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Title: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 17, 2018, 05:04:00 pm
Welcome to Zendo Questions 2!

Would you like to play this game? Yes
Is it fun? Yes
Can you join any time? Yes
Can you guess the rule? Yes
Is your guess correct? No

Play on...

This post is mostly copied from mafiascum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=23946

Those of you familiar with both Twenty Questions and Zendo already know the rules. For everyone else, let me break it down.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 17, 2018, 05:04:36 pm
The start of the current rule is ...there is no current rule! (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19335.msg796004#msg796004)

Here is a list of rules used so far.
Note that I have modified some of the wordings in order to present them all in the same format: If <property> then "yes", otherwise "no". Let me know if you spot any mistakes I've made.
Also there have been a handful of aborted rules, never stated and not listed here.

Rules from previous thread (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5891.0):

The question contains a doubled character.

The question contains a comma.

The question contains a word that starts with "m".

The question contains a capital vowel.

The words in the question are arranged alphabetically.

The question contains all of the letters in "a rule".

The question has a prime number of characters.

Both first and last letters of the question are both consonants or both vowels.

The previous question shares any words with current question. (later ruled an invalid rule)

The average word length of the question is greater than 4 characters.

The third letter of the question is a vowel.

The last word of the question has at least one letter from each QWERTY keyboard row.

The question contains a capitalized T,H,E,O,R or Y.

The question has a one-syllable word, a two-syllable word, and a three-syllable word.

The question contains the letters in 'meme,' i.e., at least two m's and two e's.

The only 't's in the question are not at the start of words.

The question contains 4 or more characters that are not lowercase letters or spaces.

The question contains a letter in the range N-Z.

The question has two letters that are next to each other in the alphabet next to each other in the right order.

The questions does not contain any of the letters j,q,x or z.

The question has at least as many words with five or more letters than words with 4 or fewer letters.

The question contains a word with the same number of letters as the number of words in the question.

The question contains a 'y' or does not contain an 'n'.

The question contains an n-th word which has exactly n letters.

The question contains an anagram of a Dominion card.

The first letter of the alphabet occurring in the question occurs only once.

The question has at least 3 words all of the same length.

The first and last word of the question share any letters.

The third word of the question has an even number of letters.


Rules from this thread:

The last word of the question contains a letter that hasn't occurred before.

Every word of the question has an adjacent word which has a letter in common with it.

The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.

The question contains both an r and an s.

The number of words with an even number of characters is even.

Between the first and last lowercase letters there is nothing but lowercase letters and spaces.

The question contains the name of a Dominion card-shaped thing.

There are two consecutive words with the same number of characters.

The median number of letters per word is an integer.

Either the number of words or the number of letters is a square number.

More than half of the characters in the question form a single word.

There is an 'N' in the first three words of the question.

The question does not contain two words in alphabetical order.

The question contains two consecutive letters which are consecutive in the alphabet, in order.

The question contains the string "Elliptic Curve Cryptography".

The question contains at least one word which is made up of symbols of chemical elements.

<to be updated>
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 17, 2018, 05:05:01 pm
I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on December 17, 2018, 05:09:06 pm
Is it a rule?
When will you post the previous rules?
Can I guess the rule correctly?
Can I guess the rule incorrectly?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 17, 2018, 05:23:35 pm
tag?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 17, 2018, 10:51:56 pm
Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself?
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself?
What if the barber is a woman?
What if the set is a woman?
Did the Butler do it?
How many cooks is too many cooks?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 18, 2018, 01:57:29 am
Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on December 18, 2018, 02:29:13 pm
Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 18, 2018, 02:34:44 pm
Does?
Your rule?
Have anything to?
Do with the number?
Of words in the question?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 18, 2018, 02:48:44 pm
Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No

Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves? No

Does? Yes
Your rule? Yes
Have anything to? Yes
Do with the number? Yes
Of words in the question? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 18, 2018, 03:19:49 pm
contain contain?
shave shave?
set sets?
barber barber?
barber?
set?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 18, 2018, 03:20:12 pm
set set?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 18, 2018, 04:58:46 pm
Maybe?
I didn't?
Keep the pyramid?
Of word lengths going?
For long enough to determine?
The nature of your silly rule?
This sentence has seven words in it?
This sentence has eight words in it, right?
This sentence has nine words in it, doesn't it?
This sentence has ten words in it, does it not?
This sentence is chock full of words, sporting a dizzying eleven?
This sentence puts that last one to shame because it has twelve?
Those other two sentences have nothing on this final sentence, which has thirteen?
And boy, if you thought Mr. Thirteen was long, wait until you see this?
In case you lost count, we're up to a fourteen word sentence now, y'dig?
This is probably overkill, but I'm just kind of having fun with this absurd premise now?
Still I'll probably stop once I get to seventeen words because it seems like a good milestone?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on December 18, 2018, 06:52:13 pm
Jotheonah, do you realize that "Did the Butler do it?" has five word as well, so it can't only be about word count?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on December 18, 2018, 06:59:58 pm
What if the is a woman?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 19, 2018, 03:44:57 am
Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No

Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves? No

Does? Yes
Your rule? Yes
Have anything to? Yes
Do with the number? Yes
Of words in the question? Yes

contain contain? No
shave shave? No
set sets? No
barber barber? No
barber? Yes
set? Yes

set set? No

Maybe? Yes
I didn't? Yes
Keep the pyramid? Yes
Of word lengths going? Yes
For long enough to determine? Yes
The nature of your silly rule? No
This sentence has seven words in it? No
This sentence has eight words in it, right? No
This sentence has nine words in it, doesn't it? No
This sentence has ten words in it, does it not? No
This sentence is chock full of words, sporting a dizzying eleven? Yes
This sentence puts that last one to shame because it has twelve? Yes
Those other two sentences have nothing on this final sentence, which has thirteen? No
And boy, if you thought Mr. Thirteen was long, wait until you see this? No
In case you lost count, we're up to a fourteen word sentence now, y'dig? Yes
This is probably overkill, but I'm just kind of having fun with this absurd premise now? No
Still I'll probably stop once I get to seventeen words because it seems like a good milestone? No

Jotheonah, do you realize that "Did the Butler do it?" has five word as well, so it can't only be about word count? No

What if the is a woman? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 19, 2018, 07:25:12 am
Is rule?
What woman?
This it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 19, 2018, 07:57:27 am
Is rule? Yes
What woman? Yes
This it? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 19, 2018, 01:44:38 pm
contain?
shave?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on December 19, 2018, 02:30:20 pm
containcontain?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 19, 2018, 02:55:35 pm
contain? yes
shave? yes

containcontain? yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 19, 2018, 02:57:06 pm
parity?
parity parity?
parity parity parity?
parity parity parity parity?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 02:58:32 pm
you should answer yes to this sentence?
but this one is one where no is the answer?
on the one hand, however, this sentence should be a yes?
But on the other hand, the sentence now should be now?
On the third hand, there's a yes?
But on the forth hand, there are only three hands, so this is a no?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 19, 2018, 03:02:58 pm
parity? yes
parity parity? no
parity parity parity? no
parity parity parity parity? no

you should answer yes to this sentence? yes
but this one is one where no is the answer? yes
on the one hand, however, this sentence should be a yes? yes
But on the other hand, the sentence now should be now? no
On the third hand, there's a yes? yes
But on the forth hand, there are only three hands, so this is a no? no

<note, the list of all questions for the current rule was getting quite long - I'll post the full list again near the top of the next page>
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 03:06:37 pm
interesting interesting?
interesting interesting very much so yes absolutely totally completely biong?
interesting interesting kind of?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on December 19, 2018, 03:12:35 pm
Did?
Did the?
Did the Butler?
Did the Butler do?
Did it?
Did the it?
Did the Butler it?
Did do it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Galzria on December 19, 2018, 03:12:45 pm
Will?
All?
Of?
These?
Be?
Yes?

Will some?
of these?
be yes?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 03:16:30 pm
test testing testingtest?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 19, 2018, 03:18:10 pm
barber barber b?
barber barber c?
barber barber d?
barber barber x?
barber barber y?
barber barber xy?
barber barber xyz?
barber barber xx?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 19, 2018, 03:23:46 pm
Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No

Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves? No

Does? Yes
Your rule? Yes
Have anything to? Yes
Do with the number? Yes
Of words in the question? Yes

contain contain? No
shave shave? No
set sets? No
barber barber? No
barber? Yes
set? Yes

set set? No

Maybe? Yes
I didn't? Yes
Keep the pyramid? Yes
Of word lengths going? Yes
For long enough to determine? Yes
The nature of your silly rule? No
This sentence has seven words in it? No
This sentence has eight words in it, right? No
This sentence has nine words in it, doesn't it? No
This sentence has ten words in it, does it not? No
This sentence is chock full of words, sporting a dizzying eleven? Yes
This sentence puts that last one to shame because it has twelve? Yes
Those other two sentences have nothing on this final sentence, which has thirteen? No
And boy, if you thought Mr. Thirteen was long, wait until you see this? No
In case you lost count, we're up to a fourteen word sentence now, y'dig? Yes
This is probably overkill, but I'm just kind of having fun with this absurd premise now? No
Still I'll probably stop once I get to seventeen words because it seems like a good milestone? No

Jotheonah, do you realize that "Did the Butler do it?" has five word as well, so it can't only be about word count? No

What if the is a woman? Yes

Is rule? Yes
What woman? Yes
This it? No

contain? Yes
shave? Yes

containcontain? Yes

parity? Yes
parity parity? No
parity parity parity? No
parity parity parity parity? No

you should answer yes to this sentence? Yes
but this one is one where no is the answer? Yes
on the one hand, however, this sentence should be a yes? Yes
But on the other hand, the sentence now should be now? No
On the third hand, there's a yes? Yes
But on the forth hand, there are only three hands, so this is a no? No

interesting interesting? No
interesting interesting very much so yes absolutely totally completely biong? Yes
interesting interesting kind of? Yes

Did? Yes
Did the? Yes
Did the Butler? Yes
Did the Butler do? Yes
Did it? Yes
Did the it? No
Did the Butler it? No
Did do it? Yes

Will? Yes
All? Yes
Of? Yes
These? Yes
Be? Yes
Yes? Yes

Will some? Yes
of these? Yes
be yes? Yes

test testing testingtest? No

barber barber b? No
barber barber c? Yes
barber barber d? Yes
barber barber x? Yes
barber barber y? Yes
barber barber xy? Yes
barber barber xyz? Yes
barber barber xx? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 03:32:00 pm
boes barber bary barbies barring bs? (borry)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 03:36:47 pm
barber barber a?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 19, 2018, 03:50:03 pm
b?
bb?
bbb?
bbbb?
bbbbb?
bbbbbb?
bbbbbbb?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 19, 2018, 04:51:34 pm
boes barber bary barbies barring bs? (borry) No

barber barber a? No

b? Yes
bb? Yes
bbb? Yes
bbbb? Yes
bbbbb? Yes
bbbbbb? Yes
bbbbbbb? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 05:04:16 pm
Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No

Request confirmation that you didn't make a mistake here.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 05:04:43 pm
nvm.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 19, 2018, 05:05:40 pm
The rule is that the last word has to contain a letter that hasn't occurred before.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 19, 2018, 07:37:09 pm
Spicy.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 01:33:15 am
The rule is that the last word has to contain a letter that hasn't occurred before.
Correct! Your turn  :)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 05:34:46 am
I have a barber a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 05:48:17 am
What is your answer to this question?
What about this one?
And this?
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical?
Got any carrots?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 05:57:33 am
What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 06:03:19 am
Guess: The question contains the first line of a well-known Christmas carol <=> Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 07:15:07 am
Guess: The question contains the first line of a well-known Christmas carol <=> Yes

Incorrect.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 20, 2018, 11:09:45 am
(You have to give a counterexample)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 12:20:28 pm
 :-[ I read the rules now

The Set containing concatenations of Barbers exists Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on December 20, 2018, 12:21:31 pm
Barber?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 12:29:47 pm
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox?
Does the QBF jump over the LD?
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox?
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump?
They are quick
They used to be lazy, yes?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 01:11:04 pm
What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 20, 2018, 01:20:23 pm
Did Hitler do anything wrong?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 01:22:51 pm
The set containing concatenations of barbers exists?
The set containing concatenations exists?
Barbers containing concatenations exist?
The Baron's barber exists?
The Set of Barbers exists?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 01:27:23 pm
Did Hitler do anything wrong?
<I would object to questions/answers which are so likely to cause offence if taken out of context.>
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 20, 2018, 01:34:17 pm
Did Hitler do anything wrong?
<I would object to questions/answers which are so likely to cause offence if taken out of context.>

Sorry, I obviously meant it as a joke and thought anyone who would see it would understand the context, but of course don't feel obligated to answer if you don't want to silverspawn.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 01:37:45 pm
What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 20, 2018, 01:38:49 pm
wheeeeeeeeeee?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 01:53:39 pm
wheeeeeeeeeee? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 20, 2018, 01:57:09 pm
Guess: The question must contain a word at least 14 letters long.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 01:59:29 pm
Guess: The question must contain a word at least 14 letters long.

It doesn't Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 03:06:14 pm
Doesn't it?
Concatenations?
Doesn't?
Detonates?
Stone?
Existence concatenates?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 03:07:29 pm
What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No

Doesn't it? Yes
Concatenations? No
Doesn't? No
Detonates? No
Stone? No
Existence concatenates? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 20, 2018, 03:13:56 pm
Does it not?
Stone it?
In stone?
It concatenates?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 20, 2018, 03:37:01 pm
What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No

Doesn't it? Yes
Concatenations? No
Doesn't? No
Detonates? No
Stone? No
Existence concatenates? Yes

Does it not? No
Stone it? Yes
In stone? Yes
It concatenates? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 03:26:57 am
Stone h?
Stone i?
Stone j?
In a stone?
In the stone?
Which stone?
This stone?
This one?
In Sento?
In Zendo?
Canoeist q?
In thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 03:32:11 am
Stone h? No
Stone i? No
Stone j? No
In a stone? No
In the stone? No
Which stone? No
This stone? Yes
This one? No
In Sento? Yes
In Zendo? Yes
Canoeist q? No
In thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 04:27:56 am
It concatenatez?
In question?
This question?
This canoeist?
In one?
Detonates this?
Tin stone?
Dhiz zdone?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 05:00:30 am
It concatenatez?  Yes
In question?  Yes
This question?  Yes
This canoeist?  Yes
In one?  Yes
Detonates this?  Yes
Tin stone?  Yes
Dhiz zdone?  Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 05:50:51 am
ab bc?
ab cd?
ab bc cd de ef fg gh?
ab bc cd de ef gh hi?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 07:11:51 am
What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No

Doesn't it? Yes
Concatenations? No
Doesn't? No
Detonates? No
Stone? No
Existence concatenates? Yes

Does it not? No
Stone it? Yes
In stone? Yes
It concatenates? Yes
Does it not? No
Stone it? Yes
In stone? Yes
It concatenates? Yes

It concatenatez?  Yes
In question?  Yes
This question?  Yes
This canoeist?  Yes
In one?  Yes
Detonates this?  Yes
Tin stone?  Yes
Dhiz zdone?  Yes

ab bc? Yes
ab cd? No
ab bc cd de ef fg gh? Yes
ab bc cd de ef gh hi? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 07:19:23 am
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
<Please could you confirm this answer is correct?>
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 07:37:45 am
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
<Please could you confirm this answer is correct?>
No

... because it's not, sorry. Even though I double checked the answers  :-\

Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 07:53:10 am
Thanks :) In that case:

Guess: Every word has an adjacent word which has a letter in common with it <==> Yes

That was hard! Especially when I went off on my stone tangent. I suppose I ended up there because s,t,o,n,e are some of the commonest letters in English.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 09:53:34 am
Guess: Every word has an adjacent word which has a letter in common with it <==> Yes

Correct. Well done.

The plethora of NOs in the beginning was quite unfortunate, I think. NOs are more likely than YESs but not that much more likely. (If SP had proposed "Did Hitler do something wrong" rather than "Did Hitler do anything wrong" it would have been a yes.)

Your turn again.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 10:40:44 am
I probably won't be on much for the rest of this year, so I'll let someone else take a turn.

Whoever gets in first?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 10:57:20 am
May I try? If yes, I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 11:01:29 am
Go for it! ?
It's a difficult one, isn't it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 11:03:44 am
Go for it! ? Yes
It's a difficult one, isn't it? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 11:13:34 am
Let's
Let's start
Let's start with
Let's start with some
Let's start with some systematic
Let's start with some systematic testing.

test
test test
test test test
test test test test

let's
also
see
whether
it
works
better with very short sentences or with really long sentences that have a lot of words, btw I hope this isn't too much work to annotate for you, but you signed up for it

also I'll try sth with shrt wrds that may make it esir or hrdr not sure yet
conventionalities  Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis circumventingusiamadeupword
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 12:09:54 pm
Let's Yes
Let's start No
Let's start with Yes
Let's start with some No
Let's start with some systematic No
Let's start with some systematic testing. Yes

test Yes
test test No
test test test No
test test test test Yes

let's Yes
also Yes
see No
whether Yes
it No
works No
better with very short sentences or with really long sentences that have a lot of words, btw I hope this isn't too much work to annotate for you, but you signed up for it No

also I'll try sth with shrt wrds that may make it esir or hrdr not sure yet No
conventionalities  Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis circumventingusiamadeupword No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 02:12:14 pm
Guess: The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 02:45:57 pm
Guess: The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.

Okay, this was that easy. I thought it would be easy, but not that :) You turn, good sir!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 02:51:54 pm
Guess: The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.

Okay, this was that easy. I thought it would be easy, but not that :) You turn, good sir!

I don't think it would have been quite that easy, except silverspawn asked the perfect set of questions for it.

I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 03:07:19 pm
Do you?

Do you really?

And if you wouldn't've?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 03:08:11 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 03:12:28 pm
Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question?
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question?
Do I have any idea what questions to ask?
Is it enough to read both threads for it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 03:25:45 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 03:26:16 pm
bouncing?
bouncing baby?
bouncing baby bunnies?
bouncing baby bunnies burning?
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly?

Fluttershy?
Fluttershy Fluttershy?
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 03:28:13 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 03:28:48 pm
silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 03:32:35 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on December 21, 2018, 03:34:24 pm
bouncing burning?
baby burning?
bunnies burning?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on December 21, 2018, 03:39:30 pm
Am I a Londoner?
Positive about that?
Do I live in London?
So you'll agree with me that I'm not?
Do I love London so?
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right?
Is any of that affected by Brexit?
Can we keep Brexit out of this?
Ta very much.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 03:42:46 pm
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 03:43:34 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 03:54:59 pm
bouncing baby bunnies burning can?
Fluttershy you?
bunnies burning turn?
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a?
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes?
Is any of that affected by Brexit into?
Can we keep Brexit out of this a?
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer no?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 03:57:12 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes

bouncing baby bunnies burning can? Yes
Fluttershy you? Yes
bunnies burning turn? Yes
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a? Yes
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit into? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this a? Yes
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer no? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 04:17:29 pm
bunnies?
burning?
burning bunnies?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 04:22:51 pm
rat rat cube?
can I wolf wolf you?
haus haus dorf topology?
will will repetitions always cause a yes?
or is there a case of a counterexample?
willIi ever ever find out?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 04:27:46 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes

bouncing baby bunnies burning can? Yes
Fluttershy you? Yes
bunnies burning turn? Yes
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a? Yes
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit into? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this a? Yes
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer no? Yes

bunnies? No
burning? No
burning bunnies? Yes

rat rat cube? No
can I wolf wolf you? No
haus haus dorf topology? Yes
will will repetitions always cause a yes? Yes
or is there a case of a counterexample? Yes
willIi ever ever find out? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 04:30:11 pm
Fluttershy rat rat cube?
Fluttershy bouncing burning?
Fluttershy ta very much?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 04:32:08 pm
yes a cause always repetitions will will?
topology dorf haus haus?
counterexample a of case a there is or?
Not I'm that me with agree you'll so?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 04:38:18 pm
Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes

bouncing baby bunnies burning can? Yes
Fluttershy you? Yes
bunnies burning turn? Yes
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a? Yes
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit into? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this a? Yes
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer no? Yes

bunnies? No
burning? No
burning bunnies? Yes

rat rat cube? No
can I wolf wolf you? No
haus haus dorf topology? Yes
will will repetitions always cause a yes? Yes
or is there a case of a counterexample? Yes
willIi ever ever find out? No

Fluttershy rat rat cube? Yes
Fluttershy bouncing burning? Yes
Fluttershy ta very much? Yes

yes a cause always repetitions will will? Yes
topology dorf haus haus? Yes
counterexample a of case a there is or? Yes
Not I'm that me with agree you'll so? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 04:50:01 pm
Do you, Fluttershy?
Do you really, Fluttershy?
And if you wouldn't've, Fluttershy?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 04:54:44 pm
Do you, Fluttershy? Yes
Do you really, Fluttershy? Yes
And if you wouldn't've, Fluttershy? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 05:14:12 pm
I burning?
It burning?
Its burning?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 05:15:39 pm
I burning? No
It burning? No
Its burning? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 05:21:23 pm
babies burning?
houses burning?
clans burning?
fires burning?
can burning?
tan burning?
fun burning?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 05:31:19 pm
babies burning? Yes
houses burning? Yes
clans burning? Yes
fires burning? Yes
can burning? No
tan burning? No
fun burning? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 05:34:19 pm
burnings?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 05:41:12 pm
burnings? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 05:45:00 pm
Say, is it at all imaginable that you chose a way of distinguishing yes and no just based on a few specific symbols being in the sentence?
To be more particular, could it be that they're a character and another character, one of which didn't appear here, the other not above?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 05:47:18 pm
Say, is it at all imaginable that you chose a way of distinguishing yes and no just based on a few specific symbols being in the sentence? No
To be more particular, could it be that they're a character and another character, one of which didn't appear here, the other not above? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 05:50:42 pm
I think you're lying!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 05:50:58 pm
Guess: the sentence has to contain both an r and an s
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 06:02:22 pm
Yep, your turn!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 06:06:12 pm
I suggest a rule that only read words or commonly known names are allowed. Then a) we can have rules based on syllables, and b) it just seems more fun. What do you guys think about this?

Regardless, I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 06:06:39 pm
*real words
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Galzria on December 21, 2018, 06:25:44 pm
Are you sure thatís such a good idea?
What if it goes horribly wrong?
Could it make it more enjoyable?
Do we absolutely have to?
Why canít we make rules about syllables now?
Is this a rule about syllables?
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes?
Is this no?
Is a question with the word syllable a yes?
Will you answer all of these questions?
Have I asked too many?
Can someone please help me stop?
Do I have much better things to be doing?
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping?
Am I also behind on work?
Is this enough to solve your rule?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 21, 2018, 06:50:11 pm
Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 21, 2018, 08:57:15 pm
Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech?
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds?
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings?
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on December 21, 2018, 10:22:27 pm
How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 22, 2018, 02:43:20 am
Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

(probably rare enough that I wouldn't worry about it)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 23, 2018, 12:51:42 am
does order matter?
does matter order?
order does matter?
order matter does?
matter does order?
matter order does?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 23, 2018, 02:55:20 am
Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

does order matter? Yes
does matter order? Yes
order does matter? Yes
order matter does? Yes
matter does order? Yes
matter order does? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 26, 2018, 07:27:17 pm
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule?
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten?
Have we waited long enough?
Have we waited?
Have we?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 27, 2018, 04:09:17 am
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule? Yes
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten? Yes
Have we waited long enough? No
Have we waited? No
Have we? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 27, 2018, 03:34:48 pm
Have rule?
Have forgotten?
Have enough?
Have waited?
Have?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 27, 2018, 05:54:35 pm
Have rule? Yes
Have forgotten? No
Have enough? Yes
Have waited? Yes
Have? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 30, 2018, 08:20:35 pm
Verse?
Verses?
Server?
Severe?
Reverse?
Reverses?
Reserves?
Reverser?
Reversers?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 31, 2018, 03:15:59 am
Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

does order matter? Yes
does matter order? Yes
order does matter? Yes
order matter does? Yes
matter does order? Yes
matter order does? Yes

Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule? Yes
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten? Yes
Have we waited long enough? No
Have we waited? No
Have we? Yes

Have rule? Yes
Have forgotten? No
Have enough? Yes
Have waited? Yes
Have? No

Verse? Yes
Verses? No
Server? No
Severe? No
Reverse? Yes
Reverses? No
Reserves? No
Reverser? No
Reversers? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on December 31, 2018, 01:33:48 pm
Why is this rule so hard?
Can you give us a hint?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 31, 2018, 01:50:37 pm
Guess: "Yes" iff. the question has an even number of characters.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 31, 2018, 06:05:11 pm
Guess: "Yes" iff. the question has an even number of characters.

