they didn't already know.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 09, 2019, 02:05:00 pm
Awaclus - is there a way down the road we are going to be able to determine you are not skum trying to get a skummy plan off?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 02:07:14 pm
Awaclus - is there a way down the road we are going to be able to determine you are not skum trying to get a skummy plan off?

Yes.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 02:08:32 pm
Vote: e

Extra-delay OMGUS? What's this about?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 02:09:02 pm
Also I'm back to vote: WCD
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 09, 2019, 03:05:43 pm
Vote: e

Extra-delay OMGUS? What's this about?
That, and he hasn't said much besides semi-joking he's town, and semi-joking ADK is town. I'm scumreading it, though I'm partially voting because I don't see anyone better (worse?) to vote for.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 09, 2019, 04:03:52 pm
On a scumhinting note, vote: Europe I think he has posted a decent amount but not really said much of anything.

I like the thought but I feel like that's just an Eddie thing

Ouch.

And I may as well say this here, but I will be pretty empty of actual content for awhile as I am going to be prepping for, then subsequently enjoying some online friend people who are visiting this week. I imagine I should be able to do something around Saturday at least. (I hope).

Vote: raerae for now.

You know I hate it when you do that.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 09, 2019, 04:08:17 pm
Awaclus, do you still believe that a mass volunteer claim would be good?

Yeah, I do still think the overall benefits and downsides would add up to better than nothing. What I don't like about the current situation is that scum knows who I'm going to target unless more people claim non-volunteer, and even if they don't hopefully have any idea what my power does, that information might come in handier for them than I would like.

What I don't like is that you just told everyone who you're going to target. Like, right now.

Vote: Awaclus

Why should you care who he targets with the power nobody but him knows he has?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 09, 2019, 04:09:36 pm
Vote: e

Extra-delay OMGUS? What's this about?
That, and he hasn't said much besides semi-joking he's town, and semi-joking ADK is town. I'm scumreading it, though I'm partially voting because I don't see anyone better (worse?) to vote for.

How do you feel about awaclus?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 04:11:17 pm
Awaclus, do you still believe that a mass volunteer claim would be good?

Yeah, I do still think the overall benefits and downsides would add up to better than nothing. What I don't like about the current situation is that scum knows who I'm going to target unless more people claim non-volunteer, and even if they don't hopefully have any idea what my power does, that information might come in handier for them than I would like.

What I don't like is that you just told everyone who you're going to target. Like, right now.

Vote: Awaclus

Why should you care who he targets with the power nobody but him knows he has?

Mostly because he does, yet he just said who he was targetting with no ambiguity for no reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 04:19:01 pm
Mostly because he does, yet he just said who he was targetting with no ambiguity for no reason whatsoever.

There was no ambiguity about it to begin with.

Well, let's say I specifically want to target non-VFDs with my power, and all other things considered, it makes it worth it (even if some scums don't claim volunteer).

If you agree with me that this is a problem, blame the people who aren't claiming non-VFD. I'm doing my best to convince them otherwise.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 04:25:03 pm
Mostly because he does, yet he just said who he was targetting with no ambiguity for no reason whatsoever.

There was no ambiguity about it to begin with.

Well, let's say I specifically want to target non-VFDs with my power, and all other things considered, it makes it worth it (even if some scums don't claim volunteer).

If you agree with me that this is a problem, blame the people who aren't claiming non-VFD. I'm doing my best to convince them otherwise.

Hmm...okay. That's...okay.

Vote: ash
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 09, 2019, 04:57:32 pm
How do you feel about awaclus?
He's my #2 vote.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 09, 2019, 05:08:04 pm
Awaclus, do you still believe that a mass volunteer claim would be good?

Yeah, I do still think the overall benefits and downsides would add up to better than nothing. What I don't like about the current situation is that scum knows who I'm going to target unless more people claim non-volunteer, and even if they don't hopefully have any idea what my power does, that information might come in handier for them than I would like.

What I don't like is that you just told everyone who you're going to target. Like, right now.

Vote: Awaclus

Why should you care who he targets with the power nobody but him knows he has?

Mostly because he does, yet he just said who he was targetting with no ambiguity for no reason whatsoever.

I still don't understand why this a bad thing or why you find it so offensive.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 05:19:34 pm
Because it felt like he was giving more information than he needed to and than he already had. But then I realized something and I stopped voting for him.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 09, 2019, 05:30:02 pm
Because it felt like he was giving more information than he needed to and than he already had. But then I realized something and I stopped voting for him.

But why are you faulting somebody for giving the information they decided is important? And what is this magical "something" you realized? I don't understand why you scumread him for giving information. What, specifically, is scummy about that?

See, I think you're reaching to find something scummy, I think you got called out and backed off. So, if that isn't the case, please explain your logic, if it is then you can just about you're school and we can close out this day easy peasy.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 05:40:20 pm
I realized that, from his perspective, since he knows his role, he thought he gave more information than he did. That's not scummy, in fact, that makes perfect sense from a town!Awaclus perspective. So I backed off.

I guess last time you thought I was scummy for backing off a case you were right, so I understand your pressure here.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 05:44:58 pm
I realized that, from his perspective, since he knows his role, he thought he gave more information than he did.

What is this information? First I revealed the fact that I'm going to be targeting a non-VFD due to pressure from pubby. Later I said that scum knows who I'm going to target, which was true.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 05:46:36 pm
In other news, FoS on everyone not claiming non-VFD.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 09, 2019, 05:48:54 pm
Want to target and will target are different. I understand that from your perspective they're the same, but not from mine. Anyway this makes perfect sense from a town perspective, it's just something I wasn't thinking about when I voted for you since I don't know your role.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 09, 2019, 05:53:08 pm
Want to target and will target are different. I understand that from your perspective they're the same

From scum's perspective they're also the same. No scum team ever is going to read "I want to target MiX" and think "oh I'm sure he means he's not going to target MiX, let's decide our night actions around the knowledge that he's not going to target MiX".
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 09, 2019, 10:53:57 pm
I actually strongly support the no one claim mason plan.
Is there a noone claim Mason plan? I thought there was only an everyone claim Mason plan.

I think shraeye mentioned it. Itís the same theory as everyone claim but more flexible.

No, my plan was no claiming at all.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 09, 2019, 10:58:14 pm
That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?

Has he claimed something else and I missed it?

Because I felt like asking.  It's the only thing of substance that's happened this game and I figured if anybody would have a long, convoluted, scummy response it would be you.  You surprised me.  I'm interested to see how this plays out.

This post felt weird to me.

No it doont
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 09, 2019, 11:06:34 pm
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 09, 2019, 11:08:17 pm
Hey, Mix.  What happened to the "don't vote for Awa" plan?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 09, 2019, 11:20:41 pm
I see only two options. 

Mix is scum who realized he was acting too brazenly and is now scaling it back as awkwardly as possible.

Or, Mix and Awaclus are scum partners, Mix thought he was cleverly making up a fight with his partner, and Awaclus is very sad about his partners decision.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 09, 2019, 11:30:14 pm
Oooohhhhh, how long before somebody calls Team Shraerae??  Can I do it?  I'm doing it.  Done.  Beatcha'll.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 09, 2019, 11:31:16 pm
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 09, 2019, 11:35:55 pm
Uh oh, shraerae comin' for ya!  Bing bong!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 10, 2019, 12:14:09 am
vote: shraerae
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 10, 2019, 02:31:46 am
Vote: e

Extra-delay OMGUS? What's this about?
That, and he hasn't said much besides semi-joking he's town, and semi-joking ADK is town. I'm scumreading it, though I'm partially voting because I don't see anyone better (worse?) to vote for.

Semi-joking? Where was that?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 10, 2019, 02:32:17 am
Any it has been a busy few days. So I haven't posted much
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 10, 2019, 02:40:16 am
Vote: shraeye
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 10, 2019, 03:10:11 am
vote: ADK

First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team. No townies followed, he warned off his teammates. Enough time has passed to convince me that was the likely ploy.

I like the players jumping up and down waving their hands to draw attention away for possible partners, but thatís just an early hunch and itís too early to call.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 10, 2019, 05:55:11 am
Hey, Mix.  What happened to the "don't vote for Awa" plan?

It ended when I thought he did a non-Awaclus thing and restarted when he did an Awaclus thing. I still like to push Awaclus, even if I don't want to lynch him.

vote: ADK

First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team. No townies followed, he warned off his teammates. Enough time has passed to convince me that was the likely ploy.

I like the players jumping up and down waving their hands to draw attention away for possible partners, but thatís just an early hunch and itís too early to call.

Can I double vote ash? This feels like an excuse to vote for someone who's almost always town here.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 10, 2019, 08:42:10 am
Iím a little confused, MiX. I thought you didnít like it when people tried to get other folks to claim. But youíre cool with it when Awaclus does it? Isnít everyone almost always town, just by virtue of the numbers?

I see why Shraeye and Rae are finding you scummy, but maybe there is something Iím missing.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 10, 2019, 09:01:05 am
Iím a little confused, MiX. I thought you didnít like it when people tried to get other folks to claim. But youíre cool with it when Awaclus does it? Isnít everyone almost always town, just by virtue of the numbers?

I see why Shraeye and Rae are finding you scummy, but maybe there is something Iím missing.

I also claimed... I understand why Awaclus did: same reason as me, plus apparently he also wanted others to claim. I think ADK's townier than the average person here, and I don't like ash's scumread on him: the reasons he stated for his scumread are exactly the reasons for my townread on ADK.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 10, 2019, 09:44:00 am
First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team.

What are you basing this belief on?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 10, 2019, 10:18:31 am
First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team.

What are you basing this belief on?
Yeah, that seems like a very unfounded claim to me.  Back it up, ash.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 10, 2019, 10:40:47 am
vote: shraeye

But the question still stands
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 10, 2019, 11:00:58 am
Those of you familiar with the chronicle of the Baudelaire children may be tempted to wonder when, in the timeline, this game is set. I myself am intimately familiar with that timeline, as I have it laid out on a bulletin board in my apartment, cross-referenced with newspaper clippings, artifacts, and any other evidence I've been able to discover of their whereabouts and journey.

But there are times when a timeline is not a useful tool. Imagine, if you will that a tornado, or a rhinoceros, or, if you prefer, a stampeding mob intent on lynching someone they believe to be a nefarious arsonist, has blown through my apartment, scattering all of the carefully curated timeline moments around my apartment floor. That floor is the setting of this game, and for that reason the flavor may seem jarring, and your roles may be taken from any part of the narrative without becoming a revealing clue.

At the moment, insofar as there is a moment, the three Baudelaire children are huddled in a single bed in an attic room, wondering whether it is possible for them to escape Count Olaf's clutches, and where they would even go if they could. I cannot help them, dear readers. But strangely, you can, if you can pull off that rarest of mafia accomplishments: a day 1 scum lynch.


Voting Figure (Daily) 1.3

pubby (1): 2.71828.....
shraeye (3): DatSwan, faust, A Drowned Kernel
Awaclus (1): WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (1): Awaclus
raerae (1): Uncleeurope
2.71828..... (1): pubby
ashersky (1): MiX
MiX (2): shraeye, raerae
A Drowned Kernel (1): ashersky

Not voting (1): mcmcsalot

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players. Day 1 will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 10, 2019, 11:28:56 am
Vote: shraeye
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 10, 2019, 11:50:31 am
vote: shraeye

But the question still stands

Bad idea, broski.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 10, 2019, 01:45:23 pm
vote: ADK

First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team. No townies followed, he warned off his teammates. Enough time has passed to convince me that was the likely ploy.

I like the players jumping up and down waving their hands to draw attention away for possible partners, but thatís just an early hunch and itís too early to call.

Can I double vote ash? This feels like an excuse to vote for someone who's almost always town here.
That's just ash being ash. I don't think it's alignment indicative.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 10, 2019, 05:53:40 pm
First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team.

What are you basing this belief on?

Itís based on my analysis of what I think scum would do in this setup based on the public knowledge available and the actions that have been taken so far today. Not knowing anything else about scum, I canít take into account any other factors from their side, so this is a best guess.

It is not based on the flavor, as I know nothing of it other than it seems like a prequel to How I Met Your Mother? 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 10, 2019, 11:17:18 pm
First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team.

What are you basing this belief on?

Itís based on my analysis of what I think scum would do in this setup based on the public knowledge available and the actions that have been taken so far today. Not knowing anything else about scum, I canít take into account any other factors from their side, so this is a best guess.

It is not based on the flavor, as I know nothing of it other than it seems like a prequel to How I Met Your Mother?
Would do or should do?  I doubt they would, regardless of your analysis of the setup
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:13:08 am
I have a volleyball tournament today, will try to read/catch up between games
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 11, 2019, 02:15:00 am
First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team.

What are you basing this belief on?

Itís based on my analysis of what I think scum would do in this setup based on the public knowledge available and the actions that have been taken so far today. Not knowing anything else about scum, I canít take into account any other factors from their side, so this is a best guess.

It is not based on the flavor, as I know nothing of it other than it seems like a prequel to How I Met Your Mother?
Would do or should do?  I doubt they would, regardless of your analysis of the setup

Would or should isnít relevant to me, since it occurred. Mafia often execute plans that are not universally accepted as ďgood.Ē

If the scum team decided that drawing out claims to POE Masons was good play, I think they do it the way ADK did. I think he did it well, and I applaud the effort. If I was on his team, Iíd know we made the right call on who to run it. 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 07:30:32 am
I have a volleyball tournament today, will try to read/catch up between games

Are you playing or watching? I hope itís awesome!

Iím at graduation today, so Iíll have no time, then two solid hours, then no time.  Deadline is tomorrow morning....
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 07:34:46 am
I have a volleyball tournament today, will try to read/catch up between games

Are you playing or watching? I hope itís awesome!

Iím at graduation today, so Iíll have no time, then two solid hours, then no time.  Deadline is tomorrow morning....

Deadline's already tomorrow??? There's like no wagons! Who has most votes, shraeye? I'll have to reread him, but so far he seemed towny. Can't really read sharaeye though...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 07:44:55 am
I have a volleyball tournament today, will try to read/catch up between games

Are you playing or watching? I hope itís awesome!

Iím at graduation today, so Iíll have no time, then two solid hours, then no time.  Deadline is tomorrow morning....

Deadline's already tomorrow??? There's like no wagons! Who has most votes, shraeye? I'll have to reread him, but so far he seemed towny. Can't really read sharaeye though...

Yes! 5-day days. I think Shraeye is town. He hasnít done anything scummy and there are no good reasons for his votes. Check out the folks on him, though....  I also think Asher is making some sense. I believed ADK from ten outset, but I hadnít thought about scum needing a plan. I also donít like the folks ADK has been voting for (ie, WCD and Shraeye).
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 11, 2019, 07:53:31 am
5-day days.

Based.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 08:55:28 am
There's only 1 good vote on shraeye...ew, everyone's still carrying over from RVS? I still like my ash case and right now that's the best one I see so far. I could be convinced to a shraeye lynch, but...it would take a lot of effort? I mean, I doubt there's a good case on him enough for my vote, but as I said there's a vote with good explanation so maybe he's scummy enough? Eh.

vote: ADK

First Volunteer claim is highly likely to come from the mafia team. No townies followed, he warned off his teammates. Enough time has passed to convince me that was the likely ploy.

I like the players jumping up and down waving their hands to draw attention away for possible partners, but thatís just an early hunch and itís too early to call.

Can I double vote ash? This feels like an excuse to vote for someone who's almost always town here.
That's just ash being ash. I don't think it's alignment indicative.

Is ash always like this? Seems a bit similar to RMM52 ash, where he was scum, although here he's not lurking like crazy. I'll have to reread a town game of him to be sure.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 11, 2019, 09:00:25 am
@ash

Maybe it's only fair I explain myself a little further, since this clearly isn't going to happen-

If we had gone through with the claiming, and any scum had fakeclaimed volunteer, the real volunteers would have been able to out them immediately.

Regarding the lynch: I like my vote where it is. Would lynch today: shraeye, raerae, WCD, ash
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 09:06:08 am


Would or should isnít relevant to me, since it occurred. Mafia often execute plans that are not universally accepted as ďgood.Ē

If the scum team decided that drawing out claims to POE Masons was good play, I think they do it the way ADK did. I think he did it well, and I applaud the effort. If I was on his team, Iíd know we made the right call on who to run it.

No, the answer to that question is 100% relevant.  To brush aside that question with "because mafia did it this time" is putting the cart 2 miles before the horse.

Saying "mafia did it this game" is arguing that they "would do it".  And that seems to be based on your analysis that says they "should do it".  But the link between should do and would do it not automatic.  If you aren't willing to fill in that gap, then you are literally jumping to conclusions.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 09:10:49 am
Vote: DatSwan

Time to double down or get off the RVS pot.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 09:12:18 am
I'm getting downer and downer with ash.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 09:15:21 am
@ash

Maybe it's only fair I explain myself a little further, since this clearly isn't going to happen-

If we had gone through with the claiming, and any scum had fakeclaimed volunteer, the real volunteers would have been able to out them immediately.

Regarding the lynch: I like my vote where it is. Would lynch today: shraeye, raerae, WCD, ash

Bro, two of those are a terrible call. Didds is a lazy lunch. Ash seems acceptable.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 09:18:56 am
THen let's ash it up.

vote: ash
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 09:20:01 am
Definitely agree with "Didds is lazy".

Hey cool people are sheeping me!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 09:22:14 am
Definitely agree with "Didds is lazy".

Hey cool people are sheeping me!

Not sheeping if we actually have reasons for it. Terminology is important.

Vote: Ash
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 09:32:01 am
5-day days.

Based.

??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 11, 2019, 09:32:11 am
I am decidedly less enthusiastic about voting for ash now
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 09:33:45 am
Definitely agree with "Didds is lazy".

Hey cool people are sheeping me!

Iím a lazy lynch. Iím not lazy! :)

Vote: Ash Iím going to leave this here in case I get busier than I anticipate  with the graduation hoo-hah
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 11, 2019, 09:36:06 am
These votes for ash are all terrible
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 09:52:20 am
Definitely agree with "Didds is lazy".

Hey cool people are sheeping me!

Iím a lazy lynch. Iím not lazy! :)

Vote: Ash Iím going to leave this here in case I get busier than I anticipate  with the graduation hoo-hah

Ha, sorry...but you knew what I meant.

These votes for ash are all terrible

I just want to say this: if ash is scum, what do you think his scumbuddies would be doing? I'll do the same.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 09:54:24 am
Definitely agree with "Didds is lazy".

Hey cool people are sheeping me!

Not sheeping if we actually have reasons for it. Terminology is important.

Vote: Ash

Yeeeeah that's fair. Then...yay people are...scumreading my scumread? Way less awesome. Still good.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 11, 2019, 09:59:14 am
Is ash at 4 votes or did I miscount?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 10:17:00 am
These votes for ash are all terrible

Not half as bad as your shraeye vote. I believe your claim but you couldn't be more wrong about him. Do you think I'm just as well about Ash?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 10:17:55 am
These votes for ash are all terrible

Not half as bad as your shraeye vote. I believe your claim but you couldn't be more wrong about him. Do you think I'm just as well about Ash?

*Wrong, phone posting, sorry
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 11, 2019, 10:21:52 am
These votes for ash are all terrible

Not half as bad as your shraeye vote. I believe your claim but you couldn't be more wrong about him. Do you think I'm just as well about Ash?

Yes. Why are you townreading shraeye?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 10:38:28 am
I mean, it's probably because I'm town
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 10:55:26 am
Vote: no lynch
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 10:58:51 am
Yeah, it's the right move.  We are close to deadline, nobody has any convincing reads or case.  Lynching me is bad, even lynching Ash/mix probably isn't right.  I mean, I've got at least 1.5 reasons why each is scum, but those reasons could easily be wrong.

We all probably have cool / neat / informative powers, let's let night 1 play out and gain info that way.  I don't want us last minute stumbling into something dumb.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 11:01:54 am
I'm also not a volunteer.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 11:02:36 am
This is probably the best time to do that...if we weren't an odd amount of players. What makes you think town's powers are better than scum's?

PPE 1: Huh.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 11:06:26 am
Probably both teams have cool powers.  Lynching scum is the best outcome, lynching town is the worst.  I'm picking average.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 11:07:52 am
Don't give me "odd number of players" crap.  Not lynching town is better than lynching town.  I want to guarantee that.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 11:14:54 am
These votes for ash are all terrible

Not half as bad as your shraeye vote. I believe your claim but you couldn't be more wrong about him. Do you think I'm just as well about Ash?

Yes. Why are you townreading shraeye?

I feel it in my bones.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 11, 2019, 11:20:16 am
??

Based means being yourself. Not being scared of what people think about you. Not being afraid to do what you wanna do. Being positive. When I was younger, based was a negative term that meant like dopehead, or basehead. People used to make fun of me. They was like, "You're based." They'd use it as a negative. And what I did was turn that negative into a positive. I started embracing it like, "Yeah, I'm based." I made it mine. I embedded it in my head. Based is positive.
 óLil B
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 11, 2019, 11:26:57 am
Yeah, it's the right move.  We are close to deadline, nobody has any convincing reads or case.  Lynching me is bad, even lynching Ash/mix probably isn't right.  I mean, I've got at least 1.5 reasons why each is scum, but those reasons could easily be wrong.

We all probably have cool / neat / informative powers, let's let night 1 play out and gain info that way.  I don't want us last minute stumbling into something dumb.
It's bad, we have less time than in a normal game due to the Baudelaire rule.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 11, 2019, 11:28:11 am
The ash votes are pretty bad though.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 11, 2019, 11:30:22 am
Vote: ash
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 11:32:09 am
Yeah, it's the right move.  We are close to deadline, nobody has any convincing reads or case.  Lynching me is bad, even lynching Ash/mix probably isn't right.  I mean, I've got at least 1.5 reasons why each is scum, but those reasons could easily be wrong.

We all probably have cool / neat / informative powers, let's let night 1 play out and gain info that way.  I don't want us last minute stumbling into something dumb.
It's bad, we have less time than in a normal game due to the Baudelaire rule.

Do essentially random lynching is better? I disagree.  Nobody has expressed a strong scumread yet so why push a lunch through at super speed? That is historically TERRIBLE for town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 11, 2019, 11:32:40 am
I'm out for the rest of the Day to do IRL mafia, but I figure I should wake up before the deadline tomorrow.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 11:32:41 am
Yeah, it's the right move.  We are close to deadline, nobody has any convincing reads or case.  Lynching me is bad, even lynching Ash/mix probably isn't right.  I mean, I've got at least 1.5 reasons why each is scum, but those reasons could easily be wrong.

We all probably have cool / neat / informative powers, let's let night 1 play out and gain info that way.  I don't want us last minute stumbling into something dumb.
It's bad, we have less time than in a normal game due to the Baudelaire rule.

You're saying you expect Baudelair deaths to be coming in like hotcakes?  No chance that they can stay hidden through the extra 0.3 days a no lynch gains?

People are always shitting on my nolynch because it DOESNT buy us extra time.  Now you want to shit on it because it buys us too much???!? 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 11:33:26 am
I'm out for the rest of the Day to do IRL mafia, but I figure I should wake up before the deadline tomorrow.

Just vote no lynch, instead of promising to wake up just before deadline to ramajam whatever hot crap is served up
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 11:49:48 am
I think Awaclus just gained every single Awaclus!point there was, because I had the same question for another reason. Well done.

Back to the game: no lynch in odd players is basically the same as lynching town, except we "gain time" and scum have more freedom on who to kill. Wait, it's not that clearcut.

I'm down for it, actually, but I would rather lynch ash. I don't think anyone else should be lynched here but feel free to make a case for ppl.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 11:59:12 am
??

Based means being yourself. Not being scared of what people think about you. Not being afraid to do what you wanna do. Being positive. When I was younger, based was a negative term that meant like dopehead, or basehead. People used to make fun of me. They was like, "You're based." They'd use it as a negative. And what I did was turn that negative into a positive. I started embracing it like, "Yeah, I'm based." I made it mine. I embedded it in my head. Based is positive.
 óLil B

You teach me stuff! But Iím not sure how to use it in a sentence! :)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 12:05:29 pm
I think Awaclus just gained every single Awaclus!point there was, because I had the same question for another reason. Well done.

For being my curated Urban Dictionary, international version?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 12:21:30 pm
no lynch in odd players is basically the same as lynching town,

A) this is not true.  Clearly false

B) it is definitely not true in a role madness game
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 11, 2019, 01:01:16 pm
no lynch in odd players is basically the same as lynching town,

A) this is not true.  Clearly false

B) it is definitely not true in a role madness game

Yeah, you're right, just that last time you pushed this you were scum, besides I need to get to my own conclusions.

Vote: No Lynch, but I will hammer ash.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:22:04 pm
I have a volleyball tournament today, will try to read/catch up between games

Are you playing or watching? I hope itís awesome!

Playing, and it was fun, but we lost. Didn't have my normal team and couldn't find any rhythm
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:22:19 pm
no lynch in odd players is basically the same as lynching town,

A) this is not true.  Clearly false

B) it is definitely not true in a role madness game

Yeah, you're right, just that last time you pushed this you were scum, besides I need to get to my own conclusions.

Vote: No Lynch, but I will hammer ash.

This is bad
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:23:21 pm
Pubby has felt like scum to me from the start. I know we don't usually lynch new players D1, but I really think he is scum.

Will move to any wagon for a lynch though
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:27:16 pm
These votes for ash are all terrible

Not half as bad as your shraeye vote. I believe your claim but you couldn't be more wrong about him. Do you think I'm just as well about Ash?

Yes. Why are you townreading shraeye?

Why are you not town reading shraeye? It's what all the cool people do
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:28:05 pm
And no plurality lynch.

Posting to remind myself
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 01:29:29 pm
no lynch in odd players is basically the same as lynching town,

A) this is not true.  Clearly false

B) it is definitely not true in a role madness game

Yeah, you're right, just that last time you pushed this you were scum, besides I need to get to my own conclusions.

Vote: No Lynch, but I will hammer ash.

This is bad
No it's not, E.  Embrace it.  Feel the shraeye power
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 01:31:10 pm
Pubby has felt like scum to me from the start. I know we don't usually lynch new players D1, but I really think he is scum.

Will move to any wagon for a lynch though

Since when has committing to lunch and only lunch ever helped town. The wagon is impossible to read D2 Anand it always hits town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:33:32 pm
Pubby has felt like scum to me from the start. I know we don't usually lynch new players D1, but I really think he is scum.

Will move to any wagon for a lynch though

Since when has committing to lunch and only lunch ever helped town. The wagon is impossible to read D2 Anand it always hits town.

But the wagon might be readable D5, and we won with it

Or we got scum and basically lock in a win.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 01:34:14 pm
Vote: No Lynch

Until something actually scummy comes along. Will not vote shraeye or ADK.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 01:34:56 pm
Pubby has felt like scum to me from the start. I know we don't usually lynch new players D1, but I really think he is scum.

Will move to any wagon for a lynch though

Since when has committing to lunch and only lunch ever helped town. The wagon is impossible to read D2 Anand it always hits town.

But the wagon might be readable D5, and we won with it

Or we got scum and basically lock in a win.

That's a whole lotta hypotheticals.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 11, 2019, 01:38:00 pm
Pubby has felt like scum to me from the start. I know we don't usually lynch new players D1, but I really think he is scum.

Will move to any wagon for a lynch though

Since when has committing to lunch and only lunch ever helped town. The wagon is impossible to read D2 Anand it always hits town.

But the wagon might be readable D5, and we won with it

Or we got scum and basically lock in a win.

That's a whole lotta hypotheticals.

Yeah. Or, hypothetically, we no lynch and our series of unfortunate night kills begin.

And we start D2 with nothing.

Oh, and fun idea. We no lynch again! Just keep no lynching until a hypothetical PR catches scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 01:46:24 pm
Pubby has felt like scum to me from the start. I know we don't usually lynch new players D1, but I really think he is scum.

