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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Dominion Online at Shuffle iT => Topic started by: SettingFraming on December 24, 2018, 11:36:56 am

Title: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: SettingFraming on December 24, 2018, 11:36:56 am
The online rankings site Dominion Scavenger (http://dominion.lauxnet.com/scavenger/) has been down for a little over a month now, but I've finally had the time to make the changes necessary to bring the site back up.

Basically I cache a lot more aggressively now, so instead of constantly trying to pull latest results from the live Dominion Online servers, I pull them every minute and cache everything so when individual people load pages it all just happens on my server and doesn't reach out to Dominion Online's servers, potentially overwhelming them. So results should be updated every minute on Scavenger now (both on the "Scavenger" page as well as the "Live Leaderboards" page). As a side note, I've expanded the live leaderboard page to be the top 500 instead of just the top 200 now (http://dominion.lauxnet.com/live_leaderboard/ - must be in top 550 to start the day to be eligible).

My life's been too busy the past month to work on any of the suggestions that I've gotten for the site (quite obviously, as I didn't even fix the site), but the next few things I will work on will likely be:

I've also had several offers of people offering their help to work on the site. While that isn't currently too easy (my dev environments/repository settings are not easy to replicate as of right now, and most people aren't Django developers, which is what the site is written in), I want to make that more possible than it is right now, so I have a goal to make that better.
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: A_S00 on December 24, 2018, 06:21:23 pm
Thanks for the work on this, happy to see it's back!

Question about Glicko ratings (possible bug report?) while you're here:  Are there any circumstances under which a player's mu parameter should decrease after a win?

My match history currently looks like this (https://i.imgur.com/lxhMbbC.png).  The bottom line surprises me; I was under the impression that a win would always increase your mu (the algorithm's "best guess" about your true skill), and that even if your opponent was rated substantially lower, that would only result in a smaller increase in mu.  Have I misunderstood the rating system, or is this possibly a bug?

(Note that I don't specifically remember the game, so even if it is a bug, it could be a display bug rather than an actual ratings implementation bug; that is, maybe the bug is just that a loss is displaying as a win.)
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: traces Around on December 24, 2018, 07:39:17 pm
The mu and other information listed with the games is for that opponent.

In the screenshot it shows that you won 4 games to an expected 3.5 and correspondingly your mu is projected to go up.
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: A_S00 on December 25, 2018, 01:14:40 am
Quote from: traces Around on December 24, 2018, 07:39:17 pm
The mu and other information listed with the games is for that opponent.

In the screenshot it shows that you won 4 games to an expected 3.5 and correspondingly your mu is projected to go up.
Can you unpack this more for me?  Does that mean that the negative number I was pointing out in the mu column doesn't mean "your mu decreased this match", but "this opponent's mu was lower than yours"?

Does that mean the other 3 players I beat has higher mu than me (despite being lower level)?
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: traces Around on December 25, 2018, 11:59:40 am
The mu in the column is the opponent's rating. The only thing that is affected by your rating is the expected win rate.
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: GendoIkari on December 25, 2018, 04:31:40 pm
As someone who doesn't play online... can Scavenger show information about individual games? Or does it only do rankings?

Is this the difference between the Woodcutter tool and the Scavenger tool?
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: Ingix on December 26, 2018, 04:17:17 am
Scavanger shows player names, their ratings parameters, the result and the game number.
It doesn't show kingdom or deck composition over time as the Woodcutter tool.
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: Jimmmy on March 31, 2020, 05:30:21 pm
I've been out for a while and the site seems to be down now. Is it just temporary, or is there any new alternative?
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: Ingix on April 01, 2020, 05:58:27 am
I don't know about the site itself, but AFAIK the access of the site to the Dominion Online database of results has been temporarily cancelled. With the recent slowdowns, it turned out that some of the querries were taking  a large toll on the database server.

The intention is to restore access once the situation has stabilized. When exactly that is, is unclear at the moment.
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: Jimmmy on April 02, 2020, 08:14:26 am
Quote from: Ingix on April 01, 2020, 05:58:27 am
I don't know about the site itself, but AFAIK the access of the site to the Dominion Online database of results has been temporarily cancelled. With the recent slowdowns, it turned out that some of the querries were taking  a large toll on the database server.

The intention is to restore access once the situation has stabilized. When exactly that is, is unclear at the moment.

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: Honkeyfresh on October 22, 2020, 12:41:19 pm
The site is down still fwiw.  Did they ever resolve this issue?  Or is this hosted somewhere else now?
Title: Re: Dominion Scavenger is Back
Post by: jsh357 on October 22, 2020, 01:03:46 pm
Quote from: Honkeyfresh on October 22, 2020, 12:41:19 pm
The site is down still fwiw.  Did they ever resolve this issue?  Or is this hosted somewhere else now?

It's gone. Everyone is using the bot on Discord these days.