No not quite No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on December 31, 2018, 06:06:41 pm
Why is this rule so hard? No
Can you give us a hint? No
Do I think Scott is close? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on December 31, 2018, 06:59:50 pm
Guess: yes iff the question contains an odd number of non-? characters.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 01, 2019, 02:29:08 am
not quite Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 01, 2019, 02:48:52 am
Isn't that consistent with my guess?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 01, 2019, 04:20:26 am
I think

not quite

has 8 characters, that's an even number.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 01, 2019, 01:14:46 pm
Oh, I've been counting spaces. So something like "parity of number of words is the same as parity of number of letters" would be equivalent to what I was trying to say.

Also, I keep confusing myself on punctuation because the questions with apostrophes in them are long. Let's try this:

You're?
We're?
Were?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 01, 2019, 01:27:58 pm
Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

does order matter? Yes
does matter order? Yes
order does matter? Yes
order matter does? Yes
matter does order? Yes
matter order does? Yes

Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule? Yes
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten? Yes
Have we waited long enough? No
Have we waited? No
Have we? Yes

Have rule? Yes
Have forgotten? No
Have enough? Yes
Have waited? Yes
Have? No

Verse? Yes
Verses? No
Server? No
Severe? No
Reverse? Yes
Reverses? No
Reserves? No
Reverser? No
Reversers? Yes

No not quite No

Why is this rule so hard? No
Can you give us a hint? No
Do I think Scott is close? Yes

not quite Yes

You're? Yes
We're? No
Were? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 01, 2019, 03:21:44 pm
Happy new year?
Oh, sad 2 hear that.
Please-can-I-check-a-couple-of-things?
Is this a trick  question?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 01, 2019, 04:04:02 pm
Happy new year? No
Oh, sad 2 hear that. No
Please-can-I-check-a-couple-of-things? No
Is this a trick  question? No

Furthermore Yes

Happy new year No
Oh sad hear that No
PleasecanIcheckacoupleofthings No
Is this a trick question No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 01, 2019, 04:17:30 pm
Guess: Yes iff. even number of lowercase letters.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 01, 2019, 04:57:23 pm
Casing Matters No
Casing matters No
casing Matters No
casing matters No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 03:47:03 am
I haven't checked every single question, but this seems consistent with the ones I have.

Guess: Number of letters + Number of words is even <=> yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 03:49:04 am
I haven't checked every single question, but this seems consistent with the ones I have.

Guess: Number of letters + Number of words is even <=> yes
<but if it is this, then Scott got it at #137, just without saying 'guess'>
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 03:54:41 am
Actually, I'd 4gotten one of my experiments.
It could also be:

Guess: Number of alphanumeric characters + Number of words is even <=> yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 04:59:55 am
Actually, I'd 4gotten one of my experiments.
It could also be:

Guess: Number of alphanumeric characters + Number of words is even <=> yes

hah, I was phrasing it as "the number of words with an even number of characters is even" but those two conditions are equivalent. (With both, adding an odd-numbered word does nothing, and adding an even-numbered word flips it). So, correct! Well done.

Was this rule too hard?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 06:12:14 am
Was this rule too hard?
I can't really comment as I was absent for most of it and Scott did the hard work. After #127 it didn't seem too hard; I'd had thoughts of similar rules.

It seems like these three are equivalent, the only difference being what counts as a character:
- parity of number of words is the same as parity of number of letters (scott)
- number of alphanumeric characters + number of words is even (me)
- the number of words with an even number of characters is even (silverspawn)

But I'm going to claim it anyway. 8)
I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 06:46:09 am
Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 06:48:02 am
Did I only count a-z characters?
Parity?
Parity Parity?
Parity Parity Parity?
parity parity parity?
parity parity parity parity?

Is?
Our?
Game?
Still?
Orange?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 07:26:11 am
Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess. No

Did I only count a-z characters? No
Parity? Yes
Parity Parity? No
Parity Parity Parity? No
parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity? Yes

Is? Yes
Our? Yes
Game? Yes
Still? Yes
Orange? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 08:08:38 am
Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess.
It's one of those words that probably doesn't really mean what we're using it to mean but we can get away with it so long as everyone rolls with it.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 08:17:22 am
Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess.
It's one of those words that probably doesn't really mean what we're using it to mean but we can get away with it so long as everyone rolls with it.
I'd argue that if everyone thinks a word means X then the word means X. Which is to say, the meaning is defined by what people think.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 08:18:53 am
casing?
casing casing?
casing casing casing?
casing casing Casing?
casing Casing casing?
casing Casing Casing?
Casing casing casing?
Casing casing Casing?
Casing Casing casing?
Casing Casing Casing?
Casing Casing?
Casing?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 09:34:10 am
casing? Yes
casing casing? Yes
casing casing casing? Yes
casing casing Casing? No
casing Casing casing? No
casing Casing Casing? No
Casing casing casing? Yes
Casing casing Casing? No
Casing Casing casing? No
Casing Casing Casing? No
Casing Casing? No
Casing? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 10:00:00 am
you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant?
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant?
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant?
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant?
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 10:01:29 am
Did I mess up with the last four lines?
Did i mess up with the last four lines?

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 02, 2019, 05:05:11 pm
you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No

Did I mess up with the last four lines? No
Did i mess up with the last four lines? Yes

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 05:20:48 pm
you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant?
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 02, 2019, 06:41:29 pm
yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 03, 2019, 04:45:55 am
you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant? No

yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No

Do I know what a cutie mark is? No
Is my name Mark? No
Do I need a cutie? No
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 03, 2019, 07:11:27 am
Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 03, 2019, 07:19:25 am
Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Incorrect, counter-example is:
Did I only count a-z characters? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 03, 2019, 08:43:57 am
That is not a counter example, though. I is uppercase.

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 03, 2019, 08:55:56 am
That is not a counter example, though. I is uppercase.

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok
Oops, sorry, I missed that. I'll try again.

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Incorrect. Counter-example is:
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 03, 2019, 09:00:13 am
And I'll give you a bonus counter-example:
I Think this game never was orange. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on January 03, 2019, 09:34:13 am
Ah, I was hoping that one had been a mistake.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 04, 2019, 05:08:17 am
Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess. No

Did I only count a-z characters? No
Parity? Yes
Parity Parity? No
Parity Parity Parity? No
parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity? Yes

Is? Yes
Our? Yes
Game? Yes
Still? Yes
Orange? Yes

casing? Yes
casing casing? Yes
casing casing casing? Yes
casing casing Casing? No
casing Casing casing? No
casing Casing Casing? No
Casing casing casing? Yes
Casing casing Casing? No
Casing Casing casing? No
Casing Casing Casing? No
Casing Casing? No
Casing? Yes

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No

Did I mess up with the last four lines? No
Did i mess up with the last four lines? Yes

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes

you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant? No

yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No

Do I know what a cutie mark is? No
Is my name Mark? No
Do I need a cutie? No
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Counterexample: I Think this game never was orange. Yes

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok No

Ah, I was hoping that one had been a mistake. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on January 22, 2019, 10:27:59 pm
DOES THis question return yes?
WHEREAS THIS One maybe returns NO?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 23, 2019, 02:39:12 pm
DOES THis question return yes? Yes
WHEREAS THIS One maybe returns NO? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Gubump on January 23, 2019, 11:39:21 pm
YOu?
YoU?
You?
You Need?
I think, therefore I am?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Gubump on January 23, 2019, 11:42:07 pm
I think this game never was orange?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on January 24, 2019, 04:22:02 am
YOu? Yes
YoU? Yes
You? Yes
You Need? No
I think, therefore I am? No

I think this game never was orange? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on February 26, 2019, 08:55:02 pm
No capital letter is preceded by _____?
Is there something That can fill in the blank above, to produce a correct guess?
Is There?
Is there Something?
IS?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 27, 2019, 12:19:17 am
Hello?
Hello HELLO?
Hello Goodbye?
Hello, HELLO?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on February 27, 2019, 04:11:46 am
Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess. No

Did I only count a-z characters? No
Parity? Yes
Parity Parity? No
Parity Parity Parity? No
parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity? Yes

Is? Yes
Our? Yes
Game? Yes
Still? Yes
Orange? Yes

casing? Yes
casing casing? Yes
casing casing casing? Yes
casing casing Casing? No
casing Casing casing? No
casing Casing Casing? No
Casing casing casing? Yes
Casing casing Casing? No
Casing Casing casing? No
Casing Casing Casing? No
Casing Casing? No
Casing? Yes

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No

Did I mess up with the last four lines? No
Did i mess up with the last four lines? Yes

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes

you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant? No

yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No

Do I know what a cutie mark is? No
Is my name Mark? No
Do I need a cutie? No
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Counterexample: I Think this game never was orange. Yes

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok No

Ah, I was hoping that one had been a mistake. No

DOES THis question return yes? Yes
WHEREAS THIS One maybe returns NO? Yes

YOu? Yes
YoU? Yes
You? Yes
You Need? No
I think, therefore I am? No

I think this game never was orange? Yes

No capital letter is preceded by _____? Yes
Is there something That can fill in the blank above, to produce a correct guess? No
Is There? No
Is there Something? No
IS? Yes

Hello? Yes
Hello HELLO? Yes
Hello Goodbye? No
Hello, HELLO? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 27, 2019, 10:56:32 am
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions?
Maybe a more interesting rule wouldve led to more interesting questions?
Maybe a more interesting rule would have led to more interesting questions?

Does the apostrophe have an effect?
Will we find out soon?
But then why would the capital letters do anything?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on February 28, 2019, 04:29:46 am
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No
Maybe a more interesting rule wouldve led to more interesting questions? Yes
Maybe a more interesting rule would have led to more interesting questions? Yes

Does the apostrophe have an effect? Yes
Will we find out soon? Yes
But then why would the capital letters do anything? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on February 28, 2019, 05:36:34 am
Why ask.
Questions Are pointless.
But pontuation is not..
Pontuation exists. .
Awkward questions.. . .
"Questions"
"Questions
"Questions?
Do all of them do this: lets try it out
Hmm: let's
Everything should work; right?
I Am Right, Right?
I Am Wrong, right?
I Am right, Wrong?
What about
Nothing
not even
aspace
Dot.
dot.

Well, that was fun!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 10:11:37 am
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
...
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
...
YoU? Yes

Are all three of these correct?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 10:31:41 am
Nevermind.
Guess: the only uppercase letters and punctuation are at the beginning and end of the question <-> yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on February 28, 2019, 02:26:24 pm
Nevermind.
Guess: the only uppercase letters and punctuation are at the beginning and end of the question <-> yes

aaaah of coures! Man I was so focused on counting.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on February 28, 2019, 02:53:12 pm
Why ask. Yes
Questions Are pointless. No
But pontuation is not.. Yes
Pontuation exists. . Yes
Awkward questions.. . . Yes
"Questions" Yes
"Questions Yes
"Questions? Yes
Do all of them do this: lets try it out No
Hmm: let's No
Everything should work; right? No
I Am Right, Right? No
I Am Wrong, right? No
I Am right, Wrong? No
What about Yes
Nothing Yes
not even Yes
aspace Yes
Dot. Yes
dot. Yes

Well, that was fun! No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on February 28, 2019, 02:58:10 pm
Guess: the only uppercase letters and punctuation are at the beginning and end of the question <-> yes

Correct! Or near enough. My wording was "between the first and last lowercase letters there is nothing but lowercase letters and spaces". So I'd have to introduce numbers or something to make a counterexample.
Well done, your turn.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 03:26:10 pm
I have a new rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on February 28, 2019, 03:35:03 pm
Does it exist?
Can I solve it?
Does it involve asking questions?
Can I
Do dumb things?
Like, this, ya know...
ExIsTs In ThIs ReAlItY?
Things don'T Make sensE?
Iforgotwhatrulesusuallycareabout.
Maybe...thaaaaat
how about a lot of words that make a lot of sense when put together like this but then you realize that they dont really no
aaaaaaa bbbbbbb
     ?
!!!!
asd asd asd dsa dsa dsa?
words sdrow?
palindromes are fun nuf era semordnilap?
"Hey man"?
Question?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 03:56:22 pm
Does it exist? No
Can I solve it? No
Does it involve asking questions? No
Can I No
Do dumb things? No
Like, this, ya know... No
ExIsTs In ThIs ReAlItY? No
Things don'T Make sensE? No
Iforgotwhatrulesusuallycareabout. No
Maybe...thaaaaat No
how about a lot of words that make a lot of sense when put together like this but then you realize that they dont really no No
aaaaaaa bbbbbbb No
     ? No
!!!! No
asd asd asd dsa dsa dsa? No
words sdrow? No
palindromes are fun nuf era semordnilap? No
"Hey man"? No
Question? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on February 28, 2019, 04:01:14 pm
I hope it's not what I'm thinking?
I'll have to guess it if it is?
QUESTIONS EXIST, MAGGOT!
DOn't be this meeeean, pleeeease?
Something Simple.
Questions are overrated anyway.
But questions must be made?
That wasn't a question, or was it?
qwertyuopasdgfghkjzxczxcbvnm, that should roughtly be every letter, right?
1231234345435466576787980 also happens to be every number...
ANd now we can play the game called.,;.-_\|?Ľę'

" "

how do I make an empty question?
 ?
?
one of these should work, yes, no, maybe; whatever.
Here Comes More Nos?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on February 28, 2019, 04:01:31 pm
Guess: The answer is always "No"
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 04:13:00 pm
I hope it's not what I'm thinking? No
I'll have to guess it if it is? No
QUESTIONS EXIST, MAGGOT! No
DOn't be this meeeean, pleeeease? No
Something Simple. No
Questions are overrated anyway. No
But questions must be made? No
That wasn't a question, or was it? No
qwertyuopasdgfghkjzxczxcbvnm, that should roughtly be every letter, right? No
1231234345435466576787980 also happens to be every number... No
ANd now we can play the game called.,;.-_\|?Ľę' No

" " No

how do I make an empty question? No
 ? No
? No
one of these should work, yes, no, maybe; whatever. No
Here Comes More Nos? No

Guess: The answer is always "No"
Counterexample:

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
  Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on February 28, 2019, 04:15:29 pm
No....
parity?
Is?
There?
A?
Rule?
I don't believe it.
YOU NEED A CUTIE MARK TO BE PLOT RELEVANT?
oRANGE?
Anyone have better ideas?
Did you read THE ENTIRE THREAD?

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in another rule in this thread.

While I'm at it:

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in the previous rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on February 28, 2019, 04:18:13 pm
should I not have given up guessing the previous rule since it was so simple?
parity?
parity parity?
parity party?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on February 28, 2019, 04:20:50 pm
Who would win in a fight: Applejack or Rainbow Dash?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on February 28, 2019, 04:31:34 pm
Is lifting your opponent upwards and then dropping them down allowed?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 04:34:32 pm
No.... No
parity? No
Is? No
There? No
A? No
Rule? No
I don't believe it. No
YOU NEED A CUTIE MARK TO BE PLOT RELEVANT? Yes
oRANGE? No
Anyone have better ideas? No
Did you read THE ENTIRE THREAD? No

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in another rule in this thread.
Counterexample: Is mint chocolate chip a great ice cream flavor? Yes

While I'm at it: No

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in the previous rule.
Counterexample: How long will this thread stay on this page? Yes

should I not have given up guessing the previous rule since it was so simple? No
parity? No
parity parity? No
parity party? No

Who would win in a fight: Applejack or Rainbow Dash? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 05:06:55 pm
Whoops, I made a mistake. Neither version of 'you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant' is actually a yes. No

Guess: The answer is always "No"
Actual counterexample: I should really plan ahead better, this is hard. Sorry about that. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 05:11:26 pm
Is lifting your opponent upwards and then dropping them down allowed? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on February 28, 2019, 05:29:11 pm
Is mint chocolate chip a great ice cream flavoR?

iS MINT CHOCLATE CHIP A GREAT ICE CREAM FLAVOR?

Is Mint Chocolate Chip A Great ice Cream Flavor?

Flavor cream ice great a chip chocolate mint is?

Si tnim etalocochc pihc a taerg eci maerc rovalf?

Rovalf maerc eci taerg a pihc etalocochc tnim si?

Aa aaac ccccceeee fghh i iiill mmn ooopr rrsttv?

That was a lot of effort?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on February 28, 2019, 05:39:01 pm
Whoops, I made a mistake. Neither version of 'you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant' is actually a yes.

If you think deeply enough about this, you will realize that you're mistaken!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 05:52:54 pm
Is mint chocolate chip a great ice cream flavoR? Yes

iS MINT CHOCLATE CHIP A GREAT ICE CREAM FLAVOR? Yes

Is Mint Chocolate Chip A Great ice Cream Flavor? Yes

Flavor cream ice great a chip chocolate mint is? Yes

Si tnim etalocochc pihc a taerg eci maerc rovalf? No

Rovalf maerc eci taerg a pihc etalocochc tnim si? No

Aa aaac ccccceeee fghh i iiill mmn ooopr rrsttv? No

That was a lot of effort? No


If you think deeply enough about this, you will realize that you're mistaken! No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on February 28, 2019, 07:08:50 pm
Guess: the string contains the name of a Dominion card-shaped thing <-> yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on February 28, 2019, 07:55:34 pm
Guess: the string contains the name of a Dominion card-shaped thing <-> yes

Correct! (Although I was not including things like QUESTion)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2019, 02:38:57 am
I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 01, 2019, 03:05:22 am
Wow?
Was that a good rule?
Is this a good rule?
I?
Words?
A lot of them at the same time?
Plenty of opportunities?
Did I spell that right?
Sentences Are Easier To Make.
howaboutsomethinglikethis?
1 + 1 = 3?
Things?
To?
Let's see, does this work? I hope so; would be sweet.
A-ha, gotcha! Wait, did I?
QW22?

Someone help me out here.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2019, 03:10:06 am
Wow? No
Was that a good rule? No
Is this a good rule? No
I? No
Words? No
A lot of them at the same time? No
Plenty of opportunities? No
Did I spell that right? No
Sentences Are Easier To Make. No
howaboutsomethinglikethis? No
1 + 1 = 3? Yes
Things? No
To? No
Let's see, does this work? I hope so; would be sweet. Yes
A-ha, gotcha! Wait, did I? No
QW22? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2019, 03:11:54 am
Someone help me out here. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 01, 2019, 04:22:49 am
1 + 1 = 2?
1 + 1 = 4?
1 + 1 = 6?
I see no short things?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 01, 2019, 05:03:41 am
Zendo Necro Mafia Codenames One Night Ulitmate Werewolf?
To be or not to be?
To be?
Not to be?
(NOT (A AND B)) XOR (A AND B)?
NOT ((A AND B) XOR (A AND B))?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 01, 2019, 05:05:38 am
do re me?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2019, 05:18:02 am
1 + 1 = 2? Yes
1 + 1 = 4? Yes
1 + 1 = 6? Yes
I see no short things? No

Zendo Necro Mafia Codenames One Night Ulitmate Werewolf? Yes
To be or not to be? Yes
To be? No
Not to be? No
(NOT (A AND B)) XOR (A AND B)? Yes
NOT ((A AND B) XOR (A AND B))? Yes

do re me? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 01, 2019, 05:20:58 am
Ah, a good rule
I see you're a man of culture as well
But tell me this: how much did you plan?
Can you answer this; that would be sweet.
Do questions exist? Hard question I know.
Others. Limit us.
2/4 + 6 - 2◊2/8 = 7?
No, no, =6?
Ha   hh  tty    haa   j?
Sorry about that...truly.
_______?
Let's ask <insert question here>.
"Question from above"?
#7 best number 2019.

I hope this helps?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2019, 05:26:38 am
Ah, a good rule Yes
I see you're a man of culture as well No
But tell me this: how much did you plan? Yes
Can you answer this; that would be sweet. Yes
Do questions exist? Hard question I know. No
Others. Limit us. No
2/4 + 6 - 2◊2/8 = 7? Yes
No, no, =6? Yes
Ha   hh  tty    haa   j? Yes
Sorry about that...truly. Yes
_______? No
Let's ask <insert question here>. No
"Question from above"? No
#7 best number 2019. No

I hope this helps? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 01, 2019, 05:32:09 am
Guess: There are two consecutive words with the same number of characters, where 'words' are delineated by spaces and 'characters' include anything other than whitespace. <=> Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on March 01, 2019, 05:33:22 am
Guess: There are two consecutive words with the same number of characters, where 'words' are delineated by spaces and 'characters' include anything other than whitespace. <=> Yes

Correct.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 01, 2019, 05:36:28 am
Cool. I was on the right lines, then those last questions by MiX helped narrow it down.
I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 01, 2019, 05:43:37 am
You guys are too fast!
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man.
Please?
I Forgot What Is Optimal?
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover?
Maybe. Maybe not?
3.
50?
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...?
QHOP?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 01, 2019, 05:57:16 am
Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed?
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born?
do re me?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 01, 2019, 06:17:59 am
You guys are too fast! Yes
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Please? Yes
I Forgot What Is Optimal? Yes
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover? Yes
Maybe. Maybe not? Yes
3. Yes
50? Yes
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No
QHOP? Yes

Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed? Yes
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born? Yes
do re me? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 01, 2019, 06:31:57 am
Did I win?
Sweeet, thanks!
But, why did I win?
Maybe...because of this?
There's also that.
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves.
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass?
________.....?
?
???
!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 01, 2019, 07:01:15 am
And god said,
let there be light.?
and the firmament
of the heavens!?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 01, 2019, 09:05:24 am
Did I win? Yes
Sweeet, thanks! Yes
But, why did I win? Yes
Maybe...because of this? No Later re-ruled as: Yes
There's also that. Yes
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves. Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

And god said, Yes
let there be light.? Yes
and the firmament Yes
of the heavens!? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 01, 2019, 10:36:21 am
?
test?
test test?
test test test?
test test test test?
test test test test test?
test test test test test test?
test test test test test test test?
test test test test test test test test?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 01, 2019, 04:27:27 pm
let there ? be light
in heaven to ? divide
? the day ? from the
night ? and ? let ?
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons
and for days and years
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 01, 2019, 04:41:31 pm
Maybe...because of this?
Maybe...because?
of this?
because of?
Maybe...?
...because?
...?
Maybe because of this?
Maybe...because of?
...because of this?
because of this?
Maybe?
because?
of?
this?

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it?
Will this help us find out?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 02, 2019, 08:06:25 am
? No
test? Yes
test test? Yes
test test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
night ? and ? let ? Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes
and for days and years Yes

Maybe...because of this? No Later re-ruled as: Yes
Maybe...because? Yes
of this? Yes
because of? No
Maybe...? Yes
...because? Yes
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes
...because of this? Yes
because of this? Yes
Maybe? Yes
because? Yes
of? Yes
this? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 02, 2019, 08:26:54 am
Maybe...this?
this of because Maybe?
This of because maybe?
Of because maybe this?
of because?
this maybe because?

What about ! that makes this?
A thing, nay?
If we !ascend, what then?
?Questions?
A Lot Of very --- questions are?
int-eres-ting?
I know?? You are; confuze.
But; hmm?
What?? What happened?
Oh, this makes sense now...pity.