Will move to any wagon for a lynch though

Since when has committing to lunch and only lunch ever helped town. The wagon is impossible to read D2 Anand it always hits town.

But the wagon might be readable D5, and we won with it

Or we got scum and basically lock in a win.

That's a whole lotta hypotheticals.

Yeah. Or, hypothetically, we no lynch and our series of unfortunate night kills begin.

And we start D2 with nothing.

Oh, and fun idea. We no lynch again! Just keep no lynching until a hypothetical PR catches scum.

Nobody is suggesting a D2 no lunch and we will have information tomorrow because we'll presumably have a NK and some PR results. What's complete nonsense is a last minute lunch where everybody except scum does a desperate scramble to kill somebody and we land on town like we always do.  I am not opposed to a lunch today but I don't see anybody I want to kill either.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 11, 2019, 01:54:51 pm

Totally writer's blocked on flavor today, sorry. Here is a vote count:


Voting Figure (Daily) 1.4

pubby (1): 2.71828.....
shraeye (3): DatSwan, faust, A Drowned Kernel
raerae (1): Uncleeurope
2.71828..... (1): pubby
ashersky (2): WestCoastDidds, Awaclus
A Drowned Kernel (1): ashersky

No lynch (3): shraeye, MiX, raerae

Not voting (1): mcmcsalot

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players. Day 1 will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th. That's tomorrow.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 11, 2019, 02:04:26 pm
No Lynch is bad.

People jumping on and off ash is sketchy.

There's one more gut read I'm interested in pursuing today, and that's vote: datswan
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 02:18:43 pm
No Lynch is bad.

People jumping on and off ash is sketchy.

There's one more gut read I'm interested in pursuing today, and that's vote: datswan

I could be down with this but what's your interest?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 02:22:49 pm
If ANYTHING happens at night, then we don't go into D2 with "no information".

Don't give me that line either, it's total crap
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 02:25:13 pm
Iím at a game bar. Itís a bar with games. Real games. Like dominion and scythe, broken into categories that make sense. With good food. And awesome drinks. I would bring you all here, if I could.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 02:25:31 pm
I donít think no lynch is a terrible decision if we donít have a secure scum read and if we have the sense that there is enough behind the scenes stuff that can/will happen that will make a difference. Do the volunteers have enough sense of who would be good to protect?? We know they can do something. We know Awa does something. Scum obviously has powers. And the Baudelaires get to talk, but scum get yo chat, too. The variations of this game might make no lynch more attractive than usual, but I need the people better with numbers and scenarios to think that through for me.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 02:30:14 pm
Iím at a game bar. Itís a bar with games. Real games. Like dominion and scythe, broken into categories that make sense. With good food. And awesome drinks. I would bring you all here, if I could.

Totally not jealous or anything. Totally.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 02:39:52 pm
Iím at a game bar. Itís a bar with games. Real games. Like dominion and scythe, broken into categories that make sense. With good food. And awesome drinks. I would bring you all here, if I could.

Totally not jealous or anything. Totally.

Itís called Vigilante. Itís in Austin. Come visit and Iíll take you!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 02:40:26 pm
Also, day drinking commencing in one, two...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 02:46:37 pm
I donít think no lynch is a terrible decision if we donít have a secure scum read and if we have the sense that there is enough behind the scenes stuff that can/will happen that will make a difference. Do the volunteers have enough sense of who would be good to protect?? We know they can do something. We know Awa does something. Scum obviously has powers. And the Baudelaires get to talk, but scum get yo chat, too. The variations of this game might make no lynch more attractive than usual, but I need the people better with numbers and scenarios to think that through for me.

I've thought it through; it's a good idea.

A) We don't get a last minute wagon that we pretend we can analyze in the future
B) Town will not get lynched, and we will get full use of our neato powers; nobody has to claim
C) This way a vig can kill without speeding up our clock
D) If a doctor/commuter/roleblock/bulletproof does their thing we actually save a day (one more day of scum shooting for Baudelairs, sorry faust)
E) There is a 0% chance we lynch/out a Baeaudelair and do scums work for them
F) We can still analyze nightkills
G) Wagons did form on Day1, we will still be able to analyze them in the future as well.  People spoke up; scumreads are known, townreads are known.  Info exists
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 02:58:10 pm
Where'd mcmc go?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 11, 2019, 04:42:49 pm
Hi people, 36 hours sleepless followed by a 8 hour nap immediately followed by a 4 hour nap leads us to now.

Where I think I have been rebirthed as a new human. Eddie Mach II, if you will.

Sorry I was absent, I have mostly followed along, just had no way of posting.

I think lynch candidates exist that are more interesting than a no-lynch.

In other news, I have added another bullet point to me being wary of raerae. So, huzzah!

With that I will Vote: WCD, though.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 04:44:30 pm
Okay...good reasons. I donít want to lynch town and see the neato powers
 vote: no lynch

Iíll be dama later

Poe: bad idea, Eddie. Iím town here.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 05:07:03 pm
Hi people, 36 hours sleepless followed by a 8 hour nap immediately followed by a 4 hour nap leads us to now.

Where I think I have been rebirthed as a new human. Eddie Mach II, if you will.

Sorry I was absent, I have mostly followed along, just had no way of posting.

I think lynch candidates exist that are more interesting than a no-lynch.

In other news, I have added another bullet point to me being wary of raerae. So, huzzah!

With that I will Vote: WCD, though.

Why Didds?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 11, 2019, 05:12:12 pm
Hi people, 36 hours sleepless followed by a 8 hour nap immediately followed by a 4 hour nap leads us to now.

Where I think I have been rebirthed as a new human. Eddie Mach II, if you will.

Sorry I was absent, I have mostly followed along, just had no way of posting.

I think lynch candidates exist that are more interesting than a no-lynch.

In other news, I have added another bullet point to me being wary of raerae. So, huzzah!

With that I will Vote: WCD, though.

Why Didds?

Are you town reading Didds?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 05:32:55 pm
Hi people, 36 hours sleepless followed by a 8 hour nap immediately followed by a 4 hour nap leads us to now.

Where I think I have been rebirthed as a new human. Eddie Mach II, if you will.

Sorry I was absent, I have mostly followed along, just had no way of posting.

I think lynch candidates exist that are more interesting than a no-lynch.

In other news, I have added another bullet point to me being wary of raerae. So, huzzah!

With that I will Vote: WCD, though.

Why Didds?

Are you town reading Didds?

Answering a question with a question is always solid. But maybe you could answer mine first. See, I know why other people are voting her and I've already expressed my feelings on that. But you just popped in and voted for her for no reason that I can see so I'm curious if you have some great insight that will make me believe and trust you or if you're just being lazy and don't care who gets lynched too.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 11, 2019, 06:00:44 pm
Where'd mcmc go?


See below

Also, day drinking commencing in one, two...

But in past tense
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 06:59:41 pm
Where'd mcmc go?


See below

Also, day drinking commencing in one, two...

But in past tense

Understandable absence then. Acceptable.

But, since you're here... Thoughts, feelings, comments, and concerns?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 11, 2019, 08:18:11 pm
Iím behind and celebrating Motherís Day a day early. So Iím behind I should be able to catch up soon
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 11, 2019, 08:24:08 pm
@ash

Maybe it's only fair I explain myself a little further, since this clearly isn't going to happen-

If we had gone through with the claiming, and any scum had fakeclaimed volunteer, the real volunteers would have been able to out them immediately.

Regarding the lynch: I like my vote where it is. Would lynch today: shraeye, raerae, WCD, ash

I think the ďreal volunteers can out the fake volunteers immediatelyĒ idea is basically just the usual claim/counterclaim thing, and not specific to the volunteer plan. Unless the town volunteers think they have some secret code that would allow them to out all three at once.  I donít see how any single volunteer can out three (or even one) volunteer correctly. If you donít know who the other two real volunteers are, how do you immediately find the three fake out of five, or two fake out of four, or one fake out of three?  You have to assume scum can safely fakeclaim here since they were in fact volunteers at some point in their flavor lives (I.e., their PMs make it possible or they got provided fake claims at the outset or requested them). If not, then fake claiming is less likely.

Or you are trying to unclearly say real volunteers have the ability to catch fake claimers built into their role?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 11, 2019, 08:30:20 pm


Would or should isnít relevant to me, since it occurred. Mafia often execute plans that are not universally accepted as ďgood.Ē

If the scum team decided that drawing out claims to POE Masons was good play, I think they do it the way ADK did. I think he did it well, and I applaud the effort. If I was on his team, Iíd know we made the right call on who to run it.

No, the answer to that question is 100% relevant.  To brush aside that question with "because mafia did it this time" is putting the cart 2 miles before the horse.

Saying "mafia did it this game" is arguing that they "would do it".  And that seems to be based on your analysis that says they "should do it".  But the link between should do and would do it not automatic.  If you aren't willing to fill in that gap, then you are literally jumping to conclusions.

No, the answer is 100% irrelevant. You know I canít accurately answer that question unless I am scum, because I need all the facts regarding roles, etc. to make a value judgement on the plan. Since Iím not, I canít.

If there was a scum plan to out volunteers, the way ADK played it is consistent with that plan. Considering the lack of much of anything else this game day, I think itís a better place than most to lynch.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 11, 2019, 08:40:01 pm
Unless the town volunteers think they have some secret code that would allow them to out all three at once.

At least one volunteer (me) thinks that.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 11, 2019, 08:54:57 pm
Iím on board with the vote: datswan very very gut read.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 11, 2019, 09:22:58 pm
I'm here and going straight to bed. No idea about DatSwan, I'd have to reread. But I still like the shraey.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 09:37:12 pm
Where'd mcmc go?


See below

Also, day drinking commencing in one, two...

I knew there was a reason I liked you!
But in past tense
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 09:38:31 pm
Where'd mcmc go?


See below

Also, day drinking commencing in one, two...

But in past tense

Rather, I knew there was a reason I liked you!

Quote fail is the cherry-infused gin talking. Who ever heard of such a thing?!?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 09:39:56 pm


Would or should isnít relevant to me, since it occurred. Mafia often execute plans that are not universally accepted as ďgood.Ē

If the scum team decided that drawing out claims to POE Masons was good play, I think they do it the way ADK did. I think he did it well, and I applaud the effort. If I was on his team, Iíd know we made the right call on who to run it.

No, the answer to that question is 100% relevant.  To brush aside that question with "because mafia did it this time" is putting the cart 2 miles before the horse.

Saying "mafia did it this game" is arguing that they "would do it".  And that seems to be based on your analysis that says they "should do it".  But the link between should do and would do it not automatic.  If you aren't willing to fill in that gap, then you are literally jumping to conclusions.

No, the answer is 100% irrelevant. You know I canít accurately answer that question unless I am scum, because I need all the facts regarding roles, etc. to make a value judgement on the plan. Since Iím not, I canít.
This is nonsense.  You can answer the question without being scum.  you're exaggerating the issue to avoid asking yourself the question you initially avoided asking yourself in the first place.

Tick through each player in this game.  WOULD they do this plan as scum?  That is the question I'm asking you and it doesn't require any g'dang thing to answer.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 11, 2019, 09:44:01 pm
I have been tackled by the cherry gin. It is winning and I have lost. Not quite utterly, but pretty profoundly.

Iíll read Swowl on the morning. Iím an early birdy so I should have plenty Ďo time.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 11, 2019, 09:50:27 pm
Joth is traveling. I will be online at deadline to post the flip but itís unlikely Iíll be able to do a vote count much beforehand.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 11, 2019, 09:53:33 pm


Would or should isnít relevant to me, since it occurred. Mafia often execute plans that are not universally accepted as ďgood.Ē

If the scum team decided that drawing out claims to POE Masons was good play, I think they do it the way ADK did. I think he did it well, and I applaud the effort. If I was on his team, Iíd know we made the right call on who to run it.

No, the answer to that question is 100% relevant.  To brush aside that question with "because mafia did it this time" is putting the cart 2 miles before the horse.

Saying "mafia did it this game" is arguing that they "would do it".  And that seems to be based on your analysis that says they "should do it".  But the link between should do and would do it not automatic.  If you aren't willing to fill in that gap, then you are literally jumping to conclusions.

No, the answer is 100% irrelevant. You know I canít accurately answer that question unless I am scum, because I need all the facts regarding roles, etc. to make a value judgement on the plan. Since Iím not, I canít.
This is nonsense.  You can answer the question without being scum.  you're exaggerating the issue to avoid asking yourself the question you initially avoided asking yourself in the first place.

Tick through each player in this game.  WOULD they do this plan as scum?  That is the question I'm asking you and it doesn't require any g'dang thing to answer.

A vast majority of scum groupings made from this player list would at least discuss it. I think a good third would do it. I think there is a small number of players that would be against it out of fear (newish players), conservatism, or arrogance (you can guess who I think this applies to).
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 11, 2019, 09:54:32 pm
Unless the town volunteers think they have some secret code that would allow them to out all three at once.

At least one volunteer (me) thinks that.

Interesting point. Donít explain, please.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 09:58:01 pm
Unless the town volunteers think they have some secret code that would allow them to out all three at once.

At least one volunteer (me) thinks that.

Interesting point. Donít explain, please.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic and fishing or sincere and requesting...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 11, 2019, 10:03:38 pm


Would or should isnít relevant to me, since it occurred. Mafia often execute plans that are not universally accepted as ďgood.Ē

If the scum team decided that drawing out claims to POE Masons was good play, I think they do it the way ADK did. I think he did it well, and I applaud the effort. If I was on his team, Iíd know we made the right call on who to run it.

No, the answer to that question is 100% relevant.  To brush aside that question with "because mafia did it this time" is putting the cart 2 miles before the horse.

Saying "mafia did it this game" is arguing that they "would do it".  And that seems to be based on your analysis that says they "should do it".  But the link between should do and would do it not automatic.  If you aren't willing to fill in that gap, then you are literally jumping to conclusions.

No, the answer is 100% irrelevant. You know I canít accurately answer that question unless I am scum, because I need all the facts regarding roles, etc. to make a value judgement on the plan. Since Iím not, I canít.
This is nonsense.  You can answer the question without being scum.  you're exaggerating the issue to avoid asking yourself the question you initially avoided asking yourself in the first place.

Tick through each player in this game.  WOULD they do this plan as scum?  That is the question I'm asking you and it doesn't require any g'dang thing to answer.

A vast majority of scum groupings made from this player list would at least discuss it. I think a good third would do it. I think there is a small number of players that would be against it out of fear (newish players), conservatism, or arrogance (you can guess who I think this applies to).

But you're neglecting the fact that he gave addition information regarding his role, nobody's countered, and you seem to be the only one who legitimately thinks he's scum for the claim.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 11, 2019, 11:23:34 pm
Vote: Shraeye

We are dangerously close to a no lynch here, just be aware, people, and pay attention.

I wonít be around for deadline, most likely. Unless I get hit with insomnia randomly.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 11, 2019, 11:45:04 pm
Since No lynch is exactly what we need right now, I don't see what's so "dangerous" about it.

Alternatively, you could be aware of the status of everybody's reads right now (half-baked would be optimistic), pay attention to the arguments I'm making about why we need a no-lynch, and accept it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 11, 2019, 11:46:01 pm
I apologize for my absence. It has been just... a crazy week. Super needy students (or more specifically parents).

1) Swan Votes - The double gut read vote on me is... strange. Considering, I have not done very much. Although, by that same logic, as no reason was given, I guess I cannot argue with them that much. But fwiw, I have just been very busy.

2) ADK Claiming VFD/Awaclus Promoting the Plan - My opinions during the discussion aside... I find it very unlikely that BOTH there person to bring up the plan, and the first person to claim, are both skum. Skum may want to promote the plan, but I do not think it likely they put themselves in that position.

3) ADK - I am pretty strong TR on ADK at this point. The post below screams to me "Hey! I am really VFD! I know something that I think the other VFD's know".
Unless the town volunteers think they have some secret code that would allow them to out all three at once.

At least one volunteer (me) thinks that.
I do not think I am outing ADK for anything that matters (since they already claimed VFD)... But if I were to guess, I would guess that they were given a piece of info about the set up, and they assume the other VFDs either got the same or similar pieces of information. This would be a very odd way for them to put their neck out there if they were in fact skum.


4) Awaclus - Based a lot on my TR of ADK, I am inclined to believe Awaclus is telling the truth about their role. Now, as this is a closed RMM... yeah he could be skum. But also, I do not think it is the best place to look for skum right now. They have said that they can verify their role down the road. I would say we wait on this one and put that to the test later in the game. If they are town, it sounds like the combo of info between what ADK and what potential Town!Awaclus are suggesting could be very valuable.


5) Ashes - I am the absolute nut low at reading Ash. And I am completely torn here... which doesn't really help. I do not get the wagon attempts on them though. I mean I get the whole "where is Ash with the game break plan" concept... but also the very beginning of the game was kind of already at that point. So I suppose FoS at the people pushing for Ashes.


6) MiX - This one is strange to me. For the amount of scrutiny that ADK got for claiming to be VFD right away... there was very little cast upon MiX for claiming NOT VFD. If there were a duo in the triple of Awaclus/ADK/MiX, the most likely is surely Awaclus!MiX based on Awaclus claim of targeting non-VFD and MiX then claiming VFD. It was also the second claim (like right away), so that was promoting people to jump on board and claim either VFD or Not VFD. Claiming in any way would benefit (to our knowledge at this point) both Skum and Awaclus. So either, it helps just skum... or it helps skum and Town!Awaclus. Either way - promoting the claim, while removing themselves from the VFD pool, could be a solid play from Skum!MiX.



TLDR; I am down for MiX or Awaclus. Leaning on MiX.


Vote: MiX

PPE the post from Eddie that is making me check how close we actually are to DL.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 11, 2019, 11:53:08 pm
ok so it is like really soon.
8:53am on May 12th FT to be exact.

Can I get any love for the Mix wagon?
I am pretty much a no go for ADK or Awaclus today.

No lynch, is as it always is, a horrible idea. The argument that "no one has a solid skum read" is the absolute most nonsense I have ever heard. It is D1 in a 13 player game. The upside of NOT lynching town today is heavily... heavily outweighed by the info gained from the D1 lynch. There are never any "solid skum reads" on day 1. Not even if you think you have a good read, get that player lynched, and are correct and they flip skum.... it still wasn't solid. It was based on no info, no VCA... nothing. Just player meta from previous games. Which of course, can be manipulated.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 12, 2019, 12:00:10 am
I will be around for 2 hours, then gone for two hours, then around for an hour (last hour here is 4-5 hours or so before DL).
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 12, 2019, 12:00:38 am
ok so it is like really soon.
8:53am on May 12th FT to be exact.

Can I get any love for the Mix wagon?
I am pretty much a no go for ADK or Awaclus today.

No lynch, is as it always is, a horrible idea. The argument that "no one has a solid skum read" is the absolute most nonsense I have ever heard. It is D1 in a 13 player game. The upside of NOT lynching town today is heavily... heavily outweighed by the info gained from the D1 lynch. There are never any "solid skum reads" on day 1. Not even if you think you have a good read, get that player lynched, and are correct and they flip skum.... it still wasn't solid. It was based on no info, no VCA... nothing. Just player meta from previous games. Which of course, can be manipulated.

The "info gained" today is heavily outweighed by ALL THE REASONS I HAVE LISTED.  Take your "info gained" mantra and lock it back in it's box, dude.  This is Role Madness, joth style.  Let me catch you up to speed on what happened last joth-mod RMM.  The always-lynch-squad shot down an IC for the sake of  GHAAINNNING INPHOOOO!!

I'm not asking for a bulletproof case.  There literally aren't any cases.  People are just now catching up; it is not realistic to think that we can have everybody up to speed, a sensible discussion, a high-success-lynch in the next 9 hours when more than 60% of the players will be asleep for more than 60% of that time. 

It is too late; it is no-lynch time.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 12, 2019, 12:01:26 am
i'm going to sleep.  Y'all sort this out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 12, 2019, 12:11:12 am
There's very few lynches I actually like at this point. No Lynch might actually be the way to go.

But of any Lynch, I think the best bet is

vote: eddie

So I'll put my vote there. Might be best to let things just go to deadline though.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 12, 2019, 12:12:05 am
Since No lynch is exactly what we need right now, I don't see what's so "dangerous" about it.

Alternatively, you could be aware of the status of everybody's reads right now (half-baked would be optimistic), pay attention to the arguments I'm making about why we need a no-lynch, and accept it.

Ah, yes, since you made a post explaining no-lynch I should be agreeing with it, my mistake, I forgot the system.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 12, 2019, 12:33:26 am
ok so it is like really soon.
8:53am on May 12th FT to be exact.

Can I get any love for the Mix wagon?
I am pretty much a no go for ADK or Awaclus today.

No lynch, is as it always is, a horrible idea. The argument that "no one has a solid skum read" is the absolute most nonsense I have ever heard. It is D1 in a 13 player game. The upside of NOT lynching town today is heavily... heavily outweighed by the info gained from the D1 lynch. There are never any "solid skum reads" on day 1. Not even if you think you have a good read, get that player lynched, and are correct and they flip skum.... it still wasn't solid. It was based on no info, no VCA... nothing. Just player meta from previous games. Which of course, can be manipulated.

The "info gained" today is heavily outweighed by ALL THE REASONS I HAVE LISTED.  Take your "info gained" mantra and lock it back in it's box, dude.  This is Role Madness, joth style.  Let me catch you up to speed on what happened last joth-mod RMM.  The always-lynch-squad shot down an IC for the sake of  GHAAINNNING INPHOOOO!!

I'm not asking for a bulletproof case.  There literally aren't any cases.  People are just now catching up; it is not realistic to think that we can have everybody up to speed, a sensible discussion, a high-success-lynch in the next 9 hours when more than 60% of the players will be asleep for more than 60% of that time. 

It is too late; it is no-lynch time.

The problem is with DL where it is and you promoting this stance.
There is no Plurality this game.
So we have a wagon max of what... 3?

Getting people to go no lynch is IN FACT a way to take away info from future days in a very substantial way.

If there is a NO LYNCH because we all try to lynch and no one is lynched... that is one thing.
But in a world where there is no real wagon, and we have a bunch of people on a NO LYNCH... that is just the worst + the worst.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 12, 2019, 12:38:10 am
There's very few lynches I actually like at this point. No Lynch might actually be the way to go.

But of any Lynch, I think the best bet is

vote: eddie

So I'll put my vote there. Might be best to let things just go to deadline though.

summarize eddie for me please.
Super quick style.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 12, 2019, 12:41:53 am
I dislike the DatSwan votes, btw.

Feels like that's worth mentioning.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 12, 2019, 12:46:23 am
There's very few lynches I actually like at this point. No Lynch might actually be the way to go.

But of any Lynch, I think the best bet is

vote: eddie

So I'll put my vote there. Might be best to let things just go to deadline though.

summarize eddie for me please.
Super quick style.

Im going to out on a limb here and say that he is a bit of an odd guy. Kinda awkward, a bit of a milk fanatic, maybe a touch morose at times.

He's the kind of person who would mess up high-fives a lot, but he tries his best.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 12, 2019, 02:38:41 am
There's very few lynches I actually like at this point. No Lynch might actually be the way to go.

But of any Lynch, I think the best bet is

vote: eddie

So I'll put my vote there. Might be best to let things just go to deadline though.

summarize eddie for me please.
Super quick style.

Im going to out on a limb here and say that he is a bit of an odd guy. Kinda awkward, a bit of a milk fanatic, maybe a touch morose at times.

He's the kind of person who would mess up high-fives a lot, but he tries his best.

When you high five is it on ď 1,2,3Ē or ď1,2,3, goĒ?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 12, 2019, 03:11:36 am
I dislike the DatSwan votes, btw.

Feels like that's worth mentioning.

So you dislike mix vote? Bc the only other vote was for the person you are voting. Kind of a ďi would be willing to go for swan but also the only person swan has voted forĒ vibe.

Thought it was worth mentioning.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 12, 2019, 03:12:42 am
Europeans where you at Iím running out of juice here
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 12, 2019, 03:25:55 am
Europeans where you at Iím running out of juice here

Just waking up
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 12, 2019, 03:29:35 am
If ANYTHING happens at night, then we don't go into D2 with "no information".

Don't give me that line either, it's total crap

Yeah, and I am sure you will be first to claim.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 12, 2019, 03:44:54 am
But yeah, it doesn't look like a lynch is going to happen
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 12, 2019, 04:29:32 am
I can vote MiX as a possible ADK partner based on Seanís logic, assuming a more complicated plan cooked up by ADK or Faust or something.  Since ADK seems strongly unlynchable today...

vote: MiX

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: 2.71828..... on May 12, 2019, 04:45:41 am
MiX isn't a terrible lynch here

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 12, 2019, 04:57:12 am
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 05:34:07 am
faust's vote count

shraeye (2): faust, Eddie
ashersky (1): Awaclus
DatSwan (1): mcmc
MiX (4): DatSwan, ash, e, pubby
Eddie (1): ADK

No lynch (4): shraeye, MiX, raerae, WCD
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 05:47:02 am
Well I've reread some people and arrived at a solid meh. Like DatSwan... contrived setup mistake, plan talking, disappearance, then trying to start a new wagon... meh. The most likely outcome is no lynch, he was on a wagon when he voted for MiX and left it for everyone's favorite mislynch.

Eddie... absent, mostly short posts that announce his feelings about stuff but don't further the game, pushing for people who are going to be easy to read later on and have no support.

MiX... premature claim and then backpedaling, probing for things and not really sticking to them. I don't know if it's actually scummy for him. At least he's probably not going to be scum with Awaclus? Which is weird because I seem to remember that that is exactly the angle Swan was pushing.

So I'm actively opposed to ashersky and no lynch, and I could do any of he three above but MiX is not my favorite.

Vote: Eddie
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 12, 2019, 05:57:20 am
Vote: Eddie
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 06:34:33 am
Okay so the case on me is...I trust ADK? What a crime!

Vote: ash because people actually bought the idea that ADK could reasonably be scum without him doing a crazy gambit while guessing what VFD's roles will say, that's just...that's just not something ADK can do as scum.

Either ash or Swan here, but I think Swan's case makes more sense, since it comes from a "ADK's plan is scummy" perspective, which ash started. And I know how wrong Swan can be regarding setup, so he gets a pass. Ash doesn't.

I'll reread what happened while I was gone away and chime in about other things.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 06:50:26 am
Okay, so ash's reasoning for voting for me is terrible and still implies ADK is scum, something that I can't really see here after his talk about VFD catching fakeclaims (somehow), why would scum say that? And how would they guess this is the case? And if it is the case, won't scum!ADK be caught anyway? Because the real VFD have fakeclaim-catching things? So all in all ash's scumread on ADK makes absolutely no sense.

e and pubby's vote, however, don't actually have explanation. Do you care to explain, because I would love to know if your'e sheeping ash or swan.

Eddie seems as detached from the game as he said he was in RMM52 (he was town), but I'll have to reread that game to see how he was. Nevertheless he doesn't seem scummy as much as null and a bit confused about no lynch. Again, I'll reread his past games.

I can understand shraeye votes, but now is not the time for them, if at all. He played me last time so I don't know if this no-lynch scenario means he's scummy or not, it's still the correct thing to do (other than an ash lynch) so he shouldn't be scumread for it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 12, 2019, 07:05:04 am
I'm here, I would vote for mix to get a lynch through
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 12, 2019, 07:08:12 am
Iím here and like vote: Eddie more than a mix lynch
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 07:09:04 am
I'm here, I would vote for mix to get a lynch through

We could always no lynch, you know. The case on me's weak and it's mostly because I trusted ADK's plan enough to claim on the spot without thinking about every possible scenario. Unless there's a better one?

Iím here and like vote: Eddie more than a mix lynch

Ew. But I might join this, even just for my survival. Oh that reminds me I need to reread him!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 07:10:29 am
Okay so the case on me is...I trust ADK? What a crime!