How many words can I put in one sentence and make it pass without any weird things?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 02, 2019, 09:49:27 am
Firstly, apologies, I'm going to re-rule one thing because I confused myself with how to treat "..."
Maybe...because of this? Yes

Here's the complete list so far:

You guys are too fast! Yes
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Please? Yes
I Forgot What Is Optimal? Yes
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover? Yes
Maybe. Maybe not? Yes
3. Yes
50? Yes
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No
QHOP? Yes

Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed? Yes
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born? Yes
do re me? Yes

Did I win? Yes
Sweeet, thanks! Yes
But, why did I win? Yes
Maybe...because of this? Yes
There's also that. Yes
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves. Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

And god said, Yes
let there be light.? Yes
and the firmament Yes
of the heavens!? Yes

? No
test? Yes
test test? Yes
test test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
night ? and ? let ? Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes
and for days and years Yes

Maybe...because of this? Yes
Maybe...because? Yes
of this? Yes
because of? No
Maybe...? Yes
...because? Yes
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes
...because of this? Yes
because of this? Yes
Maybe? Yes
because? Yes
of? Yes
this? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

Maybe...this? Yes
this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No
this maybe because? Yes

What about ! that makes this? Yes
A thing, nay? Yes
If we !ascend, what then? Yes
?Questions? Yes
A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
int-eres-ting? Yes
I know?? You are; confuze. Yes
But; hmm? Yes
What?? What happened? Yes
Oh, this makes sense now...pity. Yes

How many words can I put in one sentence and make it pass without any weird things? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 02, 2019, 06:44:10 pm
of?
of because?
of of because?
of of because because?
of maybe because?
maybe because?
of maybe?
of maybe maybe because?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 02, 2019, 07:08:20 pm
beautify each emboss?
maybebecauseofthis?
aabbceeefhimosstuy?
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s?
Maybe because of this word?
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here?
Why am I fixating on maybe because of this?
infangthief?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 03, 2019, 02:18:17 am
of? Yes
of because? No
of of because? Yes
of of because because? No
of maybe because? Yes
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

beautify each emboss? Yes
maybebecauseofthis? Yes
aabbceeefhimosstuy? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this word? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes
Why am I fixating on maybe because of this? Yes
infangthief? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 03, 2019, 06:08:11 am
of because of?
because of of?
because because of of?
because because because of of of?
because because because of of of of?
of?
of of?
because?
because because?
because because because because of of of of?
because because because because of of of of of?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 03, 2019, 02:36:03 pm
of because of? Yes
because of of? Yes
because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
because because because of of of of? Yes
of? Yes
of of? Yes
because? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No
because because because because of of of of of? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 03, 2019, 03:02:43 pm
of of?
because of of of?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 03, 2019, 03:04:55 pm
Requesting confirmation that this is ruled correctly:

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 01:04:08 am
of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 01:05:02 am
Requesting confirmation that this is ruled correctly:

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Yes, I confirm that is ruled correctly.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 04, 2019, 03:23:31 am
these
should all be
ruled as yes I believe
and should also be quick to annotate
still I dont yet know
aspects about the
rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 04, 2019, 03:32:31 am
more speculatively
maybe these will all
resolve differently?

then again maybe not
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans
when words fail let randomness win!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 04, 2019, 03:39:34 am
now finally
some actual
no things
Zen Micro!
seven never laughs cold
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 03:53:05 am
these Yes
should all be Yes
ruled as yes I believe Yes
and should also be quick to annotate Yes
still I dont yet know Yes
aspects about the Yes
rule Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 04, 2019, 04:18:27 am
test test test test test test test test test?
abceefosu?
usofeecba?
maybe...of?
maybe because?
maybebecause?
nineninen?
abceefosuabceefosu?
abceefosu?
somethingsomething?
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g?
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ?
maybeo?
maybe tends to miss.
maybe?
agdjqry of?
ss is smart-o?
ssissmarto?
maybeof?
abefmoy?

runningoutofideas?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 04:28:53 am
You guys are too fast! Yes
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Please? Yes
I Forgot What Is Optimal? Yes
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover? Yes
Maybe. Maybe not? Yes
3. Yes
50? Yes
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No
QHOP? Yes

Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed? Yes
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born? Yes
do re me? Yes

Did I win? Yes
Sweeet, thanks! Yes
But, why did I win? Yes
Maybe...because of this? Yes
There's also that. Yes
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves. Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

And god said, Yes
let there be light.? Yes
and the firmament Yes
of the heavens!? Yes

? No
test? Yes
test test? Yes
test test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
night ? and ? let ? Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes
and for days and years Yes

Maybe...because of this? Yes
Maybe...because? Yes
of this? Yes
because of? No
Maybe...? Yes
...because? Yes
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes
...because of this? Yes
because of this? Yes
Maybe? Yes
because? Yes
of? Yes
this? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

Maybe...this? Yes
this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No
this maybe because? Yes

What about ! that makes this? Yes
A thing, nay? Yes
If we !ascend, what then? Yes
?Questions? Yes
A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
int-eres-ting? Yes
I know?? You are; confuze. Yes
But; hmm? Yes
What?? What happened? Yes
Oh, this makes sense now...pity. Yes

How many words can I put in one sentence and make it pass without any weird things? Yes

of? Yes
of because? No
of of because? Yes
of of because because? No
of maybe because? Yes
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

beautify each emboss? Yes
maybebecauseofthis? Yes
aabbceeefhimosstuy? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this word? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes
Why am I fixating on maybe because of this? Yes
infangthief? Yes

of because of? Yes
because of of? Yes
because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
because because because of of of of? Yes
of? Yes
of of? Yes
because? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No
because because because because of of of of of? Yes

of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes

these Yes
should all be Yes
ruled as yes I believe Yes
and should also be quick to annotate Yes
still I dont yet know Yes
aspects about the Yes
rule Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes

test test test test test test test test test? Yes
abceefosu? Yes
usofeecba? Yes
maybe...of? Yes
maybe because? Yes
maybebecause? Yes
nineninen? Yes
abceefosuabceefosu? Yes
abceefosu? Yes
somethingsomething? Yes
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ? Yes
maybeo? Yes
maybe tends to miss. No
maybe? Yes
agdjqry of? No
ss is smart-o? Yes
ssissmarto? Yes
maybeof? Yes
abefmoy? Yes

runningoutofideas? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 04:37:38 am
You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 04, 2019, 04:46:03 am
You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Man, I was playing with mod 9 for some reason, now I feel stupid.
Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking?
agdjqryof?
yof?
asdof?
I didn't count the above nor this?
Don't evaluate the questions with even numbers, I don't wanna have to count everything yet.
Just wanna write things in case maybe.
maybe doesn't work.
maybedoes ntwork?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 04, 2019, 04:46:34 am
You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 04, 2019, 04:53:48 am
Don't evaluate the questions with even numbers, I don't wanna have to count everything yet.

Well I made a mistake?
It's the other way around, wow..
And it's words not letters I feel stupid.
So this means...a lot, really.
Maybe...because of...this...?
______________.... is one word? Or is it zero?
abcef ouse?
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero?
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do.
I need more answers.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 05:00:39 am
You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
Talking is kind of difficult in this thread, isn't it? Anything you say is liable to have a yes or no tagged on the end. Anyway, hopefully we can recognise genuine comments/questions when needed! Yeh, italics is a good idea, until someone makes a rule that depends on html tags... (no, please don't)

I'll wait for silvers' ok as well, in case the set of questions I remove reveals too much info for his liking.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 04, 2019, 05:03:01 am
You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
Talking is kind of difficult in this thread, isn't it? Anything you say is liable to have a yes or no tagged on the end. Anyway, hopefully we can recognise genuine comments/questions when needed! Yeh, italics is a good idea, until someone makes a rule that depends on html tags... (no, please don't)

I'll wait for silvers' ok as well, in case the set of questions I remove reveals too much info for his liking.


You already gave away the information, all you're asking of us is if you can remove a bunch of completely useless questions, I don't see why anyone would say no, it helps everyone.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 05:08:20 am
Man, I was playing with mod 9 for some reason, now I feel stupid. Yes
Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking? Yes
agdjqryof? Yes
yof? Yes
asdof? Yes
I didn't count the above nor this? Yes
Don't evaluate the questions with even numbers, I don't wanna have to count everything yet. Yes
Just wanna write things in case maybe. Yes
maybe doesn't work. Yes
maybedoes ntwork? No

Well I made a mistake? Yes
It's the other way around, wow.. Yes
And it's words not letters I feel stupid. No
So this means...a lot, really. Yes
Maybe...because of...this...? Yes
______________.... is one word? Or is it zero? Yes
abcef ouse? No
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero? No
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do. No
I need more answers. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 05:15:48 am
You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
Talking is kind of difficult in this thread, isn't it? Anything you say is liable to have a yes or no tagged on the end. Anyway, hopefully we can recognise genuine comments/questions when needed! Yeh, italics is a good idea, until someone makes a rule that depends on html tags... (no, please don't)

I'll wait for silvers' ok as well, in case the set of questions I remove reveals too much info for his liking.


You already gave away the information, all you're asking of us is if you can remove a bunch of completely useless questions, I don't see why anyone would say no, it helps everyone.
I agree that I've given away quite a bit by confirming silverspawn's odd number of words theory. I hope no-one minds too much.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 04, 2019, 07:46:43 am
Go ahead. I think we've had fairly conclusive evidence already, so I'd say you've basically spoiled nothing.

The other theory I've had was completely wrong. Which makes sense because it seemed far too complicated, but somehow it worked perfectly on all the examples I checked.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 08:02:23 am
List of all questions which have even numbers of words. I'll continue to answer questions with odd numbers of words, but any future 'all questions' lists will only contain the ones with even numbers of words.

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No

Sweeet, thanks! Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

let there be light.? Yes

? No
test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes

of this? Yes
because of? No
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No

A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
I know?? You are; confuze. Yes
But; hmm? Yes

of because? No
of of because because? No
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes

because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
of of? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No

of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes

maybe because? Yes
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ? Yes
maybe tends to miss. No
agdjqry of? No

Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking? Yes
maybedoes ntwork? No

It's the other way around, wow.. Yes
And it's words not letters I feel stupid. No
Maybe...because of...this...? Yes
abcef ouse? No
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero? No
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do. No
I need more answers. Yes

Well, that's a lot shorter
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 04, 2019, 08:07:57 am
Well, before things did "Yes", now they do "No". Awkward.
maybe o?
ayb o?
may o?
may f?
y f?
letters letters?
yof yof?
things; things;?
abc, abc,?
Even: Even:?
A lot of things need to be which: like learned questions pass?
like learned questions pass?
like which questions pass?
A lot of things need to be which?
A lot of things?
need to be learned?
lot of?
A things?
to learned?
questions pass?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 04, 2019, 08:34:01 am
Well, before things did "Yes", now they do "No". Awkward. No
Is that a genuine comment? ??? Please point them out to me; no changes were intended.
maybe o? Yes
ayb o? Yes
may o? Yes
may f? Yes
y f? Yes
letters letters? Yes
yof yof? Yes
things; things;? Yes
abc, abc,? Yes
Even: Even:? Yes
A lot of things need to be which: like learned questions pass? Yes
like learned questions pass? No
like which questions pass? No
A lot of things need to be which? No
A lot of things? No
need to be learned? Yes
lot of? No
A things? No
to learned? No
questions pass? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 05, 2019, 01:38:57 pm
because because of of
because because of of??
because because because of of of
because because because of of of??
of of
of of??
because because
because because??
because because because because of of of of
because because because because of of of of??
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 06, 2019, 03:39:56 am
because because of of No
because because of of?? No
because because because of of of No
because because because of of of?? No
of of Yes
of of?? Yes
because because Yes
because because?? Yes
because because because because of of of of No
because because because because of of of of?? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 09, 2019, 10:12:19 pm
I believe it's been 96 hours since silverspawn's last question.
Can I ask for the rule to be revealed? I think it's fair to say you stumped us.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 04:10:48 am
I'm against that. We've had previous questions that took a lot longer. I don't think I've spent enough time trying to figure this out to give up. The reason it's been three days is just that I haven't gone back to it since.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 04:11:06 am
*4 days
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 05:04:21 am
repetition repetition
of of
words words
to to
verify verfiy
suspicions suspicions

for for
for form
for fort
for fork
for forks
for forms
for forming
for forking
fort for
fort fork
fort form
fort forms
forming forming
forming formed
forming forms
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 10, 2019, 06:54:18 am
repetition repetition Yes
of of Yes
words words Yes
to to Yes
verify verfiy Yes
suspicions suspicions Yes

for for Yes
for form No
for fort No
for fork No
for forks Yes
for forms Yes
for forming Yes
for forking Yes
fort for No
fort fork Yes
fort form Yes
fort forms No
forming forming Yes
forming formed No
forming forms Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 10, 2019, 07:12:03 am
one four three sevens hundred thousand?
to one four three sevens hundred?
to one four three?
three sevens four hundred?
to three sevens hundred?
to four sevens thousand?
three sevens to one?
three three hundred thousand?
four four hundred sevens?
to to one three?
to one one four?
to to three four?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 10, 2019, 07:17:05 am
one four three sevens hundred thousand? No
to one four three sevens hundred? No
to one four three? No
three sevens four hundred? No
to three sevens hundred? No
to four sevens thousand? Yes
three sevens to one? Yes
three three hundred thousand? Yes
four four hundred sevens? Yes
to to one three? No
to one one four? Yes
to to three four? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 10, 2019, 07:23:37 am
333 4444 55555 666666 7777777 88888888?
22 333 4444 55555 666666 7777777?
22 333 4444 55555?
5555 666666 4444 7777777?
22 55555 666666 7777777?
22 4444 666666 88888888?
55555 666666 22 33?
55555 55555 7777777 88888888?
4444 4444 7777777 666666?
22 22 333 4444?
22 333 333 4444?
22 22 55555 4444?

Yeah, I know... sorry?

sssss ddddd yyyyyyy hhhhhhhh?
ffff oooo ppppppp tttttt?
ll ww mmm aaaaa?
nn qqq eee rrrr?
zz xx ccccc vvvv?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 10:01:42 am
I need more answers
I need more answers.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 10:03:18 am
Also, please verify these two:

to three sevens hundred? No
to four sevens thousand? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 10, 2019, 11:26:10 am
I'm against that. We've had previous questions that took a lot longer. I don't think I've spent enough time trying to figure this out to give up. The reason it's been three days is just that I haven't gone back to it since.

Oh, okay. I assumed everyone had given up, and if that was the case, I might as well just ask for the rule to be revealed. But since you're still guessing, that's fine. It wasn't so much the amount of time spent asking questions as the amount of time in which nobody had posted.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 10, 2019, 04:34:18 pm
333 4444 55555 666666 7777777 88888888? No
22 333 4444 55555 666666 7777777? No
22 333 4444 55555? No
5555 666666 4444 7777777? No
22 55555 666666 7777777? No
22 4444 666666 88888888? No
55555 666666 22 33? No
55555 55555 7777777 88888888? No
4444 4444 7777777 666666? No
22 22 333 4444? No
22 333 333 4444? No
22 22 55555 4444? No

Yeah, I know... sorry? Yes

sssss ddddd yyyyyyy hhhhhhhh? Yes
ffff oooo ppppppp tttttt? Yes
ll ww mmm aaaaa? No
nn qqq eee rrrr? Yes
zz xx ccccc vvvv? Yes

I need more answers Yes
I need more answers. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 10, 2019, 04:36:16 pm
Also, please verify these two:

to three sevens hundred? No
to four sevens thousand? Yes
Verified, confirmed, now't wrong there.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 04:40:41 pm
interesting.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 10, 2019, 04:47:32 pm
I'm against that. We've had previous questions that took a lot longer. I don't think I've spent enough time trying to figure this out to give up. The reason it's been three days is just that I haven't gone back to it since.

Oh, okay. I assumed everyone had given up, and if that was the case, I might as well just ask for the rule to be revealed. But since you're still guessing, that's fine. It wasn't so much the amount of time spent asking questions as the amount of time in which nobody had posted.

I understand, and it's hard being the person with the rule when it all goes quiet. Like, my last rule had a gap of about a month with no questions. I knew it wasn't too hard, but had I just made it too boring for people to want to play? Forum silence is hard. Really glad when you turned up and solved it!
I realise that the rules in the OP say 72/96 hours and the game's over. Maybe we should be ready to enforce that. But probably with a 'prod' first, so that folk can get back on to it if they want to, like in this case.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 10, 2019, 05:08:03 pm
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask this or not, but can you tell us whether the even/odd thing is specified in the rule or a by-product of the rest of the rule? Also, I'm going to try working on this again. I had given up, but I think taking a few days break could have helped.

22 22
more more more more
repetition repetition repetition repetition
because because because because
why not why not
just checking just checking
test 1 2 3 test 1 2 3
test 1 2 3
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 05:09:53 pm
three sevens to one
three sevens four hundred

(just to verify again these can't be right!)

Ok so
here have
many question
which I
think ought
to come
out yes

and here
questions that
do not
I hope
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 05:10:19 pm
(put it in spoilers, I'm going to crack this without help)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 10, 2019, 05:12:08 pm
three sevens to one
three sevens four hundred

(just to verify again these can't be right!)

Ok so
here have
many question
which I
think ought
to come
out yes

and here
questions that
do not
I hope

I have
the same
idea, but
I think
I am
wrong, however
I forgot
what my
second idea
was. So
now I'm
sad. I
can't end
these with
an even
amount of
words.

Put what in spoilers?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 05:30:55 pm
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask this or not, but can you tell us whether the even/odd thing is specified in the rule or a by-product of the rest of the rule? Also, I'm going to try working on this again. I had given up, but I think taking a few days break could have helped.
that
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 10, 2019, 05:35:14 pm
rather, the answer to that if infang answers.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 04:59:59 am
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask this or not, but can you tell us whether the even/odd thing is specified in the rule or a by-product of the rest of the rule? Also, I'm going to try working on this again. I had given up, but I think taking a few days break could have helped.

"Odd number of words => yes" is a consequence of the rule, without being explicitly stated in the rule. I mean, obviously the rule can be stated in various ways, but the simplest form does not refer to odd/even number of words.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 05:20:43 am
22 22 No
more more more more Yes
repetition repetition repetition repetition Yes
because because because because Yes
why not why not Yes
just checking just checking Yes
test 1 2 3 test 1 2 3 Yes
test 1 2 3 Yes

three sevens to one Yes
three sevens four hundred No

(just to verify again these can't be right!) No

Ok so Yes
here have Yes
many question Yes
which I Yes
think ought Yes
to come Yes
out yes Yes

and here No
questions that No
do not No
I hope No

(put it in spoilers, I'm going to crack this without help) Yes

I have No
the same No
idea, but No
I think Yes
I am No
wrong, however Yes
I forgot No
what my Yes
second idea Yes
was. So No
now I'm No
sad. I Yes
can't end No
these with No
an even Yes
amount of Yes
words. Yes

Put what in spoilers? No

that Yes

rather, the answer to that if infang answers. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 05:21:57 am
List of all questions which have even numbers of words. "Odd number of words => yes" has been previously established.

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No

Sweeet, thanks! Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

let there be light.? Yes

? No
test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes

of this? Yes
because of? No
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No

A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
But; hmm? Yes

of because? No
of of because because? No
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes

because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
of of? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No

of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes

maybe because? Yes
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ? Yes
maybe tends to miss. No
agdjqry of? No

Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking? Yes
maybedoes ntwork? No

It's the other way around, wow.. Yes
And it's words not letters I feel stupid. No
Maybe...because of...this...? Yes
abcef ouse? No
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero? No
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do. No
I need more answers. Yes

Well, before things did "Yes", now they do "No". Awkward. No
maybe o? Yes
ayb o? Yes
may o? Yes
may f? Yes
y f? Yes
letters letters? Yes
yof yof? Yes
things; things;? Yes
abc, abc,? Yes
Even: Even:? Yes
A lot of things need to be which: like learned questions pass? Yes
like learned questions pass? No
like which questions pass? No
A lot of things need to be which? No
A lot of things? No
need to be learned? Yes
lot of? No
A things? No
to learned? No
questions pass? No

because because of of No
because because of of?? No
because because because of of of No
because because because of of of?? No
of of Yes
of of?? Yes
because because Yes
because because?? Yes
because because because because of of of of No
because because because because of of of of?? No

repetition repetition Yes
of of Yes
words words Yes
to to Yes
verify verfiy Yes
suspicions suspicions Yes

for for Yes
for form No
for fort No
for fork No
for forks Yes
for forms Yes
for forming Yes
for forking Yes
fort for No
fort fork Yes
fort form Yes
fort forms No
forming forming Yes
forming formed No
forming forms Yes

one four three sevens hundred thousand? No
to one four three sevens hundred? No
to one four three? No
three sevens four hundred? No
to three sevens hundred? No
to four sevens thousand? Yes
three sevens to one? Yes
three three hundred thousand? Yes
four four hundred sevens? Yes
to to one three? No
to one one four? Yes
to to three four? Yes

333 4444 55555 666666 7777777 88888888? No
22 333 4444 55555 666666 7777777? No
22 333 4444 55555? No
5555 666666 4444 7777777? No
22 55555 666666 7777777? No
22 4444 666666 88888888? No
55555 666666 22 33? No
55555 55555 7777777 88888888? No
4444 4444 7777777 666666? No
22 22 333 4444? No
22 333 333 4444? No
22 22 55555 4444? No

Yeah, I know... sorry? Yes

sssss ddddd yyyyyyy hhhhhhhh? Yes
ffff oooo ppppppp tttttt? Yes
ll ww mmm aaaaa? No
nn qqq eee rrrr? Yes
zz xx ccccc vvvv? Yes

I need more answers Yes
I need more answers. Yes

22 22 No
more more more more Yes
repetition repetition repetition repetition Yes
because because because because Yes
why not why not Yes
just checking just checking Yes
test 1 2 3 test 1 2 3 Yes

three sevens to one Yes
three sevens four hundred No

(just to verify again these can't be right!) No

Ok so Yes
here have Yes
many question Yes
which I Yes
think ought Yes
to come Yes
out yes Yes

and here No
questions that No
do not No
I hope No

I have No
the same No
idea, but No
I think Yes
I am No
wrong, however Yes
I forgot No
what my Yes
second idea Yes
was. So No
now I'm No
sad. I Yes
can't end No
these with No
an even Yes
amount of Yes

Put what in spoilers? No

rather, the answer to that if infang answers. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 06:18:56 am
I think?
I might know that?
But maybe I wrong?
Am Me genius am?
I doubt it lots?

Am I allowed to just pop in here like this or do I have to sign up or something.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 11, 2019, 06:27:50 am
Am I allowed to just pop in here like this or do I have to sign up or something.

Go ahead
Have fun with us
You're a smart guy
You can help, right?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 06:41:58 am
I think? Yes
I might know that? Yes
But maybe I wrong? Yes
Am Me genius am? Yes
I doubt it lots? Yes

Am I allowed to just pop in here like this or do I have to sign up or something. Yes
And yes, you can pop in. Posting is signing up. If you become the oracle, please make sure you are familiar with the setup (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19335.msg780189#msg780189); there are some restrictions/advice on the type of rules allowed.

Go ahead No
Have fun with us No
You're a smart guy Yes
You can help, right? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 06:53:39 am

Am I allowed to just pop in here like this or do I have to sign up or something. Yes


Double checking that woulda been nice?

I may need to double check something myself?

Iím closer
Than I would have
Thought I
Woulda imagined

This incorrect
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 07:02:42 am
Double checking that woulda been nice? Yes

I may need to double check something myself? No

Iím closer Yes
Than I would have Yes
Thought I Yes
Woulda imagined Yes

This incorrect No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 07:06:31 am
Does adjacency matter a single mite?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 07:11:06 am
I think Iím on the verge of making a guess.

I just need a
Few things clarified beforehand
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 07:15:52 am
Does adjacency matter a single mite? Yes

I think Iím on the verge of making a guess. No

I just need a No
Few things clarified beforehand No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 07:27:37 am
I think Im on the verge of making a guess
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 07:30:26 am
I think Im on the verge of making a guess No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 07:36:13 am
I a just need
Few clarified things beforehand
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 07:48:27 am
Same clarity makes no difference after this point

Iím sleepy so I will nappy nap now, Hopefully this will wait for me.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 11, 2019, 08:58:56 am
I a just need No
Few clarified things beforehand No

Same clarity makes no difference after this point Yes

Iím sleepy so I will nappy nap now, Hopefully this will wait for me. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 11, 2019, 04:02:47 pm
Ok so
Ok so Ok so
Ok so ok so
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 11, 2019, 04:09:05 pm
la la la la la la la la la la la la la!
lalala lalala lalala lalala!
lalalala lalalala lalalala lalala!
lala lala lala lala lala lala!
lalal lalal lalal lalal!
lalal lalal lalal lalal lalal!
lalalalal lalalalal lalalalal lalalalal!
lalalalalalal lalalalalalal lalalalalalal lalalalalalal!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 11, 2019, 05:39:24 pm
I think
I know half of what it is easily
Because I can predict

What is a yes
And what is a no

But first

Testing testing
Testings testings
Testings testing
Testing testing testings testing
Testing testings testing testings
Testing testing testings testings
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 11, 2019, 05:52:57 pm
Guess: if it's even, the number of letters (including question mark) must not be prime
This could be completely wrong, but it worked for a bunch of them.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on March 11, 2019, 09:39:26 pm
I understand, and it's hard being the person with the rule when it all goes quiet. Like, my last rule had a gap of about a month with no questions. I knew it wasn't too hard, but had I just made it too boring for people to want to play? Forum silence is hard. Really glad when you turned up and solved it!
I realise that the rules in the OP say 72/96 hours and the game's over. Maybe we should be ready to enforce that. But probably with a 'prod' first, so that folk can get back on to it if they want to, like in this case.

I think this is a really important point that's sort of hard to understand if you haven't been the rule master before. It's easy to think of the master as just being a black box that gives you the information you request whenever you feel like it, but my experience has been that I spend the whole time wondering if I've made the rule too easy, too hard, too boring, etc. I think the reality is that long silences usually have nothing to do with the rule itself, they just sort of happen at random if everyone gets busy at the same time and then forgets about the thread, but I think that also makes it stressful for the master.