Vote: ash because people actually bought the idea that ADK could reasonably be scum without him doing a crazy gambit while guessing what VFD's roles will say, that's just...that's just not something ADK can do as scum.
When did you change your mind about no lynch?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 07:13:36 am
Okay so the case on me is...I trust ADK? What a crime!

Vote: ash because people actually bought the idea that ADK could reasonably be scum without him doing a crazy gambit while guessing what VFD's roles will say, that's just...that's just not something ADK can do as scum.
When did you change your mind about no lynch?

Never:

I'm down for it, actually, but I would rather lynch ash.

Vote: No Lynch, but I will hammer ash.

But for why I prefer ash lynch to no lynch now, it's mostly because he voted for me with the worst possible reason. Also because self-preservation. I still like no lynch.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 07:16:51 am
Hmm, I reread Uncle, and I have a big question:

@Eddie, can you explain every single vote you did? Because I can't see any good explanation for any of them (except the raerae one I suppose). Is uncle even here? I hope he wakes up before the day's over...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 12, 2019, 07:17:59 am
vote: mix
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 07:19:47 am
vote: mix

Bah. Vote: Eddie. I guess. I was going to do this before, but I wanted to know if Eddie was going to respond at all.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 12, 2019, 07:30:43 am
Vote: Eddie
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 12, 2019, 07:32:01 am
Hmm, I reread Uncle, and I have a big question:

@Eddie, can you explain every single vote you did? Because I can't see any good explanation for any of them (except the raerae one I suppose). Is uncle even here? I hope he wakes up before the day's over...
He was pretty statedly out of it.  He's definitely a "never showed up and isn't thinking things clearly" candidate that I factored into my nolynch push.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 12, 2019, 07:33:31 am
As are DatSwan and mcmcs...aren't all of these people currently voting gut reads that they can't back up hoping to push a lynch through?

I sure hope it doesn't work.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 07:36:44 am
As are DatSwan and mcmcs...aren't all of these people currently voting gut reads that they can't back up hoping to push a lynch through?

I sure hope it doesn't work.

Well, that is kinda what all D1s are all about. But at least Swan has a case.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:06:26 am
Good morning!

Okay...I think this is where we are at
Eddie (5): faust, Awaclus, mcmc, MiX, pubby
MiX (4): swan, Ashersky, e, ADK
Shraeye (1): Eddie
No lynch (3): Shraeye, raerae, WCD

Deadline in like 45 minutes, it takes 7 to lynch
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:09:36 am
All you people saying no lunch is the worst thing since white bread haven't countered any of shraeye's arguments, you've just screamed that it's terrible and then randomly voted because somebody didn't put a comma in the right place or wear pink on Wednesdays. Stupid, shortsighted, detrimental to town votes. You will hit town, scum will "analyze" the wagon, and we'll lunch town again tomorrow. Shame on all you all.

Vote: No Lynch
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:10:50 am
Wow, I did not see pubby's vote.

Vote: Eddie

Why? Why are you so mysterious?

All you people saying no lunch is the worst thing since white bread haven't countered any of shraeye's arguments, you've just screamed that it's terrible and then randomly voted because somebody didn't put a comma in the right place or wear pink on Wednesdays. Stupid, shortsighted, detrimental to town votes. You will hit town, scum will "analyze" the wagon, and we'll lunch town again tomorrow. Shame on all you all.

Vote: No Lynch

Vote: No lynch, if you're on hopefully we can convince everyone of this.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:13:05 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:14:32 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?

Not today I can't.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:15:17 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?

Not today I can't.

Wait...should I have said can? English is hard...

You can probably find such a case in the massive backlog of f.ds mafia games, surely it happened once, right?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 08:18:07 am
All you people saying no lunch is the worst thing since white bread haven't countered any of shraeye's arguments, you've just screamed that it's terrible and then randomly voted because somebody didn't put a comma in the right place or wear pink on Wednesdays. Stupid, shortsighted, detrimental to town votes. You will hit town, scum will "analyze" the wagon, and we'll lunch town again tomorrow. Shame on all you all.

Vote: No Lynch
Oh come on shraeye's arguments have been countered time and time again and here we don't have enough time to allow scum to gun for more Baudelaires.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:18:53 am
So, Eddie and MiX are the choices if we want a lynch?

Eddie has been absent because life, and when heís been around he said been voting for people I think or know are town (like me!) with little to no explanation. I tend to scum read him always, which is odd since I play with him more frequently than anyone else, and he does the same for/to me.

MiX is still rather new to me and I see him actively working to change his tone and approach to better fit this community and I appreciate that effort. I donít quite understand his defenses of Awaclus, but that isnít really scummy.

The Eddie wagon starts with faustís Meh (or maybe it was bah, you you get it) and the MiX wagon is similarly uninspired. Is there a a good case for either of them? Come on, donít be shy....I need the help.

The last few games Iíve played weíve lost because of too many mislynches or people parking a vote just because.... I have not been part of a D1 scum lynch since my very first newbie game.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:19:36 am
Faust, are you feeling any more inspired about your Eddie vote than you initially were?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:19:55 am
All you people saying no lunch is the worst thing since white bread haven't countered any of shraeye's arguments, you've just screamed that it's terrible and then randomly voted because somebody didn't put a comma in the right place or wear pink on Wednesdays. Stupid, shortsighted, detrimental to town votes. You will hit town, scum will "analyze" the wagon, and we'll lunch town again tomorrow. Shame on all you all.

Vote: No Lynch
Oh come on shraeye's arguments have been countered time and time again and here we don't have enough time to allow scum to gun for more Baudelaires.

Where are these amazing debunkings?

PPE 2: The best thing to do in such a case is to No Lynch. Honestly this day's pretty bad.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:20:55 am
All you people saying no lunch is the worst thing since white bread haven't countered any of shraeye's arguments, you've just screamed that it's terrible and then randomly voted because somebody didn't put a comma in the right place or wear pink on Wednesdays. Stupid, shortsighted, detrimental to town votes. You will hit town, scum will "analyze" the wagon, and we'll lunch town again tomorrow. Shame on all you all.

Vote: No Lynch
Oh come on shraeye's arguments have been countered time and time again and here we don't have enough time to allow scum to gun for more Baudelaires.

You seem to be forgetting this is role madness. Or you have a lot more faith in scum's abilities than town's.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 08:23:40 am
You seem to be forgetting this is role madness.
I don't see how this factors into it.

Or you have a lot more faith in scum's abilities than town's.
I'm not the one who believes it unthinkable that we lynch scum on D1.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 08:25:02 am
Faust, are you feeling any more inspired about your Eddie vote than you initially were?
Not really. I mean he hasn't posted since, the only thing that changed is more people joined, but it doesn't sway me particularly.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:26:45 am
You seem to be forgetting this is role madness.
I don't see how this factors into it.

Or you have a lot more faith in scum's abilities than town's.
I'm not the one who believes it unthinkable that we lynch scum on D1.

If anybody has actually been around after the setup talk today I could believe but since everybody peaced out after that, yeah, I'm not feeling extremely hopeful. This D1 panic has happened every game since I've been back and it's never played out to benefit town. Why do you think it's suddenly going to today?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 08:27:24 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?
It actually helps almost every time because it puts scum on the spot. Like now they could just sit back and do whatever because we won't lynch anyway.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:30:11 am
Well we have 7 minutes. Do you truly believe Eddie is always scum here? Because the wagon came out of nowhere it would be very easy for scum to latch onto it. Scum are also in a prime position to evade being the main wagon simply because there's 2 people that can simply defend them.

Overall I still agree with raerae.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:30:18 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?
It actually helps almost every time because it puts scum on the spot. Like now they could just sit back and do whatever because we won't lynch anyway.

How does it put them on the spot? In Philosopher's the D1 wagon was all town. Scum sat back then, why would today be any different?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:31:54 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?
It actually helps almost every time because it puts scum on the spot. Like now they could just sit back and do whatever because we won't lynch anyway.

How does it put them on the spot? In Philosopher's the D1 wagon was all town. Scum sat back then, why would today be any different?

Hey, I've mentioned this before! You can't count only the end of the wagon: you should see what the wagon was when the lynch was guaranteed. At that moment, my wagon had scum in it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 08:32:34 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?
It actually helps almost every time because it puts scum on the spot. Like now they could just sit back and do whatever because we won't lynch anyway.

How does it put them on the spot? In Philosopher's the D1 wagon was all town. Scum sat back then, why would today be any different?
Not joining a wagon is still an interaction that helps us figure out their alignment.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:33:15 am
I just donít see any reason that anyone has said that Edidie is scum.

MiX is reading a bit scrambly to me, though.... vote: MiX L-2
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:33:21 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?
It actually helps almost every time because it puts scum on the spot. Like now they could just sit back and do whatever because we won't lynch anyway.

How does it put them on the spot? In Philosopher's the D1 wagon was all town. Scum sat back then, why would today be any different?

Hey, I've mentioned this before! You can't count only the end of the wagon: you should see what the wagon was when the lynch was guaranteed. At that moment, my wagon had scum in it.

I can count that because that's the wagon that got analyzed. Obviously scum voted today, we aren't moving this goal post.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:33:46 am
The above post won't make sense if you haven't read D1 of M121. So, if you have time, I suggest you read it, it's a good example of a terrible D1 and also the only game with town!me.

PPE 3: Scrambly? I don't get it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 12, 2019, 08:34:36 am
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:34:56 am
Can anybody tell me the last time a last minute, nobody's been around but we gotta push something through vote on D1 actually hit scum or helped town win?
It actually helps almost every time because it puts scum on the spot. Like now they could just sit back and do whatever because we won't lynch anyway.

How does it put them on the spot? In Philosopher's the D1 wagon was all town. Scum sat back then, why would today be any different?
Not joining a wagon is still an interaction that helps us figure out their alignment.

But we analyze the wagon, not who wasn't on it! Unless somebody is dumb enough to say, "Oh yeah, X is totally scum!" But then never puts their vote there we don't look at them.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:35:12 am
Don't hammer me for the love of god.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:35:49 am
Didds, you want a lunch now?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:37:10 am
Okay, has deadline passed? It should have, right?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:37:27 am
Oh wait...is deadline 8:35 or 8:53??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:38:27 am
Oh wait...is deadline 8:35 or 8:53??

Should be 35?

"It will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th." - #46
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:38:44 am
#400 said 8:53....but I think maybe that was reversed?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:40:20 am
Wait what's #400?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:41:15 am
Didds, you want a lunch now?

When comparing the Eddie to MiX wagon, I think there are more town on MiX. Iím down for a lynch if itís scum!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:41:48 am
Latest mod update on deadline should be this post:

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players. Day 1 will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th. That's tomorrow.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:42:32 am
Wait what's #400?

I think DatSwan transposed the numbers, and then someone quoted him. So, I think hire right 8:35. 

I was just confused because I was looking back at the message that had the 8:53
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:42:58 am
Latest mod update on deadline should be this post:

With 13 players alive, it take 7 to lynch most players. Day 1 will end at 8:35 AM FT on May 12th. That's tomorrow.

Right.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 12, 2019, 08:44:15 am
But since we're in twilight, Didds, why the MiX vote? I thought you were down with a no lunch. Was he really so scummy?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 12, 2019, 08:49:59 am
Hhmmm....I donít think I he was soooo scummy, but I generally think a lynch is more informative than a no lynch and I donít think he is soooo towny either. The people voting for him are my towny crowd, though, which is persuasive.

But Iím also a bit gun shy based on some of my recent experiences where there are too many mislynches for town to win, so I donít think no lynch is a bad plan in a game like this with a specific wincon of having particular players alive.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 12, 2019, 08:54:28 am
Hhmmm....I donít think I he was soooo scummy, but I generally think a lynch is more informative than a no lynch and I donít think he is soooo towny either. The people voting for him are my towny crowd, though, which is persuasive.

But Iím also a bit gun shy based on some of my recent experiences where there are too many mislynches for town to win, so I donít think no lynch is a bad plan in a game like this with a specific wincon of having particular players alive.

Soooooo...you voted because why not? Oh and because the wagon had towny people. You know Didds, I wish I had scum games of you to read, because this sounds like Didds!Didds and I have no idea what your scumtells are.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 12, 2019, 08:59:42 am
When moderating a mafia game, it is important to be timely when posting important information, such as whether or not the town has successfully lynched a player. However, it is equally important to ensure that the vote count is accurate before providing this information. This can sometimes necessitate a short delay.

In the meantime, Thread Locked.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 12, 2019, 09:25:02 am


A deadline is an important concept to many people. For example, Mrs. Poe at the Daily Punctillio had a deadline for her writers to submit their stories, and if that deadline was missed, it would result in an inaccurate or grammatically incorrect article, an eventuality which would have driven the Baudelaire's Aunt Josephine quite mad. Similarly, if you were infected by the deadly Medusoid Mycellium, you might have a deadline of only a few hours to find a cure before succumbing to a grisly fate. So missing a deadline can have consequences ranging from the merely inconvenient to the downright gruesome.

In the case of the Baudelaire orphans, the townspeople had missed their deadline and therefore no suspected arsonist would be captured that day. But the eventual consequences of this turn of events remained to be seen...



Voting - Final Decision 1.5

shraeye (1): UncleEurope
MiX (6): DatSwan, ashersky. 2.71828...., A Drowned Kernel, WestCoastDidds, faust
UncleEurope (3): Awaclus, mcmcsalot, pubby

No lynch (3): shraeye, raerae, MiX

With 13 players alive, it took 7 to lynch - and 7 was not achieved. No one was lynched today. Night 1 begins now and will end some time after 9:30 AM FT on May 14th. Night actions are due by 9:30 PM on May 13th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 14, 2019, 09:47:42 am
If you have met a grisly fate, you have likely been killed in a gruesome and graphic manner. If you have met a grizzly fate, something momentous has happened to you involving Ursas Arctos Horribilus, a particularly large and formidable specimen of the bear family.

I regret to inform you that the fate of Klaus Baudelaire was both grisly and grizzly. I have not been able to ascertain the exact details, but it appears that before or during the mysterious fire at Caligari Carnival, Klaus had a most unfortunate run-in with a trained bear as he tried to protect his siblings from Count Olaf's machinations. Whatever pertinent research he may have been working on was tragically lost along with his young life.

2.71828..... has been killed. He was Klaus Baudelaire, the town-aligned Survivor-Mason-Tracker.

Readers, I fear the worst for Klaus's two sisters if his killers, or at least, the trainers of his killer, are not brought to justice soon.

Voting - First Draft 2.0

Not voting (3): Uncleeurope, shraeye, raerae, MiX, DatSwan, ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, WestCoastDidds, faust, Awaclus, mcmcsalot, pubby

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch most players. Day 2 begins now and will end at 10:00 AM FT on May 19th. THREAD UNLOCKED.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 09:50:31 am
Vote: Didds
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 09:51:55 am
A wise man once said this:

You're saying you expect Baudelair deaths to be coming in like hotcakes?  No chance that they can stay hidden through the extra 0.3 days a no lynch gains?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 09:52:26 am
Also, what happened to that vote count? Did it also meet a grizzly fate? Sure looks like it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 14, 2019, 09:54:42 am
Bleh
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 14, 2019, 09:54:58 am
I'm still on vote: mix
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 14, 2019, 09:55:28 am
Also, what happened to that vote count? Did it also meet a grizzly fate? Sure looks like it.

oops. fixed now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 09:56:17 am
Oh, e!  Noooooooooo.......

And I wanted to wish you happy impending baby congratulations!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 09:56:31 am
I'm still on vote: mix

Strictly a question for you, do you think the rest of VFD should claim today?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 09:56:49 am
Oh, e!  Noooooooooo.......

And I wanted to wish you happy impending baby congratulations!
Well I hope the night has satisfied your curiosity otherwise.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 09:58:58 am
Vote: Didds
I see you have embraced the wisdom that is unexplained votes.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:00:33 am
Vote: Didds
I see you have embraced the wisdom that is unexplained votes.

I think it's pretty clear from my last posts on D1 why I'm voting here but if you insist on being sassy...


DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:02:30 am
Vote: Didds
I see you have embraced the wisdom that is unexplained votes.

I think it's pretty clear from my last posts on D1 why I'm voting here but if you insist on being sassy...


DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Sorry I'm afraid those haven't been memorable enough for me to connect the dots apparently. Do you then also think that MiX is town?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:03:01 am
Did e crumb or was that a lucky hit?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 10:03:20 am
Oh, e!  Noooooooooo.......

And I wanted to wish you happy impending baby congratulations!
Well I hope the night has satisfied your curiosity otherwise.

Alas, no. Way more questions than answers. 

I think I am okay with revoking the pubby D1 pass, now. My reread has pubby, Eddie, and asher at the top of my scum list.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:04:37 am
Vote: Didds
I see you have embraced the wisdom that is unexplained votes.

I think it's pretty clear from my last posts on D1 why I'm voting here but if you insist on being sassy...


DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Sorry I'm afraid those haven't been memorable enough for me to connect the dots apparently. Do you then also think that MiX is town?

I don't have feelings on MiX, he's more calm than the last time we played but there's a not small part of me that thinks that's because he's on a team and they told him to slow his role.  But, no, I don't give him town points for voting no lynch, that's a ridiculous conclusion to draw from my Didds vote.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:05:03 am
DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Also it sure is lucky that we didn't lynch D1 so we can now go on to build goo cases that incorporate knowledge we didn't have D1!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:05:57 am
Vote: Didds
I see you have embraced the wisdom that is unexplained votes.

I think it's pretty clear from my last posts on D1 why I'm voting here but if you insist on being sassy...


DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Sorry I'm afraid those haven't been memorable enough for me to connect the dots apparently. Do you then also think that MiX is town?

I don't have feelings on MiX, he's more calm than the last time we played but there's a not small part of me that thinks that's because he's on a team and they told him to slow his role.  But, no, I don't give him town points for voting no lynch, that's a ridiculous conclusion to draw from my Didds vote.
But Didds gave up her stance to vote for MiX, right? And she wouldn't do that if he was her partner?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 14, 2019, 10:07:32 am
I feel it is prudent at this juncture to remind all players to check their personal QTs at the start of each day. Unlike many mafia games, this is a "role madness" setup, which means that even if your own role does not typically receive information at the start of the day, you may find that something has happened in the night that only you are aware of.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 10:08:53 am

DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.

Roam if you want to, but it wasn't a flip flop. On Saturday I was busy and away so I voted no lynch, on Sunday morning I looked at where we were at and voted.  I was off on the deadline time, though, so it was pointless.  On Sunday morning it was MiX or no lynch. In that moment, based on the interactions between you and MiX, I found MiX fairly scummy.

It isn't scummy to not prefer no lynch. Most people do not prefer no lynch. MiX was as flip floppy as I was, although for him it was no lynch or Ash.

PPE: 4
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:09:38 am
DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Also it sure is lucky that we didn't lynch D1 so we can now go on to build goo cases that incorporate knowledge we didn't have D1!

Whenever you're done gloating can we actually play this game?  Your way isn't the only right way and ending the day we did doesn't assure certain doom.  We still have things to go off of, there were plenty of wagons that tried to get spun up last minute.  You can analyze those, can't you?  Or do you need a death to make the entire day count? 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:09:47 am
I feel it is prudent at this juncture to remind all players to check their personal QTs at the start of each day. Unlike many mafia games, this is a "role madness" setup, which means that even if your own role does not typically receive information at the start of the day, you may find that something has happened in the night that only you are aware of.
Hint, hint.

I feel it is quite questionable for a mod to post this and softconfirm some stuff that happened, but I guess that's done now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:10:43 am
DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Also it sure is lucky that we didn't lynch D1 so we can now go on to build goo cases that incorporate knowledge we didn't have D1!

Whenever you're done gloating can we actually play this game?  Your way isn't the only right way and ending the day we did doesn't assure certain doom.  We still have things to go off of, there were plenty of wagons that tried to get spun up last minute.  You can analyze those, can't you?  Or do you need a death to make the entire day count?
Yeah pretty much. I think all the votes that happened close to deadline have very little weight because of how unlikely a lynch was.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:12:13 am
Vote: Didds
I see you have embraced the wisdom that is unexplained votes.

I think it's pretty clear from my last posts on D1 why I'm voting here but if you insist on being sassy...


DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Sorry I'm afraid those haven't been memorable enough for me to connect the dots apparently. Do you then also think that MiX is town?

I don't have feelings on MiX, he's more calm than the last time we played but there's a not small part of me that thinks that's because he's on a team and they told him to slow his role.  But, no, I don't give him town points for voting no lynch, that's a ridiculous conclusion to draw from my Didds vote.
But Didds gave up her stance to vote for MiX, right? And she wouldn't do that if he was her partner?

Why wouldn't she if it got you off her back?  You're clearly against the No Lynch stance, hitting scum D1 on a last minute lynch like that essentially assures you'll avoid suspicion for at least the next day.  He was at, what, L-1 or L-2?  It isn't the worst thing for scum to do.  I'm not calling teams right now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:13:48 am
Interesting stuff. Anyways I think vote: MiX is the best course of action for now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:14:57 am
DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Also it sure is lucky that we didn't lynch D1 so we can now go on to build goo cases that incorporate knowledge we didn't have D1!

Whenever you're done gloating can we actually play this game?  Your way isn't the only right way and ending the day we did doesn't assure certain doom.  We still have things to go off of, there were plenty of wagons that tried to get spun up last minute.  You can analyze those, can't you?  Or do you need a death to make the entire day count?
Yeah pretty much. I think all the votes that happened close to deadline have very little weight because of how unlikely a lynch was.

I guess I didn't see it as unlikely as you.  There were two of us committed to it, that still leaves plenty of town to push a lynch through.  But there's no point to this fight anymore, what's done is done, let's scumhunt.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 10:15:20 am
Raerae, where are you getting the idea that faust was on my back?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:15:55 am
Raerae, where are you getting the idea that faust was on my back?

Because you were entertaining the thought of a No Lynch.  He made his feelings clear on that subject.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:17:22 am
Raerae, where are you getting the idea that faust was on my back?

Because you were entertaining the thought of a No Lynch.  He made his feelings clear on that subject.
My feelings were never that people with a different opinion than me are scum, though.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:19:39 am
Raerae, where are you getting the idea that faust was on my back?

Because you were entertaining the thought of a No Lynch.  He made his feelings clear on that subject.
My feelings were never that people with a different opinion than me are scum, though.

But you really aren't looking at those people just a little closer? 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:21:42 am
@faust, can you explain why MiX is scum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 10:23:48 am
Raerae, where are you getting the idea that faust was on my back?

Because you were entertaining the thought of a No Lynch.  He made his feelings clear on that subject.

Huh. I didn't feel any pressure from faust, and I don't read it that way looking back.

I am not quite sure what my point is, but I am intrigued that we read that situation so differently.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 10:25:45 am
But you really aren't looking at those people just a little closer?
Biases are a thing but I try not to.

@faust, can you explain why MiX is scum?
I have a lingering feeling that he's not particularly townie from D1, plus other stuff that I don't feel like talking about.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 14, 2019, 10:38:03 am
I am so confused...this is the best game ever!

I'll answer things in a bit.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 14, 2019, 10:44:36 am
My night action was messed with.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 14, 2019, 10:50:06 am
Vote: Pubby

Good mornin' peeps. Really wish we had gotten the MiX lynch through, I was sleeping by the time it got later in the day.

I'm a bit bummed.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:52:46 am
Vote: Pubby

Good mornin' peeps. Really wish we had gotten the MiX lynch through, I was sleeping by the time it got later in the day.

I'm a bit bummed.

And yet you vote for not MiX?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 11:12:32 am
My night action was messed with.

Can you tell us more?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 14, 2019, 11:50:54 am
Vote: Pubby

Good mornin' peeps. Really wish we had gotten the MiX lynch through, I was sleeping by the time it got later in the day.

I'm a bit bummed.

And yet you vote for not MiX?

Yup, just because I am okay with him dying doesnít mean he is my first choice for death.

I would have preferred he died over no one.

Vote: raerae
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 14, 2019, 11:51:28 am
Did e crumb or was that a lucky hit?

If e crumbed then he misplayed so heavily I would suspect the real e got kidnapped. So, let's hope not.

DIDDS, I'M VOTING FOR YOU FOR THE FLIPFLOP ON YOUR NO LYNCH STANCE.
Also it sure is lucky that we didn't lynch D1 so we can now go on to build goo cases that incorporate knowledge we didn't have D1!

I mean, you can look at my wagon as if I was lynched: I know I will. Then you can take a long look at what the counterwagon was...oh I guess I didn't flip yet. But I did, in my heart, so I'll do this. I suppose it's not very useful for people that think I'm scum.


I'll need to write the votes, didn't do that yet. For now, the scummiest person is either Uncle or pubby. Not sure which. They're not saying much, uncle mostly at the beginning of D1 where pubby at the end.

PPE 1: Because?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 11:56:06 am
Vote: Pubby

Good mornin' peeps. Really wish we had gotten the MiX lynch through, I was sleeping by the time it got later in the day.

I'm a bit bummed.

And yet you vote for not MiX?

Yup, just because I am okay with him dying doesnít mean he is my first choice for death.

I would have preferred he died over no one.

Vote: raerae

So I am your first choice then?  What happened to pubby?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 14, 2019, 11:56:53 am
My night action was messed with.

Can you tell us more?

Probably a roleblocker or something.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 14, 2019, 12:27:46 pm
Vote: Uncle because I might not be active soonish and I want a vote out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 01:05:09 pm
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 14, 2019, 01:10:49 pm
Vote: Eddie
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 14, 2019, 01:14:23 pm
Nevermind. Vote: Pubby
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 14, 2019, 03:16:39 pm
I still think Europe is scum vote: europe
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 14, 2019, 03:29:43 pm
vote: mcmc
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 14, 2019, 04:25:19 pm
I still think Europe is scum
It's just a bunch of shithole countries.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 14, 2019, 04:30:01 pm
I still think Europe is scum
It's just a bunch of shithole countries.

!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 04:49:08 pm
I still think Europe is scum
It's just a bunch of shithole countries.

Ha!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 14, 2019, 05:02:31 pm
I still think Europe is scum
It's just a bunch of shithole countries.

Stole my joke.

Vote: Faust
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 14, 2019, 05:26:07 pm
Okay, regarding this little blitz wagon thingy, calm down people.

I am legitimately concerned now as to why people are this interested in me, because I was fairly sure the votes for me would blow over.

As to my Vote: raerae case:

I think that raerae's interactions with shraeye have been superbly bizarre, with an inordinate amount of buddying.

Couple that with my previous point regarding her seeming more passive than normal and it is enough for me to vote there.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 06:42:30 pm
Okay, regarding this little blitz wagon thingy, calm down people.

I am legitimately concerned now as to why people are this interested in me, because I was fairly sure the votes for me would blow over.

As to my Vote: raerae case:

I think that raerae's interactions with shraeye have been superbly bizarre, with an inordinate amount of buddying.

Couple that with my previous point regarding her seeming more passive than normal and it is enough for me to vote there.

So is he my partner?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 14, 2019, 06:51:43 pm
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie

why do you agree with mix?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 14, 2019, 06:51:58 pm
Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 14, 2019, 06:53:16 pm
My night action was messed with.

Can you tell us more?

Probably a roleblocker or something.

I mean... what did you think was gonna happen after you claimed the way you did?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 06:58:17 pm
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie

why do you agree with mix?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 14, 2019, 06:59:19 pm
Okay, regarding this little blitz wagon thingy, calm down people.

I am legitimately concerned now as to why people are this interested in me, because I was fairly sure the votes for me would blow over.

As to my Vote: raerae case:

I think that raerae's interactions with shraeye have been superbly bizarre, with an inordinate amount of buddying.

Couple that with my previous point regarding her seeming more passive than normal and it is enough for me to vote there.

So is he my partner?

Not necessarily.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 06:59:40 pm
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie

why do you agree with mix?