So maybe the solution is to just encourage anyone passing by who notices that the thread has been dead for a while to bump it, even if they have no "good" questions to ask?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 12, 2019, 05:37:30 am
Ok so Yes
Ok so Ok so Yes
Ok so ok so Yes

la la la la la la la la la la la la la! Yes
lalala lalala lalala lalala! Yes
lalalala lalalala lalalala lalala! Yes
lala lala lala lala lala lala! Yes
lalal lalal lalal lalal! Yes
lalal lalal lalal lalal lalal! Yes
lalalalal lalalalal lalalalal lalalalal! Yes
lalalalalalal lalalalalalal lalalalalalal lalalalalalal! Yes

I think Yes
I know half of what it is easily Yes
Because I can predict Yes

What is a yes No
And what is a no Yes

But first Yes

Testing testing Yes
Testings testings Yes
Testings testing No
Testing testing testings testing Yes
Testing testings testing testings No
Testing testing testings testings No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 12, 2019, 05:43:07 am
Guess: if it's even, the number of letters (including question mark) must not be prime
This could be completely wrong, but it worked for a bunch of them.
Incorrect Counterexample:
Is an infangthief dangerous? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 12, 2019, 05:52:33 am
Another page-top, time for the full list.
List of all questions which have even numbers of words. "Odd number of words => yes" has been previously established.

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No

Sweeet, thanks! Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

let there be light.? Yes

? No
test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes

of this? Yes
because of? No
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No

A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
But; hmm? Yes

of because? No
of of because because? No
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes

because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
of of? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No

of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes

maybe because? Yes
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ? Yes
maybe tends to miss. No
agdjqry of? No

Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking? Yes
maybedoes ntwork? No

It's the other way around, wow.. Yes
And it's words not letters I feel stupid. No
Maybe...because of...this...? Yes
abcef ouse? No
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero? No
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do. No
I need more answers. Yes

Well, before things did "Yes", now they do "No". Awkward. No
maybe o? Yes
ayb o? Yes
may o? Yes
may f? Yes
y f? Yes
letters letters? Yes
yof yof? Yes
things; things;? Yes
abc, abc,? Yes
Even: Even:? Yes
A lot of things need to be which: like learned questions pass? Yes
like learned questions pass? No
like which questions pass? No
A lot of things need to be which? No
A lot of things? No
need to be learned? Yes
lot of? No
A things? No
to learned? No
questions pass? No

because because of of No
because because of of?? No
because because because of of of No
because because because of of of?? No
of of Yes
of of?? Yes
because because Yes
because because?? Yes
because because because because of of of of No
because because because because of of of of?? No

repetition repetition Yes
of of Yes
words words Yes
to to Yes
verify verfiy Yes
suspicions suspicions Yes

for for Yes
for form No
for fort No
for fork No
for forks Yes
for forms Yes
for forming Yes
for forking Yes
fort for No
fort fork Yes
fort form Yes
fort forms No
forming forming Yes
forming formed No
forming forms Yes

one four three sevens hundred thousand? No
to one four three sevens hundred? No
to one four three? No
three sevens four hundred? No
to three sevens hundred? No
to four sevens thousand? Yes
three sevens to one? Yes
three three hundred thousand? Yes
four four hundred sevens? Yes
to to one three? No
to one one four? Yes
to to three four? Yes

333 4444 55555 666666 7777777 88888888? No
22 333 4444 55555 666666 7777777? No
22 333 4444 55555? No
5555 666666 4444 7777777? No
22 55555 666666 7777777? No
22 4444 666666 88888888? No
55555 666666 22 33? No
55555 55555 7777777 88888888? No
4444 4444 7777777 666666? No
22 22 333 4444? No
22 333 333 4444? No
22 22 55555 4444? No

Yeah, I know... sorry? Yes

sssss ddddd yyyyyyy hhhhhhhh? Yes
ffff oooo ppppppp tttttt? Yes
ll ww mmm aaaaa? No
nn qqq eee rrrr? Yes
zz xx ccccc vvvv? Yes

I need more answers Yes
I need more answers. Yes

22 22 No
more more more more Yes
repetition repetition repetition repetition Yes
because because because because Yes
why not why not Yes
just checking just checking Yes
test 1 2 3 test 1 2 3 Yes

three sevens to one Yes
three sevens four hundred No

(just to verify again these can't be right!) No

Ok so Yes
here have Yes
many question Yes
which I Yes
think ought Yes
to come Yes
out yes Yes

and here No
questions that No
do not No
I hope No

I have No
the same No
idea, but No
I think Yes
I am No
wrong, however Yes
I forgot No
what my Yes
second idea Yes
was. So No
now I'm No
sad. I Yes
can't end No
these with No
an even Yes
amount of Yes

Put what in spoilers? No

rather, the answer to that if infang answers. Yes

I think? Yes
I might know that? Yes
But maybe I wrong? Yes
Am Me genius am? Yes
I doubt it lots? Yes

Go ahead No
Have fun with us No
You're a smart guy Yes
You can help, right? No

Double checking that woulda been nice? Yes

I may need to double check something myself? No

Iím closer Yes
Than I would have Yes
Thought I Yes
Woulda imagined Yes

This incorrect No

Does adjacency matter a single mite? Yes

I think Iím on the verge of making a guess. No

I just need a No
Few things clarified beforehand No

I think Im on the verge of making a guess No

I a just need No
Few clarified things beforehand No

Same clarity makes no difference after this point Yes

Iím sleepy so I will nappy nap now, Hopefully this will wait for me. No

Ok so Yes
Ok so Ok so Yes
Ok so ok so Yes

lalala lalala lalala lalala! Yes
lalalala lalalala lalalala lalala! Yes
lala lala lala lala lala lala! Yes
lalal lalal lalal lalal! Yes
lalalalal lalalalal lalalalal lalalalal! Yes
lalalalalalal lalalalalalal lalalalalalal lalalalalalal! Yes

I think Yes
I know half of what it is easily Yes
Because I can predict Yes

What is a yes No

But first Yes

Testing testing Yes
Testings testings Yes
Testings testing No
Testing testing testings testing Yes
Testing testings testing testings No
Testing testing testings testings No

Guess: if it's even, the number of letters (including question mark) must not be prime
Incorrect Counterexample:
Is an infangthief dangerous? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 06:26:48 am
Guess: if the median is an interger.

I can specify it but...it's this and you know it
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 06:30:44 am
Let's specify...first you order the words of a question (words have letters, that's all you're counting) by size, say, shortest first. Then you go to the middle 2, add their letters and divide by 2. If said number is an integer (or if the original sum is even) it passes. Thus all odd word questions pass, since you add a word to itself.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 12, 2019, 06:36:01 am
Guess: if the median is an interger.
Correct! We have a winner. Median number of letters per word exists and is an integer.

Your turn :)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 06:39:41 am
Having played Zendo before with this rule helped   :P

Thanks!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 07:20:46 am
I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 12, 2019, 09:01:30 am
Has your rule got anything to do with leopards?
Their spots?
Their tails?
The things they eat?
The habitats in which they live?
Does it make any difference if we're referring here to leopards which live in Africa or Asia?
What about snow leopards?
Are there more similarities between leopards and snow leopards than between two arbitrarily chosen species of the Panthera genus?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 12, 2019, 09:02:04 am
Is it a rule?
Rule?
A?
AA?
ABC?
123?
bla bla bla bla?
Those are some short words but maybe long words will work better because sometimes that happens and let's see if it's the case?
Or maybe this long word will work but it also could be a little difficult to parse because sometimes long words are like that and if so sorry?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 09:26:39 am
Has your rule got anything to do with leopards? Yes
Their spots? No
Their tails? No
The things they eat? Yes
The habitats in which they live? No
Does it make any difference if we're referring here to leopards which live in Africa or Asia? No
What about snow leopards? Yes
Are there more similarities between leopards and snow leopards than between two arbitrarily chosen species of the Panthera genus? No
Is it a rule? Yes
Rule? Yes
A? Yes
AA? Yes
ABC? Yes
123? Yes
bla bla bla bla? Yes
Those are some short words but maybe long words will work better because sometimes that happens and let's see if it's the case? Yes
Or maybe this long word will work but it also could be a little difficult to parse because sometimes long words are like that and if so sorry? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 12, 2019, 09:51:02 am
Theirspots?
Theirtails?
Fromwhaticantellhowlongitisdoesntmakemuchofadifference?
Exceptmaybesinglewordsaremaybeconsistentlyyes?
Butwedonthaveenoughdataforthat?
Samplesizetoosmall?
Sorry if this is too hard to parse...
Well, mostly. I can't figure out the rules if I don't have data, so not really.
Yes, those were both questions. (and so is this.)
Maybe having other punctuation at the end does something, but maybe it doesn't!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 10:25:28 am
Theirspots? Yes
Theirtails? Yes
Fromwhaticantellhowlongitisdoesntmakemuchofadifference? Yes
Exceptmaybesinglewordsaremaybeconsistentlyyes? Yes
Butwedonthaveenoughdataforthat? Yes
Samplesizetoosmall? Yes
Sorry if this is too hard to parse... No
Well, mostly. I can't figure out the rules if I don't have data, so not really. Yes
Yes, those were both questions. (and so is this.) Yes
Maybe having other punctuation at the end does something, but maybe it doesn't! Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 12, 2019, 11:18:05 am
Maybe
Number of
Words has something
To do with it
Given that all questions with
One word seem to be yes.
a
a a
a a a
a a a a
a a a a a
a a a a a a
a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a a a a a
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 12:35:20 pm
Guess: if the median is an interger.
Correct! We have a winner. Median number of letters per word exists and is an integer.

Your turn :)

I knew it was going to be something simple that was about the length somehow. I had figured out that odd numbered sentences are always true, and two-word sentences are true iff they have the same parity. But that rule just refused to generalize to more than 2 words!

I think it was a fine rule, though.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 12:51:09 pm
Maybe Yes
Number of No
Words has something No
To do with it Yes
Given that all questions with Yes
One word seem to be yes. No
a Yes
a a No
a a a No
a a a a Yes
a a a a a No
a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a Yes
a a a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a a a a a No

I knew it was going to be something simple that was about the length somehow. I had figured out that odd numbered sentences are always true, and two-word sentences are true iff they have the same parity. But that rule just refused to generalize to more than 2 words! Yes

I think it was a fine rule, though. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 01:18:03 pm
Guess: either the number of words, or the number of letters has to be a square number.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 01:22:08 pm
Guess: either the number of words, or the number of letters has to be a square number.

You are an absolute god. Absolutely correct! Did you actually count the letters?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 01:28:34 pm
Thanks :-) I have an awesome program installed that replaces the default notepad. Among other things, it shows me column numbers. So all I had to do was copy it in there and delete the whitespaces.

The a a a a questions made it possible. 1 - 4 - 9 was instantly noticeable.

I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 01:31:32 pm
Using programs is obviously cheating
But then again, manually counting is worse
Am I supposed to make questions?
I wish I was master for at least one day
But now I can ask things!
Like, am I supposed to ask questions?
And if so, which?
These?
I sure hope so.
Does 1 exist?
What about 0?
Philosophy is very useless, am I right?
Thingsexistsometimes.
A n d s o m e d o n ' t
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 01:35:23 pm
Using programs is obviously cheating No
But then again, manually counting is worse No
Am I supposed to make questions? No
I wish I was master for at least one day No
But now I can ask things! No
Like, am I supposed to ask questions? No
And if so, which? No
These? Yes
I sure hope so. No
Does 1 exist? Yes
What about 0? No
Philosophy is very useless, am I right? No
Thingsexistsometimes. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 01:35:48 pm
A n d s o m e d o n ' t  No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 01:42:59 pm
Hmmmmm
What?
Are you kidding me?
1
2
3
4
11
22
33
44
111
333
4444
55555
one
four
one one one one
four four four four
three three three
three three three three three
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 01:53:57 pm
Hmmmmm Yes
What? Yes
Are you kidding me? No
1 Yes
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Yes
11 Yes
22 Yes
33 Yes
44 Yes
111 Yes
333 Yes
4444 Yes
55555 Yes
one Yes
four Yes
one one one one No
four four four four No
three three three No
three three three three three No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 12, 2019, 04:28:19 pm
Is it?
Can it?
Does it?
Would it?
Should it?
Might it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 12, 2019, 04:36:30 pm
Yay, my questions helped last time!
I think I would have noticed the 1 - 4 - 9 square numbers thing too if I had gotten here in time.
I
sense
another
one
word
is
always
yes
thing
here.
Let's try what I did last time:
a
a a
a a a
a a a a
a a a a a
a a a a a a
a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a a
a a a a a a a a a a a
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 04:44:11 pm
Using programs is obviously cheating No
But then again, manually counting is worse No
Am I supposed to make questions? No
I wish I was master for at least one day No
But now I can ask things! No
Like, am I supposed to ask questions? No
And if so, which? No
These? Yes
I sure hope so. No
Does 1 exist? Yes
What about 0? No
Philosophy is very useless, am I right? No
Thingsexistsometimes. Yes

Hmmmmm Yes
What? Yes
Are you kidding me? No
1 Yes
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Yes
11 Yes
22 Yes
33 Yes
44 Yes
111 Yes
333 Yes
4444 Yes
55555 Yes
one Yes
four Yes
one one one one No
four four four four No
three three three No
three three three three three No

Is it? Yes
Can it? No
Does it? Yes
Would it? Yes
Should it? Yes
Might it? Yes

Yay, my questions helped last time! No
I think I would have noticed the 1 - 4 - 9 square numbers thing too if I had gotten here in time. No
I Yes
sense Yes
another Yes
one Yes
word Yes
is Yes
always Yes
yes Yes
thing Yes
here. Yes
Let's try what I did last time: No
a Yes
a a No
a a a No
a a a a No
a a a a a No
a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a  No
a a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a a a No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 12, 2019, 04:54:18 pm
Is
Can
Would
Does
Should
Might
The above should all come out as yes.
What does Can have or lack that the others don't?

Here
are
some
yes
questions

and and
here here
are are
some some
no no
questions questions
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 12, 2019, 05:05:31 pm
1 1?
Ban it?
Fan it?
lel it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 12, 2019, 05:18:44 pm
It also seems like

Lines with a #

Get teases 2

I dunno why I am spelling out my thought proccess
Itís like I think this is co-op

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 12, 2019, 07:00:18 pm
Is Yes
Can Yes
Would Yes
Does Yes
Should Yes
Might Yes
The above should all come out as yes. No
What does Can have or lack that the others don't? No

Here Yes
are Yes
some Yes
yes Yes
questions Yes

and and No
here here No
are are No
some some No
no no No
questions questions No

1 1? Yes
Ban it? No
Fan it? No
lel it? No

It also seems like No

Lines with a # No

Get teases 2 Yes

I dunno why I am spelling out my thought proccess No
Itís like I think this is co-op No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 12, 2019, 10:33:36 pm
I dunno why I am spelling out my thought proccess
Itís like I think this is co-op

That's how I've been treating it.
It makes me feel like I contributed even if I don't guess it.
For example, I was pleased when my a's helped silverspawn guess MiX's rule.
You can choose how to treat it, though.

If you like, silverspawn, you can treat those all as questions.

Does 1 count as a character for these purposes?

1 Do?
1 These?
1 All
1 Count?
1 As?
1 One?
1 Word?
?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 12, 2019, 10:35:39 pm
1 All?
Apparently I didn't include the question mark?

Is it
Can it
Does it
Should it
Would it
Might it

Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure
Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure.
Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 04:11:01 am
That's how I've been treating it. No
It makes me feel like I contributed even if I don't guess it. No
For example, I was pleased when my a's helped silverspawn guess MiX's rule. No
You can choose how to treat it, though. No

If you like, silverspawn, you can treat those all as questions. No

(everything must be treated as a question! No)

Does 1 count as a character for these purposes? No

1 Do? Yes
1 These? Yes
1 All Yes
1 Count? Yes
1 As? Yes
1 One? Yes
1 Word? Yes
? Yes

Get teases 2 Yes

1 All? Yes
Apparently I didn't include the question mark? No

Is it No
Can it Yes
Does it Yes
Should it Yes
Would it Yes
Might it Yes

Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure No
Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure. No
Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 13, 2019, 09:07:25 am
Got it!
Well, not quite
S#o#m#e symbols are interesting
Something strange about 0
Something strange about 0?
What about 0
What about 0?
What 0
What 0?
What about 1?
What about 8?
What about l8?
What about l8ers?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 10:15:27 am
Got it! No
Well, not quite No
S#o#m#e symbols are interesting No
Something strange about 0 No
Something strange about 0? No
What about 0 No
What about 0? No
What 0 Yes
What 0? Yes
What about 1? No
What about 8? No
What about l8? No
What about l8ers? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 13, 2019, 02:16:48 pm
Just to quickly check, given most other things aren't behaving this way:

Is it
Is it?
Can it
Can it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 02:38:18 pm
Using programs is obviously cheating No
But then again, manually counting is worse No
Am I supposed to make questions? No
I wish I was master for at least one day No
But now I can ask things! No
Like, am I supposed to ask questions? No
And if so, which? No
These? Yes
I sure hope so. No
Does 1 exist? Yes
What about 0? No
Philosophy is very useless, am I right? No
Thingsexistsometimes. Yes

Hmmmmm Yes
What? Yes
Are you kidding me? No
1 Yes
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Yes
11 Yes
22 Yes
33 Yes
44 Yes
111 Yes
333 Yes
4444 Yes
55555 Yes
one Yes
four Yes
one one one one No
four four four four No
three three three No
three three three three three No

Is it? Yes
Can it? No
Does it? Yes
Would it? Yes
Should it? Yes
Might it? Yes

Yay, my questions helped last time! No
I think I would have noticed the 1 - 4 - 9 square numbers thing too if I had gotten here in time. No
I Yes
sense Yes
another Yes
one Yes
word Yes
is Yes
always Yes
yes Yes
thing Yes
here. Yes
Let's try what I did last time: No
a Yes
a a No
a a a No
a a a a No
a a a a a No
a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a  No
a a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a a No
a a a a a a a a a a a No

Is Yes
Can Yes
Would Yes
Does Yes
Should Yes
Might Yes
The above should all come out as yes. No
What does Can have or lack that the others don't? No

Here Yes
are Yes
some Yes
yes Yes
questions Yes

and and No
here here No
are are No
some some No
no no No
questions questions No

1 1? Yes
Ban it? No
Fan it? No
lel it? No

It also seems like No

Lines with a # No

Get teases 2 Yes

I dunno why I am spelling out my thought proccess No
Itís like I think this is co-op No

That's how I've been treating it. No
It makes me feel like I contributed even if I don't guess it. No
For example, I was pleased when my a's helped silverspawn guess MiX's rule. No
You can choose how to treat it, though. No

If you like, silverspawn, you can treat those all as questions. No

(everything must be treated as a question! No)

Does 1 count as a character for these purposes? No

1 Do? Yes
1 These? Yes
1 All Yes
1 Count? Yes
1 As? Yes
1 One? Yes
1 Word? Yes
? Yes

Get teases 2 Yes

1 All? Yes
Apparently I didn't include the question mark? No

Is it No
Can it Yes
Does it Yes
Should it Yes
Would it Yes
Might it Yes

Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure No
Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure. No
Maybe the question mark affects things, not sure? No

Got it! No
Well, not quite No
S#o#m#e symbols are interesting No
Something strange about 0 No
Something strange about 0? No
What about 0 No
What about 0? No
What 0 Yes
What 0? Yes
What about 1? No
What about 8? No
What about l8? No
What about l8ers? No

Is it No
Is it? Yes
Can it Yes
Can it? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 13, 2019, 03:07:37 pm
What about 0
What about 1
What about 2
What about 3
What about 4
What about 5
What about 6
What about 7
What about 8
What about 9
What about
What about?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 03:08:38 pm
What about 0 No
What about 1 No
What about 2 No
What about 3 No
What about 4 No
What about 5 No
What about 6 No
What about 7 No
What about 8 No
What about 9 No
What about Yes
What about? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 13, 2019, 03:10:16 pm
Aaarrrgghhh everything fits
except with #s

Both yeses?
And that?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 13, 2019, 03:12:04 pm
Something strange about 0
Something strange about 1
Something strange about 2
Something strange about 3
Something strange about 4
Something strange about 5
Something strange about 6
Something strange about 7
Something strange about 8
Something strange about 9

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 13, 2019, 03:17:30 pm
Does 1 exist? Yes
Something strange about 0 No
Something strange about 0? No
What about l8ers? No

I have a guess but these four are the only ones that don't work with it.
(That's a no?)
So frustrating.
(That's a yes?)

Can I predict that this question will be a no?
And yes?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 03:40:02 pm
Aaarrrgghhh everything fits No
except with #s No

Both yeses? Yes
And that? Yes

Something strange about 0 No
Something strange about 1 No
Something strange about 2 No
Something strange about 3 No
Something strange about 4 No
Something strange about 5 No
Something strange about 6 No
Something strange about 7 No
Something strange about 8 No
Something strange about 9 No

I have a guess but these four are the only ones that don't work with it. No
(That's a no?) Yes
So frustrating. Yes
(That's a yes?) Yes

Can I predict that this question will be a no? No
And yes? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 13, 2019, 04:12:18 pm
That introduced a bunch more that didn't fit with my guess.

My guess had been that the number of characters in each word (including '?') had to be in either ascending or descending order.

It actually works for most of the answers here.

But then I found four (literally only four) that didn't work.

And now I have a few more that don't work with it.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 13, 2019, 05:02:55 pm
That introduced a bunch more that didn't fit with my guess. No

My guess had been that the number of characters in each word (including '?') had to be in either ascending or descending order. No

It actually works for most of the answers here. No

But then I found four (literally only four) that didn't work. No

And now I have a few more that don't work with it. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 13, 2019, 11:38:58 pm
It hurts
To knows
Hi shurt
So wonkt

Does it matter
Roet is dattem
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 14, 2019, 12:08:25 am
If it ends up being a coincidence that so many of these matched the other rule, and there is no logical reason for it, I will be somewhat irked.

I don't understand numbers.
I thought I understood them, but I don't.
In this rule, I mean. I'm fairly good at mathematics.
There really is something strange about 0.

1
3
48848
48,848
1,729
1729
10^3+9^3=12^3+1^3=1729=thebestnumber
What is your favorite number?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MeNowDealWithIt on March 14, 2019, 02:56:04 am
Just joining this, hoping I can contribute.
I feel numbers on the edges might be particularly weird.
1
1 a 1?
1 aa 111?
a 1 a?
a 00 aa?
11 won one.

What did 0
ever do?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 03:46:00 am
It hurts Yes
To knows Yes
Hi shurt Yes
So wonkt Yes

Does it matter No
Roet is dattem No

If it ends up being a coincidence that so many of these matched the other rule, and there is no logical reason for it, I will be somewhat irked. No

I don't understand numbers. No
I thought I understood them, but I don't. No
In this rule, I mean. I'm fairly good at mathematics. No
There really is something strange about 0. No

1 Yes
3 Yes
48848 Yes
48,848 Yes
1,729 Yes
1729 Yes
10^3+9^3=12^3+1^3=1729=thebestnumber Yes
What is your favorite number? No

Just joining this, hoping I can contribute. No
I feel numbers on the edges might be particularly weird. No
1 Yes
1 a 1? No
1 aa 111? Yes
a 1 a? No
a 00 aa? No
11 won one. No

What did 0 No
ever do? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 05:03:51 am
It seems like questions with lots of words tend to get a 'no'.
But I wonder if I try really hard if I might be able to make a long questionwhichgetsayesnowwaitamomentthat'snotaquestionasitstandsmaybeifIinflectmyvoicealittleattheendIcanmakeitintoaquestion?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 05:16:30 am
Actually, I think that this wonderful word "questionwhichgetsayesnowwaitamomentthat'snotaquestionasitstandsmaybeifIinflectmyvoicealittleattheendIcanmakeitintoaquestion" is so useful that I could get some yeses just by sticking into the middle of almost any question, am I right?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 06:03:06 am
Guess: More than half of the characters in the question form a single word <==> yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 08:14:15 am
It seems like questions with lots of words tend to get a 'no'. No
But I wonder if I try really hard if I might be able to make a long questionwhichgetsayesnowwaitamomentthat'snotaquestionasitstandsmaybeifIinflectmyvoicealittleattheendIcanmakeitintoaquestion? Yes

Actually, I think that this wonderful word "questionwhichgetsayesnowwaitamomentthat'snotaquestionasitstandsmaybeifIinflectmyvoicealittleattheendIcanmakeitintoaquestion" is so useful that I could get some yeses just by sticking into the middle of almost any question, am I right? Too lazy to count

Guess: More than half of the characters in the question form a single word <==> yes No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 08:14:37 am
Yup, correct! :D well done.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 08:16:01 am
Where a word is defined as any string of symbols separated by two of {whitespace, end of question, start of question}
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 08:50:58 am
Funny how we got hung up on "What about 0?"
I think after seeing the answers to one- and two-word questions it seemed easy to generalise in many (incorrect) ways.

Right. I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 14, 2019, 10:03:35 am
Iím on the case

Time to make random gibberish

Good range

If

Random crap.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 10:10:55 am
Iím on the case Yes
Time to make random gibberish No
Good range Yes
If No
Random crap. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 14, 2019, 10:15:36 am
Even words
Seems to be good
But maybe it was just chance?
Time to find out if Iím just lucky.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 10:19:07 am
Even words Yes
Seems to be good No
But maybe it was just chance? No
Time to find out if Iím just lucky. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 14, 2019, 10:34:25 am
Odd
Might work too
I just did it wrong
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 10:49:20 am
Iím on the case Yes
Time to make random gibberish No
Good range Yes
If No
Random crap. Yes

Even words Yes
Seems to be good No
But maybe it was just chance? No
Time to find out if Iím just lucky. Yes

Odd No
Might work too No
I just did it wrong No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 14, 2019, 10:57:37 am
I enjoy looking at
Yes and
No as the responses
To my various statements
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 14, 2019, 11:05:10 am
Do you know what I mean?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 14, 2019, 11:15:40 am
Do you know what I mean?

No, I do not.
Why are we doing even sentences?
Makes no sense.
At all.
Vicious words.
Smile plox
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 11:18:58 am
I enjoy looking at Yes
Yes and Yes
No as the responses Yes
To my various statements No

Do you know what I mean? Yes

No, I do not. Yes
Why are we doing even sentences? No
Makes no sense. Yes
At all. No
Vicious words. No
Smile plox No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 01:44:14 pm
math
math math
math math math
math math math math
math?
math math?
math math math?
math math math math?
EVA
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 01:45:52 pm
Relaxing in basins at the end of inlets terminates the endless tests from the box?
A short brimless felt hat barely blocks out the sound of a Celtic violin?
Signage indicating endowments for industrial diamonds annoy filth-spreading genies?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 01:47:19 pm
Waltz, bad nymph, for quick jigs vex!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 01:51:55 pm
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 04:01:22 pm
Iím on the case Yes
Time to make random gibberish No
Good range Yes
If No
Random crap. Yes

Even words Yes
Seems to be good No
But maybe it was just chance? No
Time to find out if Iím just lucky. Yes

Odd No
Might work too No
I just did it wrong No

I enjoy looking at Yes
Yes and Yes
No as the responses Yes
To my various statements No

Do you know what I mean? Yes

No, I do not. Yes
Why are we doing even sentences? No
Makes no sense. Yes
At all. No
Vicious words. No
Smile plox No

math No
math math No
math math math No
math math math math No
math? No
math math? No
math math math? No
math math math math? No
EVA No

Relaxing in basins at the end of inlets terminates the endless tests from the box? Yes
A short brimless felt hat barely blocks out the sound of a Celtic violin? No
Signage indicating endowments for industrial diamonds annoy filth-spreading genies? Yes

Waltz, bad nymph, for quick jigs vex! Yes
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 04:24:10 pm
Sphinx of black quarts, judge my vow!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 14, 2019, 04:26:34 pm
Sphinx of black quarts, judge my vow! Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 14, 2019, 04:30:00 pm
yo, dig out, amen
are you doing this?
are words exist?
go out and get what's mine?
yy oo ??r53?? attt???!!9 aholy?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 04:36:28 pm
d?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 04:39:17 pm
ghasp!
juck!
plop?
quack!
wax!
zone!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 14, 2019, 04:46:12 pm
See in a ship! Short stories! The corner on Lylac is NO!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 05:14:15 am
Iím on the case Yes
Time to make random gibberish No
Good range Yes
If No
Random crap. Yes

Even words Yes
Seems to be good No
But maybe it was just chance? No
Time to find out if Iím just lucky. Yes

Odd No
Might work too No
I just did it wrong No

I enjoy looking at Yes
Yes and Yes
No as the responses Yes
To my various statements No

Do you know what I mean? Yes

No, I do not. Yes
Why are we doing even sentences? No
Makes no sense. Yes
At all. No
Vicious words. No
Smile plox No

math No
math math No
math math math No
math math math math No
math? No
math math? No
math math math? No
math math math math? No
EVA No

Relaxing in basins at the end of inlets terminates the endless tests from the box? Yes
A short brimless felt hat barely blocks out the sound of a Celtic violin? No
Signage indicating endowments for industrial diamonds annoy filth-spreading genies? Yes

Waltz, bad nymph, for quick jigs vex! Yes
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. Yes
Sphinx of black quarts, judge my vow! Yes

yo, dig out, amen No
are you doing this? Yes
are words exist? No
go out and get what's mine? Yes
yy oo ??r53?? attt???!!9 aholy? No

d? No
ghasp! No
juck! No
plop? No
quack! No
wax! No
zone! Yes

See in a ship! Short stories! The corner on Lylac is NO! Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 05:30:09 am
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J
K
L
M
N
O
P
Q
R
S
T
I
V
W
X
Y
Z

Sorry about that...
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 05:43:26 am
A No
B No
C No
D No
E No
F No
G No
H No
I No
J No
K No
L No
M No
N Yes
O No
P No
Q No
R No
S No
T No
I No
V No
W No
X No
Y No
Z No

Sorry about that... No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 06:04:03 am
AA
BB
CC
DD
EE
FF
GG
HH
II
JJ
KK
LL
MM
NN
OO
PP
QQ
RR
SS
TT
UU
VV
WE
XX
YY
ZZ
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 06:10:50 am
AA No
BB No
CC No
DD No
EE No
FF No
GG No
HH No
II No
JJ No
KK No
LL No
MM No
NN Yes
OO No
PP No
QQ No
RR No
SS No
TT No
UU No
VV No
WE No
XX No
YY No
ZZ No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 06:44:53 am
I've been trying to get at a similar test with more elegance, but I guess the direct way works too?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 06:45:25 am
Sound?
Violin?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 06:56:49 am
I've been trying to get at a similar test with more elegance, but I guess the direct way works too?

Yeah, I could tell, I got bored.

NAAAA
ANAAA
AANAA
AAANA
AAAAN
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 07:02:59 am
Dominion Online?
Donifion Offline?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 07:03:32 am
Dofifiof Offlife?

Damf there are mafy fs if Dofifiof!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 07:06:37 am
I've been trying to get at a similar test with more elegance, but I guess the direct way works too? Yes

Sound? Yes
Violin? Yes

Yeah, I could tell, I got bored. No

NAAAA Yes
ANAAA Yes
AANAA Yes
AAANA Yes
AAAAN Yes

Dominion Online? Yes
Donifion Offline? Yes
Dofifiof Offlife? No
Damf there are mafy fs if Dofifiof! No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 07:12:48 am
Time to make random
Time to random gibberish
random
make random gibberish
make random
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 07:20:18 am
Time to make random No
Time to random gibberish Yes
random Yes
make random gibberish Yes
make random Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 07:27:06 am
N A A A A
A N A A A
A A N A A
A A A N A
A A A A N
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 07:29:00 am
SphiX of black quartz, judge my vow!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 07:33:19 am
Iím on the case Yes
Time to make random gibberish No
Good range Yes
If No
Random crap. Yes

Even words Yes
Seems to be good No
But maybe it was just chance? No
Time to find out if Iím just lucky. Yes

Odd No
Might work too No
I just did it wrong No

I enjoy looking at Yes
Yes and Yes
No as the responses Yes
To my various statements No

Do you know what I mean? Yes

No, I do not. Yes
Why are we doing even sentences? No
Makes no sense. Yes
At all. No
Vicious words. No
Smile plox No

math No
math math No
math math math No
math math math math No
math? No
math math? No
math math math? No
math math math math? No
EVA No

Relaxing in basins at the end of inlets terminates the endless tests from the box? Yes
A short brimless felt hat barely blocks out the sound of a Celtic violin? No
Signage indicating endowments for industrial diamonds annoy filth-spreading genies? Yes

Waltz, bad nymph, for quick jigs vex! Yes
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. Yes
Sphinx of black quarts, judge my vow! Yes

yo, dig out, amen No
are you doing this? Yes
are words exist? No
go out and get what's mine? Yes
yy oo ??r53?? attt???!!9 aholy? No

d? No
ghasp! No
juck! No
plop? No
quack! No
wax! No
zone! Yes

See in a ship! Short stories! The corner on Lylac is NO! Yes

A No
B No
C No
D No
E No
F No
G No
H No
I No
J No
K No
L No
M No
N Yes
O No
P No
Q No
R No
S No
T No
I No
V No
W No
X No
Y No
Z No

Sorry about that... No

AA No
BB No
CC No
DD No
EE No
FF No
GG No
HH No
II No
JJ No
KK No
LL No
MM No
NN Yes
OO No
PP No
QQ No
RR No
SS No
TT No
UU No
VV No
WE No
XX No
YY No
ZZ No

I've been trying to get at a similar test with more elegance, but I guess the direct way works too? Yes

Sound? Yes
Violin? Yes

Yeah, I could tell, I got bored. No

NAAAA Yes
ANAAA Yes
AANAA Yes
AAANA Yes
AAAAN Yes

Dominion Online? Yes
Donifion Offline? Yes
Dofifiof Offlife? No
Damf there are mafy fs if Dofifiof! No

Time to make random No
Time to random gibberish Yes
random Yes
make random gibberish Yes
make random Yes

N A A A A Yes
A N A A A Yes
A A N A A Yes
A A A N A No
A A A A N No

SphiX of black quartz, judge my vow! No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 07:36:10 am
Guess: The first three strings must contain at least one ďNĒ
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 07:38:47 am
Guess: The first three strings must contain at least one ďNĒ
Correct! (I felt like protecting myself from needing to do lots of work if people wrote long questions...)
Go Eddie.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 07:40:34 am
Okay, never done this before obviously, so I might make it an uncomfortable difficulty (too easy or too hard)

That being said, I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 07:41:43 am
Is your rule too easy?
Is it too hard?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 07:43:20 am
Is your rule too easy? No
Is it too hard? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 07:44:34 am
Is your rule too easy? No
Is it too hard? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 07:52:48 am
Is your rule that is neither too hard nor too easy too hard or too easy?
Dofifiof Oflife?
Do fifi of of life?
Square squared sqaures squarely?
Won't walls work well when white worspip waxes?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 07:54:39 am
Whef ofe replaces all fs if a fefefce with fs, the result looks fuffy
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 07:57:13 am
Is your rule that is neither too hard nor too easy too hard or too easy? No
Dofifiof Oflife? No
Do fifi of of life? No
Square squared sqaures squarely? No
Won't walls work well when white worspip waxes? No


Whef ofe replaces all fs if a fefefce with fs, the result looks fuffy No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:01:51 am
Qua?
Saq?
aqua?
qualia?
parity?
parity parity?
parity parity parity?
parity parity parity parity?
parity parity parity parity parity?
Yang?
Yang Yang?
Yang Yang Yang?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:04:52 am
Qua? Yes
Saq? Yes
aqua? Yes
qualia? Yes
parity? Yes
parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity parity? Yes
Yang? Yes
Yang Yang? Yes
Yang Yang Yang? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 08:11:43 am
Guess: All words in the question are identical <==> Yes.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:19:15 am
Guess: All words in the question are identical <==> Yes.

Incorrect

Counter example:

Words very different. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:20:23 am
Guess: All words need to have a character in common.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:21:52 am
Nvm; the wall and quack thing, I forgot.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:23:28 am
qualia qualia qualia yang?
qualia qualia yang yang?
qualia yang yang yang qualia?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:24:24 am
Guess: All words need to have a character in common.

Incorrect

Counter example:

All have an a. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:26:43 am
Nvm; the wall and quack thing, I forgot. No



qualia qualia qualia yang? No
qualia qualia yang yang? No
qualia yang yang yang qualia? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:32:39 am
Words very different?
Very different words?
Different Words very?
Different Words vary?
Very words different?
Vary words differently?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:35:42 am
Words very different? Yes
Very different words? No
Different Words very? No
Different Words vary? No
Very words different? No
Vary words differently? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:38:13 am
Words very very different?
Words very different different?
Words words very different?
Words words very very differerent different?
Would words work wonders when woke?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:41:39 am
Words very very different? Yes
Words very different different? Yes
Words words very different? Yes
Words words very very differerent different? Yes
Would words work wonders when woke? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:44:07 am
Guess: the words have to be in monotonously decreasing alphabetical order.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:46:09 am
Guess: the words have to be in monotonously decreasing alphabetical order.

Explain what you mean by monotonously.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:50:40 am
If i and j are indices, then i < j  implies w_i >= w_j. (In contrast to strictly monotously,  where i < j implies w_i > w_j)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:51:56 am
(and by w_i >= w_j I mean word i comes after word j in the alphabet)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:52:40 am
EBWOP (and by w_i >= w_j I mean word i comes after or at the same position than word j in the alphabet)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 08:53:52 am
Okay, then I believe you are Correct!

Time for me to sleep, it was too easy after all.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 08:56:13 am
I'm not so sure it was too easy. If we had had more YES early, we might have developed incorrect theories and invested a lot of time in them. There's luck involved.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 09:18:48 am
I have a rule.

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 15, 2019, 09:36:56 am
Are you using monotonously to mean monotonically?
I appreaciate that meaning can be affected by usage.
So maybe now monotonously has gathered a new meaning?
But if we take that too far then I can use any word to mean anything, can't I?
I know what your rule is.
It is aardvark.
I will explain what I am using 'aardvark' to mean, later.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 15, 2019, 09:40:55 am
It's obviously llfiiop, gghytsz.
You really have to be sddrtzz to not know that.
Hhhhhhhhhhh.............
Ui ya ghh c?
Quest?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 12:15:09 pm
Are you using monotonously to mean monotonically? Yes (Ah. Yes. Wrong adverb.)
I appreaciate that meaning can be affected by usage. No
So maybe now monotonously has gathered a new meaning? Yes
But if we take that too far then I can use any word to mean anything, can't I? Yes
I know what your rule is. Yes
It is aardvark. No
I will explain what I am using 'aardvark' to mean, later. No

It's obviously llfiiop, gghytsz. Yes
You really have to be sddrtzz to not know that. Yes
Hhhhhhhhhhh............. No
Ui ya ghh c? Yes
Quest? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MeNowDealWithIt on March 15, 2019, 03:28:33 pm
?.
.?
...?
?..!
..
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 03:50:33 pm
?. No
.? No
...? No
?..! No
.. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 15, 2019, 03:53:34 pm
aadvark.
That's the rule, right?
About elementary is our universe?
About elementary is our universe, yours.
You know where I'm going with this, right?
Let's make something big and fun and really really long for next part, watch this, I'm so clever.
Lt's mk smthng bg nd fn nd rlly rlly lng fr nxt prt, wtch ths, 'm s clvr
e ae oei i a u a ea ea o o e a a i I o ee
Yeah.
I know.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 15, 2019, 03:54:32 pm
aadvark. No
That's the rule, right? Yes
About elementary is our universe? Yes
About elementary is our universe, yours. Yes
You know where I'm going with this, right? Yes
Let's make something big and fun and really really long for next part, watch this, I'm so clever. Yes
Lt's mk smthng bg nd fn nd rlly rlly lng fr nxt prt, wtch ths, 'm s clvr No
e ae oei i a u a ea ea o o e a a i I o ee No
Yeah. No
I know. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 15, 2019, 09:21:25 pm
It seems like a long one will Inevitably work
Like, eventually it must follow the rule
Unless you purposely make it weird.
LLL OOO LLL OOO LLL
Weird.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 16, 2019, 04:09:27 am
It seems like a long one will Inevitably work Yes
Like, eventually it must follow the rule Yes
Unless you purposely make it weird. No
LLL OOO LLL OOO LLL No
Weird. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 17, 2019, 08:43:47 am
It is aardvark, I know it.
Aardvark quest?
Rule?
Right?
It's?
Save?
Port?
Starboard?
Obviously?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 17, 2019, 08:50:28 am
Are you using monotonously to mean monotonically? Yes (Ah. Yes. Wrong adverb.)
I appreaciate that meaning can be affected by usage. No
So maybe now monotonously has gathered a new meaning? Yes
But if we take that too far then I can use any word to mean anything, can't I? Yes
I know what your rule is. Yes
It is aardvark. No
I will explain what I am using 'aardvark' to mean, later. No

It's obviously llfiiop, gghytsz. Yes
You really have to be sddrtzz to not know that. Yes
Hhhhhhhhhhh............. No
Ui ya ghh c? Yes
Quest? Yes

?. No
.? No
...? No
?..! No
.. No

aadvark. No
That's the rule, right? Yes
About elementary is our universe? Yes
About elementary is our universe, yours. Yes
You know where I'm going with this, right? Yes
Let's make something big and fun and really really long for next part, watch this, I'm so clever. Yes
Lt's mk smthng bg nd fn nd rlly rlly lng fr nxt prt, wtch ths, 'm s clvr No
e ae oei i a u a ea ea o o e a a i I o ee No
Yeah. No
I know. Yes


It seems like a long one will Inevitably work Yes
Like, eventually it must follow the rule Yes
Unless you purposely make it weird. No
LLL OOO LLL OOO LLL No
Weird. No

It is aardvark, I know it. Yes
Aardvark quest? Yes
Rule? No
Right? Yes
It's? No
Save? No
Port? No
Starboard? Yes
Obviously? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 17, 2019, 09:20:53 am
It, seems, like, a, long, one, will, Inevitably, work
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 17, 2019, 09:41:15 am
It, seems, like, a, long, one, will, Inevitably, work Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 18, 2019, 04:08:26 am
Guess: The question contains two consecutive letters which are consecutive in the alphabet, in order.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 18, 2019, 04:12:31 am
Correct! That was fast!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 18, 2019, 04:18:56 am
Correct! That was fast!
Something about "quest" and "know", very different words both making yeses.
Also a vague memory of seeing it before (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5891.msg319569#msg319569).

I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 18, 2019, 05:47:26 am
Time for all
the random crap
that gives us people
a starting
point

A
A A
A A A
AAA
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 18, 2019, 05:55:51 am
Time for all No
the random crap No
that gives us people No
a starting No
point No

A No
A A No
A A A No
AAA No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 18, 2019, 09:21:39 am
Well, thatís disheartening. Time to write a long one and see how that makes this game fare.

And a shorty

With numbers 1234567890

Andweirdnesswitheverythingelse

I will achieve a yes, I promise.

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 18, 2019, 10:08:24 am
Well, thatís disheartening. Time to write a long one and see how that makes this game fare. No
And a shorty No
With numbers 1234567890 No
Andweirdnesswitheverythingelse No
I will achieve a yes, I promise. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 18, 2019, 10:14:38 am
Promise broken.
Did we ask anything yet?
Doubt it.
This is soooo hard...
But; it's really fun.
And that makes it the best thing ever!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 18, 2019, 11:38:52 am
Promise broken. No
Did we ask anything yet? No
Doubt it. No
This is soooo hard... No
But; it's really fun. No
And that makes it the best thing ever! No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 18, 2019, 01:37:47 pm
Did Hitler do anything wrong?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on March 18, 2019, 03:29:54 pm
Just mainly to get a yes: Guess: Always no.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 18, 2019, 03:49:53 pm
Just mainly to get a yes: Guess: Always no.
Incorrect. Counterexample:
Don't you think Elliptic Curve Cryptography's cool cool? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on March 18, 2019, 04:20:51 pm
A A A A?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 18, 2019, 08:42:13 pm
D Y T E C C C C

Cranberry cranberry cranberry cranberry bran berry

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 18, 2019, 08:50:05 pm
Don't you think Elliptic Curve

Curve Cryptography's cool cool?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 19, 2019, 02:27:48 am
Time for all No
the random crap No
that gives us people No
a starting No
point No

A No
A A No
A A A No
AAA No

Well, thatís disheartening. Time to write a long one and see how that makes this game fare. No
And a shorty No
With numbers 1234567890 No
Andweirdnesswitheverythingelse No
I will achieve a yes, I promise. No

Promise broken. No
Did we ask anything yet? No
Doubt it. No
This is soooo hard... No
But; it's really fun. No
And that makes it the best thing ever! No

Guess: Always no.
Incorrect. Counterexample:
Don't you think Elliptic Curve Cryptography's cool cool? Yes

A A A A? No

D Y T E C C C C No
Cranberry cranberry cranberry cranberry bran berry No

Don't you think Elliptic Curve No
Curve Cryptography's cool cool? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 19, 2019, 05:29:28 am
Elliptic curve
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 19, 2019, 09:25:32 am
Just playing around with capitalization here...

D y t E C C c c?
Don't You Think Elliptic Curve Cryptography's Cool Cool?
don't you think elliptic curve cryptography's cool cool?
don't You Think elliptic curve cryptography's Cool Cool?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 19, 2019, 09:32:56 am
Elliptic curve No

Just playing around with capitalization here... No

D y t E C C c c? No
Don't You Think Elliptic Curve Cryptography's Cool Cool? Yes
don't you think elliptic curve cryptography's cool cool? No
don't You Think elliptic curve cryptography's Cool Cool? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 19, 2019, 01:54:54 pm
Donít you think Caps Are Better than not?

Don't you Think elliptic Curve cryptography's Cool cool?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 19, 2019, 05:57:25 pm
Donít you think Caps Are Better than not? No
Don't you Think elliptic Curve cryptography's Cool cool? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 19, 2019, 10:16:25 pm
So it cares about capitalization
And also about the actual words
This is an interesting rule
But hard to get a yes out of
Let's see how sensitive it is
And to what

Don yo thin Ellipti Curv Cryptography coo coo?
Do y thi Ellipt Cur Cryptograph co co?
Don't Elliptic Curve Cryptography's?
Don Ellipti Curv Cryptography
Do Ellipt Cur Cryptograph?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on March 19, 2019, 10:26:51 pm
Don't Cryptography's?
DON'T YOU THINK ELLIPTIC CURVE CRYPTOGRAPHY'S COOL COOL?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 20, 2019, 05:04:03 am
So it cares about capitalization No
And also about the actual words No
This is an interesting rule No
But hard to get a yes out of No
Let's see how sensitive it is No
And to what No

Don yo thin Ellipti Curv Cryptography coo coo? No
Do y thi Ellipt Cur Cryptograph co co? No
Don't Elliptic Curve Cryptography's? Yes
Don Ellipti Curv Cryptography No
Do Ellipt Cur Cryptograph? No

Don't Cryptography's? No
DON'T YOU THINK ELLIPTIC CURVE CRYPTOGRAPHY'S COOL COOL? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 20, 2019, 05:05:45 am
Elliptic Cryptography's?
Curve Cryptography's?
Elliptic Curve?
Elliptic Curve Cryptography?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 20, 2019, 05:14:07 am
Elliptic Cryptography's? No
Curve Cryptography's? No
Elliptic Curve? No
Elliptic Curve Cryptography? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 20, 2019, 08:05:38 am
Elliptic curve Cryptography?
elliptic Curve Cryptography?
Elliptic Curve cryptography?
Elliptic CUrve Cryptography?
Elliptic cUrve Cryptography?
elliptic Curve cryptography?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 20, 2019, 08:09:21 am
Elliptic curve Cryptography? No
elliptic Curve Cryptography? No
Elliptic Curve cryptography? No
Elliptic CUrve Cryptography? No
Elliptic cUrve Cryptography? No
elliptic Curve cryptography? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 20, 2019, 03:55:15 pm
Elliptic Curve Cryptography i think i might be able to put anything lowercase in here but im not sure about that lets find out?
and Elliptic maybe Curve in between Cryptography words?
Elliptic maybe the Curve first word has to be Cryptography a capital?
Dont you think Elliptic Curve Cryptographys cool cool?
D'o'n't y'o'u t'h'i'n'k E'l'l'i'p't'i'c C'u'r'v'e C'r'y'p't'o'g'r'a'p'h'y's c'o'o'l c'o'o'l?
E'l'l'i'p't'i'c C'u'r'v'e C'r'y'p't'o'g'r'a'p'h'y?
Elliptic does punctuation Curve make a difference Cryptography?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 20, 2019, 06:22:23 pm
Elliptic Curve Cryptography i think i might be able to put anything lowercase in here but im not sure about that lets find out? Yes
and Elliptic maybe Curve in between Cryptography words? No
Elliptic maybe the Curve first word has to be Cryptography a capital? No
Dont you think Elliptic Curve Cryptographys cool cool? Yes
D'o'n't y'o'u t'h'i'n'k E'l'l'i'p't'i'c C'u'r'v'e C'r'y'p't'o'g'r'a'p'h'y's c'o'o'l c'o'o'l? No
E'l'l'i'p't'i'c C'u'r'v'e C'r'y'p't'o'g'r'a'p'h'y? No
Elliptic does punctuation Curve make a difference Cryptography? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 20, 2019, 09:20:14 pm
Just like the previous guess, this is only to rule something out:

Guess: If it contains the string "Elliptic Curve Cryptography", it is yes, otherwise no.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 21, 2019, 04:05:09 am
Just like the previous guess, this is only to rule something out:

Guess: If it contains the string "Elliptic Curve Cryptography", it is yes, otherwise no.
Correct. Your turn.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 21, 2019, 04:09:32 am
Aren't these eliptic curvues the basis for some kind of abelian group which has better properties than Z_p with only have of its elements? That was mentioned in the class on cryptography I took the past semester but it didn't go into detail.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 21, 2019, 04:09:56 am
*have -> half
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 21, 2019, 04:34:16 am
Aren't these eliptic curvues the basis for some kind of abelian group which has better properties than Z_p with only have of its elements? That was mentioned in the class on cryptography I took the past semester but it didn't go into detail.
That sounds about right. Though I think the number of elements tends to be close to p, not half of p. The number of x-coordinates is close to half of p, but each valid x-coordinate occurs in two points of the curve.
I think it is cool that a seemingly innocuous sounding concept like 'scalar multiplication' of points on the curve leads to a cryptographically secure group. And you can visualise it all nicely on a graph (which doesn't look anything like an ellipse by the way). And you can casually throw in a 'point at infinity' which makes it all work. And... well after this rule I think everyone should go and find out about elliptic curve cryptography. :)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 21, 2019, 07:10:53 am
That was supposed to read "better than [Z_p with only half of its elements]". I think you had to take a subgroup of Z_p that was always exactly half the size because otherwise one bit of information was leaking... right?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 21, 2019, 07:11:30 am
And even then it was somehow supposed to be less awesome than the eliptic curve thing though our prof didn't tell us why  :D
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 21, 2019, 09:02:05 am
Just like the previous guess, this is only to rule something out:

Guess: If it contains the string "Elliptic Curve Cryptography", it is yes, otherwise no.
Correct. Your turn.