Well, I donít know why because he generally befuddles me. But Eddie and pubby are my biggest scumreads. That also seems to agree to Awa. Also befuddling.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 06:59:55 pm
Where is Shraeye??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 14, 2019, 07:05:17 pm
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie

why do you agree with mix?

Well, I donít know why because he generally befuddles me. But Eddie and pubby are my biggest scumreads. That also seems to agree to Awa. Also befuddling.

How do you feel about Faust?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 07:10:02 pm
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie

why do you agree with mix?

Well, I donít know why because he generally befuddles me. But Eddie and pubby are my biggest scumreads. That also seems to agree to Awa. Also befuddling.

How do you feel about Faust?

Heís in the middle of my list. How do you feel about him?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 07:46:22 pm
Where is Shraeye??

#finalsweek
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 07:48:33 pm
Where is Shraeye??

#finalsweek

The struggle is real
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 14, 2019, 09:03:49 pm
Swan! I was just on a walk and saw a REAL LIVE OWL! It was in a tree. Then it flew away. It was amazing!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 14, 2019, 09:28:35 pm
Meh I feel like nothing was gained from yesterday.

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 09:59:06 pm
Okay, regarding this little blitz wagon thingy, calm down people.

I am legitimately concerned now as to why people are this interested in me, because I was fairly sure the votes for me would blow over.

As to my Vote: raerae case:

I think that raerae's interactions with shraeye have been superbly bizarre, with an inordinate amount of buddying.

Couple that with my previous point regarding her seeming more passive than normal and it is enough for me to vote there.

So is he my partner?

Not necessarily.

So you think he's town?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:00:08 pm
Meh I feel like nothing was gained from yesterday.

Vote: MiX

So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 14, 2019, 10:00:48 pm
Where is Shraeye??

Mental fatigue from finals is real.  I know you feel me.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 14, 2019, 10:12:54 pm
I'll show up soon; I'm brewing some hot theories, and hoping they pan out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 14, 2019, 10:15:08 pm
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 14, 2019, 10:25:13 pm
My night action was messed with.

Can you tell us more?

Probably a roleblocker or something.

I mean... what did you think was gonna happen after you claimed the way you did?

Why do you think I was trying to push the plan through without claiming at first?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 14, 2019, 10:34:09 pm
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.

Well then you didn't read the start of this day very closely.

But accusing me of something hardly answers the question I asked.  Do you honestly not have a single town or scum read?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 14, 2019, 11:47:48 pm
My night action was messed with.

Can you tell us more?

Probably a roleblocker or something.

I mean... what did you think was gonna happen after you claimed the way you did?

Why do you think I was trying to push the plan through without claiming at first?

I mean thatís fair point... Although you also didnít really claim anything either. Which is kind of my initial point.

Letís say you and i were switched - would you not be suspicious of me?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 01:15:59 am
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie

why do you agree with mix?

Well, I donít know why because he generally befuddles me. But Eddie and pubby are my biggest scumreads. That also seems to agree to Awa. Also befuddling.

How do you feel about Faust?

Heís in the middle of my list. How do you feel about him?

Samsies
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 01:19:02 am
My night action was messed with.

Can you tell us more?

Probably a roleblocker or something.

I mean... what did you think was gonna happen after you claimed the way you did?

Why do you think I was trying to push the plan through without claiming at first?

Assume everyone else claims not VT. Who Is at the bottom of your list?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 01:19:22 am
My night action was messed with.

Can you tell us more?

Probably a roleblocker or something.

I mean... what did you think was gonna happen after you claimed the way you did?

Why do you think I was trying to push the plan through without claiming at first?

Assume everyone else claims not VT. Who Is at the bottom of your list?
Not VFD*
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 01:20:51 am
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.

Well then you didn't read the start of this day very closely.

But accusing me of something hardly answers the question I asked.  Do you honestly not have a single town or scum read?

Hold on Rae Iím lazy and have forgotten - weíre you for or against a no lynch based on lack or reads?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 01:21:44 am
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.

Well then you didn't read the start of this day very closely.

But accusing me of something hardly answers the question I asked.  Do you honestly not have a single town or scum read?

Hold on Rae Iím lazy and have forgotten - weíre you for or against a no lynch based on lack or reads?

Lack of reads **
Sorry on my phone
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 01:23:25 am
Meh I feel like nothing was gained from yesterday.

Vote: MiX

So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?

What did you gain from yesterday? I am so eager tp Hear your insights
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 01:30:50 am
We collectively fucked up and/or were manipulated by skum yesterday. A day 1 no lynch always favors skum.
IDC whonmade
The game, or how town messed up a game in the past, where
A no lynch could been argued to of been the cure.... itís all dumb. We effed up.


While the votes of MiX matter less because of the havoc of eod... that lynch also did not happen. I think MiX is a good choice.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 02:26:45 am
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie
So yesterday you felt strongly enough about MiX to give up your no lynch stance and vote for him... and now you're joining him in voting for the opposing wagon?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 02:27:15 am
Heís in the middle of my list. How do you feel about him?

Vote: WCD
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 02:39:19 am
Okay, what's the case on me? Are people voting me because they wanted to lynch me before?

@Eddie, what do you think of shraeye?

@pubby, why are you voting me? Why do you share nothing? You look scummy for no reason for this, but I feel like it all has a towny explanation...

What are the Didds votes based on? Wishywashy voting? I forgot what Didds' scum tell was, but I think it was tunnelling, not this.


Proactive thought: Awaclus is agressively gaining townpoints and I think this makes him incredibly town, scum!Awaclus wouldn't be this brazen IMO.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 03:22:53 am
What are the Didds votes based on? Wishywashy voting? I forgot what Didds' scum tell was, but I think it was tunnelling, not this.
I think Didds should have an opinion on me. That she claims she doesn't is quite scummy.

Proactive thought: Awaclus is agressively gaining townpoints and I think this makes him incredibly town, scum!Awaclus wouldn't be this brazen IMO.
I don't think anything Awaclus has done so far has helped town win, more like the opposite.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 05:08:57 am
Vote: MiX

Are you voting me for the reason I think you're voting me?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 15, 2019, 05:41:24 am
I don't think anything Awaclus has done so far has helped town win, more like the opposite.

I did manage to draw the roleblock.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 05:51:54 am
I don't think anything Awaclus has done so far has helped town win, more like the opposite.

I did manage to draw the roleblock.
I mean if you think it is better that you are roleblocked than some other random townie, that is fine I suppose... though I am not sure why you made all that fuss in the first place if your role is worse than average.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 05:53:29 am
And it's not like that could have been the original plan unless you somehow knew that scum had a Roleblocker.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 15, 2019, 05:55:37 am
Why do you think this conversation helps town more than scum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 06:01:57 am
Why do you think this conversation helps town more than scum?
I did not start this, and everything I said that might give scum an advantage is inferred from a post that you made. Since you made that post, I assumed you are either scum or town who decided it's worth it to have this conversation. In both cases it helps town to have the conversation.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 15, 2019, 06:07:35 am
Whatever. I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the fact that faust was one of the main opponents of the plan, and the opposition to the plan forced me to claim yesterday and now I got roleblocked because of it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 06:14:18 am
Whatever. I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the fact that faust was one of the main opponents of the plan, and the opposition to the plan forced me to claim yesterday and now I got roleblocked because of it.

Didn't faust first propose a claiming plan that you agreed with? I'll need ro reread what he thought about ADK's plan.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 06:18:15 am
Whatever. I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the fact that faust was one of the main opponents of the plan, and the opposition to the plan forced me to claim yesterday and now I got roleblocked because of it.

Didn't faust first propose a claiming plan that you agreed with? I'll need ro reread what he thought about ADK's plan.
I proposed a claiming plan where everyone would claim VFD/non-VFD. Then ADK said Baudelaires must not claim VFD. Then I concluded that given this a claiming plan is probably not worth it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 06:21:17 am
I reread a little: pubby's push for Awaclus to "reveal more" is extremely consistent with the roleblock.

Vote: pubby

PPE 1: The plan should get better with no Baudelaires claiming VFD, but now that I think about it I don't think I ever directly compared the 2. Eh, probably doesn't matter now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 15, 2019, 06:48:45 am
It messes with my mind when I agree with MiX

Vote: Eddie
So yesterday you felt strongly enough about MiX to give up your no lynch stance and vote for him... and now you're joining him in voting for the opposing wagon?

You were there....you know how it was...it was an opposing wagon, but it was too late to make it go by the time I got up. On Sunday morning, it was either MiX or no lynch. Eddie had a wagon, but the the people who were still sleeping were on MiX, so they werenít going to be able to switch to Eddie. At the time, I liked the Eddie wagon more, but it was always a lost cause. We had a chance with MiX. I see that I was part of the problem by not voting sooner, but Saturday was a bear (graduation and all of its festivities) and life, so, yeah, I messed up.

Also, I did a reread from the start during the night and now I have a list of where I see everyone. Pubby and Eddie are at the top. You are number 5.

I might not be playing well, but Iím not being wishywashy.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 07:09:33 am
Also, I did a reread from the start during the night and now I have a list of where I see everyone. Pubby and Eddie are at the top. You are number 5.
Just so we're clear, nothing has happened since that made you reevaluate this?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 07:58:42 am
Vote: WCD

These are some fairly strong opinions coming from Didds without a lot of reasoning.


@MiX: I wonít be voting Shraeye over raerae if I can avoid it.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 08:02:49 am
Vote: WCD

These are some fairly strong opinions coming from Didds without a lot of reasoning.
Which opinions are that?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 08:14:48 am
Vote: WCD

These are some fairly strong opinions coming from Didds without a lot of reasoning.
Which opinions are that?

A ranking of scum reads. Seems out of character.

Why, are you seeing that behavior as normal? Because it looks to me that you are voting for her.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 08:25:15 am
Vote: WCD

These are some fairly strong opinions coming from Didds without a lot of reasoning.
Which opinions are that?

A ranking of scum reads. Seems out of character.

Why, are you seeing that behavior as normal? Because it looks to me that you are voting for her.
I'm still confused about what a ranking of scumreads has to do with having a strong opinion. And clearly I was voting for WCD before she told us of her ranking, so why do you suggest that this had anything to do with why I voted?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 15, 2019, 08:33:48 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 15, 2019, 08:36:19 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

His sounds like a good idea and something I will try to get to at lunch.

Didds is acting less towny then she normally does. MiX is acting similar to his town self, awaclus is becoming less towny but I had him at pretty towny before not sure where Iím at with that.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 15, 2019, 08:46:51 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 08:51:06 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?

Baudelaire hunting. Consider my IC pass on you revoked.

@Eddie, saying shraeye's not your top scumread doesn't tell me something new, can you actually answer my question?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 08:54:13 am
Vote: WCD

These are some fairly strong opinions coming from Didds without a lot of reasoning.
Which opinions are that?

A ranking of scum reads. Seems out of character.

Why, are you seeing that behavior as normal? Because it looks to me that you are voting for her.
I'm still confused about what a ranking of scumreads has to do with having a strong opinion. And clearly I was voting for WCD before she told us of her ranking, so why do you suggest that this had anything to do with why I voted?

Well they are stronger opinions than I recollect Didds voicing in the past.

Being like ďoh, and you are number 5Ē seems like a strangely artificial way to conduct scumhunting.


Iím just wondering if you are seeing scumminess there or if she is towny to you regarding scum rankings? And if she is seeming towny why are you voting for her now? And if she is scummy then why pester me about it?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 08:57:09 am
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.

Well then you didn't read the start of this day very closely.

But accusing me of something hardly answers the question I asked.  Do you honestly not have a single town or scum read?

Hold on Rae Iím lazy and have forgotten - weíre you for or against a no lynch based on lack or reads?

For, I didn't have any strong scum reads but my main objection was how terrible last minute lunches have been for town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 08:57:42 am
@Didds, when you said "you're number 5" when talking about faust, were you being literal?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 08:59:19 am
I don't think anything Awaclus has done so far has helped town win, more like the opposite.

I did manage to draw the roleblock.

Why do you feel confident that it was a roleblock now but you weren't too pages ago?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 09:00:28 am
And if she is scummy then why pester me about it?
This is such a ridiculous question that I don't even know where to begin. Like, if I find her scummy, should I take that as a given and evaluate all other players based on the assumption that she is scum? No, that is terrible scumhunting.

I have seen your other questions and I choose not to answer them now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 09:01:36 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?

Baudelaire hunting. Consider my IC pass on you revoked.

@Eddie, saying shraeye's not your top scumread doesn't tell me something new, can you actually answer my question?

MiX, I swear, just let people answer the questions asked of them. ADK wanted Ash to talk.

And I did answer your question, albeit indirectly. My read on Shraeye is currently tied to raerae in the way that I would be more partial to raerae dying. Her behavior seems like buddying, and buddying that is focused on a player who she theoretically would be worried about being scumread from and who she normally does the opposite of buddying with.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 15, 2019, 09:03:14 am
I don't think anything Awaclus has done so far has helped town win, more like the opposite.

I did manage to draw the roleblock.

Why do you feel confident that it was a roleblock now but you weren't too pages ago?

My level of confidence that it was a roleblock, whatever it might be, has not changed between now and last page.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 09:04:21 am
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.

Well then you didn't read the start of this day very closely.

But accusing me of something hardly answers the question I asked.  Do you honestly not have a single town or scum read?

Hold on Rae Iím lazy and have forgotten - weíre you for or against a no lynch based on lack or reads?

For, I didn't have any strong scum reads but my main objection was how terrible last minute lunches have been for town.

Arenít you currently voting for one of the leading wagons from yesterday?

Wouldnít it have been nicer for you if they died yesterday?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 09:06:41 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?

Baudelaire hunting. Consider my IC pass on you revoked.

@Eddie, saying shraeye's not your top scumread doesn't tell me something new, can you actually answer my question?

MiX, I swear, just let people answer the questions asked of them. ADK wanted Ash to talk.

And I did answer your question, albeit indirectly. My read on Shraeye is currently tied to raerae in the way that I would be more partial to raerae dying. Her behavior seems like buddying, and buddying that is focused on a player who she theoretically would be worried about being scumread from and who she normally does the opposite of buddying with.

Wait a second, why am I more worried about shraeye scumreading me than anybody else? Frankly, faust has a better record of reading me correctly lately. And how is having a townread buddying?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 09:07:58 am
Wait a second, why am I more worried about shraeye scumreading me than anybody else? Frankly, faust has a better record of reading me correctly lately. And how is having a townread buddying?
Want to start buddying me then? That would certainly be new and interesting!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 09:09:04 am
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.

Well then you didn't read the start of this day very closely.

But accusing me of something hardly answers the question I asked.  Do you honestly not have a single town or scum read?

Hold on Rae Iím lazy and have forgotten - weíre you for or against a no lynch based on lack or reads?

For, I didn't have any strong scum reads but my main objection was how terrible last minute lunches have been for town.

Arenít you currently voting for one of the leading wagons from yesterday?

Wouldnít it have been nicer for you if they died yesterday?

I'm voting for Didds, I wouldn't call her wagon yesterday "leading" in any way and I didn't have a scumread on her until EOD when she flipped to a MiX lunch so no, not nicer.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 09:10:18 am
Wait a second, why am I more worried about shraeye scumreading me than anybody else? Frankly, faust has a better record of reading me correctly lately. And how is having a townread buddying?
Want to start buddying me then? That would certainly be new and interesting!

Aren't we so much better when we're at each other's throats but fighting for the same cause??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 09:12:14 am
So you don't have a single read off, what, 20 pages of posts?  Really?  Ya got nothin'?
I should be asking you the same! The only vote I've seen from you is no lynch.

Well then you didn't read the start of this day very closely.

But accusing me of something hardly answers the question I asked.  Do you honestly not have a single town or scum read?

Hold on Rae Iím lazy and have forgotten - weíre you for or against a no lynch based on lack or reads?

For, I didn't have any strong scum reads but my main objection was how terrible last minute lunches have been for town.

Arenít you currently voting for one of the leading wagons from yesterday?

Wouldnít it have been nicer for you if they died yesterday?

I'm voting for Didds, I wouldn't call her wagon yesterday "leading" in any way and I didn't have a scumread on her until EOD when she flipped to a MiX lunch so no, not nicer.

Right, sorry, I genuinely couldnít remember who you were voting for, thought it was MiX. (Ah, memories...)

A vote count would be helpful...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 15, 2019, 09:14:46 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?

Baudelaire hunting. Consider my IC pass on you revoked.

@Eddie, saying shraeye's not your top scumread doesn't tell me something new, can you actually answer my question?

My point was that ash was asking people to speculate about something that's dangerous to speculate about, while also not putting forth any opinion himself.

Also I'm not following this faust/raerae fight like at all, I'll try and catch up here sometime soon but my activity will be low until tomorrow (irl)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 09:16:07 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?

Baudelaire hunting. Consider my IC pass on you revoked.

@Eddie, saying shraeye's not your top scumread doesn't tell me something new, can you actually answer my question?

My point was that ash was asking people to speculate about something that's dangerous to speculate about, while also not putting forth any opinion himself.

Also I'm not following this faust/raerae fight like at all, I'll try and catch up here sometime soon but my activity will be low until tomorrow (irl)

I'll help you out with that, we aren't fighting, nothing to follow.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 10:47:59 am
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?

Baudelaire hunting. Consider my IC pass on you revoked.

@Eddie, saying shraeye's not your top scumread doesn't tell me something new, can you actually answer my question?

My point was that ash was asking people to speculate about something that's dangerous to speculate about, while also not putting forth any opinion himself.

Withdrawn, that makes perfect sense.

And I did answer your question, albeit indirectly. My read on Shraeye is currently tied to raerae in the way that I would be more partial to raerae dying. Her behavior seems like buddying, and buddying that is focused on a player who she theoretically would be worried about being scumread from and who she normally does the opposite of buddying with.

"My read on shraeye is" followed by your read on raerae...I have no idea what you think of shraeye.

Can we get a vote count?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 11:03:44 am
Seriously? Not even an inking about my opinions of shraeye?

Because if you ask me to restate my reads on shraeye they will look very similar to what I already said.

My read on him is tied to her, based on her interactions with him. I told you how I am reading the interactions, that should tell you how I am reading him AND her.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 11:06:49 am
Seriously? Not even an inkinginkling about my opinions of shraeye?

Because if you ask me to restate my reads on shraeye they will look very similar to what I already said.

My read on him is tied to her, based on her interactions with him. I told you how I am reading the interactions, that should tell you how I am reading him AND her.

Ehhh, fixed it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 15, 2019, 11:13:39 am
@Didds, when you said "you're number 5" when talking about faust, were you being literal?

Eh, not really. I went through the day and made notes and then clumped people in scummy, less scummy, kind of towny, and towny chunks. Faust is in a middle chunk. 5-ish out of 12.

But that was based on D1. Iím teaching today so Iím a bit behind on reading D2.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 15, 2019, 11:15:23 am
In reply to Eddie and Swan (maybe...on my phone)
It is very towny and predictable of me to reread and try to make assessments based on that.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 15, 2019, 11:25:08 am
"I'm sorry that you lost both of your parents and your brother," sneers Vice Principal Nero, "But that's no excuse for missing my violin recital. I'm afraid It's going to be detention for both of you."

"Maybe you should focus on finding Count Olaf instead of-" Violet begins, but the Principal cuts her off.

"I told you already," he says, we have a very sophisticated computer keeping Count Olaf and he friends at bay."

"THIS IS NOT COUNT OLAF" says the computer.

"Blabrabubla*" babbles Sunny.

_____

*translation: Maybe you should use that computer to do a vote count every once in a while
 

Voting - Fairly Delayed 2.1

WestCoastDidds (3): raerae, faust, UncleEurope
MiX (3): A Drowned Kernel, DatSwan, pubby
UncleEurope (2): mcmcsalot, WestCoastDidds
pubby (2): Awaclus, MiX

Not voting (2): shraeye, ashersky

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch most players. Day 2 will end at 10:00 AM FT on May 19th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 11:26:31 am
So...shraeye buddied shraeye too? Or do you think raerae would buddy her scum partner? Or is shraeye buddying raerae? Or is it that you didn't like the No Lynch plan and shraeye also pushed it? No I don't understand what your shraeye read is, it feels like "raerae is scummy so shraeye has to be too because shraeyeye is a fun thing" which is weird at best. Can you quote when you said your opinion on shraeye?

PPE 2
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 15, 2019, 11:34:19 am
So...shraeye buddied shraeye too?

Yes, that is what happened.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 11:47:54 am
So...shraeye buddied shraeye too? Or do you think raerae would buddy her scum partner? Or is shraeye buddying raerae? Or is it that you didn't like the No Lynch plan and shraeye also pushed it? No I don't understand what your shraeye read is, it feels like "raerae is scummy so shraeye has to be too because shraeyeye is a fun thing" which is weird at best. Can you quote when you said your opinion on shraeye?

PPE 2

No, it's your turn now, what's your read on shraeye?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 12:00:42 pm
I am fairly certain WCD is supposed to be voting me, btw.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 12:03:36 pm
Vote: MiX

Are you voting me for the reason I think you're voting me?

Can i have a hint?
Cuz right now i would assume not.
But i could be wrong in a far off world
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 15, 2019, 12:05:02 pm
I am fairly certain WCD is supposed to be voting me, btw.

You are correct. There were two votes for you right in a row and I missed hers. Joth will edit when he has time.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 12:10:22 pm
Null-to-scummy, mostly null because I have no idea how to read shraeye anymore. A bunch of towny things, like pushing ash, some scummy, like the way he pushed for no lynch and my general gut read on him. Why do you ask? And why do you keep dodging my question?

So, does no one else see pubby as scummy other than "I'm never alone on a wagon" Awaclus? Sad.

Vote: MiX

Are you voting me for the reason I think you're voting me?

Can i have a hint?
Cuz right now i would assume not.
But i could be wrong in a far off world

I see, thank you for your kind answer. Why are you voting for me then?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 12:15:44 pm
See, I feel like I am taking the question to the forehead every time, but you keep saying I am dodging it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 12:44:37 pm
Ok, summarizing my thoughts.

-raerae/shraeye/shraerae: I definitely noticed her townreading me yesterday when (based on how I had been playing) I expected her not too.  Super odd; I thought deeply about it and have come to the conclusion that she literally knows I'm town.  Now you might argue "that's because all scum know who town is", but you would be wrong.  So, I'm not sure if I've buddied her yet, but consider this hardcore buddying.  If you have any reason to believe I'm town, believe that raerae is town.  And vice-versa.

- faust: gloating does not look good on you, man.  First, it's gross. Second, it's wrong and unwarrented.
You're saying you expect Baudelair deaths to be coming in like hotcakes?  No chance that they can stay hidden through the extra 0.3 days a no lynch gains?
I stand by my sentiment here; scum got lucky.  I still don't expect Boudler deaths to come streaming in.  If this is the way scum win, only a perfect town game would beat them.  So I'm not playing to that possibility obviously.
Also it sure is lucky that we didn't lynch D1 so we can now go on to build goo cases that incorporate knowledge we didn't have D1!
This one is scummy man.  Scummy and wrong.  Why, in the name of all things sacred, do you pretend that nobody is dead and no info is out there?

-Awaclus
Bummer you got messed with.  DatSwan said "what do you expect?" But he (and we) should be asking why you and not ADK?  My impression was you had a role that wanted to target non-VFD and ADK wanted to target VFD.  As scum, I'm a bit more worried about ADK I think?  But I don't know.  I think you getting roleblocked might raise my interest in ADK who now changes from 100%-town to 96%-town.  It raises my interest in DatSwan as well; who ignored ADK.
I think DatSwan/ADK are on the townier side of life, but if one of them ever flips scum the other's pass disappears instantly.

But also, I instinctively trusted Awa's claim less than ADK's.  So part of my brain says "of course it was messed with, it never existed!". 
Long story made short: this information makes me more interested in Awa, DatSwan, and ADK, all of whom probably still are on the towny side of my reads-list  So I've said a lot of words that mean nothing in the end, but I think they are important points and I'm interested in people's reactions to all those ideas.

sorry for the formatting, please snip what you want to respond to.  More incoming.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 12:58:45 pm
After that post, I'll be genually surprised if we win this game. This is because no one will follow me on

Vote: shraeye because if I talk about it everything is ruined even further. Except one thing.

@shraeye, why did you mention Swan so much?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 01:03:22 pm
-pubby
It seems that almost everybody is his partner to me; which makes me realize I really think he's scum. 
Uncle's first post looked laughably scummy, obvious partner
pubby pushed Awaclus hard on claim, but not ADK.  ADK's another partner
MiX scumread pubby for a second, literally gave assurance that it was towny anyway, then voted for pubby 4 posts later.  Partner, duh.
I could not remember a single instance of faust/pubby interaction.  A cursory search of fausts posts confirm this.  PARTNER.

Well, I clearly can't be right about all those partners.  But when my subconsious is that active on a player I listen.  He also features in at least one other scumhunting result (because, stuff happened yesterday that's worth analyzing despite everybody else's insistence).

My current call for a team is pubby/faust/Uncle.  I could see Uncle being swapped for ash there (I know I know, he's not even one of pubby's "partners".  sue me)

Well, thats enough for now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 01:07:04 pm
@shraeye, why did you mention Swan so much?
I'm pretty sure I mentioned ADK's name more times there.  DatSwan features in the Awa/DatSwan/ADK group because he was pestering Awa about it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 01:09:04 pm
Sorry, crazy day today. Iíve read everything so far, find the no lynch crowd to be problematic. Anyone for kill analysis?

Do you have any thoughts on the kill?

Baudelaire hunting. Consider my IC pass on you revoked.

@Eddie, saying shraeye's not your top scumread doesn't tell me something new, can you actually answer my question?
Mix, stop it.  Thoughts on the kill are crucial.  Remember how everybody is crying because we have "no info".  THATS the info we have, use it.  It is not Boudlair hunting.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 01:17:09 pm
After further review I withdraw my previous statement. Sorry, but I like giving reactions when they're hot.

Vote: pubby again.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 15, 2019, 01:52:49 pm
Lunch break! I reread e to see if I saw any hint he was a Baudelaire.

I got nothing... but here are the highlights (there are only 23 posts, total)

82- votes Awaclus for following the plan
He has a fairly long post at #93 analyzing the claiming plan
95- votes pubby
96- recommends town not fake anything
347, 353, 356 argues with raerae about no lynch (he thinks its a bad idea)
348- pubby is scum, but will move his vote to lynch
411- votes MiX

So, I am not sure how he was anything but a lucky shot. Pubby was his most long-lasting read...and maybe the one that got him killed? So, vote: pubby
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 15, 2019, 02:01:56 pm
In reply to Eddie and Swan (maybe...on my phone)
It is very towny and predictable of me to reread and try to make assessments based on that.

Not I my good lady - i have been TRing you the entire game.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 02:20:03 pm
So E.

I've check out votes D1.  Interesting stuff.

My theory is that E was shot at because he didn't have many interactions or very prominent ones.  Scum is trying to lean into "no lynch gives no info" by killing an unknown entity.  So this makes me ask two questions
1) Who was unknown (aka, who should've been on their "target list")?
2) who's leaning into the "oh shucks, why'd they kill E now theres NO INFORMATION?" angle.

My heart wants to think that conclusions from #2 will be more informative, but this gets confounded with stuff like "how against no-lynch are you?".   So I'm focusing way more on #1.

Here is my table of info:
name   | votes cast  |    votes received
ADK           9                        3
ash            2                        8
Awacl         6                        5
DatSwan    2                         4
E               3                        3
faust         5                        1
mcmc         4                        1
MiX            11                       10
pubby         4                        5
raerae         6                        2
shraeye       4                        7
Uncle         8                        7
WCD          4                         5

Looking at this list, DatSwan, E, faust, mcmc, pubby, raerae are on the low end.