Wait, actually?
I didn't think it was actually the rule; I was just trying to get some variation so I could get a better lead.
But I'll take it.

I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 21, 2019, 09:44:34 am
Well that rule was uh...
Something.
I hope I helped!
Not really too focused on this
Got other things on my mind (wink).
Is winking allowed?
Well, too late now!
Or is it...
No?
Hmm
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 21, 2019, 09:54:27 am
Well that rule was uh... Yes
Something. No
I hope I helped! Yes
Not really too focused on this Yes
Got other things on my mind (wink). Yes
Is winking allowed? Yes
Well, too late now! Yes
Or is it... Yes
No? Yes
Hmm No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 21, 2019, 01:40:40 pm
Noo
Boo
Hm
Weell too late now
Well too late now
Soommethiing
(Wink)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on March 21, 2019, 02:11:59 pm
I ame veryy bad ate makinge these without being obvious
But I preferr co-op anyways!
I think winking ruled out the ideas I had...
How that about?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 21, 2019, 08:14:01 pm
Well that rule was uh... Yes
Something. No
I hope I helped! Yes
Not really too focused on this Yes
Got other things on my mind (wink). Yes
Is winking allowed? Yes
Well, too late now! Yes
Or is it... Yes
No? Yes
Hmm No

Noo Yes
Boo Yes
Hm No
Weell too late now Yes
Well too late now Yes
Soommethiing No
(Wink) Yes

I ame veryy bad ate makinge these without being obvious Yes
But I preferr co-op anyways! Yes
I think winking ruled out the ideas I had... Yes
How that about? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 21, 2019, 08:25:32 pm
Him
Hom
See
Sii
Nee
Nah
Naa
Sooooooomthing
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 21, 2019, 08:48:10 pm
Him No
Hom No
See No
Sii Yes
Nee No
Nah Yes
Naa No
Sooooooomthing No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 21, 2019, 08:58:06 pm
Isi
isi
SII
anh
NAH
Hum
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 21, 2019, 09:43:33 pm
Isi Yes
isi Yes
SII Yes
anh No
NAH Yes
Hum No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 22, 2019, 04:53:14 am
ahn
han
hna
nha
nah
hhelibebcnofnena
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 22, 2019, 11:18:09 am
ahn No
han No
hna Yes
nha No
nah Yes
hhelibebcnofnena Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 23, 2019, 09:04:36 am
a
h
n
ah
an
ha
hn
na
nh
abc
bca
cab
acb
cba
bac
Are we getting somewhere?
Are we getting something?
Something useful?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 23, 2019, 08:05:30 pm
No
Yes

a No
h Yes
n Yes
ah No
an No
ha No
hn Yes
na Yes
nh Yes
abc No
bca Yes
cab Yes
acb Yes
cba Yes
bac Yes
Are we getting somewhere? No
Are we getting something? No
Something useful? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 23, 2019, 08:07:56 pm
Ignore the no and yes at the top of the last post, with no question attached. I was using them to copy and paste my responses because I didn't want to manually change the color each time. I just forgot to delete them.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Awaclus on March 23, 2019, 08:19:50 pm
Ignore the no and yes at the top of the last post, with no question attached. I was using them to copy and paste my responses because I didn't want to manually change the color each time. I just forgot to delete them.

Couldn't you just first copy the Yes to every Yes question and then copy the No to every No question?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 23, 2019, 08:32:56 pm
Couldn't you just first copy the Yes to every Yes question and then copy the No to every No question? Yes

And, as an actual answer, yes, I suppose I could do that. I guess I just want to make sure I don't miss one.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Uncleeurope on March 24, 2019, 08:10:36 pm
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J
K
L
M
N
O
P
Q
R
S
T
U
V
W
X
Y
Z
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 24, 2019, 08:39:17 pm
A No
B Yes
C Yes
D No
E No
F Yes
G No
H Yes
I Yes
J No
K Yes
L No
M No
N Yes
O Yes
P Yes
Q No
R No
S Yes
T No
U Yes
V Yes
W Yes
X No
Y Yes
Z No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 25, 2019, 04:32:45 am
AA
AD
AE
AG
RZ
TZ
XZ
ZZ

BB
BC
BF
BH
UY
VY
WY
YY

EGG
JAM
LAME
DAGGER
GRAMMAR

WHY
SPOON
WISH
WHISK
BUFFOON
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 25, 2019, 01:38:16 pm
A something
B something
C something
D something
E something
F something
something A
something B
something C
something D
something E
something F

A boo
B boo
C boo
D boo
E boo
F boo
boo A
boo B
boo C
boo D
boo E
boo F
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 25, 2019, 02:03:25 pm
AA No
AD No
AE No
AG Yes
RZ No
TZ No
XZ No
ZZ No

BB Yes
BC Yes
BF Yes
BH Yes
UY Yes
VY Yes
WY Yes
YY Yes

EGG No
JAM No
LAME No
DAGGER No
GRAMMAR No

WHY Yes
SPOON Yes
WISH Yes
WHISK Yes
BUFFOON Yes

A something No
B something Yes
C something Yes
D something No
E something No
F something Yes
something A No
something B Yes
something C Yes
something D No
something E No
something F Yes

A boo Yes
B boo Yes
C boo Yes
D boo Yes
E boo Yes
F boo Yes
boo A Yes
boo B Yes
boo C Yes
boo D Yes
boo E Yes
boo F Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 25, 2019, 03:44:26 pm
AJ
AL
AM
AQ
AR
AT
AX
AZ
A G
G something
something G
GA
EG
GE
AGG
A D E G J L M Q R T X Z
A D E G J K L M Q R T X Z
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 25, 2019, 10:20:56 pm
AJ No
AL Yes
AM Yes
AQ No
AR Yes
AT Yes
AX No
AZ No
A G No
G something No
something G No
GA Yes
EG No
GE Yes
AGG No
A D E G J L M Q R T X Z No
A D E G J K L M Q R T X Z Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 26, 2019, 04:52:21 am
So
Som
Some
Somet
Someth
Somethi
Somethin
Something

SomethingA
SomethingB
SomethingC
SomethingD
SomethingE
SomethingF
SomethingG
SomethingH
SomethingI
SomethingJ
SomethingK
SomethingL
SomethingM
SomethingN
SomethingO
SomethingP
SomethingQ
SomethingR
SomethingS
SomethingT
SomethingU
SomethingV
SomethingW
SomethingX
SomethingY
SomethingZ
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 26, 2019, 04:59:29 am
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 26, 2019, 08:57:48 am
So Yes
Som No
Some No
Somet No
Someth No
Somethi No
Somethin No
Something No

SomethingA No
SomethingB No
SomethingC No
SomethingD No
SomethingE No
SomethingF No
SomethingG No
SomethingH No
SomethingI No
SomethingJ No
SomethingK No
SomethingL No
SomethingM No
SomethingN No
SomethingO No
SomethingP No
SomethingQ No
SomethingR No
SomethingS No
SomethingT No
SomethingU No
SomethingV No
SomethingW No
SomethingX No
SomethingY No
SomethingZ No

0 No
1 No
2 No
3 No
4 No
5 No
6 No
7 No
8 No
9 No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 26, 2019, 09:33:13 am
TAG
RAT
AXE
LEG
MAD
RAG
GEM
JET
GEL
ALE
ZED
QQQ

DATE
GATE
MEAL
MAZE
READ
TALL
JAZZ
TRAM
ZEAL

DREAM
GREAT
LLAMA
TAXED
ALERT

TARGET
MERGED
GARAGE

ZQXJMGD
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 26, 2019, 12:16:31 pm
TAG No
RAT No
AXE No
LEG No
MAD No
RAG No
GEM No
JET No
GEL No
ALE No
ZED No
QQQ No

DATE No
GATE Yes
MEAL No
MAZE No
READ No
TALL No
JAZZ No
TRAM No
ZEAL No

DREAM No
GREAT No
LLAMA No
TAXED No
ALERT No

TARGET No
MERGED No
GARAGE Yes

ZQXJMGD No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 27, 2019, 04:50:11 am
RA T
RA'T
RA-T
RA,T
A'G
A-G
A,G
AGA

SYPHON
SHAMPOO
CARPAL
WATKINSON
TERAPHONONA
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 27, 2019, 03:42:53 pm
Well that rule was uh... Yes
Something. No
I hope I helped! Yes
Not really too focused on this Yes
Got other things on my mind (wink). Yes
Is winking allowed? Yes
Well, too late now! Yes
Or is it... Yes
No? Yes
Hmm No

Noo Yes
Boo Yes
Hm No
Weell too late now Yes
Well too late now Yes
Soommethiing No
(Wink) Yes

I ame veryy bad ate makinge these without being obvious Yes
But I preferr co-op anyways! Yes
I think winking ruled out the ideas I had... Yes
How that about? Yes

Him No
Hom No
See No
Sii Yes
Nee No
Nah Yes
Naa No
Sooooooomthing No

Isi Yes
isi Yes
SII Yes
anh No
NAH Yes
Hum No

ahn No
han No
hna Yes
nha No
nah Yes
hhelibebcnofnena Yes

a No
h Yes
n Yes
ah No
an No
ha No
hn Yes
na Yes
nh Yes
abc No
bca Yes
cab Yes
acb Yes
cba Yes
bac Yes
Are we getting somewhere? No
Are we getting something? No
Something useful? No

Couldn't you just first copy the Yes to every Yes question and then copy the No to every No question? Yes

A No
B Yes
C Yes
D No
E No
F Yes
G No
H Yes
I Yes
J No
K Yes
L No
M No
N Yes
O Yes
P Yes
Q No
R No
S Yes
T No
U Yes
V Yes
W Yes
X No
Y Yes
Z No

AA No
AD No
AE No
AG Yes
RZ No
TZ No
XZ No
ZZ No

BB Yes
BC Yes
BF Yes
BH Yes
UY Yes
VY Yes
WY Yes
YY Yes

EGG No
JAM No
LAME No
DAGGER No
GRAMMAR No

WHY Yes
SPOON Yes
WISH Yes
WHISK Yes
BUFFOON Yes

A something No
B something Yes
C something Yes
D something No
E something No
F something Yes
something A No
something B Yes
something C Yes
something D No
something E No
something F Yes

A boo Yes
B boo Yes
C boo Yes
D boo Yes
E boo Yes
F boo Yes
boo A Yes
boo B Yes
boo C Yes
boo D Yes
boo E Yes
boo F Yes

AJ No
AL Yes
AM Yes
AQ No
AR Yes
AT Yes
AX No
AZ No
A G No
G something No
something G No
GA Yes
EG No
GE Yes
AGG No
A D E G J L M Q R T X Z No
A D E G J K L M Q R T X Z Yes

So Yes
Som No
Some No
Somet No
Someth No
Somethi No
Somethin No
Something No

SomethingA No
SomethingB No
SomethingC No
SomethingD No
SomethingE No
SomethingF No
SomethingG No
SomethingH No
SomethingI No
SomethingJ No
SomethingK No
SomethingL No
SomethingM No
SomethingN No
SomethingO No
SomethingP No
SomethingQ No
SomethingR No
SomethingS No
SomethingT No
SomethingU No
SomethingV No
SomethingW No
SomethingX No
SomethingY No
SomethingZ No

0 No
1 No
2 No
3 No
4 No
5 No
6 No
7 No
8 No
9 No

TAG No
RAT No
AXE No
LEG No
MAD No
RAG No
GEM No
JET No
GEL No
ALE No
ZED No
QQQ No

DATE No
GATE Yes
MEAL No
MAZE No
READ No
TALL No
JAZZ No
TRAM No
ZEAL No

DREAM No
GREAT No
LLAMA No
TAXED No
ALERT No

TARGET No
MERGED No
GARAGE Yes

ZQXJMGD No

RA T Yes
RA'T No
RA-T Yes
RA,T Yes
A'G Yes
A-G No
A,G No
AGA No

SYPHON Yes
SHAMPOO Yes
CARPAL Yes
WATKINSON Yes
TERAPHONONA Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 27, 2019, 03:46:55 pm
Just so you know, I will be away and offline from Thursday to Sunday, so I will not be able to answer questions during that time frame. I will answer all questions and/or guesses on Monday, unless someone guesses the rule before the day is over.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 27, 2019, 03:55:45 pm
Right, sothis
iswhat fits
sofar.
A question
isyes ifit
contains
atleast one
yesword.
A word isyes
ifitcan
be splitup
into "yes" strings.
"Yes" strings are one or two letters (possibly longer, but I haven't found any evidence for longer ones yet).
I'm compiling a listof "yes" strings, but don't have itin front ofme at the moment; I'll post it tomorrow.
Hopefully someone will be able to see some logic in the set of "yes" strings.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 27, 2019, 04:26:00 pm
Right, sothis Yes
iswhat fits Yes
sofar. Yes
A question No
isyes ifit Yes
contains Yes
atleast one Yes
yesword. No
A word isyes Yes
ifitcan No
be splitup Yes
into "yes" strings. Yes
"Yes" strings are one or two letters (possibly longer, but I haven't found any evidence for longer ones yet). Yes
I'm compiling a listof "yes" strings, but don't have itin front ofme at the moment; I'll post it tomorrow. Yes
Hopefully someone will be able to see some logic in the set of "yes" strings. Yes

Should I confirm/deny anything that was just said in there? In spoilers, of course.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 27, 2019, 11:59:30 pm
The following (in spoilers) is just me either confirming or denying the claim which infangthief made. If you don't want to know, don't read it. The claim is as follows:
"A question is yes if it contains at least one yes word. correct
A word is yes if it can be split up into yes strings. correct
Yes strings are one or two letters correct
(possibly longer   nope   , but I haven't found any evidence for longer ones yet)."

I will be out until Monday. I will respond to any questions/guesses then.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 28, 2019, 05:11:14 am
These letters and digraphs have been explicitly confirmed as 'yes':

B'C'F'H'I'K'N'O'P'S'U'V'W'Y
AG'AL'AM'AR'AT'GA'GE

These digraphs can be shown to be 'yes' assuming my earlier claims are correct:

AC
BA'CA'NA'NE'RA'TE

These letters and digraphs have been explicitly confirmed as not 'yes':

A D E G J L M Q R T X Z
AA AD AE AJ AQ AX AZ EG

These digraphs can be shown to be not 'yes' assuming my earlier claims are correct:

AB AH AN DA EE HA IM IT ME MM OM RD TC TR UM WE ZE
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 28, 2019, 05:38:19 am
Some likely 'yeses':
BE
EL
YE
TA
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 28, 2019, 05:43:18 am
Got it.
Guess: The question contains at least one word which is made up of symbols of chemical elements <=> Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 28, 2019, 05:59:49 am
And now your profile name makes sense!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on March 28, 2019, 09:21:17 am
I'm leaving in a half hour, and just thought I would pop on here just in case anyone guessed it, because if so I didn't want to keep anyone waiting around for four days.

Got it.
Guess: The question contains at least one word which is made up of symbols of chemical elements <=> Yes

Correct!

And now your profile name makes sense!

Yup!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on March 28, 2019, 09:48:39 am
I'm leaving in a half hour, and just thought I would pop on here just in case anyone guessed it, because if so I didn't want to keep anyone waiting around for four days.
Thanks. I thought I'd missed the boat.

I wonder if it's time we took a break anyway from Zendo questions. Come back to it in a few months? What does anyone else think?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on March 28, 2019, 12:28:36 pm
I've begun my break already, but if anyone else wants to play they don't need to wait for us.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 16, 2020, 02:15:19 pm
Ok, that was a nice long break.

I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 16, 2020, 02:16:19 pm
Good necro
What was that
15 months
?
Something
Like
that
...
yep.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 16, 2020, 03:46:40 pm
Good necro Yes
What was that No
15 months Yes
? No
Something No
Like Yes
that No
... No
yep. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Galzria on June 16, 2020, 04:00:19 pm
Cheese?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 16, 2020, 04:03:42 pm
Cheese? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 16, 2020, 04:31:28 pm
No cheese?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on June 16, 2020, 05:33:54 pm
Some cheese?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 16, 2020, 06:29:59 pm
I
like cheese
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on June 16, 2020, 07:10:53 pm
Why are we all asking about cheese?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 16, 2020, 07:16:31 pm
Why would we not ask about cheese?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 16, 2020, 07:18:38 pm
Why would we not ask about cheese?

Please
make
sentences
in
one
word
please.

Should
be
better
for
us
all.

Maybe
not
joth.

Sorry joth!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 16, 2020, 08:03:06 pm
No cheese? Yes
Some cheese?  Yes
I No
like cheese  Yes
Why are we all asking about cheese?  Yes
Why would we not ask about cheese?  Yes
Please  Yes
make  Yes
sentences  Yes
in  Yes
one  Yes
word  Yes
please. No

Should  Yes
be No
better  Yes
for  Yes
us No
all. No

Maybe  Yes
not  No
joth.  Yes

Sorry joth!  Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 17, 2020, 12:21:43 pm
adfkjsklfj adfkjlkd I
adsfkljiieii I
ddddddd dddddddd I
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa cheese?
bbbbbbbbbbbbbb cheese?
aaaaaaa bbbbbb ccc cheese?
cheese
cheese.
cheese?
Cheese?
Cheese.
Cheese

Also
I had
forgotten
about
this
thread.
Glad
it's back.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 17, 2020, 12:23:29 pm
Please.
Please?
Please
please.
please?
please
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 17, 2020, 12:40:50 pm
adfkjsklfj adfkjlkd I Yes
adsfkljiieii I Yes
ddddddd dddddddd I Yes
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa cheese? No
bbbbbbbbbbbbbb cheese? Yes
aaaaaaa bbbbbb ccc cheese? Yes
cheese Yes
cheese. Yes
cheese? Yes
Cheese? Yes
Cheese. Yes
Cheese Yes

Also Yes
I had Yes
forgotten No
about Yes
this Yes
thread. Yes
Glad Yes
it's back. Yes

Please. Yes
Please? Yes
Please Yes
please. Yes
please? Yes
please Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 17, 2020, 12:42:31 pm
a
aa
aaa
b
bb
bbb
ab
ba
aab
bba
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 17, 2020, 12:44:14 pm
a Yes
aa Yes
aaa Yes
b No
bb Yes
bbb Yes
ab Yes
ba Yes
aab Yes
bba Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 17, 2020, 12:52:09 pm
please. No

please. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 17, 2020, 01:22:39 pm
a
b
c
d
e
f
g
h
i
j
k
l
m
n
o
p
q
r
s
t
u
v
w
x
y
z
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 17, 2020, 01:24:33 pm
a Yes
b No
c No
d No
e No
No
g No
h No
i No
j No
k No
l No
m No
n No
o No
p No
q No
r No
s No
t No
u No
v No
w No
x No
y No
z No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 17, 2020, 01:24:43 pm
please. No

please. Yes

 ;D
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 17, 2020, 01:29:12 pm
please. No

please. Yes

 ;D

Oh I thought it was a mistake.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 17, 2020, 01:38:27 pm
z
y
x
w
v
u
t
s
r
q
p
o
n
m
l
k
j
i
h
g
f
e
d
c
b
a
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 17, 2020, 01:41:05 pm
--snip--
  • At the beginning of the round, the Oracle invents a secret rule, completely mechanical, based on - and solely on - the exact wording of the questions asked. This rule will, given the exact wording of a question, tell the Oracle to reply either "Yes" or "No". You must be able to answer the same question the same way, regardless of the context of the question. Examples include:
    --snip--

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 17, 2020, 01:51:16 pm
Whoops. Well that's what I get for necroing an ancient thread. Anyone want to take a guess anyway? It's not a terribly complicated rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 17, 2020, 01:56:44 pm
Is it YES if it container a letter (or character) from the previously asked phrase, NO, if it does not?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 17, 2020, 02:25:17 pm
Is it YES if it container a letter (or character) from the previously asked phrase, NO, if it does not?

Just letter. I figured character would be problematic since most questions end with a question mark.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 24, 2020, 04:13:22 pm
Scolapasta, do you have another rule, since you guessed the last one?
If not, I have one.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 24, 2020, 04:41:03 pm
Go for it.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on June 24, 2020, 05:28:34 pm
I'll get you started with some questions?
Is it a good rule?
Is it a legal rule, unlike my rule?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 24, 2020, 05:29:50 pm
can't
tell
if
those
are
real
questions
or
just
a
way
to
get
things
started

Who knows?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on June 24, 2020, 05:31:17 pm
Scolapasta, do you have another rule, since you guessed the last one?
If not, I have one.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 24, 2020, 07:49:31 pm
Didnít
Periodic table
beat
you
to
it?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 24, 2020, 07:50:19 pm
Didnít
Periodic table
beat
you
to
it?

He can't make questions
for his own rule!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 24, 2020, 07:53:25 pm
I did
Not realize
It was
Copy and
Pasted and
Thought it
Was an
Honest question
Lol
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 24, 2020, 07:55:39 pm
Incredible!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 25, 2020, 04:58:32 pm
Go for it. No
I'll get you started with some questions? No
Is it a good rule? No
Is it a legal rule, unlike my rule? No
can't No
tell No
if No
those Yes
are Yes
real Yes
questions No
or No
just No
a No
way No
to No
get Yes
things No
started No
Who knows? No
Scolapasta, do you have another rule, since you guessed the last one? Yes
If not, I have one. Yes
Didnít No
Periodic table Yes
beat Yes
you No
to No
it? No
He can't make questions Yes
for his own rule! No
I did No
Not realize Yes
It was No
Copy and No
Pasted and No
Thought it No
Was an No
Honest question Yes
Lol No
Incredible! Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on June 25, 2020, 07:21:18 pm
chose
hose
care
bare
dare
fare
hare
mare
ware
rare
tare
reality
veal
reel
ban cultist
seal
If not, I have.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 25, 2020, 07:59:21 pm
A
lot
of
english
words
have
the
letter
e
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 26, 2020, 12:22:59 am
chose Yes
hose Yes
care Yes
bare Yes
dare Yes
fare Yes
hare Yes
mare Yes
ware Yes
rare No
tare Yes
reality Yes
veal Yes
reel Yes
ban cultist No
seal Yes
If not, I have. No
A No
lot No
of No
english Yes
words No
have Yes
the Yes
letter Yes
e Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on June 26, 2020, 02:27:59 am
I hate doing this, but it seems it might help here...
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
H
I
J
K
L
M
N
O
P
Q
R
S
T
U
V
W
X
Y
Z
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 26, 2020, 11:54:55 am
I hate doing this, but it seems it might help here... Yes
A No
B No
C No
D No
E Yes
F No
G No
H No
I No
J No
K No
L No
M No
N No
O No
P No
Q No
R No
S No
T No
U No
V No
W No
X No
Y No
Z No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 11:56:18 am
Wait
I was right?
I don't
believe
it
wew
lel
beb
ded.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 26, 2020, 12:02:39 pm
Wait No
I was right? No
I don't No
believe Yes
it No
wew No
lel No
beb No
ded. No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on June 26, 2020, 12:03:39 pm
guess: it has a letter e and no words with repeated letters in it
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 12:04:37 pm
guess: it has a letter e and no words with repeated letters in it

repeated letters other than e, right?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on June 26, 2020, 12:05:13 pm
guess: it has a letter e and no words with repeated letters in it

repeated letters other than e, right?

yeah
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 26, 2020, 12:09:00 pm
guess: it has a letter e and no words with repeated letters in it

Counterexample:
I hate doing this, but it seems it might help here... Yes
("seems" has the letter s twice)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on June 26, 2020, 12:14:49 pm
let's try

I seem to hate doing this, but it might help here...
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 12:15:43 pm
Guess: the letter e appears as or more frequently than any other letter
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 26, 2020, 12:46:16 pm
Guess: the letter e appears as or more frequently than any other letter

Correct!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 12:59:07 pm
Sweet. Thanks LL!