But more important than these raw numbers is some context.  Like, how many of those votes are RVS? How many were in scramble time?  Also, these columns don't add up because some votes went to no-lynch.  Ok.  Let's break it down more.  Also, remember when UncleEurope voted for two people in the same post (twice).  I do, because I had to decide how to classify it. (I treated those 4 votes as 1 for E, 1 for pubby, 1 for shraeye)

So I've decided that post #70 is the "last RVS (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19658.msg799659#msg799659)" even though I gave one later.  And I had a hard time deciding where "scramble" came into play.  I want to say #370 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19658.msg800371#msg800371) when WCD put nolynch to 4 votes.  All of this has implications unfortunately, but onto Step 2.

R means RVS, M means main, S means scramble

name   | votes cast  |    votes received
             R    M    S           R    M     S
ADK       1     6    2           2    1     0
ash        0     1    1           0    7     1           
Awacl     1     4    1           0    5     0
DatSwan 0    1    1           0    3     1
E            0    2    1           0    3     0
faust       0    3    2           0    1     0
mcmc     0     2    2           1    0     0
MiX         1    7    3           0    3     7
pubby     1     1    2           1    3     0
raerae     0     5    0           1    1     0
shraeye   0     4    0           0    6     1
Uncle      1     5    1           0    1     6
WCD       0     2    2           0    5     0

I know some people will notice issues, or disagree with my classifications.  But I hope you can all see that this is just meant to be a proxy for "interactions".  For example, faust and raerae have a medium number of votes given, a very low number received.  But I don't think anybody in the thread would have found a faust or a raerae death "uninformative".

I see three players who contributed very little in Main-phase: ash, DatSwan, pubby.  WCD, mcmc, E are right outside that group.
Four players got virtually no heat: ADK, faust, mcmc, raerae.  Just outside that bubble are E, pubby, DatSwan.

Common to both lists: DatSwan, pubby, mcmc, E.  So now I'm trying to recall what these players contributed.  My recollection was pubby < mcmc < E < DatSwan.  This recollection is the alluded-to reason (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19658.msg800801#msg800801) that people acting weird near pubby instantly became his "partner"

So the question we all need to seriously ask ourselves is "was there a compelling reason to shoot at E instead of {pubby, mcmc, DatSwan}.  A very compelling reason would be "well they are on our team and we don't want to shoot them."  I think pubby in particular needs to be looked at.
New player in these games, very little meta to work with, very little framework to interpret the few interactions he did have.  That would have been a VERY GOOD "deny town info" nightkill.
Second guess, DatSwan.  This comes from the implications of my cut-offs earlier.  One of the votes for DatSwan in the main-phase was me, and that was an RVS vote (a joke about how plans have "wasted" our time and we can finally start).  He votes me back, in what felt like a continuation of that joke.  So in my mind I see DatSwan as having even fewer votes than that table shows.

Adding to this pubby's insistance that Day1 gave us no info
Meh I feel like nothing was gained from yesterday.

Vote: MiX

And all of that is worth
vote: pubby
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 02:27:03 pm
Also interesting.  E voted pubby, and the only main-phase vote that pubby cast was against E.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 15, 2019, 02:28:34 pm
In reply to Eddie and Swan (maybe...on my phone)
It is very towny and predictable of me to reread and try to make assessments based on that.

Not I my good lady - i have been TRing you the entire game.

Ah, sorry. Good catch.
On a computer now....It was Eddie and Mcmc who said I was being uncharacteristic by having reads. But it's not. Reading, like cake, is something I do well. :)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 02:35:00 pm
After that post, I'll be genually surprised if we win this game. This is because no one will follow me on

Vote: shraeye because if I talk about it everything is ruined even further. Except one thing.

@shraeye, why did you mention Swan so much?

Explain your case in shraeye again, please?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 02:38:25 pm
After that post, I'll be genually surprised if we win this game. This is because no one will follow me on

Vote: shraeye because if I talk about it everything is ruined even further. Except one thing.

@shraeye, why did you mention Swan so much?

Explain your case in shraeye again, please?

I'd rather he not.  I find it moot because he said he withdrew his statement.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 02:40:51 pm
After that post, I'll be genually surprised if we win this game. This is because no one will follow me on

Vote: shraeye because if I talk about it everything is ruined even further. Except one thing.

@shraeye, why did you mention Swan so much?

Explain your case in shraeye again, please?

I'd rather he not.  I find it moot because he said he withdrew his statement.

I wasn't caught up at that point.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 02:43:22 pm
name   | votes cast  |    votes received
MiX            11                       10

Double digits! I win!


Overall this post is...a really big ball of effort. And valuing Uncle's "double votes" as a real vote, twice, seems more of a partner interaction than your examples of such with pubby.

You're also missing that pubby is a new player, thus it's nice to have him around, not to mention he was fairly scummy. I don't agree with every reasoning here, but the "oh noez there's no info" makes sense.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 02:55:34 pm
I'm definitely not forgetting that pubby is a new player.  That factors in my reasons for voting him.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 02:58:04 pm
re double-votes.  I'd say Uncles votes constitute at least a Finger-of-suspicion on E and myself.  Hence interaction.  Hence, it counts.

As I said, disagreeing with which votes go where doesn't really address the main point of my analysis, which is to get a proxy measure for "how much info does this death give?"
Unless you think my sorting is wildly wrong enough that a whole different conclusion should have been reached.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 15, 2019, 03:06:33 pm
re double-votes.  I'd say Uncles votes constitute at least a Finger-of-suspicion on E and myself.  Hence interaction.  Hence, it counts.

As I said, disagreeing with which votes go where doesn't really address the main point of my analysis, which is to get a proxy measure for "how much info does this death give?"
Unless you think my sorting is wildly wrong enough that a whole different conclusion should have been reached.

Just that Eddie would only be voting once in Main if you don't count those. But given that he wouldn't enter the combined list (I looked closer) I guess it doesn't make sense for you to do so intentionally.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 04:03:25 pm
vote: pubby
That was a lot of posting just to end up with an uninspired vote.

I think the whole premise of asking "why e?" is just a bit... misguided? Last time stats were made, e was the most nightkilled player on f.ds. There's lots of reasons for scum to vote for him, not the least that he's a good player. I don't believe "denying town information" was ever the main driver behind any nightkill. And I think voting pubby for not being nigtkilled is just plain bad reasoning. Of course he wasn't nightkilled, he's a newbie, newbies don't get nightkilled.

That said, shraeye is probably town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 04:04:04 pm
vote: pubby
That was a lot of posting just to end up with an uninspired vote.

I think the whole premise of asking "why e?" is just a bit... misguided? Last time stats were made, e was the most nightkilled player on f.ds. There's lots of reasons for scum to vote forkill him, not the least that he's a good player. I don't believe "denying town information" was ever the main driver behind any nightkill. And I think voting pubby for not being nigtkilled is just plain bad reasoning. Of course he wasn't nightkilled, he's a newbie, newbies don't get nightkilled.

That said, shraeye is probably town.
EBWOP
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 15, 2019, 04:06:18 pm
Seriously? Not even an inking about my opinions of shraeye?
I am from now on going to assume that MiX has Eddie's read on shraeye tattooed across his chest.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 15, 2019, 04:09:28 pm
I am somehow completely unsurprised that faust disagrees with my analysis.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 15, 2019, 04:34:48 pm
Shraeye can you explain your pubby read, I feel like a just read a ton of stuff that assumes pubby is scum and goes from there. Iím cool with hat, I do that when Iím convinced someones scum but I must have missed the original conclusion that pubby is scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 15, 2019, 05:08:53 pm
Seriously? Not even an inking about my opinions of shraeye?
I am from now on going to assume that MiX has Eddie's read on shraeye tattooed across his chest.

That explains why he canít read it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 15, 2019, 05:14:29 pm
When the game ends and shraeyeís long ďD1 voting breakdown in regards to the E killĒ thing turns out to have been done during N1 to decide his scum teamís kill, it will be amazing.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 05:57:30 pm
When the game ends and shraeyeís long ďD1 voting breakdown in regards to the E killĒ thing turns out to have been done during N1 to decide his scum teamís kill, it will be amazing.

Did you get anything out of D1?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 07:02:48 pm
I have more scumreads!  I'm gonna keep 'em secret for a minute (faust, aren't you proud?).  In the meantime...

unvote.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 15, 2019, 07:54:08 pm
I could not remember a single instance of faust/pubby interaction.
Heh check the first post you made in day 1. You told me my reads of Faust were all wrong.

Also shraeye, I don't understand the comment about me pushing for "hard claims", nor do I understand why you blindly support Awaclus but deride me for questioning him. Read the thread again. Here's a summary what happened:

Awaclus: If everyone mass claims volunteer it strongly helps town.
Pubby: I don't agree. Explain why.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 15, 2019, 08:16:06 pm
I have more scumreads!  I'm gonna keep 'em secret for a minute (faust, aren't you proud?).  In the meantime...

unvote.

Bated breath! Bated breath!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 15, 2019, 10:35:58 pm
When the game ends and shraeyeís long ďD1 voting breakdown in regards to the E killĒ thing turns out to have been done during N1 to decide his scum teamís kill, it will be amazing.

Did you get anything out of D1?

Not particularly. It was short, a lot of the day was volunteer plan talk, no lynch gave us limited info (mostly on stances regarding D1 no lynch). I think some might info our a quicklynch might be useful.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 15, 2019, 11:47:33 pm
I could not remember a single instance of faust/pubby interaction.
Heh check the first post you made in day 1. You told me my reads of Faust were all wrong.

Also shraeye, I don't understand the comment about me pushing for "hard claims", nor do I understand why you blindly support Awaclus but deride me for questioning him. Read the thread again. Here's a summary what happened:

Awaclus: If everyone mass claims volunteer it strongly helps town.
Pubby: I don't agree. Explain why.

Hey, you still haven't confirmed or denied whether or not you have reads from D1. Just a reminder  :)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 16, 2019, 12:30:14 am
I could not remember a single instance of faust/pubby interaction.
Heh check the first post you made in day 1. You told me my reads of Faust were all wrong.

Also shraeye, I don't understand the comment about me pushing for "hard claims", nor do I understand why you blindly support Awaclus but deride me for questioning him. Read the thread again. Here's a summary what happened:

Awaclus: If everyone mass claims volunteer it strongly helps town.
Pubby: I don't agree. Explain why.


A) I love it when the defense is scummier than the accusation. 

shraeye: it's pretty strange that faust/pubby haven't interacted.  it makes me feel like they are partners. (I say in a post that also claims 4 other people are his partners)
pubby: NO WE TOTALLY INTERACTED, 6 HOURS INTO THE GAME I SAID HE WAS SCUM, AND YOU SAID I WAS WRONG. (by the way, please don't notice that it was one line in a big post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19658.msg799662#msg799662), and that I completely ignored faust from that point forward)

B) Also, why are you charging up this language?  "hard claim"?  blind support?  deriding?
B1) The Awaclus conversation was this: (actual quotes)
"I don't want to reveal everything that I know about the subject"
"Ehhh I think you need to reveal more."
B2) I'm not blind supporting Awaclus. 
B3) I'm not deriding, I'm scumreading.  It's different.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 02:36:29 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 16, 2019, 02:41:06 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?

Oh finally something fun
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 06:17:49 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?

Oh, dear me! I didnít realize it was from you. The note must have fallen off in transit. The Southerner in me is aggrieved that I was not more appreciative. Please forgive my rudeness. The instruction manual also seems to be missing, but loveliness is a gift in and of itself. Thank you!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 06:22:01 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?

Oh, dear me! I didnít realize it was from you. The note must have fallen off in transit. The Southerner in me is aggrieved that I was not more appreciative. Please forgive my rudeness. The instruction manual also seems to be missing, but loveliness is a gift in and of itself. Thank you!
Well I did try (and fail apparently) to convey this more subtly. What to make of this reaction I am not sure, but unvote for now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 06:34:16 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?

Why was it important for you to say that you gave Didds the gift?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 06:36:47 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?

Oh, dear me! I didnít realize it was from you. The note must have fallen off in transit. The Southerner in me is aggrieved that I was not more appreciative. Please forgive my rudeness. The instruction manual also seems to be missing, but loveliness is a gift in and of itself. Thank you!
Well I did try (and fail apparently) to convey this more subtly. What to make of this reaction I am not sure, but unvote for now.

In retrospect, you did well. I was preoccupied with the start of my summer class and focused on my D1 reread. Apologies for being obtuse.

And while I hate to be materialistic, Iíll admit that am wooed by your generosity. It has definitely changed my opinion of you. Now you are in my top 3 townfolk.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 06:44:13 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?
The instruction manual also seems to be missing

Do you need it? Does faust have it?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 06:45:08 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?

Why was it important for you to say that you gave Didds the gift?
If Didds is scum, it would be dangerous for her to have it, and since currently I don't have a townread on her I thought the information should be out. It was worth more than keeping the secret.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 07:18:54 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?

Why was it important for you to say that you gave Didds the gift?
If Didds is scum, it would be dangerous for her to have it, and since currently I don't have a townread on her I thought the information should be out. It was worth more than keeping the secret.

Agreed. Good info for both of us. I am in no danger and that you had it to give is illuminating.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 07:19:46 am
So, WCD, you still did not talk about your read on me changing... I take it you did not like my gift?
The instruction manual also seems to be missing

Do you need it? Does faust have it?

Eh....who reads the manual anyway?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 08:43:07 am
I have considered this but I feel like we need to coordinate. WCD, what do you think about revealing our info?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 08:49:57 am
I have considered this but I feel like we need to coordinate. WCD, what do you think about revealing our info?

Iím in
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 09:03:07 am
I have considered this but I feel like we need to coordinate. WCD, what do you think about revealing our info?

There's still a shred of hope that one scum hasn't understood what you (we?) are talking about, but I suppose that's not really going to happen.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 09:06:54 am
I have considered this but I feel like we need to coordinate. WCD, what do you think about revealing our info?

There's still a shred of hope that one scum hasn't understood what you (we?) are talking about, but I suppose that's not really going to happen.

I think faust is right that it helps us more than it helps them.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 09:32:01 am
I have considered this but I feel like we need to coordinate. WCD, what do you think about revealing our info?

Iím in
Want to go first?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 09:32:12 am
The suspense is real y'all.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 09:35:27 am
Are you two playing footsies to see who reveals first? Come on, I want that info so we can decide if Didds is scum or not.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 09:53:05 am
Last night, I received the sugar bowl.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 09:55:22 am
Last night, I received the sugar bowl.
So what do you know about it?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 10:02:17 am
I'd rather you offer something next
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 10:09:19 am
Last night, I received the sugar bowl.

Why did you reference the sugar bowl on D1?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 10:10:01 am
I'd rather you offer something next
Vote: WCD

This is basically cheating. Anyway, it is possible to pass the sugar bowl to another player at night. I picked WCD because I read her townie at the the time and because she inquired about the sugar bowl during D1, so I figured she could use it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 10:17:59 am
I'd rather you offer something next
Vote: WCD

This is basically cheating. Anyway, it is possible to pass the sugar bowl to another player at night. I picked WCD because I read her townie at the the time and because she inquired about the sugar bowl during D1, so I figured she could use it.

It seems fair if you're both claiming something that we know a little about your part in it too though. And everybody knows fairness is a key component to this game.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:09:20 am
What? How is it cheating? I don't understand. I thought we were both disclosing information?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:10:00 am
Last night, I received the sugar bowl.

Why did you reference the sugar bowl on D1?

I did not have any particular reason other than I read it in the set up and found it intriguing.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:13:00 am
I know that the sugar bowl does something, but I don't know what. I also know that it is valuable and may be redirected from its intended target by friendly forces.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 11:14:07 am
Last night, I received the sugar bowl.

Why did you reference the sugar bowl on D1?

I did not have any particular reason other than I read it in the set up and found it intriguing.

Well this has been a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:20:45 am
Last night, I received the sugar bowl.

Why did you reference the sugar bowl on D1?

I did not have any particular reason other than I read it in the set up and found it intriguing.

Well this has been a complete waste of time.

I think the part that is not a complete waste of time is that faust had it to start with. It is valuable and can be redirected by friendlies, so I think it is very likely that it started with not-scum. So, for me, it makes him more town.

Also, there may be someone who needs it to do something else so knowing it really is in the game and not just flavor distraction is worthwhile, too. 

And really, this is more information than we have about literally anything else in the game right now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 11:23:34 am
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:29:34 am
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?

I am not sure that only town can redirect it, but I am certain that some town can redirect it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:33:44 am
The internets have lots of theories about the sugar bowl.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:37:41 am
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?

Why do you think it would be used by scum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 11:41:55 am
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?

Why do you think it would be used by scum?

Because town started with it? Isn't that the conclusion you got to? I have no idea what it does in flavour, but it makes sense to be more important to scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 11:45:03 am
Well, it does something for someone....

You think it is more worthwhile to keep it from scum or give it to scum?

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 11:52:57 am
Well, it does something for someone....

You think it is more worthwhile to keep it from scum or give it to scum?

I would keep it from scum. But I don't know everything you do.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: WestCoastDidds on May 16, 2019, 12:00:20 pm
Well, it does something for someone....

You think it is more worthwhile to keep it from scum or give it to scum?

I would keep it from scum. But I don't know everything you do.

That is my thinking as well
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 16, 2019, 01:27:54 pm
Playing some catch up. Also I missed this the first time around:

I'm still on vote: mix

Strictly a question for you, do you think the rest of VFD should claim today?

I would say that's up to them. I'm less enthusiastic about the idea today than I was yesterday.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 16, 2019, 01:40:49 pm
Also i've realized that part of the difficulty that I'm having engaging with this game is that a lot of my townreads are based on things that I don't want to talk about.

I do feel good about a pubby Lynch, so

vote: pubby
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 16, 2019, 02:17:20 pm

Of all the things that have confounded and confused me in the years since I began my efforts to reconstruct the story of Baudelaire children, none has been more perplexing than the Vessel for Disaccharides, also known as the sugar bowl, an item apparently prized, and fervently sought, my both factions of the VFD ever since it was originally stolen from a certain now-incomplete tea set. Whether it is the sugar bowl itself that is so highly sought-after or something contained within, I cannot say for certain. It has even been suggested that the sugar bowl is merely a MacGuffin, which here means a plot device whose value lies more in its ability to drive the action in a series of events than in any intrinsic properties, although this assertion strikes me as far-fetched. What I can say for certain is that the fate of the sugar bowl has so far been intrinsically linked to the fate of the Baudelaire children, so I will continue to seek these answers.

Voting - Frequency Disappointing 2.2

WestCoastDidds (2): UncleEurope, faust
MiX (2): DatSwan, pubby
UncleEurope (1): mcmcsalot
pubby (5): Awaclus, MiX, WestCoastDidds, shraeye, A Drowned Kernel

Not voting (2):ashersky, raerae

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch most players. Day 2 will end at 10:00 AM FT on May 19th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 02:28:09 pm
Does ADK have two votes or is this vote count wrong?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 16, 2019, 02:44:22 pm
Does ADK have two votes or is this vote count wrong?

Always assume the vote count is wrong.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 02:51:52 pm
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?

How do you know scum can go grab it?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 02:56:11 pm
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?

How do you know scum can go grab it?

If scum want the sugar bowl they probably have some way of getting it, right? I can only speculate, but that seems logical.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 02:59:08 pm
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?

How do you know scum can go grab it?

If scum want the sugar bowl they probably have some way of getting it, right? I can only speculate, but that seems logical.

I'm not following that logic. If faust was able to give, it seems crazy that scum could take. Seems more logical to me that you give the sugar bowl at your own risk. What else do you know about the sugar bowl?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 03:01:08 pm
It's probably used by scum, you know. Now they know where it is and probably how to go get it. How sure are you that only town can redirect it?

How do you know scum can go grab it?

If scum want the sugar bowl they probably have some way of getting it, right? I can only speculate, but that seems logical.

I'm not following that logic. If faust was able to give, it seems crazy that scum could take. Seems more logical to me that you give the sugar bowl at your own risk. What else do you know about the sugar bowl?

Nothing. I guess you're right...but you never know. The mere possibility means revealing all this just for Didds to have nothing special about it was bad, but maybe you're right and scum can't interact with it when they don't have it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 16, 2019, 03:52:28 pm
Hmm.

Vote: MiX
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 16, 2019, 03:56:51 pm
Yikes, 5 votes. Now I remember why I quit playing mafia games. Anyway, I'm gonna be at a convention for all of tomorrow so I guess I'll claim.

I'm a flavor-cop for Baudelaires. I can test to see who's Baudelaire and who isn't. I investigated Awaclus last night and he's not Baudelaire. He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

I was gonna vote for him after observing his behavior d2, and well, I guess he's already voted and shared so
Vote: Awaclus
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 04:03:22 pm
Right, a new player. Right. Hmm. Why did you target Awaclus? Why did you out someone as non-Baudelaire? Why did you claim now? Is that all you do?

Not sure what to think about this. I want to say that scum!pubby would know better, but...I want answers to my questions first.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 16, 2019, 04:13:01 pm
Yikes, 5 votes. Now I remember why I quit playing mafia games. Anyway, I'm gonna be at a convention for all of tomorrow so I guess I'll claim.

I'm a flavor-cop for Baudelaires. I can test to see who's Baudelaire and who isn't. I investigated Awaclus last night and he's not Baudelaire. He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

I was gonna vote for him after observing his behavior d2, and well, I guess he's already voted and shared so
Vote: Awaclus

Man, if this is true, why would you claim your results?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 04:15:51 pm
He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

This is a really good example of a fallicious argument actually. Imagine pubby targetted someone who hasn't claimed to be VFD or not VFD and he got the same result. By his logic, the chances of this person being scum are 1/3 (3/9, since there's 9 possible "roles" said person could be). Now, imagine that person, after pubby came public with the result, claimed their VFDness. Regardless of what they claimed, the chances of being scum would up to 3/6, given this argument. But you KNOW said person's going to claim one of them. Therefore, the odds of any person that is confirmed non-Baudelaire being scum is 3/6, that is, 1/2. This is obviously false. Therefore pubby's argument is wrong.

Anything wrong with the above? I think pubby would've thought about this if he was town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 16, 2019, 04:25:12 pm
I think Pubby wouldn't have claimed this result if he was town. Most likely scenario I can think of is him wanting to pass along this info to his partners before he dies.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 16, 2019, 04:33:23 pm
I will neither confirm nor deny the claim that I'm not a Baudelaire, but either way I'm keeping the vote on pubby.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 04:35:07 pm
Will vote for: pubby, DatSwan, UncleEddie, not necessarily in that order
Heckano won't vote for: basically everybody else unless I'm given the best of reasons
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 04:36:43 pm
He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

This is a really good example of a fallicious argument actually. Imagine pubby targetted someone who hasn't claimed to be VFD or not VFD and he got the same result. By his logic, the chances of this person being scum are 1/3 (3/9, since there's 9 possible "roles" said person could be). Now, imagine that person, after pubby came public with the result, claimed their VFDness. Regardless of what they claimed, the chances of being scum would up to 3/6, given this argument. But you KNOW said person's going to claim one of them. Therefore, the odds of any person that is confirmed non-Baudelaire being scum is 3/6, that is, 1/2. This is obviously false. Therefore pubby's argument is wrong.

Anything wrong with the above? I think pubby would've thought about this if he was town.

1/2 and 50% are the same thing. Didn't you just say the same thing he did but in a more wordy format and then say he's scum because of the same conclusion he drew?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 04:37:13 pm
Will vote for: pubby, DatSwan, UncleEddie, not necessarily in that order
Heckano won't vote for: basically everybody else unless I'm given the best of reasons

Adding MiX to that first list now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 04:38:13 pm
He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

This is a really good example of a fallicious argument actually. Imagine pubby targetted someone who hasn't claimed to be VFD or not VFD and he got the same result. By his logic, the chances of this person being scum are 1/3 (3/9, since there's 9 possible "roles" said person could be). Now, imagine that person, after pubby came public with the result, claimed their VFDness. Regardless of what they claimed, the chances of being scum would up to 3/6, given this argument. But you KNOW said person's going to claim one of them. Therefore, the odds of any person that is confirmed non-Baudelaire being scum is 3/6, that is, 1/2. This is obviously false. Therefore pubby's argument is wrong.

Anything wrong with the above? I think pubby would've thought about this if he was town.

1/2 and 50% are the same thing. Didn't you just say the same thing he did but in a more wordy format and then say he's scum because of the same conclusion he drew?

It's impossible for every non-Baudelaire to have a 50% chance to be scum because there's not that many scum, the real percentage would be 33%.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 04:48:54 pm
He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

This is a really good example of a fallicious argument actually. Imagine pubby targetted someone who hasn't claimed to be VFD or not VFD and he got the same result. By his logic, the chances of this person being scum are 1/3 (3/9, since there's 9 possible "roles" said person could be). Now, imagine that person, after pubby came public with the result, claimed their VFDness. Regardless of what they claimed, the chances of being scum would up to 3/6, given this argument. But you KNOW said person's going to claim one of them. Therefore, the odds of any person that is confirmed non-Baudelaire being scum is 3/6, that is, 1/2. This is obviously false. Therefore pubby's argument is wrong.

Anything wrong with the above? I think pubby would've thought about this if he was town.

1/2 and 50% are the same thing. Didn't you just say the same thing he did but in a more wordy format and then say he's scum because of the same conclusion he drew?

It's impossible for every non-Baudelaire to have a 50% chance to be scum because there's not that many scum, the real percentage would be 33%.

#math

This looks like a moment where you're talking numbers and I'm not following, we've been here, I didn't like it, I'm leaving. But, if we're crucifying people based on their math skills I should probably just get in line.

Don't get me wrong, pubs is totes scum but you putting SO much emphasis on his ability to calculate percentages is pretty damn scummy too.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 16, 2019, 04:52:14 pm
It's 50-50 if you believe Awaclus is telling the truth when he says he's non-volunteer.

If he's lying, well first of all, we've got a liar here. But the odds with that are 3/8.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 16, 2019, 04:52:53 pm
Err, to clarify: I mean if he's lying it's 3/8 chance that he's scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 04:55:04 pm
Yikes, 5 votes. Now I remember why I quit playing mafia games. Anyway, I'm gonna be at a convention for all of tomorrow so I guess I'll claim.

I'm a flavor-cop for Baudelaires. I can test to see who's Baudelaire and who isn't. I investigated Awaclus last night and he's not Baudelaire. He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

I was gonna vote for him after observing his behavior d2, and well, I guess he's already voted and shared so
Vote: Awaclus

Pubby, if you've had this information all day why are you just now pushing for an Awaclus lunch?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 04:55:17 pm
Don't get me wrong, pubs is totes scum but you putting SO much emphasis on his ability to calculate percentages is pretty damn scummy too.

It's really about...one of my questions, and the answer I think he'll say. Not that important yet I suppose, but when he does answer what I think he'll answer this will make sense. Or maybe he has another explanation. Anyway it's a pretty cool thing.

It's 50-50 if you believe Awaclus is telling the truth when he says he's non-volunteer.

If he's lying, well first of all, we've got a liar here. But the odds with that are 3/8.

The problem is that it would always be 50/50 independently of what he claimed. Which would mean everyone you have confirmation that isn't Baudelaire is 50% scum, which is just wrong, given there's more non-Baudelaires than scum.

PPE 1
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 04:56:34 pm
Yikes, 5 votes. Now I remember why I quit playing mafia games. Anyway, I'm gonna be at a convention for all of tomorrow so I guess I'll claim.

I'm a flavor-cop for Baudelaires. I can test to see who's Baudelaire and who isn't. I investigated Awaclus last night and he's not Baudelaire. He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

I was gonna vote for him after observing his behavior d2, and well, I guess he's already voted and shared so
Vote: Awaclus

Pubby, if you've had this information all day why are you just now pushing for an Awaclus lunch?