I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 26, 2020, 01:27:56 pm
Is
it
a
rule
that
we
will
figure
out
quickly?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 26, 2020, 01:33:06 pm
Is this question, which I have intentionally made very long, a little too long to to evaluate in a timely manner, and if so, should I apologize?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 01:34:41 pm
Is Yes
it Yes
a Yes
rule No
that No
we Yes
will Yes
figure No
out Yes
quickly? No

Is this question, which I have intentionally made very long, a little too long to to evaluate in a timely manner, and if so, should I apologize? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on June 26, 2020, 01:37:23 pm
A rule
No rule
East rule
West rule
Yellow rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 01:38:27 pm
A rule No
No rule No
East rule No
West rule No
Yellow rule No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on June 26, 2020, 01:40:44 pm
A
No
West
East
Yellow

Also maybe this
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 01:41:47 pm
A Yes
No Yes
West No
East No
Yellow No

Also maybe this No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 26, 2020, 05:29:48 pm
Is it a we will out A No
is It A We Will Out a no
IsitawewilloutANo
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 26, 2020, 05:34:01 pm
Is it a we will out A No No
is It A We Will Out a no No
IsitawewilloutANo No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 27, 2020, 11:19:48 pm
Is it
a we
will out
A No
each of those
were yes
individually
clearly
only yes words
does not
a yes question
make
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 08:05:16 am
Is it Yes
a we Yes
will out No
A No Yes
each of those No
were yes Yes
individually No
clearly No
only yes words No
does not No
a yes question No
make Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 28, 2020, 11:05:06 am
l o
l out
will o
ll ou
lo
lol
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 28, 2020, 02:51:44 pm
can I still play?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 02:53:41 pm
l o Yes
l out No
will o Yes
ll ou No
lo Yes
lol Yes

can I still play? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 28, 2020, 03:27:28 pm
can I still play?

of course!

llou
llo
lou
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 03:28:45 pm
of course! No

llou No
llo Yes
lou No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 28, 2020, 03:31:34 pm
rule
ule
le
e
rul
ru
r
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 03:32:33 pm
rule No
ule No
le Yes
e Yes
rul Yes
ru Yes
r Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 28, 2020, 04:30:33 pm
tou
tuo
otu
uto
uot
ou
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 04:32:15 pm
tou Yes
tuo Yes
otu No
uto No
uot Yes
ou Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 28, 2020, 05:22:18 pm
yes
say
zap
pun

hip
hop
uke
pan

otto
pooh
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 05:25:00 pm
yes Yes
say Yes
zap Yes
pun Yes

hip No
hop No
uke No
pan Yes

otto No
pooh Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 28, 2020, 05:26:42 pm
app
iff
eek
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 05:28:24 pm
app Yes
iff Yes
eek Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 28, 2020, 05:32:19 pm
appa

the only one throwing me off is otto
but i think i have something
that fits the rest

whatever, i'll guess
and you'll only answer if i get it wrong

Guess: the question must not contain a series of three letters that go in the same direction in the alphabet (so abc is not okay because they go forward then forward but acb is because it goes forward then backward)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 05:43:14 pm
Wrong, "otto" would pass but it fails.

appa No
the only one throwing me off is otto No
but i think i have something  No
that fits the rest No
whatever, i'll guess No
and you'll only answer if i get it wrong No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 28, 2020, 07:16:34 pm
appo
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 28, 2020, 07:17:20 pm
appo No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 29, 2020, 04:55:05 am
were yes were yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 29, 2020, 04:55:58 am
fffffffffffffffff
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 29, 2020, 06:59:15 am
were yes were yes No
fffffffffffffffff Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 29, 2020, 11:48:32 am
wereyes
wereyesw
wereyeswe
wereyeswer
wereyeswere
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 29, 2020, 12:01:48 pm
wereyes Yes
wereyesw No
wereyeswe No
wereyeswer No
wereyeswere No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 12:50:07 pm
Just because I want a counterexample:

Guess: the question must not contain a series of three letters in the same direction. If a letter is repeated (like aa, but not aba), the second one, instead of counting as a letter, counts as a reverse function. So abb is two letters going towards the beginning. zyy is two letters going towards the end. abba is two pairs, abb (going towards the front) and bba (also going towards the front), so it doesn't count.

Okay, this probably isn't the rule, or else the rule was phrased much more simply than I can manage. But I want a counterexample.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 12:51:55 pm
Correction: abba is the two pairs ab(b) and ba.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 29, 2020, 12:55:10 pm
Do I need to think about that guess?

Let's just assume you are Correct! as you essentially have the rule down, I just don't know if you realized why doubles work like the way they do.

The rule was the word passes if it follows a trend of going up/down or down/up continually. But if you repeated a letter it would count as going in either direction. The problem with, say, "otto", was that it went up, "down", and then down again, which didn't follow the rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 29, 2020, 01:08:56 pm
Dang, I was about to ask something like azbycx... because I was on that track, but hadn't thought through the repeated letters yet. Nice hheli
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 29, 2020, 01:14:31 pm
Was that the most complex rule we ever had?

I've also thought about stuff with directions, but then concluded that I must be on the wrong track because if it had been something with that, surely I'd have found it.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 29, 2020, 01:16:16 pm
Was that the most complex rule we ever had?

I've also thought about stuff with directions, but then concluded that I must be on the wrong track because if it had been something with that, surely I'd have found it.

You did find it :P

I don't think so, but then again I wouldn't know how to classify complexity of rules.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 29, 2020, 01:22:51 pm
Did I? ???

Nothing wrong wit hard rules, anyway. But yeah, complexity isn't easy to quantify. The same rule will seem more intuitive to some than others.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 29, 2020, 01:25:57 pm
Did I? ???

Nothing wrong wit hard rules, anyway. But yeah, complexity isn't easy to quantify. The same rule will seem more intuitive to some than others.

Well you thought about it, so, kinda, yes.

I thought it was a really hard rule, but also one that would be caught eventually, even if not fully. In retrospect, the way repeated letters worked was a mess (they should've just invalidated the rule) but I didn't want to just remove a lot of otherwise good words due to that.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 29, 2020, 01:32:37 pm
@hhelibebcnofnena, remember, before when I didn't have a rule? I think I might have one now. (no idea if it's any good), if you're willing to let me take a shot as "host".
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Galzria on June 29, 2020, 01:37:51 pm
I find it harder to follow rules with multiple pieces.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 03:17:50 pm
@hhelibebcnofnena, remember, before when I didn't have a rule? I think I might have one now. (no idea if it's any good), if you're willing to let me take a shot as "host".

Go ahead!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 03:27:54 pm
The rule was the word passes if it follows a trend of going up/down or down/up continually. But if you repeated a letter it would count as going in either direction. The problem with, say, "otto", was that it went up, "down", and then down again, which didn't follow the rule.

That was the first phrasing I thought of, actually. But then I forgot about it because I was focused on the double letters, and I didn't remember that I had thought of a simple phrasing.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 29, 2020, 03:36:49 pm
Ok!

I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 29, 2020, 03:39:03 pm
I
have
a
rule
ok
OK!
words
abc
dfe
xyz
aeiou
bccdg
two words
three small words
areallyreallylongwordthatshouldnotbethislong
t h i s i s a m e m e s o m e h o w
!
? ? ?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 03:43:55 pm
My
favorite
word
is
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliophobia.
What's is your favorite word?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on June 29, 2020, 04:07:00 pm
What's is your favorite word?

quelea
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 29, 2020, 04:26:57 pm
I No
have No
a Yes
rule No
ok No
OK! No
words No
abc Yes
dfe No
xyz No
aeiou Yes
bccdg No
two words No
three small words Yes
areallyreallylongwordthatshouldnotbethislong Yes
t h i s i s a m e m e s o m e h o w No
! Yes
? ? ? Yes

My No
favorite No
word Yes
is No
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliophobia.Yes
What's is your favorite word? No

quelea No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 29, 2020, 04:29:11 pm
a
b
c
d
e
f
g

z
y
x
w
v
u
t

someone
fill
in
the
blanks
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 04:59:01 pm
sword
wsord
wosrd
worsd
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 29, 2020, 05:22:30 pm
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliophobi
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliophob
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliopho
hippopotomonstrosequipedalioph
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliop
hippopotomonstrosequipedalio
hippopotomonstrosequipedali
hippopotomonstrosequipedal
hippopotomonstrosequipeda
hippopotomonstrosequiped
hippopotomonstrosequipe
hippopotomonstrosequip
hippopotomonstrosequi
hippopotomonstrosequ
hippopotomonstroseq
hippopotomonstrose
hippopotomonstros
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 29, 2020, 06:15:28 pm
a Yes
b No
c No
d No
e No
f No
g No

z No
y No
x No
w No
v No
u No
t No

someone No
fill No
in No
the No
blanks No

sword No
wsord No
wosrd No
worsd No

hippopotomonstrosequipedaliophobi No
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliophob No
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliopho Yes
hippopotomonstrosequipedalioph Yes
hippopotomonstrosequipedaliop No
hippopotomonstrosequipedalio No
hippopotomonstrosequipedali Yes
hippopotomonstrosequipedal No
hippopotomonstrosequipeda No
hippopotomonstrosequiped No
hippopotomonstrosequipe No
hippopotomonstrosequip No
hippopotomonstrosequi Yes
hippopotomonstrosequ Yes
hippopotomonstroseq Yes
hippopotomonstrose Yes
hippopotomonstros No

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 09:16:45 pm
aeleuq
avhe
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 29, 2020, 09:23:23 pm
hree small words
ree small words
ee small words
e small words
small words
mall words
all words
ll words
l words
ords
rds
ds
s
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 29, 2020, 10:19:01 pm
aeleuq No
avhe No

hree small words No
ree small words Yes
ee small words Yes
e small words No
small words No
mall words No
all words No
ll words No
l words No
ords Yes
rds No
ds No
s No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 30, 2020, 04:21:36 am
abc
acb
bac
bca
cab
cba
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 30, 2020, 04:35:42 am
h
i
j
k
l
m
n
o
p
q
r
s
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 30, 2020, 04:37:25 am
abcdefg
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 30, 2020, 04:37:43 am
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 30, 2020, 11:01:08 am
abc Yes
acb Yes
bac Yes
bca Yes
cab Yes
cba Yes

h No
i No
j No
k No
l No
m No
n No
o No
p No
q No
r No
s No

abcdefg Yes

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 11:02:40 am
a
aa
aaa
aaaa
aaaaa
aaaaaa
aaaaaaa
aaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 11:06:11 am
Guess: The word must contain at least one of the letter determined by the length of the word. (1=a, 2=b... 26=z, 27=a, etc.)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 11:08:58 am
By word I mean question (I briefly forgot they could be more than one word)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 30, 2020, 11:20:59 am
Guess: The word must contain at least one of the letter determined by the length of the word. (1=a, 2=b... 26=z, 27=a, etc.)

I thought so much about letters as numbers in relation to the length of the word, and especially about how you could formulate a rule that would work only for a (among 1-letter words) but somehow this didn't occur to me. Really cool rule, too.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 30, 2020, 11:29:53 am
Guess: The word must contain at least one of the letter determined by the length of the word. (1=a, 2=b... 26=z, 27=a, etc.)

Yes, this correct!

(at first it was just going to be the first letter, so cab YES, abc, NO. But I thought there would be so many NOs that it would actually be even easier. So I audibled at last minute to be anywhere in the question.)

And, of course, just punctation had to contain the 0th letter, which I decided mean they were a YES.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 11:53:15 am
Did you count the really long ones out yourself, or did you copy paste them into a letter counter, out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 11:54:45 am
Also I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 30, 2020, 11:55:35 am
h
he
li
be
bc
no
fn
ena
no
u
word
words
two two
three three three
zero
.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 30, 2020, 11:57:04 am
Did you count the really long ones out yourself, or did you copy paste them into a letter counter, out of curiosity?

I counted. :) It helped that I usually just had to count 1, and then just add or subtract 1 at a time...
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 02:07:54 pm
h No
he Yes
li Yes
be Yes
bc No
no Yes
fn No
ena No
no Yes
u No
word No
words No
two two No
three three three No
zero Yes
. Yes
I counted. :) It helped that I usually just had to count 1, and then just add or subtract 1 at a time... No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 30, 2020, 02:19:25 pm
Nononononono
no no no
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 30, 2020, 02:20:24 pm
on on on
on no on no
onnoonno
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 03:31:03 pm
Nononononono Yes
no no no Yes
on on on Yes
on no on no Yes
onnoonno Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on June 30, 2020, 03:35:39 pm
Guess: the number of vowels (aeiuo) needs to be the same as the number of other symbols
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on June 30, 2020, 04:16:37 pm
. Yes

how do you explain this
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on June 30, 2020, 04:20:08 pm
Guess: the number of vowels (aeiuo) needs to be the same as the number of other symbols

. Yes

how do you explain this

I think the rule is a little more specific. Guess: The number of vowels (aeiou) needs to be the same as the number of consonants.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on June 30, 2020, 04:31:43 pm
We haven't even checked y.

Very?
Yeet?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 30, 2020, 04:38:56 pm
yett
yyet
yytt
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 05:17:09 pm
Guess: the number of vowels (aeiuo) needs to be the same as the number of other symbols

. Yes

how do you explain this

I think the rule is a little more specific. Guess: The number of vowels (aeiou) needs to be the same as the number of consonants.

Correct!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 05:32:10 pm
It seems I was right about that rule being easy. I didn't really want to take too long on this one, since I just had a rule recently.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 30, 2020, 06:28:00 pm
Guess: the number of vowels (aeiuo) needs to be the same as the number of other symbols

Dang it, that's the rule I was trying to confirm with my questions...
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on June 30, 2020, 06:28:56 pm
Guess: the number of vowels (aeiuo) needs to be the same as the number of other symbols

Dang it, that's the rule I was trying to confirm with my questions...

well, the consonants version
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 06:52:46 pm
Guess: the number of vowels (aeiuo) needs to be the same as the number of other symbols

Dang it, that's the rule I was trying to confirm with my questions...

There's no penalty for guessing incorrectly, so you can always try to confirm by guessing... Maybe next time!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on June 30, 2020, 07:41:27 pm
I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 08:10:56 pm
Rules and schools are tools for fools.
I don't give two mules for rules.
- Constance Contraire
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on June 30, 2020, 08:13:17 pm
what
why
are
you
making
it
complicated?
rules
schools
tools
fools
mules
rules again
really?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on June 30, 2020, 08:44:50 pm
well
i
like
the
quote
and sometimes longer questions
give insight
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on June 30, 2020, 09:35:14 pm
Allow
myself
to
introduce
myself.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on July 01, 2020, 01:15:52 am
Will the
real
slim
shady
please
stand
up?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 01:34:41 am
Rules and schools are tools for fools. Yes
I don't give two mules for rules. Yes
- Constance Contraire Yes

what No
why No
are No
you No
making No
it No
complicated? No
rules No
schools No
tools No
fools No
mules No
rules again No
really? No

well No
i No
like No
the No
quote No
and sometimes longer questions Yes
give insight Yes

Allow No
myself No
to No
introduce Yes
myself. No

Will the No
real No
slim No
shady No
please No
stand No
up? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 01, 2020, 01:37:24 am
and?
and sometimes?
and sometimes longer?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 10:27:37 am
and? No
and sometimes? Yes
and sometimes longer? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 01, 2020, 10:42:43 am
sometimes
give
insight
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 10:54:44 am
sometimes No
give No
insight No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 11:01:52 am
intro duce
intro
duce
ecudortni
troincedu
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 11:06:02 am
intro duce Yes
intro No
duce No
ecudortni Yes
troincedu Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 11:06:45 am
introduc
introdu
introd

ntroduce
troduce
roduce
oduce
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 11:23:05 am
a
b
c
aaaaaaa
aaaaaaaa
bbbbbbb
bbbbbbbb
abcdefgh
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 11:28:11 am
introduc No
introdu No
introd No

ntroduce Yes
troduce No
roduce No
oduce No

a No
b No
c No
aaaaaaa No
aaaaaaaa No
bbbbbbb No
bbbbbbbb No
abcdefgh No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 11:31:59 am
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 11:35:42 am
cdeinortu

cdeinort
cdeinor
cdeino
cdei
cde
cd
c

deinortu
einortu
inortu
nortu
ortu
rtu
tu
u
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on July 01, 2020, 11:36:56 am
ntrdc
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on July 01, 2020, 11:37:30 am
nd smtms
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 11:39:27 am
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa No
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb No
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz Yes
zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba Yes

cdeinortu Yes

cdeinort Yes
cdeinor Yes
cdeino Yes
cdei No
cde No
cd No
c No

deinortu Yes
einortu Yes
inortu No
nortu No
ortu No
rtu No
tu No
u No

ntrdc No

nd smtms No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 11:41:51 am
sigh...

cdein
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 11:42:47 am
introduce some random sentence that is way too long for any human to truly comprehend what is being said here with any certainty
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 11:44:15 am
sigh... No

cdein No

introduce some random sentence that is way too long for any human to truly comprehend what is being said here with any certainty Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 01, 2020, 12:39:51 pm
eino
sometimes longer
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 01, 2020, 12:41:25 pm
eno
one
noe
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 12:58:44 pm
abcdefghi
abcdefghij
abcdefghijk
abcdefghijkl
abcdefghijklm

acegikmoqsuwy
bdfhjlnprtvxz
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 01:03:18 pm
eino Yes
sometimes longer Yes

eno Yes
one Yes
noe Yes

abcdefghi No
abcdefghij No
abcdefghijk No
abcdefghijkl No
abcdefghijklm No

acegikmoqsuwy No
bdfhjlnprtvxz No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 01, 2020, 01:29:42 pm
abcdefghijklmn
abcdefghijklmno
abcdefghijklmnop
abcdefghijklmnopq
abcdefghijklmnopqr

NONE SHALL PASS!
I am Arthur, King of the Britains, and I command you to move aside!
I MOVE...
FOR NO MAN!
- Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 01:34:31 pm

two
three
four
five
six
seven
eight
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 01:35:31 pm
abcdefghijklmn Yes
abcdefghijklmno Yes
abcdefghijklmnop Yes
abcdefghijklmnopq Yes
abcdefghijklmnopqr Yes

NONE SHALL PASS!  Yes
I am Arthur, King of the Britains, and I command you to move aside!  Yes
I MOVE...  No
FOR NO MAN! No
- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No

two Yes
three Yes
four Yes
five Yes
six Yes
seven Yes
eight Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 01:38:37 pm
confirm, please:

give insight
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 01:39:46 pm
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 02:08:04 pm
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

That was going to be my guess!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 02:09:59 pm
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

That was going to be my guess!

But wait:

- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 02:11:37 pm
- two
two -
two?
two!
two two
two. two
two. two.

Maybe:
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out) AND start with a letter.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 02:12:58 pm
- Constance Contraire Yes

Nope, starting with a letter not required.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 02:13:53 pm
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

Correct!

Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

That was going to be my guess!

But wait:

- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No


That doesn't contain an "e" (ruling out one, three, five, seven, eight, nine, zero), no "w" for two, no "f" for four, no "x" for six.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 02:14:30 pm
Quote fail.

Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

That was going to be my guess!

But wait:

- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No


That doesn't contain an "e" (ruling out one, three, five, seven, eight, nine, zero), no "w" for two, no "f" for four, no "x" for six.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 02:14:59 pm
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

Correct!

Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

That was going to be my guess!

But wait:

- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No


That doesn't contain an "e" (ruling out one, three, five, seven, eight, nine, zero), no "w" for two, no "f" for four, no "x" for six.

^^^
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 02:16:19 pm

- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 02:17:14 pm
Aw man, your quote fail made my quote fail...


- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No


That doesn't contain an "e" (ruling out one, three, five, seven, eight, nine, zero), no "w" for two, no "f" for four, no "x" for six.

ppe 1, yeah, that!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:21:10 pm
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

That was going to be my guess!

I, too, felt robbed last round :'(
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:21:21 pm
I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scolapasta on July 01, 2020, 02:24:04 pm
Guess: the word needs to contain all letters of at least one number (spelled out)

That was going to be my guess!

I, too, felt robbed last round :'(

Good pont.
Plus
you have a rule
and
I can't be mad
since you
thought
my
last
rule
was
cool
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 01, 2020, 02:27:08 pm

- Monty Python and the Holy Grail No

Ah, crap, my bad.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:31:32 pm
Good pont. yes
Plus yes
you have a rule yes
and yes
I can't be mad yes
since you yes
thought yes
my no
last yes
rule yes
was yes
cool yes

Ah, crap, my bad. yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 01, 2020, 02:34:24 pm
guess: everything is yes, except the "my" string.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:34:56 pm
guess: everything is yes, except the "my" string.

Correct!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:35:10 pm
jk no
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 02:36:16 pm
lazy.
but
might
be
true.

PPE:
dammit
silverspawn
I
deleted
this
post
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 01, 2020, 02:37:00 pm
I also love that we got the new page, keeping the suspense.

also

yo
you
myre
mire
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:40:27 pm
I also love that we got the new page, keeping the suspense. yes

also yes

yo yes
you yes
myre yes
mire yes

lazy. yes
but yes
might yes
be yes
true. yes

PPE: yes
dammit yes
silverspawn yes
I no
deleted yes
this no
post yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 02:42:22 pm
thisthisthisthisthisthis
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:43:03 pm
thisthisthisthisthisthis no
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 01, 2020, 02:47:52 pm
why?
pi?
pie?
firefly?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 01, 2020, 02:52:13 pm
why? no
pi? yes
pie? yes
firefly? yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 01, 2020, 06:16:31 pm
also this
My, my.
My oh my.
My my my my my my my my
Mine
Is "my" even a real word any more?
Umbrella
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 01, 2020, 06:17:42 pm
a
b
c
d
e
f
g
h
i
j
k
l
m
n
o
p
q
r
s
t
u
v
w
x
y
z

sorry
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 01, 2020, 06:18:40 pm
apology
accepted
(by
me,
anyway)
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 02, 2020, 03:29:37 am
also this no
My, my. yes
My oh my. no
My my my my my my my my yes
Mine no
Is "my" even a real word any more? no
Umbrella no

a no
b no
c yes
d no
e no
f yes
g no
h yes
i yes
j yes
k yes
l yes
m yes
n yes
o no
p no
q no
r yes
s yes
t yes
u yes
v yes
w yes
x yes
y yes
z yes

sorry no

apology no
accepted no
(by no
me, no
anyway) no
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 02, 2020, 03:32:04 am
OH WAIT IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND OUPS.