Sorry, should have finished my thought, I get you wanted to observe him and you didn't just want to throw a vote down but you did nothing to engage him, to get the interaction that would help you determine how alignment. Why just sit back?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 16, 2019, 04:57:16 pm
There's a problem with the framework of the analysis, MiX.  Both you and pubby are secretly talking about different sample spaces, basically.  But it's really not worth fixing though.

I'll put the explanation in a quote-box to encourage everybody to just skip the math lesson.
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The basic issue is we don't know what scum would claim vis-a-vis Volunteer.
Suppose I knew that 1 scum would claim Volunteer and the other 2 would not. 
Then a from pubby's "town-non-volun" perspective there are 9 targets and 1/3 chance the result is on scum. 
Once the person claims...
...there is a 4/9 chance they claim Volun (and 1/4 chance they are scum)
...and a 5/9 chance they claim Non-volun (and 2/5 chance they are scum). 
This math works out to the original 1/3 perfectly.

It's probably correct not to make an assumption about scum though. 
Which is why your probability (which did this) makes no sense, and why in general I HATE IT when people try to "probability" mafia games.
By putting 3 scum in the Non-volun category AND 3 scum in the Volun category, all of your probability is basically hinging on a sample space where there are actually 6 scum.
In this space, his original result hits scum 1/2 of the time, and no matter what is claimed the probability that it's on scum is still 1/2.
So again, the math checks out; except it's ridiculous and not applicable.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 16, 2019, 04:58:19 pm
Yikes, 5 votes. Now I remember why I quit playing mafia games. Anyway, I'm gonna be at a convention for all of tomorrow so I guess I'll claim.

I'm a flavor-cop for Baudelaires. I can test to see who's Baudelaire and who isn't. I investigated Awaclus last night and he's not Baudelaire. He claims to be non-volunteer, so that means 50% chance he's scum. (I'm non-volunteer, so that's why it's 3/6 instead of 3/7)

I was gonna vote for him after observing his behavior d2, and well, I guess he's already voted and shared so
Vote: Awaclus

Pubby, if you've had this information all day why are you just now pushing for an Awaclus lunch?

PLEASE IGNORE ALL PROBABILITY.  THIIIIIIIISSSSS IS THE IMPORTANT ARGUMENT.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 16, 2019, 04:59:46 pm
And by argument, I mean question.  Or point.  Whatever.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 05:02:06 pm
I love you shraeye, I was about to say "you're assuming there's 3 VFD scum and 3 non-VFD scum" and you just said it. So, thank you.

Anyway that was a fun distraction that made pubby not answer my real questions...sorry.

Why did you target Awaclus? Why did you claim? Why did you reveal your target? And I forgot the other one actually, weren't they four?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 16, 2019, 05:18:48 pm
Well Iím completely up for a pubby lynch at this point I think that claim was extremely scummy.

A bauldiaer cop is more likely to be scum
Awaclus claims to be Roleblocker and pubby claims to have targeted awaclus
Pubby outs a non bauldaire for a claimed reason of building a case but could have and should have been pushing the case prior to claiming.

vote: pubby that is L-1
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 16, 2019, 05:22:55 pm
Shraeye, according to ADK nobody but the actual volunteers can claim to be volunteer without being immediately outed as fraud.

I figured the reason why I targeted Awaclus was obvious. Two people claimed non-volunteer, therefore I was going to pick one of the two. And yes, the math does make sense, in a way.

Either:

A) You believe I'm lying, which will be proven false when I'm lynched and my role revealed.
B) Awaclus is lying through the teeth and actually a volunteer.
C) Awaclus is telling the truth, a non-volunteer, and therefore a 50-50 chance of being scum.

Now here's where things get interesting. If Awaclus was actually lying, he's going to flip and say he's a volunteer. If he's actually a volunteer, ADK can confirm him and we won't lynch a townie. If he's scum, ADK can out them and we'll have a guaranteed scum lynch.

So yeah, the math works out. It's 50-50, roughly.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 05:35:21 pm
Pubby, are you planning on answering me or no?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 05:39:26 pm
Well Iím completely up for a pubby lynch at this point I think that claim was extremely scummy.

A bauldiaer cop is more likely to be scum
Awaclus claims to be Roleblocker and pubby claims to have targeted awaclus
Pubby outs a non bauldaire for a claimed reason of building a case but could have and should have been pushing the case prior to claiming.

vote: pubby that is L-1

Awaclus claimed to have been roleblocked, not that he is a roleblocker. Just wanted to clarify there.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 16, 2019, 05:44:17 pm
Now here's where things get interesting. If Awaclus was actually lying, he's going to flip and say he's a volunteer. If he's actually a volunteer, ADK can confirm him and we won't lynch a townie. If he's scum, ADK can out them and we'll have a guaranteed scum lynch.

I don't really see how things get interesting here.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 16, 2019, 05:46:34 pm
Sorry, should have finished my thought, I get you wanted to observe him and you didn't just want to throw a vote down but you did nothing to engage him, to get the interaction that would help you determine how alignment. Why just sit back?
Well there's three reasons I guess:

A) I don't know what I'm doing

B) People were/are attacking me for questioning Awaclus d1. I mean, I'm getting lynched because I asked him a question d1. Seemed pretty bad to repeat that mistake.

C) The roleblock threw me off for a moment. I assumed it was a scum RB for awhile, but now not sure. I think scum had a better RB target in ADK, but who knows.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 16, 2019, 05:48:17 pm
A) I don't know what I'm doing

Then why claim now? Why out your information when you're probably going to get lynched anyway?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 05:51:56 pm
Sorry, should have finished my thought, I get you wanted to observe him and you didn't just want to throw a vote down but you did nothing to engage him, to get the interaction that would help you determine how alignment. Why just sit back?
Well there's three reasons I guess:

A) I don't know what I'm doing

B) People were/are attacking me for questioning Awaclus d1. I mean, I'm getting lynched because I asked him a question d1. Seemed pretty bad to repeat that mistake.

C) The roleblock threw me off for a moment. I assumed it was a scum RB for awhile, but now not sure. I think scum had a better RB target in ADK, but who knows.

So who do you think his partners are?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 05:52:54 pm
A) I don't know what I'm doing

Then why claim now? Why out your information when you're probably going to get lynched anyway?

This seems like an unnecessary attack that won't change your feelings.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: pubby on May 16, 2019, 06:05:40 pm
So who do you think his partners are?
If Awa is scum I'd look to shraeye and MiX next.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 06:08:11 pm
I appreciate the answer but this is my intent to hammer.

I'm going to go get my kid up and take him home, I'll hammer after I let the dogs out so, say, 45-90 minutes from now? If you've got anything else to spill or any better arguments is suggest making them known.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 16, 2019, 06:29:22 pm
vote: pubby just to steal the hammer.

Also ďspeific role that scum can kill to winĒ cop is a scummy role, so thatís just...I donít know. I can think of a few players who get that as scum and can pull off the claim, but thatís tough.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 16, 2019, 06:32:32 pm
I wish I felt better about this lynch.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 16, 2019, 06:32:44 pm
I will say, if the role was in townís hands, Awaclus isnít a terrible target. I think the better conclusion to draw is ďappears Awa didnít lie about at least part of his roleĒ instead of ďhigh chance of scum.Ē  I would think ADK was a better choice, though.

But man, what do you do with the information other than never reveal it unless it directly contradicts a mason claim at L-1?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 16, 2019, 06:32:49 pm
vote: pubby just to steal the hammer.

Also ďspeific role that scum can kill to winĒ cop is a scummy role, so thatís just...I donít know. I can think of a few players who get that as scum and can pull off the claim, but thatís tough.

Rude.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 16, 2019, 06:33:09 pm
I wish I felt better about this lynch.

Just imagine itís D1, then you will.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 16, 2019, 07:06:53 pm

One term often used in literary conversations is "the death of the author", which typically refers to a movement which eschews any interpretation of a text based on biographical data and holds the writing and its creator as completely unrelated. "The death of the author" does not typically mean that the author has literally been killed.

In this case, however, I am sad to report the term is meant literally, not figuratively. pubby has been lynched. He wasLemony Snicket, the Town-Aligned Baudelaire Cop.

Voting - Fatal Denunciation 2.3

WestCoastDidds (1): UncleEurope
MiX (2): DatSwan, faust
pubby (7): Awaclus, MiX, WestCoastDidds, shraeye, A Drowned Kernel, mcmcsalot, ashersky
Awaclus (1): pubby

Not voting (1): raerae

With 12 players alive, it took 7 to lynch. Night 2 begins now and will end some time after 7:00 PM FT on May 18th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 16, 2019, 07:07:25 pm
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Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 18, 2019, 10:40:41 pm
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Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 18, 2019, 10:41:35 pm
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Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on May 19, 2019, 09:20:59 am

It is too late to stop playing this mafia game. But if you are considering the option of simply ceasing to read the dreadfully grim flavor, there will be some advantages to doing so right now. If you do not continue reading beyond this paragraph, you can choose to believe that Sunny Baudelaire, the youngest of the Baudelaire orphans, survived this entire ordeal. You can believe that she grew up to be a successful and accomplished young woman, that she was adopted by a loving family, and that she was somehow able to escape the terrible fates prone to befall members of her family.

If you choose to read on, however, you will have to read, however obliquely, about a baby trapped in a large bird cage and about a large bird cage dropped from the top of an elevator shaft and about a sister who was once again unable to save her sibling from the machinations of Count Olaf and, in this case, his associate Esme Squalor.

WestCoastDidds has been killed. She was Sunny Baudelaire, the Town-Aligned Survivor-Mason Loved One-Shot Roleblocker.

Voting - Frightful Dawn 3.0

Not voting (1): UncleEurope, DatSwan, faust, Awaclus, MiX, shraeye, A Drowned Kernel, mcmcsalot, ashersky, raerae

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 begins now and will end some time after 9:00 AM FT on May 24th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 09:39:25 am
Shraeye is town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 09:45:39 am
PoE is strong here.

Vote: Uncle, pretty sure he has to be scum.

Also, I recieved a message at the start of Day 2, and I'm saying it publically because I couldn't reply in time (damn you ash and your hammers) so I wanted to confirm that recieved the message, I found it confusing, I think I know who sent it, and that the person you then mentioned is town, right? That was the point of the message?

Shraeye is town.

I really hope this is true.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 09:54:15 am
Also, I guess I should add that I no longer need anyone to claim anything as far as my role is concerned.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 10:00:38 am
Is scum getting super lucky or are masons giving themselves away?  Because the odds seem low of two random mason hits.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 10:01:17 am
Also, I guess I should add that I no longer need anyone to claim anything as far as my role is concerned.

Would you explain how you know shraeye is town?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 10:03:47 am
Is scum getting super lucky or are masons giving themselves away?  Because the odds seem low of two random mason hits.

That's what I've been wondering. I have also been considering the possibility that scum has a PR that helps them somehow in this regard. I don't know if it would have helped N1 but it would have N2.

It would be super bad if scum already had a good idea of who the last Baudelaire was.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 10:05:39 am
Also, I guess I should add that I no longer need anyone to claim anything as far as my role is concerned.

Would you explain how you know shraeye is town?

My PR would not have done what it did if he had been scum, unless I got redirected.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 10:07:20 am
Is scum getting super lucky or are masons giving themselves away?  Because the odds seem low of two random mason hits.

That's what I've been wondering. I have also been considering the possibility that scum has a PR that helps them somehow in this regard. I don't know if it would have helped N1 but it would have N2.

It would be super bad if scum already had a good idea of who the last Baudelaire was.

Well, pubby had the scum power I would have worried most about.  Could there be a mirror scum mason cop?

Luck D1, Cop D2 could be a possibility. Or some sort of mason slip, or educated guesses to POE.

Pretty sure we lose this one.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 10:08:32 am
PoE is strong here.

Vote: Uncle, pretty sure he has to be scum.

Also, I recieved a message at the start of Day 2, and I'm saying it publically because I couldn't reply in time (damn you ash and your hammers) so I wanted to confirm that recieved the message, I found it confusing, I think I know who sent it, and that the person you then mentioned is town, right? That was the point of the message?

Want to share who you think you are talking to or about?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 10:11:22 am
PoE is strong here.

Vote: Uncle, pretty sure he has to be scum.

Also, I recieved a message at the start of Day 2, and I'm saying it publically because I couldn't reply in time (damn you ash and your hammers) so I wanted to confirm that recieved the message, I found it confusing, I think I know who sent it, and that the person you then mentioned is town, right? That was the point of the message?

Want to share who you think you are talking to or about?

The person that was mentioned is almost always town here, which is why I'm not revealing. The sender...hmm...not sure. Do you have a reason to know this?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 10:14:55 am
The person that was mentioned is almost always town here, which is why I'm not revealing.

Scum already knows that everyone else is town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 10:16:53 am
The person that was mentioned is almost always town here, which is why I'm not revealing.

Scum already knows that everyone else is town.

Fine. Ash is town was essencially what I decoded from the message. So, enjoy your ICness. The sender can reveal themselves if they feel like it, I see no reason to do this myself.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 10:23:11 am
This is quite terrible. I don't get the impulse to make our already short days even shorter. And now I am to believe that ash is town? Yuck.

Vote: raerae then.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 10:25:38 am
On second thought though, vote: MiX is still better. Can you enlighten me on the reasons for Eddie being scum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 10:26:31 am
Is scum getting super lucky or are masons giving themselves away?  Because the odds seem low of two random mason hits.
I frankly fail to see how anything good can come out of discussing this.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 10:26:55 am
The person that was mentioned is almost always town here, which is why I'm not revealing.

Scum already knows that everyone else is town.

Fine. Ash is town was essencially what I decoded from the message. So, enjoy your ICness. The sender can reveal themselves if they feel like it, I see no reason to do this myself.

Why should we believe you?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 10:27:15 am
Is scum getting super lucky or are masons giving themselves away?  Because the odds seem low of two random mason hits.
I frankly fail to see how anything good can come out of discussing this.

And what should we discuss?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 10:28:48 am
Is scum getting super lucky or are masons giving themselves away?  Because the odds seem low of two random mason hits.
I frankly fail to see how anything good can come out of discussing this.

And what should we discuss?
Who scum is. Hint: They were likely instrumental in the terrible wagon of yesterday.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 10:30:28 am
The person that was mentioned is almost always town here, which is why I'm not revealing.

Scum already knows that everyone else is town.

Fine. Ash is town was essencially what I decoded from the message. So, enjoy your ICness. The sender can reveal themselves if they feel like it, I see no reason to do this myself.

By "decoding", do you mean that it was written in flavor as opposed to direct Mafia terms? Do you think the "message" was actually not written verbatim by the player who sent it, and it was the mods who wrote it based on what that player's PR does? Is this information reliable even if the sender is scum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 10:34:46 am
Is scum getting super lucky or are masons giving themselves away?  Because the odds seem low of two random mason hits.
I frankly fail to see how anything good can come out of discussing this.

And what should we discuss?
Who scum is. Hint: They were likely instrumental in the terrible wagon of yesterday.

What made it terrible from your perspective? He was acting shady and I'm still astounded that was a town PR.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 10:34:59 am
On second thought though, vote: MiX is still better. Can you enlighten me on the reasons for Eddie being scum?

If Awaclus is town, then shraeye is town, which then means raerae is town. Then, with my own information, which includes a townread on whoever messaged me, means there's like 4 people that can be scum. Of those, Uncle's the scummiest.

The person that was mentioned is almost always town here, which is why I'm not revealing.

Scum already knows that everyone else is town.

Fine. Ash is town was essencially what I decoded from the message. So, enjoy your ICness. The sender can reveal themselves if they feel like it, I see no reason to do this myself.

By "decoding", do you mean that it was written in flavor as opposed to direct Mafia terms? Do you think the "message" was actually not written verbatim by the player who sent it, and it was the mods who wrote it based on what that player's PR does? Is this information reliable even if the sender is scum?

It rhymed, that's how weirdly it was written. It wasn't straightforward, in fact I might've gotten some things wrong. I...think it's a bit meta to say if I think whoever sent it would write it like that, this would probably be a clue to whoever sent it, which is something I have no reason to out right now. If the sender is scum, I don't think they would dare saying a fellow scumbuddy is scum, so I trust that ash's town completely.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 10:37:51 am
It rhymed, that's how weirdly it was written. It wasn't straightforward, in fact I might've gotten some things wrong. I...think it's a bit meta to say if I think whoever sent it would write it like that, this would probably be a clue to whoever sent it, which is something I have no reason to out right now. If the sender is scum, I don't think they would dare saying a fellow scumbuddy is scum, so I trust that ash's town completely.

Bold should be "scumbuddy is town"
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 10:41:34 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 10:43:04 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

That's a hard no from me.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 10:43:54 am
It rhymed, that's how weirdly it was written. It wasn't straightforward, in fact I might've gotten some things wrong. I...think it's a bit meta to say if I think whoever sent it would write it like that, this would probably be a clue to whoever sent it, which is something I have no reason to out right now. If the sender is scum, I don't think they would dare saying a fellow scumbuddy is scum, so I trust that ash's town completely.

Bold should be "scumbuddy is town"

It rhymed, and as far as you can tell, it was the player who wrote it that way, not the mods?

And just to clarify further, the reason why we're supposed to believe that ash is town is that you think scum wouldn't lie, but as far as you can tell, they could?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 10:44:47 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

Do you believe Awaclus is town?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 10:46:32 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

Do you believe Awaclus is town?

I'm leaning that way. Right now I'm at the point where I honestly want to lynch Faust.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 10:48:38 am
Who has the sugar bowl now?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 10:49:11 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

That's a hard no from me.

Okay, let's take a look at what we know:

- ADK is town
- ash is town
- If Awaclus is town, shraeye is town
- If shraeye is town, raerae is town
- If raerae is town, shraeye is town

If we believe all of these, and we believe Awaclus is town, then there's only 5 possible people that can be scum. Since I'm town, I can lower this to 4. Since I do believe Awaclus is town, I think scum's in {Uncle, faust, Swan, mcmc, MiX}.

...Or I'm trusting the shraeye/raerae situation too much? Anyway, that's my logic.

PPE idk
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 10:49:57 am
It rhymed, that's how weirdly it was written. It wasn't straightforward, in fact I might've gotten some things wrong. I...think it's a bit meta to say if I think whoever sent it would write it like that, this would probably be a clue to whoever sent it, which is something I have no reason to out right now. If the sender is scum, I don't think they would dare saying a fellow scumbuddy is scum, so I trust that ash's town completely.

Bold should be "scumbuddy is town"

It rhymed, and as far as you can tell, it was the player who wrote it that way, not the mods?

And just to clarify further, the reason why we're supposed to believe that ash is town is that you think scum wouldn't lie, but as far as you can tell, they could?

Precisely.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 10:50:41 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

That's a hard no from me.

Okay, let's take a look at what we know:

- ADK is town
- ash is town
- If Awaclus is town, shraeye is town
- If shraeye is town, raerae is town
- If raerae is town, shraeye is town

If we believe all of these, and we believe Awaclus is town, then there's only 5 possible people that can be scum. Since I'm town, I can lower this to 4. Since I do believe Awaclus is town, I think scum's in {Uncle, faust, Swan, mcmc, MiX}.

...Or I'm trusting the shraeye/raerae situation too much? Anyway, that's my logic.

PPE idk

No. WE don't know that Ash is town. You've CLAIMED he is. What's to stop scum from doing that to keep two of them off the table today?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 10:53:00 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

That's a hard no from me.

Okay, let's take a look at what we know:

- ADK is town
- ash is town
- If Awaclus is town, shraeye is town
- If shraeye is town, raerae is town
- If raerae is town, shraeye is town

If we believe all of these, and we believe Awaclus is town, then there's only 5 possible people that can be scum. Since I'm town, I can lower this to 4. Since I do believe Awaclus is town, I think scum's in {Uncle, faust, Swan, mcmc, MiX}.

...Or I'm trusting the shraeye/raerae situation too much? Anyway, that's my logic.

PPE idk

The shraeye/raerae connection is my biggest stumbling point in your post
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 10:53:40 am
No. WE don't know that Ash is town. You've CLAIMED he is. What's to stop scum from doing that to keep two of them off the table today?

Also the claim that Ash is town is based on the premise that scum wouldn't lie. That's not very convincing even if we believe MiX.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 10:57:28 am
Who has the sugar bowl now?

Wait, this is baudelaire hunting.

vote: raerae
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 11:00:14 am
Who has the sugar bowl now?

Wait, this is baudelaire hunting.

vote: raerae

Nope, seems like Didds was killed because she had it. Send like she would have passed out to somebody she trusted. Would have thought the VFD would have tried to stop her death if they could. I was surprised to see her as the kill.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 11:02:21 am
- If shraeye is town, raerae is town
- If raerae is town, shraeye is town
?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 11:03:33 am
- If shraeye is town, raerae is town
- If raerae is town, shraeye is town
?

-raerae/shraeye/shraerae: I definitely noticed her townreading me yesterday when (based on how I had been playing) I expected her not too.  Super odd; I thought deeply about it and have come to the conclusion that she literally knows I'm town.  Now you might argue "that's because all scum know who town is", but you would be wrong.  So, I'm not sure if I've buddied her yet, but consider this hardcore buddying.  If you have any reason to believe I'm town, believe that raerae is town.  And vice-versa.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 11:06:48 am
- If shraeye is town, raerae is town
- If raerae is town, shraeye is town
?

-raerae/shraeye/shraerae: I definitely noticed her townreading me yesterday when (based on how I had been playing) I expected her not too.  Super odd; I thought deeply about it and have come to the conclusion that she literally knows I'm town.  Now you might argue "that's because all scum know who town is", but you would be wrong.  So, I'm not sure if I've buddied her yet, but consider this hardcore buddying.  If you have any reason to believe I'm town, believe that raerae is town.  And vice-versa.
You buy that because raerae read shraeye differently from what he expected, se couldn't possibly be scum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 11:07:20 am
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

Do you believe Awaclus is town?

I'm leaning that way. Right now I'm at the point where I honestly want to lynch Faust.
And why might that be?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 11:09:44 am
{Uncle, faust, Swan, mcmc, MiX}.
And why is Eddie the scummiest of those?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 11:13:41 am
- If shraeye is town, raerae is town
- If raerae is town, shraeye is town
?

-raerae/shraeye/shraerae: I definitely noticed her townreading me yesterday when (based on how I had been playing) I expected her not too.  Super odd; I thought deeply about it and have come to the conclusion that she literally knows I'm town.  Now you might argue "that's because all scum know who town is", but you would be wrong.  So, I'm not sure if I've buddied her yet, but consider this hardcore buddying.  If you have any reason to believe I'm town, believe that raerae is town.  And vice-versa.
You buy that because raerae read shraeye differently from what he expected, se couldn't possibly be scum?

I'm assuming they have Very Important Roles that somehow confirm each other. I could be wrong, but it's not the worst assumption to make. In fact, I would like for shraeye and raerae to detail how much they trust each other.

PPE 1
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 11:21:07 am
{Uncle, faust, Swan, mcmc, MiX}.
And why is Eddie the scummiest of those?

Barely talked...at all. I mean, seriously, look at D2, after he places his vote on Didds all he does is answer my questioning on shraeye. Oh and some raerae related things, I guess. He was already my scumread at the start of D2 and if pubby didn't work (man, that role is really scummy...) then it's probably Uncle. The pool's really small, which means it could be more people, especially mcmc, he also hasn't said anything, but I prefer an Uncle lynch now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 11:22:44 am
I wish I felt better about this lynch.

I have to say I found this post concerning, although I know that A Drowned Kernal is extra paranoid about these things, so...

I think MiX is handing out ďyouíre 100% goodĒ cards without much discretion. Choosing to trust raerae is town based on shraeyeís post is one thing, choosing to trust Shraeye is town based on what Shraeye said his assumptions about raerae are? Questionable.

Vote: Mcmc
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 11:26:24 am
I wish I felt better about this lynch.

I have to say I found this post concerning, although I know that A Drowned Kernal is extra paranoid about these things, so...

I think MiX is handing out ďyouíre 100% goodĒ cards without much discretion. Choosing to trust raerae is town based on shraeyeís post is one thing, choosing to trust Shraeye is town based on what Shraeye said his assumptions about raerae are? Questionable.

Vote: Mcmc

Well, if I trust raerae then I should trust her massive townread on shraeye. I think we're much more likely to hit scum in that lynch pool than otherwise, unless you think scum all tied themselves, which is possible, but unlikely.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 11:28:01 am
{Uncle, faust, Swan, mcmc, MiX}.
And why is Eddie the scummiest of those?

Barely talked...at all. I mean, seriously, look at D2, after he places his vote on Didds all he does is answer my questioning on shraeye. Oh and some raerae related things, I guess. He was already my scumread at the start of D2 and if pubby didn't work (man, that role is really scummy...) then it's probably Uncle. The pool's really small, which means it could be more people, especially mcmc, he also hasn't said anything, but I prefer an Uncle lynch now.

I am scummiest for not talking yet Mcmc is fine? His entire post count is coming in and saying fairly obvious (or non-confrontational) things, voting for me, then leaving. That is much different than his normal self AND he isnít talking.

And day two ended early, I was out all day in class driving home when it hammered.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 11:41:57 am
{Uncle, faust, Swan, mcmc, MiX}.
And why is Eddie the scummiest of those?

Barely talked...at all. I mean, seriously, look at D2, after he places his vote on Didds all he does is answer my questioning on shraeye. Oh and some raerae related things, I guess. He was already my scumread at the start of D2 and if pubby didn't work (man, that role is really scummy...) then it's probably Uncle. The pool's really small, which means it could be more people, especially mcmc, he also hasn't said anything, but I prefer an Uncle lynch now.

I am scummiest for not talking yet Mcmc is fine? His entire post count is coming in and saying fairly obvious (or non-confrontational) things, voting for me, then leaving. That is much different than his normal self AND he isnít talking.

And day two ended early, I was out all day in class driving home when it hammered.

Yeah a mcmc lynch is fine, the only problem is you're behind it. No offence.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 12:02:27 pm
How in the world is that a problem.  You think scum is afraid to bus at this point??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 12:03:36 pm
In fact, I would like for shraeye and raerae to detail how much they trust each other.
enough
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 12:04:40 pm
Is anyone else following mix's logic?

Do you believe Awaclus is town?

I'm leaning that way. Right now I'm at the point where I honestly want to lynch Faust.
Seems ok to me, but mcmc first?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 12:06:55 pm
How in the world is that a problem.  You think scum is afraid to bus at this point??

Not really. Oh, actually

Vote: mcmc, I'm pretty sure scum busses here pretty much every time.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 12:14:59 pm
Vote: mcmc seems fine.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 02:01:45 pm
The VFD need to claim.  If we lynch wrong today weíre screwed and if night goes poorly we lose.  Iíve been hinting the hell out of it but apparently not well enough, Iím VFD.  To prove it, I know your Baudelaireís are dead.  If that isnít enough we can go deeper (ADK is the only one who gets to decide if this is necessary) but I donít think thatís a good idea.  The three of us, the remaining Baudelaire, and one other person should be able to whittle this down.  I suggest the other VFD claim their Baudelaire, ADK would be able to confirm. 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:04:45 pm
The VFD need to claim.  If we lynch wrong today weíre screwed and if night goes poorly we lose.  Iíve been hinting the hell out of it but apparently not well enough, Iím VFD.  To prove it, I know your Baudelaireís are dead.  If that isnít enough we can go deeper (ADK is the only one who gets to decide if this is necessary) but I donít think thatís a good idea.  The three of us, the remaining Baudelaire, and one other person should be able to whittle this down.  I suggest the other VFD claim their Baudelaire, ADK would be able to confirm. 

If this is true town loses on the spot, you know this right? There's not enough Baudelaire and scum has 3 NKs.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 02:06:05 pm
The VFD need to claim.  If we lynch wrong today weíre screwed and if night goes poorly we lose.  Iíve been hinting the hell out of it but apparently not well enough, Iím VFD.  To prove it, I know your Baudelaireís are dead.  If that isnít enough we can go deeper (ADK is the only one who gets to decide if this is necessary) but I donít think thatís a good idea.  The three of us, the remaining Baudelaire, and one other person should be able to whittle this down.  I suggest the other VFD claim their Baudelaire, ADK would be able to confirm. 

If this is true town loses on the spot, you know this right? There's not enough Baudelaire and scum has 3 NKs.

It's almost like I have more information about my role than you do...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:06:43 pm
The VFD need to claim.  If we lynch wrong today weíre screwed and if night goes poorly we lose.  Iíve been hinting the hell out of it but apparently not well enough, Iím VFD.  To prove it, I know your Baudelaireís are dead.  If that isnít enough we can go deeper (ADK is the only one who gets to decide if this is necessary) but I donít think thatís a good idea.  The three of us, the remaining Baudelaire, and one other person should be able to whittle this down.  I suggest the other VFD claim their Baudelaire, ADK would be able to confirm. 

If this is true town loses on the spot, you know this right? There's not enough Baudelaire and scum has 3 NKs.

It's almost like I have more information about my role than you do...

Right, VFD. I hope you guys are super powerful...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 02:30:31 pm
The VFD need to claim.  If we lynch wrong today weíre screwed and if night goes poorly we lose.  Iíve been hinting the hell out of it but apparently not well enough, Iím VFD.  To prove it, I know your Baudelaireís are dead.  If that isnít enough we can go deeper (ADK is the only one who gets to decide if this is necessary) but I donít think thatís a good idea.  The three of us, the remaining Baudelaire, and one other person should be able to whittle this down.  I suggest the other VFD claim their Baudelaire, ADK would be able to confirm. 

If this is true town loses on the spot, you know this right? There's not enough Baudelaire and scum has 3 NKs.

It's almost like I have more information about my role than you do...

Right, VFD. I hope you guys are super powerful...

So do you believe me?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:34:47 pm
So do you believe me?

Yes. After all, I trust ADK, and ADK has a weird thing about eventually being able to confirm every VFD. And I was already trusting you through shraeye and Awaclus.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 02:35:28 pm
So do you believe me?

Yes. After all, I trust ADK, and ADK has a weird thing about eventually being able to confirm every VFD. And I was already trusting you through shraeye and Awaclus.

Cool, can you unvote until we get this sorted?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:35:47 pm
Unvote
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 02:40:34 pm
Ugh, unvote
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 02:42:13 pm
Also, someone sent me a message N1 claiming to be the third Volunteer and has confirmed their identity, so unless they claim asap they're getting lynched.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:45:24 pm
I think I just realized what ADK was talking about confirming VFDs, and what raerae just hinted at. This should mean the jig is up, because if I can figure it out surely scum can. Maybe your roles are really crazy?

Also, someone sent me a message N1 claiming to be the third Volunteer and has confirmed their identity, so unless they claim asap they're getting lynched.

More messages! I like this plan.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 02:47:47 pm
Also, someone sent me a message N1 claiming to be the third Volunteer and has confirmed their identity, so unless they claim asap they're getting lynched.


Unvote

Gah, thatís me, I am a volunteer, do I just dump everything?

I think this is unwise and in many ways could lose us the game.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 02:49:23 pm
Also, someone sent me a message N1 claiming to be the third Volunteer and has confirmed their identity, so unless they claim asap they're getting lynched.


Unvote

Gah, thatís me, I am a volunteer, do I just dump everything?

I think this is unwise and in many ways could lose us the game.

Why don't you just claim your Baudelaire, please.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 02:53:07 pm
Klaus, mine was Klaus.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 02:53:32 pm
Klaus, mine was Klaus.

ADK, can you confirm?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:54:16 pm
Klaus, mine was Klaus.

The 50/50 of doom. Does Uncle get away with claiming VFD? Or does he get lynched like the scum he is? Find out in 3, 2, 1...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 02:55:14 pm
Klaus, mine was Klaus.

The 50/50 of doom. Does Uncle get away with claiming VFD? Or does he get lynched like the scum he is? Find out in 3, 2, 1...

Ah, you doubt me, eh?

Why?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:55:44 pm
Klaus, mine was Klaus.

The 50/50 of doom. Does Uncle get away with claiming VFD? Or does he get lynched like the scum he is? Find out in 3, 2, 1...

Ah, you doubt me, eh?

Why?

I already told you why...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 02:58:20 pm
vote: eddie

Mine was Klaus.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 02:59:27 pm
Vote: Uncle, easy peasy. Do we want to end the day already?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:00:33 pm
vote: eddie

Mine was Klaus.

Vote: ADK

Sigh.

It's ADK guys. Well played, man, I genuinely trusted you.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:00:57 pm
Not yet.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:01:18 pm
What did the message say?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:01:48 pm
Vote: Uncle, easy peasy. Do we want to end the day already?

We wait for the other claim at this point.

In other news, MiX is probably ADK's partner.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:02:53 pm
Vote: Uncle, easy peasy. Do we want to end the day already?

We wait for the other claim at this point.

In other news, MiX is probably ADK's partner.

I'm taking over lead VFD duties for a moment. The other doesn't have to claim yet. I want to know what the message said.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:03:19 pm
What did the message say?

I just told him I was a Volunteer who could message people, nothing hugely informative.

I didn't give him any other information, if that's what you are wondering.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:04:18 pm
What did the message say?

I just told him I was a Volunteer who could message people, nothing hugely informative.

I didn't give him any other information, if that's what you are wondering.

Why didn't you have him other info? Who did you message D2?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:05:28 pm
What did the message say?

I just told him I was a Volunteer who could message people, nothing hugely informative.

I didn't give him any other information, if that's what you are wondering.

Why didn't you give him other info? Who did you message D2?

Sorry, phone posting. Corrected 'have' to 'give.'
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:06:04 pm
What did the message say?

I just told him I was a Volunteer who could message people, nothing hugely informative.

I didn't give him any other information, if that's what you are wondering.

Why didn't you have him other info? Who did you message D2?

If he was scum I didn't want him to know how the Volunteers worked, information that could be crucial for them figuring out things.

And I messaged Faust, essentially telling them what I told ADK.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 03:07:26 pm
What did the message say?

I just told him I was a Volunteer who could message people, nothing hugely informative.

I didn't give him any other information, if that's what you are wondering.

No cop result? Awkward.

PPE 3
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:14:41 pm
What did the message say?

I just told him I was a Volunteer who could message people, nothing hugely informative.

I didn't give him any other information, if that's what you are wondering.

Why didn't you have him other info? Who did you message D2?

If he was scum I didn't want him to know how the Volunteers worked, information that could be crucial for them figuring out things.

And I messaged Faust, essentially telling them what I told ADK.

Why faust?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:15:55 pm
A few things, my flavor is Duncan Quagmire, who is essentially Klaus's twin, which explains my connection to him. Really curious who ADK's flavor is.

Reread my day 1 and you will see that I am being truthful regarding what I have told you.


Also, clever asking me to confirm you, ADK, made me trust you more than I had previously. (And your full name was also the best code phrase you could have chosen, it took all my willpower to spell it correctly)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:16:11 pm
What did the message say?

I just told him I was a Volunteer who could message people, nothing hugely informative.

I didn't give him any other information, if that's what you are wondering.

Why didn't you have him other info? Who did you message D2?

If he was scum I didn't want him to know how the Volunteers worked, information that could be crucial for them figuring out things.

And I messaged Faust, essentially telling them what I told ADK.

Why faust?

I trust Faust.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:22:49 pm
A few things, my flavor is Duncan Quagmire, who is essentially Klaus's twin, which explains my connection to him. Really curious who ADK's flavor is.

Reread my day 1 and you will see that I am being truthful regarding what I have told you.


Also, clever asking me to confirm you, ADK, made me trust you more than I had previously. (And your full name was also the best code phrase you could have chosen, it took all my willpower to spell it correctly)

ADK, you could reply to this message? Why was that necessary?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:24:24 pm
Why was what necessary?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:26:02 pm
Why was what necessary?

If all you did was tell him you're VFD I don't understand why a code was necessary.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:29:16 pm
Why was what necessary?

If all you did was tell him you're VFD I don't understand why a code was necessary.

My messages don't come with a name attached by a mod, he was hinting that he didn't believe I was actually Uncleeurope.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 19, 2019, 03:40:22 pm
So, let me get this straight... there are supposedly two people able to send messages, one is Eddie who sent stuff to ADK and me, one is another mystery person who sent a message N1 to MiX? So... aren't we missing one message?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 03:40:46 pm
What did faust say back to you?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 03:43:10 pm
What did faust say back to you?

Dunno, wonít know for awhile.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 04:04:59 pm
Guys, hereís the play, we lynch ADK today, but before that we can get raerae to tell me who to target with my message, they will then tell me everything about their role, targets, etc. that way I can compile it all without outing our friendly neighborhood Baudelaire. Since I will be an IC at that point.

Faust will give me his role dump tonight.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 04:20:01 pm
So, let me get this straight... there are supposedly two people able to send messages, one is Eddie who sent stuff to ADK and me, one is another mystery person who sent a message N1 to MiX? So... aren't we missing one message?

Or one player can send multiple messages?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 04:22:38 pm
Separately, Iím leaving this until the volunteers sort themselves out.

I will point out that i called the possible scum gambit on D1.

Two message senders makes more sense in retrospect if we assume two mason cops.

Did anyone else get messages on any nights?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 04:29:39 pm
Guys, hereís the play, we lynch ADK today, but before that we can get raerae to tell me who to target with my message, they will then tell me everything about their role, targets, etc. that way I can compile it all without outing our friendly neighborhood Baudelaire. Since I will be an IC at that point.

Faust will give me his role dump tonight.

I'll make the call on who gets lynched today, thanks for the input though.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 04:32:43 pm
Can DatSwan, faust, and mcmc please tell me whether they believe ADK or UncleEddie and why?

I received a note N2.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 04:40:22 pm
Can DatSwan, faust, and mcmc please tell me whether they believe ADK or UncleEddie and why?

I received a note N2.

Scratch that, this is unnecessary.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 04:42:48 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 04:45:18 pm
ADK, you're next, don't get too comfy.

And other VFD, just trust me.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 04:57:12 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

I did not make a decision in addition to sending messages.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 05:00:32 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:03:53 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

I dunno what to say, I didn't make a choice, I only have the messages.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 05:04:46 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

I dunno what to say, I didn't make a choice, I only have the messages.

I mean, you could tell us whether DatSwan or mcmc is your other partner. That'd make it easier.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:06:44 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

I dunno what to say, I didn't make a choice, I only have the messages.

I mean, you could tell us whether DatSwan or mcmc is your other partner. That'd make it easier.

Whatever.

Iím upset.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 05:14:13 pm
Unvote
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 05:34:48 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

You know, I wish I got VFD...so, apparently, you get to know a Baudelaire? And you probably interact with them in weird ways? AND you get to pick powers??? I'm jeolous.

I'm pretty sure raerae's 100% town here, which should mean ADK's town when he inevitably passes raerae's tests.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 05:36:17 pm
Reread enough to think I got it actually.  I'm fine ending the day now.

Vote: UncleEddie
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 05:36:57 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

Why do you want more info to come out? We got scum, there's no reason for anyone to reveal.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 05:38:14 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

Why do you want more info to come out? We got scum, there's no reason for anyone to reveal.

Didja read my last post?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 05:39:25 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

Why do you want more info to come out? We got scum, there's no reason for anyone to reveal.

Didja read my last post?

I did...but I didn't acknowledge it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:40:04 pm
Reread enough to think I got it actually.  I'm fine ending the day now.

Vote: UncleEddie

You are so very wrong and some perception you have about the game is flawed. I don't know what it is you think you know about how my role works, but it's wrong.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 05:41:22 pm
UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

Why do you want more info to come out? We got scum, there's no reason for anyone to reveal.

Didja read my last post?

I did...but I didn't acknowledge it.

You can vote Eddie now, nothing else needs to happen today.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 05:41:49 pm
Reread enough to think I got it actually.  I'm fine ending the day now.

Vote: UncleEddie

You are so very wrong and some perception you have about the game is flawed. I don't know what it is you think you know about how my role works, but it's wrong.

Tell us everything you know as clearly as possible. Also tell us what you think raerae is in terms of her role. Then, and only then, can you be considered town. But I doubt it.

UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

Why do you want more info to come out? We got scum, there's no reason for anyone to reveal.

Didja read my last post?

I did...but I didn't acknowledge it.

You can vote Eddie now, nothing else needs to happen today.

I already did, but in case I didn't...

Vote: Uncle
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 05:42:19 pm
Vote: Eddie
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 05:43:21 pm
Reread enough to think I got it actually.  I'm fine ending the day now.

Vote: UncleEddie

You are so very wrong and some perception you have about the game is flawed. I don't know what it is you think you know about how my role works, but it's wrong.

Tell us everything you know as clearly as possible. Also tell us what you think raerae is in terms of her role. Then, and only then, can you be considered town. But I doubt it.

Except don't out the last mason even if you know who it is.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 05:44:15 pm
Reread enough to think I got it actually.  I'm fine ending the day now.

Vote: UncleEddie

You are so very wrong and some perception you have about the game is flawed. I don't know what it is you think you know about how my role works, but it's wrong.

Tell us everything you know as clearly as possible. Also tell us what you think raerae is in terms of her role. Then, and only then, can you be considered town. But I doubt it.

Except don't out the last mason even if you know who it is.

That should extent to "don't out anyone other than yourself, raerae and ADK".
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:47:40 pm
Raerae knew we were linked to a Baudelaire, something ADK did not appear to know until afterwards. Raerae is legit.

I had a choice N0 to either be a messenger who knew the identity of the player playing Klaus but could not message him (because of him being in hiding). Or the option that if I was nightkilled Klaus would learn the player who killed me.

I chose the messenger bit, and therefor learned the identity of Klaus.


I messaged both ADK and Faust telling them that I was one of the volunteers and nothing else.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 05:49:10 pm
Y'all could just trust me too.  That'd be cool.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 19, 2019, 05:49:52 pm
I had a choice N0 to either be a messenger who knew the identity of the player playing Klaus but could not message him (because of him being in hiding). Or the option that if I was nightkilled Klaus would learn the player who killed me.

UncleEddie is scum. I'd like Sonny's VFD to come forward now please.

I dunno what to say, I didn't make a choice, I only have the messages.

I like it when scum contradict themselves in the span of minutes.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:50:35 pm
I'm just bummed I don't get to play more, I wanted to use my plan.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:52:54 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

Bolding is mine, back off.

It looked like a trick question to catch ADK/Me offguard.

I made no decision N1. And even then my decision was ABOUT me sending messages, NOT "in addition."


So no, you don't get to make that statement.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:53:48 pm
I answered the question exactly as specified in order to not give anything else away since ADK was supposed to answer right after me.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 05:58:02 pm
I also didnít have 3 options, only two, which made it seem more like a trick question.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 06:01:37 pm
If it was a trick question and you gave the correct answers to it, then why does raerae think you're scum based on your answer?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 06:04:53 pm
Presumably she thinks my role works the way hers does, because I donít nake a decision every night that is disconnected from my messaging.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 06:08:42 pm
Presumably she thinks my role works the way hers does, because I donít nake a decision every night that is disconnected from my messaging.

raerae: I take it this isn't conceivable?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 06:10:42 pm
Presumably she thinks my role works the way hers does, because I donít nake a decision every night that is disconnected from my messaging.

raerae: I take it this isn't conceivable?

I drink and I know things.  I know Eddie is lying.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 06:12:46 pm
That makes no sense.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 06:12:57 pm
I hear the words you're saying and they sound convincing, Uncle. 

But why the heck did you vote for E then??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 06:13:37 pm
Presumably she thinks my role works the way hers does, because I donít nake a decision every night that is disconnected from my messaging.

raerae: I take it this isn't conceivable?

I drink and I know things.  I know Eddie is lying.

Nice quote
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 06:15:23 pm
I hear the words you're saying and they sound convincing, Uncle. 

But why the heck did you vote for E then??

Ah, my good friend, but I never really did. I wanted to make e seem scummy so he wouldnít be targeted while also leading people to lynch the person who was against him.

Check back, I'm not lying.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 06:18:04 pm
You didn't want to, like, bring that up while I was using vote count to analyze things?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 06:18:18 pm
Whatever, I played poorly this game. Sorry about that, peeps.

I ended up messaging scum N1 and pushing both raerae and WCD.

Sorry again.

I think I need to close these tabs. If anyone has any other questions then ask them, otherwise Iím out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 06:19:48 pm
You didn't want to, like, bring that up while I was using vote count to analyze things?

Did I want to announce to the group that I knew e was town? No. My thought process was to keep all volunteer crap secret for as long as possible. And you were pushing pubby who I thought was scum. If you went down your logic trail to me I would have claimed as I just did.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 06:20:51 pm
Whatever, I played poorly this game. Sorry about that, peeps.

I ended up messaging scum N1 and pushing both raerae and WCD.

Sorry again.

I think I need to close these tabs. If anyone has any other questions then ask them, otherwise Iím out.

Don't do that. I don't even know what my questions are yet
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 06:35:16 pm
Someone explain how raerae can be the scum here. Thatís be helpful.

One way is if there are two unclaimed Vols left.

Anyway, I believe Eddie over ADK. Raerae seems like the most towny raerae ever, which reminds me of Bankers, which is scary. She also was going to hammer pubby, who was town. (Note: I hammered pubby, who ended up being town, but man, that role. Thatís what we get for playing the mod.)

So, raerae is definitely town unless sheís Bankers-ing us.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 06:37:04 pm
I feel like we need to lynch scum here and yet we can still lose tonight.

ADK as the faker is in great shape here, as so much info has been splattered onto the thread that heís going to be able to come up with something credible.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 06:40:32 pm
Someone explain how raerae can be the scum here. Thatís be helpful.

One way is if there are two unclaimed Vols left.

Anyway, I believe Eddie over ADK. Raerae seems like the most towny raerae ever, which reminds me of Bankers, which is scary. She also was going to hammer pubby, who was town. (Note: I hammered pubby, who ended up being town, but man, that role. Thatís what we get for playing the mod.)

So, raerae is definitely town unless sheís Bankers-ing us.

I could not be more confident in this.  We're in good shape.  If you believe I'm town at all just trust me here.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 06:49:51 pm
Blarg, vote: Uncle
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 06:52:55 pm
Blarg, vote: Uncle

This is a hard one to answer.

I'm off.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 07:17:03 pm
A few things, my flavor is Duncan Quagmire, who is essentially Klaus's twin, which explains my connection to him. Really curious who ADK's flavor is.

Reread my day 1 and you will see that I am being truthful regarding what I have told you.


Also, clever asking me to confirm you, ADK, made me trust you more than I had previously. (And your full name was also the best code phrase you could have chosen, it took all my willpower to spell it correctly)

ADK, you could reply to this message? Why was that necessary?

I was suspicious that I had received a message claiming to be from a volunteer without any reference to baudelaire knowledge, but I was also skeptical that the message was from who it claimed to be from, so I wanted to see if Eddie would confirm if I asked.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 07:18:12 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

I will add that I have no idea what raerae is referring to here; I don't have a choice of powers or the ability to send messages
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 19, 2019, 07:20:47 pm
Also I don't know how people feel about flavor arguments, but as far as I remember none of the Quagmires are members of VFD
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 07:21:31 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

I will add that I have no idea what raerae is referring to here; I don't have a choice of powers or the ability to send messages

Exactly.  That was the response I expected.  Hence why I voted immediately without pushing you for an answer.  Was hoping you'd see that and not confirm. 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 19, 2019, 07:28:35 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

I did not make a decision in addition to sending messages.

If the correct answer was I donít know what you mean because I donít have options, this is the correct answer, too.

I donít think this wording is any worse than ADKís.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 07:32:58 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

I did not make a decision in addition to sending messages.

If the correct answer was I donít know what you mean because I donít have options, this is the correct answer, too.

I donít think this wording is any worse than ADKís.

Nope.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 07:34:12 pm
We should really be done talking about this now. You either believe me or you believe Eddie and I are both scum. He is not VFD.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 07:54:41 pm
Nobody else needs to claim, we don't need to out the other VFD or the last Baudelaire. Last night was good to me, please just trust me.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 19, 2019, 07:59:27 pm
I am super lost but tonally I believe raerae.

My thoughts are similar to ash. Raerae seems very towny, I donít get how she knows Eddie is scum from what has been said, that said I donít think she is planning on or needs to explain more
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 19, 2019, 08:20:26 pm
Never mind I have an idea. Iím happy to vote Eddie, should I wait for any reason?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 08:20:55 pm
UncleEddie, did you pick power A, B, or C on N1 in addition to sending message?

I will add that I have no idea what raerae is referring to here; I don't have a choice of powers or the ability to send messages

Exactly.  That was the response I expected.  Hence why I voted immediately without pushing you for an answer.  Was hoping you'd see that and not confirm.

Well, that's what I wanted to say, and what I tried to say without being obvious. I wanted ADK to give an answer.

I am severely tilted.

0 things make sense about what is happening here. It is impossible that she knows I am scum here. Not possible.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 19, 2019, 08:29:00 pm
No need to wait, mcmc.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 08:33:42 pm
After ADK throw the shade at MiX/Mcmc.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Uncleeurope on May 19, 2019, 08:34:14 pm
That's it, you can kill me, now.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on May 19, 2019, 08:40:45 pm
vote: Europe
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 08:41:05 pm
To be fair, this does make 0 sense at least from my perspective, but I'm going to assume raerae knows what she's doing.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 19, 2019, 08:53:59 pm
Vote: Eddie

Pretty sure that is plus 1 and I am late to the party, but this seems fairly open and shut.

It is either ADK or it is Eddie. Rae said prior that "they knew both kiddos were dead".... so I guess it could be Rae!ADK/Eddie in a far fetched world, but it def isn't eddie and adk.

And if I am choosing between the two, which we all are - I choose Eddie by a lot.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 19, 2019, 08:58:47 pm
Huh?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 19, 2019, 09:04:40 pm
Huh?

What are you confused about?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 19, 2019, 10:12:08 pm
Huh?

What are you confused about?

Yeah actually - what is the confusion. I feel like all of that minus my opinion of Eddie vs adk has to be generally accepted here.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 19, 2019, 10:59:44 pm
Though it gives me no great pleasure to announce the death of yet another child, some comfort can be taken from the fact that this was an especially loathsome and horrible child, who having already fallen in with Count Olaf and was likely well on her way to a life of villainy which would have been quite hideous some day had it not been cut short. UncleEurope has been lynched. He was Carmelita Spatz, the Arsonist-Aligned Messenger.

Voting - Fast Day! 3.1

MiX (1): faust
UncleEurope (6) : A Drowned Kernel, MiX, raerae, Awaclus, shraeye, mcmcsalot
A Drowned Kernel (1): UncleEurope

Not voting (1):  DatSwan, ashersky,

With 10 players alive, it took 6 to lynch. Night 3 begins now and will end some time after 11:00 PM FT on May 21st.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 19, 2019, 11:07:08 pm
Thread Locked.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 21, 2019, 09:55:27 pm
My research into the fate of the Baudelaire orphans led me to an island, and to an isolated birdcage on the far side of that island, which is where I discovered, thoroughly picked at by vultures, the bones of mcmcsalot. Conversations with the surviving castaways living on this island revealed that he had been Ismael, the Town-aligned Even Night Jailkeeper. The shelter on the far side of the island had been burned to the ground.

Voting: Fourth Day

Not voting (8 ): A Drowned Kernel, shraeye, MiX, Awaclus, raerae, DatSwan, ashersky, faust

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch most players. Day 4 begins now and will go until 10:00 PM forum time on May 26th.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 21, 2019, 09:56:05 pm
Sorry, It takes 5 to lynch most players. Joth, please correct when you see this.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 21, 2019, 09:59:50 pm
vote: ash seems pretty reasonable
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 21, 2019, 10:45:29 pm
Vote: faust
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 21, 2019, 10:53:12 pm
Unless anybody else wants to fakeclaim.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 21, 2019, 11:06:03 pm
@Ash, why didn't you vote yesterday?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 21, 2019, 11:06:46 pm
@MiX, call the team, please.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 21, 2019, 11:54:57 pm
Sorry, It takes 5 to lynch most players. Joth, please correct when you see this.

Assuming that skum doesn't have the modifier of -1 vote to lynch... We should not be putting anyone at L2 we do not want dead right the hell away. So, probably just don't do that.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 12:09:39 am
What?

But...we'd want scum dead right the hell away...?

Why does "scum having that modifier" concern you??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 12:19:20 am
So you'd rather have another quicklynch? 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 12:27:56 am
What?

But...we'd want scum dead right the hell away...?

Why does "scum having that modifier" concern you??


Other way around. Assuming they dont have it we should be careful. If i thought there was a chance they had it, it might change things.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 12:35:26 am
Even after that explanatino, I don't see the correlation.  What made you think of scum modifiers??
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 12:59:58 am
Even after that explanatino, I don't see the correlation.  What made you think of scum modifiers??

My point was that i donít think it could be a skum modifier - this more reason to be cautious.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 01:41:33 am
@MiX, call the team, please.

Swan/faust or Awaclus is playing us.

Vote: Swan
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 01:47:13 am
There's no reason to be careful here, we should lynch as fast as possible, it's the only way we win. Also we probably lost anyway. I don't like how Swan wants to take it slow. This setup implies any discussion benefits scum much more than town.

I also don't see why scum NOT having a hating power means we should be MORE careful. Wouldn't it be the other way around?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 02:04:13 am
Rushing makes no sense really. We now have a scum flip, so it's a good time to reread and figure out who the partners are. But everyone just seems intent on quick voting. I don't think hunting for Eddie's partners will out the last Baudelaire.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 22, 2019, 02:35:44 am
Just lost my post.

I didnít vote because I didnít trust ADK. I sort of have to now I guess, since he won the battle, although thatís no guarantee.

I trust raerae here.

I think faust is most likely scum at this point.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 03:05:03 am
Vote: faust
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 03:09:11 am
If faust is town, I would like him to claim because otherwise it looks like he's scum from my PR result.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 03:11:28 am
@MiX, call the team, please.

Swan/faust or Awaclus is playing us.

Vote: Swan

Mix/Faust or Awaclus is playing us.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 03:13:43 am
@MiX, call the team, please.

Swan/faust or Awaclus is playing us.

Vote: Swan

Mix/Faust or Awaclus is playing us.

eh nvm. I think at least one of the three of you are skum but I don't want to call teams before reading more carefully.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 03:40:52 am
If faust is town, I would like him to claim because otherwise it looks like he's scum from my PR result.
I will claim if and only if both ADK and raerae want me to. I will say that there is nothing in my role that would suggest messing with investigative powers.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 03:41:50 am
Also, I will be VLA over the weekend and have no access Friday to Sunday.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 03:43:29 am
Also, I will be VLA over the weekend and have no access Friday to Sunday.
Yikes with the short deadlines... it's already on Sunday. I think I would be able to make comments before the deadline hits, but really if you want to ask me questions better do it now. I will try to get as much done as possible before I leave.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 03:53:49 am
I would like to know more about Awaclus's supposed role because if a result on me can be wrong then I don't trust the result on shraeye.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 04:00:20 am
I would like to know more about Awaclus's supposed role because if a result on me can be wrong then I don't trust the result on shraeye.

I'm not going to say anything more about my supposed role until you've claimed.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 04:08:54 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 04:24:10 am
Also, I will be VLA over the weekend and have no access Friday to Sunday.
Yikes with the short deadlines... it's already on Sunday. I think I would be able to make comments before the deadline hits, but really if you want to ask me questions better do it now. I will try to get as much done as possible before I leave.

chum to skum. me, awaclus, mix.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 04:27:31 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.