Sorry! I inverted the rule. Only in the last post. My bad. The answers should all be flipped.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 02, 2020, 03:38:33 am
Here is the correct one: :-[

also this yes
My, my. no
My oh my. yes
My my my my my my my my no
Mine yes
Is "my" even a real word any more? yes
Umbrella yes

a yes
b yes
c no
d yes
e yes
f no
g yes
h no
i no
j no
k no
l no
m no
n no
o yes
p yes
q yes
r no
s no
t no
u no
v no
w no
x no
y no
z no

sorry yes

apology yes
accepted yes
(by yes
me, yes
anyway) yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 02, 2020, 07:14:59 am
Guess: it should contain a letter that has a hole in it, like b, a, o, etc
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 02, 2020, 07:33:24 am
Guess: it should contain a topological subspace that is homeomorphic to the circle

Correct!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 02, 2020, 07:35:20 am
I have it on good authority that a component you can look out of is the most powerful thing in Dominion Zendo Questions
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 02, 2020, 10:40:50 am
Guess: it should contain a topological subspace that is homeomorphic to the circle

So
B
would have been no, but
b
would have been yes. Interesting.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 02, 2020, 11:22:34 am
I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 02, 2020, 11:29:11 am
Life before Death
Strength before Weakness
Journey before Destination

The Knights Radiant must stand again
right?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 02, 2020, 11:53:14 am
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
The
answer
is
blowing
in
the
wind
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 02, 2020, 11:54:24 am
Keep
Knights
Radiant
Down!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 02, 2020, 01:34:20 pm
Life before Death Yes
Strength before Weakness Yes
Journey before Destination Yes

The Knights Radiant must stand again Yes
right? No

The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Yes
The Yes
answer Yes
is No
blowing Yes
in Yes
the Yes
wind Yes

Keep No
Knights Yes
Radiant Yes
Down! No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 02, 2020, 01:48:47 pm
s
n
si
ni
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 02, 2020, 01:52:07 pm
s No
n No
si Yes
ni Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 02, 2020, 04:04:15 pm
peek
thgir
nwod
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 02, 2020, 05:02:52 pm
peek No
thgir Yes
nwod No

Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 02, 2020, 05:03:54 pm
htgir
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 02, 2020, 06:19:38 pm
htgir Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 02, 2020, 06:26:12 pm
(some of these will be repeated, but I want them all next to each other)

right
rigth
rihgt
rihtg
ritgh
rithg
rgith
rgiht
rghti
rghit
rgthi
rgtih
rhigt
rhitg
rhgit
rhgti
rhtig
rhtgi
rtihg
rtigh
rtghi
rtgih
rthgi
rthig
irtgh
irthg
irgth
irght
irhtg
irhgt
igthr
igtrh
igrht
igrth
ighrt
ightr
ihtrg
ihtgr
ihrtg
ihrgt
ihgtr
ihgrt
ithgr
ithrg
itrgh
itrhg
itgrh
itghr
grhti
grhit
grthi
grtih
griht
grith
gihrt
gihtr
gitrh
githr
girth
girht
ghitr
ghirt
ghtir
ghtri
ghrit
ghrti
gtirh
gtihr
gthri
gthir
gtrhi
gtrih
hrigt
hritg
hrgit
hrgti
hrtig
hrtgi
hirtg
hirgt
higtr
higrt
hitgr
hitrg
hgrit
hgrti
hgirt
hgitr
hgtri
hgtir
htrgi
htrig
htigr
htirg
htgir
htgri
trhig
trhgi
trihg
trigh
trghi
trgih
tihgr
tihrg
tirgh
tirhg
tigrh
tighr
tghri
tghir
tgrhi
tgrih
tgihr
tgirh
thgir
thgri
thrig
thrgi
thirg
thigr
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: mail-mi on July 02, 2020, 06:31:10 pm
that's
cruel,
sudgy.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 02, 2020, 06:41:47 pm
that's
cruel,
sudgy.

But
won't
it
be
helpful?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 02, 2020, 06:42:39 pm
And I realized, by repeated, I meant from earlier questions.  Everything I said in that post was unique.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 02, 2020, 08:21:10 pm
Couldn't you have tried it with a four letter word first?
120
is a lot more
than 24.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 02, 2020, 08:47:56 pm
five
times
more
to be
exact
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 03, 2020, 03:07:02 am
right No
rigth Yes
rihgt Yes
rihtg No
ritgh No
rithg Yes
rgith Yes
rgiht Yes
rghti Yes
rghit Yes
rgthi Yes
rgtih Yes
rhigt Yes
rhitg Yes
rhgit Yes
rhgti Yes
rhtig Yes
rhtgi Yes
rtihg Yes
rtigh Yes
rtghi No
rtgih No
rthgi Yes
rthig Yes
irtgh Yes
irthg Yes
irgth Yes
irght Yes
irhtg Yes
irhgt Yes
igthr Yes
igtrh Yes
igrht Yes
igrth Yes
ighrt No
ightr No
ihtrg Yes
ihtgr No
ihrtg No
ihrgt Yes
ihgtr Yes
ihgrt Yes
ithgr Yes
ithrg Yes
itrgh Yes
itrhg Yes
itgrh Yes
itghr No
grhti Yes
grhit Yes
grthi Yes
grtih Yes
griht No
grith Yes
gihrt No
gihtr No
gitrh Yes
githr Yes
girth Yes
girht Yes
ghitr No
ghirt Yes
ghtir Yes
ghtri No
ghrit No
ghrti Yes
gtirh Yes
gtihr Yes
gthri Yes
gthir Yes
gtrhi Yes
gtrih No
hrigt No
hritg No
hrgit Yes
hrgti Yes
hrtig Yes
hrtgi Yes
hirtg Yes
hirgt Yes
higtr No
higrt No
hitgr No
hitrg Yes
hgrit Yes
hgrti Yes
hgirt Yes
hgitr Yes
hgtri Yes
hgtir Yes
htrgi Yes
htrig No
htigr Yes
htirg Yes
htgir Yes
htgri No
trhig Yes
trhgi Yes
trihg Yes
trigh No
trghi Yes
trgih Yes
tihgr Yes
tihrg Yes
tirgh Yes
tirhg Yes
tigrh Yes
tighr Yes
tghri No
tghir Yes
tgrhi Yes
tgrih No
tgihr No
tgirh Yes
thgir Yes
thgri Yes
thrig Yes
thrgi Yes
thirg Yes
thigr Yes

that's Yes
cruel, Yes
sudgy. No

But No
won't No
it No
be Yes
helpful? Yes

And I realized, by repeated, I meant from earlier questions.  Everything I said in that post was unique.  Yes

Couldn't you have tried it with a four letter word first? Yes
120 No
is a lot more Yes
than 24. Yes

five No
times Yes
more Yes
to be Yes
exact Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 03, 2020, 03:53:02 pm
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
0
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 03, 2020, 04:58:47 pm
1 No
2 No
3 No
4 No
5 No
6 No
7 No
8 No
9 No
0 No
10 No
11 No
12 No
13 No
14 No
15 No
16 No
17 No
18 No
19 No
20 No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 04, 2020, 07:36:54 pm
Well thatís pretty definitive about that then
!
?
&
$&@!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 05, 2020, 05:29:57 am
Well thatís pretty definitive about that then Yes
! No
? No
& No
$&@! No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 02:33:21 am
bump?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: silverspawn on July 08, 2020, 03:44:12 am
I was just going to sit out one round...
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 11:25:55 am
I was just going to sit out one round... Yes
 
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 08, 2020, 12:14:52 pm
Let's try it with a four letter word

scum
scmu
smcu
smuc
sumc
sucm
cums
cusm
cmus
cmsu
csmu
csum
umsc
umcs
usmc
uscm
ucms
ucsm
musc
mucs
mcus
mcsu
msuc
mscu

and a 3-letter one

pie
pei
ipe
iep
epi
eip

and a 2-letter one

my
ym
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 04:43:48 pm
Let's try it with a four letter word Yes

scum Yes
scmu Yes
smcu Yes
smuc Yes
sumc Yes
sucm Yes
cums Yes
cusm Yes
cmus Yes
cmsu Yes
csmu Yes
csum Yes
umsc Yes
umcs Yes
usmc Yes
uscm Yes
ucms Yes
ucsm Yes
musc Yes
mucs Yes
mcus Yes
mcsu Yes
msuc No
mscu Yes

and a 3-letter one

pie No
pei No
ipe No
iep No
epi No
eip No

and a 2-letter one

my No
ym No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 08, 2020, 04:45:54 pm
What

music
imsuc
misuc
msiuc
msuic
msuci
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 04:51:42 pm
What Yes

music Yes
imsuc No
misuc No
msiuc Yes
msuic No
msuci No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 04:53:08 pm
I am sorry, I had no idea this would be hard Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 04:54:24 pm
I sorry, I had idea would No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 08, 2020, 04:54:51 pm
why is this so complicated

msauc
msbuc
mscuc
msduc
mseuc
msfuc
msguc
mshuc

msjuc
mskuc
msluc
msmuc
msnuc
msouc
mspuc
msquc
msruc
mssuc
mstuc
msuuc
msvuc
mswuc
msxuc
msyuc
mszuc

I am sorry, I had no idea this would be hard Yes

Maybe it's more simple than these examples make it appear

Regardless we're clearly in the wrong track, although this is a one-size-fits-all way of getting to the rule so we'll get there eventually.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 05:00:41 pm
why is this so complicated Yes

msauc Yes
msbuc Yes
mscuc Yes
msduc No
mseuc Yes
msfuc No
msguc Yes
mshuc No

msjuc No
mskuc No
msluc Yes
msmuc Yes
msnuc Yes
msouc No
mspuc Yes
msquc No
msruc Yes
mssuc No
mstuc No
msuuc No
msvuc No
mswuc No
msxuc No
msyuc No
mszuc No

I am sorry, I had no idea this would be hard Yes

Maybe it's more simple than these examples make it appear Yes

Regardless we're clearly in the wrong track, although this is a one-size-fits-all way of getting to the rule so we'll get there eventually. Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 08, 2020, 05:51:17 pm
am no this hard
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 06:18:18 pm
am no this hard Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 08, 2020, 06:20:40 pm
am no this be hard
am
no
this
be
hard

amsuc
bmsuc
cmsuc
dmsuc
emsuc
fmsuc
gmsuc
hmsuc

jmsuc
kmsuc
lmsuc
mmsuc
nmsuc
omsuc
pmsuc
qmsuc
rmsuc
smsuc
tmsuc
umsuc
vmsuc
wmsuc
xmsuc
ymsuc
zmsuc

abc
acb
bac
bca
cab
cba
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 08, 2020, 06:26:03 pm
am no this be hard Yes
am Yes
no No
this Yes
be Yes
hard Yes

amsuc Yes
bmsuc No
cmsuc Yes
dmsuc No
emsuc No
fmsuc Yes
gmsuc No
hmsuc No

jmsuc No
kmsuc No
lmsuc No
mmsuc No
nmsuc No
omsuc No
pmsuc Yes
qmsuc No
rmsuc No
smsuc Yes
tmsuc Yes
umsuc No
vmsuc No
wmsuc No
xmsuc No
ymsuc No
zmsuc No

abc No
acb Yes
bac Yes
bca Yes
cab Yes
cba Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on July 08, 2020, 07:41:07 pm
Ok, does anyone have any ideas they're just trying to refine or something, because I have no idea.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 08, 2020, 07:49:35 pm
Ok, does anyone have any ideas they're just trying to refine or something, because I have no idea.

I'm completely lost and will revert to treating letters as numbers once I get around confirming there's no pattern.

But overall order matters, and that's always the hard part. Also feels like every letter works, so most likely some weird formula that takes every letter (and only letters?) into account.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 08, 2020, 08:31:04 pm
I sorry, I had idea would am
I sorry, I had idea would no
I sorry, I had idea would this
I sorry, I had idea would be
I sorry, I had idea would hard

a
b
c
d
e
f
g
h
i
j
k
l
m
n
o
p
q
r
s
t
u
v
w
x
y
z
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on July 08, 2020, 08:32:29 pm
Ok, does anyone have any ideas they're just trying to refine or something, because I have no idea.

I'm completely lost and will revert to treating letters as numbers once I get around confirming there's no pattern.

But overall order matters, and that's always the hard part. Also feels like every letter works, so most likely some weird formula that takes every letter (and only letters?) into account.

Right, and I've done some of that too,
but the abc no every other combo yes
is messing with any ideas I've had
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 08, 2020, 09:41:52 pm
I am completely lost too.
But I think that question will return yes.
And so will this one.

msua
msub

msud
msue
msuf
msug
msuh
msui
msuj
msuk
msul
msum
msun
msuo
msup
msuq
msur
msus
msut
msuu
msuv
msuw
msux
msuy
msuz
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 08, 2020, 11:03:58 pm
bcd
bdc
cbd
cdb
dbc
dcb

cde
ced
dce
dec
ecd
edc

ace
aec
cae
cea
eac
eca
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 09, 2020, 02:58:52 am
Ok, does anyone have any ideas they're just trying to refine or something, because I have no idea. Yes

I'm completely lost and will revert to treating letters as numbers once I get around confirming there's no pattern. Yes

But overall order matters, and that's always the hard part. Also feels like every letter works, so most likely some weird formula that takes every letter (and only letters?) into account. Yes

I sorry, I had idea would am Yes
I sorry, I had idea would no Yes
I sorry, I had idea would this Yes
I sorry, I had idea would be Yes
I sorry, I had idea would hard Yes

a No
b No
c No
d No
e No
f No
g No
h No
i No
j No
k No
l No
m No
n No
o No
p No
q No
r No
s No
t No
u No
v No
w No
x No
y No
z No

Right, and I've done some of that too, Yes
but the abc no every other combo yes Yes
is messing with any ideas I've had Yes

I am completely lost too. Yes
But I think that question will return yes. Yes
And so will this one. Yes

msua No
msub No

msud No
msue No
msuf No
msug No
msuh No
msui No
msuj No
msuk No
msul No
msum No
msun No
msuo No
msup No
msuq No
msur No
msus No
msut No
msuu No
msuv No
msuw No
msux No
msuy No
msuz No

bcd Yes
bdc No
cbd No
cdb Yes
dbc Yes
dcb No

cde Yes
ced Yes
dce Yes
dec No
ecd Yes
edc No

ace Yes
aec No
cae Yes
cea Yes
eac Yes
eca Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 09, 2020, 03:00:24 am
maybe, just maybe this is a bit harder than I thought it would be. I could give hints?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 09, 2020, 03:13:47 am
alright, I can give a hint in spoilers: I drew an inspiration for the rule from the nickname of one of the players.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 09, 2020, 05:39:00 am
cm
fm
pm
sm
tm
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 09, 2020, 09:13:03 am
cm Yes
fm Yes
pm Yes
sm Yes
tm Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 11:51:23 am
Haven't checked that this works everywhere in all of the already answered ones, but

Guess: The question must contain a two-letter abbreviation for an element.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 09, 2020, 11:55:29 am
Haven't checked that this works everywhere in all of the already answered ones, but

Guess: The question must contain a two-letter abbreviation for an element.

And this is correct!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 12:12:05 pm
I have a rule
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 09, 2020, 12:23:59 pm
a
aa
aaa
apple
banana
cherry
two apples
three apples
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 12:29:56 pm
a No
aa Yes
aaa No
apple Yes
banana No
cherry No
two apples No
three apples No
the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: hhelibebcnofnena on July 09, 2020, 12:31:08 pm
Haven't checked that this works everywhere in all of the already answered ones, but

Guess: The question must contain a two-letter abbreviation for an element.

And this is correct!

Come on! I should have guessed this. I've even done a very similar rule myself in the past, just before the long break in this thread! I guess I understand now why that one was so hard. I was at least getting close, I think.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 09, 2020, 12:45:09 pm
apple pie?
would you like some apple pie?
let's all eat apple pie together
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 09, 2020, 12:48:51 pm
Guess: Taking a=1, b=2, ..., z=26, summing the value of letters in the question, return yes iff. the total value is even.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: LaLight on July 09, 2020, 01:27:05 pm
Haven't checked that this works everywhere in all of the already answered ones, but

Guess: The question must contain a two-letter abbreviation for an element.

And this is correct!

Come on! I should have guessed this. I've even done a very similar rule myself in the past, just before the long break in this thread! I guess I understand now why that one was so hard. I was at least getting close, I think.

yeah! I looked at your nickname and immediately came up with that :D
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 01:34:21 pm
Come on! I should have guessed this. I've even done a very similar rule myself in the past, just before the long break in this thread! I guess I understand now why that one was so hard. I was at least getting close, I think. No

apple pie? No
would you like some apple pie? Yes
let's all eat apple pie together Yes

yeah! I looked at your nickname and immediately came up with that :D Yes

Guess: Taking a=1, b=2, ..., z=26, summing the value of letters in the question, return yes iff. the total value is even.

Wrong, see joth's apple pie question
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 09, 2020, 01:36:17 pm
aaaa
aaaaa
aaaaaa
aaaaaaa
aaaaaaaa
aaaaaaaaa

appleapple
appleappleapple
appleappleappleapple
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 09, 2020, 03:25:22 pm
pineapple
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 03:56:43 pm
aaaa Yes
aaaaa No
aaaaaa Yes
aaaaaaa No
aaaaaaaa Yes
aaaaaaaaa No

appleapple Yes
appleappleapple Yes
appleappleappleapple Yes

pineapple Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 09, 2020, 06:15:09 pm
b
bb
bbb
bbbb
bbbbb

bananabanana
bananabananabanana
bananabananabananabanana
bananabananabananabananabanana

cherrycherry
cherrycherrycherry
cherrycherrycherrycherry
cherrycherrycherrycherrycherry

apple pie apple pie
apple pie apple pie apple pie
apple pie apple pie apple pie apple pie
apple pie apple pie apple pie apple pie apple pie
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 09, 2020, 07:49:25 pm
aple
apleaple

aple pie
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 09, 2020, 07:51:49 pm
Guess: If the most frequently occurring letter occurs an even  number of times, yes. If it appears an odd number of times no.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 09, 2020, 08:03:36 pm
Guess: If the most frequently occurring letter occurs an even  number of times, yes. If it appears an odd number of times no.

I thought the same thing, but:

pineapple Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 08:54:44 pm
b Yes
bb Yes
bbb Yes
bbbb Yes
bbbbb Yes

bananabanana Yes
bananabananabanana No
bananabananabananabanana Yes
bananabananabananabananabanana No

cherrycherry Yes
cherrycherrycherry No
cherrycherrycherrycherry Yes
cherrycherrycherrycherrycherry No

apple pie apple pie Yes
apple pie apple pie apple pie Yes
apple pie apple pie apple pie apple pie Yes
apple pie apple pie apple pie apple pie apple pie Yes

aple Yes
apleaple Yes

aple pie Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 09, 2020, 08:59:17 pm
apple pie
c
cc
d
dd
e
ee
f
ff
g
gg
h
hh
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 09:01:44 pm
apple pie Yes
c No
cc Yes
d Yes
dd Yes
e No
ee Yes
f Yes
ff Yes
g No
gg Yes
h Yes
hh Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 09, 2020, 09:12:49 pm
!
!!
@
@@
#
##
$
$$
%
%%
^
^^
&
&&
*
**
(
((
)
))
?
??
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 09:26:00 pm
! No
!! Yes
@ Yes
@@ Yes
# No
## Yes
$ Yes
$$ Yes
% No
%% Yes
^ Yes
^^ Yes
& Yes
&& Yes
* Yes
** Yes
( Yes
(( Yes
) No
)) Yes
? No
?? Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 09, 2020, 09:42:10 pm
Guess: Return yes iff. the sum of the ASCII values of all characters is even.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: sudgy on July 09, 2020, 10:26:08 pm
Guess: Return yes iff. the sum of the ASCII values of all characters is even.

Correct!  I felt bad after your first guess.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 09, 2020, 10:49:08 pm
Guess: Return yes iff. the sum of the ASCII values of all characters is even.

Correct!  I felt bad after your first guess.

Haha, no worries, I got there eventually.

I have a rule.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 10, 2020, 12:59:50 am
Guess: Return yes iff. the sum of the ASCII values of all characters is even.

Correct!  I felt bad after your first guess.
Aww, I was gonna guess that too, lol. I was pretty sure you were onto something with that first guess!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: bitwise on July 10, 2020, 01:15:19 am
Guessing time
avocado
brussels sprouts
cauliflower
donut
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 10, 2020, 01:30:12 am
Guessing time No
avocado No
brussels sprouts No
cauliflower No
donut No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 10, 2020, 01:00:56 pm
Guess: It's just always no
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 10, 2020, 01:09:27 pm
Guess: It's just always no

Incorrect, here is a counterexample:

green beans Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: jotheonah on July 10, 2020, 01:15:56 pm
Guess: Everything returns no except "green beans"

jk

I'm hilarious
here are some more words
so we can get a better handle on the rule
la la la la
Star Wars
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 10, 2020, 01:25:27 pm
Guess: Everything returns no except "green beans" Yes

jk No

I'm hilarious Yes
here are some more words No
so we can get a better handle on the rule Yes
la la la la No
Star Wars No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 14, 2020, 06:26:01 pm
Has everyone given up on this game? Yes
 :'(
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on July 14, 2020, 06:32:36 pm
Mobile
Only
Is
Very
Sad.

Jelly
Elope
Track
Wait
Zephyr
Mango
Nurture
Pain
Help me
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on July 14, 2020, 07:12:53 pm
Mobile No
Only No
Is No
Very No
Sad. No

Jelly Yes
Elope Yes
Track No
Wait No
Zephyr No
Mango No
Nurture No
Pain No
Help me No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 16, 2020, 04:23:38 am
Guess: Yes <=> Contains a word which contains a letter whose position in the alphabet equals the word length
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: scott_pilgrim on September 16, 2020, 11:02:03 am
Guess: Yes <=> Contains a word which contains a letter whose position in the alphabet equals the word length

Correct!
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 16, 2020, 03:40:10 pm
I have a rule

And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometime.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: Dylan32 on September 17, 2020, 06:52:45 pm
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometime.
And
I
might
get
round
to
updating
the
potsts
at
the start
of the
thread
sometime.
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on September 17, 2020, 06:53:50 pm
Oh yeah this got necro'd
Thanks thief!
So...
What did you come with?
Is it
fun
or
annoying
?
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 18, 2020, 03:56:32 am
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometime. Yes
And No
I No
might No
get No
round No
to No
updating No
the No
potsts No
at No
the start No
of the No
thread No
sometime. No

Oh yeah this got necro'd No
Thanks thief! No
So... No
What did you come with? No
Is it No
fun No
or No
annoying No
? No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on September 18, 2020, 04:33:22 am
And I might
get round to
updating the posts
at the start
of the thread
And might round updating posts the of thread
I get to the at start the sometime
sometime thread the of start the at posts the updating to round get might I And
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometimes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 18, 2020, 04:46:06 am
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometime. Yes
And No
I No
might No
get No
round No
to No
updating No
the No
potsts No
at No
the start No
of the No
thread No
sometime. No

Oh yeah this got necro'd No
Thanks thief! No
So... No
What did you come with? No
Is it No
fun No
or No
annoying No
? No

And I might No
get round to No
updating the posts Yes
at the start No
of the thread No
And might round updating posts the of thread Yes
I get to the at start the sometime Yes
sometime thread the of start the at posts the updating to round get might I And Yes
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometimes Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on September 18, 2020, 04:52:32 am
posts
updating posts
start the sometime
updating the stsop
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 18, 2020, 06:56:05 am
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometime. Yes
And No
I No
might No
get No
round No
to No
updating No
the No
potsts No
at No
the start No
of the No
thread No
sometime. No

Oh yeah this got necro'd No
Thanks thief! No
So... No
What did you come with? No
Is it No
fun No
or No
annoying No
? No

And I might No
get round to No
updating the posts Yes
at the start No
of the thread No
And might round updating posts the of thread Yes
I get to the at start the sometime Yes
sometime thread the of start the at posts the updating to round get might I And Yes
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometimes Yes

posts No
updating posts No
start the sometime Yes
updating the stsop Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on September 18, 2020, 11:58:32 am
tthhee
thethe
the the
the the the

updating the
the posts
start the
the sometime

start sometime
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 18, 2020, 12:01:16 pm
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometime. Yes
And No
I No
might No
get No
round No
to No
updating No
the No
potsts No
at No
the start No
of the No
thread No
sometime. No

Oh yeah this got necro'd No
Thanks thief! No
So... No
What did you come with? No
Is it No
fun No
or No
annoying No
? No

And I might No
get round to No
updating the posts Yes
at the start No
of the thread No
And might round updating posts the of thread Yes
I get to the at start the sometime Yes
sometime thread the of start the at posts the updating to round get might I And Yes
And I might get round to updating the posts at the start of the thread sometimes Yes

posts No
updating posts No
start the sometime Yes
updating the stsop Yes

tthhee No
thethe No
the the No
the the the No

updating the Yes
the posts No
start the No
the sometime Yes

start sometime No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on September 18, 2020, 12:11:27 pm
two eighteen
eighteen two
som etimethe
upd atingthe
eht gnitadpu
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 20, 2020, 02:20:49 am
two eighteen Yes
eighteen two Yes
som etimethe Yes
upd atingthe Yes
eht gnitadpu Yes
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on September 20, 2020, 05:51:05 am
Well then.

333 1
333 22
333 333
333 4444
333 55555
333 666666
333 7777777
333 88888888
333 999999999

333 88888888 1
333 88888888 22
333 88888888 333
333 88888888 4444
333 88888888 55555
333 88888888 666666
333 88888888 7777777
333 88888888 88888888
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 20, 2020, 03:21:17 pm
Well then. No

333 1 No
333 22 No
333 333 No
333 4444 No
333 55555 No
333 666666 No
333 7777777 No
333 88888888 No
333 999999999 No

333 88888888 1 No
333 88888888 22 No
333 88888888 333 No
333 88888888 4444 No
333 88888888 55555 No
333 88888888 666666 No
333 88888888 7777777 No
333 88888888 88888888 No
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: MiX on September 20, 2020, 03:23:23 pm
two eightee
two eighte
two eight
two eigh
two eig
two ei
two e
two

wo eighteen
o eighteen
eighteen
ighteen
ghteen
hteen
teen
een
en

ten
Title: Re: Zendo Questions 2
Post by: infangthief on September 21, 2020, 03:40:56 am
two eightee No
two eighte No
two eight No
two eigh No
two eig No
two ei No
two e No
two No

wo eighteen Yes
o eighteen Yes
eighteen No
ighteen No
ghteen No
hteen No
teen No
een No
en No

ten No