I am not defending myself, I am focusing on your certainty. Why would you be 100% sure on that? Are you un aware of how much Awaclus likes to late game bus as skum?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 04:36:32 am
I am. Hmm. I might need to slow down...but I think we should go really fast today. That's mostly for the ICs, however.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 04:39:08 am
Also, I will be VLA over the weekend and have no access Friday to Sunday.
Yikes with the short deadlines... it's already on Sunday. I think I would be able to make comments before the deadline hits, but really if you want to ask me questions better do it now. I will try to get as much done as possible before I leave.

chum to skum. me, awaclus, mix.

Wait where's faust in this?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 04:40:18 am
Also, I will be VLA over the weekend and have no access Friday to Sunday.
Yikes with the short deadlines... it's already on Sunday. I think I would be able to make comments before the deadline hits, but really if you want to ask me questions better do it now. I will try to get as much done as possible before I leave.

chum to skum. me, awaclus, mix.

Wait where's faust in this?

i am asking faust
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 05:06:16 am
Also, I will be VLA over the weekend and have no access Friday to Sunday.
Yikes with the short deadlines... it's already on Sunday. I think I would be able to make comments before the deadline hits, but really if you want to ask me questions better do it now. I will try to get as much done as possible before I leave.

chum to skum. me, awaclus, mix.
Probably like... Awaclus, you, MiX.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 05:30:14 am
I would like MiX to be scum here... the superb irony of people successfully pushing for a D1 no lynch just as the two major lynch candidates end up being scum.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 22, 2019, 08:38:28 am
Can a mod please update the thread title to show the correct day?

Or give me/faust permission to do so?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 08:41:43 am
Can a mod please update the thread title to show the correct day?

Or give me/faust permission to do so?


I prefer to keep it this way. With this game, we can finally show all the naysayers that you can have interesting stuff happen on Day 1!
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 08:44:52 am
I'm ok with Faust claiming
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: Glooble on May 22, 2019, 09:05:31 am
It is me, the mod who can't actually update the thread.

Please update the thread.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 09:36:29 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.

You really don't believe in busing, do you? It exists, man, it really does.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 09:38:57 am
I am. Hmm. I might need to slow down...but I think we should go really fast today. That's mostly for the ICs, however.

How does going fast benefit the ICs?? Slow down, today will be over soon enough but I gotta get some stuff out.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 09:56:18 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
It really doesn't rule out Awaclus/Faust. 

Also why the hard scum read on DatSwan?  What's the basis behind that?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:03:24 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
It really doesn't rule out Awaclus/Faust. 

Also why the hard scum read on DatSwan?  What's the basis behind that?

Okay let's see if I can explain this without outing anything...

Possible scum are {faust, Swan, MiX, Awaclus} because ash is town. Of these, Awaclus is townier (because his very early role reveal is pretty crazy for scum!Awaclus). Thus I believe it's Swan!faust. Awaclus' result makes more sense if they're not a team (yes, they can bus, but really that just seals faust's doom today) which is why I think it's Swan.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:03:54 am
Before a faust claim I want to hear a MiX claim.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:04:39 am
Before a faust claim I want to hear a MiX claim.

Like, now? Are you sure this is the right idea?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:08:18 am
Before a faust claim I want to hear a MiX claim.

Like, now? Are you sure this is the right idea?

I think it's a brilliant idea.  I originally wanted the other VFD to claim yesterday anyway so you might as well confirm it now.  Now we'll have three ICs, the Baudelaire, and bing bang boom we've won.  Just tell me I'm not wrong here because that means both my N2 and N3 were wasted.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:09:53 am
Before a faust claim I want to hear a MiX claim.

Like, now? Are you sure this is the right idea?

I think it's a brilliant idea.  I originally wanted the other VFD to claim yesterday anyway so you might as well confirm it now.  Now we'll have three ICs, the Baudelaire, and bing bang boom we've won.  Just tell me I'm not wrong here because that means both my N2 and N3 were wasted.

We're not going to win while there's less Baudelaires than scum...anyway I had already claimed that I'm not VFD. Do you still want me to claim or what I got confused.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: faust on May 22, 2019, 10:10:16 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
It really doesn't rule out Awaclus/Faust. 

Also why the hard scum read on DatSwan?  What's the basis behind that?

Okay let's see if I can explain this without outing anything...

Possible scum are {faust, Swan, MiX, Awaclus} because ash is town. Of these, Awaclus is townier (because his very early role reveal is pretty crazy for scum!Awaclus). Thus I believe it's Swan!faust. Awaclus' result makes more sense if they're not a team (yes, they can bus, but really that just seals faust's doom today) which is why I think it's Swan.
So if Awaclus is possible scum, why isn't shraeye?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:10:21 am
Dude, why are you so sure Ash is town?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:10:44 am
mix why do you think that ash is town?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:11:14 am
Before a faust claim I want to hear a MiX claim.

Like, now? Are you sure this is the right idea?

I think it's a brilliant idea.  I originally wanted the other VFD to claim yesterday anyway so you might as well confirm it now.  Now we'll have three ICs, the Baudelaire, and bing bang boom we've won.  Just tell me I'm not wrong here because that means both my N2 and N3 were wasted.

We're not going to win while there's less Baudelaires than scum...anyway I had already claimed that I'm not VFD. Do you still want me to claim or what I got confused.

You weren't faking that??  Yes, you should still claim.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:11:57 am
Ha, beat you to it
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:12:43 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
It really doesn't rule out Awaclus/Faust. 

Also why the hard scum read on DatSwan?  What's the basis behind that?

Okay let's see if I can explain this without outing anything...

Possible scum are {faust, Swan, MiX, Awaclus} because ash is town. Of these, Awaclus is townier (because his very early role reveal is pretty crazy for scum!Awaclus). Thus I believe it's Swan!faust. Awaclus' result makes more sense if they're not a team (yes, they can bus, but really that just seals faust's doom today) which is why I think it's Swan.
So if Awaclus is possible scum, why isn't shraeye?

Because I'm pretty sure raerae's still confirming shraeye? I also like the duality of shraeye being and not being the last Baudelaire.

Dude, why are you so sure Ash is town?

mix why do you think that ash is town?

Since scum messager flipped, I'm basically sure that whoever messaged me is town, thus the information is good.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:14:02 am
Before a faust claim I want to hear a MiX claim.

Like, now? Are you sure this is the right idea?

I think it's a brilliant idea.  I originally wanted the other VFD to claim yesterday anyway so you might as well confirm it now.  Now we'll have three ICs, the Baudelaire, and bing bang boom we've won.  Just tell me I'm not wrong here because that means both my N2 and N3 were wasted.

We're not going to win while there's less Baudelaires than scum...anyway I had already claimed that I'm not VFD. Do you still want me to claim or what I got confused.

You weren't faking that??  Yes, you should still claim.

Er, of course not, that would ruin everything...

I am a VT. There. Do what you wish with this "information".
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:15:37 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
It really doesn't rule out Awaclus/Faust. 

Also why the hard scum read on DatSwan?  What's the basis behind that?

Okay let's see if I can explain this without outing anything...

Possible scum are {faust, Swan, MiX, Awaclus} because ash is town. Of these, Awaclus is townier (because his very early role reveal is pretty crazy for scum!Awaclus). Thus I believe it's Swan!faust. Awaclus' result makes more sense if they're not a team (yes, they can bus, but really that just seals faust's doom today) which is why I think it's Swan.

So what in the hell was this all about?  You can't "out" anything if you're VT.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:16:24 am
So how much does it suck that everyone around you has cool powers, but you don't?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:20:09 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
It really doesn't rule out Awaclus/Faust. 

Also why the hard scum read on DatSwan?  What's the basis behind that?

Okay let's see if I can explain this without outing anything...

Possible scum are {faust, Swan, MiX, Awaclus} because ash is town. Of these, Awaclus is townier (because his very early role reveal is pretty crazy for scum!Awaclus). Thus I believe it's Swan!faust. Awaclus' result makes more sense if they're not a team (yes, they can bus, but really that just seals faust's doom today) which is why I think it's Swan.

So what in the hell was this all about?  You can't "out" anything if you're VT.

The last thing we should give is information. Scum's scavenging the thread for every last trace of Baudelaire tells. I don't want to say which of them I believe is the last Baudelaire.

So how much does it suck that everyone around you has cool powers, but you don't?

I didn't know everyone had cool powers untill I got the message. Then you all revealed to know Baudelaires...it felt like it was Baudelaires vs Scum featuring VFD support and I was left out. In fact I still am, I have no idea what's happening with PRs and I kinda wanna know.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:21:43 am
Since scum messager flipped, I'm basically sure that whoever messaged me is town, thus the information is good.

So I got a similar message to what I believe you got N2 (i.e. a weird poem), are you sure that "ash is town" is the intended message?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:22:11 am
Vote: faust

Well that rules out Awaclus and faust. I'm 100% certain this means Swan is scum.
It really doesn't rule out Awaclus/Faust. 

Also why the hard scum read on DatSwan?  What's the basis behind that?

Okay let's see if I can explain this without outing anything...

Possible scum are {faust, Swan, MiX, Awaclus} because ash is town. Of these, Awaclus is townier (because his very early role reveal is pretty crazy for scum!Awaclus). Thus I believe it's Swan!faust. Awaclus' result makes more sense if they're not a team (yes, they can bus, but really that just seals faust's doom today) which is why I think it's Swan.

So what in the hell was this all about?  You can't "out" anything if you're VT.

The last thing we should give is information. Scum's scavenging the thread for every last trace of Baudelaire tells. I don't want to say which of them I believe is the last Baudelaire.

So how much does it suck that everyone around you has cool powers, but you don't?

I didn't know everyone had cool powers untill I got the message. Then you all revealed to know Baudelaires...it felt like it was Baudelaires vs Scum featuring VFD support and I was left out. In fact I still am, I have no idea what's happening with PRs and I kinda wanna know.

When did you get that message again?  What else happened on the other nights?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:24:51 am
Since scum messager flipped, I'm basically sure that whoever messaged me is town, thus the information is good.

So I got a similar message to what I believe you got N2 (i.e. a weird poem), are you sure that "ash is town" is the intended message?

Oh you got a poem too? Interesting. I'm really really sure "ash is town" is the message. What I'm not sure of is the messenger...I've narrowed it down to two people, but I don't think they nor I should claim their identity. They'll know when to anyway.

When did you get that message again?  What else happened on the other nights?

At the start of D2. Nothing else happened, I didn't even get to answer because ash hammered before I could.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:27:26 am
Since scum messager flipped, I'm basically sure that whoever messaged me is town, thus the information is good.

So I got a similar message to what I believe you got N2 (i.e. a weird poem), are you sure that "ash is town" is the intended message?

Oh you got a poem too? Interesting. I'm really really sure "ash is town" is the message. What I'm not sure of is the messenger...I've narrowed it down to two people, but I don't think they nor I should claim their identity. They'll know when to anyway.

When did you get that message again?  What else happened on the other nights?

At the start of D2. Nothing else happened, I didn't even get to answer because ash hammered before I could.

What did you send in response to the poem?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:28:38 am
Since scum messager flipped, I'm basically sure that whoever messaged me is town, thus the information is good.

So I got a similar message to what I believe you got N2 (i.e. a weird poem), are you sure that "ash is town" is the intended message?

Oh you got a poem too? Interesting. I'm really really sure "ash is town" is the message. What I'm not sure of is the messenger...I've narrowed it down to two people, but I don't think they nor I should claim their identity. They'll know when to anyway.

When did you get that message again?  What else happened on the other nights?

At the start of D2. Nothing else happened, I didn't even get to answer because ash hammered before I could.

D2 wasn't a short day, what do you mean you didn't have time to respond?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:30:55 am
What did you send in response to the poem?

Nothing, but I was just going to say what I believed the message meant and that I was a VT.

D2 wasn't a short day, what do you mean you didn't have time to respond?

It's short if you're confused about the message and you want to think about it for several IRL days. Especially because ash hammered when I was asleep and I planned to answer when I woke up. Yeah, convenient right? Still, didn't expect pubby to get lynched so fast.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:32:12 am
Since scum messager flipped, I'm basically sure that whoever messaged me is town, thus the information is good.

So I got a similar message to what I believe you got N2 (i.e. a weird poem), are you sure that "ash is town" is the intended message?

Oh you got a poem too? Interesting. I'm really really sure "ash is town" is the message. What I'm not sure of is the messenger...I've narrowed it down to two people, but I don't think they nor I should claim their identity. They'll know when to anyway.

When did you get that message again?  What else happened on the other nights?

At the start of D2. Nothing else happened, I didn't even get to answer because ash hammered before I could.

My non-Space vote counter says you voted 4 times on day 2.  So enough time to contribute/vote, but not in this specific way?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:33:54 am
My non-Space vote counter says you voted 4 times on day 2.  So enough time to contribute/vote, but not in this specific way?

You guys should coordinate, read PPEs before asking the obvious questions :P The message was confusing enough that I had to think about it for several days. In fact it took me around that long to find out "ash is town" was the message, and I still don't know for sure who sent it.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:34:11 am
D2 wasn't a short day, what do you mean you didn't have time to respond?

It's short if you're confused about the message and you want to think about it for several IRL days.
If I had four words to describe MiX, it would be "shoots from the hip".  Why not in this instance?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:34:39 am
D2 wasn't a short day, what do you mean you didn't have time to respond?

It's short if you're confused about the message and you want to think about it for several IRL days.
If I had four words to describe MiX, it would be "shoots from the hip".  Why not in this instance?

I don't like to be wrong.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:34:43 am
My non-Space vote counter says you voted 4 times on day 2.  So enough time to contribute/vote, but not in this specific way?

You guys should coordinate, read PPEs before asking the obvious questions :P The message was confusing enough that I had to think about it for several days. In fact it took me around that long to find out "ash is town" was the message, and I still don't know for sure who sent it.
I turned my PPE off
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:44:15 am
Mix what's your flavor name?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:45:05 am
Mix what's your flavor name?

Mrs. Poe.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:47:13 am
Moving on, for now.

N2 I received a wide variety of gifts.  One was a tin can that allowed me to open up a QT with another player.  I thought that came from the other VFD so I tried to open it with mcmc (he was on my short list at the end of D3), obviously not correct there so went back to the list, landed on MiX, strike two.  I think the person who gave me that should claim. 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:47:34 am
That does seem plausible as a vt I suppose
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:48:20 am
Moving on, for now.

N2 I received a wide variety of gifts.  One was a tin can that allowed me to open up a QT with another player.  I thought that came from the other VFD so I tried to open it with mcmc (he was on my short list at the end of D3), obviously not correct there so went back to the list, landed on MiX, strike two.  I think the person who gave me that should claim.

I have also received gifts and don't think the giver should claim
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:49:31 am
Also why not open a qt with me?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:53:17 am
Also why not open a qt with me?

I already knew you, you knew me, figured we were gold. 
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:55:14 am
Moving on, for now.

N2 I received a wide variety of gifts.  One was a tin can that allowed me to open up a QT with another player.  I thought that came from the other VFD so I tried to open it with mcmc (he was on my short list at the end of D3), obviously not correct there so went back to the list, landed on MiX, strike two.  I think the person who gave me that should claim. 

Maaaaaan...wait what was your plan with the QT thing? What does it do? How did it not work on me?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 10:56:08 am
That makes sense and I'm trusting you know what your doing but I still don't think the person giving items should claim
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:57:00 am
Moving on, for now.

N2 I received a wide variety of gifts.  One was a tin can that allowed me to open up a QT with another player.  I thought that came from the other VFD so I tried to open it with mcmc (he was on my short list at the end of D3), obviously not correct there so went back to the list, landed on MiX, strike two.  I think the person who gave me that should claim. 

Maaaaaan...wait what was your plan with the QT thing? What does it do? How did it not work on me?

I didn't target you, I targeted mcmc.  When I found out he wasn't the third I went looking for who it was and figured it was out, I don't get to redirect the QT that's already been opened.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 10:58:31 am
Is it possible the remaining volunteer is someone who got killed before they claimed it?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 10:59:17 am
Moving on, for now.

N2 I received a wide variety of gifts.  One was a tin can that allowed me to open up a QT with another player.  I thought that came from the other VFD so I tried to open it with mcmc (he was on my short list at the end of D3), obviously not correct there so went back to the list, landed on MiX, strike two.  I think the person who gave me that should claim. 

Maaaaaan...wait what was your plan with the QT thing? What does it do? How did it not work on me?

I didn't target you, I targeted mcmc.  When I found out he wasn't the third I went looking for who it was and figured it was out, I don't get to redirect the QT that's already been opened.

Ooooooh you thought I was VFD! Then why would I allow myself to get targetted by Awaclus? Ew, you probably have an answer for that in your big PR...

Is it possible the remaining volunteer is someone who got killed before they claimed it?

Who's that? Unless pubby lied about their VFD status everyone's accounted for, given raerae knows mcmc isn't VFD.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 11:00:51 am
Who's that? Unless pubby lied about their VFD status everyone's accounted for, given raerae knows mcmc isn't VFD.

So I guess it isn't.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 11:05:45 am
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 11:08:16 am
Do the volunteers have any more questions that can verify the remaining volunteer?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 11:09:54 am
Do the volunteers have any more questions that can verify the remaining volunteer?

That seems like a fishing question.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 11:12:44 am
That makes sense and I'm trusting you know what your doing but I still don't think the person giving items should claim

I think we need to know the other VFD and this seems like the best way.  You don't think they should claim?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 11:13:55 am
Do the volunteers have any more questions that can verify the remaining volunteer?

That seems like a fishing question.

But it isn't. If you do, then I think the last volunteer should claim because scum probably already knows who it is.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 11:14:10 am


Who's that? Unless pubby lied about their VFD status everyone's accounted for, given raerae knows mcmc isn't VFD.


What?? There is a significant number of people who are NOT accounted for.  What's the reasoning behind this sentence?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 11:16:37 am


Who's that? Unless pubby lied about their VFD status everyone's accounted for, given raerae knows mcmc isn't VFD.


What?? There is a significant number of people who are NOT accounted for.  What's the reasoning behind this sentence?

That are dead? Who are those "significant number of people"?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 11:17:08 am
Oh, I missed the "that are dead part"
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 11:37:06 am
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?

I trust ash a lot less, if I'm picking between them
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 11:44:51 am
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?

I trust ash a lot less, if I'm picking between them

Do you want to go into anymore detail on the note you got N2?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 11:53:18 am
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?

I trust ash a lot less, if I'm picking between them

Do you want to go into anymore detail on the note you got N2?

The note I got from Eddie? That was just "I'm a volunteer", basically, no poetry, and of course a lie.

I got a note N3 that was a poem, and seems to be trying to point me to believe that a particular player is town, but I'm not convinced a) ash is that player or b) that the note was sent by town and should be trusted
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 12:07:25 pm
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?

I trust ash a lot less, if I'm picking between them

Do you want to go into anymore detail on the note you got N2?

The note I got from Eddie? That was just "I'm a volunteer", basically, no poetry, and of course a lie.

I got a note N3 that was a poem, and seems to be trying to point me to believe that a particular player is town, but I'm not convinced a) ash is that player or b) that the note was sent by town and should be trusted

Ah, I believe I know exactly what it says. I think you should reveal who the message said is town.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 12:09:23 pm
Hmm...well, that only really gives me good info. Actually maybe not. Hmm...is that person ash? If no, then I think I get information.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 12:34:40 pm
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?

I trust ash a lot less, if I'm picking between them

Do you want to go into anymore detail on the note you got N2?

The note I got from Eddie? That was just "I'm a volunteer", basically, no poetry, and of course a lie.

I got a note N3 that was a poem, and seems to be trying to point me to believe that a particular player is town, but I'm not convinced a) ash is that player or b) that the note was sent by town and should be trusted

Wait so you think scum has two messengers? To sow chaos and confusion? Why would they target you twice then?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 01:25:09 pm
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?

I trust ash a lot less, if I'm picking between them

Do you want to go into anymore detail on the note you got N2?

The note I got from Eddie? That was just "I'm a volunteer", basically, no poetry, and of course a lie.

I got a note N3 that was a poem, and seems to be trying to point me to believe that a particular player is town, but I'm not convinced a) ash is that player or b) that the note was sent by town and should be trusted

Ah, I believe I know exactly what it says. I think you should reveal who the message said is town.

You are so far from a position of demanding things of ICs. Cool all your jets, homeslice.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: MiX on May 22, 2019, 01:26:46 pm
But only I would have the information that says that he should reveal it! I said "should" not "do"...

Don't be so mean I wanna help.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 04:31:30 pm
ADK, how much do you trust Ash vs Awaclus?

I trust ash a lot less, if I'm picking between them

Do you want to go into anymore detail on the note you got N2?

The note I got from Eddie? That was just "I'm a volunteer", basically, no poetry, and of course a lie.

I got a note N3 that was a poem, and seems to be trying to point me to believe that a particular player is town, but I'm not convinced a) ash is that player or b) that the note was sent by town and should be trusted

Ah, I believe I know exactly what it says. I think you should reveal who the message said is town.

It doesn't reveal anyone is town, it gives hints, and imo could be interpreted a couple of days different ways. Poetry, man
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 05:07:48 pm
Soooooooo, some of you are awful quiet today...
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 05:16:45 pm
Unvote

@faust, you still down for a MiX lynch?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 05:18:12 pm

I think faust is most likely scum at this point.

Why?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 05:19:39 pm
@shraeye, you on a diet or what?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 05:30:22 pm
I'm not going to support a non-faust lynch until faust has claimed.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 05:37:21 pm
@shraeye, you on a diet or what?
Basically.

DatSwan, faust, ashersky, Awaclus, Mix are all suspicious at times, towny at times.  I started the day feeling faust/ash.  But MiX's message made me think my call on ash was wrong.  Of course, that hinges on A) MiX actually having said message, which appears more likely now than before and B) MiX interpreting it correctly, which appears less likely now.

I had a brief moment where I realized that Awaclus seems town to me because he called me town (#worst reason ever), and that his vote for faust looked like a bus from where I stood.  So, I'm probably most down to lynch faust, but worried 200% that I'm wrong.

The game has begun giving me a mindache.  I can't tell whether a faust-claim, an Awaclus-claim, or no claim is the best action right now. I'm hoping to duck the responsibility of deciding and leaving it to you... :)
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 05:37:37 pm
I'm not going to support a non-faust lynch until faust has claimed.

Let's pretend faust claimed to your satisfaction, in that hypothetical world who do you lynch instead of him?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 05:50:57 pm
@shraeye, you on a diet or what?
Basically.

DatSwan, faust, ashersky, Awaclus, Mix are all suspicious at times, towny at times.  I started the day feeling faust/ash.  But MiX's message made me think my call on ash was wrong.  Of course, that hinges on A) MiX actually having said message, which appears more likely now than before and B) MiX interpreting it correctly, which appears less likely now.

I had a brief moment where I realized that Awaclus seems town to me because he called me town (#worst reason ever), and that his vote for faust looked like a bus from where I stood.  So, I'm probably most down to lynch faust, but worried 200% that I'm wrong.

The game has begun giving me a mindache.  I can't tell whether a faust-claim, an Awaclus-claim, or no claim is the best action right now. I'm hoping to duck the responsibility of deciding and leaving it to you... :)

That's cute so it's basically just me and ADK you've got town reads on?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 05:53:39 pm
Yeah, I know, right?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on May 22, 2019, 05:54:03 pm

I think faust is most likely scum at this point.

Why?

Some of it is the usual ďstill alive on D4? Heís scumĒ stuff. Then thereís the general lack of remarkableness from him this game that feels out of character for him. And then POE.

Assuming the reads of players I read as town are right, scum pool is faust/Awa/MiX?  My own scum reads are ADK and faust, so faust is the common denominator.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 06:08:33 pm

I think faust is most likely scum at this point.

Why?

Some of it is the usual ďstill alive on D4? Heís scumĒ stuff. Then thereís the general lack of remarkableness from him this game that feels out of character for him. And then POE.

Assuming the reads of players I read as town are right, scum pool is faust/Awa/MiX?  My own scum reads are ADK and faust, so faust is the common denominator.

You still think ADK is bad news bears?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 06:44:04 pm
I'm not going to support a non-faust lynch until faust has claimed.

Let's pretend faust claimed to your satisfaction, in that hypothetical world who do you lynch instead of him?

Will you pressure faust into claiming if I answer this question?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 06:50:16 pm
I'm not going to support a non-faust lynch until faust has claimed.

Let's pretend faust claimed to your satisfaction, in that hypothetical world who do you lynch instead of him?

Will you pressure faust into claiming if I answer this question?

This isn't a negotiation, you can answer or not.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: Awaclus on May 22, 2019, 07:05:42 pm
This isn't a negotiation, you can answer or not.

Well, I think it hurts town if I just tell everyone where my scum reads are, but I'm willing to do it if it causes something more beneficial to happen, such as having faust claim.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 07:10:45 pm
This isn't a negotiation, you can answer or not.

Well, I think it hurts town if I just tell everyone where my scum reads are, but I'm willing to do it if it causes something more beneficial to happen, such as having faust claim.

@ADK, thoughts and feelings here?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 07:56:49 pm
I am ok for a faust lynch but not married to it. I have non-awaclusian reasons for not wanting to share my general reads.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 08:01:18 pm
I am ok for a faust lynch but not married to it. I have non-awaclusian reasons for not wanting to share my general reads.

What do you think about him sharing his reads?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: DatSwan on May 22, 2019, 09:55:54 pm
I am having trouble seeing the downside in sharing reads without tons of details attached.

Skum knows who town is, but their goal right now is to find exactly one person.

Us talking about who we find skummy does not give them any more info than they already have... or info that matters at least. At the end of the day they still need to find Kid number 3.

If anything, Rae should keep reads to themselves, outside of that I see no downside of discussion.


Here I will start:

I think there is Skum in Mix/Faust. I also think that it could be exactly Mix and Faust.

I think based on the Roleblocker flip, along with some reads, that I actually think awaclus is town.

I am treating ADK and Rae as literal IC's.

Ashes is my literal null. I think they are skummy, but the messages have me countering my skummy vibes.

I am the same boarder line confidence level that Shraeye is Town as I am Awaclus is Town.


I would very much like to lynch Faust or Mix today. I really don't know who I prefer.
I also cannot decide if claims would be the most beneficial or not. I guess I think that should be decided by Rae/ADK.

Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:08:19 pm
Rushing makes no sense really. We now have a scum flip, so it's a good time to reread and figure out who the partners are. But everyone just seems intent on quick voting. I don't think hunting for Eddie's partners will out the last Baudelaire.

So, did you find anything?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
Post by: raerae on May 22, 2019, 10:11:22 pm
I'm ok with Faust claiming

Missed this the first time through, I'm game too.  Go ahead.
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:35:41 pm
I am having trouble seeing the downside in sharing reads without tons of details attached.

Skum knows who town is, but their goal right now is to find exactly one person.

Us talking about who we find skummy does not give them any more info than they already have... or info that matters at least. At the end of the day they still need to find Kid number 3.

If anything, Rae should keep reads to themselves, outside of that I see no downside of discussion.


Here I will start:

I think there is Skum in Mix/Faust. I also think that it could be exactly Mix and Faust.

I think based on the Roleblocker flip, along with some reads, that I actually think awaclus is town.

I am treating ADK and Rae as literal IC's.

Ashes is my literal null. I think they are skummy, but the messages have me countering my skummy vibes.

I am the same boarder line confidence level that Shraeye is Town as I am Awaclus is Town.


I would very much like to lynch Faust or Mix today. I really don't know who I prefer.
I also cannot decide if claims would be the most beneficial or not. I guess I think that should be decided by Rae/ADK.
at this point, I prefer faust
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: shraeye on May 22, 2019, 10:36:05 pm
Mix, what are your thoughts about ADK saying what seems like "poem might not point to ashersky"?
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: A Drowned Kernel on May 22, 2019, 11:13:11 pm
I am ok for a faust lynch but not married to it. I have non-awaclusian reasons for not wanting to share my general reads.

What do you think about him sharing his reads?

I would like him to but I'm not holding my breath
Title: Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on May 22, 2019, 11:51:18 pm